That part of David's story is downplayed HARD compared to the rest of this life. Just saying. The version I learned was essentially "whoops he done goofed lol" as we spent not even 15 minutes on it. The story of him vs Goliath was several classes long.
Bang on. I’m a Christian, this has been taught in my church plenty of times. That’s the point of the story, he committed murder and adultery but he repented but it had ramifications that went through his genealogy just like God told him. Because of that transgression one of his sons raped one of his daughters to another wife and then his own son Absolom rose up to rebel and try and take his kingdom.
The Bible does not condone slavery. What is termed slavery in the Old Testament is indebted servitude and on the year of Jubilee they were all set free unless they chose to remain. It was a way of paying debts that couldn’t otherwise be paid.
Yeah, it's not a secret.It's in the "book of truth" that nobody reads. She didn't say That it was a secret. She said nobody knows about it because nobody reads it.... Because other people just tell them what are supposed to think about it.
Imagine how much better the Bible would be if Stephen King or Arthur Machen wrote it. Machen was a mystic after all and I believe was actually a Christian, but one of those cool "gothic" Victorian (Welsh) Christians.
That's what it is! I used to love those books. I remembered the artwork right away. Can't remember the story, but I know I used to have those books and would scare the sh!t out of myself as a kid at night.
There’s another story in the Bible that people never talk about that’s really dark It’s about a man who does everything right, spends his life doing nothing but helping people, then he gets betrayed by his best friend, denied by other friends, he gets beaten severely, by people he was trying to save, and then he gets crucified and even his own father, that could of easily saved him, forsakes him in his very last minutes of his life The guy that went through that, accepted all that torture, for a bunch of people who didn’t even exist yet
My Savior prayed to the Father: “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word” Lord Jesus, “for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
@@jordandavis4318 good comeback man😂 People would only see the surface for these stories but doesn't understand that David truly repented for his sins and asked God for forgiveness. God is Almighty and Holy, so does what he sees fit because God has never committed a sin and is our creator
Yep. Then you have Solomon who was the wisest man to date. He did many great things including building the temple. Despite his wisdom, however, he was persuaded by his wife to worship idols. The Old Testament is a series of lessons and failures. The failures lead to the flood and eventually the Savior. Everyone will know, one way or another.
If you are really nerdy that David story is a replaying of the garden of Eden pay attention to the words used. "David SAW, David Took, David hid... etc etc..." but if you are interested in stuff like that go deep in the meaning of the stories I highly recommend the bible project podcasts. They uncover the bible in a way that makes sense when you sit to think about it.
Thank you. I thought that maybe she was making a joke about this or something. I have probably forgotten a lot of the things I knew when I was a bible classes goer (as a kid) but even I remember King David’s story and the stories surrounding Jacob and his near descendants. 😂
These stories have so many lessons embeddee for the reader. We are supposed to realize things like the idea that David is an extremely flawed man, and yet God loves him. We, too, can be loved by God, despite our flaws.
Was going to say we teach this regularly. I mean it's a great story. It teaches even the greatest person of God can fall and give in to temptation ruining all of the good works and deeds they made.
The fact that she talks about the story of david And Bathsheba, and says this is not a story that is taught shows that this woman isn not well informed. The story may not be taught to younger childeren, but as a teen and and young adult it absolutely is.
Well if it is not taught in “Sunday School” and it most likely is not spoken about in great detail at the Pulpit, I guess that leaves Adult Bible Study on Wednesday nights…?
You're named "David" though, right? Doesn't that at the very least indicate you might be more well informed about your name's historicity, or for that matter know more of the story of "David" than the common "believer"? What is your specific faith/denomination/nationality, if you don't mind me asking? I would argue the answer to any of my questions would likely reveal why you think what you're saying is true.
The Bible says people push the truth away because they love their sin too much. It also says, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'" Deep down, people know there is a God, but they also know to acknowledge God would mean there would be moral accountability. People don't want that.
Absolutely because we all have a measure of faith that can move mountains. We're having the breath of God inside me like he does. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
Or it could be that the facts and the evidence isn’t sufficient enough to prove the existence of god and that its really not that evil to do very natural human things (provided nobody gets hurt)
I can't believe we're still debating the validity of some parts of the Bible. See that's the problem. The bible has moments of historically accurate stories. But when the authors tell me these are gods words I gotta laugh. Do you guys really think God was ok with slaves? Do you think God really explained how to justify you owning humans? How about this. Show me something in the bible that exceeds the knowledge of the people when it was written. I'll wait
"A lot of it is tedious history". "There's a lot that contradicts itself" These are not the words of someone who understands the full story of the Bible.
@mary_puffin there are books like Numbers Deuteronomy Kings and Queens that are pretty hard to stay awake to especially if your cross referencing with a guide or different translation. Numbers teaches accounting to say the least, like if u understand it fully ur supposedly will be good at finances. Queens is very very violent with Pikings for minute reasons but teaches discernment and tolerance which is like foreshadowing to Salamon sparing a child from being chopped in half in later books. Obviously some books are more captivating to other but if u get through the old testament it'll give you a clear understanding of the new testament since ur goin into it understanding no one's who's died in the previous books went to heaven and life isn't fair and God is VERY jealous and vengeful. So it contradicts the loving narrative because we perceive love differently than a being that loves the population's existence as a whole to the point a Merciful God means hes merciful to inflicting wrath cus He could just send u to hell or kill off your family by natural causes while making you live hundreds of years long to experience it (Book of Job). By New Testament Jesus is fulfilling previous prophecies so there are a lot of call backs then he dies opening the gates of heaven. One of the main things ur suppose to understand from the books is that government policy and technology will change but human nature and psychology remains the same, so it teaches you how to protect and defend yourself against being manipulated.
The fact that the imperfections of the people of God are on full display throughout the Bible is one of the most compelling things about it. Clearly not hiding anything.
✝️🙌 So true! I think it's about loyalty in the end. Living the Christian life has never been easy, but knowing who you serve is. Both of those Old Testament examples were under a different dispensation predating Christ of course. But still, imperfect people through the ages, trying to walk the walk and serve God is what it's all about.
Actually, most churches do not shy away from those stories, at all, especially the story of David and Uriah. That's why religious folk will name their kids Uriah, and they become MMA fighters.
some big discrepancies in the telling of the story of Tamar. After Judah lost his second son. His last son wasn't given to Tamar for two reasons, one, he was too young and the second is because Judah was afraid he might loose his last son. So he didn't promise Tamar that she will be the wife of his last son for these two reasons and not the one reason mentioned in the video. Tamar went back to her home as instructed by Judah, again that is all that Judah does, he instructs her to go and wait at her fathers house. Tamar while at her fathers home wore cloths that is synonyms for someone who is a widow and grieving. She finds out that Judah is coming to where her fathers home is because he wants to sheer his sheep, upon hearing this Tamar has a plan. She knows that she isn't pledged to Judah's last son and she wants to take it upon herself to get pregnant. So she takes for cloths that are meant for grieving and switches them for cloths that is synonyms for a prostitute at that time. Main point here is that she is wearing a head veil and as such no one can see her face. Judah walks into this town/village and sees this prostitute who is wearing a veil and he asks to sleep with her. This is where the video goes off the rails. She asks Judah what she will get in return for sleeping with him and she knows that this is her father in law and he doesn't know who she is. He says he will give her one of his sheep in his village/camp. Judah isn't at his camp/village, so this is supposed to be a promise for future payment. She asks him for a guarantee for this payment. He asks what she wants and she says she wants a seal with his cord and his staff. He agrees and he sleeps with her. Judah didn't sleep with her and not have payment, they discussed how Judah will pay her and she played him in this part of the story. Tamar isn't this poor innocent person and neither is Judah. So she goes back to her fathers home and switches into her cloths meant for grieving. Judah returns to his camp and sends a friend to pay her but he cannot find her and he returns to Judah and tells him that she cannot be found. He is embarrassed that she has his seal and staff. But he makes peace with the idea that she has stolen it. We all now know that this was Tamar's plan, she didn't want a sheep, she was playing Judah and got proof of the person she slept with. The video made it sound like Tamar became a prostitute because she wanted to make a living. This isn't true, she wanted to get pregnant from sleeping with her father-in-law. Plain and simple. She got pregnant and Judah is told that Tamar is found to be pregnant and the assertion is that she prostituted herself. Judah wants her killed but before she is killed she sends him his staff and seal. Tamar honey potted Judah and got what she felt she deserved. Moral of the story. Men need to keep it in their pants coz women who are just selling sex cannot be trusted. The other moral of the story is do what is right, Judah in his fear doesn't give assurances to Tamar that she will be married off, so when he didn't do that the rest of the story played out as it did. Judah is also the same guy who earlier discouraged his brothers from killing Joseph but instead mentioned to have him sold. Joseph lived and as per what is said in the bible he became the second highest in Egypt and also saved Egypt and his family from starvation. So Judah is seen as someone who loved his family when the rest of them were okay with killing one of them. He isn't perfect but neither is Tamar and all of them played their role.
Well put , also by God's providence Tamar gives Birth to Twins, Perez and Zerah, which from Judas line Comes King David, and ultimately our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, God is Sovereign over all, as Joseph said to his Brother's you meant it for evil but God meant it for good
im confused. Did Tamar had sex with her Father in law or played like she did??? And y he didn't go see Tamar back at her father house after he had sex with the "prosistute"( or he didnt)🤷
Also, it was Judah's duty as the patriarch to ensure his oldest son's lineage continued because he didn't have children before he died. That's why Tamar married his next son. But their first child would've been counted as the oldest son's to ensure his lineage continued. The brother didn't like that and refused to get her pregnant and the Lord killed him. Thus the duty of continuing the Judah's oldest son's lineage fell to his youngest son. This also was the custom so that that the Tamar would be provided for. Most marriages were arranged anyways back then so this wasn't that strange. After Judah's youngest son became of age Judah shirked his duty to both provide for Tamar and ensure his eldest son's lineage out of fear that the Lord would kill that son too. (The Lord struck down his oldest son because he was wicked). What Tamar did was take it apon herself to both provide for herself and ensure her first husband's lineage. So, Tamar and Judah both sinned by fornicating but she did it for somewhat honorable reasons to pick up Judah's slack. So when Judah went to lead the stoning of her for prostituting (with him) she showed that he was lacking in his duties and morals and was more righteous than he.
@@loganwallace5854 a bit mistaken here. His youngest son wasn't of age at any point in this story. Tamar assumed that Jacob wasn't going to allow his youngest to be married to her. This was her reasoning for deceiving Jacob. They were both in the wrong but Jacob says that she was more righteous than him. So the assumption here is that Jacob knew he didn't betroth his youngest son to Tamar as he was afraid he too will be killed. But they both are wrong for what they did. Who knows if Tamar even cared for any of Jacob's children. If she was married to one of them is all she wanted. Key part here is that Jacob's youngest son wasn't of age to get married throughout the story but it is revealed that Jacob's only reason was probably that he was afraid his son would be killed for the same reasons.
@@TheFergo911 When Judah met Tamar and thought she was a prostitute, she saw that the youngest son was grown and wasn't given to her to marry as Judah had promised her. She had her grieving veil own and he came and asked to sleep with her. He acknowledged that he reneged on his promise to to her.
The Bible has a lot of stories about some really messed up people and family dynamics. Why? Because in 2024 there are a lot of messed up people and family dynamics. It proves that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, we all need redemption...
🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
@@rvincent6560🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
extremely edited revision of borrowed stories, good news it's about to edited again to remove the jews killing Jesus and any negative remarks towards jews or things that paint jews in a bad light. identify who you are not allowed to criticize and that's who rules you. cowards.
It's not history 😂it has some history with mythical stories. God isn't real. Maybe you should educate yourself on evolution, the science of human biology, astrology. There's a reason why the majority of scientists are atheists, because they understand the basics of how things work
@@adamryerson2974 The proverb ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ expresses the idea that a small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are, which can lead to mistakes being made.
Listen... Upon character based philosophical and ethical deconstruction, the ONLY conclusion that you can come to is that the bible is SO GROSSLY morally and ethically inconsistent that in truth (and I know this is difficult to hear), it doesn't deserve the moral pedestal that's often thrust upon it... The bible's moral spectrum ranges from murderous baby killing genocide to societal pacifism and everything else in between... You can't depend on that in our modern age without cherry picking scripture to suit YOUR ideals... If both a genocidal maniac and pacifist can use scripture to validate their point of views with so called "Godly approval" then it tells you everything you need to know... The bible is ethically inconsistent and anachronistic, that's a FACT not an opinion... Which is the subtext of the conversation.
Want to hear some great takes on the Bible? The late Dr. Michael Heiser had a lot of fascinating stuff, plenty on youtube. He was an actual expert in ancient languages. Rogan screwed up never havng him as a guest while he was still alive.
Okay, you’ve heard the bogus immoral stories. Not the point. The point is you’re too morally repugnant to disavow the book. The point is not that you know all of the dark stories. Congrats! You are a douche
Also, many people claim to be Christians, but don’t go to church so really only know a few stories, like Isaac and Abraham (which that should be enough to make someone say fuck god anyway) and other stories. Fake Christians do not know this story of David. Unless your parents were crazy religious zealots that forced you to go to church before you could even have rational thought, you don’t know these stories, and CERTAINLY don’t defend them like you do
I read the bible in full every year since I been saved and that's 32 yrs now and I would never go back and I could inform you way better then this woman. ❤
I love the story of David. It shows that God can use anyone and anything all to His glory. Our human nature to sin doesn't affect His plan one single bit. The end of the story is David went through deep depression, had one of his friends call him out for his sin (as Christians should do for each other, in love, of course), and David repented and drew closer to God. The point of David and Bathsheba is grace, mercy, redemption, forgiveness, accountability, and consequences. It also shows how quickly you can fall down the rabbit hole just by starting with a "little" sin. I was taught that David should have been at battle with his men and not lounging on his own rooftop looking at Bathsheba. Bathsheba was bathing on the rooftop because all the men were supposed to be gone at war.
I thought it was simple, and a birds eye view lesson 🤷🏻♂️ why cant people get it? They let shallow surface thoughts win and "fight" against the bible.... whut😂
Right all the men but what about the boys? 😅 Still no reason for a woman to be bathing out in public. But let me enlighten you a little bit. The Bible is first a law book. The story about Tamar i kid you not you will find that this law that saved her is written in the code of Hammurabi. I looked it up. Fascinating how much of those laws are still in effect today. Best part is it's so finely detailed with specific conditions just like the story of Tamar and David's adultery. In other words because it was her father-in-law that got her pregnant then it was okay and not just that the losses he now has to take care of her and she's not guilty of anything because she did it for survival she did it because she had no other way to survive and she had a kid to take care of so she had to do what she had to do and because it was a father-in-law that did it then now he's forced to take care of her and the baby and the child that she already had with I guess his son on and also speaks on dowry a lot. Also inheritance in fine detail.
I hate that so many men use the story of David to rationalize their philandering and other sins. The story of Bathsheba is that, because all the men were supposed to be gone, she thought she could bathe on the roof. However, King David saw her, and wanted her, and the king always get what he wants. After she discovered she was pregnant, he had her husband killed. After she had the baby, he died, and it must have broken her. Bathsheba was a victim of David, just as her husband had been. She had nothing but her husband and her home, and David destroyed all of that, for his lust. The one piece of redemption for her, was the birth of Solomon. I hate that no one thinks of what Bathsheba actually experienced. It’s all about David, and the power of the men around her.
As far as David’s sin with bathsheba, and forgiveness and coming closer to God.. yeah he was probably more penitent after that, but he is in hell right now for what he did. When Jesus was resurrected and the tombs of the prophets opened, then David’s did not.
Exactly, it's not just a rule book. It's an exploration of good and evil. Hero's in it sometimes do bad things. Thief and criminals in it sometimes do good things.
When david prayed after this he begged god not to lose the lord's favor, even if he lost everything else for his sin. Thats how the story ends. Saul asked to not lose his kingdom and power; david asked not to lose the lord's favor. A man after the lord's heart. The story is to teach us not to fall into adultery and lies. And it is always a serious problem if you end up mixed up in that stuff
I got paddled about once a week in school. I remember in third grade, I was sitting next to some kid who was really upset and I remember trying to comfort him by telling him how it wasn't so bad.
Same. Back in high school at least once a week I got paddled. We had the option between that or after-school community service for three hours l, but I played sports so that wasn’t an option for me. It’s not like it actually hurt, and it was kind of funny how they did it. They made you bend over and “touch your you toes and don’t look back”. You were given a mint from a dish after the deed was done.
One of the most frightening stories is the story of Job. The Devil has a meeting with God, and God declares Job without fault, and sinless, the devil says “let me take his health away, his family, and all his belongings, and he will curse you then” This story is a sorta microcosm of my life story I lost everyone I truly loved : my wife to another man, my father (he was my best friend) to murder My 2 best friends, and the love of life, fiancé, to suicide. Job ends up suffering beyond belief physically also (soars head to foot, insomnia) Job ends up in the end getting a lesson from God, which is very interesting to read, and having an even larger family and an even happier and extended life, that has not happened to me yet and it probably won’t
It hasn’t happened to you yet and it probably we’ll never but you know what is a man with everything in the world he’s just a man nothing special about him.
I've noticed when things promised to me by "G-D" and I'm talking about rewarding things was because my pride was getting in the way. In the end I found out that puffing up my pride was my reward to myself for myself. I should have remain faithful and kept things hush till I noticed the marvelous gifts for my deeds and faith and that alone would be my testament or like the say + the obvious would speak louder about my faith than me puffing it up with words. Sorry if it sounded distorted but tried my best to speak of my own experiences and lessons without getting too serious about my self. Little s self.
As a Christian who has attended thousands of sermons I’m sure hundreds mentioned this fall of David. There’s so many lessons we learn from it. She also didn’t mention how it ended with God punishing David and David severely repenting and God forgiving David but not removing the consequences of his sin that literally followed him for the rest of his life. These consequences that followed David for this sin actually costed David three kids, four if you count how his daughter turned out from trauma, and to be cheated on and betrayed the rest of his life. As far as God killing Onan, well yeah the Messiah was going to come through Judah and this guy wouldn’t keep the line going so God had to sovereingly remove the problem for His plans to advance. Onan wasn’t innocent in this. He was not fulfilling a man’s duty in those days. And yeah what Tamar and Judah both did was dark and awful but God didn’t approve. The way she talks you would think God was so happy with this stuff happening. No way. God recorded everything that happened faithfully but it didn’t say He approved of it. As I showed often God judged people (like David) for the stuff they did. But what are these stories meant to really show us? The Bible isn’t about the blessed good but the blessed bad. Man is extremely sinful. God is extremely good. And God has endless grace for repentant misfits with endless problems
@@DblTap317 if God doesn’t punish David, God is seen as winking at his sin. If He does punish David he is seen as cruel. Can God win in your ideology? You can be free from punishment though through accepting Jesus taking that punishment for you ( Romans 8:1, John 3:18). But yes God is perfect. Perfect justice means He always must punish sin. Perfect mercy means He must always pardon it. The cross is where this justice and mercy kiss. Your sin is punished in the body of Jesus. You walk away receiving mercy & pardon. If you reject or fail to accept this by receiving Jesus though, you default to opting to pay for your own sins which is hell. And satan won’t be punishing you. He will be suffering too. God won’t be punishing you. He won’t be there. And that’s kinda what makes hell, well, hell. It’s the absence of the presence of God. God really doesn’t want this for you. He absolutely loves you. So He gave you Jesus so you can have a relationship with Him and your sins no longer the issue between you and God. But you must recieve it by faith
@@weirdmonkeyfish is He evil or is He a fairytale? I know my God is Jesus. He hung out with sinners. He loved the misfit. He respected prostitutes. He healed everyone. And Jesus taught the Father is exactly like Him. So my God is love. He’s far from evil. He came to save men, not destroy lives. He came to save the world not condemn it.
@@Prestonsworld202@Prestonsworld202 Dude, stop trippin'. I don't know if she has reread the Bible since age 8. I just know that 8-year-olds aren't smart enough to understand it.
In the old testament it was Judah the son Jacob and the son begins the line of King David. Another element of this line is Lot who had Moab through incest with his daughter. Ruth is a direct descendant and King David is a direct descendant of Ruth.
I’m sorry this woman was brought up around a bunch of people that couldn’t help her understand the stories of the Bible. I’m 50 and have just recently became a Christian. I’ve heard of both of these stories because I’ve actually read the Bible. I enjoy hearing different people have different perspectives on the same story. It’s what makes us interesting as humans.
Not true the Bible clearly condones slavery as a perfect moral practice . In clearly describes it as slavery in Exodus 21 and gives rules and conditions on how Jews can own slaves and how they can own fellow Jews as slaves by driving a spike through their ear to mark them as property . Also In Leviticus God says "if a man lay with a man like he lay with a women he shall be put to death and his blood is on his own hands " Clear as day !! Also to stone to death unruly children and women who cheat on their husbands . The Bible condoning murder and sitting it's own laws in place that it Deems morally acceptable . The term they use is slavery so Christian apologist have a hard time getting around it . Also it doesn't explain after God delivered mosses to the supposed promise land he then orders Moses and the Jews to slaughter the amolokites and amedenites and to take the women and children for themselves as slaves and to capture and take what's their and go to war with the neighboring nations around them .
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@@jeremiahnoar7504 🤣 that's awesome. I totally agree. Sunday school stuff. I wonder why It was so weird to talk about like it couldn't be talked about. It's definitely talked about. This is a cake walk compared to some other biblical stories I've done sermons on.
I am an Arab and a Muslim and I can't deconstruct Quran or explain it you.. Simply because the Arabic used in the Quran is of a very high level.. Kinda like Shakespearean English.. Even though Americans and British read and right English doesn't give the the necessary knowledge to understand or explain Shakespeares works... Similarly, the "Ulama" or Muslim scholars have to go through alot and all of them are a Hafiz meaning fully memorised the Quran and whole bunch of hadiths... Hope that answers your question...
@@truelies5431You missed his point. He's saying people aren't allowed to question the stories in the Quran, and if Joe and this woman sat around, smoking cigars, saying how ridiculous some stories are in the Quran like they do in the Bible, Muslims would be outraged. Have you not noticed how it's perfectly acceptable to openly question & mock the Christian faith, but not any other religions?
@@cdburner2548 thank you for taking time to reply... But yes I do get his point and explained why you shouldn't be doing that and why it is considered disrespectful to the people who actually put in all the work and effort.. Ask any Muslim people what they do to get their questions about quran or religion answered.. And that's how we do it... If you guys disrespect your own traditions... That's in you... We Muslims still have to respect Jesus and his followers.. And still disrespecting your belief doesn't give you the right to do the same to others
The story of David and Bathsheba was taught on frequently and preached on often enough by our pastor when i was growing up. Christians know these stories very well.
Plus there is a Richard Gere film about it (underwhelming by the way), and a Leonard Cohen song covered by numerous people including in a Simon Cowell show...
I love this comment, but that sounds cute, this is someone hallucinating about having a conversation with another person as they drool alone in the middle of the desert or something.
@@pct2025 In order to question it, you need to have a correct understanding of it, otherwise you get 1×1=2 which is, incedently, what another of his guests claims.
@@lalonguecarabine4952 I’m sure 99.9% of people misunderstand the bible. It’s written by many people over time so you’re attempting to understand a wide spectrum of personalities, opinions and thoughts. Btw, Terrence Howard is slightly crazy.
Why would the Old Testament authors include such embarrassing details with no “happy endings” in each book? It describes the constant failures and sin from Israel’s leaders, to prove the point that no man can conquer sin, we all need a savior. The Bible states this from the very beginning with Adam’s fall followed by God foreshadowing the need for a new Adam (Jesus) as God promised in Genesis 3 someone from Eve’s offspring would conquer the serpent and redeem mankind. All of it points to Christ.
Michelle starts by saying these stories have historical context. Proceeds to not include any of the cultural or historical context for the stories. JOE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ON TH E SHOW WHO ACTUALLY CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDS THESE EVENTS/STORIES TOLD IN THE SCRIPTURES
why waste time with fairytale,its better when he invite people talking about reality like Neil D T,Bob Lazar or Paul Stamets instead of this kind of crap.
It had a nice ending too, because the ghost got to move on to the afterlife. She was brutally murdered and a priest helped find her killer. He ended up giving the money she left behind to the church, at her request. Some ghosts just want someone to listen to them.
Thank you this is the comment I was looking for. I couldn't remember the name of that book.I remember when I was in elementary school that picture scared the crap out of me.
What is left out is what the Lord did to punish David for this evil act. Part of the greater story here in my opinion is. No matter the blessings the Lord God may grant and give you as well as your importance in the God's plan. We are all human and sinners capable or good and evil. No matter how important to God plan you are or are not, we all fall short of what it takes to get into Heaven. God knows this and this is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins, so that we can experience and fill the Kingdom of Heaven.
what is spoken here is true. the Creator of the universe loves you and wants a personal friendship and bond. you don't have to stop doing anything or try to clean your life up first. Jesus wants you as you are now. he will lead you down the path and you will be changed by his Holy Spirit. when you feel the pull on your heart answer the call. whosoever will can come freely.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Nor have you read the Bible or understand the Bible. I would highly encourage you to do that
@@mmartista3803 tell us more about how babies getting cancer are evil and get what they deserve or how millions dying in earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanoes deserved it. You're a phychos for believing that..
The story of David is about his sin and his repentance and the consequences of his sin because of what he did with Bethsheba. The thing that separated David from King Saul was that David was repentant. It took some convincing but David repented. When he became aware of the evil had committed he went before God in prayer. He was his sincere repentance that God honored, but it doesn’t mean that he didn’t have consequences for his sin. Least that’s how I understand it. I hope that helps you, Michelle, and Joe. (Michelle was my English teacher.)
she asks Joe if he's read the whole Bible. He says yes, but later admits no. Most people are like this. They've read 1% but will lie to you and say they've read 100%. Unlike Joe, most of the people I talk to will dig in and defend the lie. What good does that do? You want to retain your ideas not based in reality? (1) Read the whole thing for yourself. Not that hard. Sure, it's a long work, but not that long. Or (2) trust me when I tell you where you're wrong. Don't like that? See (1).
I’m Jewish and we study Bible mandatory since kindergarten to high school and it’s even in the graduation exams. We hear and read all the good and bad and there are actually whole courses about the sins and wrong doings of the kings and prophets and all the main people…bet sheva’s story is one of the mild ones.
You do know witches aren't real right... I like how everything's scary to man used to be human a witch is just a female. Dracula was just a dude. Same as the werewolf just some guy. Ghost used to be people Aliens are probably people... from the future😮 I guess what I'm saying is all of man's monsters are usually man. Except for Bigfoot but he's just a security guard for aliens.
@@DanielWhiteside They are real, not in the fantasy sense no... but if you think witchcraft isn't practiced and isn't Satanic well. . . you're not studied on the occult. I very much am. If you think it's not real look into Aleister Crowley and Marina Abramović just to name a couple. You seem to have the Hollywood and Halloween understanding of the terms, which shows your lack of understanding.
I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith. So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana". I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly… I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling. He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car. A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
Thats wonderful...I know some people who were very close to the Lord and in later years say things like "I just wish I could feel his presence like I used to" Sometimes I wonder who's the one who really walked away ..him or us? I think it's great you are very preceptive to the Lords presence and can tell when his Spirit is speaking to you. Always be listening, always be ready when he calls on you.
That's awesome! We never know when it's truly him in this time so I allways pray that those times get looked back on when we're even closer to our lord.
She’s wrong the modern day Protestant Bible has 66 but originally had 80 or somewhere in the 70’s. Catholic Bible to this day has 73. Orthodox Bible has anywhere from 70’s something to 80.
There is a reason why seminary students (at least in most evangelical seminaries) are required to study Hebrew, ancient cultures, language forms, etc. There is a cultural context that must be understood. And these things are not hidden from anyone; are commonly discussed in most churches, and if someone hasn't heard them, then one ought to question what sort of church you have been attending.
Dang they’ve twisted up so much in this video! God didn’t command David to sleep with Bathsheba, it’s a historical account of what happened. David did so many great things in his life but he’s human just like the rest of us and did horrible things too then was severely punished for them. The Bible doesn’t teach that women are second class citizens in fact, feminists would love how valued women were viewed (especially compared to other civilizations). The Bible didn’t condone slavery either. Its historical account of the horrors of the enslaved Israelites was recorded then God brings the smack down on the Egyptians for the horrible things they did to the slaves. In the mosaic law, there are 3 parts- moral law (10 commandments given at Mt. Sinai) civil law (the laws given to the recently freed Israelites after wandering the desert and having a plethora of civil issues) and the ceremonial law (how to conduct yourselves when making offerings to God). The civil law began because Moses was in a predicament. There were millions of people (12 tribes of Israel) trying figure out how to be it’s own society with law and order. At first, Moses sat down and everyone who had conflict lined up to tell Moses what happened then Moses would decree what needs to happen. This was inefficient and not sustainable so his father-in-law recommended appointing Elders in every tribe to handle issues as well as laws to govern the people. Back then, if someone stole from you, for example, the perpetrator was required to pay them back plus tax. If they couldn’t, they were required to pay them back with 7 years of indentured servitude then freed (unless they wanted to stay). There were rules about how to treat them and they were considered a part of the family unit. Back then, people really relied on each other because there was so much hard labor that needed to be done to survive. This punishment of indentured servitude is completely different than how we view slavery. And God doesn’t ever command us to have slaves.
Here’s another interesting and violent Bible story for the comment section. There was a leader of the Canaanite army named Sisera. He and his soldiers were fighting against the Israelites under a leader named Barak. Sisera’s army fell and all of them were killed, but Sisera himself ran away. A lady named Jael saw him outside her house and she told him to come inside, that she was a friend and would protect him. He went in with her and she gave him milk to drink and a blanket. He told her to watch the door, and if anyone came by, to say that she was alone in the house. She agreed to this and Sisera laid on the floor with the blanket and fell asleep. Jael then took a hammer and nail, while Sisera was asleep, and drove it through his temple and nailed his head to the floor of her house. She left him just like that, and eventually Barak came by, still hunting Sisera. Jael met Sisera outside and told him she had the man he was looking for, and led him to the dead Sisera, his head still spiked to the floor. Edit: Judges 4:14-22 if you want to read it for yourself
Deborah and Jael is one of my favorite stories! This is a great example of how God does use women in authority. There's so much to learn from Deborah's story (Jael is just part of it). There's some great devotionals about it in the Bible app, you version.
I grew up in church and the only stories that weren't taught were 2 in i think Judges. The first is were a crowd demanded that a stranger in town be given to them so they could rape him, but the man hosting the stranger instead gave them his female servant. So they beat and gang raped the girl and afterwards, she crawls back to her masters house and dies outside his front door. If i remember right, this starts a big conflict where cities go to war with one another. The second is when a man prays to God for victory in battle and promises to sacrifice the first thing that approaches him when he gets home. So after the fight his daughter who is his only child is the first to approach him. He then lets his daughter go and grieve her virginity on a mountain with her friends for a time, and when she returns he sacrifices her.
That first one is essentially a representation of the historicity of God separating himself from Israel. The woman being raped by strangers and then murdered by her master (literally dismembered and her parts sent across all of Israel) is one of the strongest examples of how far the culture had fallen at the time, "that such a thing could happen here" is basically what everyone's response was, which is why conflict arose from it. The heaviest aspect of it being that the woman's master had become so callous that he didn't just let her die on his doorstep, he disrespected her corpse and let everyone else know about it. It was one of the ultimate examples of the fall from grace at that time in the nation's history.
I was expecting the story of Jepthah's daughter as well. I think that is one of the most terrifying stories in the Bible. What an ignorant deal to make!
@@mouikafa-qn1gn i have reach enlightment at 5 years old so your assumption about my materialistic wit are incorrect just like your delusions about bible stuff. Oh and no im not you bro just like the rocks in my driveway are not my bros either.
@@mikescorpio13 And what does your enlightenment gave you? Do you have anything better to offer than having some, yeah as you might say, delusional hope beyond this life? Tell me, I might change my view.
The first time I went to Sunday School was when I was visiting relatives for a wedding. The story for that Sunday? Abraham being commanded by God to make a human sacrifice of his son Isaac.
@@justonetime112 Now I know it was a test for the great patriarch but back then I took it as a brutal bronze age story, even when the angel stopped him.
I don't understand how an 8 year old could even comprehend half of the words or meanings in the Bible.... I'm 33 and I still get confused reading it. 😂
Depends on which version you read. Try reading the Hebrew -Greek-English version and you will be left confused all day. I understand why it was translated in simpler versions.
I call bulldshit on that too. To read the entire Bible in less than a year (she would need to in order to read in cover to cover at one age) would take quite a commitment. Maybe she started reading at 8. Maybe she read a decent amount of it at 8. But I think I unlikely she finished it before she turned 9.
I know, what's with the both of them? Joe acts like he was forced to learn about Christianity in school. In the 70's in Florida? huh? He must have gone to a Christian private school. If that were the case, an opportunity most kids didn't have; and it appears none of it stuck.
@@michaelrobertson1736 There is no universal experience of “westerners” when it comes to these things. If you are trying to say Americans then just say it.
The Bible can be rough because it has a lot of beautiful things to say but also stories that are not for the faint of heart. I remember setting out to read the whole Bible when I was 18 and I think I stopped a couple of books into it. The Old Testament is brutal. I ended up doing it again and actually finishing it. Proverbs, Psalms, Job, Ecclesiastes, all beautiful books with great wisdom and knowledge. I still struggle with faith and religion to this day. Show me a picture of an orangutan and I can’t help but see a distant relative. This life is very weird when you get into a deep thought about it lol anyways, hope y’all have a good day!
I agree and have had similar experiences. Initially couldn’t believe ecclesiastes was authored by the same as proverbs, well until the end of course, but we all have doubts and struggles of faith (some more than others) but I want to encourage you to listen to that tugging on your heart saying “yes I AM real” for surely He is. B blessed
@@LRM5195 you ain’t lying lol, bible prophecies unfolding before us, hard to discern which ones tho as john wrote in revelations things seen both in the physical and spiritual realm… hope to meet u someday upstairs and we can both say with relief WE MADE IT!
Orangutans are distant relatives. The same genetics that can pinpoint your relatives in a group of a million people, tells us what we descend from and who else descended from that. Our cousins - Neanderthals are extinct but most of us have gene lines altered by humans mating with this particular species.
Its recorded history even if it is embelished or people dont belive in God... there were canaanites, and the city Ur and jericho, and babylon existed etc.
That story is about Judah, the son of Jacob who became known as Israel. Rehab and Ruth are also in the line of Christ. There IS a message in that, at least, I have found one for me.
No, it isn't weird, and I CAN explain why--you are imposing your cultural view of smoking as "bad" or "rebellious" onto the situation. What if they were drinking alcohol while discussing the Bible? What if it was beer? Whiskey? How about wine? Is wine better, since the Bible discusses wine more often, or do you associate religion with "lack of alcohol"? The Bible doesn't forbid smoking or drinking. It permits drinking and forbids alcoholism (or excessive drunkenness). Smoking is not mentioned.
Nathan calls David out for this behavior .... she has no idea what she is talking bout ... the Bible doesn't hide the flaws of its heroes ... this woman has no idea what she is talking bout
If these stories were from random scrolls found in Egypt, Joe would be marveling at how Humans were just as crazy back then as we are today.. but since they came from the Bible, he acts like we have to be careful when reading them 😂
@@jeremyhodges7956the Bible isn’t from random scrolls, it’s literally diaries of people who met Jesus or were directly contracted by God. They aren’t random scrolls just found laying around😂, you’re an idiot.
They always are in shock & dismay over It condoning slavery (BONDSERVANTS paying a debt owed to people with their service & were freed after 7 years unless they chose to stay as a beloved part of that family) leaving out how God disapproves of harsh evil American slavery.
Dark like Debera’s counterpart driving a spike into a guy’s head in Judges? Or the King that got his eyes put out right after witnessing his son’s throats cut in front of him by Nebuchadnezzar all because he wouldn’t do as asked in the book of Jeremiah? Or the book of Lamentations which details the conditions of a besieged city where the people were left to eat their offspring to survive? Or the ones obese King who was stabbed in his chambers to where the fat rolls came up to the hilt of the sword? The Bible is full of crazy stories.
🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
I don't remember her saying she understood it completely. I mean, you can literally listen to her words. You don't have to add words that weren't spoken. She even mentions having *and asking questions about what she read.
She said she read the Bible at 8 years old and acts like she’s an expert… it’s absolutely impossible for someone to comprehend what their reading in the Bible at that age.
A common trend with people who simply scratch the surface of the Bible. Many are so prideful that they truly believe that they're going to find something over two thousand years of scholars have not known about already. So instead of asking: "What did these people know that I do not know?" They say: "I know what these people do not know." They have their reward.
@@karenmunoz969 Yes the story of Lot and his daughters plainly shows what can happen when u go against the will of God and drink urself into oblivion. The angels sent to save Lot and his family "escape to the hills, lest u b swept away." Gen. 19:18. But Lot wanted to go to a near by small city, Gen.19:20. He didn't want to go where God was leading him. When we chose to do what WE want instead of following what is plainly God's will for is the result is disgusting.
"It's how its interpreted." Oh okay, "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" were more just hypothetical suggestions, rather than actual contemporary legal theory if anything...
True if she only know all this stories is exampel of what human will do.have the stories in book of ezikle were the celebrities and famous people like Joe do ritual and make deal with demon im pretty sure she want bring it up.
True if she only know all this stories is exampel of what human will do.have the stories in book of ezikle were the celebrities and famous people like Joe do ritual and make deal with demon im pretty sure she want bring it up.
People blaming this lady are the problem. We all know the story yes but as a catholic I can confirm u will NEVER hear that part of David’s story during the mass. Only the heroic parts which is what she meant. We know what we tryna promote and we hide the darker stories but that’s not the way. Everything should be laid out
She proceeds to tell people, "That's a story not a lot people hear," after telling King David's most infamous story.
I haven't read the bible yet I'm 29 I barely started ❤❤
That part of David's story is downplayed HARD compared to the rest of this life. Just saying.
The version I learned was essentially "whoops he done goofed lol" as we spent not even 15 minutes on it. The story of him vs Goliath was several classes long.
Bang on. I’m a Christian, this has been taught in my church plenty of times. That’s the point of the story, he committed murder and adultery but he repented but it had ramifications that went through his genealogy just like God told him. Because of that transgression one of his sons raped one of his daughters to another wife and then his own son Absolom rose up to rebel and try and take his kingdom.
The Bible does not condone slavery. What is termed slavery in the Old Testament is indebted servitude and on the year of Jubilee they were all set free unless they chose to remain. It was a way of paying debts that couldn’t otherwise be paid.
It's a worldwide podcast. Most people aren't Christian.
That first story she mentions isn't a secret. There's an actual Veggie Tales episode about that episode.
I was gonna say, that story is Christianity 101. Basic example of lust
And yet it’s the Old Testament
Yeah, it's not a secret.It's in the "book of truth" that nobody reads. She didn't say That it was a secret. She said nobody knows about it because nobody reads it.... Because other people just tell them what are supposed to think about it.
And slanted.
Veggie Tales is a myth
I love how the thumbnail shows a page out of “scary stories to tell in the dark” 😂
Same I was like what the?? 😂
Right?! I was hoping for more of like the demon angels CURRENTLY chained in the dark places under the Euphrates…who get out when it dries up.
Imagine how much better the Bible would be if Stephen King or Arthur Machen wrote it. Machen was a mystic after all and I believe was actually a Christian, but one of those cool "gothic" Victorian (Welsh) Christians.
That's what it is! I used to love those books. I remembered the artwork right away. Can't remember the story, but I know I used to have those books and would scare the sh!t out of myself as a kid at night.
Click bait. 😂😢
There’s another story in the Bible that people never talk about that’s really dark
It’s about a man who does everything right, spends his life doing nothing but helping people, then he gets betrayed by his best friend, denied by other friends, he gets beaten severely, by people he was trying to save, and then he gets crucified and even his own father, that could of easily saved him, forsakes him in his very last minutes of his life
The guy that went through that, accepted all that torture, for a bunch of people who didn’t even exist yet
Nah, it was because "god" required a blood sacrifice. Period. Let's get real here.
My Savior prayed to the Father: “I do not ask for these only,
but also for those who will believe in me through their word”
Lord Jesus, “for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.”
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
Full of contradictions
@@shawneek1972No, he wanted to save through his Jesus Christ
“Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” -Matthew 13:13
Talking about trump huh?
@@suedesweffervescent No, you.
@@jordandavis4318 good comeback man😂 People would only see the surface for these stories but doesn't understand that David truly repented for his sins and asked God for forgiveness. God is Almighty and Holy, so does what he sees fit because God has never committed a sin and is our creator
also the bs: “the bible condones slavery” THE FACE I MADE HEARING THAT LOL
🎯🎯🎯 they only get a surface level understanding
The David story tells the truth about giving into lust. It's brilliant and actually shows how it can wreck your life.
Yep. Then you have Solomon who was the wisest man to date. He did many great things including building the temple. Despite his wisdom, however, he was persuaded by his wife to worship idols. The Old Testament is a series of lessons and failures. The failures lead to the flood and eventually the Savior. Everyone will know, one way or another.
If you are really nerdy that David story is a replaying of the garden of Eden pay attention to the words used. "David SAW, David Took, David hid... etc etc..." but if you are interested in stuff like that go deep in the meaning of the stories I highly recommend the bible project podcasts. They uncover the bible in a way that makes sense when you sit to think about it.
@@lynlynb7139 Bible project. Thanks, will look into it. If nerdy means informed on the only important part of my existence then sign me up. 😁
I think it's a bit more serious than simply lust.
@@johnmichaelson9173 the seed was planted with lust
The stories she told are literally some of the most well known in the entire Bible.
Thank you. I thought that maybe she was making a joke about this or something. I have probably forgotten a lot of the things I knew when I was a bible classes goer (as a kid) but even I remember King David’s story and the stories surrounding Jacob and his near descendants. 😂
I have never heard them ever so they are far from the most well know stories
To be fair. hardly any believer that actually read the Bible. They mostl;y hear the occasional feel good story told by a 3rd party,
Nope. I went to a Christian School K-12 and church 3X per week. These stories were NEVER told.
To Christians, maybe. But Christians think most people are Christians, and if they're not, they should be
These stories have so many lessons embeddee for the reader. We are supposed to realize things like the idea that David is an extremely flawed man, and yet God loves him. We, too, can be loved by God, despite our flaws.
This is a commonly known story among actual Christians it’s to show how even the most mightiest men can fall to sin when they don’t follow God
God killed a baby, though?
Was going to say we teach this regularly. I mean it's a great story. It teaches even the greatest person of God can fall and give in to temptation ruining all of the good works and deeds they made.
@@adamkinne6467 exactly if you go to the right church’s can learn the whole Bible
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So is it true that God kills the baby?
The fact that she talks about the story of david And Bathsheba, and says this is not a story that is taught shows that this woman isn not well informed. The story may not be taught to younger childeren, but as a teen and and young adult it absolutely is.
No church in England tells that story to kids on a Sunday
Well if it is not taught in “Sunday School” and it most likely is not spoken about in great detail at the Pulpit, I guess that leaves Adult Bible Study on Wednesday nights…?
You're named "David" though, right? Doesn't that at the very least indicate you might be more well informed about your name's historicity, or for that matter know more of the story of "David" than the common "believer"? What is your specific faith/denomination/nationality, if you don't mind me asking? I would argue the answer to any of my questions would likely reveal why you think what you're saying is true.
Isn't the song Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen about this.
I literally watched a cartoon about this with my 4-year-old 😂😂😂 wth?
The Bible says people push the truth away because they love their sin too much. It also says, "The fool has said in his heart, ‘There is no God.'" Deep down, people know there is a God, but they also know to acknowledge God would mean there would be moral accountability. People don't want that.
Absolutely because we all have a measure of faith that can move mountains. We're having the breath of God inside me like he does.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
very well said brother @PeterBornAgain
Or it could be that the facts and the evidence isn’t sufficient enough to prove the existence of god and that its really not that evil to do very natural human things (provided nobody gets hurt)
@@nicholasforan9105there is no basis of morality without God. Why should it matter if someone gets hurt provided there is no God?
I can't believe we're still debating the validity of some parts of the Bible. See that's the problem. The bible has moments of historically accurate stories. But when the authors tell me these are gods words I gotta laugh. Do you guys really think God was ok with slaves? Do you think God really explained how to justify you owning humans? How about this. Show me something in the bible that exceeds the knowledge of the people when it was written. I'll wait
"A lot of it is tedious history". "There's a lot that contradicts itself" These are not the words of someone who understands the full story of the Bible.
She probably says that God works in mysterious ways. Turns out, God is the most consistent character in the Bible.
I agree
But have YOU read it for yourself?😅
@@gmoney3519 What do you think?
@mary_puffin there are books like Numbers Deuteronomy Kings and Queens that are pretty hard to stay awake to especially if your cross referencing with a guide or different translation. Numbers teaches accounting to say the least, like if u understand it fully ur supposedly will be good at finances. Queens is very very violent with Pikings for minute reasons but teaches discernment and tolerance which is like foreshadowing to Salamon sparing a child from being chopped in half in later books. Obviously some books are more captivating to other but if u get through the old testament it'll give you a clear understanding of the new testament since ur goin into it understanding no one's who's died in the previous books went to heaven and life isn't fair and God is VERY jealous and vengeful. So it contradicts the loving narrative because we perceive love differently than a being that loves the population's existence as a whole to the point a Merciful God means hes merciful to inflicting wrath cus He could just send u to hell or kill off your family by natural causes while making you live hundreds of years long to experience it (Book of Job). By New Testament Jesus is fulfilling previous prophecies so there are a lot of call backs then he dies opening the gates of heaven. One of the main things ur suppose to understand from the books is that government policy and technology will change but human nature and psychology remains the same, so it teaches you how to protect and defend yourself against being manipulated.
The fact that the imperfections of the people of God are on full display throughout the Bible is one of the most compelling things about it. Clearly not hiding anything.
Wow! Dont let the muslims here this argument! They will adapt it immediately.
I find it fascinating that in todays age we still have people worshipping imaginary sky fairy's. It's absolutely mental 😂😂
✝️🙌 So true! I think it's about loyalty in the end. Living the Christian life has never been easy, but knowing who you serve is. Both of those Old Testament examples were under a different dispensation predating Christ of course. But still, imperfect people through the ages, trying to walk the walk and serve God is what it's all about.
@@MikeEnforcer not imaginary sky fairy's... Yahuah the Mighty King of kings... we leave the fairy's for u
@hewhotrulybelieves yeah you imaginary sky daddy doesn't exist... Nice try though.... better luck next time
Actually, most churches do not shy away from those stories, at all, especially the story of David and Uriah. That's why religious folk will name their kids Uriah, and they become MMA fighters.
Faber and Hall? 😂
@@ETS186 Yes! Two of my favorites.
Do people who named their child david want them to be cuckhold? 😂
All churches shy away from jesus failing malachi
@@N166uhz What sort of backyard MMA are you watching, bruh?
some big discrepancies in the telling of the story of Tamar. After Judah lost his second son. His last son wasn't given to Tamar for two reasons, one, he was too young and the second is because Judah was afraid he might loose his last son. So he didn't promise Tamar that she will be the wife of his last son for these two reasons and not the one reason mentioned in the video.
Tamar went back to her home as instructed by Judah, again that is all that Judah does, he instructs her to go and wait at her fathers house. Tamar while at her fathers home wore cloths that is synonyms for someone who is a widow and grieving. She finds out that Judah is coming to where her fathers home is because he wants to sheer his sheep, upon hearing this Tamar has a plan. She knows that she isn't pledged to Judah's last son and she wants to take it upon herself to get pregnant. So she takes for cloths that are meant for grieving and switches them for cloths that is synonyms for a prostitute at that time. Main point here is that she is wearing a head veil and as such no one can see her face.
Judah walks into this town/village and sees this prostitute who is wearing a veil and he asks to sleep with her. This is where the video goes off the rails. She asks Judah what she will get in return for sleeping with him and she knows that this is her father in law and he doesn't know who she is. He says he will give her one of his sheep in his village/camp. Judah isn't at his camp/village, so this is supposed to be a promise for future payment. She asks him for a guarantee for this payment. He asks what she wants and she says she wants a seal with his cord and his staff. He agrees and he sleeps with her. Judah didn't sleep with her and not have payment, they discussed how Judah will pay her and she played him in this part of the story. Tamar isn't this poor innocent person and neither is Judah.
So she goes back to her fathers home and switches into her cloths meant for grieving. Judah returns to his camp and sends a friend to pay her but he cannot find her and he returns to Judah and tells him that she cannot be found. He is embarrassed that she has his seal and staff. But he makes peace with the idea that she has stolen it. We all now know that this was Tamar's plan, she didn't want a sheep, she was playing Judah and got proof of the person she slept with.
The video made it sound like Tamar became a prostitute because she wanted to make a living. This isn't true, she wanted to get pregnant from sleeping with her father-in-law. Plain and simple.
She got pregnant and Judah is told that Tamar is found to be pregnant and the assertion is that she prostituted herself. Judah wants her killed but before she is killed she sends him his staff and seal. Tamar honey potted Judah and got what she felt she deserved.
Moral of the story. Men need to keep it in their pants coz women who are just selling sex cannot be trusted. The other moral of the story is do what is right, Judah in his fear doesn't give assurances to Tamar that she will be married off, so when he didn't do that the rest of the story played out as it did. Judah is also the same guy who earlier discouraged his brothers from killing Joseph but instead mentioned to have him sold. Joseph lived and as per what is said in the bible he became the second highest in Egypt and also saved Egypt and his family from starvation. So Judah is seen as someone who loved his family when the rest of them were okay with killing one of them. He isn't perfect but neither is Tamar and all of them played their role.
Well put , also by God's providence Tamar gives Birth to Twins, Perez and Zerah, which from Judas line Comes King David, and ultimately our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, God is Sovereign over all, as Joseph said to his Brother's you meant it for evil but God meant it for good
im confused. Did Tamar had sex with her Father in law or played like she did??? And y he didn't go see Tamar back at her father house after he had sex with the "prosistute"( or he didnt)🤷
Also, it was Judah's duty as the patriarch to ensure his oldest son's lineage continued because he didn't have children before he died. That's why Tamar married his next son. But their first child would've been counted as the oldest son's to ensure his lineage continued. The brother didn't like that and refused to get her pregnant and the Lord killed him. Thus the duty of continuing the Judah's oldest son's lineage fell to his youngest son. This also was the custom so that that the Tamar would be provided for. Most marriages were arranged anyways back then so this wasn't that strange.
After Judah's youngest son became of age Judah shirked his duty to both provide for Tamar and ensure his eldest son's lineage out of fear that the Lord would kill that son too. (The Lord struck down his oldest son because he was wicked). What Tamar did was take it apon herself to both provide for herself and ensure her first husband's lineage. So, Tamar and Judah both sinned by fornicating but she did it for somewhat honorable reasons to pick up Judah's slack. So when Judah went to lead the stoning of her for prostituting (with him) she showed that he was lacking in his duties and morals and was more righteous than he.
@@loganwallace5854 a bit mistaken here. His youngest son wasn't of age at any point in this story. Tamar assumed that Jacob wasn't going to allow his youngest to be married to her. This was her reasoning for deceiving Jacob. They were both in the wrong but Jacob says that she was more righteous than him. So the assumption here is that Jacob knew he didn't betroth his youngest son to Tamar as he was afraid he too will be killed. But they both are wrong for what they did. Who knows if Tamar even cared for any of Jacob's children. If she was married to one of them is all she wanted. Key part here is that Jacob's youngest son wasn't of age to get married throughout the story but it is revealed that Jacob's only reason was probably that he was afraid his son would be killed for the same reasons.
@@TheFergo911 When Judah met Tamar and thought she was a prostitute, she saw that the youngest son was grown and wasn't given to her to marry as Judah had promised her. She had her grieving veil own and he came and asked to sleep with her. He acknowledged that he reneged on his promise to to her.
The Bible has a lot of stories about some really messed up people and family dynamics. Why? Because in 2024 there are a lot of messed up people and family dynamics. It proves that all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, we all need redemption...
And redeemer is Yeshua Amen 🙏 🙌
It doesn't prove anything at all. Comments like yours is exactly why more and more people are moving away from Christianity
🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
@@rvincent6560🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
@@Edvdh nope not they were called Canaanite and the philistines were not native to caanon, FACTS!
The Bible isn't supposed to only tell of warm and fuzzy events. It's a record of history that tells of how God interacts with His people.
extremely edited revision of borrowed stories, good news it's about to edited again to remove the jews killing Jesus and any negative remarks towards jews or things that paint jews in a bad light.
identify who you are not allowed to criticize and that's who rules you.
cowards.
Exactly!
Are you stupid ? Because when you say stuff like that you sound stupid .
It's not history 😂it has some history with mythical stories. God isn't real. Maybe you should educate yourself on evolution, the science of human biology, astrology. There's a reason why the majority of scientists are atheists, because they understand the basics of how things work
God sacrificed himself, to himself, to save us from himself 🤦 right how logical
This is the perfect example of little knowledge is dangerous
Could you please elaborate? Legitimate question, I’m asking for knowledge not spite.
@@adamryerson2974 The proverb ‘A little knowledge is a dangerous thing’ expresses the idea that a small amount of knowledge can mislead people into thinking that they are more expert than they really are, which can lead to mistakes being made.
Oh you're going to try to make excuses for baby murder are you? Let's hear it then!
And excuses for slavery. Exodus chapter 21 in the book of lies
Listen... Upon character based philosophical and ethical deconstruction, the ONLY conclusion that you can come to is that the bible is SO GROSSLY morally and ethically inconsistent that in truth (and I know this is difficult to hear), it doesn't deserve the moral pedestal that's often thrust upon it... The bible's moral spectrum ranges from murderous baby killing genocide to societal pacifism and everything else in between... You can't depend on that in our modern age without cherry picking scripture to suit YOUR ideals... If both a genocidal maniac and pacifist can use scripture to validate their point of views with so called "Godly approval" then it tells you everything you need to know...
The bible is ethically inconsistent and anachronistic, that's a FACT not an opinion... Which is the subtext of the conversation.
Me, waiting to hear a story I haven’t heard before: 😴🛌
Have you heard the story of Lot. The man who tried to prostitute his daughters. They ended up drugging him and taking advantage of him
Want to hear some great takes on the Bible? The late Dr. Michael Heiser had a lot of fascinating stuff, plenty on youtube. He was an actual expert in ancient languages. Rogan screwed up never havng him as a guest while he was still alive.
Okay, you’ve heard the bogus immoral stories. Not the point. The point is you’re too morally repugnant to disavow the book. The point is not that you know all of the dark stories. Congrats! You are a douche
Also, many people claim to be Christians, but don’t go to church so really only know a few stories, like Isaac and Abraham (which that should be enough to make someone say fuck god anyway) and other stories. Fake Christians do not know this story of David. Unless your parents were crazy religious zealots that forced you to go to church before you could even have rational thought, you don’t know these stories, and CERTAINLY don’t defend them like you do
I read the bible in full every year since I been saved and that's 32 yrs now and I would never go back and I could inform you way better then this woman. ❤
Please Repent for your pride. That’s unbelievable that you read the Bible 32 times and you don’t know the deadly sins.
I really doubt that.
@@jrgenpedersen7967 Well said lol
@@jrgenpedersen7967all sins are death not just 7
And the Bible from which year exactly?
I love the story of David. It shows that God can use anyone and anything all to His glory. Our human nature to sin doesn't affect His plan one single bit. The end of the story is David went through deep depression, had one of his friends call him out for his sin (as Christians should do for each other, in love, of course), and David repented and drew closer to God. The point of David and Bathsheba is grace, mercy, redemption, forgiveness, accountability, and consequences. It also shows how quickly you can fall down the rabbit hole just by starting with a "little" sin. I was taught that David should have been at battle with his men and not lounging on his own rooftop looking at Bathsheba. Bathsheba was bathing on the rooftop because all the men were supposed to be gone at war.
I thought it was simple, and a birds eye view lesson 🤷🏻♂️ why cant people get it? They let shallow surface thoughts win and "fight" against the bible.... whut😂
Right all the men but what about the boys? 😅 Still no reason for a woman to be bathing out in public. But let me enlighten you a little bit. The Bible is first a law book. The story about Tamar i kid you not you will find that this law that saved her is written in the code of Hammurabi. I looked it up. Fascinating how much of those laws are still in effect today. Best part is it's so finely detailed with specific conditions just like the story of Tamar and David's adultery. In other words because it was her father-in-law that got her pregnant then it was okay and not just that the losses he now has to take care of her and she's not guilty of anything because she did it for survival she did it because she had no other way to survive and she had a kid to take care of so she had to do what she had to do and because it was a father-in-law that did it then now he's forced to take care of her and the baby and the child that she already had with I guess his son on and also speaks on dowry a lot. Also inheritance in fine detail.
If a boy was old enough for that stuff, he was old enough for war @@edgarv7879.
I hate that so many men use the story of David to rationalize their philandering and other sins. The story of Bathsheba is that, because all the men were supposed to be gone, she thought she could bathe on the roof. However, King David saw her, and wanted her, and the king always get what he wants. After she discovered she was pregnant, he had her husband killed. After she had the baby, he died, and it must have broken her. Bathsheba was a victim of David, just as her husband had been. She had nothing but her husband and her home, and David destroyed all of that, for his lust.
The one piece of redemption for her, was the birth of Solomon. I hate that no one thinks of what Bathsheba actually experienced. It’s all about David, and the power of the men around her.
As far as David’s sin with bathsheba, and forgiveness and coming closer to God.. yeah he was probably more penitent after that, but he is in hell right now for what he did. When Jesus was resurrected and the tombs of the prophets opened, then David’s did not.
The Bible records things it does not condone.
Exactly, it's not just a rule book. It's an exploration of good and evil. Hero's in it sometimes do bad things. Thief and criminals in it sometimes do good things.
Much of the Bible is allegorical
Murder
So why use it as somewhere to get morality if it just records things and doesn’t condone them?
Much of the Bible is bullshit.
When david prayed after this he begged god not to lose the lord's favor, even if he lost everything else for his sin. Thats how the story ends. Saul asked to not lose his kingdom and power; david asked not to lose the lord's favor. A man after the lord's heart. The story is to teach us not to fall into adultery and lies. And it is always a serious problem if you end up mixed up in that stuff
It goes to show that God uses imperfect people, which gives us hope today.
You got to love when people try to explain the Bible without knowing anything about the history or context and stories okay
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So true
She grew up in it
@@josemadrid2913
A lot of people did, doesn’t mean they understand it.
yeah the rando in the youtube comments knows the answers lmfao
I got paddled about once a week in school. I remember in third grade, I was sitting next to some kid who was really upset and I remember trying to comfort him by telling him how it wasn't so bad.
Same. Back in high school at least once a week I got paddled. We had the option between that or after-school community service for three hours l, but I played sports so that wasn’t an option for me. It’s not like it actually hurt, and it was kind of funny how they did it. They made you bend over and “touch your you toes and don’t look back”. You were given a mint from a dish after the deed was done.
One of the most frightening stories is the story of Job.
The Devil has a meeting with God, and God declares Job without fault, and sinless, the devil says “let me take his health away, his family, and all his belongings, and he will curse you then”
This story is a sorta microcosm of my life story
I lost everyone I truly loved : my wife to another man, my father (he was my best friend) to murder
My 2 best friends, and the love of life, fiancé, to suicide.
Job ends up suffering beyond belief physically also (soars head to foot, insomnia)
Job ends up in the end getting a lesson from God, which is very interesting to read, and having an even larger family and an even happier and extended life, that has not happened to me yet and it probably won’t
It is where Satan changes the challenge from Job to all mankind.
@@JasonlaroseLaRose 😭
@@JasonlaroseLaRose also, I do know people that went through a lot more than me and I am great full for everyday that I have.
It hasn’t happened to you yet and it probably we’ll never but you know what is a man with everything in the world he’s just a man nothing special about him.
I've noticed when things promised to me by "G-D" and I'm talking about rewarding things was because my pride was getting in the way. In the end I found out that puffing up my pride was my reward to myself for myself. I should have remain faithful and kept things hush till I noticed the marvelous gifts for my deeds and faith and that alone would be my testament or like the say + the obvious would speak louder about my faith than me puffing it up with words. Sorry if it sounded distorted but tried my best to speak of my own experiences and lessons without getting too serious about my self. Little s self.
As a Christian who has attended thousands of sermons I’m sure hundreds mentioned this fall of David. There’s so many lessons we learn from it. She also didn’t mention how it ended with God punishing David and David severely repenting and God forgiving David but not removing the consequences of his sin that literally followed him for the rest of his life. These consequences that followed David for this sin actually costed David three kids, four if you count how his daughter turned out from trauma, and to be cheated on and betrayed the rest of his life.
As far as God killing Onan, well yeah the Messiah was going to come through Judah and this guy wouldn’t keep the line going so God had to sovereingly remove the problem for His plans to advance. Onan wasn’t innocent in this. He was not fulfilling a man’s duty in those days. And yeah what Tamar and Judah both did was dark and awful but God didn’t approve. The way she talks you would think God was so happy with this stuff happening. No way. God recorded everything that happened faithfully but it didn’t say He approved of it. As I showed often God judged people (like David) for the stuff they did.
But what are these stories meant to really show us? The Bible isn’t about the blessed good but the blessed bad. Man is extremely sinful. God is extremely good. And God has endless grace for repentant misfits with endless problems
So God punishes in life and Satan punishes in afterlife got it.
@@DblTap317 if God doesn’t punish David, God is seen as winking at his sin. If He does punish David he is seen as cruel. Can God win in your ideology?
You can be free from punishment though through accepting Jesus taking that punishment for you ( Romans 8:1, John 3:18).
But yes God is perfect.
Perfect justice means He always must punish sin.
Perfect mercy means He must always pardon it.
The cross is where this justice and mercy kiss.
Your sin is punished in the body of Jesus.
You walk away receiving mercy & pardon.
If you reject or fail to accept this by receiving Jesus though, you default to opting to pay for your own sins which is hell.
And satan won’t be punishing you. He will be suffering too. God won’t be punishing you. He won’t be there. And that’s kinda what makes hell, well, hell. It’s the absence of the presence of God.
God really doesn’t want this for you. He absolutely loves you. So He gave you Jesus so you can have a relationship with Him and your sins no longer the issue between you and God. But you must recieve it by faith
@@thegracecast40 God is evil. Fortunately its all a fairy tale.
@@weirdmonkeyfish is He evil or is He a fairytale?
I know my God is Jesus. He hung out with sinners. He loved the misfit. He respected prostitutes. He healed everyone. And Jesus taught the Father is exactly like Him. So my God is love. He’s far from evil. He came to save men, not destroy lives. He came to save the world not condemn it.
@@thegracecast40 a fictional villain. Killed babies.
If she read the whole thing when she was 8, she probably understood less than 10% of it. Let's all just be honest.
She wanted to impress the audience with her voracious, intellectualism. 'I was a child prodigy in religious studies.' lol
She is on her high horse.
Right because she’s not a grown adult women speaking about it now right? She never read the book again after she was 8 right? Please stop it 😂
@@Prestonsworld202@Prestonsworld202 Dude, stop trippin'. I don't know if she has reread the Bible since age 8. I just know that 8-year-olds aren't smart enough to understand it.
A lot of folks been reading it their whole lives and still don’t understand it.
In the old testament it was Judah the son Jacob and the son begins the line of King David. Another element of this line is Lot who had Moab through incest with his daughter. Ruth is a direct descendant and King David is a direct descendant of Ruth.
I’m sorry this woman was brought up around a bunch of people that couldn’t help her understand the stories of the Bible. I’m 50 and have just recently became a Christian. I’ve heard of both of these stories because I’ve actually read the Bible. I enjoy hearing different people have different perspectives on the same story. It’s what makes us interesting as humans.
Jerry, tell me to my face that your SkyCunt god will burn me and see what happens.
David is immoral in the Bible while he's a messenger of god in the quran and is very ethical unlike the Bible version.
Not true the Bible clearly condones slavery as a perfect moral practice .
In clearly describes it as slavery in Exodus 21 and gives rules and conditions on how Jews can own slaves and how they can own fellow Jews as slaves by driving a spike through their ear to mark them as property .
Also In Leviticus God says "if a man lay with a man like he lay with a women he shall be put to death and his blood is on his own hands "
Clear as day !!
Also to stone to death unruly children and women who cheat on their husbands .
The Bible condoning murder and sitting it's own laws in place that it Deems morally acceptable .
The term they use is slavery so Christian apologist have a hard time getting around it .
Also it doesn't explain after God delivered mosses to the supposed promise land he then orders Moses and the Jews to slaughter the amolokites and amedenites and to take the women and children for themselves as slaves and to capture and take what's their and go to war with the neighboring nations around them .
The most PRECIOUS thing about the BIBLE, you will find YOURSELF !
READ IT, PLEASE 🙏
Take your time, verses and chapters will be read over and over again until you receive GREAT UNDERSTANDING !
its full of bullshit
@relhithrrdn ALL things work together for GOOD to them that LOVE JEHOVAH ❤️, to them who are called according to HIS purpose.
PLEASE 🙏 give yourself a chance to be CALLED 📞 , by JEHOVAH himself !
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This is in veggie tails 😂
100 Percent! lol great comment.
The one with the rubber ducky. I'm not sure why she thinks it's some secret controversial story.
@@jeremiahnoar7504 🤣 that's awesome. I totally agree. Sunday school stuff. I wonder why It was so weird to talk about like it couldn't be talked about. It's definitely talked about. This is a cake walk compared to some other biblical stories I've done sermons on.
Emojis are gay
I wonder what would happen if Joe and his friends tried to deconstruct quran or bagawad gita? Just wondering.
Quran? they would be killed by deranged zealots
I am an Arab and a Muslim and I can't deconstruct Quran or explain it you.. Simply because the Arabic used in the Quran is of a very high level.. Kinda like Shakespearean English.. Even though Americans and British read and right English doesn't give the the necessary knowledge to understand or explain Shakespeares works... Similarly, the "Ulama" or Muslim scholars have to go through alot and all of them are a Hafiz meaning fully memorised the Quran and whole bunch of hadiths... Hope that answers your question...
@@truelies5431You missed his point. He's saying people aren't allowed to question the stories in the Quran, and if Joe and this woman sat around, smoking cigars, saying how ridiculous some stories are in the Quran like they do in the Bible, Muslims would be outraged. Have you not noticed how it's perfectly acceptable to openly question & mock the Christian faith, but not any other religions?
@@cdburner2548Wanna make a Muslim angry? Ask them how old Mohammed's youngest wife was.
@@cdburner2548 thank you for taking time to reply... But yes I do get his point and explained why you shouldn't be doing that and why it is considered disrespectful to the people who actually put in all the work and effort.. Ask any Muslim people what they do to get their questions about quran or religion answered.. And that's how we do it... If you guys disrespect your own traditions... That's in you... We Muslims still have to respect Jesus and his followers.. And still disrespecting your belief doesn't give you the right to do the same to others
The story of David and Bathsheba was taught on frequently and preached on often enough by our pastor when i was growing up. Christians know these stories very well.
Plus there is a Richard Gere film about it (underwhelming by the way), and a Leonard Cohen song covered by numerous people including in a Simon Cowell show...
bruh Joe Rogan literally has the best podcast
This is like watching two orangutans play with a Rubik’s cube.
I love this comment, but that sounds cute, this is someone hallucinating about having a conversation with another person as they drool alone in the middle of the desert or something.
Yeah, it’s clearly dumb to question anything isn’t it?
@@pct2025 In order to question it, you need to have a correct understanding of it, otherwise you get 1×1=2 which is, incedently, what another of his guests claims.
@@lalonguecarabine4952 I’m sure 99.9% of people misunderstand the bible. It’s written by many people over time so you’re attempting to understand a wide spectrum of personalities, opinions and thoughts.
Btw, Terrence Howard is slightly crazy.
@@pct2025not mention your putting your trust in the original translators.
I'm glad you watermarked joe rogan's video. Wouldn't want people thinking joe rogan made the video or something
Why would the Old Testament authors include such embarrassing details with no “happy endings” in each book? It describes the constant failures and sin from Israel’s leaders, to prove the point that no man can conquer sin, we all need a savior. The Bible states this from the very beginning with Adam’s fall followed by God foreshadowing the need for a new Adam (Jesus) as God promised in Genesis 3 someone from Eve’s offspring would conquer the serpent and redeem mankind. All of it points to Christ.
That was like listening to children talk about their fathers job.
Jesus isn't going to redeem mankind, as for the last 2000+ year's a vast part of mankind neither needs or requires his assistance.
Genesis 6 other sons exist so John 3 16 lied
Amen, Brother.
The Old Testament is based on the Jewish Torah and was written in Hebrew. So no it doesn’t all point to Christ.
The Bible doesn't contradict Itself.
There are journeys' of people and their experiences.
Michelle starts by saying these stories have historical context. Proceeds to not include any of the cultural or historical context for the stories. JOE PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ON TH E SHOW WHO ACTUALLY CAN PROVIDE CONTEXT AND UNDERSTANDS THESE EVENTS/STORIES TOLD IN THE SCRIPTURES
Amen 🙏
Your "scriptures" are toliet paper. God in them murders babies.
Yes! Please!
why waste time with fairytale,its better when he invite people talking about reality like Neil D T,Bob Lazar or Paul Stamets instead of this kind of crap.
The thumbnail using a page from Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. Lol
It had a nice ending too, because the ghost got to move on to the afterlife. She was brutally murdered and a priest helped find her killer. He ended up giving the money she left behind to the church, at her request. Some ghosts just want someone to listen to them.
I was wondering where I had seen that pic. Thanks!
Thank you this is the comment I was looking for. I couldn't remember the name of that book.I remember when I was in elementary school that picture scared the crap out of me.
What is left out is what the Lord did to punish David for this evil act. Part of the greater story here in my opinion is. No matter the blessings the Lord God may grant and give you as well as your importance in the God's plan. We are all human and sinners capable or good and evil. No matter how important to God plan you are or are not, we all fall short of what it takes to get into Heaven. God knows this and this is why he sent Jesus to die for our sins, so that we can experience and fill the Kingdom of Heaven.
what is spoken here is true. the Creator of the universe loves you and wants a personal friendship and bond. you don't have to stop doing anything or try to clean your life up first. Jesus wants you as you are now. he will lead you down the path and you will be changed by his Holy Spirit. when you feel the pull on your heart answer the call. whosoever will can come freely.
God is the most evil person in Bible.
@@vaughnreedjr6592 You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about. Nor have you read the Bible or understand the Bible. I would highly encourage you to do that
@@vaughnreedjr6592the only ones who are evil in the Bible are the humans God is the perfect Judge and gives the people what they really deserve
@@mmartista3803 tell us more about how babies getting cancer are evil and get what they deserve or how millions dying in earthquakes, tornadoes and volcanoes deserved it. You're a phychos for believing that..
The story of David is about his sin and his repentance and the consequences of his sin because of what he did with Bethsheba. The thing that separated David from King Saul was that David was repentant. It took some convincing but David repented. When he became aware of the evil had committed he went before God in prayer. He was his sincere repentance that God honored, but it doesn’t mean that he didn’t have consequences for his sin. Least that’s how I understand it. I hope that helps you, Michelle, and Joe. (Michelle was my English teacher.)
she asks Joe if he's read the whole Bible. He says yes, but later admits no. Most people are like this. They've read 1% but will lie to you and say they've read 100%. Unlike Joe, most of the people I talk to will dig in and defend the lie. What good does that do? You want to retain your ideas not based in reality? (1) Read the whole thing for yourself. Not that hard. Sure, it's a long work, but not that long. Or (2) trust me when I tell you where you're wrong. Don't like that? See (1).
Thought they were going to talk about an actual "Dark Bible".
Same, like some possibly real almost definitely fake old relic you can only find on the “deep web”
Like from evil dead
Deep web? Man, its in most hidden crypts in the vatican catacombs guarded by the devil himself..
Grimoire
lol. If you’ve had 3 seconds of Bible study you know the story of David and the bastard child. She think really highly of herself
Aww someone butt hurt?
I love how SkyCunt god had babies bashed against rocks.
@@JetSkiSuper7 i forgot about that, and looks like they want to do the same
@@JetSkiSuper7 Found the angry queer preteen 💀💀
My thoughts exactly
I’m Jewish and we study Bible mandatory since kindergarten to high school and it’s even in the graduation exams. We hear and read all the good and bad and there are actually whole courses about the sins and wrong doings of the kings and prophets and all the main people…bet sheva’s story is one of the mild ones.
She's got a very witchy vibe about her. These stories are some of the most well known. Especially about David and the story of how lust wrecks lives.
Very. She admits this later when she "connects with nature"
You do know witches aren't real right... I like how everything's scary to man used to be human a witch is just a female. Dracula was just a dude. Same as the werewolf just some guy. Ghost used to be people Aliens are probably people... from the future😮 I guess what I'm saying is all of man's monsters are usually man. Except for Bigfoot but he's just a security guard for aliens.
@@DanielWhitesidewitches are very real and the Bibles says in the OT not to suffer a witch to live. Exodus 22:18 KJV
@@DanielWhiteside They are real, not in the fantasy sense no... but if you think witchcraft isn't practiced and isn't Satanic well. . . you're not studied on the occult. I very much am.
If you think it's not real look into Aleister Crowley and Marina Abramović just to name a couple. You seem to have the Hollywood and Halloween understanding of the terms, which shows your lack of understanding.
I have an amazing story. One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith.
So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana".
I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly…
I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling.
He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car.
A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
Thats wonderful...I know some people who were very close to the Lord and in later years say things like
"I just wish I could feel his presence like I used to"
Sometimes I wonder who's the one who really walked away ..him or us?
I think it's great you are very preceptive to the Lords presence and can tell when his Spirit is speaking to you.
Always be listening, always be ready when he calls on you.
Please pray for me..my name is Vijay..I'm from india
Nirvana rules
@@vijaykrishna8382💯
That's awesome! We never know when it's truly him in this time so I allways pray that those times get looked back on when we're even closer to our lord.
She’s wrong the modern day Protestant Bible has 66 but originally had 80 or somewhere in the 70’s. Catholic Bible to this day has 73. Orthodox Bible has anywhere from 70’s something to 80.
Proof that we are all sinful ppl but despite that GOD loves us and gave his son for us ❤JESUS IS KING ❤
Amen!
She just told you the story of God killing a baby...
@@weirdmonkeyfish I thought children were automatically innocent?
@@grrggasior7340 yea, thats why God isnt good. Thats what i meant to say by my comment.
There is a reason why seminary students (at least in most evangelical seminaries) are required to study Hebrew, ancient cultures, language forms, etc. There is a cultural context that must be understood. And these things are not hidden from anyone; are commonly discussed in most churches, and if someone hasn't heard them, then one ought to question what sort of church you have been attending.
Dang they’ve twisted up so much in this video! God didn’t command David to sleep with Bathsheba, it’s a historical account of what happened. David did so many great things in his life but he’s human just like the rest of us and did horrible things too then was severely punished for them.
The Bible doesn’t teach that women are second class citizens in fact, feminists would love how valued women were viewed (especially compared to other civilizations).
The Bible didn’t condone slavery either. Its historical account of the horrors of the enslaved Israelites was recorded then God brings the smack down on the Egyptians for the horrible things they did to the slaves.
In the mosaic law, there are 3 parts- moral law (10 commandments given at Mt. Sinai) civil law (the laws given to the recently freed Israelites after wandering the desert and having a plethora of civil issues) and the ceremonial law (how to conduct yourselves when making offerings to God).
The civil law began because Moses was in a predicament. There were millions of people (12 tribes of Israel) trying figure out how to be it’s own society with law and order.
At first, Moses sat down and everyone who had conflict lined up to tell Moses what happened then Moses would decree what needs to happen. This was inefficient and not sustainable so his father-in-law recommended appointing Elders in every tribe to handle issues as well as laws to govern the people.
Back then, if someone stole from you, for example, the perpetrator was required to pay them back plus tax. If they couldn’t, they were required to pay them back with 7 years of indentured servitude then freed (unless they wanted to stay). There were rules about how to treat them and they were considered a part of the family unit. Back then, people really relied on each other because there was so much hard labor that needed to be done to survive.
This punishment of indentured servitude is completely different than how we view slavery. And God doesn’t ever command us to have slaves.
Here’s another interesting and violent Bible story for the comment section. There was a leader of the Canaanite army named Sisera. He and his soldiers were fighting against the Israelites under a leader named Barak. Sisera’s army fell and all of them were killed, but Sisera himself ran away. A lady named Jael saw him outside her house and she told him to come inside, that she was a friend and would protect him. He went in with her and she gave him milk to drink and a blanket. He told her to watch the door, and if anyone came by, to say that she was alone in the house. She agreed to this and Sisera laid on the floor with the blanket and fell asleep. Jael then took a hammer and nail, while Sisera was asleep, and drove it through his temple and nailed his head to the floor of her house. She left him just like that, and eventually Barak came by, still hunting Sisera. Jael met Sisera outside and told him she had the man he was looking for, and led him to the dead Sisera, his head still spiked to the floor.
Edit: Judges 4:14-22 if you want to read it for yourself
One of my favorite stories. JAEL is a true hero!
@@yaee123 The fact you think this savage, barbaric murderer is 'heoic' is concerning.
You should put chapter in verse to lead people to the story. Most people are lazy and won't investigate unless you point them directly to it.
@@RichardSorel-r1c Good call, I added it.
Deborah and Jael is one of my favorite stories! This is a great example of how God does use women in authority. There's so much to learn from Deborah's story (Jael is just part of it). There's some great devotionals about it in the Bible app, you version.
I wish she has a pastor to shepherd her
Always love hearing "women most affected" thrown into any random story like this.
I know! lol Oh the patriarchy!!!
why would you want to start shit? isn't the stupid men vs women war bad enough?
@@Hermes-TheMessenger My point exactly 👍
I grew up in church and the only stories that weren't taught were 2 in i think Judges. The first is were a crowd demanded that a stranger in town be given to them so they could rape him, but the man hosting the stranger instead gave them his female servant. So they beat and gang raped the girl and afterwards, she crawls back to her masters house and dies outside his front door. If i remember right, this starts a big conflict where cities go to war with one another. The second is when a man prays to God for victory in battle and promises to sacrifice the first thing that approaches him when he gets home. So after the fight his daughter who is his only child is the first to approach him. He then lets his daughter go and grieve her virginity on a mountain with her friends for a time, and when she returns he sacrifices her.
That first one is essentially a representation of the historicity of God separating himself from Israel. The woman being raped by strangers and then murdered by her master (literally dismembered and her parts sent across all of Israel) is one of the strongest examples of how far the culture had fallen at the time, "that such a thing could happen here" is basically what everyone's response was, which is why conflict arose from it. The heaviest aspect of it being that the woman's master had become so callous that he didn't just let her die on his doorstep, he disrespected her corpse and let everyone else know about it. It was one of the ultimate examples of the fall from grace at that time in the nation's history.
I was expecting the story of Jepthah's daughter as well. I think that is one of the most terrifying stories in the Bible. What an ignorant deal to make!
First story sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah
Her telling of the stories are incomplete, but Joe was smart to think there's layer to these complex plots
what complex plots... its all fiction
@@mikescorpio13 truth beyond your materialistic wit bro
@@mouikafa-qn1gn i have reach enlightment at 5 years old so your assumption about my materialistic wit are incorrect just like your delusions about bible stuff. Oh and no im not you bro just like the rocks in my driveway are not my bros either.
@@mikescorpio13 And what does your enlightenment gave you? Do you have anything better to offer than having some, yeah as you might say, delusional hope beyond this life? Tell me, I might change my view.
Spotify needs to add a search option so I could just search the name of the guest on your show and go directly to it
Create in me a clean heart ,oh god , and renew a right spirit within me .....
Psalm 51 David's prayer. ❤❤❤
The first time I went to Sunday School was when I was visiting relatives for a wedding. The story for that Sunday?
Abraham being commanded by God to make a human sacrifice of his son Isaac.
And what did you gleen from the story?
@@justonetime112 Now I know it was a test for the great patriarch but back then I took it as a brutal bronze age story, even when the angel stopped him.
@@justonetime112It's about how Abraham abandoned child sacrifice which was a common feature of Middle Eastern religions at the time
I don't understand how an 8 year old could even comprehend half of the words or meanings in the Bible.... I'm 33 and I still get confused reading it. 😂
Try a different translation 🤷♂️ HCSB or NIV
If you read Hamlet, Shakespeare, Tolstoj - you can understand better. I read all of these before 5th grade.
she said that i thought; ''ok shes a super genius or a good liar''
@@DeathStarPokeball Likewise 😂
Depends on which version you read. Try reading the Hebrew -Greek-English version and you will be left confused all day. I understand why it was translated in simpler versions.
Man… the way she smack that cigars is intriguing 😅
Joe blowing smoke in her face 🤣🤣🤣
“ I read the Bible when I was 8 years old, cover to cover, you’re not gonna believe how much it gets wrong."
Gets wrong about what
She didn't say that most of this stuff is wrong
I was a self proclaimed Bible Scholar at birth. The best story was let there be light. God opened the door with life and light.
I call bulldshit on that too. To read the entire Bible in less than a year (she would need to in order to read in cover to cover at one age) would take quite a commitment. Maybe she started reading at 8. Maybe she read a decent amount of it at 8. But I think I unlikely she finished it before she turned 9.
That "dirty David" part really got me 😂😂😂
3:19
I am Catholic and I was taught about Lilith years ago
Rotting woman in the thumbnail is from Scary Stories to tell in the dark. That book creeped me out when i was like 13.
I miss that book series!!
The Toe Lady! Literally wearing a shirt with the same illustration rn 🤣
I thought I was the only one who noticed. We friends now
I’m an adult and it still gives me the creeps. That ghost lady was horrifying, but at least she ended up a good guy.
If you go to Sunday school you hear all the stories of David…..come on now😂🤣😂
I know, what's with the both of them? Joe acts like he was forced to learn about Christianity in school. In the 70's in Florida? huh? He must have gone to a Christian private school. If that were the case, an opportunity most kids didn't have; and it appears none of it stuck.
Right on. It’s sometimes surprising how little westerners know about the Bible. Then again, I know that most people barely read anything at all.
@@michaelrobertson1736 There is no universal experience of “westerners” when it comes to these things. If you are trying to say Americans then just say it.
The Bible can be rough because it has a lot of beautiful things to say but also stories that are not for the faint of heart. I remember setting out to read the whole Bible when I was 18 and I think I stopped a couple of books into it. The Old Testament is brutal. I ended up doing it again and actually finishing it. Proverbs, Psalms, Job, Ecclesiastes, all beautiful books with great wisdom and knowledge. I still struggle with faith and religion to this day. Show me a picture of an orangutan and I can’t help but see a distant relative. This life is very weird when you get into a deep thought about it lol anyways, hope y’all have a good day!
I agree and have had similar experiences. Initially couldn’t believe ecclesiastes was authored by the same as proverbs, well until the end of course, but we all have doubts and struggles of faith (some more than others) but I want to encourage you to listen to that tugging on your heart saying “yes I AM real” for surely He is. B blessed
@@Dayzthoseweres Thank you! Hey if there’s anything that gets me closer to believing, it’s watching the news haha this world is clearly fallen.
@@LRM5195 you ain’t lying lol, bible prophecies unfolding before us, hard to discern which ones tho as john wrote in revelations things seen both in the physical and spiritual realm… hope to meet u someday upstairs and we can both say with relief WE MADE IT!
Orangutans are distant relatives. The same genetics that can pinpoint your relatives in a group of a million people, tells us what we descend from and who else descended from that. Our cousins - Neanderthals are extinct but most of us have gene lines altered by humans mating with this particular species.
There goes my Online Sabbath, thank you Joe and Cigar smoking Hippie Lady, that was a cool Sermon
Lmaooooooooooooooooo
It cracks me up that people are surprised that the history in the Bible lines up with times that it was written in.
Wait, are you telling me bad things have happened in human history?!?? 😱
Its recorded history even if it is embelished or people dont belive in God... there were canaanites, and the city Ur and jericho, and babylon existed etc.
@@cotybare9720 its the word of the al knowing God, is it not? Is God stuck in the ancient past?
Its because the religious love to claim that its morality is for all time
That story is about Judah, the son of Jacob who became known as Israel. Rehab and Ruth are also in the line of Christ. There IS a message in that, at least, I have found one for me.
So what is the message?
I can’t explain why, but it’s weird to be discussing the Bible and smoking cigars.
I can explain why. You were conditioned...
No, it isn't weird, and I CAN explain why--you are imposing your cultural view of smoking as "bad" or "rebellious" onto the situation. What if they were drinking alcohol while discussing the Bible? What if it was beer? Whiskey? How about wine? Is wine better, since the Bible discusses wine more often, or do you associate religion with "lack of alcohol"? The Bible doesn't forbid smoking or drinking. It permits drinking and forbids alcoholism (or excessive drunkenness). Smoking is not mentioned.
Why? This comment makes no sense.
@@SalvableRuin because its cringe af
@@merbalee don’t be obtuse because you don’t like the question.
The thumbnail is showing Scary Stories to tell in the Dark II. 😂 That particular picture was introduced to me in 6th grade.
Nathan calls David out for this behavior .... she has no idea what she is talking bout ... the Bible doesn't hide the flaws of its heroes ... this woman has no idea what she is talking bout
Thanks. You know her type. She will hear her story again at Judgement
If these stories were from random scrolls found in Egypt,
Joe would be marveling at how Humans were just as crazy back then as we are today.. but since they came from the Bible, he acts like we have to be careful when reading them 😂
Right! If someone said that they found these stories on a metal tablet on the moon he'd believe it.
The Bible is the word of God. You should be careful when reading it. There is no comparison between THE BIBLE and "random scrolls."
@@SalvableRuinare you out of your mind where do you think the Bible comes from😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jeremyhodges7956the Bible isn’t from random scrolls, it’s literally diaries of people who met Jesus or were directly contracted by God. They aren’t random scrolls just found laying around😂, you’re an idiot.
100 percent
Joe be playing "from Boston" card when in reality he from and has lived everywhere
He's said plenty of times he moved around a lot
He has zero Boston voice to him. If lived there must’ve been a far off Suburb and for a few years. Guys like all under 5-8 men. Small man syndrome
He does play up “I’m from Boston” a lot though
Its always nice to hear a 8 year old's perspective...
The Torah (The first five Books of Moses) are the only books proposed to have been written with direct dictation from God.
Did he slam those down out of anger as well?
Said who? YouknowwhatIamsaying…
@Joefest99 ok 🤡
Another interesting thing, in the old days men didn't ask for "permission " to get laid
They always are in shock & dismay over It condoning slavery (BONDSERVANTS paying a debt owed to people with their service & were freed after 7 years unless they chose to stay as a beloved part of that family) leaving out how God disapproves of harsh evil American slavery.
Don't forget the Jubilee every 50 years....
As a Gainesville native who just watched Jesus revolution I love this
Dark like Debera’s counterpart driving a spike into a guy’s head in Judges?
Or the King that got his eyes put out right after witnessing his son’s throats cut in front of him by Nebuchadnezzar all because he wouldn’t do as asked in the book of Jeremiah?
Or the book of Lamentations which details the conditions of a besieged city where the people were left to eat their offspring to survive?
Or the ones obese King who was stabbed in his chambers to where the fat rolls came up to the hilt of the sword?
The Bible is full of crazy stories.
Who hasn’t heard of this
6:18 That's exactly what it means.
🙏💫When You Believe In Gods you believe in Angels and Angels Are beings living in outer space like aliens and when Jews go to Israel Daisy Giants they are Palestinians🙏🙏🙏
Agree with Joe.
When it comes to the Bible and any other organised religion, one needs to be a sceptic.
He read the Bible and doesn’t know these stories. Time to read it again, Joe.
With the Holy Spirit
To those who don’t believe its folly to us who do its the power of God
I will pray for these two
He never wasted his time with the utter worthless books these stories are found in.
@@acesius393 amen lol
@@acesius393 then your life has no meaning and you can never prove that what you deem as your life's meaning is truly the one purpose.
Theres no way she read the bible and understood it cover to cover at 8yrs
I don't remember her saying she understood it completely. I mean, you can literally listen to her words. You don't have to add words that weren't spoken. She even mentions having *and asking questions about what she read.
There's no way you watched this 2 minute video and missed what was actually said.
My son is named Uriah because of his loyalty.
How did you know he would be loyal?
Uria is also what makes pee smell so... There's that.
That makes no sense.
Hahahaha, ok.
I named my son Uriah also.... but after the band Uriah Heep.
My favorite is Ezekiel 23:20
She said she read the Bible at 8 years old and acts like she’s an expert… it’s absolutely impossible for someone to comprehend what their reading in the Bible at that age.
They're * eight years old or not(surely she's read more since then) she still has read more than most people she talks to.
This lady thinks of the BIBLE as a twilight movie series 🧐🤨
Because the Christians themselves aren't eh?😂
She read the "Lil' Bastard's" version of the Bible.
I know; she read the whole bible cover to cover when she was 8. She obviously didn't read the part about lying.
A common trend with people who simply scratch the surface of the Bible. Many are so prideful that they truly believe that they're going to find something over two thousand years of scholars have not known about already. So instead of asking: "What did these people know that I do not know?" They say: "I know what these people do not know." They have their reward.
I think people like Mr. Rogan should not take her word for it but should fact check these stories.
Ayy lowkey tho
This is in the Bible . It isn't her story. Go read a Bible. 🤣🤣🤣
Go and read the whole story about Lot and his daughters. The whole thing is disgusting!! What the lady just told is true.
@@karenmunoz969 Yes the story of Lot and his daughters plainly shows what can happen when u go against the will of God and drink urself into oblivion. The angels sent to save Lot and his family "escape to the hills, lest u b swept away." Gen. 19:18. But Lot wanted to go to a near by small city, Gen.19:20. He didn't want to go where God was leading him. When we chose to do what WE want instead of following what is plainly God's will for is the result is disgusting.
I generally agree, but from what I understand, those stories are right. That’s the main issue I have with Joe.
The bible does not contradict itself. It's how its interpreted.
the new testament rules out the old one. Jesus came and changed alot of old teachings. Christ is King!
Interpret these nuts on ur chin
"It's how its interpreted."
Oh okay, "Thou shalt not kill" and "Thou shalt not commit adultery" were more just hypothetical suggestions, rather than actual contemporary legal theory if anything...
Her ignorance is astounding.
True if she only know all this stories is exampel of what human will do.have the stories in book of ezikle were the celebrities and famous people like Joe do ritual and make deal with demon im pretty sure she want bring it up.
True if she only know all this stories is exampel of what human will do.have the stories in book of ezikle were the celebrities and famous people like Joe do ritual and make deal with demon im pretty sure she want bring it up.
People blaming this lady are the problem. We all know the story yes but as a catholic I can confirm u will NEVER hear that part of David’s story during the mass. Only the heroic parts which is what she meant. We know what we tryna promote and we hide the darker stories but that’s not the way. Everything should be laid out