Both Messi and C.Ronaldo compete at this age but still they cannot break Pele Record, pele Rate and he is also best in Dribbling,pace , Skillful style , Free-kicker , Heading , defence that Messi and Ronaldo couldn't do that 👍
Messi is incredible. But I see a lot of disrespect here in relation to Pelé who practically modernized football, he was a pioneer in being the best of the best, what we now call Goat. Understand once and for all that this man's merit is to be extremely innovative, just like Newton and Gravity, Ford and his production line, Tesla and electricity. Take all the advanced technology and football knowledge between (1977 - present), of which he was certainly the biggest contributor, and watch me say in the most sly way that Gareth Bale would be better than Pele in his time. NO ONE WAS BETTER THAN PELÉ IN HIS TIME. The Brazilian championship was better than any other European. That's history, it's no use looking at European football and thinking that it was always superior to South American football, that's just spitting on football history. Of the top 4 of all time, 3 are from there. Now think of the time of Pelé, who had incredible numbers and averages, when the stars barely went to Europe and stayed in their clubs in South America.
They went to Europe then, just Pele didn't. Pele's stats where better in every category except the last two which are more about the club than the player.
@@VenturaITIn Pelé's time, Europe was level with Brazil. Just remember the team from 1958 to 1970. Some of the best players were Brazilian, not just Pelé
@@VenturaIT Pele' wasn't allowed to go to Europe. The biggest clubs were all interested in him, that alone should mean something. But Anyway, he was a "National Treasure" and by presidential and congressional decree he was not allowed t leave Brazil to play or other teams.
@@alexander1688 In 1958 he scored 6 goals starting in the quarterfinals, including a hat-trick in the semifinal against France and 2 goals in the final In 1962 he was injured in the 2nd round, but he didn't erase the title. It's like saying that Messi didn't win 4 champions, because in 2006 he hardly even played, besides the World Cup in Pelé's time had fewer games than it has today, wanting to compare the number of games is stupid
Pele campeon del mundo a los 17 años! Pele 3 campeonatos del mundo Pele hizo todo antes que nadie Pele invento jugadas,. La paradiña,auto pase con el contrario,jugada sin balon, Jugo en todas las posiciones hasta de arquero y no le convirtieron, cabezazo maravilloso, hizo todo lo que vemos hoy mucho antes ...indudablemente el mas grandioso jugador de todos los tiempos .
@@Newbruno7 Yo también lo vi jugar. las reglas eran diferentes. Los jugadores jugaron más lento para conservar energía, porque no hubo SUSTITUCIONES como hoy. Al final del partido no hubo tandas de penales. Los juegos debían repetirse. De ahí que la conservación de la energía fuera muy importante.
Dans 30 ans, l'histoire retiendra encore que Pelé a été et sera toujours le roi du football et on continuera à chercher le joueur qui pourra le détrôner. Tant qu'il n'y aura pas un grand joueur avec au moins 2 coupes du monde, ce sera très difficile.
You do know that, there’s currently 24 players with two world cups. Also, let’s be honest, the World Cup was much easier to win in Pele’s time than today and they had less games, now more countries especially in Europe have heavily invested in their football to the point that winning just 1 World Cup is becoming a miracle, for example, for 60 years, no other country has won a back to back World Cup since Brazil in 1962, nowadays even Brazil struggles to get past any European team they meet
Pele stomps. People say backyard goals and if you really want you dont have to include those goals but those goals were scored against the best clubs in Europe including Inter and Real Madrid. Not only that Santos was the best club in the world because of Pele ans the Brazilian league was not a farmers league back then.
Pelé opps are ridicolous go to check how play the sweden in a match. Lidolm the people say is good but when he run i start to smile. Now the football is grow up if messi played in that era he was 7 level more Than Pelé in that era
If you see his stats with unofficial games he becomes even better, like in 1959 when he had 127 goals in a calander year and a 1.9 goal per gane ratio. He dud this while being 17. This man is on another level
Pele had played the Copa libetadores 3 times (becasue of his international tours with Santos), he won 2 times and also won the intercontinental cup in these 2 times which is a match between the chamapions league winners of Europe and copa libetadores winners and the third time in 1965 he was top scorer. He also played in only 2 copa americas in 1957 and 1959 when he was 16 and 18 accordingly. In 1959 Brazil was second place to Argentina and Pele was the best player. He was also fouled 98 times in 6 games, that's probably why he never participated in it again (because Brazil deemed him too valuable to the world cup and didn't want him to get injured at the overrated Copa America). Also I would like to jote about disregarding his unofficial matches. In his time unofficial matches had a more significant role than today. Media and Clubs themselves would include them in their statistics, so to not include them because they were unofficial is to disregard a critical part of Pele's career. He has the most goals in a calander year (127 in 75 games in 1959 when he was 18) and he has one of the highest goal per game ratios in a calander year (110 goals in 63 games in 1961 when he was 20 if I'm not mistaken). He is simply on another level. I think he is the undisputed GOAT.
@@VenturaITWhat about playmaking stats, Key Passes, goals in finals, Pass % ratio, Dribble % Ratio, Trophies (i understand pele couldn't leave Brazil, but that doesn't change the fact that he never won a major club trophy). Goals and Assists (Ratio doesn't matter, because messi played longer than Pele. When you play longer, your numbers don't continue to be as they were when you were 26, 27, 28, 29 because you get older. Messi at 35 was still playing intense football in top leagues and as he got older couldn't hit the same numbers as he did 5 years ago. I can assure you, if this video was 5 years ago that Messi would have a higher goal ratio for the games he played back then. Granted he would have less goals than Pele, but lets not forget pele usually played as a ST, SS or CF which is why he got more goals). Pele also played a large portion of his career in MLS.
@@ohpls At the time Europe and South America had equal levels so much so that in friendlies that are not considered official but against strong teams Santos de Pelé destroyed everyone he faced.
Vamos ver essa comparação mais de perto 😅😅 *Messi* 5 copas disputadas (2006,2010,2014,2018,2022) Copas vencidas 1(2022) 26 jogos 13 gols 8 assistência Média G+A=0.81 *Pelé* 4 copas disputadas( 1958, 1962, 1966,1970) Copas vencidas 3(1958,1962,1970) 14 jogos 12 gols 8 assistência G+A= 1.44 Quem foi melhor 👀?
@@BTPStories are you crazy? who told you that? Romario and Ronaldo were strikers. Garrincha and Jairzinho were forwards. Pele was a forward mid field. He was the brain (see all Brazil goals in the WC of 1970), the racer (as Messi was in the past) and everything else. Even as a goalie he was great.
Apart from penalties n physical height, Messi > CR in every aspect...Now the debate should b officially over n agree that Lionel Andres Messi is the 🐐 on n off the pitch...period....
Pelé reste le meilleur. Ceux qui disent qu'il n'a pas joué en Europe doivent savoir qu'à l'époque où Pelé jouait, les clubs sud américains étaient plus forts que les clubs européens. Pour cela il n'y a qu'à voir les confrontations en coupe intercontinentale, les clubs sud américains avaient plus de victoires à cette époque. Et puis tous les joueurs sud américains jouaient dans leur continent.
Nobody realizes the fact that pele had a strong team when he was winning those world cups but messi had to struggle like hell with players like gonzalo bullshit higuan and shit coaches around that time He had to carry the team on his back whereas pele was carried by his team In my opinion,Pele might have invented all kind of skills but messi completes football and he is the greatest player ever in football❤️
Peles team was definitely insane. I mean there was jairzinho in the 1970 world cup who scored in each and every game of the tournament that year. Garrincha who carried aswell. And many more if i start naming them this will become a paragraph.
Pele' e' il giocatore piu' completo della storia del calcio e la sua carriera con tre Mondiali e 1283 goals oltre ai tanti trofei vinti con il suo club, il Santios, lo rende unico e ineguagliabile.
Hahahaha solo 745 gol . 1250 sono partite amichevole. Brasile ha vinto anche senza pele. Era il brasile piu forte...per me messi ha superato sia pele sia maradona. Messi pele maradona are the betlst ever.
@@raulshiro6239 Ah ah ah pensa quello che vuoi tu .Messi non ha affatto superato Pele' sia come caratteristiche individuali sia come carriera. Può ' essere comparato a Maradona ma non a O' Rey che resta unico nella storia del calcio .
@@camillofaiella6104 fifa riconosce solo gol officiali non mentire. Pele ha 7 palloni d ori ( gli ha conseganto fiffa siccome non aveva diritto di vincere pallone d oro). Messi se vince questo pallone d oro lo supera. Messi ha segnato di piu...ha fatto piu assist...ha vinto di piu.
@@raulshiro6239 Hai un po' ' le idee confuse. I goal sono 1283 puoi stare tranquillo. Messi non ha vinto tre Mondiali e il Pallone d' oro non c' entra nulla nel confronto con Pele'. Qui bisogna considerare oltre la carriera che pone Edison Arantes do Nascimento comunque gia' al numero 1 nella storia in quanto e ' l' unico calciatore tre volte Mondiale, le caratteristiche personali.O' Rey abbinava qualita' tecniche e fisiche, atletiche. Aveva estrp, fantasia, dribbling, visione di gioco, forza muscolare, capacita' di calciare alla stessa maniera con destro e sinistro, gioco aereo , in acrobazia , tutto con grande velocità. Messi come tanti altri fuoriclasse non sono completi come Pele'. Menotti, Biliardo,Basile ,ex grandi allenatori argentini , cosi' giocatori come Mario Kempes, Bochini ed altri lo hanno riconosciuto.
Messi 🐐He is 35yo and he still playing and even then he leads in every statistical category, has more goals, more assists, more récords, more titles, more individual awards (incl. Ballon d’Or, Golden Shoes & WC Golden Ball) more goals in finals, most assists in history, better h2h record.
@@michaeltrumph121 Messi is 3 times better than Pele and doesn't play in the dinosaur era. Also has more titles, awards and broke all Pele récords in south américa and has more goals and assist in all competition including World Cup and Copa América.
@@sephirothangelsaz4468 _Messi is 3 times better than Pele_ Only for you little kids. _and doesn't play in the dinosaur era._ In 50 years from now, people are gonna say the same about Messi's era. Era doesn't matter, players need to be judged based on what they did in their own era. _Also has more titles_ Simply cause he played for an uber team against weak opposition. _and broke all Pele récords in south américa_ He didn't break any. Pele has 3 World Cups, Messi only has 1, and it was rigged for him. _and has more goals and assist in all competition including World Cup and Copa América._ Messi played way more matches, Pele's ratio is still far better. Messi needed 26 World Cup games to score 13 goals, and half of those are from penalties. Pele scored 12 goals in 14 matches.
@@michaeltrumph121 good comment. but Messi played many times against the best teams, it's a strange claim. but so much is true, and the truth must be judged by the era and by the help. without Pele, Brazil didn't have a World Cup, after Pelé until Romário in 1994 they had nothing. Brazil is a strong team, but without a super player and leader, they can't do anything
Messi aún no supera a Maradona y ya superó a Pelé? Pelé podía ocupar cualquier puesto en la cacha por lo bueno que era, fue campeón a los 17 años, siendo el mejor en dicho torneo, así como en México 70. Ganó 3 copas del mundo de 4 en que participó, fue el mejor cabeceador de la historia del fútbol. Físicamente ni que hablar, pues fungía hasta de marcador o defensa, era un jugador multifuncional. En cuanto a títulos, ningún futbolista afamado se le acerca al brasileño, siendo 2 copas intercontinentales y 2 copas libertadores algunas de sus muchas prohezas, en un tiempo en que había menos torneos internacionales que ahora... Quieren más? Es el máximo goleador del fútbol con 1283 tantos, tiene la marca de 8 goles en un solo partido, es el máximo exponente de jugadas como el autopase sin tocar el balón, paredes con el cuerpo de los rivales...hasta sus desaciertos son legendarios, como sus " casi goles"; a propósito: en que mundial fue trascendental Messi, tiene alguno como el de Maradona en Méjico 86? Dejen a un lado el fanatismo o apasionamiento, el futbol no es solo regate o tiro libre.
Nostalgia merchants. Why do you believe the norm that if something is old it is gold. We dont read books backwards. Everything only progress with time except our moral values
Pele' made 1282 goals in total (Messi only less than 900 in total! Not counting junior games, but counting friendly senior games!), no one can beat that mark! O.98 goals per game average!!! He played more than 100 games in Europe with the same average of 0.98 gols per game (Messi's average is 0.8 per game!). Wan 3 world cups (national) and 2 world cup for his club (Santos)!!! No one can beat that!!! Pele's friendly games goals should also count as almost all were played in Europe against top european teams of the time and the goal's average of Pele' is the same in friendly games as in official games. So the difficulty level was the same. Plus the amount of official games per year today is superior now than it was before, but the average of goals per official game of Pele' is much superior than that of Messi, even if one counts only official games (0.9 for Pele' and 0.8 goals per game for Messi). Playing much more official games, anyone (really anyone!) can make more goals. All you have to do is to play until you are 50 in a small weak league. Like Cristiano now in Arabia or China. Plus: You know that Barcelona bought games in La Liga, so all Messi's goals in La Liga will be invalidated in this dispute. Look up the scandal this year: 1.5 million euros payed for referees between 2016 and 2018. This invalidates many Messi's goals made with penalty kick, in the period! THEN There is only one king!
Still no counting playing games against soldiers never gonna count for Pele No official games in senior games still no counting like CR7 goals against PSG or Messi against Al nssr or Boca juniors Messi had more world cup golden ball 2>1 World cup club 3>2 títtles 43>37 Coup america 1>0 Pele lose against Argentina Champions/liberators: 4>2 Ballon d´or 8>7 is gonna happen the 30 of october ETC Pele won a world cup with president of fifa helping Garrincha lol Messi is better in everything to Pele except in world cup títtles only lol
Just a couple of things: - Pelé's goals were without penalties - Pelé had to deal to play without the existance of yellow cards for most of his career. He was constantly kicked and fouled - Pelé was more complete physically and in hability, also a better defender - Better per game stats - Pelé could have easily be even better if he were born in today's time. You can't really say that about Messi - And true or not, Messi's Barcelona time is stained by controversy as is the Qatar World Cup
The greatest genius in the history of football, top scorer, assistant, he could kick with both feet, run like a sprinter, he was creative, original, could jump high for precise headers... he could do free kicks with precision and powerfully with a heavy ball and primitive boots...always the most dominant player and a respected leader on the pitch, he could take blows... Perfect control of the ball at the exact time, with beautiful, precise and natural movements, without exaggerating, towards the goal, with anticipated vision, efficient, even sometimes kicking the ball at the opponent player's own leg to get it back ahead, perfect positioning... everything went right for him since he was 16...record holder...1282 goals (inside and outside the major leagues and in fewer games than Messi and CR7, so Pele has a goal average per game superior to both) all in serious games, 3 World Cups... he overcame the racism of the time, and became famous in the world without needing to be in big teams or being helped by the best players. Without paid internet companies to promote himself, 50 years after he stopped playing here we are still talking about the unbeatable King of Football. He took Santos, a team that no one knew internationally, to be world champion twice... Pelé WAS THE ORIGINAL 10! The rest have flaws in their careers.
No, you forget today, coaches have a lot of power of how players play and the game is now to structured with less freedom because a lot of money is involved, so managers don’t want to lose their jobs. In pele time, players had a lot more freedom on the pitch, and defenders today are more organized than the ones of 50 years ago
Messi have a well documented professional career against REAL clubs. While, 70% of Pele goals and assists are on the obscure “campeonato paulista” against small town teams that no longer exist, and where most of the games ended up with ridiculous scores such as 12-1 or 14-0. Besides, Pele lied about his goals and assists counting even the ones that he played on the Brazilian army. A full blatant lier.
In fact, Paulistão was one of the most disputed championships and the most profitable for Pelé's Santos, So much so that they refused to play tournaments like the Libertadores to focus on national championships and friendlies (which were only friendly in name) as they were more profitable and could prove themselves more, So much so that in the only two they participated they won and in the intercontinental against the Champions League winners they also came out on top. It is very ignorant to belittle all this, just look at what Pelé's Santos did to Eusébio's Benfica, Champions League champions in the intercontinental final, It was for this reason that Real Madrid, 5-times Champions League champions in a row, refused invitations to play a friendly against Santos and refused to play in a final because they were going to get them. And Pelé didn't lie about his goals, they are all documented, so much so that even the former president of FIFA and the Guinness Book itself made the record and the goals official. Yes, there are websites and documents with all the matches he played and scored goals. This thing about official goals is something recent, they use it to magnify the present and diminish everything that was done in the past using anachronism. - Just one correction, he couldn't lie about his goals and assists, as they were recorded by sports journalists, FIFA, IFFHS and clubs all over the world. And a tournament is no excuse, Barcelona itself is tired of scoring goals against third division teams in the Copa del Rey, La Liga and pre-season tournaments, and guess where 70% of Messi's goals come from? Remembering that even friendly matches are official nowadays if organized by FIFA and they count. Diminishing one in favor of the other says more about the speaker than their greatness.
Pele is great in scoring goals and assists and only has 3 world cup trophies, but messi is God who has everything, he has everything he is the most complete player ever not only goals and assists but trophies and all the awards he has
@@BTPStories Are you insane ? it seems like you have not seen Pele play. Pele was a striker on paper, but he played like a CAM and dropped deep into the midfield. His playing style is very similar to Messi. But Pele is far more complete than Messi. He also posses physicality and CR7s qualities. He can score on headers, he has great shot accuracy and shot power, he can shoot powerful long rangers, he is strong like a bull and could shoot equally with both feet. Pele can do everything Messi can do, but Messi cant do everything Pele can do. Pele is more complete and that makes it more difficult to stop Pele. As playmakers, both are on the same level. As goalscorers, both are also on the same level. As a dribbler, Messi is slightly better than Pele.
Just correcting Pele had 367 assists in his career despites some sources says 370, 367 is the most likely number. He was a pioneer with Di Stefano on the concept of "playmaker".
Without debate 😭😭😭 i like messi much more 😭😭😭 i never watched pele 😭😭😭 i don't know how football worked at that time 😭😭😭 therefore messi is the best 👍🏼 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Messi cant be the GOAT by winning a rigged/pre-fixed World cup, where he was awarded up to 5 penalties over 7 games. 4 out of his 7 goals were scored on penalties. At least, Pele won the WC in 1958 and 1970. And he did not need free penalties from the referee to win. He won FAIRLY. The same cannot be said about the WC 2022.
well, if we take into consideration all indicators like stats on an individual level, consistency, trophies won on club/national level, overall game/qualities and how complete a player is, and what kind of circumstances a player performed under. Then the GOAT debate is only between Pele and Messi. Its a very tough one. But, in my eyes, Pele would win. He is more complete than Messi, thats what makes him better.
You can’t compare the two. They were born in completely different eras and one developed watching the other. A more fair statement would be that they were both the best of their time.
Nah!!! U can compare, Pele is clear as day from night, lmao what do u mean u can't compare? This generation should be ashamed for even bringing up this comparison 😂
Just to put this in perspective, Messi just won his first World Cup 2 months ago. The last time Pele was in a World Cup was over half a century ago. The game has changed a lot. It’s like comparing Deontay Wilder to Jack Johnson in boxing.
@@SMLTPerry why not compare deontay wilder to Mike Tyson? Or Muhammad Ali? Then, now!!! The sport doesn't change its still same rules, same way it's been played, same result, Technology and the world as a whole has evolved to make everything a lot much easier, but for some reason football remained difficult, infact it became difficult than before, scientifically and psychologically u Messi fanboys make zero sense....talk to me with point and facts, everything today is 10x more easier than before and football is no exception.
@@nino2046Bullshit. If anyone of that mammoth old teams played against todays giants with proper tactics, they will get obliterated and I am not even kidding
Pele was also a playmaker. His main job was not to score goals or dribble. He was very similar to Messi in playing style. Pele also did two jobs at the same time. He contributed with creativity and playmaking, and at the same time he would score goals. But Pele was more complete than Messi.
@@Normanzk-e8lAll this to be defeated in the knockout stage of the World Cup with a hat trick from Pelé and 1 assist, and Pelé didn't even play in the group stage.
Messi has accomplished things at European and World Cup level that Pele could never even dreamed of accomplishing . Pele played in local Brazilian clubs all his life along with NY cosmos at the end of his career while Messi played difficult European Football and won countless titles with Barcelona and PSG . Messi is also taking the US by storm at the age of 36 and on the verge of being Champion with Inter Miami . Move over Pele , Messi is definitely the only GOAT !!!
Lol, Brazilian leage was Far superior than Europe, pele played against europeans that time and BEAT up all of them with his team Santos.European leage is bigger today Just for the money and foreign players .
There is no comparison whatsoever, Messi won 44 trophies , Pele solely 26 , Messi surpassed Pele in individual goals and has won in all competitions , Messi is on his way to his eighth Ballon D'or and pele doesn't even have 1. End of discussion , Messi is the G.O.AT @@bewalker25
Pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain, messi have 77 individual award than pele 29
Pelé goat di Pelé di tutti i tempi perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti viva viva viva viva viva viva viva viva o Rey Pelé ciao dalla Sicilia Italia da un italiano
Pele never played in Europe. He secured one world cup legitimately. He was injured during one of them and sat out the other. Great player though. I'd compare him to Suarez
@@nekam7702 Messi nunca foi tão decisivo quanto Pelé, o próprio Maradona já fez críticas nesse quesito a Messi. A verdade é que até msm cristiano Ronaldo foi mais decisivo que Messi, apesar de ter tido uma carreira um pouco inferior.
@@ohpls Thats the most stupid take i ever seen. First, at Pelé time, Campeonato Brasileiro > ALL Europe togheter. Second, Pelé g/a ratio is higher vs european clubs than relegation zone clubs from the Brazil league. 3rd. 58 he was The top goal scorer , 70 he won the best player Award. He only didnt contribute in 62, but in that edition we had Garrincha who won ALL the awards.
Messi is incredible, but Pele is the GOAT. The Brazillian League and South American football was on par with the European competitions at that time until the best players in that region started to be imported by European clubs, thus weakening the leagues.
Pele' made 1282 goals in total (Messi only 800!), no one can beat that mark! O.9 goals per game average!!! He played more than 100 games in Europe with the same average of 0.9 gols per game. Wan 3 world cups (national) and 2 world cup for his club (Santos)!!! No one can beat that!!! Pele's friendly games goals should also count as almost all were played in Europe against top european teams of the time and the goal's average of Pele' is the same in friendly games as in official games. So the difficulty level was the same. Plus the amount of games per year today is superior now than it was before, but the average of goals per game of Pele' is much superior than that of Messi. Playing much more games, anyone can make more goals. All you have to do is to play until you are 50. Plus: You know that Barcelona bought games in La Liga, so all Messi's goals in La Liga will be invalidated. Look up the scandal this year: 1.5 million euros payed for referees between 2016 and 2018. THEN There is only one king!
Most of the 1282 goals from Pele don't count friendly goals are that a lot. 😂 The goals he says here are his official goals. Pele is not the goat. Messi if you look at skill is much better also Maradona and Ronaldinho where much better if you look at skill.
Pele sin dudas, aparte de los numeros y la efectividad en goles y titulos es el inventor del miles de jugadas y del futbol arte. Messi es precisión y rapidez, pero Pelé es todo y es mas creatividad
Pele ganó el mundial 3 veces de manera justa, Messi ganó el mundial robando... También son como copas gamper no? Venga yaaaa despierta, Pele es el número 1 y se acabo
Who is the GOAT❓❓
Pele is the GOAT and not Pessi
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Pele is the king of football 💥💛💚
Messi at this age still competing with the youngsters is insane
For sure 🔥🔥
Both Messi and C.Ronaldo compete at this age but still they cannot break Pele Record, pele Rate and he is also best in Dribbling,pace , Skillful style , Free-kicker , Heading , defence that Messi and Ronaldo couldn't do that 👍
Messi is incredible. But I see a lot of disrespect here in relation to Pelé who practically modernized football, he was a pioneer in being the best of the best, what we now call Goat. Understand once and for all that this man's merit is to be extremely innovative, just like Newton and Gravity, Ford and his production line, Tesla and electricity. Take all the advanced technology and football knowledge between (1977 - present), of which he was certainly the biggest contributor, and watch me say in the most sly way that Gareth Bale would be better than Pele in his time. NO ONE WAS BETTER THAN PELÉ IN HIS TIME. The Brazilian championship was better than any other European. That's history, it's no use looking at European football and thinking that it was always superior to South American football, that's just spitting on football history. Of the top 4 of all time, 3 are from there. Now think of the time of Pelé, who had incredible numbers and averages, when the stars barely went to Europe and stayed in their clubs in South America.
Legend indeed.
Yes, let's create the mouvement "football lovers against simplification".🤔
They went to Europe then, just Pele didn't.
Pele's stats where better in every category except the last two which are more about the club than the player.
@@VenturaITIn Pelé's time, Europe was level with Brazil. Just remember the team from 1958 to 1970. Some of the best players were Brazilian, not just Pelé
@@VenturaIT Pele' wasn't allowed to go to Europe. The biggest clubs were all interested in him, that alone should mean something. But Anyway, he was a "National Treasure" and by presidential and congressional decree he was not allowed t leave Brazil to play or other teams.
Pelé is the Greatest of his Generation!🇧🇷🐐And Messi is the Greatest of his Generation!🇦🇷👽🐐 End of Discussion!
Pelé greatest of all times, he was the greatest of a whole century, Messi greatest of his generation
@@ducatarinaBut the 21st century hasn't finished yet.
GOAT IN 20TH CENTURY IS FROM BRAZIL 🇧🇷 AND GOAT IN 21TH CENTURY IS FROM ARGENTINA 🇦🇷
One created the Númber 10 legacy
Other perfeccioned that
@@denzelzuofa3066 That's What a Said Messi in the greatest of his generation, Pelé was the greatest of a whole Century
The assists are wrong, Pelé has 370 assists.
Pele played 4 world cups and won 3 that is something difff 👀👀not human things !! RIP to legend !
In 1958 only play 3 matches and 1962 only play 1 match
@@alexander1688 In 1958 he scored 6 goals starting in the quarterfinals, including a hat-trick in the semifinal against France and 2 goals in the final
In 1962 he was injured in the 2nd round, but he didn't erase the title. It's like saying that Messi didn't win 4 champions, because in 2006 he hardly even played, besides the World Cup in Pelé's time had fewer games than it has today, wanting to compare the number of games is stupid
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@@charles6811 2 world cup for free vs 1 champion league for free 😂
@@charles6811 and the opps are so ridicolous than now
Pele campeon del mundo a los 17 años!
Pele 3 campeonatos del mundo
Pele hizo todo antes que nadie
Pele invento jugadas,. La paradiña,auto pase con el contrario,jugada sin balon,
Jugo en todas las posiciones hasta de arquero y no le convirtieron, cabezazo maravilloso, hizo todo lo que vemos hoy mucho antes ...indudablemente el mas grandioso jugador de todos los tiempos .
Miami te lo confirmo?
Nunca viste jugar a Pele, yo lo vi, y era primitivo, lento y brusco.
@@Newbruno7 Yo también lo vi jugar. las reglas eran diferentes. Los jugadores jugaron más lento para conservar energía, porque no hubo SUSTITUCIONES como hoy. Al final del partido no hubo tandas de penales. Los juegos debían repetirse. De ahí que la conservación de la energía fuera muy importante.
Os dois melhores jogadores de todos os tempos 🇧🇷🇦🇷🐐
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I agree
Asi es hermano!
Garrincha E Ronaldo Fenomeno eram melhores que Messi
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Dans 30 ans, l'histoire retiendra encore que Pelé a été et sera toujours le roi du football et on continuera à chercher le joueur qui pourra le détrôner. Tant qu'il n'y aura pas un grand joueur avec au moins 2 coupes du monde, ce sera très difficile.
You do know that, there’s currently 24 players with two world cups. Also, let’s be honest, the World Cup was much easier to win in Pele’s time than today and they had less games, now more countries especially in Europe have heavily invested in their football to the point that winning just 1 World Cup is becoming a miracle, for example, for 60 years, no other country has won a back to back World Cup since Brazil in 1962, nowadays even Brazil struggles to get past any European team they meet
Pele on another level
Pele stomps. People say backyard goals and if you really want you dont have to include those goals but those goals were scored against the best clubs in Europe including Inter and Real Madrid. Not only that Santos was the best club in the world because of Pele ans the Brazilian league was not a farmers league back then.
Pele is unbreakable record all official 😊😊
Pele played 4 world cup games and won 3😮
Brazil super team
Pele's playstyle was on another level.
Legend!
Messi playstyle was way better and above pele
Pelé opps are ridicolous go to check how play the sweden in a match. Lidolm the people say is good but when he run i start to smile. Now the football is grow up if messi played in that era he was 7 level more Than Pelé in that era
@@killermove9524RIP Messi😴
If you see his stats with unofficial games he becomes even better, like in 1959 when he had 127 goals in a calander year and a 1.9 goal per gane ratio. He dud this while being 17. This man is on another level
Pele the goat.
Nop
World Cup only
World Cups don't make you the goat. There are other stats that matter too.
Pele had played the Copa libetadores 3 times (becasue of his international tours with Santos), he won 2 times and also won the intercontinental cup in these 2 times which is a match between the chamapions league winners of Europe and copa libetadores winners and the third time in 1965 he was top scorer.
He also played in only 2 copa americas in 1957 and 1959 when he was 16 and 18 accordingly. In 1959 Brazil was second place to Argentina and Pele was the best player. He was also fouled 98 times in 6 games, that's probably why he never participated in it again (because Brazil deemed him too valuable to the world cup and didn't want him to get injured at the overrated Copa America).
Also I would like to jote about disregarding his unofficial matches. In his time unofficial matches had a more significant role than today. Media and Clubs themselves would include them in their statistics, so to not include them because they were unofficial is to disregard a critical part of Pele's career.
He has the most goals in a calander year (127 in 75 games in 1959 when he was 18) and he has one of the highest goal per game ratios in a calander year (110 goals in 63 games in 1961 when he was 20 if I'm not mistaken). He is simply on another level. I think he is the undisputed GOAT.
Messi, but Pele was massive for making Football a global sport. He is probably the most impactful on the growth of the sport of all time.
Legends of the game for sure, much respect! 👑🔥
Nah Pele cuz he got more bigger wins
@@QWckanimationshell no
Pele's stats where better in every category except the last two which are more about the club than the player.
@@VenturaITWhat about playmaking stats, Key Passes, goals in finals, Pass % ratio, Dribble % Ratio, Trophies (i understand pele couldn't leave Brazil, but that doesn't change the fact that he never won a major club trophy). Goals and Assists (Ratio doesn't matter, because messi played longer than Pele. When you play longer, your numbers don't continue to be as they were when you were 26, 27, 28, 29 because you get older. Messi at 35 was still playing intense football in top leagues and as he got older couldn't hit the same numbers as he did 5 years ago. I can assure you, if this video was 5 years ago that Messi would have a higher goal ratio for the games he played back then. Granted he would have less goals than Pele, but lets not forget pele usually played as a ST, SS or CF which is why he got more goals). Pele also played a large portion of his career in MLS.
Pele is the best, i see for G+A/game because If you play more games you can make more goals and assistences, so i see like this
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Pele never played in Europe. That's the issue
@@ohpls At the time Europe and South America had equal levels so much so that in friendlies that are not considered official but against strong teams Santos de Pelé destroyed everyone he faced.
@@ohpls Pelé destroyed even Eusebio
@@Henreas no brother. At that time, he played against farmers and electricians
When Messi gets 3 WC we can start the comparison… for now Pele is the only GOAT period.
How many Champions Leagues has Pele won? 😅
Pele - KING of football
Messi - GOAT of football
The goat bows to the king then
this man deserves everything..
Because Pele have 3 wc and Messi is 8 wonder of the world, I agree
Stop using drugs
AND CR7 IS 💀💀💀
Vamos ver essa comparação mais de perto 😅😅
*Messi*
5 copas disputadas (2006,2010,2014,2018,2022)
Copas vencidas 1(2022)
26 jogos
13 gols
8 assistência
Média G+A=0.81
*Pelé*
4 copas disputadas( 1958, 1962, 1966,1970)
Copas vencidas 3(1958,1962,1970)
14 jogos
12 gols
8 assistência
G+A= 1.44
Quem foi melhor 👀?
Pele the GOAT , no doubts about it
No no no, pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain
@@BTPStories are you crazy? who told you that? Romario and Ronaldo were strikers. Garrincha and Jairzinho were forwards. Pele was a forward mid field. He was the brain (see all Brazil goals in the WC of 1970), the racer (as Messi was in the past) and everything else. Even as a goalie he was great.
Apart from penalties n physical height, Messi > CR in every aspect...Now the debate should b officially over n agree that Lionel Andres Messi is the 🐐 on n off the pitch...period....
Totally disagree. I think CR7 is better
Cr7=messi
@@aminububa851How can you watch the two and think that??
Pelé reste le meilleur. Ceux qui disent qu'il n'a pas joué en Europe doivent savoir qu'à l'époque où Pelé jouait, les clubs sud américains étaient plus forts que les clubs européens. Pour cela il n'y a qu'à voir les confrontations en coupe intercontinentale, les clubs sud américains avaient plus de victoires à cette époque. Et puis tous les joueurs sud américains jouaient dans leur continent.
Pls compare the best defenders of all time
Thankd
Baresi wins that hands down.
You are one of the best TH-camr i have ever seen. Also you are very active. ♥️
Thank you! I appreciate that, much love!❤
Pele is clear cut winner 🏆🎉🏆 bt im a true messi fan.... It's like cr7
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U r a fake football fan. Top 5: Messi, Pele, Maradona, Cruijff, Beckenbeuer
@@Huntersjfcv maybe Maradona is ok bt other 2 🤔is definitely
@@Huntersjfcvu are pessi fanboy pele Maradona cruyf ronaldo messi
Nobody realizes the fact that pele had a strong team when he was winning those world cups but messi had to struggle like hell with players like gonzalo bullshit higuan and shit coaches around that time
He had to carry the team on his back whereas pele was carried by his team
In my opinion,Pele might have invented all kind of skills but messi completes football and he is the greatest player ever in football❤️
For sure, but there is a lot of hater and black people who cannot see it.
Peles team was definitely insane. I mean there was jairzinho in the 1970 world cup who scored in each and every game of the tournament that year. Garrincha who carried aswell. And many more if i start naming them this will become a paragraph.
@@Rubrasileiro this racism needs to be vanished🙂
@@Jairzinho_is_busy brazil in those days was scary as fuck
@@brucewayne-uq9xk this is straight facts #noracism
Pele' e' il giocatore piu' completo della storia del calcio e la sua carriera con tre Mondiali e 1283 goals oltre ai tanti trofei vinti con il suo club, il Santios, lo rende unico e ineguagliabile.
Hahahaha solo 745 gol . 1250 sono partite amichevole. Brasile ha vinto anche senza pele. Era il brasile piu forte...per me messi ha superato sia pele sia maradona. Messi pele maradona are the betlst ever.
@@raulshiro6239 Ah ah ah pensa quello che vuoi tu .Messi non ha affatto superato Pele' sia come caratteristiche individuali sia come carriera. Può ' essere comparato a Maradona ma non a O' Rey che resta unico nella storia del calcio .
@@raulshiro6239 I gols sono 1283 e lo ribadisco anche se nelle partite ufficiali ne vengono assegnati 767 ma comunque la FIFA li riconosce tutti.
@@camillofaiella6104 fifa riconosce solo gol officiali non mentire. Pele ha 7 palloni d ori ( gli ha conseganto fiffa siccome non aveva diritto di vincere pallone d oro). Messi se vince questo pallone d oro lo supera. Messi ha segnato di piu...ha fatto piu assist...ha vinto di piu.
@@raulshiro6239 Hai un po' ' le idee confuse. I goal sono 1283 puoi stare tranquillo. Messi non ha vinto tre Mondiali e il Pallone d' oro non c' entra nulla nel confronto con Pele'. Qui bisogna considerare oltre la carriera che pone Edison Arantes do Nascimento comunque gia' al numero 1 nella storia in quanto e ' l' unico calciatore tre volte Mondiale, le caratteristiche personali.O' Rey abbinava qualita' tecniche e fisiche, atletiche. Aveva estrp, fantasia, dribbling, visione di gioco, forza muscolare, capacita' di calciare alla stessa maniera con destro e sinistro, gioco aereo , in acrobazia , tutto con grande velocità. Messi come tanti altri fuoriclasse non sono completi come Pele'. Menotti, Biliardo,Basile ,ex grandi allenatori argentini , cosi' giocatori come Mario Kempes, Bochini ed altri lo hanno riconosciuto.
Pelé the Best ever
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Messi
No no no, pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain
@@BTPStoriesno pele playmaker too
@@BTPStoriesPele is better for everything in playground, the only Award and Trophy Messi had more than him
I hope you reach 100k subscribers bro, you make great videos!
Thank you bro! Hopefully I will get there soon!
Messi 🐐He is 35yo and he still playing and even then he leads in every statistical category, has more goals, more assists, more récords, more titles, more individual awards (incl. Ballon d’Or, Golden Shoes & WC Golden Ball) more goals in finals, most assists in history, better h2h record.
🔥🔥🔥 legendary!
It's Pele by a mile. Messi was carried by an incredible Barca team, Pele carried Santos.
Also, Pele's stats are better.
@@michaeltrumph121 Messi is 3 times better than Pele and doesn't play in the dinosaur era. Also has more titles, awards and broke all Pele récords in south américa and has more goals and assist in all competition including World Cup and Copa América.
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_Messi is 3 times better than Pele_
Only for you little kids.
_and doesn't play in the dinosaur era._
In 50 years from now, people are gonna say the same about Messi's era.
Era doesn't matter, players need to be judged based on what they did in their own era.
_Also has more titles_
Simply cause he played for an uber team against weak opposition.
_and broke all Pele récords in south américa_
He didn't break any.
Pele has 3 World Cups, Messi only has 1, and it was rigged for him.
_and has more goals and assist in all competition including World Cup and Copa América._
Messi played way more matches, Pele's ratio is still far better.
Messi needed 26 World Cup games to score 13 goals, and half of those are from penalties.
Pele scored 12 goals in 14 matches.
@@michaeltrumph121 good comment. but Messi played many times against the best teams, it's a strange claim. but so much is true, and the truth must be judged by the era and by the help. without Pele, Brazil didn't have a World Cup, after Pelé until Romário in 1994 they had nothing. Brazil is a strong team, but without a super player and leader, they can't do anything
Messi aún no supera a Maradona y ya superó a Pelé? Pelé podía ocupar cualquier puesto en la cacha por lo bueno que era, fue campeón a los 17 años, siendo el mejor en dicho torneo, así como en México 70. Ganó 3 copas del mundo de 4 en que participó, fue el mejor cabeceador de la historia del fútbol. Físicamente ni que hablar, pues fungía hasta de marcador o defensa, era un jugador multifuncional. En cuanto a títulos, ningún futbolista afamado se le acerca al brasileño, siendo 2 copas intercontinentales y 2 copas libertadores algunas de sus muchas prohezas, en un tiempo en que había menos torneos internacionales que ahora... Quieren más? Es el máximo goleador del fútbol con 1283 tantos, tiene la marca de 8 goles en un solo partido, es el máximo exponente de jugadas como el autopase sin tocar el balón, paredes con el cuerpo de los rivales...hasta sus desaciertos son legendarios, como sus " casi goles"; a propósito: en que mundial fue trascendental Messi, tiene alguno como el de Maradona en Méjico 86? Dejen a un lado el fanatismo o apasionamiento, el futbol no es solo regate o tiro libre.
Messi doesn't measure up to Garrincha, much less Pele.
not only measures up but also destroys both in goals and assists. he played in two world cup finals.
Nostalgia merchants. Why do you believe the norm that if something is old it is gold. We dont read books backwards. Everything only progress with time except our moral values
I just subbed!
Pele' made 1282 goals in total (Messi only less than 900 in total! Not counting junior games, but counting friendly senior games!), no one can beat that mark! O.98 goals per game average!!! He played more than 100 games in Europe with the same average of 0.98 gols per game (Messi's average is 0.8 per game!). Wan 3 world cups (national) and 2 world cup for his club (Santos)!!! No one can beat that!!! Pele's friendly games goals should also count as almost all were played in Europe against top european teams of the time and the goal's average of Pele' is the same in friendly games as in official games. So the difficulty level was the same. Plus the amount of official games per year today is superior now than it was before, but the average of goals per official game of Pele' is much superior than that of Messi, even if one counts only official games (0.9 for Pele' and 0.8 goals per game for Messi). Playing much more official games, anyone (really anyone!) can make more goals. All you have to do is to play until you are 50 in a small weak league. Like Cristiano now in Arabia or China. Plus: You know that Barcelona bought games in La Liga, so all Messi's goals in La Liga will be invalidated in this dispute. Look up the scandal this year: 1.5 million euros payed for referees between 2016 and 2018. This invalidates many Messi's goals made with penalty kick, in the period! THEN There is only one king!
Still no counting playing games against soldiers never gonna count for Pele
No official games in senior games still no counting like CR7 goals against PSG or Messi against Al nssr or Boca juniors
Messi had more world cup golden ball 2>1
World cup club 3>2
títtles 43>37
Coup america 1>0 Pele lose against Argentina
Champions/liberators: 4>2
Ballon d´or 8>7 is gonna happen the 30 of october
ETC
Pele won a world cup with president of fifa helping Garrincha lol
Messi is better in everything to Pele except in world cup títtles only lol
Pele did not play against teams like Eibar , Elche , Alaves , Almeria , Osasuna ... Weak teams of course .
Pele is the GOAT
Pls do garrincha vs jerzzingo vs neymar
I will be sure to look into that, thanks.
Messi is the goat and he's still playing in the elite of football.
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peles dead how the hell do you expect him to play champions league football
@@bear.2dexactly
Ratio
Sergio ramos vs van dijk plssssssssss😢
Will do
Messi is goat next god by new religion. Let create it.
👑🔥🔥Legendary!
Make Best Midfielder (Zidane, Pirlo, Iniesta, Xavi and Modric)🙏
Will do, thanks.
@@factualanimation I will wait soon
@@arfhanzaelani9246 Awesome.
Pelé the king of football👑⚽️🇧🇷
What a player
And Messi is Father of Pele
@@FahimAhmed-fc5zwYes, The opposite actually
ペレだわ。どうにもならない差があるわ。理由は視りゃ分かるし誰もが心の底では分かっているよね。
ペレと並ぶ完璧な選手は誰一人としていないのがね。
Messi is a GOAT Pele is a Legend
Just a couple of things:
- Pelé's goals were without penalties
- Pelé had to deal to play without the existance of yellow cards for most of his career. He was constantly kicked and fouled
- Pelé was more complete physically and in hability, also a better defender
- Better per game stats
- Pelé could have easily be even better if he were born in today's time. You can't really say that about Messi
- And true or not, Messi's Barcelona time is stained by controversy as is the Qatar World Cup
cada geração com seu Pelé!😉
Messi+Cristiano
yeah no.
Did you crazy??
@@jeremiekiro798Some random brazilian😂
The greatest genius in the history of football, top scorer, assistant, he could kick with both feet, run like a sprinter, he was creative, original, could jump high for precise headers... he could do free kicks with precision and powerfully with a heavy ball and primitive boots...always the most dominant player and a respected leader on the pitch, he could take blows... Perfect control of the ball at the exact time, with beautiful, precise and natural movements, without exaggerating, towards the goal, with anticipated vision, efficient, even sometimes kicking the ball at the opponent player's own leg to get it back ahead, perfect positioning... everything went right for him since he was 16...record holder...1282 goals (inside and outside the major leagues and in fewer games than Messi and CR7, so Pele has a goal average per game superior to both) all in serious games, 3 World Cups... he overcame the racism of the time, and became famous in the world without needing to be in big teams or being helped by the best players. Without paid internet companies to promote himself, 50 years after he stopped playing here we are still talking about the unbeatable King of Football. He took Santos, a team that no one knew internationally, to be world champion twice... Pelé WAS THE ORIGINAL 10! The rest have flaws in their careers.
Pele = field goal
Messi = penalty kick
Lol Pessi can only score penalties Pele 🇧🇷❤Is the goat of football forever forever ♾️
Pele el mejor de todos los tiempos si hubiera jugado en estos tiempos que cuida mucho al futbolista hubiera anotado más de 2000 goles
No, you forget today, coaches have a lot of power of how players play and the game is now to structured with less freedom because a lot of money is involved, so managers don’t want to lose their jobs. In pele time, players had a lot more freedom on the pitch, and defenders today are more organized than the ones of 50 years ago
People don't understand football.They just tune in when there is a global event like World Cup and all@@wamnicho
Please do xavi vs koeman coach Barca next
Will do.
Pele is the godfather, messi is the god
Pessi is trash pele god
Messi have a well documented professional career against REAL clubs.
While, 70% of Pele goals and assists are on the obscure “campeonato paulista” against small town teams that no longer exist, and where most of the games ended up with ridiculous scores such as 12-1 or 14-0.
Besides, Pele lied about his goals and assists counting even the ones that he played on the Brazilian army. A full blatant lier.
In fact, Paulistão was one of the most disputed championships and the most profitable for Pelé's Santos, So much so that they refused to play tournaments like the Libertadores to focus on national championships and friendlies (which were only friendly in name) as they were more profitable and could prove themselves more, So much so that in the only two they participated they won and in the intercontinental against the Champions League winners they also came out on top.
It is very ignorant to belittle all this, just look at what Pelé's Santos did to Eusébio's Benfica, Champions League champions in the intercontinental final, It was for this reason that Real Madrid, 5-times Champions League champions in a row, refused invitations to play a friendly against Santos and refused to play in a final because they were going to get them.
And Pelé didn't lie about his goals, they are all documented, so much so that even the former president of FIFA and the Guinness Book itself made the record and the goals official. Yes, there are websites and documents with all the matches he played and scored goals.
This thing about official goals is something recent, they use it to magnify the present and diminish everything that was done in the past using anachronism.
- Just one correction, he couldn't lie about his goals and assists, as they were recorded by sports journalists, FIFA, IFFHS and clubs all over the world.
And a tournament is no excuse, Barcelona itself is tired of scoring goals against third division teams in the Copa del Rey, La Liga and pre-season tournaments, and guess where 70% of Messi's goals come from? Remembering that even friendly matches are official nowadays if organized by FIFA and they count.
Diminishing one in favor of the other says more about the speaker than their greatness.
Pele is great in scoring goals and assists and only has 3 world cup trophies, but messi is God who has everything, he has everything he is the most complete player ever not only goals and assists but trophies and all the awards he has
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"Only has 3 world cup trophies" 💀
@@superpelefan fãs do Messi são crianças idiotas
Pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain
@@BTPStories Are you insane ? it seems like you have not seen Pele play.
Pele was a striker on paper, but he played like a CAM and dropped deep into the midfield. His playing style is very similar to Messi.
But Pele is far more complete than Messi.
He also posses physicality and CR7s qualities. He can score on headers, he has great shot accuracy and shot power, he can shoot powerful long rangers, he is strong like a bull and could shoot equally with both feet.
Pele can do everything Messi can do, but Messi cant do everything Pele can do. Pele is more complete and that makes it more difficult to stop Pele.
As playmakers, both are on the same level.
As goalscorers, both are also on the same level.
As a dribbler, Messi is slightly better than Pele.
Literally The King 👑 vs The Goat 🐐
How do you find Pele assists? Great video!
There's some great sources online, I will link them in description
Comparing the two in terms of ratios, Pele is the winner.
Just correcting Pele had 367 assists in his career despites some sources says 370, 367 is the most likely number. He was a pioneer with Di Stefano on the concept of "playmaker".
What sources?
You all know who is the 🐐
It's literally messi undoubtedly!!!!
Absolute legend🔥🔥
hahaha
Super channel
So underrated
Thank you! Hope more people can discover me soon!
Without Debate,🙅🙅♀️🙅♂️
L. Messi Completed Football.✅
L. Messi is the Greatest of All Time.💯✅
Exceptional player,Legend🔥🔥🔥
👶 hey little boy 😂 do you know who is pele 😂
@@aachi556Do you know pele????
Without debate 😭😭😭 i like messi much more 😭😭😭 i never watched pele 😭😭😭 i don't know how football worked at that time 😭😭😭 therefore messi is the best 👍🏼 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Messi cant be the GOAT by winning a rigged/pre-fixed World cup, where he was awarded up to 5 penalties over 7 games.
4 out of his 7 goals were scored on penalties.
At least, Pele won the WC in 1958 and 1970. And he did not need free penalties from the referee to win. He won FAIRLY. The same cannot be said about the WC 2022.
Thanks for doing the video I wanted!
Also, great video 👍
You are welcome! Feel free to drop other ideas as well!👑
Messi is the king of Football.
What a player!👑🔥
What about CR7 and Maradona? Also maybe Cruyff
well, if we take into consideration all indicators like stats on an individual level, consistency, trophies won on club/national level, overall game/qualities and how complete a player is, and what kind of circumstances a player performed under. Then the GOAT debate is only between Pele and Messi.
Its a very tough one. But, in my eyes, Pele would win. He is more complete than Messi, thats what makes him better.
Pele's Goal contribution is on GOAT Level. No comparison needed.
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You can’t compare the two. They were born in completely different eras and one developed watching the other. A more fair statement would be that they were both the best of their time.
Nah!!! U can compare, Pele is clear as day from night, lmao what do u mean u can't compare? This generation should be ashamed for even bringing up this comparison 😂
Just to put this in perspective, Messi just won his first World Cup 2 months ago. The last time Pele was in a World Cup was over half a century ago. The game has changed a lot. It’s like comparing Deontay Wilder to Jack Johnson in boxing.
@@SMLTPerry why not compare deontay wilder to Mike Tyson? Or Muhammad Ali? Then, now!!! The sport doesn't change its still same rules, same way it's been played, same result, Technology and the world as a whole has evolved to make everything a lot much easier, but for some reason football remained difficult, infact it became difficult than before, scientifically and psychologically u Messi fanboys make zero sense....talk to me with point and facts, everything today is 10x more easier than before and football is no exception.
@@nino2046 only Football did change the rules.
@@nino2046Bullshit. If anyone of that mammoth old teams played against todays giants with proper tactics, they will get obliterated and I am not even kidding
Why messi is diffrent? becuase he is a play maker still scoring goals most goal ratio in football most assits in football
Absolute legend! 👑🔥
Pele was also a playmaker. His main job was not to score goals or dribble.
He was very similar to Messi in playing style.
Pele also did two jobs at the same time. He contributed with creativity and playmaking, and at the same time he would score goals.
But Pele was more complete than Messi.
PELE IS THE ONLY PLAYER TO WIN 3 WORLD CUPS IN THREE DIFFERENT DECADES 50S 60S AND 70S
Legend!
So, he is strong contender of super ballondr
contributed to 2
messi also played 2 wc finals same as pele with a weaker team
Messi be like Xd : 26 games with 13 goal Xddddd
Pele: 14 game 12 goal XD
Y'all know pele is better
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Just fontaine in only 6 games score 13 goals the same year that Pele has his prime XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
@@Normanzk-e8lAll this to be defeated in the knockout stage of the World Cup with a hat trick from Pelé and 1 assist, and Pelé didn't even play in the group stage.
Thanks for the video but lots of incorrect information
How do you get pele assist stats?
There's some reliable sources
Messi has accomplished things at European and World Cup level that Pele could never even dreamed of accomplishing . Pele played in local Brazilian clubs all his life along with NY cosmos at the end of his career while Messi played difficult European Football and won countless titles with Barcelona and PSG . Messi is also taking the US by storm at the age of 36 and on the verge of being Champion with Inter Miami . Move over Pele , Messi is definitely the only GOAT !!!
Lol, Brazilian leage was Far superior than Europe, pele played against europeans that time and BEAT up all of them with his team Santos.European leage is bigger today Just for the money and foreign players .
There is no comparison whatsoever, Messi won 44 trophies , Pele solely 26 , Messi surpassed Pele in individual goals and has won in all competitions , Messi is on his way to his eighth Ballon D'or and pele doesn't even have 1. End of discussion , Messi is the G.O.AT @@bewalker25
@@positivemindsetfaithingodp4825 Pelé 3 world cups and and athlete of the century, end of discussion
No Doubt.
Lionel Messi is the Greatest Of All Time 👑
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Pele the goat
Pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain, messi have 77 individual award than pele 29
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Pelé goat di Pelé di tutti i tempi perché super completissimo tecnicamente fisicamente mentalmente rispetto a tutti viva viva viva viva viva viva viva viva o Rey Pelé ciao dalla Sicilia Italia da un italiano
Stats don't lie Pele was more prolific. And no footballer in history can hold a candle up to 3 World cups not even close.
Si Messi hubiera jugado en el Brasil del 70 tambien tendria 3 mundiales.
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Pele never played in Europe. He secured one world cup legitimately. He was injured during one of them and sat out the other. Great player though. I'd compare him to Suarez
@@nekam7702 Messi nunca foi tão decisivo quanto Pelé, o próprio Maradona já fez críticas nesse quesito a Messi. A verdade é que até msm cristiano Ronaldo foi mais decisivo que Messi, apesar de ter tido uma carreira um pouco inferior.
@@ohpls Thats the most stupid take i ever seen.
First, at Pelé time, Campeonato Brasileiro > ALL Europe togheter.
Second, Pelé g/a ratio is higher vs european clubs than relegation zone clubs from the Brazil league.
3rd. 58 he was The top goal scorer , 70 he won the best player Award. He only didnt contribute in 62, but in that edition we had Garrincha who won ALL the awards.
Messi is the GOAT no argument❤❤❤
Pele is the GOAT
Legend
Too bad we weren't there to see players like Pele play😔
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Top 5 Greatest of All Time
1. Messi
2. Pele
3. Maradona
4. Cristiano
5. Cruyff
Absolute legends!
Messi is incredible, but Pele is the GOAT. The Brazillian League and South American football was on par with the European competitions at that time until the best players in that region started to be imported by European clubs, thus weakening the leagues.
Messi naturally goat
Exceptional 👑🔥🔥
Can you compare player's best year, too?
Will consider that in the next comparison! Thank you!
Pele' made 1282 goals in total (Messi only 800!), no one can beat that mark! O.9 goals per game average!!! He played more than 100 games in Europe with the same average of 0.9 gols per game. Wan 3 world cups (national) and 2 world cup for his club (Santos)!!! No one can beat that!!! Pele's friendly games goals should also count as almost all were played in Europe against top european teams of the time and the goal's average of Pele' is the same in friendly games as in official games. So the difficulty level was the same. Plus the amount of games per year today is superior now than it was before, but the average of goals per game of Pele' is much superior than that of Messi. Playing much more games, anyone can make more goals. All you have to do is to play until you are 50. Plus: You know that Barcelona bought games in La Liga, so all Messi's goals in La Liga will be invalidated. Look up the scandal this year: 1.5 million euros payed for referees between 2016 and 2018. THEN There is only one king!
Most of the 1282 goals from Pele don't count friendly goals are that a lot. 😂 The goals he says here are his official goals. Pele is not the goat. Messi if you look at skill is much better also Maradona and Ronaldinho where much better if you look at skill.
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Messi has scored 475 goals in friendly games....
The fact that Messi dominates everywhere means THA GOAT 🐐
Pele sin dudas, aparte de los numeros y la efectividad en goles y titulos es el inventor del miles de jugadas y del futbol arte. Messi es precisión y rapidez, pero Pelé es todo y es mas creatividad
the level of competiion has gone up significantly... Messi is the GOAT by far.
Leo Messi is the greatest players of all time
Legendary🔥🔥🔥
Pele made football "football"
@@Nickxmw and Messi is better at it
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i nah pele played the best football
@@Nickxmw peles football wasn’t even as good as Maradona never mind Messi
Don't forget the Individual awards are also mentioned, so you know who is the best ..?
Messi is the GOAT, so the Titles of Pelé some are similar a Catalonia Cup and Joan Gamper Throphy.
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Pele ganó el mundial 3 veces de manera justa, Messi ganó el mundial robando...
También son como copas gamper no? Venga yaaaa despierta, Pele es el número 1 y se acabo
Pele stats crazy
True
Messi is the G.O.A.T
Legendary!
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@Zarif Lasker And Ronaldo u can't forget him
1.35 G+A per game ? 😮😮😮😮
Pls do ronaldo and messi
Already did.. Kindly find it in the channel
di stefano/ puskas/ Alex Ferguson/ eusebio/ beckenbauer/ cruyff/ maradona/ platini/ van basten/ lotar mateus/ ronaldo/ ronaldinho/ cristiano ronaldo/ Menotti/
Messi is second after Pele'
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No no no, pele is striker and messi is playmaker, pele job only shoot and scoring goal, but messi is double job scoring a goal and game brain
Messi is second best playeri od all time,but Pele is the GOAT