Jay-Z Explains How He Wrote "Still Dre" For Dr. Dre And Snoop Dogg
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Actually, Snoop spilled the beans on this years ago in an interview. I was shocked that Jay wrote the lyrics. Never knew he worked with Dre and Snoop. Snoop said no one else could think of any lyrics to fit the song. Then Jay came in and handed everyone a sheet with their part on the song, and the rest is history.
All business too
When I bought the cd back then he had writing credit on it. That was one of the things you would look forward to. Producers,writers and samples.This is really old. Good old days of buying CDs. L
It was known since forever
JayZ is credited in the album 2001
@@59DGO59 istg these new hiphop fans ain’t know SHIT! I’m 25 and knew this since forever
Just look on the writing credits
Yeah Jay-z did the pen work, Dr. Dre did the drums/mixing etc, and Scott Storch did the keys! Best Hip-Hop/Rap/Gansta Rap collab!
And Dre mixed it too.. People who accuse Scott Storch of doing all the work even Storch denied that
You mean gangsta rap
Yeah, but Scott Storch did the piano riff which made Still DRE iconic
@@opaopaa7359 No question about that,but everybody involved raised the bar for this classic.
No he didn’t
I remember telling my uncle (who is a huge fan of the 90s hip hop era) that Jayz wrote Still Dre, and it blew his mind to the point he just couldn't get over it and was in disbelief for a while.
Same here too. The nostalgia is real. These are the hip hop stories I love. More of this, less beef and killing.
And when you find out golden nuggets like this, makes you love the OG’s even more 🥰!!
It literally say on the cover written by s.carter 😂
This just happened to me, right now! Wtf
Jay z is a master of his craft,hats off to a hip hop legend.
For him to put himself in the mindset of a west coast artist is insane
It's not just that he's also huge fans of them and was able to rap like them bc of admiring them so much. I do the same thing with rappers when I listen to their music. I don't just rap the song I end up doing their same voice cadence flow etc lol
That’s the same shit I thought when I first heard about it
@@philo2189 yeah but did you write a Legendary song like still Dre ?
@@ysthekid8932 such a gifted mind
@@azma775 LOL! You didn't have to, bro!
Everyone saying that “this is old knowledge and that every true hiphop head knows this”, true but this is the first time Hov himself addresses and talks about it
Nah... I saw a TV interview where he spoke about it the very year it came out over 20 years ago.
And I believe he’s on the album credits for this song but the actually facts about how much he wrote I don’t think is common knowledge it’s more the hardcores that know it cuz shit I just found out he did all that myself lol
Facts! Monumental moment
kinda dope to hear HIM speak about it
Uhm nope! 😐...👎🏾!
Still can't get enough of this unbeatable beat. Senegal, West Africa.
Sénégal 🙌🏿
That beat... So simple.. but powerfully everlasting. When you hear it.. you know what's up
Scott Storch working his magic
Damn never knew Jay Z wrote that and despite all that's he's done he still pays homage to both those dudes. Love it!
Really? If you listen to the song and imagine Jay Z's voice it all clicks man, that's 100% Jay Z.
Same with Forgot About Dre, if you imagine Eminem doing Dre's verses it all just clicks. But I can't unhear Jay Z when I listen to Still D.R.E. He wrote something timeless with that song.
@@hetistony1024 I definitely hear ems in forgot about dre and Kendrick in the recipe but I can't hear Jay in still dre, but I did know he wrote it. Then they did the watcher 2 for BP2
Me too Im very Suprise to know this now
I can picture it clear as day in my head after reading your comment
Yea you'd have to have been on everything Jay at the time. He took over 98...99 back at it with Big Pimpin.... So like Dre coming back it was like, why he flowing like Hov (wake up in the a.m., compose a beat/I bring the fire till ya soaking in ya seat) that's how he was sounding at the time (that era lol)
Dre never really been known for writing lyrics he’s more producer that’s why he has no ego about someone else writing the song, he just wants to produce a hit
And he actually can make rappers rhyme some of their sickest verses.
dre is a back up dancer and a producer. that's it. that is all.
true that Sir.... And man He dishes hits like there's no tomorrow.
Dre has always had writer for most his songs, from Jay Z, DOC and J Flexx to name a few.
Nothing wrong with that. I can think of quite a few rappers who should probably get someone else to write their lyrics. Being a good rapper, doesn't mean you are also a good songwriter. For example, Rick Ross is a good rapper, but he's not the best writer. He doesn't exactly write interesting stories. Lil Wayne is also a good rapper. Some of his lyrics might be good, but he also has some pretty damn weak lyrics too. Maybe I shouldn't add Lil Wayne to the mix, because he does have some good lyrics. But sometimes... He could've used some help. Rick Ross, however, should stick to ghostwriters. He's not the only one.
Dre gave him credit long ago for writing the song. And I just wanna say I’m thankful to have grew up when It came out. Best “collab” single of its time.
That's y he's one of the best. A NY guy writing a LA track for 2 of the greatest LA artists of all time. He killed them LA lyrics too
Talk about a genius collaboration that is now a timeless piece of art.
No I nvr knew he wrote til now..
👀❣️😜🤓🐐
Wait he wrote the song Still Dre or did he do the backup dub vocals ?
@@oJAYarista
Wrote the whole song. Dre & snoops part.
“Takin’ my time to perfect the beat, and I still got love for the streets, it’s the D-R-E!”
'Even when I was close to defeat I rose to my feet!' Jay was really passing out gems like dat huh
Notice how Bey modified that line in their song Lovehappy
@@bougiechic1368 713*
Change DRE to HOV
@Allen Iverson Jus coz one isn't American don't make them foreigner. Educational is pivotal.
I had heard the song so many times and then when I heard that Jay z wrote the lyrics to it and then I went back and listened to it you can absolutely tell that Jay z wrote the lyrics to it.
Exactly what i did and exactly what i felt.
Yesssss..
Just like how Eminem wrote "Forgot about Dre" once I heard that, I went back and listened and you can definitely tell Dre's verse is definitely Em's lyrics.
@nova_raindrop1257 " all you savage cats learned I was strapped with gats when you was curdled in the cabbage patch" you can tell immediately that was eminem.
From Kathmandu to OKC to Seattle to back again to Kathmandu... Still Dre!! Listening to it again and again for almost 2 decades🍻🍻🍻👍👍
I knew J was going to be a massive success back in the 90s. Just listen to his lyrics on reasonable doubt. His mindset was so business focused vs. a street level mentality.
@my dude👆. 110% - “r Doubt.” Came out when I was a mid schooler and I still rant and rave about it being top1-3 albums all time. Rough, Rugged, Raw. Straight 🔥🔥
Same I knew when I first heard him
Reasonable Doubt is one of the greatest albums in hip hop. D'evils on its own, is one of the greatest. Classic shit.
I always wait to hear an artist's 4th album. Historically, that one separates the good from the great.
Heard this when I was in the service back in 96 if I recall. Been a JZ fan ever since. This RD album is a classic masterpiece & only true hip hop fans will appreciate the pure magic delivered
Jay pen game cold as hell... But that's what happens when you sidestep your ego and get down to business
Lol well he doesn't write
@@tanatswamataruse1294 the irony...
Shld do it more often.. even better than wat he writes for himself
He doesn’t write it he recites it from the dome when it shines in his mind like chrome then pops the line in your mind for you to rewind over and over through time
@@millionfive420 Damn crazy barz right there.
Just found about it and I am pleased ☺️😃☺️ that this collaboration took place between these legends.
I just found out today while watching the SuperBowl highlights.... Mind Blown! 🔥
Daang ......now it sounds different to me . Jay z a legend.
That's the song that made me crown Jay as The King when it comes to writing because to put yourself in someone else's place and write as if you are that person -- whew! Incredible. Much respect to him.
Thats what drakes ghost writer does everyday
Actually its alot easier to put yourself in someone's else's place imo
It's not as hard as it seems. Its more of focusing on that person, then yourself.
Specially considering how Hov was from Marcy projects in Brooklyn and Dr Dre was from LA, 2 places that are completely different, with totally different slang.
Actually Jay said it himself I forget what song, but he was one of those cats that could switch up his flow...You could tell the difference between Big Pimpin, Nikkas in Paris, Onto the next one...Different type of intonation...
I’ve always heard he wrote their verses, but to actually hear him speak on it is actually very cool, dude is on top of the game.
Jay Z wrote Ether too
I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing Jay! And my favorite song on the album is Xxplosive featuring Nate Dogg R.I.P ma man
I had no idea my favourite rap song of all time was written by JayZ!
Did you realize doctor Dre had a tongue ring in the video 😂🤦🏽♂️😭
@Time Bomb Records .... yes look again at the scene where Dre is driving...when they show a close up...look at his mouth he has a tounge ring..use a TV..you might not see it on a smart phone..
@Time Bomb Records ...pause video around...@1:41- 1:43
@Time Bomb Records ...😂🤦🏽♂️😭....no one realized...we the 1st ones to see this 😂
He wrote y'all ain't heard of that by slim thug
This might be news depending on your age...but Jay Z was saying 2 things consistently since the earlier days of his career. 1. He's retiring 2. He's not a rapper. He's a business man that knows how to rap.
Well i'm 15 so...😂😂
He’s not a business man he’s a business, man.
@@vinnyhaddadlol exactly...you know lyric 😃
@Silence Do Good Mind your business Man lol
@@vinnyhaddad let him handle his business DAMN
Holy crap, I totally forgot Jay wrote this. Probably in my top-ten hip hop tracks of all time. So good.
Snopp said jayz flew out and wrote it in 30 mins after they spent days not being able to write shit. Jay is a genius
Respect to the big homie Jay z🙏
This is common hip hop knowledge just like how Eminem wrote forgot about Dre
Forgot about Dre was the song that really taught me about bitrates on .mp3s. The subtle nuances in the beat you lost going from even 192bps down to 128bps blew my mind. I didn't bother with an mp3 player back then but i "got" why people would use the lower bitrates to get more songs in their memory. But i still did mostly cds, so 192bps became my minimum.
All because of Forgot about Dre and its amazing beat
& the watcher. this wasnt always comin knowledge though, & forgot about Dre it's kinda obvious
Eminem destroyed that track
Jay wrote Ether
Buy the album and you would see the writing credits. That was one of the things we loved about buying an album. Digital sucks. Use to love going to the record store.
Wow. Just based in this one fact I have a respect for Jay Z that I never thought I would. His greatness lies in his humility. We need more people like that. God bless him.
Awesome video. I found out earlier this year from Snoop Dogg's interview on The Breakfast Club that Jay-Z wrote the "Still Dre" song.
Definitely didn't know Jay Z wrote that, but now as I re listened to it. I can hear some of him all through it. Crazy how the mind works and his writing skills are legendary 🙌🏾
“Still not loving police” especially lol
Same. I respect jay but could never really get into his flow/cadence. He’s always sounded to me like he’s just talking with no regard for the actual beat and tempo. It’s hard for me to explain..but Snoop, for example, sounds like a synchronized series of waves flowing with the actual rhythm of the beat. He instantly makes my head bop. Jay to me sounds like he records his verses a capella and then just picks a beat to throw on top. I feel this way about a lot of east coast rappers. Backpack rappers too. I know others disagree but it’s just how I hear it. I remember feeling the same way about dre in still Dre and now it makes sense why!
@@emmanuelgarcia619 interesting perspective!
@@emmanuelgarcia619 reason why Jay is great is because is rapping is like he’s talking. It can be used in conversation. A skill in itself.
@@emmanuelgarcia619 i actually get what you mean. some artists actually sound like they’re part of the instrumental when they’re rapping, but jay z is more poetic with his flow. you can almost take any of his verses and apply it to any random beat and he’ll still sound the same with it lol he’s definitely poetic with the way he raps
It's reaL, Jay-Z is one of others that wrote the Still Dre song and Jay is on aLbum credis
Yea snoop said it awhile back too
That's what this whole video is about... we know it's real
Yup.
and scott storch produced the beat
@@tony_fanta he did the piano part.
Woah! Respect 🤝
I love when Goats acknowledge each other... pass it on....
Snoop Dogg already said that Jay-Z wrote Still Dre
Jay z wrote 90% of Dre's songs so yea
@@tjazmilano7582 no he didnt. He wrote still D. R. E.
@@jamiekoga1903 nah snoop wrote his verse
nah snoop wrote his verse
@@ducatarina wrong nigga snoop didn’t have a verse... JIGGA wrote the entire song my guy this is is news
I'll never hear Still Dre the same. Just listened and all I hear now is Jay. Crazy.
glad he spoke on this!
Whole new respect 🔥 🐐 never knew that !!!
One of the best to ever do it
“I’m not a biter I’m a writer for myself and others, I say a BIG verse I’m only biggin up my brother, biggin up my borough, I’m big enough to do it, I’m that thorough plus I know my own flow is foolish!” Jay
* biggin up my borough
What More Can I Say....
Bigging up my borough
*SO THEM RINGS & THINGS YOU SING ABOUT, BRING EM OUT!! IT’S HARD TO YELL WHEN THE BARREL’S IN YA MOUTH!!*
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Damn, that was pretty genuine. I’m a huge Em fan and Houston Rap. I love what Jay-Z did. It’s not new but it’s respectable af.
You have to be born blessed by greatness to pull off something like this, he's a genius in his own lane 💡
I'm just finding out. This is awesome! Still Dre is actually one of my favorite rap songs.
Never knew that until this very moment! Thumbs up for Jay!
Jay said for the right price he'll make your shit better
Snoop said this on drink champs 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💯
It just spoke to Dre's ability to not have an ego, collab with other producers and writers and just put out a product with vision at the end of the day. 2001 ain't a 'Classic' it's a Masterpiece, in my eyes.
Can’t a classic be a masterpiece?
@@jamescarter3738 I had to set it a part some how,. the way people throw the word "Classic" I gotta set 2001 aside
@@ka9202 oh I get ya
Dr Dre isn't a rapper. He was always a big time producer.
Welllll.... Apparently between Daz, And another guy he took credit for a lot that wasn't him. But the finishing touches is what he does best giving it that sound
Had the CD album when it first came out. For those that remember, CD albums came with a paper insert (paper is made from trees and you write / print on it), and had basic details abt the tracks, lyrics, production and S.Carter was listed on the Still Dre track. It's been known for years for those of us who are the OG fans. He absolutely nailed it and is probably better at writing for others than himself!
“Paper is made from trees and you write on it” 😂 im 30 and I was young when this album came out but yes I remember the good ol days of CDs and writing on paper. Its crazy how we barely handwrite nowadays.
oh is that what u do with paper?
What’s paper again?
I miss the album sleeves. I used to spend the weekends during my teens and early twenties going to record shops listening to new music and reading who produced and wrote music. I think youngsters had a thorough understanding of music production in those days. These days many post millennials have no clue unless they are told. I don't blame them its just the times we live in with everything going online. Even now in my early forties it's very difficult to find detailed information like this on tracks anymore.
@@jl1876 they print money on it too.
All the ingredients came together to create this timeless classic banger...scott storch legendary piano riff, dre production, snoop and dre verses, written by jay-z...damn!
I am glad I grew up in the CD era because the writers are mentioned right there on the linear notes on the CD sleeve ; ''Written by S. Carter''.
So yo what is the stuff Jay-Z wrote that y'all didnt know about?
Lol true
@@jerichoharperjmc6277 Jay Z wrote Ether too.
That nas and jayz sorry not sorry track is 🔥🔥
So it makes sense as to why he was vibing hard rapping still dre word for word at the superbowl halftime show💪🏾🔥
Jay has always been light years ahead of everyone else 🔥🔥🔥
Man Jayz is underrated he's a integral part of so many GoATs, parts his legacy is astounding Ye, Rhianna, Rocafella, Dre, so much more
There's ALWAYS some muppet with the 'underrated' click bait comment. That shit is 2020, mang.
@Cjc 206 he never wrote for Marshall Mathers.
@@MikeD-hn9hf why is it clickbait idgaf what you think about my comment it was my opinion. some rap heads know what jayz has done but a lot don't which is why i think hes underrated, y u so mad fam
@Cjc 206 he wrote which track for drake & eminem ?
@@ipickevol152 no worries guy. I just see the same 'underrated' comment on pretty much every piece of YT content and it shits me.
*if you’re reading this I wish nothing but wealth and health all 2021*
you 2 Quintin - Happy 4th
To u too brother..... from Africa 🌍
Never knew that! I guess even those at the top collaborate more than we know! Success breeds success! Respect!
I recall D.O.C. talking about this in an interview a few years back; Jay-Z was the key that unlocked the track as writers' block had quagmired Dre's Crew..
I ain't a big Jay-Z fan by any means but "Money ain't a thang" with Jermaine Dupri has to be my all time favorite song Jay z song ever!!! I still remember what I was doing when that song came out bro and I went that same weekend and bought the CD!
They wanna know if he still got it! They say rap changed, they wanna know how he feel about it!
Man Jay was flawless with the pen, just the perfect amount of words
Big fact’s bruh salute respect
Funny how much the words make sense,, I gave Dre the credit for that,, it suited a description of Dre at the time,, but dam I think this even more golden, I think he's talking about himself he's describing how he's hiding in the back of the scenes,, I seen j Zay live, he is so take Talented, he blew everyone out the water,, the talent was oozing out him with minimum effort, he's a legend💯💚🔥
He said "you ain't up on thanGz, Snoop Dogg is the name, Dogg Pounds the game"
And the full circle has to be Snoop getting that Death Row trademark! ®️G
To me that sounds like a Jays cadence. Not surprised he wrote it.
@@migueld8970 No wonder easy called them studio gangstas
Who’s here after the Super Bowl?
This random hip hop fact just made my day
I'm not a biter...Imma writer for myself and others...jay - z 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Jay has stolen so much he should be incarcerated
Jay is not a writer... writers write they own shit... he is an opportunist. If he know he can do it better he will... period. Jay a beast but he aint no serpent devouring other beasts
i say a big verse i’m only bigging up
Say a BIG verse Im only bigging up my brotha 🎤
@@seanbrick1160 I'm bigging up my borough, I'm big enough to do it. I'm that thorough but I know my own flow is foolish...that's the one time a rapper been humble at the same time being confident too.
I had heard something about this, but did not know he wrote Snoop verse too. One of my favorite songs from Jay Z is Allure. Lyricism was pure poetry.
This is the part that needs highlighted. I wasn't really feeling it when it came out, but Snoop's did the things
Allure is my favorite too. Produced by one of the best duos of all time: The Neptunes
@@maryland77 BIG FACTS
I always knew he wrote it cool to see him talking about it still dre is amazing!!
That's crazy, didn't know that. Love that album, love the track.
Real HipHop heads would buy the CD and read the credits on the inside. I still remember seeing "written by Shawn Carter, and Andre Young"almost exactly 20 years ago
Wait snoop got zero writing credit?
@@ye23. no, because he didnt write anything on the song. Thats all so why he didnt played in verzuz battle with dmx, because he said jay z wrote the whole song.
@@ye23. why would he? he is rapper, not producer or writer
Troll
The Watcher 2 is my favourite Jay Z track.
You could tell by the flow that it was Jay-Z. He has certain pauses in his verses that are just unique to him.
Word.
You learn something new everyday. 🔥
Suge Knight spilled the beans when the album first came out and it was in the credits. Y'all youngins probably don't know what that means but music used to come in small packages which contained a thin round object that was called a compact disk or CD for short. Once you place you CD into a CD player you would be able to hear the music. Also included in the packages were booklets of artwork or pictures (pics) of the artist or artists who's music was on the CD and also writings called credits which named the people involved with the making of the album, which is sometimes referred to as a record.
😂😁😂😁😂 👆🏾This made me chuckle
They probably still ain't fully picking up what you just put down. Lol. You Will have to tweet it or put it on IG for them to grasp it haha
Dropping some knowledge on tha youngins. 👊🏿
😂😂😂😂
💀💀💀 you are funny sir lmfaooo. Those was some good times tho.
This shows that music is a shared experience and more brains on the same page can do this constantly
I always knew Jay-Z wrote still dre because you can hear Jay-Z's flow in Dre's rapping. I'm impressed Jay wrote Snoop's part too. That I wasn't sure about.
That’s crazy imma big Jz Fan and I went back and listened to the song and can here him all on this track by the words he used like frequent,defeat, fell
Off and a list of other adjectives/verbs he always uses in his music
Yes if you really a Jay fan you can hear him on the song.
“Still got it wrapped like a mummy” dead giveaway
Jay a genius if u a kid that mimicked and tried to sound like your favorite rappers when u was growing up , u can appreciate what Jay Z is sayin 💯not only did he explain writing it he told us how he did it
Wow I just found out! Jay really is the Goat
Now Jay introduced Dre and friends to the NFL half time show..true friendships. 2022 baby
Never knew jay wrote that song til about 2 weeks ago......incredible
Jay z special one of the greatest of all time
still overrated, but he is top 10 or 15
@@ducatarina we don't care about your top 10, keep that to yourself
@@ducatarina went from most favorite to being the most hated, but would u rather be underpaid or overrated?
Even If He's Not Your Favorite Rapper You Still Have To Admit He's The Greatest Rapper Of All Time. No Rapper Anywhere Has Done What He's Done.
@Grim Reaper Tupac wasn’t gayy bruh, come on now.
I knew about this but didn't know he wrote the whole shit.
I honestly never knew! This is wild man. 🤯
I need to hear the reference track for sure 😄
I’m not the biggest Jay fan but this piece here made me like a lot more just because of how high I regard that song and the skill and creativeness it took him to come up with that.
For Jay it took 30 mins
The original version he wrote was rejected by Dre. He didn’t like it. He told Jay he needed something more in tune with with him and that Cali vibe. Jay went back, wrote is a second time and came back with some napalm.
And you were there when that happened?
Now snoop said he wrote it in less than an hour
Source: trust me, bro
@@senzomazibuko6937 I’ve been around everyone from Dre to Snoop to Pac to Big … face to face … I’m from that generation of hip hop and worked in the industry for years… but that’s besides the point, no I wasn’t there. It was in an interview with Dre around the time that album came out. It was probably The Source, XXL, Vibe or one of those magazines.
@@sherrkaan2673 source: trust me bro
It makes so much sense 😮😮 it's a very Jay Z like flow. I can hear his voice on Dre's first verse clear as the day.
Jay-Z is on a whole other level, up there with the greats in the history of music.
Jay Z once said ' when they want hits , they come to me !'
And Dre said: "When your album sales wasn't doing too well, who's the Dr they told you to come see...."
@@JoeJoe-wp1vv 🤣🤣🤣 ya wilding!!
Dre was the producer to go too
MORE LIKE YOU HAVE TO SELL YOUR SOUL BEHIND CLOSED DOORS 👀
@@quickbeats_by_e2693 Corny
For some of you younger folks out there, The D.O.C. also wrote a lot of verses on Dr. Dre’s ‘The Chronic’ and Snoop’s ‘Doggystyle’ album. You can definitely tell the difference between Snoop’s rhymes on those two albums and his follow-up ‘Tha Doggfather’ and other following albums.
Well I'll be darn oh gosh golly I never knew this but ain't surprised Jay came up with something that fly.
That’s hov never seece to amaze me 👌🏽 💯
Hov really did write the lyrics like the way Snoop and Dre would. A normal Hip-Hop listener just wouldn't know that it wasn't written by them.
I knew Jay-Z wrote Still Dre if you listen to it, it sounds like Jay's flow but I would love to hear the reference track.
Stop the 🧢 bro you didn't hear the song and just be like "shit jigga wrote this song fo sho....👍🏼😆🧢
@@danpeezy4803 Lmao yea at first you wouldn’t be able to tell. But after hearing Snoop talk about it and listening to the song again, Dre’s flow is exactly like JayZ flow on that song lol.
No cap Dre raps like whoever writes for him Snoop n DOC pens some of Chronic Dre rhymes like Snoop Jay writes for him Cadence just like Jay Em writes for him sounds like Em
@@danpeezy4803 actually yes, when I heard the part that go "still not lovin police, still rock my khakis with the cuff and a crease" I told myself that sounds like a Jay-Z wrote that.... Just like I can tell Eminem wrote Dre's verse in "Hello" with Cube and Ren just based off his flow in it
He's right, I suspected too
Crazy how he made it with such a west coast feel you would have never known other wise 🤷🏽♂️
Knowing that jay wrote it makes me love ot even more.
STILL one of my favorites hip-hop tracks.
Never knew Jayz wrote " Still Dre "
I didn't know that. Shit blew my mind for real
🔥
I never, ever knew Jay Z wrote still dre its exciting knowing