Automatic Knives - Side Opening VS OTF - Which is Better?
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I keep saying there are "2 springs in an OTF". What I meant was, "The spring inside an OTF is deployed and retracted using both sides of the spring". Most OTFs only have ONE spring, though I believe the Microtech Scarab actually DID have 2. I could be wrong though. Just wanted to clarify!
Metal Complex I have a Lightning OTF and I’m going to do a video on it soon! Any advice you’d like to give me?
I have 2 vids on that knife. Just talk about what you like, dislike, and what scenarios you think it'd be ideal in 😊👍
Metal Complex Thank you!!! I’ve had it for two years now and I have the disassembly down!
@@ohioknifelover i'd like to see that. Also do a disassembly.
chad christman Cool! Thanks buddy! I’ll probably film it tonight
The OTF lock isn't as "trustworthy", but if it fails, the blade just retracts. If the lock fails on an OTS auto or a manual folder, it can close on your fingers.
True! 👍
Mine did exactly that. Only otfs for me now
@davidliftsheavycircles what make and model failed on you?
@@davidliftsheavycircles its ONLY going to fail if you go head on with it and the object you try to pierce is too hard and the motion kicks the knife in the manner where it can break the lock and close on your fingers.
If the swing or motion stays ON the sharp edge side 100% of the time, it will never close on your fingers, it may break backwards which is OK because the flat side of the blade will not cut your back side of your hand.
Basic use of the knife in the proper motion, it will never close on your fingers.
Side opener, I’ve been addicted to the snap & wickering sound all my life. Got around 3 dozen autos
Agree!
Side. Opener for me as well.
I haa ee a couple OTF's.
While they. Are novel I wouldn't use them for EDC.
😊
I think I'm gonna go for an OTF as a construction worker. I wish there were options with taller blades, but I understand the packaging challenges. The hardest thing I'm likely to do with my knife is strip large wire, but it's WAY more common for me to need the knife for a few seconds at a time or one handed. WAYYYYY more common. If not OTF, I would go for an axis lock or push button manual.
Just don’t use that OTF to cut any Tyvek tape on the job site. Imagine having a fancy OTF and not wanting to use it because you have to cut some thing sticky or dirty. “ I have a knife, but can I borrow yours?”
Very good points. I can relate on why I got an OTF.
• Ease of carry. Much slimmer and less bulky than my Benchmade CLA.
• Ease of deployment. In-out. Sometimes you just need to make a quick cut and not go through the whole opening/closing process of a folder.
• Ease of retracting. Like stated, with an auto folder, you have a harder time closing.
• Safer. Due to the previous point, I often leave my auto folder open laying around instead of on my pocket. This includes the seat of my car...
I sold my CLA and I received my Microtech Ultratech last month and I'll be keeping it for a long time.
My Single Action Halo 5 has absolutely no blade play in it and absolutely has the same durability with the locking mechanism as side opening does it's awesome. I believe there is a video of a Microtech double action OTF being plunged through a 50 gallon steel drum multiple times and it's still works flawlessly.
Fun to watch some of the older videos. Seems to be a video no matter what topic I’m interested in. Thanks Metal!
I bought a utx 85 with one side full serrated the other plain edge and originally I got it as a novelty...Once I started using it it became the most useful knife I own for what I do at work.
A comment about the front blade locks on OTF knives: Inexpensive knives have thinnish locks that appear stamped with irregular edge profiles, and oversize lock recess that allow the lock to move around when under engagement pressure. Lock failure during the "nail test" isn't due to the lock tab failing, but to the oversized pocket allowing the lock to "bounce" when the handle is being hammered, causing the blade to momentarily unlock and collapse into the handle. When the knife is disassembled the lock appears "fine" because it wasn't a material failure, it was the result of additive variables. virtually any budget OTF can be greatly improved by replacing the stock front lock with a custom made one 1.5mm thick, with flat side edges, and rounded front and back (like Microtech), hand-fitted into the lock recess. The result is reduced or eliminated lock movement when engaged, and the rounded lock "nose" that sits behind the blade will tend to rotate toward the blade centerline under direct tip pressure, thus gaining the added strength of the handle material versus the stock, irregularly "squared" lock edge that tends to rotate away from blade centerline under pressure, making it easy to "bounce" out of engagement when hammering the handle.
Superior blade locks are one of the reasons it's worth shelling out the money for a Microtech. They're thicker, perfectly shaped, and fitted into equally perfect trapezoidal lock recess that allow the lock to move only in the manner designed. You'll never "bounce" a MT blade lock out of engagement by hammering the handle, and in that regard, the DA OTF becomes equal to a hinged-blade knife.
I have the Guardian Tactical Recon 0350 and It's great. It has yet to fail without me intentionally making it do so.
Still wanting a Protech Strider and MT SOCOM Auto. :)
I do like Ultratechs and Infidels though.
If I had those four, I'd take forever to leave the house trying to choose what to pocket.
Something I've yet to hear any reviewer mention is the construction of the Infidel versus the Combat Troodon, or any of the common MT DA OTF knives. In the MT line the blade rides on anodized aluminum which is quite hard and acts as a decent bearing surface, but, the Infidel uses twin plates of polished steel which is also quite hard and super-slick, imposing little friction to the blade. Given an equal "grit load" the steel on steel action inside an Infidel will function when the steel on anodized aluminum inside the MT will experience a stoppage. Also, that bit of "extra" play so many have commented on with the Infidel isn't simply an oversight or the result of poor build quality, or inferior design. The "play" has zero negative impact on function or strength, but allows the knife to work "dirty" versus binding up with the slightest amount of debris.
MT blades locks (discussed below) are super-high toleranced which means they can be clogged up by liquid ooze taking the knife out of action. The swinging hinge style dual locks in the Infidel are more expensive to make and time, but it would take more "ooze" to impede their function, and there are two. Additionally, MT blade locks are spring-driven - with tiny coils, while the Infidel's locks are actuated by a powerful leaf spring stack. The Infidel also uses coil compression springs to drive the blade which eliminates a prime weakness of coil extension springs - the single coil on the end that loops into the blade hooks. Then the hooks themselves...MT uses a bent-steel version to extend the blade, thickly built and well tempered for sure, but the Infidel uses a massive drum on the end of the drive rod - zero flex, and will never get tweaked due to repetitive spring force.
Not that I'm worried about my MT knives failing, but when you look at each design point by point, it's clear the Benchmade is a superior design for reliable function, but it's also a more expensive knife to build. When you look inside a MT your first thought is, why did this cost so much?, but when you look inside an Infidel you know exactly why it cost so much!
Both are excellent, well-crafted knives though.
After having springs fail on assisted knives, I can’t bring myself to spend big money on an auto. I bought a used Kershaw Launch 1 just because it was inexpensive. That’ll probably be the only one I buy. But that’s just me. Give me a manual with good materials and a frame lock.
Great ramble man. Hope to catch ya in the live tonight. As far as the legal stuff it changes all the time as far as I know its legal to own anything in idaho but cant carry it all
Can't carry autos where I'm at but if I could think side fire are more useable/more like standard folders, but OTFs are definitely cool I'd carry around an Ultratech Tanto or Hellhound, double edge just don't do it for me for EDC. And daggers or double edge are also illegal where I'm at.
Side Open for me.
But not as an EDC.
I carry a 3 inch fixed blade on my hip. Quick deploy, and super sturdy.
Just ordered the akc f16, nice budget otf. Got it with the carbon fiber inlay and bayonet style blade, can’t wait! I wish you could do an unboxing and first impressions of it sometime, that would be dope!
I think the Atomic Defender gives the Lightning a run for the same money. It's a big, loose copy of the Combat Troodon that fires very hard and solid. Like all so-called "budget" OTFs it's heavy due to Zinc-alloy handle, and it has a modest front blade lock of around 1mm thickness, set into a somewhat oversized lock recess, but this is no different than every other OTF in the class. When lock out, the blade is quite solid with just a hint of blade movement. With a sharp blade it's as a good a "cutter" as any hinge-blade since the closely-fitted handle supports the blade very well. I doubt it would do as well in the "nail test" but it would be in the company of most at the point of lock failure.
My wife and I tried a lot of side automatics at Blade Show Texas and we really didn't see any advantage for them over OTFs other than being more resistant to debris.
We found it easier to find the trigger and fire an OTF than the button on a side automatic, and she really didn't like how the Protechs almost jumped out of her hand.
Plus, as you pointed out, OTFs are the easiest knife to put away one-handed, bar none, and side autos are one of the worst.
I've never had an auto knife, but I do have a spring assisted so if I do get an auto eventually I think I should get an OTF first. I tend to prefer a manual folders, but I'd try an auto.
Where are the double actions side open autos? I'm joking, I don't know how that would be possible and it's almost certain to chop fingers.
Really like my Protech,but too expensive for everyday carry. I use my Boker Strike in D2 for EDC.
I'd like to see microtech utx-85 vs mtn forged recon. I have a MTN and think they are pretty close but mine is half the price of the microtech.
A point I just thought of; what if you’re wearing thick gloves? Wouldn’t it be a bit harder to push the button instead of actuating the switch on an OTF? Doubt that would be a real big point, but I dunno, it might be one of those things that might not matter, but when it does, it might suddenly be a larger point to think about
ive been carrying a knife for 40 yrs now and NEVER even thought that it was illegal to carry a knife
Nice ramble.. i have a protech out the side.. love that knife !!!
quite a few old customs dalton's had side-opening daggers
The only thing keeping otf knives from being far more superior over the switch blades is simple. Its a bitch to clean, and if the spring goes bad, the whole knife is good as phucked. Their also too extensive in terms of using them as a disposable knife. So heres what i got after watching this vid. For cutting dry substances like rope or cardboard, use otfs. For cutting things such as food or for self defense, use switch blades
It’s also much thick to keep in your pocket, sometimes it’s nice to have something sleek and slim and quick at the ready. I prefer manuals but for a lady who carry’s for defense, hasn’t daily used or carry a blade and definitely doesn’t want people to know they’re carrying 🤷
My Kershaw launch 1 fails from time to time so it went into storage,my Microtech ultratec has yet to fail me.OTF all day.🙋🏻♂️
If you frequently use your knife for food I would say that the side opener is far superior. If you use an OTF as an eating utensil, you’re going to gum it up in no time.
I prefer a fix's blade or a lock blade knife
MC, what would you say about the utility of a balisong?
Eh... balisongs are neat to look at, but for most people, they'll probably be more of a hassle than a manual/assisted/automatic knife.
Ok, thanks.
The lock is as strong as your grip
Anyone else notice that the otf looks like a pp on the blade
In the middle of the blade yea 😂
Cannot be unseen
I'm after a good side opening auto and looking hard at Pro tech. I like the drop point for its versatility. Personally I think OTFs are stupid. A spear point is pretty much useless and is only good for one thing.
every style of knife has its positive and negative.
OTF is the most convenient for everyday basic use but its the weakest.
OTS manual requires more work but if the lock fails and the motion is right, it can close on your fingers ....
OTS auto is the same with less work.
Straight fixed blade is the best but the size of it makes it difficult to carry.
OTF’s are fun when it’s a double action
If you get a cheap otf knife you never have to Maintain it just works
O.T.F. - Oh The Fun 🥰
In the People's Republic of California we can only carry a 2 inch or under automatic knife.
In the texas nation ruled by Governor for life, anyone can get any gun, regardless of background history.
Your my favorite youtuber but I think you should watch the xbox ring and see what they do to the microtech knives that might change your mind microtech otfs are beast and more durable than almost any other knife
I'm very familiar with X-Ring! While I agree they're very durable, they definitely aren't the most durable knives out there 😉. Thanks for the kind words.
I want to get a back opening knife.
I don’t see any advantage to either of these knives...both styles just have something else to go wrong. I’m glad I have come to the conclusion that I don’t want either...because OTF’s are too expensive anyway.
Well, I'm happy you were able to reach something conclusive 👍
Metal Complex...LOL.
It's gravity knives for me. I smithed a custom side opening one with bearings, and it is as easy to open and close as a double action otf and far more simple. I did put too much time into it to really carry it around a lot without fear of losing it.
All knifes are awesome ... And so you are buddy!!' Yeah you! the one reading this. Keep safe everyone. 🤘🔥💪
Great video 👍
Just got a manual one hand opening and closing knife and don't worry about this whole issue. All automatic knives are inferior to every other knife type.
👍Glad your focusing on usefulness as a tool to many times I hear them referred to as weapons I hate that no wonder there illegal in so many places I could have a big MACHETE or flipper legally but pick up a tinny auto and I'm breaking the law stupid stupid
I would never trust my life on an OTF knive
Who said anything about trusting an OTF with your life? I don't think you were paying attention.
I wouldn't ever trust my life to any knife.. The only thing that my life's trust is put in is my Remington R1 2011 .40. Double stack 1911 high performance race gun.. Full size pistol, ultra high performance and what I shoot in a lot of matches so I'm very in tune with that gun and failures are almost never and I'm talking about thousands of rounds without any failure.
When I need a compact pistol it's a Sig P229 Legion SAO 9mm. Best compact 9mm on the market with ease and only 1200 dollars for as flipping good as it is. Those two things I trust my life to, I love my knifes and diff am a knife guy and have a bunch of high end stuff and hard to get sprint run stuff. I also have a couple full customs. But would never carry a knife for protection, I EDC knifes for cutting tasks, I EDC my CCs for protection...
@@EDCandLace Why not a Glock?
Yep.. those are some pretty good tools.. for killin' fools! If I were gonna kill me up a killing, I would select a double edge dagger otf. I mean, yes those are splendid tools for construction work.
Ridiculous price on that infidel
Of course you mentioned this is entirely your opinion to each there own not everyone is on a ladder. can you see someone carrying this infidel to she office setting which a lot of people work in. there is always a use for a knife it’s a tool correct. There’s better “tools” knives then to carry than OTF but it’s America carry what you want I used to be into them.i would go with out the side if I had to choose.overated still is my opinion
The video is really just about side openers vs OTFs. Not whether or not automatic knives are acceptable or appropriate for any conceivable circumstance vs manual knives.
Metal Complex I know what you are talking about I just mentioned my opinion cuz you ranted off i know what the video was about and eventually ended up about it OTF vs Out the side however it was more of a left field rant for some reason I don’t care about these knives I don’t care if there appropriate or not. I comment to support your channel. I your vids however I will wait til your done talking about knives. Peace brother