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As far as I know we still have the FNC1 in war stock? I miss the solid green camo. When I joined 1997 we were just starting the transition to Cadpat. (99)
@inclusivemodeldesigns16 - In talking to someone who worked at a CFSD, the C1s and C2s were all returned to the central depots after they were retired. A few were modified to be shipped out to museums. All the other C1s and C2s were then put into war stock storage. Involved oiling the weapons up, placing them into plastic bags, palletizing them, sealing the pallets, and then warehousing them. Once the pallets are sealed, only the seals have to be checked to ensure integrity for about 10 years, instead of having to count every single rifle every quarter. However, when the warehousing process was done, the bags weren’t sealed correctly, the warehouses they were stored in weren’t humidity and temperature controlled, and there was no yearly check of a pallet to ensure their condition. The pallets were finally opened after 10 years to do the full count, and every single rifle had rusted beyond salvageable condition. Also didn’t help that all the rifles were already 30 years old when they went into storage, and the vast majority of them were completely worn out. Therefore, the only C1 and C2 rifles that exist today are the units that were shipped out as museum pieces. All the other rifles had to be sent to destruction, as there was no salvaging them. We also don’t have a lot of clipped 7.62mm ammunition left, so they wouldn’t be effective for war stock anymore.
Loved the FN C1. You could cake it with mud and it would still chamber and fire. The only time it was difficult was when fireing blancs, jammed all the time, especially in winter.
That doesn't look like the FNC, it IS the FNC. According to this video, the main reason why it wasn't adopted was due to it being inferior to the M16/AR-15 when it came to drop tests (bent barrels specifically mentioned) and long term wear of the parts.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd yes, they talked about catastrophic failures as well. I talked to some guys that tested the fnc in the 90s when Luxembourg looked for a new replacement, the rifles we tested had the same catastrophic failures, being cracks in the welds connecting the op rod and bolt carrier. One sergeant described it: wush and the whole op rod was flying past my head.
The US Marine Corps suddenly wanted a new rifle in late 70's to early 80's, tested everything available in the world... they reported a lot of disappointment with all the other options and went back to the M16. That's when they offered up the A2 changes to the M16.
wich one is better....simple .....politic made the choice but thank to the post, to mrs Ryan, it was very interesting to know more i did use the both weapon
@@A_Ryan We didn't get issued them until late 87. 3 PPCLI was the first to receive the C7 in time for its 1988 deployment to Cyprus. The next units to receive them were the infantry bns in Germany in 1988: 2 PPCLI and 1 Vandoo.
good ol gag'town nb, the butts on the c7 would split if you brought them from the shoulder arms to the order arms too hard when doing drill on the parade square in winter
And NEVER go from "Ground Arms" to "Carry Arms" when at Close Order and Bayonets Fixed! - had a good friend get stabbed in the back of his arm when we did that on Parade..... He was MOST annoyed to see a bayonet sticking out of his shoulder while he bled all over his DEU's!
We should have kept some C1 7.62 rifle as marksman rifle especially during Afghanistan as the average combat range there was 500 to 900 meters. The Taliban knew the weakness of the 5.56 range so they would use PKM and longer range rifles as well as IED to great effects. It also the reason why the US took out their M14 out of storage and British using their L29A1 sharpshooter rifles on foot patrols.
FN FALs are not particularly accurate rifles, and they are terrible DMRs, even worse than M14s. There's a reason the list of users of FALs as DMRs is basically: the Irish, a couple African states, and that's it.
never bring the C7 into a warm area then out to cold area... bolt lock lol. Remember our first winter ex with them.... soldiers hitting butt to butt to break the freeze on the bolt carrier lol. Solved easily by enforcing the rule of don't bring in and out of warm areas
@@serpentvert The problem is that an INJURED soldier is just a MAD soldier and MORE DANGEROUS! My Grandfather was only taken to an Aid Station after 4 Gun Shot Wounds AND being hit by German artillery in WW1 (at Cambrai, 7 Sept 1918) And HE SURVIVED after walking 5 km holding in his own intestines. And THOSE were 7.92mm bullets. Most Casualties are usually only taken off the field AFTER the battle. Medics usually only run around giving First Aid.
@@normmcrae1140 Or more commonly, an injured soldier after getting plugged 4 times would be screaming his lungs out crying until they stopped breathing. Your grandpa got really lucky and is a textbook example of the 1 in 10'000 person who didn't go down after getting shot 4 times.
@@HaloFTW55 BULLSHIT - There are THOUSANDS who get shot and get back up again. There are LOTS of records of soldiers getting shot MULTIPLE TIMES and STILL FIGHTING. Adrenalin is a POWERFUL drug, and in wartime - that is what you are running on! In wartime, one single bullet SELDOM kills or even STOPS your enemy. It takes MULTIPLE shots to put them down and KEEP them down! YES - I know this because I'VE SEEN IT PERSONALLY.
I fired the C7, the rife is garbage and like I said the round is to small!!! IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE CANADIAN ARMY A RIFLE AND ROUND THAT GETS THE JOB DONE!!!!
@ The problem is the fact that the enemy's 7.62 can go THROUGH the 8" tree I'm hiding behind and still kill me - the 5.56 is deflected by shrubbery! My Grandfather in WW1 was hit by German fire and STILL FOUGHT ON! An INJURED soldier is STILL LETHAL! A DEAD soldier isn't. BTW - My grandfather was shot 4 times, and hit by artillery, and STILL walked 5 km to an Aid Station, holding in his own intestines, and STILL SURVIVED.
@@normmcrae1140 7.62x39 is considerably slower than 5.56 NATO so in the end they carry roughly the same energy. And even the russians moved away from 7.62 and they did so a lot sooner than NATO. If you're talking about SVDs and PKMs with 7.62x54r that's another story, but those are uncommon like what we have right now with C14 Timberwolves and C6. You said your grandpa got shot in the gut during ww1 and survived? Then by that logic even 7.92x57 isn't enough and we should start issuing 50 BMG to everyone. The whole reason NATO countries moved away from 7.62x51 is because 556 is very fast, it's the kinetic energy that makes rounds lethal, you can achieve this through both speed and mass. It's lighter therefore you can carry more ammunition and is much more controllable in rapid fire
@@oliverclosehoff8036 7.62 what? 7.62 tokarev? No it doesn't tokarev doesn't go through any sort of hard surface And black tip 556 like M995 does go through plates
As far as I know we still have the FNC1 in war stock? I miss the solid green camo. When I joined 1997 we were just starting the transition to Cadpat. (99)
Olive drab combats.
@@NovaScotiaNewfie Did anything ever match? LOL.
@inclusivemodeldesigns16 - In talking to someone who worked at a CFSD, the C1s and C2s were all returned to the central depots after they were retired. A few were modified to be shipped out to museums.
All the other C1s and C2s were then put into war stock storage. Involved oiling the weapons up, placing them into plastic bags, palletizing them, sealing the pallets, and then warehousing them. Once the pallets are sealed, only the seals have to be checked to ensure integrity for about 10 years, instead of having to count every single rifle every quarter.
However, when the warehousing process was done, the bags weren’t sealed correctly, the warehouses they were stored in weren’t humidity and temperature controlled, and there was no yearly check of a pallet to ensure their condition. The pallets were finally opened after 10 years to do the full count, and every single rifle had rusted beyond salvageable condition. Also didn’t help that all the rifles were already 30 years old when they went into storage, and the vast majority of them were completely worn out.
Therefore, the only C1 and C2 rifles that exist today are the units that were shipped out as museum pieces. All the other rifles had to be sent to destruction, as there was no salvaging them. We also don’t have a lot of clipped 7.62mm ammunition left, so they wouldn’t be effective for war stock anymore.
The mold smell.. Think everyone had it. LOL
Loved the FN C1. You could cake it with mud and it would still chamber and fire. The only time it was difficult was when fireing blancs, jammed all the time, especially in winter.
And killed anything it hit!
Did we seriously almost adopt what looks like the FNC??
man, imagine that timeline
I wouldn't have a C7/C8 addiction, but I still have an AK-5 addiction today lol
That doesn't look like the FNC, it IS the FNC. According to this video, the main reason why it wasn't adopted was due to it being inferior to the M16/AR-15 when it came to drop tests (bent barrels specifically mentioned) and long term wear of the parts.
@@burnyburnoutze2nd yes, they talked about catastrophic failures as well. I talked to some guys that tested the fnc in the 90s when Luxembourg looked for a new replacement, the rifles we tested had the same catastrophic failures, being cracks in the welds connecting the op rod and bolt carrier. One sergeant described it: wush and the whole op rod was flying past my head.
The US Marine Corps suddenly wanted a new rifle in late 70's to early 80's, tested everything available in the world... they reported a lot of disappointment with all the other options and went back to the M16. That's when they offered up the A2 changes to the M16.
imagine, they could've gone with the FNC
My dad was the first PM SARP!
My dad liked the FN, I would like to try it out too. Even with iron sights, it would make a good marksman rifle.
wich one is better....simple .....politic made the choice
but thank to the post, to mrs Ryan, it was very interesting to know more
i did use the both weapon
What year is this from?
When was this made, may I ask?
About 1986, made by the National Film Board. C7 was introduced in 1985.
@@A_Ryan We didn't get issued them until late 87. 3 PPCLI was the first to receive the C7 in time for its 1988 deployment to Cyprus. The next units to receive them were the infantry bns in Germany in 1988: 2 PPCLI and 1 Vandoo.
@@A_Ryan Thank you very much sir!
I did basic in Cornwallis in 88, we were still using the FN. didn’t get issued the C7 until we got to our unit in 89
good ol gag'town nb, the butts on the c7 would split if you brought them from the shoulder arms to the order arms too hard when doing drill on the parade square in winter
And NEVER go from "Ground Arms" to "Carry Arms" when at Close Order and Bayonets Fixed! - had a good friend get stabbed in the back of his arm when we did that on Parade..... He was MOST annoyed to see a bayonet sticking out of his shoulder while he bled all over his DEU's!
We should have kept some C1 7.62 rifle as marksman rifle especially during Afghanistan as the average combat range there was 500 to 900 meters. The Taliban knew the weakness of the 5.56 range so they would use PKM and longer range rifles as well as IED to great effects. It also the reason why the US took out their M14 out of storage and British using their L29A1 sharpshooter rifles on foot patrols.
FN FALs are not particularly accurate rifles, and they are terrible DMRs, even worse than M14s. There's a reason the list of users of FALs as DMRs is basically: the Irish, a couple African states, and that's it.
I think the FN has more to offer, with upgrades added.
never bring the C7 into a warm area then out to cold area... bolt lock lol. Remember our first winter ex with them.... soldiers hitting butt to butt to break the freeze on the bolt carrier lol. Solved easily by enforcing the rule of don't bring in and out of warm areas
Also - that Plastic magazine they issued were PIECES OF SH*T! Jammed EVERY time!
@@normmcrae1140 aw hellz yes lol.
@PompierCanadien with the C1 it was easier lol. Tolerances weren't as tight as the C7 series so with the changeover you REALLY had to remember lol
No combat on til Bosnia Herzegovina
Give me a 7.62 anytime!!! I will take anyone at 800 m or more!!
I LOVED my C-1!
5.56 just too weak, this is not a powerful enough round!!! should have been 6.68!!! I can only wonder who's STUPID idea this was????!!!!!?!?!?
the intent is to cause injury. That way you take two people out of battle, The injured pers and the pers required to provide aide
5.56 was never designed to wound, that’s fudd lore. 5.56 is very lethal and lighter, I know which one I’d rather have
@@serpentvert The problem is that an INJURED soldier is just a MAD soldier and MORE DANGEROUS! My Grandfather was only taken to an Aid Station after 4 Gun Shot Wounds AND being hit by German artillery in WW1 (at Cambrai, 7 Sept 1918) And HE SURVIVED after walking 5 km holding in his own intestines. And THOSE were 7.92mm bullets.
Most Casualties are usually only taken off the field AFTER the battle. Medics usually only run around giving First Aid.
@@normmcrae1140 Or more commonly, an injured soldier after getting plugged 4 times would be screaming his lungs out crying until they stopped breathing.
Your grandpa got really lucky and is a textbook example of the 1 in 10'000 person who didn't go down after getting shot 4 times.
@@HaloFTW55 BULLSHIT - There are THOUSANDS who get shot and get back up again. There are LOTS of records of soldiers getting shot MULTIPLE TIMES and STILL FIGHTING. Adrenalin is a POWERFUL drug, and in wartime - that is what you are running on! In wartime, one single bullet SELDOM kills or even STOPS your enemy. It takes MULTIPLE shots to put them down and KEEP them down! YES - I know this because I'VE SEEN IT PERSONALLY.
I fired the C7, the rife is garbage and like I said the round is to small!!! IT'S TIME TO GIVE THE CANADIAN ARMY A RIFLE AND ROUND THAT GETS THE JOB DONE!!!!
I think NATO has changed it's standard ammo to 6.5mm. The 5.56 just didn't have enough stopping power when the bad guys have a 7.62!
@ The problem is the fact that the enemy's 7.62 can go THROUGH the 8" tree I'm hiding behind and still kill me - the 5.56 is deflected by shrubbery! My Grandfather in WW1 was hit by German fire and STILL FOUGHT ON! An INJURED soldier is STILL LETHAL! A DEAD soldier isn't. BTW - My grandfather was shot 4 times, and hit by artillery, and STILL walked 5 km to an Aid Station, holding in his own intestines, and STILL SURVIVED.
@@normmcrae1140 7.62x39 is considerably slower than 5.56 NATO so in the end they carry roughly the same energy. And even the russians moved away from 7.62 and they did so a lot sooner than NATO. If you're talking about SVDs and PKMs with 7.62x54r that's another story, but those are uncommon like what we have right now with C14 Timberwolves and C6.
You said your grandpa got shot in the gut during ww1 and survived? Then by that logic even 7.92x57 isn't enough and we should start issuing 50 BMG to everyone.
The whole reason NATO countries moved away from 7.62x51 is because 556 is very fast, it's the kinetic energy that makes rounds lethal, you can achieve this through both speed and mass. It's lighter therefore you can carry more ammunition and is much more controllable in rapid fire
@@pepebeezon772 but 5.56 doesn't go through block and wood sometimes steel and kill intended targets like a 7.62 will!!
@@oliverclosehoff8036 7.62 what? 7.62 tokarev? No it doesn't tokarev doesn't go through any sort of hard surface And black tip 556 like M995 does go through plates