Lamy Safari Fountain Pen Nib Size Comparison

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  • So, you've decided to start your adventure in the wonderful world of fountain pens. Kudos to you and welcome aboard! The Lamy Safari is one of the top choices for starter fountain pens for their durability, writing quality, and affordable price. In this video, Tom guides you through finding the right Safari nib size for you. Check out the writing comparison with popular gel and ballpoint pens. See how easy it is to swap the nib with other pens like the LAMY AL-Star, Studio, Logo, Joy, Scala, Nexx, and CP1 fountain pens.
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  • @luisocampoaltamirano2890
    @luisocampoaltamirano2890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    My mother went to Germany and she brought me a Lamy safari, transparent one with a fine nib and I love it 🥰

    • @watsinurfreezer8789
      @watsinurfreezer8789 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lamy vista its called the same pen but called different

  • @Sisyphus108
    @Sisyphus108 4 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    The comparison with the gel pen tips is much appreciated 👌🏽

  • @CameraCapers
    @CameraCapers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I am so happy to have found this video! I just ordered a Lamy B nib. I already have the A, EF. F. M. 1.1 and 1.5. It is nice to see the comparison in this informative video.

  • @zombiesneedluv21
    @zombiesneedluv21 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the video Tom - Very informative and useful. I'm glad you are able to take the time to make these helpful videos, they are much appreciated!

  • @yetbog
    @yetbog 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Thank you for doing this video, I'm new to fountaint pens and I'm doing my transition from the standard rollerball pens, so I find this really useful!

  • @mikelluka7643
    @mikelluka7643 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    So glad to watch this video . I have bought my lamy fountain pen recently. It's my second fountain pen after my pilot metropolitan fine nib. Really I'm smitten with fountain pens

  • @Ambs2023
    @Ambs2023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You, sir, write beautifully! Thanks for the help!

  • @genecampanelli7456
    @genecampanelli7456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow this was so helpful! Thank you so much for making this!

  • @GothicWiccan61
    @GothicWiccan61 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    So glad you made this video, I want to branch out from extra fine and try new pens. I'm going to give the lamy safari a try (m) (b) (1.1mm)

  • @toddwilliams8645
    @toddwilliams8645 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent... really like the comparison with pens we might have experience with. “Fine,” it is! Thank you for taking the time to make this.

  • @ullazitabinder2091
    @ullazitabinder2091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for doing this video, now I have the knowledge to buy my first fountain pen :D For general bujo'ing I'll go with an EF nib, but I also want to give it a go with calligraphy/lettering, so will be buying a stub nib too :)

  • @amjadali-tv3si
    @amjadali-tv3si 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Worth to write with lamy. Love it.

  • @Charlie_Duz
    @Charlie_Duz 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    When I first saw Lamy fountain pens I really didn't like the look of them. I think it was the clip. Then I saw them used for sketching and started to become intrigued. Last week I bought my first AL Star and now I'm hooked! Really helpful video. I feel like I've joined a fountain pen cult, but in a good way. ✒️

    • @priyanaresh6012
      @priyanaresh6012 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Did you buy a fine or extra fine, which one would be good for sketching

    • @Charlie_Duz
      @Charlie_Duz 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@priyanaresh6012 The EF nib is too thin for writing, but good for fine detail and hatching; F good for writing and sketching. M & B both good for sketching in A5 & A4+ Depends how you write and draw, I suppose. I can see myself using the Fine nib the most.

  • @ogotuwaobuto5366
    @ogotuwaobuto5366 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. And absolutely beautiful handwriting.

  • @lr662
    @lr662 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for going the extra mile to compare the nibs to gel/ballpoint etc pens noobs are familiar with.

  • @ExiledExia
    @ExiledExia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for the wonderful video. I'm going to order a all black safari with a 1.1mm stub nib. Love these pens!

    • @mrpatato137
      @mrpatato137 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it's the one I'm thinking about its dope I don't have it though but I wish

    • @user-wl6ew5eq1e
      @user-wl6ew5eq1e 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      got an all white one with a bold and some j. herbin bleu ocean as my first FP and i love it, just ordered a 1.9mm and a fine nib with some noodlers heart of darkness to fully test it out

  • @jitsdinnissen9127
    @jitsdinnissen9127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Extremely helpfull, thank you!!!

  • @vanessacardenas8775
    @vanessacardenas8775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Extremely helpful video!
    "Real work" 😆😆

  • @danmamo5849
    @danmamo5849 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The savannah green matt finish looks amazing.

  • @jasonthatjason1912
    @jasonthatjason1912 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kudos, This was quite helpful! Broad, Fast, and Big it is!

  • @arudd909
    @arudd909 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm enjoying the Medium nib for my work notes. I'm interested in the stub nib however, just not sure which stub to go with lol.

  • @AprilAnneMoncada
    @AprilAnneMoncada 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like your penmanship.

  • @rahulkmuraleedharan
    @rahulkmuraleedharan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fine - medium is my choice
    and I strongly recommend LAMY nexx is cheap and best.

  • @strshooter7399
    @strshooter7399 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🙂 Excellent Video Tom, well done.

  • @edzejandehaan9265
    @edzejandehaan9265 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ordered a lamy safari this morning, my first real fountain pen (tried a disposable v-pen first), decided to go for a fine nib. Judging by this vid I think that was a good choice.

  • @_Cereal_Killer_1998
    @_Cereal_Killer_1998 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very very useful video buddy

  • @sathishkumar-qs3ce
    @sathishkumar-qs3ce 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and very useful

  •  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi, thanks for the video. I have a Lamy Safari EF pen but it writes too thick, it is much thicker than what you show us in the video, could it be a factory defect?

  • @david_bandera
    @david_bandera 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just what I was looking for! I have a Safari that came with the M nib, but since I’m left handed… well, quite a pain. Besides I tend to write small, so I’ll probably try out the EF. Thank you.

    • @carlaeskelsen
      @carlaeskelsen ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm left handed, too. But I just hate the feel of the fine nib I got. I usually write with .9 or 1.0 gels in broad bright colors, and yes, they smear, but I'm working on that and it's what I like, so... I want to just get the M anyway, but I worry that I'll be doing something bad.

  • @ollie54able
    @ollie54able ปีที่แล้ว

    Very good & informative video. Great comparison with non-fountain pens. Any recommendations as to which pen to consider for art work both on cold and hot press watercolor papers. Thanks.

  • @hawaiirealmedia5610
    @hawaiirealmedia5610 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very helpful. thanks

  • @tootpaste427
    @tootpaste427 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Honestly as a maths student what I really want to see is someone trying to write on 8mm lined 90gsm paper with a complicated esk summation formula of some description. I'm contemplating moving from a Lamy Medium to a Lamy fine because I just can't quite get my summation formulas to be easily readable.

  • @NortelGeek
    @NortelGeek 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video! Word of advice, folks--for those just starting out, try the Pilot Varsity first. The nib is heartier than the Lamy, I believe.

  • @sherrycohen1824
    @sherrycohen1824 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have been writing with Lamy fountain pens on and off for nearly 40 years! I have them in almost every color. It's weird but the only medium nib that is too broad for me is the one that came with the special edition Petrol pen. It really writes like a broad nib.

  • @engicitita
    @engicitita 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi, great video, but I have one question: dark nib is like the silver nib? I have one lamy with a medium M nib, but it doesn't write like yours M nib.

  • @georgekasimis1323
    @georgekasimis1323 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you please review A nib, which is a starter nib and how it is different from M and B? I have just got it with nexx and it is extremely smooth, how would it compare with other 'adult' nibs? cheers

  • @dragon202006
    @dragon202006 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Any thing special a left handed person will need. I ordered my first fountain pen and it should be here Friday. It's the lamy safari

  • @juanlara4127
    @juanlara4127 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i like the intro good job

  • @lukewarmheart2343
    @lukewarmheart2343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a lefty but I don't like ef. Should I go for m? I don't like fine either

  • @baraturizoltan
    @baraturizoltan ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks, the video.

  • @Hindif
    @Hindif 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got mine with an extra fine nib but when I wrote with it it is much thicker it looks like a medium nib , what can i do with this

  • @user-wl6ew5eq1e
    @user-wl6ew5eq1e 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    got a fine, broad, and 1.9mm for my first safari

  • @kokolexx
    @kokolexx ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the Lamy 2000 also have similar nib size? Will the F in safari writes the same size with F in Lamy 2000?

  • @sdysaat6400
    @sdysaat6400 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you 👍

  • @kelyrin-douceuretdessin9476
    @kelyrin-douceuretdessin9476 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi ! Thank you so much for this video. I’m looking for a fountain pen that I’ll use both for drawing and writing. I heard that the F and EF nibs are really scratchy when you write with them and I hate this feeling, i prefer my pens to glide smoothly. Would you recommend the M then ? I love the way M looks but I’m afraid it will be too thick if I write / draw small, like writing in my Leuchtturm 1917 bullet journal or sketching on an A6 watercolor sketchbook. Thanks I’m advance !

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Lamy Safari nib tends to run a bit broader than other types of fountain pen nibs. Because you would like to draw as well, I'd suggest a fine point to achieve intricate details. True, a medium would be smoother. But, Lamy nibs tend to also be smoother to start. The only one that will definitely be a bit scratcher will be the EF.

    • @kelyrin-douceuretdessin9476
      @kelyrin-douceuretdessin9476 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoldspotPens thank you so much ! 😊 I purchased an M and am so happy with it for writing. Turns out I really love the generic blue ink, as it’s what I grew up with… so I’ll probably get a second one with an F nib for drawing, and get a black waterproof ink ☺️

  • @Orochi_001
    @Orochi_001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Can any of these handle newsprint without snagging or feathering badly? I’d be using an extremely well-behaved ink, like Waterman. Thanks!

    • @clueless3045
      @clueless3045 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      the extra fine is ok as long as if a you wright fairly fast

  • @KelmoMusic
    @KelmoMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will the Calligraphy nibs work on a Safari? A bit confused about the whole system, was hoping there would be a calligraph nib available for it.

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The LZ50SL 1.1, 1.5, and 1.9mm nibs will work on the Safari.

  • @Messi10billy
    @Messi10billy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Whats the best for architecture sketch?

  • @krishnakumar-zp8qf
    @krishnakumar-zp8qf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a black coloured lamy safari

  • @escaman55
    @escaman55 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want a fountain pen that has a wider downstroke n a narrow upstroke. I love doing calligraphy handwriting in the lamy safari pen. Which one do u suggest..?

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sounds like you're looking for a flex nib. Check out our flex nib starter guide here - th-cam.com/video/LbqAAygxtnw/w-d-xo.html

  • @MichaelPartridge24
    @MichaelPartridge24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are those all All Black Safaris?

  • @arnavanuj
    @arnavanuj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you

  • @jonathonshanecrawford1840
    @jonathonshanecrawford1840 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a bunch of Jinhao 777 fountain pens and 1 Lamy Safari fountain pen. Are the nibs interchangeable? As Lamy Safari can be quite costly (NZ$60) and the Jinhao are quite cheap ($NZ5) and the Safari nibs are around $NZ26 I would like to buy one of their 1.1 italic/calligraphy nibs!

  • @auscaliber1
    @auscaliber1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    exposure settings can be helpful

  • @jonathonshanecrawford1840
    @jonathonshanecrawford1840 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is 90gms paper good for fountain pens as to 80gsm? Like with the Lamy A6 Notebook?

  • @deepasampathkumar
    @deepasampathkumar 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can i use waterproof ink in lamy? Is there a wsrerproof ink. I dont like losing writing to water

  • @thecsslife
    @thecsslife 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have a lami safari but I hate the grip section after a long period of writing. I typically ink it with bright colours when making annotations, writes well when writing quick notes.

    • @Transformers147
      @Transformers147 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      thecsslife try to make difference in grips of your fingers.

  • @linneawestberg6435
    @linneawestberg6435 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi! i have a pengrip that makes it uncomfy to hold a lamy with its triangular grip unless i grip it upside down. i know that its possible to write like that but would rather not. can i spin the grip to give me a comfy hold somehow? thanks!

  • @KneeKrusher
    @KneeKrusher 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Im a noob and idk if my pen is broken or not, I have a fine point lamy safari and I've noticed I have to write faster n much lighter than before or else the ink comes flowing out like Niagara.

    • @gertahnstrom784
      @gertahnstrom784 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This sound like a paper issue, more than a pen issue. If writing with fountain pen ink on absorbent paper, the ink will gush out like you explained. There is different inks that can be more 'dry' as in that they gush out as easily. But try on some different paper first and most likely you will find a very different experience.

  • @danielribeiro4618
    @danielribeiro4618 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which ink did you use on this testing?

  • @solarionispirit2117
    @solarionispirit2117 หลายเดือนก่อน

    there are differences in steel and black nibs regarding linewidth on the paper

  • @erikknudsen4034
    @erikknudsen4034 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have small, technical looking writing and currently use a .5mm pencil. I love making my notes look awesome. So, I'm wanting to use ink and try fountain pens - anyone have a recommendation on nib size? I was thinking Lamy fine?

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lamy tends to run a bit thicker in line weight, so I'd recommend extra-fine in your case.

  • @eren_turan
    @eren_turan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Please somebody can help there is 17 and 19 what is the differences ??

  • @mosingh7192
    @mosingh7192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Which is the best suitable ink for these pens other than lamy ink?

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are plenty to try. My own personal recommendations (Tom's) would be Robert Oster, Waterman, Sailor, Diamine, and Pilot Iroshizuku.

    • @davidwright8432
      @davidwright8432 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I've been fiddling around with fountain pens since discovering my Dad's in his desk drawer when I was 6. That's practically (ahem) 70 years ago. I enjoy calligraphy and illuminated manuscripts , so have experimented with many colors of ink, and types of nib. In my experience, pretty much any fountain pen ink will work well with Lamy (or other) pens. They vary slightly in drying time (for a fixed nib width) and ease of flow - tho the feed that delivers the ink from the reservoir to the nib has more to do with controlling flow. As does the width of the slot in the nib. Experiment with color. Avoid any ink that's say shellac based - it'll simply wreck the feed by drying in it, and isn't soluble in water, so you can't dissolve it out. Such inks are called 'India Ink' or something similar.
      You won't damage a fountain pen with any ink from a manufacturer you find in regular stationery stores - Parker, Sheaffer, Waterman, Lamy. Less readily available are Diamine inks, tho they have a wonderful range of colors. They also do a range with metallic particles - gold or silver in color - 'shimmering ' inks. These are a lot of fun, but take quite a bit of care or they'll clog the feed (tho can be washed out). There are also excellent inks like Noodler's. Anything Goldspot handles will do well! (I'm a customer not an investor!). Paper, too, is crucial. A lot of papers these days are meant to absorb ink-jet printer rinks which are very different critters from fountain pen inks. Some higher end printer papers work well; I've had luck with HP paper for instance.
      So experiment and have fun! And check out calligraphic styles in many alphabets - Roman, Arabic, various Indian or other languages. Tho for some, a sqare-edged nib like the Lamy 1.1 - 1.9 Italic (also known in some places as 'stub' nibs) rather than regular 'x-fine, fine, etc., are needed.

  • @admirabletadpole9530
    @admirabletadpole9530 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why am I watching this at 4:00 am? I don't even write on paper these days.

  • @Chris-gp2ft
    @Chris-gp2ft ปีที่แล้ว

    One question: why do you use the sentence with the fox? I mostly always see this exact sentence.

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's one of the most common forms of pangram, which is a sentence or phrase that uses every letter of the alphabet at least once. I write a pangram to show how the pen writes each letter of the alphabet.

  • @montebleu1351
    @montebleu1351 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    No example of 1.9 mm nib?

  • @jonathan99097
    @jonathan99097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is the fine nib still good for fast handwriting?

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A fine would keep up as long as the handwriting size is not large.

    • @jonathan99097
      @jonathan99097 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GoldspotPens Awesome. Thank you

  • @danielandrei6767
    @danielandrei6767 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you use M on exam paper ... i am a school boy and i don t know if i can use M on regular paper

    • @gertahnstrom784
      @gertahnstrom784 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's very hard to know. "Exam paper" is not an exact quality mark... It may vary from one school to another.
      Personally I would think those papers most likely are not very fountain pen friendly and it might be a good idea to have a backup pencil/rollerball/whatever is accepted at hand.
      Some papers just absorb fountain pen ink like tissue paper rendering even a line from an EF point a mostly illegible mess.
      But if the paper works with a fountain pen at all, a medium nib could very well work if that suits your handwriting.
      Ask a teacher for a page beforehand and explain the situation. I'm sure they'll love to see the passion of a fountain pen and would love to help out. Then you can try writing and no surprises.

    • @danielandrei6767
      @danielandrei6767 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gertahnstrom784 thank you 👌

    • @ruparanjanee7430
      @ruparanjanee7430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dont ever think about that. Once u finished answering one side, you will see that u have automatically answered the questions on the other side of the page. 😆

  • @octagram2955
    @octagram2955 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Glad I got a Pilot Plumix, "medium" calligraphy nib. Tried a friend's collection and holy el, so thick with no variance. I did not like the Lamy, Laban, or even MontBlanc. They claimed to be mediums or fines

  • @robertlexen6075
    @robertlexen6075 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am going to buy an lamy aion with an 1.1 stub nip

  • @brandonbasic
    @brandonbasic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh, the bleeeed!

  • @ikaika_higashi
    @ikaika_higashi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Any tips? because my ef looks like the f in this video...

    • @Wall2157
      @Wall2157 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hey friend,
      I know your comment is from long ago but I thought I would answer anyway just in case.
      The cause of your EF nib looking more like a F could be down to a few different things. First, it may be the pressure you are applying to the paper. Albeit Lamy nibs are hard, they will throw out more ink if you press hard. Second, it could be due to the orientation and angle of the nib while you are writing. With orientation, that is really just about where the top of the nib is facing when you write. Angle is a little tricky because your grip is usually what determines it. My grip causes the nib angle to be a little steeper which leads to a thinner line. But, I am a lefty and I write small so I consider that to be a good thing.
      I hope this helps a little! Good luck to you.

  • @mikestubbs5242
    @mikestubbs5242 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lamy Safaris are the punk/Bauhaus thing of in attempting less, it accomplishes more.
    (that said, it's "Un-ci-al," not "Unicle")

  • @Benwick921
    @Benwick921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    why my extra fine nib seems larger?

    • @Cortesevasive
      @Cortesevasive 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ink , paper , writing angle

  • @MrBikboi
    @MrBikboi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lamy is the morakniv of pens

  • @user-ct6ce7gk6l
    @user-ct6ce7gk6l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which is a thinner nib 12F or 17F?

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both are the same fine nib. The number refers to the pen model style. "12" is the Lamy Safari Vista demonstrator. "17" is the Lamy Safari Charcoal.

    • @user-ct6ce7gk6l
      @user-ct6ce7gk6l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoldspotPens when looking for an extra fine nib what do I search for? Is there any kind of measurement? I have really tiny handwriting, finding it hard to get an extra fine nib 😓

    • @GoldspotPens
      @GoldspotPens  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-ct6ce7gk6l Lamy nibs tend to run a bit broader than most fountain pen brands. For a Safari, you would be looking for the "EF" at the end of the part number. Instead of a Lamy Safari, I might suggest going with a Pilot Metropolitan fountain pen in fine point instead. It will have a finer point than the Lamy.

    • @user-ct6ce7gk6l
      @user-ct6ce7gk6l 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoldspotPens thank you so much! Much appreciated! ❤️🥂😇

  • @Maltologist
    @Maltologist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My extra fine is same as my fine, so little delta. Not like your example, and a lot of feedback compared to Fine nib.

  • @samantharankinstinamisan5583
    @samantharankinstinamisan5583 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Both my Lamy's leak ink everywhere....

  • @vi.zz707
    @vi.zz707 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:33 ‘cause I’m broke💀

  • @SuperJohnnykay
    @SuperJohnnykay 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The lamy safari is a lousy pen for left handers. The Ridge down the middle makes it a really awkward pen for the overwrite types like myself shame really lamy have great nibs.jk

  • @carlaeskelsen
    @carlaeskelsen ปีที่แล้ว

    YOU-nical? Is he talking about Uncial, maybe? As in UN'-see-uhl?

    • @carlaeskelsen
      @carlaeskelsen ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, this video was very helpful, thanks. 🙏🏻

  • @marcosmartins2537
    @marcosmartins2537 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not affordable in Brazil at all. 30~50% of our minimum wage

  • @basewho5230
    @basewho5230 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No way your name is tomato

  • @ciochinabogdanvasile
    @ciochinabogdanvasile 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ni shit, alot of herlitz and borghini are better and cheaper