I always felt so bad for the Ray brothers, I was just a couple years older than the eldest and was kinda an outcast in my southern town too, so I very much empathized with their plight. When I heard of their home being burned down I can't forget how sickened with humanity I felt. I hope they have found the peace in death they weren't given in life. RIP Ricky and Robert
@@nikicarrie4071There was no one to sue. They couldn't prove who burned down their house, so there was nothing they could do except leave town. They moved to Sarasota I believe, and the people of that city weren't a bunch of ignorant rednecks, so the town embraced them and they were allowed to attend school and grow up there.
My cousin died of aids in 1986 he came to see me a week before he passed. Noone would let him come near me I was a newborn I haven't even had my shots yet. I always think of him im sad he never got to greet me all he wanted was to say goodbye. Everyone in my house was afraid of him cus they said he was skin and bones he brought over a cake and grandma said when he left they threw the cake away. I love my cousin he will always be in my heart. 35 years later.
Um.... no your cousin didn't die from AIDS. If he was gay and hung out in night clubs doing poppers, he died from that. If he was merely diagnosed HIV positive then he died from AZT. Watch HOUSE OF NUMBERS here on TH-cam.
How can someone know so many people with it?! While a lot of people don’t even know one person who had it? It makes me wonder if AIDS was really a concern among the general public in the 80s? Or just the people who had to somehow deal with it knew about it?
@@TheOpenSociety777Thanks, I’ll check it out. If it is treated as a medical issue not a moral issue we would be wwaayyyy ahead of this disease, far more so than we are currently.
Why Michael Callen? Because he had sex with 3,000+ gay guys? J/K. Honestly I admire him being so honest about all the STD’s he contracted, it’s genuinely mind-blowing to me.
Joey DiPaolo is still alive, as well as the youngest Ray brother Randy. It's so sad that people's ignorance caused them to put _SICK CHILDREN_ through such immense pain.
Jason Browne gay guys should of been less promiscuous too.. I mean I’m all for sex and fun but fuck sake, barebacking 100’s of different guys a year is ridiculous... ain’t no wonder that shit spread like wildfire
^^^^^^^Just exactly and precisely like slutty whorish STRAIGHTS/HETERO-sexuals and constant PREGNANCIES and unwanted babies or abortions and heavily increased over population, DUH! Don't throw stones if you live in a Glass House, Bubba! Wow talk about a universal and highly long historical "Wildfire" that should and needs to be put out immediately!
@@lilbirdie8463 - Read "And the Band Played On". It's written by a gay man & he makes it clear that gay/bi men definitely were irresponsible in the early days. At least SOME of them. But part of the reason was because the gov't was not issuing any definitive statements about how it was spread. There were tons of theories ranging from drugs to Crisco (yep) to everything else under the sun as the cause. These were official theories put forth by the CDC. But without funding they weren't able to PROVE what caused AIDS until late '83, and there was no HIV test until '84. There's no excuse for the president's radio silence on the issue until 1987 or the Red Cross's suppression of the fact that HIV was tainting the blood supply (they didn't start testing until '85 though they could've tested for the presence of Hep B which co-existed with AIDS about 90% of the time much earlier). EVERYONE DROPPED THE BALL except for the LGBT community who picked up the slack & formed advocacy groups, passing out information leaflets & protesting the unfair treatment of this disease compared to toxic shock, Legionnaire's disease & the Tylenol poisonings--all of which killed FAR fewer people. Gay people were merely the first group (in America) to be noticed with the disease, but it's existed in Africa for much longer in heterosexuals. To blame gays is short-sighted & ignorant. Almost instantly, within 1981 even, cases were popping up in drug users & female prostitutes. But of course since it was labeled a gay disease (GRID), doctors were reluctant to count those as AIDS cases when they most certainly were. #knowyourhistory #factsoverfeelings
Mac TonyMicMac HIV was affecting the homosexual community way worse than the heterosexual community. It is way easier to transfer through anal sex. Don’t let emotion overtake logic. The homosexual community didn’t do enough and neither did the government. Both were wrong.
It made me cry listening to it. I was there, in NYC from 1983 to 1989, then I moved to SF. I was in my 20s. And here I am today, 61, miraculoulsy uninfected and still trying to forge new friendships with contemporaries, but is seems difficult to do as my generation of gay men was essentially wiped-out.
he/his mother falsely labeled himself as having AIDS for publicity or to sensationalize his story - he never had AIDS...everyone diagnosed with AIDS in the 80s is deceased without exception. Those diagnosed with HIV in the 80s may or may not have progressed to AIDS before Anti-retrovirals changed everything. Obviously Joe only had HIV and it never progressed
There's a major rockstar @ 20:46. He's not Freddie Mercury; he's America's favorite immunologist. Something tells me decades later he'll still be in the same role.
@morganmadison AZT brought the mother-to-infant HIV transmission rate from 68% to 8% & became a cornerstone of pregnancy care in women infected w/ HIV. It was also administered for the first 18 months of life to babies born infected, to help ensure their seroconversion to negative once their mothers' antibodies ceased to be present in their blood.
Say what you will, I'm sure all the Dr's, practitioners and researchers where trying their best, it wasn't ignorance, it was studying analyze and learning
@LamelKendrick That's a low blow. Callen did not knowingly have unprotected sex once he knew he was infected. He was a true warrior in a horrific battle, @ a time when few were in the corner of AIDS patients. I think his passion & determination to fight kept him alive as long as it did.
Yeah He was , still his behaviour was extremly ruthless. He slept with 3000 men, even when he had servere symptoms. And nearly all stds you can imagine.
@@viking933 He changed his behavior after he was diagnosed - the ‘symptoms’ he had were just the myriad of stds that were the hallmark of the gay sexual revolution. I make no judgement on that whole chapter (seems to me that engaging in sex at a profligate level is not recommended for many reasons - but hey if that’s what you want to do - as long as everyone’s consenting - go for it)
They were indeed challenging times i was a young man 18 when it was hitting the news when i was in sydney. The terror was palable i remember walking down oxford street and feeling the stress coming from people but not having the emotional intellegence to comprehend it made it all the more frightening. People had not faced anything like it and did not know what and how to cope. fortunately there were people who having experienced trauma themselves and processed it from past experiences were able to begin to form groups to help out the community. A lot of thanks goes to these guys in america who informed the local australian community on possible approachs to supporting our own. Though australia had a lot of its own heros too. My respects go out to those individuals some of whom are still with us. And to those fellow long term surivors i hope you all landed yourselves a wonderful lives in the aftermath of our truama.
I hope the people who treated those boys like that and burned the house down are living with guilt. Or better yet have been judged by the Jesus they no don’t claim to believe in.
Why do you believe the people who did that were non believers? Statistically atheists have the lowest prison population of any demographic and commit less crime than the religious.
And why wouldn’t they have been such smug arrogant people as long as they could blame the victims? Our attitude and “treatment” of people who were other than hetero is still appalling.
@@Genuinelybeautiful1985 That's just not true. The majority of gay men changed their sexual practices as the info about how it was transmitted came out, and because their friends were dying in front of them! By the time they came out with the Aids test in 1985, the disease had been circulating in the major cities in the US for 8 years, and 50% of the gay men in San Fransisco were already infected. In addition to IV drug users, hemophiliacs, transfusion recipients, prostitutes, and straight people started to get it as well. And given that the disease started in Africa where it was transmitted primarily heterosexually, it's more than past time people like you stop placing all the blame on the gay community! They've already paid a high enough price as it is without homophobic losers causing them more pain and grief! It's not your job to judge them...you're infringing on God's territory!
No excuse, hut hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it. Do you remember the feeling of not knowing what causes AIDS and how it's spread? HIV was discovered first in 1985, but that didn't clear all the questions either.
Morton Downey Jr's brother was a guest on his show. He announced that he was gay and tested positive for HIV and that he loved his brother. What year and when was the sudden change of heart? He was an awful person.
because he was his brother and he loved him so now he cares i guess. This is a Peopless article about the episode people.com/archive/his-love-for-a-brother-with-aids-brings-morton-downeys-compassion-out-of-the-closet-vol-29-no-24/
The problem here was multipronged. 1st conservative Govt on both sides of Atlantic that saw early Aids Epidemic in homosexuals 2nd a very unique new virus which wasnt understood as to the way it caused disease 3rd pharmaceutical companies that only had a handful of researchers. For any treatment to surface an adequate size sample size is necessary to carry out the necessary studies. It seems the flood gates of funding were opened once Aids emerged in not just the homosexual communities but also in heterosexual population in particular women.
It was not taken seriously because they thought that hiv existed only in homosexuals or iv drug users They thought it was a a disease for just minorities not that anyone and everyone could get it so the world was just not really treating it as a serious threats to the entire population that's why they kind of wasn't really on it right away.
@@agatamalecka8209 - you need to take IV drug users out of your minority theory and say gay men as gay women were and are the least likely to contract it via 'sex'. It was called GRID for a reason and it was not known that it transferred via blood (thus IV needle sharing). If that was known/provable then testing blood donations for Hepatitis B would've happened a lot sooner; like was suggested. Also the whole world didn't see it through the same eyes America did. The first cases in Europe weren't of gay men and it was taken very seriously. The case numbers however were very low compared to America where it ran rampant through the gay community. So that stigma did direct public perception (naturally so) as well as scientists who weren't going to spend their own money (on the seemingly impossible) or others couldn't get funding to study a disease sexually transmitted between men. - _fortunately the main research group in the U.S.A. were communicating with other countries and were aware it wasn't just gay men. Unfortunately it did spread easily via sex and the people presenting with the illness continued to be gay men which made it very difficult to research on a very limited budget. Until cases outside the gay population started to arise doctors and scientists could only trace the spread. So a baby being born positive certainly helped research in the main facilities around the world. So many cases went un-diagnosed or misdiagnosed because there was no reason to even consider a middle-aged woman had GRID.
Zidovudine (AZT) was first created in 1964. So I am soooooo very curious why those drug companies were acting like it was a new invention and that they put R&D into a novel drug and therefore ‘give me zillions pls’?
It wasn’t an “orphan drug.” It was a huge financial gain for the pharmaceutical corporations. Please pay attention or better yet, just leave. I despise willful ignorance.
People need to be more understanding and less judgmental about people who wouldn’t come into the rooms, touch patients, etc. , hindsight is 20/20. At first nobody knew how it was transmitted. It COULD have been airborne. If you got it, it was a death sentence. let’s all keep that in mind.
@@laurarichter1780 Someone has to and TB is also rampant amongst healthcare workers. It is a risk you take, but not knowing AT THAT TIME, was a frightening experience.
True , but castro was always filthy. I grew up in San Francisco and i loved the city.But now its Zombieland. 80s where really sad, you saw dead men walking. Especially end of the 80s you saw many sic men. You immidiatly know its aids
We should never forget the victims …everyone who knew someone who died - should think about them once a day - they all died way too young. Imagine in your 20s being given a death sentence. We should all be thankful at the wonders of science now that the disease is almost clinically cured.
@@Dee-zy5gh so I didn’t word to your perfection, no need to jump on others comments cause you don’t like their wording, this is the comment section, I used a wrong word, so what, life has bigger issues
You are correct. There was a lot of ignorance in the gay community, and not just from government agencies and representatives. It's sad, but it's true! I don't have gay people, and I don't call them ignorant out of hatred. However, you need to take some responsibility.
@@lhart99I’m sorry your ignorance is entirely global and self-inflicted as are so many of these disgusting comments. Clearly you believe you’re “morally superior” to us “lesser beings.” These people and your conscienceless are beyond despicable.
Thalidomide. It was an anti-nausea medication that was prescribed to pengnant women dealing with morning sickness but it ended up creating severe fetal deformities (eg. missing limbs etc.)
@aleixoqs Thalidomide administered to pregnant women caused a malformation called phocomelia in their fetuses, shortened or absent limbs w/ absent or underdeveloped hands or fingers.
I appreciate how this people felt let down by the government, but those of us who are older didn't expect our Presidents to make public pronouncements about sex or any disease. Presidents were for foreign policy mainly. With the exception of Legionnaire's disease, which was air borne and killed people quickly, I can't remember any President mentioning any other disease in my lifetime. There were also a lot of poor whites in ''fly over country'' that didn't have health care/access.
@@seanwebb605No, it’s a shame you’re so willfully drowning in your rampant ignorance. Makes me realize yet again idiots like YOU take great pleasure in YOUR stupidity.
i feel bad for the kids and anyone who go the virus thru blood transfusions, clotting factor etc and others who got it thru no fault of their own but the gays who slept with thousands of complete strangers and got countless std's...nope no sympathy at all
You're basically wishing death on someone. Stop and have a think about that. You're actually welcoming someone else's death. Oh, and by the way, the vast majority of people who had HIV got it through heterosexual contact. Perhaps have a word with Magic Johnson about the number of women he slept with before you start blaming the gays
These homosexuals need to take responsibility. They were the ones who apread it. Even when they had enough warning, they still carried on sleeping around
Stop it..wives caught it kids caught it..if it spread thru hetero sex,would that population not have sex?These holier than thou people are pretty much the definition of evil
They’re young and want to LIVE. That you made such an ignorant comment says far more about YOU than any of these people. No doubt, you announce your “chrissian principles” to everyone so you can feel oh so superior when the reality is, you’re a jackass.
No, they didn’t. Of course you’ll continue to marinate in your “chrissian” ignorance. You and your ilk are exactly why so many of us walked away from your “chrissian churches” and your “chrissian principles.” You have zero credibility among people with a functioning brain-and aren’t afraid to call you out for your rampant hypocrisy.
Eh? It only affected a small proportion of gay people. The vast bulk of people affected were heterosexuals in Africa. What a weird take. But I guess that's what people who are twisted by hatred do - twist reality to fit their prejudices.
I always felt so bad for the Ray brothers, I was just a couple years older than the eldest and was kinda an outcast in my southern town too, so I very much empathized with their plight. When I heard of their home being burned down I can't forget how sickened with humanity I felt. I hope they have found the peace in death they weren't given in life. RIP Ricky and Robert
That is sad and wrong I hope they sued them and got millions
@@nikicarrie4071 i hope they come back to haunt the government
@@nikicarrie4071There was no one to sue. They couldn't prove who burned down their house, so there was nothing they could do except leave town. They moved to Sarasota I believe, and the people of that city weren't a bunch of ignorant rednecks, so the town embraced them and they were allowed to attend school and grow up there.
The youngest Ray brother, Randy, died at the age of 43 not too long ago. He lived long enough to marry and have children.
RIP Ricky, Robert, and Randy Ray.
My cousin died of aids in 1986 he came to see me a week before he passed. Noone would let him come near me I was a newborn I haven't even had my shots yet. I always think of him im sad he never got to greet me all he wanted was to say goodbye. Everyone in my house was afraid of him cus they said he was skin and bones he brought over a cake and grandma said when he left they threw the cake away. I love my cousin he will always be in my heart. 35 years later.
Your family are good people who were acting for your safety.
@@jackbrown4120 yeah people were scared and didn’t know much. It was fear and it’s understandable.
Aw that is so sad
Um.... no your cousin didn't die from AIDS. If he was gay and hung out in night clubs doing poppers, he died from that. If he was merely diagnosed HIV positive then he died from AZT.
Watch HOUSE OF NUMBERS here on TH-cam.
What an awful and unnecessary way to treat a dying man.
I had two cousins and numerous friends die from AIDS. I'm now in my middle 70's. I remember them every day.....
How can someone know so many people with it?! While a lot of people don’t even know one person who had it? It makes me wonder if AIDS was really a concern among the general public in the 80s? Or just the people who had to somehow deal with it knew about it?
Thank you for such a generous hearted response!
Jenny Barraclough
Would you please upload the part 2 of 2 of The zero factor? We waiting it for a long time.
jenny, thank you for your wonderful work! I second the request for part 2 of 2 of the zero factor. we're all dying to see the missing piece!
@@cesaroso863 This is the video th-cam.com/video/6dIvA3zIqTs/w-d-xo.html
@@rylanv8507 part 2 of 2 of The zero factor th-cam.com/video/6dIvA3zIqTs/w-d-xo.html
@@TheOpenSociety777Thanks, I’ll check it out. If it is treated as a medical issue not a moral issue we would be wwaayyyy ahead of this disease, far more so than we are currently.
God Bless and thank you Larry Kramer, Peter Staley, Don Francis and Cleve Jones. Michael Callen your work, music and legacy lives on forever.
I think you should include Koop in that list as well.
Why Michael Callen? Because he had sex with 3,000+ gay guys? J/K. Honestly I admire him being so honest about all the STD’s he contracted, it’s genuinely mind-blowing to me.
@@chazchavara3192 And Mark Harrington.
Don't forget spencer cox and Ray Navarro and thousands more that contributed to getting pwa help❣️
@@blondespitfire especially him I was 🤔 thinking of him but I couldn't think of his name off the top of my head at the moment ❣️
Joey DiPaolo is still alive, as well as the youngest Ray brother Randy. It's so sad that people's ignorance caused them to put _SICK CHILDREN_ through such immense pain.
Agree
Sadly, Randy has just passed away.
@@TGP109But his Legacy lives on. No true consolation for sure, but the early activists are my heroes.
i just read Joey’s vita on wikipedia. Wow what an immense survival power, makes one speechless
This was really informantive. Thanks for the upload
If only HIV/AIDS were taken much seriously in 1982, the death toll would of slowed down.
Jason Browne gay guys should of been less promiscuous too.. I mean I’m all for sex and fun but fuck sake, barebacking 100’s of different guys a year is ridiculous... ain’t no wonder that shit spread like wildfire
^^^^^^^Just exactly and precisely like slutty whorish STRAIGHTS/HETERO-sexuals and constant PREGNANCIES and unwanted babies or abortions and heavily increased over population, DUH! Don't throw stones if you live in a Glass House, Bubba! Wow talk about a universal and highly long historical "Wildfire" that should and needs to be put out immediately!
@@lilbirdie8463 - Read "And the Band Played On". It's written by a gay man & he makes it clear that gay/bi men definitely were irresponsible in the early days. At least SOME of them. But part of the reason was because the gov't was not issuing any definitive statements about how it was spread. There were tons of theories ranging from drugs to Crisco (yep) to everything else under the sun as the cause. These were official theories put forth by the CDC.
But without funding they weren't able to PROVE what caused AIDS until late '83, and there was no HIV test until '84. There's no excuse for the president's radio silence on the issue until 1987 or the Red Cross's suppression of the fact that HIV was tainting the blood supply (they didn't start testing until '85 though they could've tested for the presence of Hep B which co-existed with AIDS about 90% of the time much earlier).
EVERYONE DROPPED THE BALL except for the LGBT community who picked up the slack & formed advocacy groups, passing out information leaflets & protesting the unfair treatment of this disease compared to toxic shock, Legionnaire's disease & the Tylenol poisonings--all of which killed FAR fewer people. Gay people were merely the first group (in America) to be noticed with the disease, but it's existed in Africa for much longer in heterosexuals. To blame gays is short-sighted & ignorant. Almost instantly, within 1981 even, cases were popping up in drug users & female prostitutes. But of course since it was labeled a gay disease (GRID), doctors were reluctant to count those as AIDS cases when they most certainly were.
#knowyourhistory #factsoverfeelings
Mac TonyMicMac HIV was affecting the homosexual community way worse than the heterosexual community. It is way easier to transfer through anal sex. Don’t let emotion overtake logic. The homosexual community didn’t do enough and neither did the government. Both were wrong.
@@nadiabaptiste8163 you are stupid as fart
It's so sad listening to Michael Callen talk about his successful treatment in this, he passed away the same year this came out :(
But he also had other diseases and kept having unprotected sex.
@@Fluttershy890don't make crp up.
Very moving documentary .
Peter Staley's speech (begins at 52:00) is so accurate and prophetic of today that it's almost spooky. Bravo Peter!
It made me cry listening to it. I was there, in NYC from 1983 to 1989, then I moved to SF. I was in my 20s. And here I am today, 61, miraculoulsy uninfected and still trying to forge new friendships with contemporaries, but is seems difficult to do as my generation of gay men was essentially wiped-out.
Michael Callen lost the fight to live in late 1993.
Happy to learn DiPaolo today has a barber shop, is married and has two children!
he/his mother falsely labeled himself as having AIDS for publicity or to sensationalize his story - he never had AIDS...everyone diagnosed with AIDS in the 80s is deceased without exception. Those diagnosed with HIV in the 80s may or may not have progressed to AIDS before Anti-retrovirals changed everything. Obviously Joe only had HIV and it never progressed
That's awesome to know.😊
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
Jenny
I appreciate these videos!!!
Can you upload part 1 of this documentary
I am glad Joey D. Is still alive today.
Is he?
SRNF yep and married!
❤💪
@@Amarie730 amazing! That doctor was so sensible
Joey was a beast...
Such a sad story 😢
The ignorance will always be with us.
There's a major rockstar @ 20:46.
He's not Freddie Mercury; he's America's favorite immunologist.
Something tells me decades later he'll still be in the same role.
AZT worked only for an average of 18 months for those who could tolerate it. Then, it lost effectiveness as the virus had adapted.
Sometimes it worked longer ...
@morganmadison AZT brought the mother-to-infant HIV transmission rate from 68% to 8% & became a cornerstone of pregnancy care in women infected w/ HIV. It was also administered for the first 18 months of life to babies born infected, to help ensure their seroconversion to negative once their mothers' antibodies ceased to be present in their blood.
Say what you will, I'm sure all the Dr's, practitioners and researchers where trying their best, it wasn't ignorance, it was studying analyze and learning
Michael Callen was one of the first AIDS activist in America, he did help to prevent the spread of HIV and saved a lot people.
Yeah, but he apparently had a bunch of other diseases and kept having sex with other people.
he also helped spread it quite a bit. He claimed to have slept with 3k men
@LamelKendrick That's a low blow. Callen did not knowingly have unprotected sex once he knew he was infected. He was a true warrior in a horrific battle, @ a time when few were in the corner of AIDS patients. I think his passion & determination to fight kept him alive as long as it did.
@@LamelKendrickJust like you have.
@@LamelKendrickwhere are you getting this?
Michael Callen was BRAVE…he was sounding the warning signal since ‘83 or ‘84 when he was first diagnosed … he was a SURVIVOR ❤😊
Yeah He was , still his behaviour was extremly ruthless. He slept with 3000 men, even when he had servere symptoms. And nearly all stds you can imagine.
@@viking933 He changed his behavior after he was diagnosed - the ‘symptoms’ he had were just the myriad of stds that were the hallmark of the gay sexual revolution. I make no judgement on that whole chapter (seems to me that engaging in sex at a profligate level is not recommended for many reasons - but hey if that’s what you want to do - as long as everyone’s consenting - go for it)
They were indeed challenging times i was a young man 18 when it was hitting the news when i was in sydney. The terror was palable i remember walking down oxford street and feeling the stress coming from people but not having the emotional intellegence to comprehend it made it all the more frightening. People had not faced anything like it and did not know what and how to cope. fortunately there were people who having experienced trauma themselves and processed it from past experiences were able to begin to form groups to help out the community. A lot of thanks goes to these guys in america who informed the local australian community on possible approachs to supporting our own. Though australia had a lot of its own heros too. My respects go out to those individuals some of whom are still with us. And to those fellow long term surivors i hope you all landed yourselves a wonderful lives in the aftermath of our truama.
This is just what has been happening with Covid19....seems like stupid has always been here with us.
I hope the people who treated those boys like that and burned the house down are living with guilt. Or better yet have been judged by the Jesus they no don’t claim to believe in.
Why do you believe the people who did that were non believers? Statistically atheists have the lowest prison population of any demographic and commit less crime than the religious.
Karma usually works its magic. Not always but often.😏
And why wouldn’t they have been such smug arrogant people as long as they could blame the victims? Our attitude and “treatment” of people who were other than hetero is still appalling.
The HIV infected people protested, but they irresponsibly increased the death toll with their continued lifestyle sex practices.
They criticize but they wont take responsibility for their careless actions
By the time they knew it was sexually transmitted it was to late.
Well maybe not engage in repulsive and disgusting behavior in the first place, and it won't happen.
What about irresponsible hospitals and blood banks.
@@Genuinelybeautiful1985 That's just not true. The majority of gay men changed their sexual practices as the info about how it was transmitted came out, and because their friends were dying in front of them! By the time they came out with the Aids test in 1985, the disease had been circulating in the major cities in the US for 8 years, and 50% of the gay men in San Fransisco were already infected. In addition to IV drug users, hemophiliacs, transfusion recipients, prostitutes, and straight people started to get it as well. And given that the disease started in Africa where it was transmitted primarily heterosexually, it's more than past time people like you stop placing all the blame on the gay community! They've already paid a high enough price as it is without homophobic losers causing them more pain and grief! It's not your job to judge them...you're infringing on God's territory!
It was such a wild time. To look back at it now to see all the lies were told is eye opening.
the long clock animation before every part. classic
They could find a cure but why when they could profit.
I believe they already have the cure they just don't want to cure anyone Because like you said MONEY 💵💰💵❣️
No excuse what happened to those families and kids. Anyone who took action or spread talk about them has blood on their hands.
No excuse, hut hindsight is always 20/20, isn't it.
Do you remember the feeling of not knowing what causes AIDS and how it's spread? HIV was discovered first in 1985, but that didn't clear all the questions either.
@@LMB222No, of course not. It’s easier to blame the victims.
Morton Downey Jr's brother was a guest on his show. He announced that he was gay and tested positive for HIV and that he loved his brother. What year and when was the sudden change of heart? He was an awful person.
because he was his brother and he loved him so now he cares i guess. This is a Peopless article about the episode
people.com/archive/his-love-for-a-brother-with-aids-brings-morton-downeys-compassion-out-of-the-closet-vol-29-no-24/
Wow, I never knew that. 😲
@@nep86
…and that hasn’t changed.
The problem here was multipronged.
1st conservative Govt on both sides of Atlantic that saw early Aids Epidemic in homosexuals
2nd a very unique new virus which wasnt understood as to the way it caused disease
3rd pharmaceutical companies that only had a handful of researchers.
For any treatment to surface an adequate size sample size is necessary to carry out the necessary studies. It seems the flood gates of funding were opened once Aids emerged in not just the homosexual communities but also in heterosexual population in particular women.
It was not taken seriously because they thought that hiv existed only in homosexuals or iv drug users
They thought it was a a disease for just minorities not that anyone and everyone could get it so the world was just not really treating it as a serious threats to the entire population that's why they kind of wasn't really on it right away.
@@agatamalecka8209 - you need to take IV drug users out of your minority theory and say gay men as gay women were and are the least likely to contract it via 'sex'. It was called GRID for a reason and it was not known that it transferred via blood (thus IV needle sharing). If that was known/provable then testing blood donations for Hepatitis B would've happened a lot sooner; like was suggested.
Also the whole world didn't see it through the same eyes America did. The first cases in Europe weren't of gay men and it was taken very seriously. The case numbers however were very low compared to America where it ran rampant through the gay community. So that stigma did direct public perception (naturally so) as well as scientists who weren't going to spend their own money (on the seemingly impossible) or others couldn't get funding to study a disease sexually transmitted between men.
- _fortunately the main research group in the U.S.A. were communicating with other countries and were aware it wasn't just gay men. Unfortunately it did spread easily via sex and the people presenting with the illness continued to be gay men which made it very difficult to research on a very limited budget.
Until cases outside the gay population started to arise doctors and scientists could only trace the spread. So a baby being born positive certainly helped research in the main facilities around the world. So many cases went un-diagnosed or misdiagnosed because there was no reason to even consider a middle-aged woman had GRID.
Zidovudine (AZT) was first created in 1964. So I am soooooo very curious why those drug companies were acting like it was a new invention and that they put R&D into a novel drug and therefore ‘give me zillions pls’?
Perhaps it was an orphan drug.
It's common to look at existing drugs and consider using them to treat an emerging disease.
It wasn’t an “orphan drug.” It was a huge financial gain for the pharmaceutical corporations. Please pay attention or better yet, just leave. I despise willful ignorance.
@@tundrawomansays694 They may be confusing orphan with off label use.
Can you please re upload the rest
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@@TheOpenSociety777Thank you very much.
People need to be more understanding and less judgmental about people who wouldn’t come into the rooms, touch patients, etc. , hindsight is 20/20. At first nobody knew how it was transmitted. It COULD have been airborne. If you got it, it was a death sentence. let’s all keep that in mind.
Exactly
Then don’t work in healthcare. That’s it.
I agree. It was brand new.
@@laurarichter1780 Someone has to and TB is also rampant amongst healthcare workers. It is a risk you take, but not knowing AT THAT TIME, was a frightening experience.
Please the mode of transmission was well educated
It’s your choice if you want to be ignorant
San Francisco looked like a clean city a generation ago...Now, not so much
Kag!
It is a sty. I'm a Native and still live there....for now.
Liberals = 💩
That's what happens when you embrace the radical left and become a lawless society. 😮
True , but castro was always filthy. I grew up in San Francisco and i loved the city.But now its Zombieland. 80s where really sad, you saw dead men walking. Especially end of the 80s you saw many sic men. You immidiatly know its aids
We should never forget the victims …everyone who knew someone who died - should think about them once a day - they all died way too young. Imagine in your 20s being given a death sentence. We should all be thankful at the wonders of science now that the disease is almost clinically cured.
Not quite the case for everyone …a beloved family member of mine is in the latter stages of AIDS… which has brought me here to watch this today
I have HIV and there are still a lot of challenges and close to a million die every year.
@@marcK599.You’ve fought the decent fight. These “morally superior” comments are despicable.
My older relatives have always been so closed minded, mainly because of knowledge🤦♂️.. Have they changed, definitely not 🤷♂️..
I read of many infected with aids, didn’t care sharing , that’s murder, I hope these are punished the same as a killer and in prison o. Death row
Eddie 1967 your very right, it’s A shame that infecting another just didn’t bother them , just evil
You mean infected with HIV. There's no such thing as infected with AIDS. If only your knowledge was half as strong as your prejudice.
@@Dee-zy5gh so I didn’t word to your perfection, no need to jump on others comments cause you don’t like their wording, this is the comment section, I used a wrong word, so what, life has bigger issues
You are correct. There was a lot of ignorance in the gay community, and not just from government agencies and representatives. It's sad, but it's true! I don't have gay people, and I don't call them ignorant out of hatred. However, you need to take some responsibility.
@@lhart99I’m sorry your ignorance is entirely global and self-inflicted as are so many of these disgusting comments. Clearly you believe you’re “morally superior” to us “lesser beings.” These people and your conscienceless are beyond despicable.
Morton Downey Jr was such a cruel person.
All an act for TV
Yeah, that’s *who he is.*
can someone help me? on 27:00, the narrator says: memories of ??? disaster lives on... what is the disaster?, thank you very much
The disaster is the HIV/AIDS outbreak.
Wrong timestamp.
Thalidomide. It was an anti-nausea medication that was prescribed to pengnant women dealing with morning sickness but it ended up creating severe fetal deformities (eg. missing limbs etc.)
@@natasham4609 lobster claws.
@aleixoqs Thalidomide administered to pregnant women caused a malformation called phocomelia in their fetuses, shortened or absent limbs w/ absent or underdeveloped hands or fingers.
3 Years later -the koctell
whrere is part 2? anyone?
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Part 2 has very bad sound
The Ray family case is very sad, but people were afraid. The CDC wasn't any better at getting proper guidelines out then than they are now with Covid.
That's total crap.
I appreciate how this people felt let down by the government, but those of us who are older didn't expect our Presidents to make public pronouncements about sex or any disease. Presidents were for foreign policy mainly. With the exception of Legionnaire's disease, which was air borne and killed people quickly, I can't remember any President mentioning any other disease in my lifetime.
There were also a lot of poor whites in ''fly over country'' that didn't have health care/access.
That's complete nonsense.
@@seanwebb605No, it’s a shame you’re so willfully drowning in your rampant ignorance.
Makes me realize yet again idiots like YOU take great pleasure in YOUR stupidity.
That's utter nonsense. President Nixon had announced a war against cancer when he was president. That's just one example.
Eh? President Nixon launched a war on cancer just a few years earlier
4.39 - 5.00: The true spirit of Christianity, like always.
Exactly.
i feel bad for the kids and anyone who go the virus thru blood transfusions, clotting factor etc and others who got it thru no fault of their own but the gays who slept with thousands of complete strangers and got countless std's...nope no sympathy at all
Oh you pathetic closeted ignoramus. No doubt you’re a self-described “chrissian.”
You're basically wishing death on someone. Stop and have a think about that. You're actually welcoming someone else's death. Oh, and by the way, the vast majority of people who had HIV got it through heterosexual contact. Perhaps have a word with Magic Johnson about the number of women he slept with before you start blaming the gays
I was 10 when aids became known. It was a very scary time,
T
These homosexuals need to take responsibility. They were the ones who apread it. Even when they had enough warning, they still carried on sleeping around
Stop it..wives caught it kids caught it..if it spread thru hetero sex,would that population not have sex?These holier than thou people are pretty much the definition of evil
Erm, you do know that the vast majority of people who got it were heterosexuals?
Tell that to Magic Johnson about the number of women he slept with
"they will pop anything into their mouths" accurate
Ha ha I thought exactly the same thing
They’re young and want to LIVE. That you made such an ignorant comment says far more about YOU than any of these people. No doubt, you announce your “chrissian principles” to everyone so you can feel oh so superior when the reality is, you’re a jackass.
Fauci seems to creeping around everywhere people seems to be dying by the millions 😳
You mean trump you 🤡 500000 dead on his watch at beginning of covid..should be brought up on charges of negligent homicide you 🤡
That's kind of his job?
The fact that every gay man alive just about caught speaks volumes. That shit had alot to do with these men sleeping around.
Of course it did .Gay men can’t walk through a park or car park with out hooking up with other men & that’s no exaggeration
No, they didn’t. Of course you’ll continue to marinate in your “chrissian” ignorance.
You and your ilk are exactly why so many of us walked away from your “chrissian churches” and your “chrissian principles.” You have zero credibility among people with a functioning brain-and aren’t afraid to call you out for your rampant hypocrisy.
Interestingly, in South Africa, gays has never been a "gay disease," and people got it in their heads that "gay sex" was safest.
Eh? It only affected a small proportion of gay people. The vast bulk of people affected were heterosexuals in Africa. What a weird take. But I guess that's what people who are twisted by hatred do - twist reality to fit their prejudices.
Tell that to Magic Johnson. Oh, and by the way, the vast majority of people who got HIV are heterosexual
Simply terrible.
so is this where the insufferable pop activism fetish started
Yeah sure did
I am just stating facts not judging the morality of homosexuality
So basically Fauci did the same exact thing.
Nonsense.
peter staley was too ill to work and got disability checks, but he was well enough to climb onto roofs. ok.
God’s judgement
Ramanath Das God’s judgement on small children infected? You’re an ass!
So your God hates people??? That's lame of him.
All men have fallen
God is dead......
Same thing with all other illnesses so why do you comment on a HIV video?
Must be a lableak
Only multiple leaks from defective condoms could spread this.