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I have the Koncepts 4 inch over cam ! I'm a 3rd generation jeweler 38yrs 54 now , my tools come from my grand dad and my dad ! I have 2 Antique saw frames one 3 inch the other 4 made in Italy . I got the Haymaker purpled limited edition it has the up grade shoe and wingnut with Allen key to tighten the shoes have ridges now so no slippage ! Love the way it feels and cuts compared to the old frames . Night and day !
I never noticed before that you cut out half the inner pattern and then circle back and can attack the other half from both sides. Thats the smart way to do it as opposed to the dumb way I've been doing it which is to pierce and then just circle the whole pattern in one pass. I always learn something from your videos. Thanks 😉👍
I have usel my Haymaker a couple of months and I really like it. With the Nanoblades it is outstanding. My old Germans are collecting dust under my bench. Great video, as usual. Greetings from Sweden.
I have a Green Lion and Knew Concepts already but who can resist a new saw frame?. I found the Haymaker, although prettier than the others, a bit heavy and didn’t like the protruding parts. I returned it and stayed with my Knew Concepts saw. Really love the Nano saw blades though.
That is understandable and the same points that I talked about. I'm still going to use it more to give more of a chance. The Nano blades are great in all my frames 😁
Hi thank you so much for all of your great videos and resources you provide for us. I have a very beginner question I have been working on my sawing skills and it's going well. But I am having trouble getting my flex shaft bits to put accurate holes in the metal when I need to cut in the center of the peice. I noticed on your tools link in the description you have diamond bird listed but no "drill" bits is this what you use for holes?
I LOVE my Haymaker. I have a traditional German adjustable frame and a Green Lion. The Haymaker quickly became my favorite. I have small hands and wrists. The balanced weight makes all the difference and alleviates wrist and hand fatigue. The bottom part doesn't seem to get in my way, but it may be due to me having a different style bench pin.
I hope you are ready for a list haha This was my main camera that I was using for a lot of my videos - amzn.to/3pEvFqS I would use this lens for my macro shots - amzn.to/2X0Jqny I have just got a new camera that is doing to allow me to shoot in 4k and I will be using this in all of my new videos in 2021 - amzn.to/38PQAAD With this setup I can use my old lenses seeing that I got this adaptor - amzn.to/3hAiyV8 I hope that helps.
I'm curious about their previous model, the curved one. I hate that the haymaker gets caught on the lube and other things, but otherwise a good saw frame. Worth the $75? No, but I still bought it. Concerning the rust, I use Frog Lube and it works like a dream. I live in Puerto Rico, you know, tropical island in the Caribbean. You know the one, 70 to 80% humidity. Yeah that's the one. Everything rusts here. So I bought frog lube, trusting a metalsmith society tip and it works like a charm.
It won't slice your finger open. It will saw your finger open which is worse because it removes flesh. Don't believe me? Well then try it! I can't move the work around either. It sticks to the peg! Maybe some talc. Hmmm. Oh, I like the sound of the cutting at high speed! It's like a big moth against a window! I don't like the thinner handle on the German frames. I wound mine with sports tape to thicken it. I like my Knew Concept frame. Easier to get the proper tension. Easy peasy. But the Haymaker be sure is pretty! You gotta get the Knew Concepts titanium frame and review it against all your others! And then send it to me cuz you have enough frames! 😁😁😁🤪
I have the German style, Knew Concepts, and the Green Lion. The Green Lion hands down is my fav. I feel I have so much more control with it and it seems to fit my hand well. The Knew Concepts frames are great and cut great but I very much dislike the hole the blade drops into and the twist knob to tighten the blade to the frame. For some reason I can't always get it secure and the blade slips out. The metal dust falls into the hole and along with the cut lube makes for a mess. I would love to have a Haymaker but just can't justify the money just for a new design. Maybe some day if I find a great sale. Thank you Randy for the demo. Always look forward to your videos!!!!
Would sawing off the protrusion near the handle compromise the usability other than offsetting the balance? If not, then that would probably solve the "anvil kissing".
Hey, this was a really good review! I've been tossing up between the Knew Concepts with the swivel and blade tension being the main advantage for me and this Haymaker. Reviews are all so different on both so it's confusing. 😂
I ended up getting the haymaker and the nano blades but found the blades are too long so you don’t get it nice and taught. Did you find the same? This may sound stupid but is it ok to trim the ends slightly to fit? Love to know your thoughts! :)
@@GomeowCreations metal wing nuts. The top was even threaded, Pepe suggested I even use a wing nut on the other side of the screw which seems to have worked. I don’t know why but seems like a lot of fiddling around for an expensive saw which is a shame.
I will have to try that some day. I got some cut lube years ago and I still have a lot of it left. On top of that I have the stuff from PepeTools so I'm going to have a lot of cut lube for my saws, burrs and drills haha
The Haymaker is the worst saw I've ever used. It's impossible to keep my Nano blades tight, despite the "fix" they sent. I switched back to my standard jeweler's saw.
My eclips frame would be my favorite, but the frame isn't perfectly square and plumb. The eclips frame feels better in the hand over a German style, but like I said the eclips frame isn't perfectly square, making your cuts go sideways.
Oh nice I try to keep other saw frames on hand in case I need them. There have been a lot of times I have needed to cut something around the house that they have came in handy for.
Excellent piercing skills, Randy! I was thinking about the Green Lion frame. How do you like it compared to the Haymaker or the Knew Concepts? I was thinking about going with the Green Lion saw frame, but I'm not really sure. How do you like the Nano blades? How do they compare with the blades you usually use?
The balance is sort of pointless.. but not entirely... but ultimately. The saw frame is not something that is wielded in the air, like a sword or an axe. So the entire time it is in use it will be under pressure, so what would be more critical is the balance of the tool under pressure.. on this front the haymaker should have an edge, because while its ability to balance on your hand is not really important, it is more front heavy than the old faithful... i doubt that little bit makes a difference (at least a difference that would outweigh working around those horns.. a significant addition of front heavi\Yves’s might provide some ergonomic benefit.. but again, would that be more horn? The rigidity on the other hand is not a gimmick.
The only frames I have is the Green Lion and the German Style and this is only because of budget. I have always wanted a New Concepts saw frame because I like the tensioning idea of it but I have to say since the Haymaker came out and I see the balance of the frame I have been drooling 😂 And lets not forget the design of the Haymaker.... Im sorry but I think I would look like a total bad ass if I pulled this saw frame out and who doesnt want to feel like a bad ass 😀... Thanks for a great review Randy!! I am also putting those Nano blades HIGH on my Christmas/Birthday wishlist. (I combine because my Bday is New Years Day so I have been so used to hearing "this is your Christmas/birthday gift) since I was a kid! 😂😂😂
Hello..with this videos i can read spanish translate.good. But why i can t read the spanish translate with others videos ..?? It s more easy for me to understanding.gracias
Great review Randy! I too am a tool slut and have all the saws; Lion saw (love it) Knew Concepts - like/like it (I break blades from the tensioner before I ever even cut anything - it's as if each blade thickness needs a total adjustment to get it tight enough but not too tight. I load the blade, and as I swing over the lever, the blade breaks - 30% of the time. If I loosen it, the blade is saggy. I always cringe when loading the Knew Concepts saw, although once it IS loaded it's dreamy. Lion (Soba One) saw no probs ever about anything - except a bit of superficial corrosion). Lion Forge HayMaker, I got the shitty clamps originally but they've been replaced by Pepe, so I'm looking forward to trying it now. German saw, steadfast and true, but rusty and clunky sometimes. Bottom line: Love Chris from Lion Punch Forge, and he's worth the saw! The saw I reach for most: Lion (Soba One) saw. I'm open to being swayed!
A tip to help with the rust prevention: I use a small dehumidifier for my small shop and it works quite well. As long as you keep it emptied of the water it accumulates, it definitely helps. This is the one I have, www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A1EGYHM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I also love the Nano blades! They are absolutely amazing! lol...with my knew concepts saw. My hesitation with the Haymaker is the protruding ends due to my small shop space but perhaps in the future. Lion Punch Forges soldering tools are quite nice though. Thanks so much for the review!!!
You can buy those little buckets of moisture absorbent, too. Whether that eould eotk or not, I have no clue. I keep a thin layer of 3-in-1 oil on all my steel except my files. I suppose that you can keep those little packets that come with electronics and medicines and drop them all over your bench!
@@GomeowCreations I have been using my German style piercing(s) saw for 20 + I can't see any thing that makes this or many other new designs worth 10 times the the price
HayMaker Saw Frame - bit.ly/HaymakerSawFrame
5” German Jewelers Saw Frame - amzn.to/31VmdpN
NANO Jeweler's Saw Blades - bit.ly/NANOSawBlades
PepeLube Cut Lubricant - bit.ly/PepeLubeLubricant
BladeButter - bit.ly/BladeButter
Saw Blade Organizer - bit.ly/SawBladeHolder3D
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Thats great, can't wait to see what you think about it Randy. I haven't bought mine yet but hopefully soon.
Nice they sent you a free $75 saw and $140 Plus shipping worth of blades. But $250 is not in my budget so I'll pass !
That is understandable also you really don't need everything saw size to be honest. I use 3/0 for almost everything. 😁👍
I have the Koncepts 4 inch over cam ! I'm a 3rd generation jeweler 38yrs 54 now , my tools come from my grand dad and my dad ! I have 2 Antique saw frames one 3 inch the other 4 made in Italy . I got the Haymaker purpled limited edition it has the up grade shoe and wingnut with Allen key to tighten the shoes have ridges now so no slippage ! Love the way it feels and cuts compared to the old frames . Night and day !
I just bought a old style one impulse buy. I was just wondering what I can do with it. Thanks for the video.
I’m a big fan of he Knew frame. I think the Pepe Nano blades might work a dream in it and I plan on getting some.
I love my Knew Concepts frame and just bought Nano blades about two weeks ago. I love that combination
Yeah the neon blades work really well in any frame I have used them in. 😊👍
Which Knew frame do you recommend?
I never noticed before that you cut out half the inner pattern and then circle back and can attack the other half from both sides. Thats the smart way to do it as opposed to the dumb way I've been doing it which is to pierce and then just circle the whole pattern in one pass. I always learn something from your videos. Thanks 😉👍
Haha I just did that when I want sharp corners or very square shapes
I have usel my Haymaker a couple of months and I really like it. With the Nanoblades it is outstanding. My old Germans are collecting dust under my bench. Great video, as usual. Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks 😁
How much do the German ones bring
I have a Green Lion and Knew Concepts already but who can resist a new saw frame?. I found the Haymaker, although prettier than the others, a bit heavy and didn’t like the protruding parts. I returned it and stayed with my Knew Concepts saw. Really love the Nano saw blades though.
That is understandable and the same points that I talked about. I'm still going to use it more to give more of a chance. The Nano blades are great in all my frames 😁
May I ask which Knew concepts frame and why? So many options. I’m confused.
Great video what blade sizes do you recommend to keep available
I used a lot of 2/0 and 3/0 blades for most of my work.
Love the saw work. Beautiful job. Music makes for a very relaxing video
Thank you and I had to do something about all sawing points so I think the music was fitting. 😁👍
how about a comparison between the two frames you showed at the end of your video ?
Hi thank you so much for all of your great videos and resources you provide for us. I have a very beginner question I have been working on my sawing skills and it's going well. But I am having trouble getting my flex shaft bits to put accurate holes in the metal when I need to cut in the center of the peice. I noticed on your tools link in the description you have diamond bird listed but no "drill" bits is this what you use for holes?
Sorry my autocorrect changed burr's to bird
I LOVE my Haymaker. I have a traditional German adjustable frame and a Green Lion. The Haymaker quickly became my favorite. I have small hands and wrists. The balanced weight makes all the difference and alleviates wrist and hand fatigue. The bottom part doesn't seem to get in my way, but it may be due to me having a different style bench pin.
Great videos. What camera do you use? I have a hard time finding the camera that gets good close up video shots like macro
I hope you are ready for a list haha
This was my main camera that I was using for a lot of my videos - amzn.to/3pEvFqS
I would use this lens for my macro shots - amzn.to/2X0Jqny
I have just got a new camera that is doing to allow me to shoot in 4k and I will be using this in all of my new videos in 2021 - amzn.to/38PQAAD
With this setup I can use my old lenses seeing that I got this adaptor - amzn.to/3hAiyV8
I hope that helps.
GomeowCreations thank you so much very helpful
I'm curious about their previous model, the curved one. I hate that the haymaker gets caught on the lube and other things, but otherwise a good saw frame. Worth the $75? No, but I still bought it.
Concerning the rust, I use Frog Lube and it works like a dream. I live in Puerto Rico, you know, tropical island in the Caribbean. You know the one, 70 to 80% humidity. Yeah that's the one. Everything rusts here. So I bought frog lube, trusting a metalsmith society tip and it works like a charm.
Thx for the Frog Lube tip. I live in Florida & rust is ALWAYS an issue. Appreciate it.
It won't slice your finger open. It will saw your finger open which is worse because it removes flesh. Don't believe me? Well then try it!
I can't move the work around either. It sticks to the peg! Maybe some talc. Hmmm. Oh, I like the sound of the cutting at high speed! It's like a big moth against a window!
I don't like the thinner handle on the German frames. I wound mine with sports tape to thicken it. I like my Knew Concept frame. Easier to get the proper tension. Easy peasy. But the Haymaker be sure is pretty!
You gotta get the Knew Concepts titanium frame and review it against all your others! And then send it to me cuz you have enough frames! 😁😁😁🤪
Good content, thanks for sharing! I'll will get either Knew concepts or the Haymarket. Both look first class.
Hey, curious to know which saw you went with as I'm struggling to choose out of the Haymaker and the Knew Concepts.
I love the saw, but find the blade loosens up sometimes. Mine has the wing nuts. Have you had that issue?
Do you have the plastic or metal wing nuts?
@@GomeowCreations metal wing nuts.
i can recommend the red 'new concepts saw frame with quick-change'
Horrible blade retention, an incredibly frustrating tool.
I have the German style, Knew Concepts, and the Green Lion. The Green Lion hands down is my fav. I feel I have so much more control with it and it seems to fit my hand well. The Knew Concepts frames are great and cut great but I very much dislike the hole the blade drops into and the twist knob to tighten the blade to the frame. For some reason I can't always get it secure and the blade slips out. The metal dust falls into the hole and along with the cut lube makes for a mess. I would love to have a Haymaker but just can't justify the money just for a new design. Maybe some day if I find a great sale. Thank you Randy for the demo. Always look forward to your videos!!!!
Somebody else who has experienced the horrible blade retention that I suffer with on my Knew Concepts saw…so frustrating!
Would sawing off the protrusion near the handle compromise the usability other than offsetting the balance? If not, then that would probably solve the "anvil kissing".
I think it would just make it off balance and that is about all so it would still work perfectly
Hey, this was a really good review! I've been tossing up between the Knew Concepts with the swivel and blade tension being the main advantage for me and this Haymaker. Reviews are all so different on both so it's confusing. 😂
Cut of that part that part that stick out with the handel and re balance it with a added weight in the top stick out.
And you are good to go
Not a bad idea 😁
I think a bit of added weight just forward of the handle would make the difference. I agree with you.
I ended up getting the haymaker and the nano blades but found the blades are too long so you don’t get it nice and taught. Did you find the same? This may sound stupid but is it ok to trim the ends slightly to fit? Love to know your thoughts! :)
That is odd. I'm sure you can cut them a little to make them fit. Does your show have the plastic or metal wing nuts?
@@GomeowCreations metal wing nuts. The top was even threaded, Pepe suggested I even use a wing nut on the other side of the screw which seems to have worked. I don’t know why but seems like a lot of fiddling around for an expensive saw which is a shame.
Yeah that is odd, I had no problems at all. 😅
@@GomeowCreations haha lucky! 😂
Love your honesty, so rare!!!!
I try 😅👍
Im a big fan of the swivle frames they are super useful too.
Use a bar of soap for lubricating - it works well!
I will have to try that some day. I got some cut lube years ago and I still have a lot of it left. On top of that I have the stuff from PepeTools so I'm going to have a lot of cut lube for my saws, burrs and drills haha
The Haymaker is the worst saw I've ever used. It's impossible to keep my Nano blades tight, despite the "fix" they sent. I switched back to my standard jeweler's saw.
My eclips frame would be my favorite, but the frame isn't perfectly square and plumb. The eclips frame feels better in the hand over a German style, but like I said the eclips frame isn't perfectly square, making your cuts go sideways.
Yeah I have had some bent saw frames in the past and they are a pain to work with .
Excellent once again! Thank you
Thanks for watching 😁
I love mine. I got rid of my Green Lion.
Oh nice I try to keep other saw frames on hand in case I need them. There have been a lot of times I have needed to cut something around the house that they have came in handy for.
Excellent piercing skills, Randy! I was thinking about the Green Lion frame. How do you like it compared to the Haymaker or the Knew Concepts? I was thinking about going with the Green Lion saw frame, but I'm not really sure. How do you like the Nano blades? How do they compare with the blades you usually use?
Es hermoso! Lástima que en mi pais sale un poco más de una semana de trabajo!
Si.son super caras..seguiré con la mía..
Casi casi el precio de un soplete bueno..
The balance is sort of pointless.. but not entirely... but ultimately.
The saw frame is not something that is wielded in the air, like a sword or an axe. So the entire time it is in use it will be under pressure, so what would be more critical is the balance of the tool under pressure.. on this front the haymaker should have an edge, because while its ability to balance on your hand is not really important, it is more front heavy than the old faithful... i doubt that little bit makes a difference (at least a difference that would outweigh working around those horns.. a significant addition of front heavi\Yves’s might provide some ergonomic benefit.. but again, would that be more horn? The rigidity on the other hand is not a gimmick.
The only frames I have is the Green Lion and the German Style and this is only because of budget. I have always wanted a New Concepts saw frame because I like the tensioning idea of it but I have to say since the Haymaker came out and I see the balance of the frame I have been drooling 😂 And lets not forget the design of the Haymaker.... Im sorry but I think I would look like a total bad ass if I pulled this saw frame out and who doesnt want to feel like a bad ass 😀... Thanks for a great review Randy!! I am also putting those Nano blades HIGH on my Christmas/Birthday wishlist. (I combine because my Bday is New Years Day so I have been so used to hearing "this is your Christmas/birthday gift) since I was a kid! 😂😂😂
Just use the German saw to cut those silly extensions off of bottom of the frame of the other.
I'm creating my own
Your own saw?
@@GomeowCreations Yes
Well that is cool. 😁👍
This saw frame is like, you can so the same job with a 7 dollar saw frame but hey you can look cool and spent a bulk of money for tools like these
Hello..with this videos i can read spanish translate.good.
But why i can t read the spanish translate with others videos ..??
It s more easy for me to understanding.gracias
Great review Randy! I too am a tool slut and have all the saws; Lion saw (love it) Knew Concepts - like/like it (I break blades from the tensioner before I ever even cut anything - it's as if each blade thickness needs a total adjustment to get it tight enough but not too tight. I load the blade, and as I swing over the lever, the blade breaks - 30% of the time. If I loosen it, the blade is saggy. I always cringe when loading the Knew Concepts saw, although once it IS loaded it's dreamy. Lion (Soba One) saw no probs ever about anything - except a bit of superficial corrosion). Lion Forge HayMaker, I got the shitty clamps originally but they've been replaced by Pepe, so I'm looking forward to trying it now. German saw, steadfast and true, but rusty and clunky sometimes. Bottom line: Love Chris from Lion Punch Forge, and he's worth the saw! The saw I reach for most: Lion (Soba One) saw. I'm open to being swayed!
A tip to help with the rust prevention: I use a small dehumidifier for my small shop and it works quite well. As long as you keep it emptied of the water it accumulates, it definitely helps. This is the one I have, www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A1EGYHM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I also love the Nano blades! They are absolutely amazing! lol...with my knew concepts saw. My hesitation with the Haymaker is the protruding ends due to my small shop space but perhaps in the future. Lion Punch Forges soldering tools are quite nice though. Thanks so much for the review!!!
Thanks for that and I will look into that. And see if it will help in my set up.
You can buy those little buckets of moisture absorbent, too. Whether that eould eotk or not, I have no clue. I keep a thin layer of 3-in-1 oil on all my steel except my files. I suppose that you can keep those little packets that come with electronics and medicines and drop them all over your bench!
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$140.00 ?????????????
What do you mean $140?
@@GomeowCreations I have been using my German style piercing(s) saw for 20 + I can't see any thing that makes this or many other new designs worth 10 times the the price
This one is 3x the price haha but I understand what you mean. 😁