So a 13 minute video just taught me more about composite part manufacturing than a year of reading textbooks on the subject did back in high school. Awesome...
MORE. PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS. This is more motivational than those fancy speeches famous people make. I'm not talking about this specific procedure, but more so the concise presentation of quality information and efficient work ethic in this series. There's nothing else like it on the internet; straight and to the point. DONT STOP!
Great job Mike! I have the same tools you do, including the Skyjack scissor lift! Brother from another mother. 😎 Regarding the dust, I've been a carpenter for 40 years and I inhaled the dust from cutting OSB, plywood, particleboard and MDF trim board and I did get cancer, multiple myeloma. I started to have back pain that progressively got worse and worse. My bones were getting eaten away from cancer. Long story short my doctors gave me a year to live. I went to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota and they said you'll live into your 80's. Please wear a respirator. Learn from my mistake. Keep up the great work!!
It’s interesting to watch these and see how your methods have evolved slightly over time. I enjoyed following the Scrappy videos and I’m just now going back to watch the Draco videos. I’ll be looking forward to Draco 2.0 👍
The 'hardest' part of designing something for me is to 'keep it simple'. That Mike, you did beautifully! Thanks for the ideas you demonstrated. I will use them!
Holy crap !!!! When I was doing this building F-18's I was fully covered, respirator, coveralls, the whole bit. Atleast put on a mask and have a vacuum table when you're grinding Mike, PLEASE !!
Yeah a vacuum table is so easy to make I have one. Certainly Mike can Fab one up. It is very disturbing, he has no excuse not to make one. I also cut things just a little bit slower. Takes a little more time but keeps the dust down a lot. And for the last time it is very disturbing
Mike, Your "How To" videos are incredible and have taught me so much about building an aircraft and all necessary custom parts. KUDOs to you for all your skills and the knowledge you share. You're a tremendous instructor and sincerely appreciated. Thanks from all of us who benefit from you sharing. John.
Nice part! Agree with others about the dust mask thing but you obviously know what you're doing and can make your own choices. Quick note on the vacuum bag fitting - it's easy to just toss it under the bag and cut the hole from the top - just a slit across the hole in the base fitting - and then stick the top plate through the slit. It makes it really easy with bigger bags where reaching under with a knife is risky business. Thanks for a great video!
I love that you built a million dollar Wilga, have a tricked out hanger with several other planes and toys but got a Harbor Freight tool box. It makes it feel like your a normal guy wrenching on a car in his garage. Plus youre super likeable and seem to always be happy. And have an amazing skill set to build all this. Youre probably out enjoying the plane for awhile but could you do a hangar tour and explain what planes you have in there and what kind of race cart you have on the wall?
I am admired of his way of teaching aeronautical constructions, it is a shame that I live in Venezuela if I would not love to meet him in person I am building a trike with the nails because the materials are almost impossible in this country .
Love your work Mike ! Wish there were more people like you. You sir are a master craftsman. This is something I've been working towards my whole life, I hope to be as diverse as you with enough hard work and experience! I'd work for you for free
I’m in the business of completely disassembling the worlds fastest accelerating vehicle to 330 , and rebuilding it in about 20 mins . I watch a lot of home built kit stuff and I wonder how any thing gets done.... but then I found you... my kinda people!
Man, your speed is impressive. I wish I could accomplish tasks as quickly as you. Great video. Stumbled across your channel and have been watching quite a few of the Draco build. Thanks for sharing.
You have amazing energy and wide-ranging skills Mike. This is a fantastic project so please forgive me for being a bit pernickety. These carbon duct parts used 4 layers of woven cloth, seemingly all laid with the warp and weft in the same direction, i.e. 100% 0/90 layup. This is OK for lightly loaded parts but for more highly stressed parts you would need to add some layers at 45 degrees. Also, to prevent the part warping as it cures, the plies should be layered symmetrically about the mid-plane, e.g. 0/90, +45/-45, 0/90, 0/90, -45/+45, 0/90. The process looks fine overwise.
6 layers, not 4 (my bad) but same point but more so. Using more than 4 layers of the same orientation together risks delamination if high loads are applied. Probably OK for these items however.
Mike, I love watching your videos. As a structures lead at an MRO it's cool to see someone thing outside of the box and get themselves dirty in the process. Can I offer a bit of a suggestion though? Please please please please wear a dust mask when you're doing any type of abrasive work with carbon fiber or aramid. Once that stuff enters your lungs it never leaves. As a pilot I'm stoked to see dracos abilities. That you are a pretty awesome dude. Ever want a hand with sheet metal, come pick me up in the eclipse 😉
Mike, I'm an RN. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to use a mask, but then again, don't ask me how many times I've saved time by not putting on gloves for non sterile techniques, lol. It's amazing how that vacuum system is so like a wound vac. Except with MUCH less suction! Awesome work.
Nice tip on the home depot batten material; Vac bagging consumables are expensive, nice to have a low cost alternative for something you use a bunch of but just throw away.
Mike, I like the part... but you should use a first layer of fiberglass to protect the aluminum from the carbon matting surfaces. Carbon on aluminum causes corrosion very fast! And put on a respirator please... love your toys!
Only if it comes into contact with an electrolyte, like salt water. This is common in Carbon Boat building where you end up with plenty of salt spray, in a dry application it shouldn't be an issue.
Kraken unfortunately you are not correct. I work on airplanes for a living and I see an insane amount of corrosion on the tails of ATRs where aluminum is bare on cabron. Even if the parts are sealed it happens.
Hi Mike, amazing work! I can’t wait to see how scrappy shapes up. Real quick question, where you interface carbon fibre with your machined aluminium parts do you have to worry about galvanic corrosion at all?
I am so impressed with your engineering skills. I enjoy each video and your design and construction of your planes. The only question I have is do you have to inform the FAA of all the improvements and are the planes registered as experimental Thanks for the videos and keep them coming Fred
Mike, what is that tool you are using to trim the edges of the part with (10:20, 11:10)? Is it just a die grinder with a thin cutoff wheel, or something more specifically suited for fiber work? Looks like it zips right through the stuff. I will be starting fiberglass work on my RV14 soon - could use something like that!
I’ll tell you another trick. I like to use plastic on both sides to squeegee the excess resin out. Also a cool trick is to use zip lock bags🤣 you can throw a few lays ups in a zip lock pour the resin in and even hold them in the cooler . Then when your ready you just roll the excess resin to one side mark your pattern on the out side of the zip lock and cut it. Try the zip locks it works great and it’s fast
Hi Mike, This video is so interesting. Since you made this oil cooler heater, can you tell us if it worked well when installed? Where you happy with the results?
Why do you still wet out your carbon and not use vacuum infusion or pre- preg ? Much better resin/cloth ratio and the addition of a small autoclave would make stronger and lighter with a similar/faster turnaround time...
Will someone please tell me I know Mike knows what he's doing without a doubt but with the oil coolers being so far back from the motor your adding 15 or20 ft of line to push your oil especially if you are at a incline going at a high RPM.do you have to add a extra oil pump or a stronger one to return the oil? It's just a learning thing for me.
Hi ! an impressive project, wilga is a cool airplane. But I hope you and those watching the video know how dangerous it is to work with composite matrials without protective equipment. Not wearing protective gear and especially when working with carbon fiber is dangerous to your health.
Hey Mike! Great video and (subscribed). Hopefully using your tips and tricks to Lighten up my motion sim platform with carbon fiber. BTW great tune.. TrackingTreasure.. Thanks!DMAX
Patrick Smith good catch, galvanic corrosion is a mess. I screwed up in editing trying to keep the video short and I left out the footage when I added a couple layers of fiberglass. I now make it a point to show that in other videos you will see I leave that step in the video
So a 13 minute video just taught me more about composite part manufacturing than a year of reading textbooks on the subject did back in high school. Awesome...
The hell, you learned about composite part manufacturing in high school? Lucky...
MORE. PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS. This is more motivational than those fancy speeches famous people make. I'm not talking about this specific procedure, but more so the concise presentation of quality information and efficient work ethic in this series. There's nothing else like it on the internet; straight and to the point. DONT STOP!
Great job Mike! I have the same tools you do, including the Skyjack scissor lift! Brother from another mother. 😎
Regarding the dust, I've been a carpenter for 40 years and I inhaled the dust from cutting OSB, plywood, particleboard and MDF trim board and I did get cancer, multiple myeloma. I started to have back pain that progressively got worse and worse. My bones were getting eaten away from cancer. Long story short my doctors gave me a year to live. I went to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester Minnesota and they said you'll live into your 80's.
Please wear a respirator. Learn from my mistake.
Keep up the great work!!
and ear protection, I now have tinnitus
I've never worked with Carbon Fiber before. That is SO cool watching it form over the template!
It’s interesting to watch these and see how your methods have evolved slightly over time. I enjoyed following the Scrappy videos and I’m just now going back to watch the Draco videos. I’ll be looking forward to Draco 2.0 👍
The 'hardest' part of designing something for me is to 'keep it simple'. That Mike, you did beautifully! Thanks for the ideas you demonstrated. I will use them!
This man is a one man universality. Covers all the faculties.
This guy is a fast worker - I like how he sets a time and tries to meet it - I know it's a mind game but it does help and keeps one moving.
Holy crap !!!! When I was doing this building F-18's I was fully covered, respirator, coveralls, the whole bit. Atleast put on a mask and have a vacuum table when you're grinding Mike, PLEASE !!
Yeah a vacuum table is so easy to make I have one. Certainly Mike can Fab one up. It is very disturbing, he has no excuse not to make one. I also cut things just a little bit slower. Takes a little more time but keeps the dust down a lot. And for the last time it is very disturbing
Mike, Your "How To" videos are incredible and have taught me so much about building an aircraft and all necessary custom parts. KUDOs to you for all your skills and the knowledge you share. You're a tremendous instructor and sincerely appreciated. Thanks from all of us who benefit from you sharing. John.
Nice part! Agree with others about the dust mask thing but you obviously know what you're doing and can make your own choices.
Quick note on the vacuum bag fitting - it's easy to just toss it under the bag and cut the hole from the top - just a slit across the hole in the base fitting - and then stick the top plate through the slit. It makes it really easy with bigger bags where reaching under with a knife is risky business.
Thanks for a great video!
It's great to see an intelligent man capable of decisive action and resourceful innovation.
I really enjoy this level of productivity. Very inspiring. This is a man who knows what his time is worth.
I love that you built a million dollar Wilga, have a tricked out hanger with several other planes and toys but got a Harbor Freight tool box. It makes it feel like your a normal guy wrenching on a car in his garage. Plus youre super likeable and seem to always be happy. And have an amazing skill set to build all this. Youre probably out enjoying the plane for awhile but could you do a hangar tour and explain what planes you have in there and what kind of race cart you have on the wall?
More anything Mike Patey! A hangar and machine shop tour would be awesome
I am admired of his way of teaching aeronautical constructions, it is a shame that I live in Venezuela if I would not love to meet him in person I am building a trike with the nails because the materials are almost impossible in this country .
With Mike’s skills and experience making the lightest RC scale model of his awesome Wilga will be a piece of cake 👍
What a fantastic life, Mike. Thanks for sharing.
It kills me watching such a smart talented fella cut carbon fibre without a mask
Yeah, I saw that too and it bothered me.
Love your work Mike ! Wish there were more people like you. You sir are a master craftsman. This is something I've been working towards my whole life, I hope to be as diverse as you with enough hard work and experience! I'd work for you for free
I’m in the business of completely disassembling the worlds fastest accelerating vehicle to 330 , and rebuilding it in about 20 mins . I watch a lot of home built kit stuff and I wonder how any thing gets done.... but then I found you... my kinda people!
Man, your speed is impressive. I wish I could accomplish tasks as quickly as you. Great video. Stumbled across your channel and have been watching quite a few of the Draco build. Thanks for sharing.
Killing it. I've been gabbing all my life but never needed to doncarbon fiber and this was a great video on all levels of your brand and my needs.
Your skills are vast and deep!
Very cool demo! The builders out there will really appreciate this.
Thanks Mike for sharing your hard earned knowledge you and your brother are the best , please keep up your vlogs you give so much!
TWO THUMBS UP! Thanks Mike, a great way to heat. I am thinking an old VW could benefit from a mod like this.
About one minute in I subscribed. Seems clear I got a lot to learn from this guy.
Incredible knowledge, always so interesting to watch.
Thank you for the great videos.
Mike ,this video is great. You are real aviation ,,James Bond,,. Everything what you doing ,you doing with big smile . ,,Yeeha,, and Cheers.
Awesome ... really impressive with your energy, efficiency and fabrication skills 👍
You have amazing energy and wide-ranging skills Mike. This is a fantastic project so please forgive me for being a bit pernickety. These carbon duct parts used 4 layers of woven cloth, seemingly all laid with the warp and weft in the same direction, i.e. 100% 0/90 layup. This is OK for lightly loaded parts but for more highly stressed parts you would need to add some layers at 45 degrees. Also, to prevent the part warping as it cures, the plies should be layered symmetrically about the mid-plane, e.g. 0/90, +45/-45, 0/90, 0/90, -45/+45, 0/90. The process looks fine overwise.
6 layers, not 4 (my bad) but same point but more so. Using more than 4 layers of the same orientation together risks delamination if high loads are applied. Probably OK for these items however.
Great video Mike , thanks so much for showing how to form the Carbon Fiber . Thumbs up from me .........
Loving the way that you work at the same pace and skill I do. If you ever need any help, send me a ticket and i'll do you a working holiday.
Outstanding! Simple and gets the job done...
That's really awesome work.
Please wear a respirator for the dust! Especially the carbon dust with epoxy!
Solving problems. Great build and simplifying the whole system.
fastest carbon fiber part build I've ever seen hands down lol
Magic hands, Respect Man🏁💪🏆🥂
Mike, I love watching your videos. As a structures lead at an MRO it's cool to see someone thing outside of the box and get themselves dirty in the process. Can I offer a bit of a suggestion though? Please please please please wear a dust mask when you're doing any type of abrasive work with carbon fiber or aramid. Once that stuff enters your lungs it never leaves. As a pilot I'm stoked to see dracos abilities. That you are a pretty awesome dude. Ever want a hand with sheet metal, come pick me up in the eclipse 😉
Mike, you just dumbed down carbon fibre moulding, thanks for the video!
wow you make it seem so easy
Absolutely love the music in shop, now I know where u get your energy from😁😁😁
I only wish I could do my Layups that efficiently. It would have been awesome to see your final, mounted up on the cooler.
Top job Mike, love ya style.........great verbal also ! thanks Sir
He works that bondo like a 3 star Michael chef. watch out Ramsy Mike is stepping up.
Hi Mike
Could you please tell us were you buy the materials for carbon fiber? And which resins you use?
Thank you !
What a great job . Congratulation
i must have missed where the baffle was integrated into the mold?
Fantastic job. Respect
Love these vids you are making! This is going to be a beast!
Mike, I'm an RN. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to use a mask, but then again, don't ask me how many times I've saved time by not putting on gloves for non sterile techniques, lol. It's amazing how that vacuum system is so like a wound vac. Except with MUCH less suction! Awesome work.
Nice tip on the home depot batten material; Vac bagging consumables are expensive, nice to have a low cost alternative for something you use a bunch of but just throw away.
Mike, I like the part... but you should use a first layer of fiberglass to protect the aluminum from the carbon matting surfaces. Carbon on aluminum causes corrosion very fast! And put on a respirator please... love your toys!
Only if it comes into contact with an electrolyte, like salt water. This is common in Carbon Boat building where you end up with plenty of salt spray, in a dry application it shouldn't be an issue.
I was going to suggest the same thing. Not worth the risk on an aircraft part.
Kraken unfortunately you are not correct. I work on airplanes for a living and I see an insane amount of corrosion on the tails of ATRs where aluminum is bare on cabron. Even if the parts are sealed it happens.
Your a bad dude!! Very inspirational ! You would make a hell of a composite and body guy on my race team🤣
What temperature is the oven? Isn't heat a problem with the plexiglass? Awesome work. Learned lots of good ideas.
Very cool! It makes me want to make some custom parts for the race car.
Fantastic stuff but how do you feel about breathing in carbon fibre dust? I notice you don't use any dust protection...
Was thinking the same!
Don't breathe it. Easy pesey.
@@gps831coast hahahahhaa and howyou decide that? how you breath only oxigen without carbon particles?
I have a Dremel Sawmax and that damn thing is great cutting tool.
Clever, you make that look easy.
Love the music ur rocking in ur shop
Hi Mike, amazing work! I can’t wait to see how scrappy shapes up. Real quick question, where you interface carbon fibre with your machined aluminium parts do you have to worry about galvanic corrosion at all?
I'm not worthy.. Hail Mike Patey!
I am so impressed with your engineering skills. I enjoy each video and your design and construction of your planes. The only question I have is do you have to inform the FAA of all the improvements and are the planes registered as experimental
Thanks for the videos and keep them coming
Fred
For anyone else making carbon fiber parts, use a respirator/ventilation when cutting/sanding. Carbon fiber dust is no joke
great video just curious what do you actually do for a living if you don't mind
Your work ethic is a great source of inspiration.
Any tips on how to make 4 inch carbonfibre pipes ? 180' bend
Stefan , Stockholm Sweden
What plastic do you use to back your carbon fiber? This is such a good trick.
You're a savage Mike. Props
Mike, where do you get your carbon fiber supplies from? Which fabric do you use? Love the videos and can't wait to see that beast fly.
Hi. What do you use for resin, matting etc.? Where do you get it from? Like the idea of duct taping to the table 😎
Mike, what is that tool you are using to trim the edges of the part with (10:20, 11:10)? Is it just a die grinder with a thin cutoff wheel, or something more specifically suited for fiber work? Looks like it zips right through the stuff. I will be starting fiberglass work on my RV14 soon - could use something like that!
I’ll tell you another trick. I like to use plastic on both sides to squeegee the excess resin out. Also a cool trick is to use zip lock bags🤣 you can throw a few lays ups in a zip lock pour the resin in and even hold them in the cooler . Then when your ready you just roll the excess resin to one side mark your pattern on the out side of the zip lock and cut it. Try the zip locks it works great and it’s fast
Hi Mike,
This video is so interesting. Since you made this oil cooler heater, can you tell us if it worked well when installed? Where you happy with the results?
Why do you still wet out your carbon and not use vacuum infusion or pre- preg ? Much better resin/cloth ratio and the addition of a small autoclave would make stronger and lighter with a similar/faster turnaround time...
im curious why you dont use perferated release film between your peel ply and bleeder/breather layer?
Will someone please tell me I know Mike knows what he's doing without a doubt but with the oil coolers being so far back from the motor your adding 15 or20 ft of line to push your oil especially if you are at a incline going at a high RPM.do you have to add a extra oil pump or a stronger one to return the oil?
It's just a learning thing for me.
Totally Kool
what kind of plactic was it that you pill off the carbon fiber @mike patey
Thanks Mike. Very interesting. Is carbon fiber fabrication your business?
What is the plastic you use to back it before cutting and the plastic for the bag?
Tyler Hallman it’s just standard cheap plastic from the hardware store
No dust mask?
Need that playlist.
Nice, thanks for the how to.
So fast! You’re an animal! Is there any concern about the carbon and aluminum touching? Or is the clear coat protecting the aluminum?
taltruda , i put two layers of fiberglass on the carbon when it may touch Alluminum
If you make another Turbulence Aircraft.. I want one.. Haha. Keep up the great work!
Hi ! an impressive project, wilga is a cool airplane.
But I hope you and those watching the video know how dangerous it is to work with composite matrials without protective equipment. Not wearing protective gear and especially when working with carbon fiber is dangerous to your health.
Good stuff!
What resin are you using ?
Hey Mike! Great video and (subscribed). Hopefully using your tips and tricks to Lighten up my motion sim platform with carbon fiber. BTW great tune.. TrackingTreasure.. Thanks!DMAX
AMAZING BROTHER!!!
wow ...i have never seen that plastic technique!!
That Frewax is 117.00 and 54.00 a gallon. What type are you using? 38411 is pricey
Impressive.
How hard is it to pull the mold out of the carbon?
No lung protection?
Real bush-pilots get enough of fresh air while flying in the wild. So carbon-fibre dust :-) . . .
Cool build Mike !
I wonder if you'll see a noticeable temp drop in the oil when the heat is on.
what is the price for one of the carbon fiber cloths?
I thought aluminum and carbon fiber were incomparable causing the aluminum to corrode. I didn't see any isolation barrier between the two.
Patrick Smith good catch, galvanic corrosion is a mess. I screwed up in editing trying to keep the video short and I left out the footage when I added a couple layers of fiberglass. I now make it a point to show that in other videos you will see I leave that step in the video