ma questa è musica polifonica labe albanese non ha niente a che fare con la musica greca, ti consiglio di chiedere ai tuoi nonni ed bisnonni perché a quanto pare lei di musica ne capisce poco e niente
Kush e beri Morene!? Te gjithe shqiptar qene. Shqipetar si Marko Suli, Xhavella dhe Miauli, Bubulina dhe Kanari. Shqipetar bir Shipetari. Me arem te Shqiperise, ju hodh themeli greqise. Vargu i nje poezie popullore per marko bocarin dhe revolucionin e 1821. Translate it.
This is an old version of Albanian polyphonic songs of the Labëria province. I don't understand the Greek language but when I heard "Marko Boçari, sulioti" I understood the singers must be of Albanian origin from Suli province, in Greece (or Arvanites). Congratulation to these singers for preserving their folkloric songs.
@@Β.Κ-β7λ 🤣😂🤡 I guess the whole region of Laberia learned it from Hoxha school. You also should learn, that while the south Albanian sing the Laberia/Kaon version of polyphonic songs, there are also Tosk polyphonic and Gheg.Northern polyphonic, but it's too hard for you to know these things.
@@harristheodosis5204 Albanians have enslaved the "Greeks" of North Epirus? We're not very good masters, since they have more rights than us and many Albanians in the south get paid to become greek minority. 🤣🤣😂😂
STOP BELIEVING THOSE LIES💀 markos mpotsaris was Greek by blood and by heart and also SOULI AND SOULIOTES WAS AND IS GREEKS. My family's origins are from there and i am greek and i will die as a greek. Nobody can take this from us. Our history not yours.
Είμαι από το χωριό από όπου κατάγονται οι τραγουδιστές του παραπάνω βίντεο...χλωμό άνω Πωγωνίου και είμαστε και θα συνεχίσουμε να είμαστε ΈΛΛΗΝΕΣ τηρώντας τις παραδόσεις που έχουμε μάθει απ τους παλιότερους εδώ και αιώνες.Το ότι και οι "αλβανοι" έχουν παρόμοια παράδοση δεν σημαίνει ότι κάποιος την έκλεψε από κάποιον αλλά ότι αλλοεπηρεαστηκαν αμφότεροι από την κοινή συνύπαρξη τους. Οι ρίζες όμως του πολυφωνικου τραγουδιού έρχονται από αρχαία Ελλάδα και τους Σελλους ένα ελληνικό φύλο που κατοικούσε τότε στην περιοχή!
Ik ore fshatari mutit kullot lopen ate bej. Ku e gjete ti kete kenge greke more majmun muti. Ti nje cope coban i ardhur nga Thesalia je. Ju dhame gjithcka edhe toke ju dhame se argate ishit edhe shtepi me themel nuk kishit te drejte qe te ndertonit po vetem kasolle sepse toka ishte e bejlereve Shqiptare. Kesaj i thone rrit zagarin qe te haje karin.
But they aren't vlach and at nothing similar to them. Vlachs wearing Arberesh dress.Those are just Arberesh ,who singing in Greek. That's all. Vlachs are 360° different in any thing.There is a grup of vlachs called Arbanitovlaxicos,who have some Arberesh(Epiriotes) tradition. But the original vlachs are similar to Romanian and Bulgarian traditions.
History should be written as it should. Not the way great powers wants it to be. The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times. The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology). During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock. After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed. Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers. The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today "Greece" as well. Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them. So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece". Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek civilization. This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in. Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail. It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian (Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece"). There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above. One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right. By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today. Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it. Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing. All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called "Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them. The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
Nuk e kuptoj pse duhet te kendohet ne greqisht??,polifonia kendohet vetem tek nena e vet shqipja.Polifonia po ashtu dhe fustanella eshte pjese vetem e Arberorve e Shqiptarve,pjese e gjuhes shqipe e popullit te vet.Eshte turp qe polifonia te kendohet ne gjuhe tjeter pervecse ne shqip,Gjuhen e burrave ne gjuhen e trimave ne gjuhen e heronjve.
Soljan Shametaj whos else would it be?? Greeks try to copy but its just not in their DNA 😂😂😂. Maybe they will be okay at it once they keep practicing and making it theirs just like many other thing ! Lets not get in to kilts , language and the freedom ... Many Thanks,
MrAbagaz whom are they singing to ?! Do you even understand what the fuck you looking at ?! Do you even know who freed and made that fucking Greece u spit face ? Piece of shit
Songs ist Laberia south Albanian ,,,,,, grek or so pathetic don’t stilling music and ALbanian and Arvanites Autoktonus culture. Grek don’t exist ist just Albanian Muslim in Albanian and Arvanites Autoktonus language in this grece ,,, please don’t make this propaganda it. This music isn’t just in Albanian and Arvanites language stop 🛑 disinformation people in Greece
What means "ILLIRIA" in greek language, please explain me, because in albanian I now what mean. Until the seventeenth century there was no term "Greek". To declare that you are Greek, first you have to prove that you are Albanian, because others are slavs or mongols. Greek language it's like esperanto and latin language, formed.
Ars Compas...hahahah most stupid comment ever, i dont even know where to start from.The term Hellene (this is what we call Greeks in Greek) is existent from the antiquity you moron.During Christian times it was replaced because it was used to refer to someone who is a Pagan and believed in the old religion.Since the fall of Constantinople it was used by some scholars and intellectuals to call the people of Greece and eventually it got back in use from the revolution and on....you as an Albanian you cant even talk about Greeks,you are first referred in history chronicles only in the 12th century and the oldest written testimony of Albanian language dates back only to 15th century....you are a clown.Greek language is the most ancient european language that is still spoken until today,and findings of its written form date back to 15th century B.C.It is one of the most important and influential languages in the world since it has helped form the Latin ones, terminology in different science fields derives from the greek language, in religious affairs is important too since the new testimony was written in greek and generally speaking it was the greek lingua franka of the hellenistic period, that played a significant role in the expansion of christianity. So many important theatrical plays, philosophical works,historical chronicles, mathematical theories of the antiquity were written by Greeks in the Greek language.... i cant stop writting about the importance of the Greek language.Just shut up moron
@@MrAbagaz did open books moron to tell us about Greek language we know quite well ... You mention Greek language helped to form Latin language and expansion of Christianity..are you diluted man.. when Roman empire came to contact with Greeks they were well established might have been bit ahead in art mathematics as an eastern civilization but you clearly copied or stole myths ideas religion concepts from other civilization in todays turkey and written them down told the world otherwise .. as for expansion of Christianity you mean preserving spreading orthodox Christianity to influence Greek Orthodox Church to unite Greece and maintain Greek coherence under occupation .. Because Albanian arber language isn't written early BC doesn't mean we are not ancient and warrior tribes doesn't mean neither that we did not play part in Greek wars Roman empire wars Byzantine empire Bulgarian empire and ottoman empire .. it's quite clear you been pushed westwards but to say or dismiss Albanian influence in Greece independence which is very recently and take territories from us assimilate our people take our fustanella costume steal our way of singing without instruments and a lot more its very embarrassing...the question is how many proper Hellenic live in Greece I demand DNA test and proper database for Albanian DNA which separate Albanian DNA to greek DNA to see exactly percentage of arvanitas and albanianians ... Now you go and fuck yourself man cause I'm tired writing this shit
@@MrAbagaz Since you know so much about Greek, did you know that there was a tribe called Graeci which is where you probably have Greek today? Just because Greek was the lingua Franka doesn't mean that everybody was Greek. Helen was the name that Alexander gave to his kingdom who himself was a Macedonian, a separate kingdom at that time this too doesn't mean he was Greek, it just means that because he had a Greek teacher (Aristoteles) and was influenced by him and rightfully so, after all Hellas was the center of civilisation at that time. I also wonder if you could grab Homer's Iliad writing in the original language and translate to me a couple of sentences. Last but not least, do a DNA test, you'll be surprised to find out that it's going to be the same as mine or any other Albanian and this makes perfect sense because it's just separate tribes of the same people but for obvious historical reasons (war which no other people does it better than the Balkans) today we speak different language.
@@MrLiridonf Seperate kingdom doenst mean seperate people. Athens and Sparta and Thebes were seperate political entities,city states that fought with each other fiercefulyy but all of them were Greeks. Alexander himself called himself a Greek and Phillip and Alexander wanted to create a unified greek state,this is the concept of their panhellenic idea.Macedonian kings declared Greeks since 600 BC thats why they could take part in the Olympic games,where only Greeks could participate. It is not that he learned Greek from Aristotelis,all the Macedonian kings before him were Greeks and spoke Greek,learn better your facts.With your logic all the Europeans are the same people because we all descent from the Indo-Europeans.Our languages are totally different and not intelligible with each other,so if we were the same people 5000 years ago,this doesnt mean we were 2000 years ago or 500 years ago and so on.Iliad is a very archaic form of Greek and of course i cant read it now but i can read and understand a lot of the Greek from the time Athens was the biggest city from the time of Pericles and i can understand even more from the Greek of Alexander the Great and from the times of Christ. You as an Albanian cant read anything from an ancient language because the oldest written form of albanian dates back only to 1460 AD,your langy\uage has a documented history of only 600 years so dont come up here and tell me about ancient history
Respect for Marko Bocar. He is an Albanian from Chameria (Suli). History is not lost and does not change as easily as you (Greeks) think you will master the whole of Albanian history. The Labe song you sing does not fit the Greek language at all, it even makes you laugh out loud when you hear it. It's called Polyphony Labe and is only sung in Albanian, because our ancestors sang it for thousands of years, as we sing it today. You try to take things from Albanian culture and tell the world that they are Greek. But you yourself have proven that every time you try to copy something, you come up with something ridiculous and incredible. See how you copied the Albanian dress and look like a clown with it. If you compare an Albanian dress with a Greek one, you will understand why we say this and who it is and who the real dress is.
You are completely wrong and it is obvious that you are brainwashed with Albanian propaganda as the majority of Albanians. The polyphonic songs (polyphony is a Greek word, of course) is of unknown origin. In fact it is obvious that both the Albanian and Greek traditions shaped it. The proof is that only in the region of Epirus one can here these songs. In the rest of Greece we have polyhonics but they have not the same musical root as polyhonics of Epirus. The same for Albanian. In the north of Albania (which in my opinion the north Albanians have kept their traditions pure) we cannot see any polyphony and the musical tradition of North Albania is completely different from the musical tradition of the South! So we must conclude the the polyphony and in general the music of Epirus is product of both Greek and Albanian traditions. Now about the fustanella it is obvious that it is Greek. The fact is that everywhere in Greece we were fustanella. All the mainlanders from North to South were fustanellas except from the Maniots who didn't been enslaved and they occupied themselves with piracy and seafaring. On the contrary in Albania only Chams, Tosks and Labs wearing fustanella and these populations were leaving in the South and been influenced hugely by Greeks. In the North, the pure Albanians didn't wear fustanella but trousers! In the North they have different dances very different from the south which resemble Greek dances. My point is that the things you consider "pure Albanian" is not other than Greek influences on South Albanians. For example, in Greece from the South of Kalamata through the North of Thessalonica, we have a template of dance which we adjust its speed to the rhythm of the song with slight changes of the steps. This is COMMON to all Greeks. On the other hand the dances of South Albania are completely different from the Vale of Malesia let's say! And that is because South Albanians borrowed the idea of dance from the Greeks and alter it to fit their songs.
Hajde labçe hajde,edhe kete iso duan ta bejne greke,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Marko Boçari Sulioti,ik o pirdhuni me gjith keto hajduterit e historite shqiptare.Marshalla ju lumte keshtu do ta shkruani bukur historine
Ore cfare lidhje kane keta me greket se na cmendet,jane nga Pogoni veshje shqip kenge shqip ,degjojini kur flasin greqisht si shqip ,keta jane orthodox qe kane ndryshuar gjuhen me shume vite ne koine .shqiptare jane te Koine -zuar.po jane Greke keta i bie te jem une Afrikan.
@Spyros 77 mkulture? μάθε να γράφεις πρώτα και μετά ξανά προσπάθησε,ο Μάρκος Μπότσαρης μέχρι μια ηλικία μίλαγε μόνο αλβανικα,τα Ελληνικά τα έμαθε πολύ αργώτερα γι'αυτό και το τραγούδι έπρεπε να είναι στα αρβανίτικα όχι στα Ελληνικά διότι απλά δεν βγάζει κανένα νόημα
WHAT is wrong with these "Albanian" comments and so called present-day "Albanians" ? how dare you insult a great Hero like Botsaris and other Souliotes who fought and died to create modern-day Greece as "Albanians"?? during their life there was NEVER a country or people called "Albanians" even today when there is a country called "Albania" the name does NOT exist in what today is called Albanian language...and never has been in History. Arvanites were a tribe NOT a nation. like most people in the region they were mixed with Illyrian and Greek ethnicity Greek Orthodox Christians sharing culture and customs. sure Arvanites spoke an Illyrian dialect mixed with Greek. IF they were "Albanians" WHY did they fight and die for Greek Freedom?
theodore grapsas Grek language ist language of chourch orthodox. Normal people 200 years ago in Greece have spokin Arvanites and Slavic invasions language
@@BwBw-ol4lc WHAT are you talking about? you didn't answer my comment. everyone in modern Greece 200 years ago spoke Slavic and Arvanite?? How come the majority language of the population in the southern Balkans from Constantinople to southern Albania spoke Greek? forget the Slavs (Bulgarians/Serbs) the Greeks and Arvanites were brotherly people. same religion and customs who spoke both languages. in the many wars against the Turks and Bulgarians, Arvanites were more Greeks than other Greeks. they fought and died to create modern Greece. NOT modern Albania but Greece. stop trying to divide us.
theodore grapsas I’m spokin about ethnic diversity in Greece batyin Arvanites Autoktonus and Russo pontis. Slavic invasions isn’t not native Balkanic decent. Arvanites. And Albanian Wllahia south Romania. Ist decent of. Byzantin old. Decent. So don’t forget your history and identity Arvanites in Greece ist not Albanian but have same language and identity wat isn’t your problem.
@@BwBw-ol4lc What is wrong with you? only an idiot would claim that everyone in Europe are even 70% or 60% really ethnically pure? just by looking at today's borders and names of countries? especially in the Balkans. nobody is 100% Greek or Albanian or Bulgarian or Serbian or Vlach or Croatian or God knows what else. Of course the people of modern-day Greece are NOT 100% descended from the ancient Greeks it's impossible after 3.000 years and so many wars and invasions. the same is true of all other peoples in the Balkans. BUT this is the present as it is. One thing is for sure. of all the people in the Balkans today the only ones who can claim to be NATIVES are Greeks and Albanians. so Arvanites are what today is called Albanians who cares? for modern Greece Arvanites ARE Greeks in every way. again they fought and died to make modern Greece free. as such many are celebrated and loved as heroes. what's your problem? I am from Epirus...and the Souliotes ARE Greek Heroes.
theodore grapsas Arvanites are Greeks of Albanian descents, that’s it. There’s no reason to be so butthurt about it. Even in Italy they exist, they’re called Arbëresh, and they have no problem at all in declaring that they have Albanian origins. Also this type of music is recognized by UNESCO as world intangible heritage from Albania :) Albanians have always existed, just like the Greeks, you can’t say that we did not exist. Yes, we got independence in 1912, but that doesn’t mean that we didn’t exist before. Look up the Kingdom of Arbanon, which dates back to the middle ages. We coexisted with you during all this time, and here we are in 2019. I’m sure our countries will have better relations in the future.
100% Albanian folklore from Labëria. Other than the language that this group is using for this particular song, which by the way sounds very unnatural, there is nothing Greek about this. As Albanian as it gets.
@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ sources? You are full of shit. And by sources I mean true scholarly sources, not some Greek Wikipedia article. Greeks did not exist as a nation before the late 1800s. Your history is stolen. Your culture is fake.
In Ottoman occupation there was not Albanian Greek or Turkish, but Muslim and Christian... And many of our heroes that modern Albanians (60% Muslim by the way) consider their compatriots, were brutally butchered by Muslim Albanians including their families and villages, who now thin we are stealing their heritage...
Three things are very important here: 1. Marko Bocari is albanian from Suli. 2. They sing a polifonik song, that is albanian heritage. 3. They wear fustanellas, that is un accepted trafitional albanian costume.
@Έλληνας He also fought for Ali Pasha who himself had plans to overthrow the Turks and once the Turks found out they beheaded him. Another thing, the only reason why Greece is a country today is because Muslim Albanians gave up fighting in the middle of the fight because they didn't wanna kill their brothers anymore. So, i today's sense, yes sure, The Arvanites are Greek but not in the ethnic sense because "Arvani" is nothing the Greek version of the Albanian "Arberi" in the Tosk dialect and "Arbeni or Arbani" in the Geg dialect. Third, there is really no point in arguing over these things because Greeks and Albanian have the exact same DNA which you can read in many genetic studies that have been done. Or just do your DNA test and see what you find.
nuk kam fjale..ca qe kane veshur veshje me origjine shqiptare, por te modeluara si minifunde me shume pala dhe qe perpiqen te kendojne kenget burrerorw te laberise me zerin e holle qe su del nga zemra, pasi duhet te jesh shqiptar ta ndjesh pa ta kendosh pastaj..mua me krojojne pershtypjen sikur po kendojne ata te lgbt
@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ Exactly the same way how Achilles fought a lot of his other country men and how Athens and Sparta killed each other forever. The fight we're talking about was religious and not ethnic so it was really Muslims vs Christians so they didn't care much if they where ethnically the same, at least in the beginning until they realized that they're killing each other and the Muslim Albanians just gave up and deserted the Ottoman ranks. That's why Greece got its independence. Or do you really think that a bunch of maybe 2,000 Arvanites (Arberesh or Christian Albanians) would be able to fight of hundreds of thousands of Albanians (Muslim Albanians)? The bottom line is the Albanians on the Ottoman side let the Albanians on the Greek side win because they where massacring them and realised what they were doing so they stopped fighting. Read about the "Battle of Missolonghi" but as a result, the Ottomans took revenge on all the Albanians which is why we ended up spread out in 4 of 5 different countries (first and second Balkan wars). FYI, the Arvanite (Christian Albanians) proposed to the other Albanians to create one country in the late 18th and early 19th century but that was never accepted for reason I don't know. My guess is religion again.
@Greece 1821 gezuar gezim gezime.. dickhead means happy happiness in Albanian language.. gazmir is your boyfriend..what's your real name arvanitas.. let me guess you changed you name to sound more ancient greek..pirro dhima greek pirros dhimas ...ik pirdhu buçe
Nuk kan byth ti bjen as lahutes as cigtelis Edhe as polifonin ta kendojn si ne ato na takojn neve Edhe Vetem ne I perdorim.. Rroft shqiptarija Edhe ishalla te bashkuar sa me shpejt!
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Αρχαία Ελληνική μουσική.
😂😂😂😂🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 zoti im me ruaj nga ky komshi i cmendur
Illyrian ancient music 🇦🇱
Η UNESCO έχει διαφορετική γνώμη. 😬
ma questa è musica polifonica labe albanese non ha niente a che fare con la musica greca, ti consiglio di chiedere ai tuoi nonni ed bisnonni perché a quanto pare lei di musica ne capisce poco e niente
Kush e beri Morene!?
Te gjithe shqiptar qene.
Shqipetar si Marko Suli,
Xhavella dhe Miauli,
Bubulina dhe Kanari.
Shqipetar bir Shipetari.
Me arem te Shqiperise,
ju hodh themeli greqise.
Vargu i nje poezie popullore per marko bocarin dhe revolucionin e 1821. Translate it.
;Για το Μαρκο Μποτσαρη Πολυφωνικος ομιλος Πωγωνιου
This is an old version of Albanian polyphonic songs of the Labëria province. I don't understand the Greek language but when I heard "Marko Boçari, sulioti" I understood the singers must be of Albanian origin from Suli province, in Greece (or Arvanites). Congratulation to these singers for preserving their folkloric songs.
There are not existing versions of albanian polyphonic songs before the Hoxha era
@@Β.Κ-β7λ 🤣😂🤡 I guess the whole region of Laberia learned it from Hoxha school. You also should learn, that while the south Albanian sing the Laberia/Kaon version of polyphonic songs, there are also Tosk polyphonic and Gheg.Northern polyphonic, but it's too hard for you to know these things.
No they are not Albanians nor Arvanites, they are Greeks of North Epirus a region that is enslaved from Albania
@@harristheodosis5204 Albanians have enslaved the "Greeks" of North Epirus? We're not very good masters, since they have more rights than us and many Albanians in the south get paid to become greek minority. 🤣🤣😂😂
STOP BELIEVING THOSE LIES💀 markos mpotsaris was Greek by blood and by heart and also SOULI AND SOULIOTES WAS AND IS GREEKS. My family's origins are from there and i am greek and i will die as a greek. Nobody can take this from us. Our history not yours.
Είμαι από το χωριό από όπου κατάγονται οι τραγουδιστές του παραπάνω βίντεο...χλωμό άνω Πωγωνίου και είμαστε και θα συνεχίσουμε να είμαστε ΈΛΛΗΝΕΣ τηρώντας τις παραδόσεις που έχουμε μάθει απ τους παλιότερους εδώ και αιώνες.Το ότι και οι "αλβανοι" έχουν παρόμοια παράδοση δεν σημαίνει ότι κάποιος την έκλεψε από κάποιον αλλά ότι αλλοεπηρεαστηκαν αμφότεροι από την κοινή συνύπαρξη τους. Οι ρίζες όμως του πολυφωνικου τραγουδιού έρχονται από αρχαία Ελλάδα και τους Σελλους ένα ελληνικό φύλο που κατοικούσε τότε στην περιοχή!
Ik ore fshatari mutit kullot lopen ate bej. Ku e gjete ti kete kenge greke more majmun muti. Ti nje cope coban i ardhur nga Thesalia je. Ju dhame gjithcka edhe toke ju dhame se argate ishit edhe shtepi me themel nuk kishit te drejte qe te ndertonit po vetem kasolle sepse toka ishte e bejlereve Shqiptare. Kesaj i thone rrit zagarin qe te haje karin.
Albanian❤
They look similar to our traditional wearing vlach.
But they aren't vlach and at nothing similar to them.
Vlachs wearing Arberesh dress.Those are just Arberesh ,who singing in Greek.
That's all.
Vlachs are 360° different in any thing.There is a grup of vlachs called Arbanitovlaxicos,who have some Arberesh(Epiriotes) tradition.
But the original vlachs are similar to Romanian and Bulgarian traditions.
History should be written as it should. Not the way great powers wants it to be. The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times.
The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology).
During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock.
After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed.
Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers.
The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today
"Greece" as well.
Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture
for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them.
So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the
place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece".
Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek
civilization.
This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in.
Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail.
It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian
(Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece").
There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above.
One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a
name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right.
By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today.
Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it.
Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something
else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing.
All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called
"Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them.
The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
Oohoo keta qenkan shqipetar dhe e prishen kengen duke e kenduar greqisht.
Keta jan shqiptare qe do therur nga xerku jo nga fyti ..na kan prishur gjakun keta gjak prishurit
@Spyros 77 Markua heroi i satëme ta ka shkërdhyer mirë tëtëmë
@@xhuljanoshqipe2336 Κλάσε μας τα πα πάρια
@@udhetari9698Krejt Pashat e turkis ta paskan mush gojen me fara Ty edhe grat e fisit tend te flliqur
Πολύ καλοί
Can someone translate this into english ?
Nuk e kuptoj pse duhet te kendohet ne greqisht??,polifonia kendohet vetem tek nena e vet shqipja.Polifonia po ashtu dhe fustanella eshte pjese vetem e Arberorve e Shqiptarve,pjese e gjuhes shqipe e popullit te vet.Eshte turp qe polifonia te kendohet ne gjuhe tjeter pervecse ne shqip,Gjuhen e burrave ne gjuhen e trimave ne gjuhen e heronjve.
Is the lab Albanian
💪💪💪bravo shqiperia
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Αλέξανδρος ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΑΣ 🤥🤥🤫🤫🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Greece 1821 qifsha rropt greqise ahaaa gaygreece
Greece 1821 th-cam.com/video/M6PTXzcCaPg/w-d-xo.html
@Greece 1821 ahahaa you are turkish Yunanistan Caucasus Yunanistan 🇬🇷 th-cam.com/video/tNgH_XFCYe0/w-d-xo.html
Bravo ju kendofe zemera Marko Bocari Thesalloniqi qe une e kame per zemer💎💎💎💎💎🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Υπεροχή μπράβο 👏👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟🌟
Pure illyrian traditional music 🇦🇱
Suliotë and Boçari proud albanians.
Βορειοηπειρώτες είναι, όχι Αλβανοι
Albania veve sindaksiko poso lefta pernis gjero marko bocari Sulioti Albania💎💎💎💎💎
Sa të sforcuar ahahah iu ka dal kopja e dobët njësoj si fustanellën që e bën minifund. Shtet kllounësh 🤣
Καλημέρα καλό μεσημέρι καε καλό Χριστούγεννα.💎💎💎💎💞💞💞💞💞🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Arvanitas
no
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Soljan Shametaj whos else would it be??
Greeks try to copy but its just not in their DNA 😂😂😂. Maybe they will be okay at it once they keep practicing and making it theirs just like many other thing ! Lets not get in to kilts , language and the freedom ...
Many Thanks,
Greek Epirotans....since 2.000 B.C before Albanians' descent south and claim Epirus as theirs.Poor stupid idiots thinking they are Illyrians
MrAbagaz whom are they singing to ?!
Do you even understand what the fuck you looking at ?!
Do you even know who freed and made that fucking Greece u spit face ?
Piece of shit
Long live Toskëria! 🇦🇱
Long live Epirus ! 🇦🇱
ALBANIAN SONG🇦🇱❤️
Songs ist Laberia south Albanian ,,,,,, grek or so pathetic don’t stilling music and ALbanian and Arvanites Autoktonus culture. Grek don’t exist ist just Albanian Muslim in Albanian and Arvanites Autoktonus language in this grece ,,, please don’t make this propaganda it. This music isn’t just in Albanian and Arvanites language stop 🛑 disinformation people in Greece
😂😂😂😂😂don't take Albanians drugs😂😂😂😂
What means "ILLIRIA" in greek language, please explain me, because in albanian I now what mean. Until the seventeenth century there was no term "Greek". To declare that you are Greek, first you have to prove that you are Albanian, because others are slavs or mongols. Greek language it's like esperanto and latin language, formed.
Ars Compas...hahahah most stupid comment ever, i dont even know where to start from.The term Hellene (this is what we call Greeks in Greek) is existent from the antiquity you moron.During Christian times it was replaced because it was used to refer to someone who is a Pagan and believed in the old religion.Since the fall of Constantinople it was used by some scholars and intellectuals to call the people of Greece and eventually it got back in use from the revolution and on....you as an Albanian you cant even talk about Greeks,you are first referred in history chronicles only in the 12th century and the oldest written testimony of Albanian language dates back only to 15th century....you are a clown.Greek language is the most ancient european language that is still spoken until today,and findings of its written form date back to 15th century B.C.It is one of the most important and influential languages in the world since it has helped form the Latin ones, terminology in different science fields derives from the greek language, in religious affairs is important too since the new testimony was written in greek and generally speaking it was the greek lingua franka of the hellenistic period, that played a significant role in the expansion of christianity. So many important theatrical plays, philosophical works,historical chronicles, mathematical theories of the antiquity were written by Greeks in the Greek language.... i cant stop writting about the importance of the Greek language.Just shut up moron
@@MrAbagaz did open books moron to tell us about Greek language we know quite well ... You mention Greek language helped to form Latin language and expansion of Christianity..are you diluted man.. when Roman empire came to contact with Greeks they were well established might have been bit ahead in art mathematics as an eastern civilization but you clearly copied or stole myths ideas religion concepts from other civilization in todays turkey and written them down told the world otherwise .. as for expansion of Christianity you mean preserving spreading orthodox Christianity to influence Greek Orthodox Church to unite Greece and maintain Greek coherence under occupation .. Because Albanian arber language isn't written early BC doesn't mean we are not ancient and warrior tribes doesn't mean neither that we did not play part in Greek wars Roman empire wars Byzantine empire Bulgarian empire and ottoman empire .. it's quite clear you been pushed westwards but to say or dismiss Albanian influence in Greece independence which is very recently and take territories from us assimilate our people take our fustanella costume steal our way of singing without instruments and a lot more its very embarrassing...the question is how many proper Hellenic live in Greece I demand DNA test and proper database for Albanian DNA which separate Albanian DNA to greek DNA to see exactly percentage of arvanitas and albanianians ... Now you go and fuck yourself man cause I'm tired writing this shit
gezim Bilali 😂😂
Byzantine Malakas Fake Greeks
@@MrAbagaz Since you know so much about Greek, did you know that there was a tribe called Graeci which is where you probably have Greek today? Just because Greek was the lingua Franka doesn't mean that everybody was Greek. Helen was the name that Alexander gave to his kingdom who himself was a Macedonian, a separate kingdom at that time this too doesn't mean he was Greek, it just means that because he had a Greek teacher (Aristoteles) and was influenced by him and rightfully so, after all Hellas was the center of civilisation at that time. I also wonder if you could grab Homer's Iliad writing in the original language and translate to me a couple of sentences. Last but not least, do a DNA test, you'll be surprised to find out that it's going to be the same as mine or any other Albanian and this makes perfect sense because it's just separate tribes of the same people but for obvious historical reasons (war which no other people does it better than the Balkans) today we speak different language.
@@MrLiridonf Seperate kingdom doenst mean seperate people. Athens and Sparta and Thebes were seperate political entities,city states that fought with each other fiercefulyy but all of them were Greeks. Alexander himself called himself a Greek and Phillip and Alexander wanted to create a unified greek state,this is the concept of their panhellenic idea.Macedonian kings declared Greeks since 600 BC thats why they could take part in the Olympic games,where only Greeks could participate. It is not that he learned Greek from Aristotelis,all the Macedonian kings before him were Greeks and spoke Greek,learn better your facts.With your logic all the Europeans are the same people because we all descent from the Indo-Europeans.Our languages are totally different and not intelligible with each other,so if we were the same people 5000 years ago,this doesnt mean we were 2000 years ago or 500 years ago and so on.Iliad is a very archaic form of Greek and of course i cant read it now but i can read and understand a lot of the Greek from the time Athens was the biggest city from the time of Pericles and i can understand even more from the Greek of Alexander the Great and from the times of Christ. You as an Albanian cant read anything from an ancient language because the oldest written form of albanian dates back only to 1460 AD,your langy\uage has a documented history of only 600 years so dont come up here and tell me about ancient history
Respect for Marko Bocar. He is an Albanian from Chameria (Suli). History is not lost and does not change as easily as you (Greeks) think you will master the whole of Albanian history. The Labe song you sing does not fit the Greek language at all, it even makes you laugh out loud when you hear it. It's called Polyphony Labe and is only sung in Albanian, because our ancestors sang it for thousands of years, as we sing it today. You try to take things from Albanian culture and tell the world that they are Greek. But you yourself have proven that every time you try to copy something, you come up with something ridiculous and incredible. See how you copied the Albanian dress and look like a clown with it. If you compare an Albanian dress with a Greek one, you will understand why we say this and who it is and who the real dress is.
You are completely wrong and it is obvious that you are brainwashed with Albanian propaganda as the majority of Albanians. The polyphonic songs (polyphony is a Greek word, of course) is of unknown origin. In fact it is obvious that both the Albanian and Greek traditions shaped it. The proof is that only in the region of Epirus one can here these songs. In the rest of Greece we have polyhonics but they have not the same musical root as polyhonics of Epirus. The same for Albanian. In the north of Albania (which in my opinion the north Albanians have kept their traditions pure) we cannot see any polyphony and the musical tradition of North Albania is completely different from the musical tradition of the South! So we must conclude the the polyphony and in general the music of Epirus is product of both Greek and Albanian traditions.
Now about the fustanella it is obvious that it is Greek. The fact is that everywhere in Greece we were fustanella. All the mainlanders from North to South were fustanellas except from the Maniots who didn't been enslaved and they occupied themselves with piracy and seafaring. On the contrary in Albania only Chams, Tosks and Labs wearing fustanella and these populations were leaving in the South and been influenced hugely by Greeks. In the North, the pure Albanians didn't wear fustanella but trousers! In the North they have different dances very different from the south which resemble Greek dances. My point is that the things you consider "pure Albanian" is not other than Greek influences on South Albanians. For example, in Greece from the South of Kalamata through the North of Thessalonica, we have a template of dance which we adjust its speed to the rhythm of the song with slight changes of the steps. This is COMMON to all Greeks. On the other hand the dances of South Albania are completely different from the Vale of Malesia let's say! And that is because South Albanians borrowed the idea of dance from the Greeks and alter it to fit their songs.
Hajde labçe hajde,edhe kete iso duan ta bejne greke,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Marko Boçari Sulioti,ik o pirdhuni me gjith keto hajduterit e historite shqiptare.Marshalla ju lumte keshtu do ta shkruani bukur historine
Albanische Folklore 🇦🇱
🇦🇱 albanian tradition bravo
It’s ok to translate the song
Marko Kapedani ...
Ore cfare lidhje kane keta me greket se na cmendet,jane nga Pogoni veshje shqip kenge shqip ,degjojini kur flasin greqisht si shqip ,keta jane orthodox qe kane ndryshuar gjuhen me shume vite ne koine .shqiptare jane te Koine -zuar.po jane Greke keta i bie te jem une Afrikan.
@Spyros 77
Ne re spiro eci den ine ?
Cjane keta jorgo qe kendojne herojve arvanitas.
heronjet arvanitas formuan shtetin grek o injorant. kryeministri pare grek ishte arvanitas.
Γιατί τραγουδούσανε στα Ελληνικά ?
@Spyros 77 mkulture?
μάθε να γράφεις πρώτα και μετά ξανά προσπάθησε,ο Μάρκος Μπότσαρης μέχρι μια ηλικία μίλαγε μόνο αλβανικα,τα Ελληνικά τα έμαθε πολύ αργώτερα γι'αυτό και το τραγούδι έπρεπε να είναι στα αρβανίτικα όχι στα Ελληνικά διότι απλά δεν βγάζει κανένα νόημα
Albanian
bukur vellezerrit nga EPIRI
Nuk i përshtatet gjuha Greke kënges së Laberisë, dhe me pak i pershtatët per ti kenduar Marko Boçarit te Arbërise!!
Ρε Βόρειος Ήπειρος για πάντα, κάποτε θα γίνει Ελληνικη
🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱 kenge polifonike labe marko bocari
ARVANITAS-SHQIPTAR-PROUD TO BE ALBANIAN😉
WHAT is wrong with these "Albanian" comments and so called present-day "Albanians" ?
how dare you insult a great Hero like Botsaris and other Souliotes who fought and died to
create modern-day Greece as "Albanians"?? during their life there was NEVER a country or people
called "Albanians" even today when there is a country called "Albania" the name does NOT exist
in what today is called Albanian language...and never has been in History. Arvanites were a tribe
NOT a nation. like most people in the region they were mixed with Illyrian and Greek ethnicity
Greek Orthodox Christians sharing culture and customs. sure Arvanites spoke an Illyrian dialect
mixed with Greek. IF they were "Albanians" WHY did they fight and die for Greek Freedom?
theodore grapsas Grek language ist language of chourch orthodox. Normal people 200 years ago in Greece have spokin Arvanites and Slavic invasions language
@@BwBw-ol4lc WHAT are you talking about? you didn't answer my comment.
everyone in modern Greece 200 years ago spoke Slavic and Arvanite??
How come the majority language of the population in the southern Balkans from
Constantinople to southern Albania spoke Greek? forget the Slavs (Bulgarians/Serbs)
the Greeks and Arvanites were brotherly people. same religion and customs who spoke
both languages. in the many wars against the Turks and Bulgarians, Arvanites were more Greeks than other Greeks. they fought and died to create modern Greece.
NOT modern Albania but Greece. stop trying to divide us.
theodore grapsas I’m spokin about ethnic diversity in Greece batyin Arvanites Autoktonus and Russo pontis. Slavic invasions isn’t not native Balkanic decent. Arvanites. And Albanian Wllahia south Romania. Ist decent of. Byzantin old. Decent. So don’t forget your history and identity Arvanites in Greece ist not Albanian but have same language and identity wat isn’t your problem.
@@BwBw-ol4lc What is wrong with you? only an idiot would claim that everyone in
Europe are even 70% or 60% really ethnically pure? just by looking at today's borders
and names of countries? especially in the Balkans. nobody is 100% Greek or Albanian
or Bulgarian or Serbian or Vlach or Croatian or God knows what else.
Of course the people of modern-day Greece are NOT 100% descended from the ancient
Greeks it's impossible after 3.000 years and so many wars and invasions. the same is
true of all other peoples in the Balkans. BUT this is the present as it is.
One thing is for sure. of all the people in the Balkans today the only ones who can
claim to be NATIVES are Greeks and Albanians. so Arvanites are what today is called
Albanians who cares? for modern Greece Arvanites ARE Greeks in every way. again
they fought and died to make modern Greece free. as such many are celebrated and
loved as heroes. what's your problem? I am from Epirus...and the Souliotes ARE Greek
Heroes.
theodore grapsas Arvanites are Greeks of Albanian descents, that’s it. There’s no reason to be so butthurt about it. Even in Italy they exist, they’re called Arbëresh, and they have no problem at all in declaring that they have Albanian origins. Also this type of music is recognized by UNESCO as world intangible heritage from Albania :) Albanians have always existed, just like the Greeks, you can’t say that we did not exist. Yes, we got independence in 1912, but that doesn’t mean that we didn’t exist before. Look up the Kingdom of Arbanon, which dates back to the middle ages. We coexisted with you during all this time, and here we are in 2019. I’m sure our countries will have better relations in the future.
respekt marko bocari esht cam dhe me behet qefi qe i kendojn trimit historia nuk humbet kurr edhe pse duan ta tregojn ndryshe
100% Albanian folklore from Labëria. Other than the language that this group is using for this particular song, which by the way sounds very unnatural, there is nothing Greek about this. As Albanian as it gets.
Greek has been proven to be spoken in Epirus and South Albania since 1600 BC. Anything else?
@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ sources? You are full of shit. And by sources I mean true scholarly sources, not some Greek Wikipedia article. Greeks did not exist as a nation before the late 1800s. Your history is stolen. Your culture is fake.
@@kp5209 hahaha! Tell me more... Lol
@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ just what I thought. No sources. Zero. Nada! Just propaganda. You are so pathetic.
@@kp5209 tell me more... Albanians are very funny when they teach us history. Hahaha!!!
does new greeks have sth that is not albanian ?! (songs , heroes etc )
we like albanian-illyrian-pelazgian
Roni Ronier WE
In Ottoman occupation there was not Albanian Greek or Turkish, but Muslim and Christian... And many of our heroes that modern Albanians (60% Muslim by the way) consider their compatriots, were brutally butchered by Muslim Albanians including their families and villages, who now thin we are stealing their heritage...
Bravo bravo
Made in China malacas.
Three things are very important here:
1. Marko Bocari is albanian from Suli.
2. They sing a polifonik song, that is albanian heritage.
3. They wear fustanellas, that is un accepted trafitional albanian costume.
@Έλληνας He also fought for Ali Pasha who himself had plans to overthrow the Turks and once the Turks found out they beheaded him. Another thing, the only reason why Greece is a country today is because Muslim Albanians gave up fighting in the middle of the fight because they didn't wanna kill their brothers anymore. So, i today's sense, yes sure, The Arvanites are Greek but not in the ethnic sense because "Arvani" is nothing the Greek version of the Albanian "Arberi" in the Tosk dialect and "Arbeni or Arbani" in the Geg dialect. Third, there is really no point in arguing over these things because Greeks and Albanian have the exact same DNA which you can read in many genetic studies that have been done. Or just do your DNA test and see what you find.
Ore grek gjysma e juaj eshte Iliria..kenge trevave shqipnia.
nuk kam fjale..ca qe kane veshur veshje me origjine shqiptare, por te modeluara si minifunde me shume pala dhe qe perpiqen te kendojne kenget burrerorw te laberise me zerin e holle qe su del nga zemra, pasi duhet te jesh shqiptar ta ndjesh pa ta kendosh pastaj..mua me krojojne pershtypjen sikur po kendojne ata te lgbt
kenget tona haha u shk kaurkat
K D Zeraj po ik o ropqire
Marko Bocari! The Albanian hero who gave Greece independence, how proud of this Hero.
@Greece 1821 o brave do you know that Greeks and Albanians are a race
@Greece 1821 True, but to be honest, even though it happened, we are still more open to diversity
@Greece 1821 We are Albanians, not Turks. but as far as I understand you have read the books back
If he was Albanian how is it possible to be killed by Albanians? Lol
@@ΑθανάσιοςΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-θ7γ Exactly the same way how Achilles fought a lot of his other country men and how Athens and Sparta killed each other forever. The fight we're talking about was religious and not ethnic so it was really Muslims vs Christians so they didn't care much if they where ethnically the same, at least in the beginning until they realized that they're killing each other and the Muslim Albanians just gave up and deserted the Ottoman ranks. That's why Greece got its independence. Or do you really think that a bunch of maybe 2,000 Arvanites (Arberesh or Christian Albanians) would be able to fight of hundreds of thousands of Albanians (Muslim Albanians)? The bottom line is the Albanians on the Ottoman side let the Albanians on the Greek side win because they where massacring them and realised what they were doing so they stopped fighting. Read about the "Battle of Missolonghi" but as a result, the Ottomans took revenge on all the Albanians which is why we ended up spread out in 4 of 5 different countries (first and second Balkan wars). FYI, the Arvanite (Christian Albanians) proposed to the other Albanians to create one country in the late 18th and early 19th century but that was never accepted for reason I don't know. My guess is religion again.
Marko Bocari 100% Arber !!
Jane kenge shqiptare ato nuk i vidhni dot kulturen
😂😂😂😂
Bravo Shqipe
E keni masakruar kengen labe. Ca te ben greku nuk ta ben as leku
Bythlepiresit shqiptar qe kendojnn labcen per greket
Dont sing our heros. They are ARVANITEs. SIPHNIAN/SHIPNIJAN EPERI
pp
Sa do te mundohen greket tingullin dhe rrengjethjen. ta jep vetem ne gjuhen shqipe......
Marko its Albanian
Greece 1821 hhaahhahaha ok
Late nam kur kendoni kengen LABE ne graqisht
Bravody popuj dy vellezer jemi Shqiperi Ggreqi.💎💎💎💎💎💞💞💞💞💞💞💞🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟✈✈✈✈✈✈✈
Hahahaha nice try Marco bocari sulioti
@Greece 1821 gezuar gezim gezime.. dickhead means happy happiness in Albanian language.. gazmir is your boyfriend..what's your real name arvanitas.. let me guess you changed you name to sound more ancient greek..pirro dhima greek pirros dhimas ...ik pirdhu buçe
@Spyros 77 coffee yoghurt Hellenic no chance marco bocari no chance arvanitas no chance .. vllah slavic aromania turkish gypsy arvanitas yes yes ..ancient greeks are minority yes yes
@@gezimbilali1110 Πιο χαζός πεθαινεις😂😂😂😂😂😂 😂😂😂
Ju lumte goja
Κλεοπατρα
ΚΑΛΑ ΟΛΑ...ΔΕΝ ΧΡΕΙΑΖΟΤΑΝ ΝΑ ΠΑΤΕ ΣΕ ΑΥΤΟΝ ΤΟΝ ΓΕΛΟΙΟ
hahahah
nga kapelet duken qe jane Vlleh ... e pse kendojne alla Shqiptarce nuk me prish pune ...leri te mundohen te na ngjajne !!!!
Min 1:17 Greek wonder🤣🤣🤣🤣
cdo kenge munde te vidhet por labcja lahuta dhe ciftelija nuk ka rrace ne bote qe te na i vjedhi se ajo kendohet vetem nga shqiptare autoctone 🇦🇱
Nuk kan byth ti bjen as lahutes as cigtelis Edhe as polifonin ta kendojn si ne ato na takojn neve Edhe Vetem ne I perdorim.. Rroft shqiptarija Edhe ishalla te bashkuar sa me shpejt!