It turned me off how they dismiss Spinderella like she was not a full 3rd member and big part of that group. People came to see all 3 of them. Not just Salt and Pepa. Spinderella was way more than a DJ.
Also, how pep, tried to make treach from naughty by nature look bad.... Just all around not in good standings as a level headed person. Just too emotionally swayed......don't dirty up someone's name, cause your emotional, and still have to deal with that person 4 life..... Its truly sad
@@laurenetta77 I think it was jealousy, she was the prettiest one, just a gorgeous face the other two are attractive as well, but not as pretty as Spin”.
She was but the group was signed before spin came in which means her cintact is different & they r a brand already known with out her so spin was a added touch & the record company didnt care for her because salt n pepper is a big name without her but she was a wonderful add but if she was there when they signed i kno it would hav be salt pepper n spin as the groups first name which leans they didnt have to which the brand
@@blacmonroesnowh.b.i.c2752 Is my point and I feel like once she start contributing to a group that was born salt n pepa why wasn't an agreement met for spin bottom line she got paid for her time she has way more appreciation and contributes in her work with them I get it all I do but sick of hearing about it!
It really bugs me that everything has to be compared to Beyoncé.They were not the Beyoncé, of the 80s.They were Salt n Pepper of the 80s.They were their own category.
As a 54 year old woman, I can assure you that the entire draw to Salt n Pepa at their debut and height for me was the mere fact that they were the only ALL FEMALE GROUP with a LADY DJ name SPINDERELLA! PERIODT
I grew up in the Dom Rep and I had never seen a female DJ until Salt n Pepa appeared in the music scene. Spinderella is part of history and no one can deny it.
Saying Spin wasn't part of the group because she replaced someone is like getting married to a new person and saying they not part of the family. She rapped, did routines, performed in videos. They were a group not a duo.
@@TwistedLyfofTV right she didn't well replaced the first one Chile was not going to some rehearsals and Herbie fired her and Hired Spin and Pepper gotten mad Causes Pepper always thinks thoughts believes she cute but not Since than she didn't like Spin‼️‼️😵💫😵💫😳 Salt went along with her messy Behinds until Pepper turned against cause Salt didn't want to be in party party lifestyles.. Her Salt didn't talk or seee each other for yeeeeears
Why wouldn't you pay this woman. She was part of the group. They have not been open to her. They wanted to keep the money. For Salt to be a God fearing woman the right thing to do would be to give Spin what she is owed.
Yeah, that was a terrible choice of words. They didn't "give" her anything. She showed up, did the work, earned the money, and cemented her legacy just like the the other two. I'm sure Pepa meant that they weren't contractually obligated to split the money evenly three ways, but there is no denying that Spin earned it. They didn't give Spin anything she didn't deserve or anything extra as Pepp was insinuating.
The first DJ got married that's why she left. They telling their story but not the real story. All the divorce mess was way after the group mess. I am a fan but they wrong Spin was a big part of the group.
These 2 has-been are delulu to think Spinderella wasn’t part of the group. She rapped and danced in a lot of the videos. I truly believe it’s jealousy. You never heard of Spin in drama unlike the other 2. 🤦♀️
she was a later addition. Thats why she isn't in the name and wasn't even the original Spinderella. She got her salary and she can go home without nobody caring.
If she wasn’t a full-fledged member of the group, why put her in videos? Why have her onstage in audience view? Why have her on album covers? She was a full-fledged member in every sense of the word except in name.
We can't advance because of this nonsense! Every other population on EARTH looks after each other, but our community always allows money, ego, and hearsay destroys the beauty of togetherness. Appalling and downright destructive.
She was always the cutest in the group & I remember the fellas crushing on her the most of the 3. They saw that & was mad if you ask me. She aged the best too...Pepp done had so much plastic surgery she look like a statue proving she had self esteem issues. Salt's weight issues tells her story so its easy to see how & why they dissed Spin.
@@antwoncummings9931oh please, everyone always said Pepp looked like a dude so stop the Cap. Respect the talent but don't lie just because your a fan.
I refuse to believe the producers of the reality show wanted only Salt and Peppa. Anyone who knows anything about this group expects Spin to be included.
How do you have Spin on every album cover, on your biggest hits, multiple tours and performances but then say she's not in the group? That is the dumbest most unethical gaslighting I have ever seen. Salt N Pepa is and always has been a trio, regardless of the BS they're talking about. That's like saying Michelle isn't a part of Destiny's Child because Beyonce & Kelly started the group first. GTFOH!
She's not on every album cover, nor is she in every video. Salt N Pepa were already established before they knew who Deidra Roper was. Anyone can have the stage name Spinderella as you can see by her being a replacement for the original DJ Spinderella. She's just the most recognized Spinderella.
I’m very disappointed yes, I agree. She was a DJ, but after looking at all of these videos, she was singing dancing, and every picture with them she deserves to be acknowledged as one of the group members.
Robb Base had DJ EZ Rock, LL Cool J had Cut Creator, UTFO had Mix Master Ice, KRS-ONE had Scott La Rock, Run-DMC had Jam Master Jay...all these groups gave major props to their DJ and treated them as an integral part of the group.
In the 80s and early 90s, it was common practice for a rap group to have a DJ. The DJ produced the beats for the songs and that DJ was part of the group. Look at Naughty By Nature, and Run DMC, and Lords of the Underground, and Gang Starr, and A Tribe Called Quest and many others. I think they are leaving Spindarella out of appearance deal so they only have to split the money in 2, rather than in 3.
How Dare you say she wasn't apart of the group. She's the only one who didn't change her looks . She will always be the one 💕 Just like all the other Legends of DJ's. Stop Hating on her ❤
It was always something about Spin for me. I’m 40; grew up seeing them on TV. Spin was (and is) just naturally beautiful. Has a real genuine vibe about her.
So gross how they act like the majority of us didn't want to be Spin. She was laid back and relatable; a real roundaway girl. She put in her work and them some.
@PamelaCook-nh2oc yes!! Facts! Did you see at the end when Salt said she invited Spin? Pepa's face just changed.. it went dead cold and then when Salt said she wanted them to work it out.. there goes that hard swallow from Pepa.. you can see the hate. Pepa needs to humble herself and realise they wouldn't have had half the hits if it wasn't for Spin.
@@adeletait3558 yes ma'am she were envious of her because she Boss Salt around but not Spin and Herbie hired Spin when she didn't wants him to but, She could not boss him‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ Remember Herbie was going to fired Pepper and Salt begged him not to.
Me too! Born in raised in NYC and I couldn't believe the stunt they pulled on Spinderella. Salt N Pepa was my ultimate girls rap group. I haven't gone to any of their shows since.
Those of us that grew up in that Era know it was always a trio... Salt and Spindrella are both aging beautifully. God continue to blessing these ladies
@@dreketorious It relates to it b because I chose to state my opinion on her appearance. Did I need to run that by you first??? STFU and mind YOUR bidness!!!
Spin was in the background yet fine, feminine, classy, and kept it all together .... See she was the balance. My favorite Salt-N-Peppa songs are 'Tramp', 'Do You Really Want Me', 'Let's Talk About Sex', 'Get Up', most of the other popular themes that got a lot of playing time were overrated to me but when those girls were around, they were like everyone's cousin, you couldn't hate them but you knew they just brought it and nothing but respect all the way around.
The original Spinderalla was not missing shows or lacking...The 3 didn't click and Salt's insecurities while in a relationship with Hurby is the reason why she dropped from the group.
With no Spin, I have no interest. Back then, Spin was the main reason I liked the group. Please make up and go have fun finalizing your legacy and making money.
I liked Spinderella the best too. Lots of folks did! She deserved way more pay than they gave her!!! What is a couple million while they're both sitting on 15 million each? They need to break her off some cause she helped them build their sound with her skills for them to get that recognition in the first place!
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They were definitely not the Beyonce of the 80s. They were in their own lane. They helped carve a lane for groups like TLC and other female groups to exist. And most importantly, the 80's and 90's had major competition and so many different artists with their OWN identity. Justice for Spin tho.
@@neicetaylor3363 I hate that everyone has to connect everything to her as she is the blueprint for success. People were successful way before she came along. And I like Beyonce. I respect her craft but I'm just saying. Lets stop this nonsense 😠
🎵 Spinderella's not a fella. What you say? Spinderella's not a fella. That's ok. Spinderella's not a fella. Watch her play. Spinderella's not a fella, but a girl DJ! 🎵 One of my fav songs.
Go look at their debut album cover. Spinderella was a totally different person. She took on the name as a replacement. The song was about the first deejay.
How can Salt downplay Spinderella's involvement by saying she and Peppa were "partners," and already "established" when someone else brought in Spin.........THEN talk about how her "heart is open" and "has always been open" to Spinderella? They tried to erase the contribution of a woman who is equally responsible for their success.
Because that's what happened. The Showstopper, Tramp, and even Push It were all done before they knew who Deidra Roper was. However, she's been working with them for the majority of their careers. Salt N Pepa can still go on and perform their songs without her. Everybody wants to talk about not being able to rewrite history but, hasn't taken the time to remember how this group was started which is a part of that same history.
@@roshonbody3199 How the group started has nothing to do with the success that they achieved with Spin. It's not right to downplay her contributions, no matter when she made them. It certainly isn't right to pretend to have an open heart towards someone, after implying that person didn't help as much as they did.
@@cheriann6461 They've never downplayed her contributions. If that were the case, they would've kept her behind the turntables and wouldn't have felt comfortable trusting her to do the things she did. Their success was NOT because of her. That's like saying your parents are responsible for you getting a masters degree because your teachers taught you how to read.
I think it's just to help people realize how big they were at the time. Because I'm sure there are people that weren't even alive then and/or doesn't really know about them watching this channel.
14:17. After listening to Marlon Waynes intwrview on Shannon, this saddens me. The Waynes' "no man left behind" loyalty unofficial policy is a testamin to the amazing auccess that everyone has had in their camp. The way Marlon and Shawn walked away from NBC because they wouldn't take Witherspoon spoke volumes. They didnt get that deal but then later came the WB and they became the #1 show propelling that network.
Uumm, Salt turns Christian and that's how you treat your fellow band member. Businesses do expand, just because y'all we're established, spin evolved the group.
I don’t believe for a second that people didn’t want Spin to be part of shows and interviews. We all saw her as part of the group and not just an employee. She wasn’t there to record the first album, but I do believe that adding her contributed to their popularity. I have no interest in listening to them since they fired Spin.
I absolutely believe that producers excluded Spinderella. With today’s technology Spinderella isn’t really needed. So why pay for her hotel, airfare, etc.
@@adifferentpointofview1404 But, Spin didn't just DJ. She rapped verses on many of their songs and was just as much a part of the group's face/identity as the other two. That's mainly why it's hard to believe that people didn't want Spin.
DJ Spinderella, you're absolutely fabulous! Your contribution to the group was undeniable - you laid the groundwork for a generation of young women to thrive in the music industry!
They took advantage of a young girl. They will not be blessed until they do her right they are Salt, Pepper and Spin. They need a reality show including her and fixing the relationship as they get off there high horse. They are mean girling her
In my opinion, this would be like Run DMC, ousting Jam Master J. Spin was part of their most successful years, no matter how you spin it. It's her legacy, too. I've been a fan since the beginning and don't even remember the other "2" DJs. This power play is about the money. At the height of their career they could afford her being there, but in these latter years, it was easier to pull a trump card & be the bosses to not figure in a 3rd person to split pay. The people booking them weren't saying they only wanted 2. They were saying this is what we're paying ya'll for the show.
Can yall please stop referring to Beyonce as the end all be all of talent? Whitney was introduced and held HER spot. One of Beyonce's idols. I am so glad you mentioned thier 2nd album. It was so underrated, especially after their 3rd album eclipsed it. I'm glad they broke up after they came here. It would have felt weird if she wasn't there. *They wouldn't even in the SAME category*
I think it is the Beyonce effect. Not since MJ did any black artists make that type of money and make audiences follow them. It isn't the singing. Salt and Peppa don't sing, but they were famous back in the day.
Sandy and Cheryl dampened the group’s legacy by downplaying Spin and shutting her out. Just like SWV has a major tour right now, they should be headlining their own tour. A movie, endorsements etc… They’ve missed out on so much as a trio due to Salt and Pep being selfish and insecure. They’ve dropped the bag and ball on their legacy MAJORLY!
Now I will say this, because spindarella showed everybody her lifetime achievement grammy, she probably wasn't at the event, but she received an award like salt and pepa did, because she SHOWED IT.
Funny how you completely erased the history of the original Spinderella (Latoya Hanson) who was actually on the front cover of Salt n Pepa's first album and rapped on the song "Beauty & the Beat" which was on the Hot Cool & Vicious lp. How can you complain about the 2nd Spinderella being ignored while you ignored the first Spinderella and completely erased her from Salt n Pepa's history?
Totally agree 100%. This is why ppl should never get their facts from a gossip or "tea" channel. They are more concerned about feelings than they are about actual accuracy.
This is what happens when a girl tells a story. They always leave out the important facts and just focus on the drama instead. This video is a disgrace.
I bet the video uploader never even grew up listening to the first Salt n Pepa LP and thinks she's qualified to speak on their early history. Writing in Roper as the DJ during S&P's "Supernature" years just shows how little these girls know about what they are talking about.
I always thought that the group name was Salt & Pepper and the members were Salt, Pep, and Spin. And the story of why the original Spin left was because Herby was all in her face while dating Salt. It's like their relationship isn't spoken about anymore but he was a huge reason for friction in the group.
Naw... Baby, she was definitely part of the group. When you heard the name, Salt -N-Pepa, You thought about Spindarella as well. Like TLC. When you heard that name, you thought of all three.
They had a reality show on BET a few years ago alongside SWV and you literally see the demise of their group on there episode after episode. It was heartbreaking to witness. 😢🙏🏽
@@coreyo.conner7897that movie sucked 😂😂😂😂 that's like run dmc without jmj although they didn't always see eye to eye these women were just nasty that's why one of them had to sell her mansion.
The narrator of this video didn’t have all the facts altogether straight. I’m not referring to Salt’N’Pepa’s dispute with Spin, I’m referring to some of the things and timeframes of their careers.
They treated Spin wrong! She contributed more than enough to be recognized as a main part of the trio. Salt made it sound at 18:08 like they did Spin a favour with the payment...she EARNT that!
@@DarkAngel-oq5ox they wanted her to play the role she agreed to play. Why would she come into their situation and claim more than what she worked for?
@MissRedd2U you know what, I wasn't there and I don't really care. I just call it as I see it. You, obviously seem very invested in it, so mind how you go.
@@thickgoddess1835 There was another Spinderella in the group, but she left. This Spinderella replaced her and took the name because Herby the Luv Bug owned the rights.
I'm not going to support them anymore after the way they treated Spinderella. They shouldn't treat their friend/Sister that way. Thats low down to me. My entire memory of their group involves Spinderella. Salt and Pepa are very self centered...
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She aged the best like fine wine. That's what a clean heart and clear conscience does👍🏾
Wow! My mother always says that ♥️
Factzzx
yesss
Right. I really think they were jealous of Spin's natural beauty.
Good genetics as well
It turned me off how they dismiss Spinderella like she was not a full 3rd member and big part of that group. People came to see all 3 of them. Not just Salt and Pepa. Spinderella was way more than a DJ.
I listened because of her !!! They wrong for that
Also, how pep, tried to make treach from naughty by nature look bad.... Just all around not in good standings as a level headed person. Just too emotionally swayed......don't dirty up someone's name, cause your emotional, and still have to deal with that person 4 life..... Its truly sad
Yeah very Christian of Cheryl 😮😢
@@laurenetta77 I think it was jealousy, she was the prettiest one, just a gorgeous face the other two are attractive as well, but not as pretty as Spin”.
@@cindyb2525
That’s completely a subjective opinion.
Spinderalla is correct. Spinderalla is drop dead gorgeous.
And THAT! probably has EVERYTHING To do with it
@@LeonNobles finest woman alive
Spinderella was more than a DJ! They had her rapping on songs, for goodness sake!
And she rapped better than them. Her verses are always the most memorable
She was but the group was signed before spin came in which means her cintact is different & they r a brand already known with out her so spin was a added touch & the record company didnt care for her because salt n pepper is a big name without her but she was a wonderful add but if she was there when they signed i kno it would hav be salt pepper n spin as the groups first name which leans they didnt have to which the brand
@@blacmonroesnowh.b.i.c2752untrue. Jam Master Jay was a member of Run-DMC when they were signed and his name was not included in the group's name.
@@blacmonroesnowh.b.i.c2752 Is my point and I feel like once she start contributing to a group that was born salt n pepa why wasn't an agreement met for spin bottom line she got paid for her time she has way more appreciation and contributes in her work with them I get it all I do but sick of hearing about it!
Bottom line why be in a group for so long and the solutions aint met a long time ago why now thou
To most people. Their is no Salt N Pepa without Spinderella.
I would never ask for them without all 3
That’s the legacy of the group but once again SNP remain “the business”, unfortunately but we as fans/listeners knows Spin was the truth
FACTS
Facts
Salt, Pepa and Spin (Sugar).
She is the longest running DJ. Her contribution to hip hop is undeniable. Why would they ever exclude her.
Female DJ.
It really bugs me that everything has to be compared to Beyoncé.They were not the Beyoncé, of the 80s.They were Salt n Pepper of the 80s.They were their own category.
And they opened doors for female singing and rap groups!
Thank you. Now I love me some Beyonce, but the world existed before her
THANK YOU!!!! It irritates the hell outta me!!!
Pepa
Facts.. In the 80's we were between the ages of 4-10 ..so was Beyonce 😂
As a 54 year old woman, I can assure you that the entire draw to Salt n Pepa at their debut and height for me was the mere fact that they were the only ALL FEMALE GROUP with a LADY DJ name SPINDERELLA!
PERIODT
Correct! Well said
I grew up in the Dom Rep and I had never seen a female DJ until Salt n Pepa appeared in the music scene. Spinderella is part of history and no one can deny it.
Facts!!!! Female rappers WITH A FEMALE DJ!!!!
Thank You!!
Only blk group at that🎉
Spinderella, was one of my favorite parts of Salt and Peppa. She was working that turn table.
Same!!
She wasn’t just a DJ, she rapped on some of their biggest hits
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And was actually a better rapper and had better bars than both of them!
@@Iamshan1995I agree
Rap and dance... looking at most of their videos, you see Spin front n center.
And gorgeous. I don’t think they liked her popularity either.
Salt and Pepa without Spindarealla is like Run DMC without Jam Master Jay
Facts
Right
Spinderela wasn't a real DJ..🤷🏿♂️Herb made all the tracks...
EXACTLY!!
Not even close. Jay made the beats and produced the tracks.
The way Treach talked about how Pepa talked about him, her husband and father of her child, goes to show the type of person she is.
All that part!
Saying Spin wasn't part of the group because she replaced someone is like getting married to a new person and saying they not part of the family. She rapped, did routines, performed in videos. They were a group not a duo.
They WERE a duo. Sort of like Kid N Play was Kid n Play but they had a DJ too. They were not like Run DMC, De La Soul, etc.
@@brownin329 yes they were a group not a duo exactly like Run DMC.
Chili replace someone in TLC. all ego so sad
Ikr. So I guess the replacement Aunt Viv on Fresh Prince was just a figment of our imagination.
@@TwistedLyfofTV right she didn't well replaced the first one Chile was not going to some rehearsals and Herbie fired her and Hired Spin and Pepper gotten mad Causes Pepper always thinks thoughts believes she cute but not Since than she didn't like Spin‼️‼️😵💫😵💫😳 Salt went along with her messy Behinds until Pepper turned against cause Salt didn't want to be in party party lifestyles.. Her Salt didn't talk or seee each other for yeeeeears
They way Pepp said "and we didn't have to give her that" shows exactly how much she undervalued Spins contribution to their legacy 🤦🏽♂️..
Why wouldn't you pay this woman. She was part of the group. They have not been open to her. They wanted to keep the money. For Salt to be a God fearing woman the right thing to do would be to give Spin what she is owed.
Yeah, that was a terrible choice of words. They didn't "give" her anything. She showed up, did the work, earned the money, and cemented her legacy just like the the other two. I'm sure Pepa meant that they weren't contractually obligated to split the money evenly three ways, but there is no denying that Spin earned it. They didn't give Spin anything she didn't deserve or anything extra as Pepp was insinuating.
1m is very different than a share. Money is still rolling in every time a commercial uses the music.
She’s a hyena! She needs a one way coach class ticket to the Serengeti!
The first DJ got married that's why she left. They telling their story but not the real story. All the divorce mess was way after the group mess. I am a fan but they wrong Spin was a big part of the group.
NO ONE wants to see salt n' pepa without the Lady DJ Spinderella!🎯💯
Now we see why the first one left.🤨
Salt and Pepa needs to make peace with DJ Spinderella,go on tour get this new money
They had show and they were going on tour with swv, it didn't work out
They betta
Salt is controlling. Pepa is following everything she does. Smh
Salt is controlling. Pepa follows her like a puppy. Useless.
Yes they do 😊 but now they have DJ Wiz of Kid n Play
These 2 has-been are delulu to think Spinderella wasn’t part of the group. She rapped and danced in a lot of the videos. I truly believe it’s jealousy. You never heard of Spin in drama unlike the other 2. 🤦♀️
💯💯💯
No group without her❤❤❤❤❤❤
Big jealous
she was a later addition. Thats why she isn't in the name and wasn't even the original Spinderella. She got her salary and she can go home without nobody caring.
Can’t believe these women smh Petty as Hell
They know Spin deserves her flowers. No one even remembers the original Spin
I do
If she wasn’t a full-fledged member of the group, why put her in videos? Why have her onstage in audience view? Why have her on album covers?
She was a full-fledged member in every sense of the word except in name.
Spin was the N in Salt N Pepa
We can't advance because of this nonsense! Every other population on EARTH looks after each other, but our community always allows money, ego, and hearsay destroys the beauty of togetherness. Appalling and downright destructive.
P.S., when you see T. Hall, know she only cares about money. Don't care who she hurts, it's about making a situation worse for the views. SMH.
and paper work
And 🤑💰 money. . Apparently.
Disappointed that Spin had to spin off on them. She's the beauty of the group.
They were all gorgeous!! What are u talking about???
She was always the cutest in the group & I remember the fellas crushing on her the most of the 3. They saw that & was mad if you ask me. She aged the best too...Pepp done had so much plastic surgery she look like a statue proving she had self esteem issues. Salt's weight issues tells her story so its easy to see how & why they dissed Spin.
@@antwoncummings9931oh please, everyone always said Pepp looked like a dude so stop the Cap. Respect the talent but don't lie just because your a fan.
Not spin off? 😂😂😂
@phyniseconner2011 Shut up!! Everybody I grew up with love Pepa! You must be around some soft ass dudes!! And wasn't nobody talking to u! Fomf!!
I refuse to believe the producers of the reality show wanted only Salt and Peppa. Anyone who knows anything about this group expects Spin to be included.
Notice, they were the only ones talking...
I hope Spindarella get all her money!!!!
Every cent
And much more 👌🏾
How do you have Spin on every album cover, on your biggest hits, multiple tours and performances but then say she's not in the group? That is the dumbest most unethical gaslighting I have ever seen. Salt N Pepa is and always has been a trio, regardless of the BS they're talking about. That's like saying Michelle isn't a part of Destiny's Child because Beyonce & Kelly started the group first. GTFOH!
@@misterme9829 it’s crazy!!! It’s showing greedy but then Salt want to say she’s religious. 🤦♀️ it’s always a “Christian”
@@eunicevasquez8596 Religion has nothing to do with it. Just because she professes Jesus with her mouth, her heart is far from him.
EXACTLY!!!
@@BoxingYaHeadsOff....#SAAYTHAT!!
She's not on every album cover, nor is she in every video. Salt N Pepa were already established before they knew who Deidra Roper was. Anyone can have the stage name Spinderella as you can see by her being a replacement for the original DJ Spinderella. She's just the most recognized Spinderella.
I’m very disappointed yes, I agree. She was a DJ, but after looking at all of these videos, she was singing dancing, and every picture with them she deserves to be acknowledged as one of the group members.
The cosmetic surgery destroyed salt and pepa. Spin is naturally beautiful.
Destroyed Sandy (Peppa). I don’t think Cheryl (Salt) had procedures done.
I was gonna post,'doesn't Spinderella remind you of the late great Donna Summer"?
I think she's Gorgeous!!
Pepa looks crazy
@@DeCurtaRicansalts nose?
Robb Base had DJ EZ Rock, LL Cool J had Cut Creator, UTFO had Mix Master Ice, KRS-ONE had Scott La Rock, Run-DMC had Jam Master Jay...all these groups gave major props to their DJ and treated them as an integral part of the group.
Even Lil Wayne give Manny his props with "Go DJ"
LL Cool J had Cut Creator and Bobcat (watch the video "I'm Bad"). I'm not so sure about EZ Rock, he was a DJ in training.
In the 80s and early 90s, it was common practice for a rap group to have a DJ. The DJ produced the beats for the songs and that DJ was part of the group. Look at Naughty By Nature, and Run DMC, and Lords of the Underground, and Gang Starr, and A Tribe Called Quest and many others. I think they are leaving Spindarella out of appearance deal so they only have to split the money in 2, rather than in 3.
Let’s not forget Public Enemy had Terminator X!
@@maudinerichardson3361 YESSS! C'mon now
How Dare you say she wasn't apart of the group. She's the only one who didn't change her looks . She will always be the one 💕 Just like all the other Legends of DJ's. Stop Hating on her ❤
And Salt calls herself a christian ????? Salt and Peppa should be ashamed . DJ Spinderella was everything and a huge part of their brand.
They are foul for how they treated Spin.
Very
just PERIOD
Spin aged the best and was the heart of that group.
It was always something about Spin for me. I’m 40; grew up seeing them on TV. Spin was (and is) just naturally beautiful. Has a real genuine vibe about her.
Salt and Peppa are truely delusional. The Grammys were won with this woman called Spinderella.😂😂😂
They probably were jealous of spindarella . She was very beautiful.
They were all beautiful young ladies.
I agree!@@kimgoode1591
So gross how they act like the majority of us didn't want to be Spin. She was laid back and relatable; a real roundaway girl. She put in her work and them some.
I refuse to support them after what they did to Spinderella. .
Me too It were Pepper all along and Salty went along with Pepper messy ssa
Agreed they give off mean girl vibes
@PamelaCook-nh2oc yes!! Facts! Did you see at the end when Salt said she invited Spin? Pepa's face just changed.. it went dead cold and then when Salt said she wanted them to work it out.. there goes that hard swallow from Pepa.. you can see the hate. Pepa needs to humble herself and realise they wouldn't have had half the hits if it wasn't for Spin.
@@adeletait3558 yes ma'am she were envious of her because she Boss Salt around but not Spin and Herbie hired Spin when she didn't wants him to but, She could not boss him‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ Remember Herbie was going to fired Pepper and Salt begged him not to.
Me too! Born in raised in NYC and I couldn't believe the stunt they pulled on Spinderella. Salt N Pepa was my ultimate girls rap group. I haven't gone to any of their shows since.
What the hell did Pepa do to herself?? The plastic surgery isn't working for her. At least Spinderella looks the same, she's still pretty
Spin is the prettiest
Always❤❤❤
thats probably why they beefed her she was younger and prettier
That s y they did that to here ❤ you spin and you still look better then them.periodt
Yessss
Nah, they were the talent
4 years later, this news still breaks my heart. They supposed to look out for each other. Sisterhood. Money does change folks. SMH.
Have you been around many women at all?
Those of us that grew up in that Era know it was always a trio... Salt and Spindrella are both aging beautifully. God continue to blessing these ladies
For them to say that Spinderella is/was not a part of the group is utterly RIDICULOUS!! Salt~N~Peppa is a trio not a duo.
She literally is a part of salt n pepa. That's why they didn't go further.
All I can say is, if Spinderella wasn't a big deal, then why was she included in so many of the pictures?
So that there could be at least one pretty woman in the photo😊
@@jacquelynn2051 lol 💀
Every damn album cover
Cause she was the prettiest. Or at the very least the only pretty one lol
Without Spindarella there is no Salt N Peppa
Spinderella is the prettiest one out of all of them 💯
Do you know her?
Why make a comma just to be running your mouth that's not cool
How does looks relate to this. I think they are all beautiful
@@dreketorious It relates to it b because I chose to state my opinion on her appearance. Did I need to run that by you first??? STFU and mind YOUR bidness!!!
Mmmmmm maybe that was the problem
@@dreketorious💯
Spinderella was the secret sauce. She spiced it up 💁🏽♀️🥰🥰🥰
Spin was in the background yet fine, feminine, classy, and kept it all together .... See she was the balance. My favorite Salt-N-Peppa songs are 'Tramp', 'Do You Really Want Me', 'Let's Talk About Sex', 'Get Up', most of the other popular themes that got a lot of playing time were overrated to me but when those girls were around, they were like everyone's cousin, you couldn't hate them but you knew they just brought it and nothing but respect all the way around.
@@Ale-yl4wdSo?
Spinderella was the smoked paprika that salt and pepper needed tbh🤷🏽♀️
The original Spinderalla was not missing shows or lacking...The 3 didn't click and Salt's insecurities while in a relationship with Hurby is the reason why she dropped from the group.
THAT PART
Yup!
That's the problem with late 80s and 90s groups they didn't read contracts or have attorneys on hand
Mean Girls are also over 50
With no Spin, I have no interest. Back then, Spin was the main reason I liked the group. Please make up and go have fun finalizing your legacy and making money.
How we she the main reason, she was on the side spinning the record, come on now
Same❤❤💯💯
I liked Spinderella the best too. Lots of folks did! She deserved way more pay than they gave her!!! What is a couple million while they're both sitting on 15 million each? They need to break her off some cause she helped them build their sound with her skills for them to get that recognition in the first place!
She’s the ‘N’ in Salt N Pepper
@@Mister75199 Lol! You had to be there to understand. The performances, videos, posters, etc. Spin was the one that a lot of us crushed on.
Alston Cousin Dee Dee, if you are reading this please know you have family support here for you. Keep striving and pushing for what is yours. This is your year for resolution. ❤️ + ☮️
They were definitely not the Beyonce of the 80s. They were in their own lane. They helped carve a lane for groups like TLC and other female groups to exist.
And most importantly, the 80's and 90's had major competition and so many different artists with their OWN identity. Justice for Spin tho.
YESSS, EXACTLY!!!!
Beyonce was nowhere in the picture when these girls were burning it up 😮
EXACTLY! THANK YOU
@@neicetaylor3363 I hate that everyone has to connect everything to her as she is the blueprint for success. People were successful way before she came along. And I like Beyonce. I respect her craft but I'm just saying. Lets stop this nonsense 😠
PERIOD!
They did Spin dirty.
Yucky! 😢
Spinderella Saying her self-esteem was low but as a child feeling she was the best looking just shows how our thoughts can destruct us!
Yesss!!
🎵 Spinderella's not a fella. What you say? Spinderella's not a fella. That's ok. Spinderella's not a fella. Watch her play. Spinderella's not a fella, but a girl DJ! 🎵
One of my fav songs.
That was my jam 🔥
That's my jam right there ..❤️💕💓💗
I call them Spinderella & her Evil Step Sista's, that didn't want her to Ball Out!
Go look at their debut album cover. Spinderella was a totally different person. She took on the name as a replacement. The song was about the first deejay.
How can Salt downplay Spinderella's involvement by saying she and Peppa were "partners," and already "established" when someone else brought in Spin.........THEN talk about how her "heart is open" and "has always been open" to Spinderella?
They tried to erase the contribution of a woman who is equally responsible for their success.
Exactly that's foul..
Because that's what happened. The Showstopper, Tramp, and even Push It were all done before they knew who Deidra Roper was. However, she's been working with them for the majority of their careers. Salt N Pepa can still go on and perform their songs without her. Everybody wants to talk about not being able to rewrite history but, hasn't taken the time to remember how this group was started which is a part of that same history.
@@roshonbody3199 How the group started has nothing to do with the success that they achieved with Spin.
It's not right to downplay her contributions, no matter when she made them. It certainly isn't right to pretend to have an open heart towards someone, after implying that person didn't help as much as they did.
@@cheriann6461 They've never downplayed her contributions. If that were the case, they would've kept her behind the turntables and wouldn't have felt comfortable trusting her to do the things she did. Their success was NOT because of her. That's like saying your parents are responsible for you getting a masters degree because your teachers taught you how to read.
@@roshonbody3199it’s not about the very start two songs out and Spin was the the DJ a a a singer/rapper of the group
Spin sang and
danced in the videos. Spin did two jobs, she deserve respect and money. Give Spin her flowers, Periodt!
I really like Spin😊
Without Spin,I won’t interested in Salt n Pepa.srry,without Spin,y’all ain’t the same and sad how they treated her,vey,very disrespectful
I wish folks would stop attaching Beyonce to other people's success. She has her own success and other artists have their own success. 🙄
I think it's just to help people realize how big they were at the time. Because I'm sure there are people that weren't even alive then and/or doesn't really know about them watching this channel.
14:17. After listening to Marlon Waynes intwrview on Shannon, this saddens me. The Waynes' "no man left behind" loyalty unofficial policy is a testamin to the amazing auccess that everyone has had in their camp. The way Marlon and Shawn walked away from NBC because they wouldn't take Witherspoon spoke volumes. They didnt get that deal but then later came the WB and they became the #1 show propelling that network.
Uumm, Salt turns Christian and that's how you treat your fellow band member. Businesses do expand, just because y'all we're established, spin evolved the group.
I don’t believe for a second that people didn’t want Spin to be part of shows and interviews. We all saw her as part of the group and not just an employee. She wasn’t there to record the first album, but I do believe that adding her contributed to their popularity. I have no interest in listening to them since they fired Spin.
I don’t believe they specifically stated that they don’t want spinderella AT ALL‼️
I absolutely believe that producers excluded Spinderella. With today’s technology Spinderella isn’t really needed. So why pay for her hotel, airfare, etc.
I do. White male execs have zero respect for black women, so I am sure they started the riff. I certainly believe that Spin was brought in by Herbie.
@@adifferentpointofview1404 But, Spin didn't just DJ. She rapped verses on many of their songs and was just as much a part of the group's face/identity as the other two. That's mainly why it's hard to believe that people didn't want Spin.
@@tincredible She rapped on one song
The album "Hot Cool and Vicious" was Pebbles Blueprint for TLC.
Spinderella name is pefect because she treated bad by two wicked sistas.
Now why was I just thinking that? 😂😂😂
DJ Spinderella, you're absolutely fabulous! Your contribution to the group was undeniable - you laid the groundwork for a generation of young women to thrive in the music industry!
THEY TREATED HER LIKE SHIT BECAUSE SHE WAS PRETTY! PERIOD AND SHE KNOWS IT,
Spin was the reason why I wanted to be A DJ back in the day
They took advantage of a young girl. They will not be blessed until they do her right they are Salt, Pepper and Spin. They need a reality show including her and fixing the relationship as they get off there high horse. They are mean girling her
@@abeautifulfamily8654 Facts💯💯💯
I always thought that Spinderella is the pretty one of the group…she’s aged the best as well.
She didn't mess up her face like they did, well mainly Pep
What does her looks have to do with anything?
Spin is the heart & soul of the group ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
So just say you want to split the money two ways versus three ways.... clearly that's what you were able to figure out 🧂 n Pepa...
In my opinion, this would be like Run DMC, ousting Jam Master J. Spin was part of their most successful years, no matter how you spin it. It's her legacy, too. I've been a fan since the beginning and don't even remember the other "2" DJs. This power play is about the money. At the height of their career they could afford her being there, but in these latter years, it was easier to pull a trump card & be the bosses to not figure in a 3rd person to split pay. The people booking them weren't saying they only wanted 2. They were saying this is what we're paying ya'll for the show.
Exactly this and I was thinking too if the Lunatics, Slow Down is considered part of the group and all he does is wear a mask and hype the crowd up.
RUN DMC could not in fact oust JMJ because he founded the group. Dee did not co found SnP. She had impact though. I think it came down to money.
If they all had a united front, either all of us or non of us, would have gone a long way.😊😊
Can yall please stop referring to Beyonce as the end all be all of talent? Whitney was introduced and held HER spot. One of Beyonce's idols. I am so glad you mentioned thier 2nd album. It was so underrated, especially after their 3rd album eclipsed it. I'm glad they broke up after they came here. It would have felt weird if she wasn't there.
*They wouldn't even in the SAME category*
I think it is the Beyonce effect. Not since MJ did any black artists make that type of money and make audiences follow them. It isn't the singing. Salt and Peppa don't sing, but they were famous back in the day.
exactly
Bey said " Bitches bow down"
I’m willing to bet that New Edition didn’t treat Johnny Gill that way.
Johnny had a singing career already.
Was thinking the same thing
@@doublepromo8240 Hardly
I remember at a concert and they were changing and spin was on the stage killing it....going crazy! 😮
Sandy and Cheryl dampened the group’s legacy by downplaying Spin and shutting her out. Just like SWV has a major tour right now, they should be headlining their own tour. A movie, endorsements etc… They’ve missed out on so much as a trio due to Salt and Pep being selfish and insecure. They’ve dropped the bag and ball on their legacy MAJORLY!
There was no Salt & Pepa without Spinderella
Get out of your FEELINGS... they were ALREADY a group before she came along, that's a FACT .. not FEELINGS
@@EnhancedSimplicityTheir music wouldn't have been as big without Spinderella
Facts
@tineshacopeland5414 They're wrong for the things they're but that comment just ain't true.
That's a lie.
Spinderella was always the prettiest one to me
Now I will say this, because spindarella showed everybody her lifetime achievement grammy, she probably wasn't at the event, but she received an award like salt and pepa did, because she SHOWED IT.
Spinderella has always been so beautiful. I hope the ladies can make peace and come together again.
What does her looks have to do with anything?
Funny how you completely erased the history of the original Spinderella (Latoya Hanson)
who was actually on the front cover of Salt n Pepa's first album and rapped on the song
"Beauty & the Beat" which was on the Hot Cool & Vicious lp.
How can you complain about the 2nd Spinderella being ignored while you ignored the
first Spinderella and completely erased her from Salt n Pepa's history?
Totally agree 100%. This is why ppl should never get their facts from a gossip
or "tea" channel. They are more concerned about feelings than they are about
actual accuracy.
This is what happens when a girl tells a story. They always leave out the important
facts and just focus on the drama instead. This video is a disgrace.
I bet the video uploader never even grew up listening to the first Salt n Pepa LP
and thinks she's qualified to speak on their early history.
Writing in Roper as the DJ during S&P's "Supernature" years just shows how little
these girls know about what they are talking about.
The video uploader is more concerned about Pepa's cosmetic surgery
than she is about being accurate in S&P's history. What a pointless
video. So dumb.
The best of ‘Whatta Man’ is Spinderella!
Spinderella was on the album's covers, in the videos, on the magazines, DJing at the shows and they say she wasn't a official group member! Crazy
She was rapping in some of the songs and on stage dancing and performing with them. It's shameful how they are doing her.
All this proves is that salt n peppa was more so about the money, clout and fame then actual friendship.
This is one of the craziest conflicts I have ever heard of. Salt n Pepa need to make this right.
I always thought that the group name was Salt & Pepper and the members were Salt, Pep, and Spin. And the story of why the original Spin left was because Herby was all in her face while dating Salt. It's like their relationship isn't spoken about anymore but he was a huge reason for friction in the group.
Yup Salt was in love with that man
Exactly! These youngins don’t know!!
Spin was always naturally the prettiest. Always wondered if that created the problem.
Naw... Baby, she was definitely part of the group. When you heard the name, Salt -N-Pepa, You thought about Spindarella as well. Like TLC. When you heard that name, you thought of all three.
Agreed until you brought up TLC. LeftEye was in the process of going solo and had seperated herself from the group. She's barely even on FanMail.
They had a reality show on BET a few years ago alongside SWV and you literally see the demise of their group on there episode after episode. It was heartbreaking to witness. 😢🙏🏽
Yes!!! I watched it...Salt and Pepa still weren't the best seasoning with how they treated Spin
@gagoangwemoroka7993 it made me look at them completely different after it aired.
@@coreyo.conner7897I saw that way back on behind the music 😂😂😂 when they said their cut of the pie was bigger .
@@coreyo.conner7897that movie sucked 😂😂😂😂 that's like run dmc without jmj although they didn't always see eye to eye these women were just nasty that's why one of them had to sell her mansion.
Spindarella was treated like Cinderella. She's probably just as or more talented and was definitely the prettiest.
They don’t seem to give her the credit she deserves.
I think it is sad that Spindrella was excluded from the group. She put in the work, she should awarded.
Spinderella was my favorite.
Herbie said that Salt was named so for her cooler, laid back personality and Pepa for her more spicy, outgoing personality. Not about skin tone.
The narrator of this video didn’t have all the facts altogether straight. I’m not referring to Salt’N’Pepa’s dispute with Spin, I’m referring to some of the things and timeframes of their careers.
This is so petty. You can’t rap without a beat. We love Spin!
I was Spin’s cameraman for many years! And I saw firsthand the damage those girls did to her
Wow probably jealous bc the fellas especially liked her addition. Women did too bc she’s so pretty.
@@fablife6236: That’s what I said. I think they were jealous of her.
I always thought they did her wrong.
I don't believe they were jealous. I do believe it came down to money.
@@brownin329
Your opinion versus ours 🤷🏿♀️
They treated Spin wrong! She contributed more than enough to be recognized as a main part of the trio. Salt made it sound at 18:08 like they did Spin a favour with the payment...she EARNT that!
I don’t think she should’ve been apart of it, if it wasn’t apart of the agreement. Spin was the DJ and a great one.
@MissRedd2U sounds like they didn't want her to be part of the agreement! All them years for nothing, nah... that's wrong!
@@DarkAngel-oq5ox they wanted her to play the role she agreed to play. Why would she come into their situation and claim more than what she worked for?
@MissRedd2U you know what, I wasn't there and I don't really care. I just call it as I see it. You, obviously seem very invested in it, so mind how you go.
Spinderella Was The Finest Of Them All.
Spinderella was treated like a Cinderella step child 💔
Preach that sh*t 😆
Now I'm interested to know how she got her group name😅
@@thickgoddess1835 There was another Spinderella in the group, but she left. This Spinderella replaced her and took the name because Herby the Luv Bug owned the rights.
@@thickgoddess1835 That’s a good question 💯
I'm not going to support them anymore after the way they treated Spinderella. They shouldn't treat their friend/Sister that way. Thats low down to me. My entire memory of their group involves Spinderella. Salt and Pepa are very self centered...
Spinderella is naturally beautiful, and that is probably the real issue.