Come Follow Me - Mosiah 29-Alma 4 (part 1): "The Voice of the People"
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- Part 1 of a 3-part verse-by-verse study of Mosiah 29 through Alma 4, which recounts the establishment of the reign of the judges and the accounts of Nehor and Amlici. Part 1 focuses on Mosiah 29 and examines monarchy versus representative democracy, the need for an informed electorate, rights and responsibilities, "freedom to" as compared to "freedom from," and parallels between this chapter and the War in Heaven. Join Jared Halverson for your weekly Come Follow Me study of the Book of Mormon!
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I hope you will continue these lessons! I love them and appreciate your time to record them. Please don’t stop.
I'm doing my best to keep up! Thanks for the encouragement!
I am so grateful for all of these lessons. This is my second time through listening and this time I am sitting following through with my scriptures, Thank you for helping me improve my study and my relationship with the savior.
i love my sunday morning part 1 unshaken online church part 2 and 3 and a nice long walk outside i think i will miss this is we can go back to church oooh good news next week i can after 14 weeks see my elders cook for them be with them im so happy it feels like christmas have a blessed week stay safe stay happy
I'm sure they'll be just as happy to reconnect with you! It's a blessing that we're able to start bridging some of the social distance we've needed to keep. Enjoy your long-anticipated reconnections!
I hope somehow these continue even after we are able to go back!
@@Unshaken I pray and pray that we can keep this republic that has been given us of God.
@@aliciamilne2314 I'm hoping to keep them going as well! We'll see what the future holds!
@@Unshaken I love your amazing lessons . You cover everything for the week. I just happened upon you and really appreciated your lesson. Did you start in January? If so I want to go back and start with Nephi. Are you related to Taylor Halverson? We watch him and Tyler Griffin. Among the 3 of you we are learning a lot! Thanks Jared!
I have this notion that what is going on is a form of cognitive social dissonance. It is the nature of man to seek authority and shun accountancy. At issue is that a perfection (balance) is achieved only when authority and accountancy are fused.
Perfectly said. True leadership is the fusion of authority and accountability, just as you described. That doesn't mean the leadership will be perfect, but that the leader will take responsibility for mistakes made, and learn from them to improve. I've always been impressed with leaders like that.
Interesting about the ‘Mantle’... so many things in the Gospel we take as an imagery or symbolic - yet they’re not! When I first came home from my mission I was in a huge ward and felt a bit lost. I didn’t really know anyone, I was young and I was called as Counselor in the RS... I felt so out of my depth!! Not only did I feel like a small fish in a huge pond, but I viewed the women around me as so wise, and experienced - they were married, had children, had life experiences, jobs/careers - I was nothing. Yet when my Bishop laid his hands on my head to set me apart, there was NOTHING SYMBOLIC about that mantle - it was tangible and it was heavy, but it was also warm and comforting fully knowing that Heavenly Father trusted ME with a job and was giving me all the ‘instruments’ I needed to do that job. I have served in many other callings since that day, and whenever I have had hands laid on my head, I remember that Mantle, and know that even though I don’t feel it so tangibly anymore, it is there!! With each and every calling comes a very special set of tools and even though we may not realize it at the time, whenever we are called to any calling in the Church, once those hands are laid on our heads, Heavenly Father also deposits a Mantle on our shoulders!
Such a beautiful description of how that mantle feels when it begins to press down upon our all-too-narrow shoulders! What a blessing you must have been to that first group of sisters. Recognizing the mantle (seeing it as distinct from our own natural abilities) is what helps us trust in God instead of relying on the arm of flesh--and His arm is so much stronger than our own! Thank you for sharing!
I am watching all the videos I missed prior to discovering your channel! Thank you so much for sharing your time, talents, and knowledge!!!! I am learning so much!!!!
Bless you for going back! I still think some of those early lessons (especially the ones on King Benjamin and Abinadi) are some of the most important, but the channel was much smaller then. I'm grateful you would want to rewind the clock and study again those chapters. I pray the lessons are helpful!
Brother Halverson, I have never, in my 67 years of life, enjoyed learning about The Book of Mormon like I do while studying with you. You are absolutely wonderful. The Book of Mormon has truly become alive for me. Thank you so, so much.
Thank you so much for your kindness and encouragement. The Book of Mormon is such a treasure trove! Thanks for letting me be a part of your scripture study!
When you say "democracy" to what are you referring? a form of government? a source of political power? something else? Certainly the form of government during the time of Alma the younger and the USA are distinct. I am guessing you are referring to something other than government.
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I just needed to wait. The democracy you are referring to is not a freedom from authority, constraints, rules; but a freedom to self-govern and be responsible for the consequences of our own actions. This is distinct from conventional democracy (a new word may be warranted, accountancy?).
The problem of unrighteous dominion is a result of decoupling rights (or authority) and responsibility. Even the word responsibility is misleading, it is not just the ability to respond but the requirement to accept the duty to respond to the trials which present themselves whether as a consequence of our actions or not.
Excellent thoughts! You're correct that what Mosiah 29 is describing is very different from our understanding of democracies (and "accountancy" does seem to get closer to the mark). And I like your take on "responsibility" as the requirement to respond. Great stuff!
I really appreciate the lessons. It’s very helpful with his commentary.
Good to hear! The Book of Mormon is worth our time and attention!
When you mentioned the question of a government ruled by judges (law) or monarch (whim), I was reminded of thisscholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1392&context=jbms
Looks like an awesome article. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
A very educational, inspiring program amidst Pandemic, thank you very much
Thank you for watching! It's a privilege to be a part of your scripture study!
I appreciate all the work you do on these videos and your well thought out perspective. I live in Mexico and wonder if you have thought of doing a Spanish version? I think most Spanish speakers do not have access to as many great online helps and especially church books. Also i wanted to share a perspective on the Mosiah turning the government to the people. I think the people of Limhi returning likely had a huge impact on him. He saw the mistakes of his sons and also the story of King Noah. But even more than this were the plates of the Jaredites that they brought back for him to translate. You can imagine his horror of what happened among those people when he read it. No one had known much about the Jaredites until these plates were brought to him to translate. Anyway thanks for all you do.
Brother Halvorsen, I have compared about a dozen or more similar presentations from the Book of Mormon 2020 Come Follow Me curriculum presenters. Some have a few thousand views and some over a 100,000. Everyone has a different style with emphasis on various scriptures for the weekly reading assignment. I know it is hard to cover everything in a short 45 or 50-minute presentation so you and others sometimes have a Part 2 or 3. I rank your presentations in the top 1 or 2. I just found you on TH-cam today when you covered Alma 5-7 in another presentation.
However, I'm deeply saddened that you and many other similar presenters rigorously promote the Mesoamerican setting for the Book of Mormon. Anyone alive in the past 60 or so years was taught that model. I taught that model as a missionary back in the 1970s. I taught it to coworkers. I regret having done that because I firmly believe that model is absolutely WRONG. I believe the Book of Mormon happened in America. The evidence corresponds very well with the Adena and Hopewell people. The Mississippi River was the river Sidon. Sadly, about 1/3 of the artwork and videos in Come Follow Me promote the Mesoamerican model.
The church is neutral on Book of Mormon Geography. Sadly, the Saints editors, CES, BYU, Book of Mormon Central, Ensign, Meridian Magazine, LDS Living, Interpreter, FairMormon and many others vigorously promote the Mesoamerican Model. The church can't be neutral on geography and promote one theory over more than 150 documented models. Please, ditch those Mayan structures. The one you repeatedly use in this presentation depicts Chichen Itza. This city thrived from about 600 until 1221 AD. This is way outside the Book of Mormon time period. Don't fool people into thinking that the Book of Mormon took place in Mesoamerica. These giant structures don't reflect the simple building standards of the Nephites.
In 1972, Hugh Nibley said, "The Book of Mormon is a history of a related primitive church, and one may well ask what kind of remains the Nephites would leave us from their more virtuous days. A closer approximation to the Book of Mormon picture of Nephite culture is seen in the earth and palisade structures of the Hopewell and Adena culture areas than in the later stately piles of stone in Mesoamerica."
Thank you for your kind words about these lessons. I'm grateful you've found them to be enlightening, which is the power the Book of Mormon promises us as we engage in a serious study of its message of Jesus Christ.
As I mentioned in an earlier response, my interest in and testimony of the Book of Mormon is theological, not geographical. I'm fine with it happening anywhere, and choose not to be dogmatic in support of or opposition to any particular geographical model or theory. It simply doesn't play a central role in "the fulness of [the book's] intent" so I'm unconcerned to be "particular" concerning specific locations (see 1 Ne. 6). And if you listen to these lessons with your eyes closed, I think you'll recognize that. As I said elsewhere, not being an artist myself, I'm at the mercy of existing artwork, and I'm no more concerned about that art's geographic or historical accuracy as I am about the obviously inaccurate depictions of scriptural figures throughout so much of art history. To me, art is like poetry; meant more to convey interior feelings than to convey empirical facts. Scripture largely functions in that more transcendent, less scientific realm as well.
Thanks again for your obvious love of the scriptures. I look forward to our continued study of the word of God. I am grateful that the "geography" of His perfect love is all-encompassing!