Japan's Most Extreme Social Recluses: Hikikomori in their Personal Prison (Japanese Documentary)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- They are becoming more and more numerous but we do not see them. Some disappear into solitude without anyone noticing. These are the ‘Hikikomori’.
‘Hikikomori’ is a Japanese word used to describe reclusive adolescents or adults who withdraw from the public world and seek extreme degrees of isolation. The phenomenon first gripped the population of Japan in the 1990s, thought to be triggered by the economic crisis and academic pressures imposed by society.
Today, this expression of modern suffering seems to be spreading elsewhere in the world, particularly in France, where it has been recognised by medical experts only recently.
In both France and Japan, we follow psychiatrist Marie-Jeanne Guedj as she endeavours to understand ‘Hikikomori’ and treat those who are suffering from the condition.
This documentary was produced by Magneto and directed by Michaëlle Gagnet. It was first released in 2020.
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Hikikomori is not a medical problem. It is a social problem. Young men are told they must proceed through endless levels of education and employment. The young men who find they are incapable of completing this process are diagnosed as either with mental illness or lazy. They are neither.........
Japan caused all this. I sadly don't feel pity for the recluses. If they don't want help, we can't force them.
It's a big dilemma.
@@Yayofangamer16 are you kindly explain how japan caused all these ?
I don't necessarily agree. It is both a medical and societal issue. People with mental illnesses, such as autism, asperger, depression, ADHD, etc... are not being diagnosed or treated because mental illnesses might be deemed taboo, so they're simply passed off as lazy or weird, and they might find it a lot easier to fit in, until they break and shut themselves in their own world. In other words, mental illnesses cause inadequacy, inadequacy pushes people to flee society, and the lack of proper diagnosis and care prevents them from ever returning to the outside world.
Sure, we might argue that being a recluse for many years worsened their mental state, but I think there was something messing up with their brains from the beginning for most of these hikikomoris.
It can be mental health issues and trauma from school.
@@Yayofangamer16how sad. We don’t ask for sympathy we already know how messed up people are . Also being one I have been diagnosed with mental illness. Easy to talk without knowing
To tell you the truth, I want to work 10-15 years, gather money, retire early and live like that, completely alone. I just don't want to be around people anymore.
I don't mind dying alone in an apartment. I would be dead, what would it matter to me anyways?
Dying is often a slow painful process. That's why people dying are on morpheme for months.
Weird
Same
We are molding by parents, friends, environment, experience, knowledge.... Life suckss
We can only live the way we know it.
You'd need 20 to 30 years of work. With only 10 to 15 You'd watch your money slowly walk out the bank account till you hit 0 at the age of 55
I am 30,F, from Germany. Was diagnosed with multiple psychiatric illnesses at the age of 11. I started withdrawing from society and developed depression very early because most people are cruel and I couldn’t stand it. I tried a shit ton of therapy, medication and rehabilitation centres, but nothing helped. I luckily have one person in my family that takes care of me. I’d be lost without her.
Good vibes to you🥺
@@LightCollapseMy friend, if you have never read the bible, read it and learn who Jesus Christ is. Life will make more sense and everything will become easier to endure. That’s the best advice I could ever give you.
I m a hikikomori, I'm also schizoid, I'm very shy, used to be harassed at school, stopped socializing then became completely isolated from others, I've got myself a new hobby for painting, philosophy (spend a year listening to philosophy teachers on youtube, fascination for the existentialists), I also like hmm reading, japanese and russian literature
I have no friends, though I'm fine I'm doing good
I want to use the knowledge I've gained from listening to them to become a writer maybe, existentialism + painting + literature + classical music
Nothing wrong living alone and enjoying peace. It's the way of Buddha and Jesus.
We go through a lot of pain before choosing complete social isolation, I'm on the same boat as you and a few of us in this world, it's not yet considered normal by most people but only the strongest people can survive isolation
I've isolated myself completely for 5 years, i have now 2 weeks since i've gone out, moved to other city and trying to get back into society
Another schizoid here, I don't know how you feel about that but sometimes I feel very lucky to have this type of personality since it takes very little for me to be happy.
hey there. if i can be your friend, that would be awesome. dont need to have lots, but you'll see... it'd be good to have a person or 2, you can confide on
About time to have a proper documentary on this phenomenon that isn't just based in Japan. I lived it in the West and knew it wasn't just a Japanese phenomenon, they were just ahead of the curve. Over the years I've watched as many documentaries as I could find on this subject, and this is the best constructed. Can't applaud it enough.
Let us work towards better integrated societies with insight and compassion. Now is the time.
i think the reason is that the social pressures in school and work are way higher in japan. you can watch some documentaries on job applications in japan. it's cruel. i honestly couldn't do it. it just makes sense that there's way more hikikomori in japan, so they even made a word for that. of course all countries have people like that, but not in that extreme. also the fact japan has a word for overworking yourself to death "karoshi" and also places like the suicide forest (aokigahara) just adds to my point
@@no-xz1vw Indeed. The pain and stress of other people's judgment seems to be a primary factor. So in a more judgmental and demanding culture it makes sense that it will be more widespread.
It’s not anything new, it’s the overwhelming stress and anxiety to perform at a high level in our ever evolving society. The breakdown of the family unit in my opinion is only one of many many reasons young people are finding it extremely difficult to function independently.
Japan caused all this. I sadly don't feel pity for the recluses. If they don't want help, we can't force them.
It's a big dilemma.
@@Yayofangamer16Japan didn’t cause the global trend of Hikikomori. Late-stage capitalism did that.
Spot on, harder and harder to climb, the middle class is ever shrinking.@@kelc-1373
@@kelc-1373Exactament! Social media induced hypernormalisation will only create an unresolvable stumbling block in understanding some of the more nuanced & complex reasons centred around the Hikikomori phenomena. 20 C “pull yourself together” thinking belies a fear & frustration that will only widen the ever widening gulf of misunderstanding on this topic. Let’s be brave & face the challenge head-on, despite the terrible odds.
Not evolving, devolving.
Title really pisses me off. In their own prison? No, they're free to do whatever they want to. I'm a homebody, and it's MY CHOICE to stay home rather than go out there.
When I was 18, my dad said, you have 3 months to move out. I got a job, saved up enough for a rental bond and off I went. Now I'm 42. Life is hard, it sucks at times, but you have to keep busy and move forward otherwise you get stranded and stuck going around in circles.
Praying for ya+
from the american perspective its not hard to see why it happends here, go 50+k into debt for a degree, now go work living paycheck to paycheck for the next 40+ years until you die. Never own a house, never feel financially secure so if you get sick or hurt you will be ok. Not hard to see why some people just shut down. of course the parents dont want to throw them out because they end up homeless or worse but on the other hand what can you do?
My friend is throwing out her son.
Everything is free including home made meals? That's a good life. Poor places doesn't even have food to eat.
End the fed. Buy crypto like hex went up 10,000x in the first run up.
Move to Sweden.
US education system is a whack, you could graduate from ivy league school and still ended up doing minimum wage job.
@@aisnow5788you friend is smart and probably at her wits end with her son
I think i’m going through something like this currently.. i’m a 15 year old girl and I stopped going to public school at my 1st year of highschool. 6:47 talks about bullying, harassment and a ill parent. all 3 happened to me at the same time. along with people also making fun of my mother who was almost under 100 lbs at the time due to toxic mold sickness. (they falsely associated my mom losing a lot of weight with her being on drugs). I got bullied bad for it. And it kinda scares me from going back. i’m not particularly scared of the outdoors. Nor do i have severe social anxiety (even though I do struggle occasionally) but I get where a lot of these people are coming from. Just thought sharing my story could make others feel better idk..
Hi u should seek professional help, try going to a new school etc
Hope u get better
I dropped out of 10 th grade because of severe social anxiety, exclusion and agorophobia. I'm 30 now and can barely work at a gas station. Living in poverty going to the food bank.. Homelessness threats and such. Best advice is to get a psychiatric diagnosis now!! That way you can st least apply for disability if you end up where I am. I can't even take the trash out it's ridiculous. And when my mom took me to get a diagnosis at 16, I lied, panicked, and ran out of the room into the city. Now it's like a ten year wait list for a diagnosis and I feel doomed. Ask parents for counseling and equally as important, diagnosis in case. My mom always told me, "mental illness is worst in your late 20s. You have to deal with these things now" and she was absolutely right.
@@raaaaaaarr thank you 💟 and good luck
@@raaaaaaarrI had anxiety due to bullying. Let me tell you, parents do not live forever. It is not their job to take care of a 30,40 year old. You will need to take care of them before you know it. Face your fears and go outside! Go for a walk on your block. Then go to the market. Go to a pay bill in person(such as a utility bill). Don't expect your parents and your phone to do everything for you. Even if you are scared, so what? Someone thinks you are ugly or weird, so what? Sometimes you have to force change. The sunlight and vitamin D will be good for you. It is time to work full time and support yourself. Take a chance.
how are you doing?
I have a friend who went through this for 5 years with her son. She spent a small fortune on getting help. Eventually she decided she was enabling his behavior, paying for his phone, his internet, his food outside the door, washing his clothes and bedding, emptying his piss bottle. She stopped, after all, he was an adult and had the right to do what he wanted to. After a week of zero contact he came out. He now lives alone and appears yo be doing ok.
Good idea, necessity is the mother of invention. And if you have a comfy spot…easier to hide from life’s challenges and difficulties, but it’s a trap which only makes things worse with time.
It’s exactly like enabling a drug addict or alcoholic family member by giving them money.
My friend was turning into this and I told his mother to put the computer in the living room. He had a job by the next month
why brake them? what if he would go on the train tracks or a cliff?
@@mrmanio4935 His life
I dont blame hikkikomoris. The world is a living fucking corporate nightmare hellscape. There is no mystery to me, concerning their condition. Its annoying why people find it so mysterious. If you ask me, theyre people who are especially sensitive to the real level and ubiquity of darkness in the hearts of people.
I don't blame them for removing themselves from society but they should do something that helps people, nature and animals. Do something good in the world at least or go live as monk.
@@Lone_Star86 Why should you help the world? The world just is no need to help it. We will all die anyway so your help won't really matter at the end of the day.
For me is a huge symptom of depression. It’s so difficult to face things and do the normal daily things when we are depressed. And when we feel down we are more vulnerable and is not easy to defend ourselves in certain social situations. Gaming is not the problem, gaming is just a way of escaping.
And the psychologist wasn’t really helpful. Asking someone in that state what are his aspirations and goals doesn’t work because it only makes them feel more empty. She didn’t use a good approach in my opinion. It’s not easy though for all involved 😔 mental health issues are the worst type of disease. You are still alive but kind of wishing to be dead it’s a nightmare.
Truth
Well said; thank you :)
This is obviously depression and social anxiety. No need for a new name.
Although individuals experiencing this phenomenon might suffer from depression, it's not necessarily the lead cause.
I'm currently experiencing this, and I have come across many individuals like me. One major reason is not being where you should be given your age according to the normal standards.
Take, for example, someone in their 40s or even 50s. Individuals at this age should have a career, a partner, a family, and a house. What do you think happens when you are at this age and don't have any work experience or a college degree, a virgin, and still live with your parents.
Believe it or not, there are many individuals who fit the description I gave you. That's also why so many of them try to go through the exit door. They can't handle the pain of being in such a position in life.
There are also many young ones. I'm in my mid 20s and I'm already behind. Zero work experience and no college degree. I'm currently working on going back to college though.
We can not say that "life isn't a competition" or "take it slow" or any such platitudes. If you reach your 40s and especially 50s and you fit the description above, then your life is over. No number of platitudes or positive talk will fix your life at that point.
This then can lead to depression.
I think Society issues are a big problem. Sometimes it's too much and you feel like you need to limit it which I do. Sometimes these people tell you need to get out and do things it's difficult thing is that lot of things are a double edged sword scared that people know you and getting hurt again. Having things like Depression,ASD,Aspbergers,Bipolar and Anxiety you cannot deal with attachment.
These documentaires fascinate me because even though I’m not at a hikkikomori level of reclusion myself I understand where these guys are coming from. Our modern culture is so screwed up and atomized I’ve had weeks where I couldn’t leave my house but I somehow managed to stay in college and keep a job I give all the credit to my family for being extremely supportive because I probably would have ended up a drug addicted zero if it wasn’t for them. Don’t know why I’m writing this but it feels nice to get it out there. I really do feel compassion for these guys even if our society largely disdains or forgets them. The number is unfortunately growing and I hope we can make a change because it isn’t the young men who are broken it’s our society.
Can people stop trying to make this out to be a male issue. There are hikikomori women.
They’re parents are very understanding. I know my parents would yell at me like crazy
Mine would have kicked me out of the house. My parents never understood me. 🙁 I think I really don't have a family.
@@NachfahreeinerBauernmagd I'm sorry you never had a family, you deserved to have supportive loving parents. Know that despite this you aren't alone in the world.
@@Solitaire109 did you watch the doc? that young teen turned hikki because one of his parents were strict lmao
@@Solitaire109 alot of them ended up hikikomori because the parents are strict but without proper support and perents affection. Ohh god
This is a societal issue worldwide.
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This is not a medical condition to be treated with medication! Listen to the woman talking about "you dont have a son anymore" See? Our atitude is that we have, we have children, we have a job, we have money, we have a career, we have, we have, but we are nothing. We are nothing to this system but production factors population, voters, consumers, we are not us. From childhood on we are told to be productive, what does that mean, consume, work to consume. We instinctively want to be, but rarely can we. My generation, those who are now in their 50+ years, we put up with it. We took the abuse from our parents, from work, from family and society as general, we took drugs and drank to help ease the pain when it became too much. There are many, many out there who are sick of this system, sick of being played, sick of being blamed for things they never chose. Scociety is sick, stressed and empty and no medication can cure this. The young, who are still alive see this better then anyone, they withdraw in disgust. The older become angressive and cynical, lashing out and hurting where they can. Some become greedy, every one has their way to deal with this. Maybe we should be more understanding and search ourselves, maybe we should open our eyes to those sick games that are being played with us.
agreed. my mom definitely relates to this comment lol.
Agree!
A+ statement. Every word hits the mark!
These people just don't want to follow that template that society expects of them. After all it is that template that destroyed planet earth. Maybe they don't want to be sheep like all of us majority. Maybe the majority is wrong.
@@elita__Hi Elita, I feel the same way. I’ve been introverted, mainly because society has affected me and humanity. I’d rather be alone than hang out with fake people. 😐
I AM A HIKIKOMORI BECAUSE MY SOCIETY IS SO JUDGEMENTAL 😒😒😒 THEY DON'T ACCEPT U FOR WHO U ARE 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ THEY WANT TO DICTATE US 🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️🚶🏻♀️AND MY MIND IS AGAINST THE FLOW 🧠🧠 BUT I GO TO WORK ALMOST DAILY AND SHOP ONCE A YEAR ...
I LIKE MY COMFORT ZONE 🍵🧘🏻♀️☁️
Have you considered you go join a yoga ashram in India or become a Buddhist zen monk in Japan?
i used to be in similar situation until few months ago, im now getting an education but I'm unsure how long it'll last because since i started i've started to feel worse. more isolated and lonely. its hard to function in this hateful society as an autistic person. I wish i could lead a normal life, have a job and friends, I wish i didn't have this condition..
Big hugs, Remind urself when ever needed, that the world is filled with hateful people. BUT the problem is never you, or autism. I dont say this to diminish you individual struggles. I say this to point out the fact that hateful people in our society would exist no matter what. Im a firm believer that everyone should seek to find their tribe. Find the people who get you, treat you right and respect you and who bring you joy and support you...and remember that Its quality over quantity. Ive had so many friends before, i couldn't count them all at points in my life..and now i only have a couple. and im FAR happier now. I too isolate a lot. But finding a few good ones, can make it all worth it.
same i have a job but i feel even worse now i think for me its because i have agrophobia and nothing to do videogames and anime dont please me anymore and days fly like seconds
Same 😞
I was just like you when i was in school, i was always kind of worried/nervous everytime I go out of my house either go to school or just buy something in minimarket, I also have ADHD.
But those moment when I had nervousness that I always suffer and not controlled it, now sometimes make me regret not doing it the fullest. But the best thing you can do when those stupid memories flashing through your mind is just laugh at it. And remember your live journey is not bucket list or a kid who wanted to fulfill parent's dream or a person who wanted to life like normal person in the society/lived up to society standard so you don't get called as wierd person/failure/wierdo. But someone who wanted to get better than your old self.
While I'm sometimes feel that the day feel too heavy/unease, I sometimes coping with bicycling in mountainous area or road with alot of trees on both sides while listening to favorite song when I need to slow things down.
Or just ride motorbike (i live in SEA and motorbike is main transport here) and playing EDM music when i need to refresh my spirit.
But most important thing is always take daily note or when someting happen to track yourself and proof that you wanted to get better.
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
I only just came by this condition called Hikikomori.
I didnt realise that there's a name for what I have done since being a child. I relate a great deal to the feelings behind this isolation. The therapist with the long gey hair said that she had treated clients who would urinate in a receptacle rather than leave their room.
Its a shutting down, to move hurts, appears insurmountable.
You chip away at your world in order to make it smaller and there4 more manageable. It comes from a feeling of being lost, or from loss itself.
The man at near the end says.. if he were to be around ppl for too long, he would go crazy.. he needs to rest afterwards to digest the earlier interactions with people. Again that was/is me today and way back when I was a child.
I think this condition is triggered by some sort of trauma. Personally speaking I experienced this as a child and my escape was to invent these episodes of a story that I made up in my imagination, this allowed me to inhabit an imaginary alter life, and I would dip back into it when needed. Again this reminds me of the Hikikomori position. And to reduce your world and control it with whatever, usually the gaming, the internet is involved as it allows a person to communicate but from a distance/and sometime with a anon ID.
Basically I feel this stems from a powerful drive to avoid pain. The affected have realised that pain is other people, and there4 they have withdrawn their participation.
You said it perfectly. For me, people are the source of all the pain in this world. It is bliss not having to deal with people.
I've never fit in anywhere I've been my whole life and always seemed like a crazy person to most people. Then I tried to seem a little normal but it made me more unhappy trying to fit in. It's just not for me to be like most people. I also ended up living a lonely life for many years now, people are the only cause of pain truthfully, and I try to find peace in the sound of flowing waters and chirping and singing of birds and watching the clouds in the sky. If you ever feel comfortable talking to me, please know I'll really be there for you and anyone else who is going through isolation even if we're million miles away.
Omg lol... I pee in a cup so I don't have to see anybody sometimes. I didn't realize that was part of it
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
I totally understand. People are exhausting. Best thing that ever happened to me was working from home
Sigh, everyone is wrong. Being a hikikomori is not the problem. If you do it after becoming financial independent, no one would care. I made my fortune through real estate over the years, stocks with steady growth and dividends, and a little crypto luck, and then I decided to just become a hermit and watch TH-cam and play games at home. Grocery is delivered to me twice a week and I couldn't be happier with my life. No wife, no kids, no pets, no friends, and voluntarily separation from family do not bother me at all. No worries about social or welfare or religion visits cuz I own my own home and living off my passive income and fortune. So you see, as long as you become financially independent, then you will earn your freedom to be whatever you want, including being completely social isolated.
In my opinion that's bullshit.
Your family might suffer if they miss you. It's not that simple at all.
To be honest I'm not bad at making friends. I proved myself and others I can be extremely sociable and fun. Then I came to the conclusion that people are the ones who don't know how to handle me. You can't have independent mind and thoughts, they don't accept it. You can't be smart, they won't understand it. You can be humble but it is never enough. If you're lovely you will be consumed. So I'm better off behind doors. I'm not losing anything, put in your head is quite the opposite. Lost many years of my life after braking up with someone and with the world. Now when I need to face people I just do it, but then I have to endure a new disgusting feature; if you don't talk anymore to them to preserve yourself, you're "antisocial" to them.
It's difficult to pinpoint someone to blame, there are countless reasons that led him to do this. It's triggered depression.
Some of the reasons are social and family pressure for results, obeying standards that they themselves created, great technological evolution, everything being faster, society that has changed, new beliefs, new studies, new ways of living, the weakening of the human mentality with new social ideologies etc. The awareness point change from our parents' times to ours.
This looks like a case of "social phobia", I have it too, I know what he's feeling.
He probably also has panic attacks and generalized anxiety, which makes the desire to have a relationship even more difficult. And life loses meaning without a direction, like a why to get out of bed.
He needs family support, psychiatric support, a psychologist, finding a hobby and a goal/dream and take medication (such as escitalopram oxylate 20mg).
May things get better soon for us.
I lived like this from the years of early 2015 to mid 2017. I learnt a lot about a lot during this time alone. Painful but I learnt.
How is it suffering when it makes you feel good to be left alone? It’s society that’s the problem. This world is crazy.
Sure but people need to be social, we are social creatures. Do any of these people in the documentary seem happy to you?
@sito2601 People may need to be social, but some have a preference against it because of anxieties or that they don't have access to good people. Maybe the people around them try to eradicate their self esteem and worth so the only other option is to become a recluse
It varies from people to people. Some people genuinely prefers to be left alone and they should be entitled to live how they would prefer as adult as long as they're not causing harm to anybody. Others became recluse due to various factors and settled to the life style but secretly yearns things to turn out differently. It's a complex topic.
In 2020 after loosing my job i decided to become a hikikomori for over 3 years
who is supporting you?
@@Be1New2You3 nobody, can you help me please
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
Excellent documentation. Thanks!
It really annoys me the way the caretakers and families talk. The one person says they looked for the causes and couldn't find them. The causes are so obvious that that statement is almost offensive to me. And I'm sure the hikikomori tried to get her to understand but she didn't take it seriously.
The hikikomori guy that said he has had time to think and develope in his home alone. And now everyone thinks he's crazy...
I get it. We aren't crazy. It's not like we haven't tried to reach out and explain either. But no one really listens. Society is and people are crazy for not being able to see the problems and encouraging ignorance.
Being apart from society for a while really does let you think and question things in full. And you realize how messed up and almost useless things are.
Also think of those like me who don't have money or a support system like the ones shown in documentaries. We just have to die basically for not being willing to contribute to bullshit anymore, because society leaves no real alternatives and treats people with critical views horribly.
First case: nobody feel his pain, nobody reached his emotions. All the tone of the conversation is "hard"... she is not able to connect with the young lad in mental pain. People without emotions talking with a guy that numbed his feelings. Human beings need some warmth.
I’m what you call someone who’s ”outside of society” in Sweden, simply because making adaptations to suit neurodivergent people in workplaces ”cost too much” according to authorities. The only thing I want is to be off welfare and have a normal life, but here I am unemployed and approaching 40.
Hikikomori here for almost 7 years.
same
It's hard sometimes, stay strong fellow hiki. @@artcorbeau
@@artcorbeausame here I dropped out of university,it was too difficult for me
@@Beastclergyman Better to drop out. I finished my masters degree and society doesnt want me anyway.
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
The first thing I would ask the parents is this: explain why, with references only to him, that he can’t continue this forever. The only valid reasons are the practicalities. He needs to acquire food, he needs to poop, he needs water to drink, etc. He can provide them for himself or he can die. If people want no human contact, let them figure out how to acquire that themselves.
The tricky part in all this is deciding at what point “supporting” becomes “enabling.”
“The medical world seeks to understand this illness” perhaps its not them that are sick, but society
Mặc dù căn bệnh này xuất hiện đã từ rất lâu nhưng các bác sĩ trên toàn thế giới bất ngờ vì căn bệnh này ở thời hiện đại đáng sợ đến mức nào nó chẳng khác gì đại dịch
Sick society.
@@AB-tv2rm Yes
💯% agree
medical world seems kinda dumb for not understanding obvious thinga
Merci bien d’en parler, on se sent moins seuls face à ce problème et ses conséquences.
I have suffered from BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder) OCD, & Social Anxiety for the last 40yrs. So i can TOTALLY relate to what these men and women in Japan as Hikkomori's go through. In Japan if you don't fit into that "collective society" they live by your pretty much shunned. That is once you graduate college and don't get into the business world get a good paying job, climb the ladder, get married, and have kids in THAT ORDER your shunned. In America we live as an "individualistic society" where we think more about what's good for ourselves. In a collective society like many Asian nations live by. It's thinking and working as a group in every sense or aspect of one's life. If you deviate from that your frowned upon. This is where Hikkomori's typically develop shunned by family or society for not living up to a certain standard if you will. I love the Japanese culture and people but i DO NOT admire there collective societal pressures they place on people. It's to much for ANYONE to live up to in terms of standards. And so they have a major problem now with social recluses living off of there elderly parents money and under there roofs. Withdrawing from society due to these very pressures and a lack of society trust. In America we have more mental health awareness now they we ever had before. Japan is lacking in this area and only just starting to see the bigger problem or picture here if you will. A lot of these folks were NOT Hikkomori's before and it's societal pressures that forced them into that reclusive lifestyle. However, many do need deep psychological help and intervention through therapy and medication. Some are getting it MOST are unfortunately not. My hope is that Japan becomes more aware of this troubling problem. And makes the appropriate changes within there societal standards with less pressure put on children. In having to conform to a certain set of rules everyone must follow. Instead allowing kids to form there own opinions and most importantly path in life in terms of career and personal choices. And above all parents be comfortable and accepting of those differences. For me personally, being American i lost trust with society as i don't have many friends. And have difficulty making them or being in large crowds. I believe a lot of it is innate in other words i was born this way. And with American being an individualistic society people just don't care because they are to self absorbed within there own bubbles they live in. Granted i've gotten better through therapy and medication. But i still have a very difficult time trusting people and trying new things. Some of it is due to me being burned by past relationships or experiences. And this can lead anyone down a path of reclusivity. Particularly in a society that is very judgemental which i believe America is. Just because America is an "individualistic society" doesn't mean we don't judge or cast assumptions of others to hastily. Bottom line is both sides of the coin here be it Japan or the U.S. needs far more educating on these matters. They require patience and sensitivity most of all understanding. Individuals like those in this documentary or myself are just as disabled as someone physically. And we need to drop the stigma of; "If i can't see the problem, then they must be ok". That couldn't be further from the truth for MANY folks out there. So instead of pre-judging someone lend an ear or ask how that person is doing. You just very well may be saving a life in the process. Because that's all the individual needed was someone to listen and care.
Partly the japanese social weird culture is to blame.
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
We've had hermits for millennia. When it was tethered to a religious ideology it was seen as acceptable - often lauded. Now that there doesn't appear to be an ideological underpinning, it's becoming medicalised. Why not turn the whole thing round and ask the question, 'is the world really so wonderful that one must be mad not to want to be out in it?' In essence our species (or more its precursors) evolved to move around the East African Rift Valley in familial or extended familial groups, and the 'civilised' world is something of aberration in the 200,000 year history of Homo sapiens. The whole phenomenon of the Hikikomori was first observed in Japan and I don't think this is any accident. It's a wonder that anyone would feel comfortable surrounded by 35 million people in the Tokyo-Yokohama conurbation and it's a testimony to human adaptability that most just get on with it - though whether they are happy with it is another question. Perhaps we can learn from the Hikikomori and their experience - after all, as the density of population in our ever more pressured, stressed and unhappy world becomes greater, more and more of us are doubtless going to be just like them. Perhaps it's the arrogant and self-satisfied outside world that needs to change as much as the Hikikomori - who might not be as mad or as much of a social problem as we think they are?
Buddha's way is to be hermit, living secluded and practicing meditation.
In nearly every case, there is an enabler. Part of the solution is to help the enabler to dial back the support, step by case. Also in so many cases, video games
this is what happens when men are hated and abused.....if that weren't enough we are also stripped of our purpose and roles. It wont get better or fixed.....
I am bipolar and I get like this half the time. The other half I’m all over the place. It’s really hard to find or even know what the middle ground is. I think another difficulty is at times I think it’s the idea that I have to be out and about that causes more stress than actually being out and about. I don’t think it’s a totally bad thing to isolate oneself.. especially since the world doesn’t line up with our ideals. Of course we have to interact with people.. for food.. work.. etc. but if a person doesn’t have to… and can live comfortably isolated and are content with that.. I think that’s perfectly fine and good… not saying we are all da Vinci… but there are benefits that comes with isolation. The danger comes if it is used as an escape. But.. if you don’t like people.. you don’t like people… not everyone out there share your world view or atttitude towards life.
38:20 "fragile adults" its not a word to describe people under this situations more when anyone could end up on this "fragile" state in any moment, watch out the vocabulary employed because at the end make it sound like most of the rest of population who have misconceptions about it without much knowledge and its worst when its comes from a documentary trying to raise awareness of the topic.
There will be more cases. Its a serious social issue.
especially young men. Western society is too punishing for men, and not everyone has the ability to overcome this
It took me like 3 minutes to try and figure out why I was understanding some of these Japanese words. LMAO
I am German Hikikomori We insultingly call it incel.
So you can't just talk about it 🤷 we're equal to assassins or rapists...
Personally, the state actually scares me. I was often too easy a victim and if I tried to defend myself, for example with violence, I was punished for it. Cheating is allowed in our society. Anyone who gets cheated is just stupid. At the same time, you are not allowed to protect yourself and defend yourself...So what's left? Hide.
Same experience from Canada, The State and everything going on in the world feels like a joke, a complete fabrication.
Nothing is bad about being a hikikomori. I was a hikikomori at 17 because I started loving my own company and people are just depressing to be around sometimes. Being a recluse I’ll admit I was depressed because I feel like I had no friends and the word hated me but I just feel like everything happened for my own good. Being by myself I was able to discover talents that I never knew I had and probably would’ve never explored if I had took the normal route. I can draw cartoon characters spit images etc etc I explored rock music, I leaned about past fashion trends etc etc that i could reinvent. I think being alone is not only peaceful but also a blessing most people just view it as something bad because everyone is programmed and afraid to die alone, it’s pathetic
As one myself since i was a little kid i can say this. For me personally there was always too much overstimulations (school as a start) and i felt basically tortured.There's too much expectations, i could not focus because of those overstimulations. Highly sensitive also.
That was sad how it didn't occur to her to go and see why her 58 year father could not get delivery of the cell phone, and/or visit him, just in general. But that also happens in the US as well, people don't want to be bothered anymore.
Watching this video, you'll know the importantance of inner strength.
I'm not going to say I'm afraid but more about losing interest in society.... In my case because I can still go out and work... Work going home is my routine...
I'm an American female hikikomori so for me
It's a choice, but mostly a societal problem. I really can't stand society and I gave up on it years ago. I'm very content being in my solitary life. Just because you don't agree with it, you shouldn't force someone to not be a hikikomori…
If you are self sufficient financially it is fine, but if you are placing a burden on other people it is not. I'd love to have a life where I didn't have to worry about the bills, but that isn't how the world works.
It's fine to be a hikikomori as long as you're not leeching off of your parents or the welfare.
Crazy how bullying can make or break a person,does genetics have a play on these things
Feels like less genetics and more personality. Some people can’t take the heat, but that’s survival of the fittest. The truth is, not everyone is suitable for the modern world.
The thing is the problem they are facing like lack of communication, feeling of isolation, loneliness and depression is things I’m facing without even isolating myself in my room. The only thing that’s stopping me joining their rank is my fear of becoming burden to my parents. Like when I try to talk to someone they will just dismiss it or tell me that’s a teenage phase and everyone go through that? Is it really normal? Since I’m not facing any major problems and don’t have traumatic childhood, am I the problem? Is it just me being week and pathetic? Sorry for whining
Hikkikomori is a destructive condition that affect not just the person but yhe family members. Victim cannot comorehend how to save themselves but at the same time living off parents , causing more burden without contribution. They felt remorse and guilt but parents suffered along with them.
Exactly. It is as selfish as drug addiction, hoarding, gambling, etc. The family members are used and abused. Then the person with the condition plays the victim when confronted. These people should be ashamed of themselves. Parents shouldn't be bringing them food and letting them stay in the shed or wherever. They need to stop and think what would happen if parents got sick or died.
One of the reasons why most people have kids is that so someone will take care of them when they get older, which is incredibly selfish. Getting born without your consent then being forced to live and follow the rules of this capitalist hellhole
@@Rockerladyyour comments can make other suciede
@@Rockerlady Ignorance is bliss 🙄
That poor guy is depressed and hiding away from people...And you barge into his room, put him in front of a camera, taking footage of his worst state showing to the whole world...And you want him to trust you and talk to you...? What kinda bloody expert are you...? WTF....
the solution is try to step into their world... do the things that they like together, build up conversation on their interest such as gaming and compliment them for their interest..slowly branches out conversation for other things in life....giving them hints to get back into society working again or exercise
I sort of agree with this. Most of the time, people need at least just 1 person to accept and love us. And it applies to all kinds of people.
But there's no perfect formula, especially in extreme cases like this. How much/long do you support financially? How much should you push for change? What is too harsh or too lenient?
Regardless, may we all be a true friend/family to the people around us. ❤
@@mariabowers9604 Ignorance speaking?
I live(d) it and it does not work that way.
was okind with ex till there wasnt any ways whatever and she goner pullin back evenmores
Precious documentary! Only by unveiling the tumors can humanity stand of chance of healign them, this is valid for all of our planet's societies.
I think they're extremely shy and sensitive.
36 here i became a hermit when i was 27 i live in the netherlands
That’s a weird age to start
u need to understand u can not start this, it happends to u @@eternally6659
@@eternally6659not really... there's many reasons that can trigger this kind of response to life... marriage breakdown...death of a loved one... depression or anxiety...etc etc
@@suzieque9934 Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
I wonder how many cases are linked to autism and mental illhealth.
I'm 50% like this, I'm willing to leave the house to work, but the rest of the time I lock myself away in a room. I am able to work because it's with a few people and I know them all for over 20 years( because i've had the same job the whole time). Living this way without a source of income would be horrible. In fact when work is slow, you can feel it set in more every day that you stay isolated. I also maintain 3 friendships, but they usually need to come visit me, I don't like leaving my "area". I try to not slip into full isolation as best I can.
Same. A job is a must but on free time i need time for myself what helps me is going in the nature or excercising in the gym or outdoor at least 2 times a week. Usually i play some videogames, listen to music watching stuff on youtube and thats it sometimes i go camping, meditate, work in the garden or swimming on a remote river and thats it. I try to avoid crowded places maybe its a mix of anxiety and personal preference 😂 but giving up is no option. I never want to go back to full isolation.
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
sadly this is not just Japan...
Also? Because this topic is a matter of personal privacy.
Most strangers (people in society) won't care about them. Especially on the Internet.Stop listening to society as peoples.
Those without ‘Hikikomori’ experience. Everything else people saying 'it' can be called a jokes
Exactly. I can literally choose to ignore ur comment, as for an example, no matter what the context is.
Sometimes i think there should be some strings that guide us to our people, even if that people if only one person and doesn't have to be a romantic partner, but they surely acknowledge us. Guidance. We need guidance.
Whats the difference to severe depression and social anxiety? Just a new name for a mental disease, the symptoms are exactly the same.
In my mums circle of friends and family we have three young men who stay in their rooms refuse to bathe, shave, say hello and on computer all day but luckily they are supported by family and siblings so they will never change or get help also its kept hush
the background music is too loud, annoying
I wonder if people of old had this problem a lot. Probably there were cases, but how prevalent? Back then, if people wanted new clothes, they had to go and buy them from someone else. If they wanted to eat, they had to garden/farm/care for animals. And parents were probably more strict. Just making guesses here.
Another thing i wonder about is, could this trend have been worsened by how easy it has become to isolate? How many would choose to stay in a room all the time w/o TV, radio, internet?
It's a mystery without a straightforward answer, at least to me.
if Some parents's Still not aware of this problem? They should take it seriously and they are only 20 years old.
Blame them. Nothing good will happen. ‘Hikikomori’. It is phenomenon. is not a social problem.
Can't treat them like criminals.. ... ...Good luck. i have nothing to done for it.
To the people saying "they are like this because they are babied/sheltered". Go take a walk through any of england's cities centre at 4am. You will see what the lack of empathy/support does to young adults perfectly
35 and live at my parent's house. Have my own money, and I have just accepted it
Japan is always 10-15 years ahead of the west...what happends there will eventually also hit us.....
"the day in which i realised the objective of life wasnt to be happy-was the happiest day of my life" the author i dont remember now, mother says "we just want him to be happy", isnt a healthy thing, noone can be always happy
Minute 14:20.. It's speak my language.. That's what i think too this past 3-5 years.. I also think the only way i could move forward is in my own bubble, discovering my own creativity and improving my talent in drawing and learning languages.... after i think i'm not good in business, building career, making friends and having a life-partner... But i still go outside sometimes.. But still feeling that most of the time
6 years hikki here, lifes good
Pampared for so many by parents and suddenly so stressful by achievement, expectation, work, marriage, and babies. This modus operandi is not working.
France’s mental health support actually seems pretty good compared to what we have in first world English speaking countries…
The world and its troubles have become to overwhelming for them so they remove themselves from the world.
Its harmful to be anonymous. I think they should have some sort of help. Have a social media account like instagram. Do some photographys. It may help who knows. I wish I could help a hikikomori. But im so far away from Japan. Love you Japan. Dont worry ❤❤
I heard about it in the anime Welcome to the NHK!
What if you can’t leave your apartment bc ppl keep entering your home illegally when you’re outside
I don't blame the hikikomori, and I can see why they have given up.
I have simphaty for these reclusive man. I have trauma during teenage age that change my character into opposite. Before that, I used to be very productive, cheerfull and always have high energy. Now, i am almost a recluse on daily basis. Everyday is always low energy. A trauma or something like that indeed can change person's personality.
I wasfalling into agoraphobia for a period of my life. It was so hard to get myself out.
I had problems meeting new people etc and then i started going to football matches as a part of the ultras, atleast i feel like i belong somewhere and some of the people started respecting me and greeting me because i always travel.
Türk müsün lan ?
We are human beings. Some are introverts, others are extroverts. We are pack animals. Research has shown that the lack of social contacts makes us mentally ill. Some people are prisoners of their own depressions. They are truly lost there way and urgently need help.
Japanese documentary?
DEPRESIÓN!!!! Open your eyes!!!!.
My destiny
Without a meaningful purpose or vision for the future what's the point of life? Society has 'progresssed' to the point where nothing matters. Its all superficial. Wake, work, eat, sleep, wake, work, eat, sleep...
When I was young I was full of enthusiasm, I wanted to change the world, make it better, do something. But life is full of gate keepers, I became frustrated, I studied, started to work and wanted to make the world a little bit better, do something, change something, but the working world is full of incompetent idiots and unmotivated workers who hate what they do. Now I dont give a fuck, let the world burn, nothing has a meaning anyway, no one really cares, I became disconnected, cynical and distant, then I realized how far it all had come, now I understand why some people just stepp out, I totaly understand it. Not everyone has the strengh and luck, the persevirence and for what, what did I have from my life? Wake, work, eat, sleep, wake, work, eat, sleep, is that all?
Cut the wi-fi, the vaper and the free rent and one will isolate the ones who really need help.
that french lady made him feel heard, I couldn't handle a case like this with my temperament ( good thing i'm not a shrink), but I'd try making him understand that he is loved and he is a valued member of society.
The parents are definitely his probablem because seems he is willing to open up with someone who is willing to listen and apparently cares.
Étant hikikomori beaucoup de jugement. Ma mère ne comprenait pas mon anxiété sociale ma dépression et mes crises d’angoisse. C’est extrêmement compliqué et chaque personne a ses raisons harcèlement scolaire anxiété ect… l’avantage au Japon ils existent des organisations qui peuvent aider mais en France aillant vu des docteurs c’est direct prenez des médicaments 💊 forcer vous même si je force je vais pas commencer à aimer comme ça c’est très complexe . Ce n’est pas de la mauvaise volonté de notre part, le fait de rester reclus est aussi une bulle qui nous protège d’une société qui nous comprend pas.
En revanche je te comprends! courage Claudia, je suis dans le même bateau
Jesus wIll set you free from that , you dont have to be alone , There are lots of Christians in isolation too but never alone , Also I'd totally understand the earlier artist period would immerse themselves in painting . Introverts are generally hypersensitive so they absorb everything and it hard for them but its also a gift because you can sense not genuine people from afar . yA'LL should read the book of Malcom Gladwell David and Goliath: Underdogs, Misfits, and the Art of Battling Giants
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave His one and only Son, Jesus so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.
This "hikkikimori" is extreme depression. It's caused by societal pressures on humans who just want a simple life. Many in the past became Buddhist monks or spiritual leaders. Eckhart Tolle read something that Buddha spoke he says humans have 2 types of energy, some who are completely unconscious try to fill this whole by working 24/7 and fill the hole inside them with material possessions in Maya. On the other hand some humans are "monk like' who are more in tune with the spiritual side than the working side which is why they don't conform to society of people wanting only 💰💰💰 money. My advice would be for the Hikkikomori to go live in an ashram or Buddhist monastery to learn meditation and simple living like a monk rather than live alone, or get a pet to look after. Fill the day with routine.
It should be compulsory to get oneself diagnosed for various issues like dpd, adhd, etc.
Sheesh. My parents are good people, but there’s no freakin way they’d let me lock myself in my room, and refuse to work because of “anxiety”. Even though I’d love to some days. Some of us aren’t privileged enough to afford staying with mum and dad.
and some of us wish we were normal functioning human beings in society. but sometimes life doesn't fuckin work out like that.
There are full time working people, even with their own kids living with parents.
I've been almost 2 years like this after losing my job abroad and falling deep into depression. Coming back to my shithole country with low wages and an autoimmune disease didn't help.
Actually i didn't want to stay locked in my room at my parents and wanted to off myself. Actually when i left i had people coming after me. The other option was being locked in a mental ward in case i tried to off myself. If i were put out i had the options of going to a shelter or off myself. I would off myself.
@@redleeks6253 sounds like you had it rough around that time, sorry to hear that. Hope you’re doing a bit better these days.
This is a permanently life altering experience and your answer is that. This is often a curse bestowed upon unlucky individuals who have to deal with trauma, abuse, PTSD, mental illness, etc... And your answer is that. You don't see their pain so you take it lightly, but experiencing that and suddendly waking up or realizing that you waste years, sometimes decades, that life passed you, that everyone is gone, that you're an old person with the mind of a kid, and that it all happened so quickly with no turning is easily the most painful experience someone could possibly experience. On top of years of severe depression that led them to this, they have to face all that regret if they ever want to change and make it. And your answer is that. This is not a fun experience. They're not having the time of their sitting alone in their room wasting away on cheap internet distractions. It's a way to cope with immense pain other people can't see or don't have to deal with. The suicide rates among hikikomoris is insanely high compared to the general population, but you see someone playing video game or coping with art and immediatly assume their life is all fun and rainbow because they don't have to work or be independant.
i hope everyone that needs it are getting help i am of the mind i never want to quit being a recluse i cant wait till i never have to come out but that cant happen because i medical problems i just want to be alone and i like it
Leave him alone.
I am not a hikikomori .... yet.
But do aspire to be one.
I am 70 and in financially secured retirement. I have a wife and two adult daughters.
But over the past few years, I am finding it more and more tiresome to have to interact with the so call "normal" world and people around me.
I desperately wish to just "drop" out and be a hikikomori, which is what would make me happy. 😀
This modern lifestyle of study hard and work hard and then retire is simply opposite of how humans evolved in nature. Humans lived 99% of our existence as hunter and gatherers. To put it simply humans evovled in tribes surrounded by people having very close relationship living in nature and suddenly you throw this animal into a cubicle and force him to study and work 24/7. Guess what that animal will lose his mind and eventually either self deletes or spirals into crippling depression or isolation. Same happens to animals in captivity. Humanity is not ready for this discussion. But we will be forced to at some point because birth rates are dropping all around the world at alarming rate which will eventually lead to the end of modern civilization and return to more primitive way of living where hikikomori simply won't exist because there is no reason for them to do.
‘Hikikomori’. It is a very common phenomenon in Japanese society Aka Somewhat similar to Drugged Breakfast.
Although I'm not Japanese, I have also escaped for more 15years.
Some people's have symptoms of drug addiction themselves of act ect?..without realizing it. This is very common.