Installing the LSI SAS controller in a Desktop Part 1
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Walk-through installation of a server-based SAS RAID controller on a desktop computer. I'm using SATA drives but you can also use SAS. Be sure to consider how to cool your SAS controller and SAS drives as they need much more airflow than SATA drives.
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Really good point about needing cooling when using rack server parts in a desktop case. Nice video.
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wow, glad I saw your video. I was having lots of problems with my LSI 3ware 9750-16i4e. The second channel on all the ports regularly kept indicating device error and taking forever to verify and rebuild. I put a cooler on it, and seems to have resolved the issue. thanks for the help.
lots of good tips and why they are good tips ,good video deserving of more views,i subscribed
Very good video. Wish that I'd seen it 5 or 6 years ago, because I'm adding a SAS card into an older motherboard. Thanks for your good work.
My best to you!
@@TechsavvyProductions is it possible to boot into a sas drive inserted to the LSI SAS controller?
Thanks very helpful.
Great point on the fan!!!
Nice explanation
Very useful. Many thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Learned a lot.
Thanks for watching!
Good video, but you mean more like 100 degrees Celsius (or 200+ degrees Fahrenheit). I have worked with RAID cards extensively since their first existence in the market, and I have an Adaptec 6gb/s card where the PCB actually melted because I was unaware of how hot it would get and had inadequate cooling (plus their OEM heatsink was vastly inadequate).
Thx for info. Didn't know that some higher air flow could have been required. I'll have to give it a look. Need to install an HP H220 card into a Dell Optiplex 990 MT hope it will work fine..
Anything designed for servers that are not passively cooled take advantage of the rate of air flow typical in a server. There are no fan power jacks in most servers I have worked with. Never run a server with the case cover open, that air flow will be disrupted and devices will begin to overheat quickly.
Good video but few issues.
First, that fan is a puller, not a pusher. You're pulling air through the fan and exhausting out back. No big deal but an important distinction.
Next, you're ignoring the units. F VS C. The spec sheet for most LSI SAS controllers says up to 130-150F ambient (depending on the model) and 90C on the chip. 90c is 194F.
Issue 3. Many of these controllers are now 8-10 years.. The paste on them is also 8-10 years old obviously. Paste that old is hard and useless. New thermal compound is a must when you get one of these.
Comments appreciated! Thanks for watching!
He achieved his goal to keep the HBA within the manufacturers recommended operating temperature . Everyone is an expert. Nice video , we appreciate the time you spent producing it
I bought a SAS to eSATA + power conversion and connected it to the laptop but it did not appear on the computer and I want to use it as a storage unit only and not to read the RAID ??
What is the exact model of that LSI SAS Controller? Does it bring the SAS Power/Data Cable?
does the sata cables comes with the card inside the box?
great
Thanks for watching
First off. 120F is 49C and quite cool for computer chips. Secondly, your blower appears to draw air over the card and evacuate it out the back of the chassis, which is fine. Also, you can't measure aluminum with an IR thermometer since aluminum does not radiate IR efficiently. Paint it black.
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What kind of fan card are you using?
IBM use it too. Called it m5015
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So is any SAS controller compatible with any mainstream desktop motherboard?
yes
I have a Rosewill Thor V2 with a big side panel fan. Do you think that will be good enough or should I strap a small case fan directly to the heatsink?
If you have air flowing across the heatsink that should be fine.
@@TechsavvyProductions is it possible to bot into a sas drive thats connected thru the sas pcie card?
I need some help - what kind of cables do I need, will simple sas cable like this work "SAS Serial Attached SCSI SFF-8482 to SATA HDD Hard Drive Adapter Cord Cable F" for 3,5 inch hard drive? do I simply need 2 drives both with cables like these connected to the controller and set up as raid 0 in the bios to work properly in a desktop?
the HDD is -
Seagate 4TB Exos 7.2K 12G SAS HDD 3.5" 7E8 V5 Enterprise ST4000NM0025
the Controller is -
HP 689576-001 LSI 9212-4i SAS 6Gb/s
The controller has four x1 SATA internal connectors, so the "SAS Serial Attached SCSI SFF-8482 to SATA HDD Hard Drive Adapter Cord Cable F should work for each SAS drive. This site had the best info on your controller www.scsi4me.com/hp-lsi-sas-9212-4ipci-express-6gb-s-sas-pcie-2-0x8-host-bus-adapter.html
Hi, I have just done something very similar to this. The LSI MEGARAID 9260-8I card is cooled by fitting it just above the PSU utilising the PSU fan to remove the heat. Works very well.
The problem I have is the speed of start-up for my machine, this would not be a problem for a sever as they are mostly left running but for a desktop that's powered on and off throughout the day, well it's annoying.
I have read that I could disable the raid cards bios to make a faster boot. these are just SAS dives for storage and not bootable so I have read this should be an option. The problem I am having is finding software compatible with windows 10 that will give me the option to disable the raid cards bios?
Do you know of an solution please? Thank you, John
John, both UEFI and the older BIOS on your motherboard are designed to see "other" ROMs and yield to each adapter ROM so they can initialize the card and you have access to the firmware. I am not aware that you can disable it. That why servers boot soooooo slowly as the each ROM "firmware" for SCSI, RAID, Ethernet controllers, etc... all have their time to initialize during the boot cycle.
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@@TechsavvyProductions Thank for the reply. I'm new to this so maybe it's not disabling the bios but more like disabling the raid features on the bios? This would make the card into a basic Host Bus Adapter. I think that is maybe closer to what I have read is possible? This apparently stops the lengthy initialization process, all I need is the SAS drives to show up in windows and the raid options are something that's not needed. Anyhow the software to allow me to do this will not seem to work under windows 10. I'm thinking maybe load an old pc up with a compatible operating system (I think win 8 was the last supported) and try and access the bios that way? Like I say this is all new to me and I'm sure my naivety shows, thanks again for your reply.
i just bought a SAS hard drive, not knowing it was SAS. Do i need this controller? what other connectors would i need to have this work in my desktop?
You do need a SAS controller, Amazon has a good selection, keep in mind cooling for both the controller and the hard drive. SAS HDs run typically at 10K to 15K rpm and run hot. The controller manual will give you cable and connectors you need.
Can the ASHATA SAS Controller Card,Eight-Port 6Gbs 512M RAID Main Control Disk RAID Contreller, Powerful Stable RAID Controller also fit into a desktop?
They will fit, be careful concerning cooling. Look at the temperature specs on the main chip on the controller and make sure you keep the adapter's temperature within specs.
I got Dell PERC H700 RAID drivers everything did install but does not find drives , Trying to install 4TB Seagate drives. Do i need IT mode on a desktop computer? Cables are DIY Mini SAS 36P SFF-8087 to 4 SFF-8482. using windows 10 enterprise are does it have to be Server i have windows server 2008 r2.
Dell PERC H700 RAID controller is a enterprise controller and should see SAS and SATA drives. Some controllers have Server drivers only and may not work on client OSes.
What are the requirements for the hard drives. Is there a maximum capacity, say 2TB?, Should the drive be formated, will it accept GPT or is that a function of the computerr? Etc I would consider this part of installation. As for cooling, the silicon chips themselves will usualy operate at 100 degC junctions, so it's a question of the thermal resistance from the junctions thru the heat sink to the cooling air. If the mfg specifies 100 degF for the heat sink then that prolly includes some margin but it's not wise to assume that it is a lot. w3
The fan faces the wrong way to blow on the card. You may get minor benefit from the suck.
Thanks for the feedback, and for watching!
why you buy expensive sata + sas controler to sata hdd ? :D
Martin, great question! This was a lab to allow students to install and configure a RAID controller, build a array and break it and recover so the type HDD was not critical in this lab. Thanks for watching!
@@TechsavvyProductions thanks for answer. I own 4 sas drives from server. so i wonder how to use them.
Can ANYONE link me to that fan or give me some type of name so I can find one online?????
www.amazon.com/Vantec-SP-FC70-BL-Spectrum-System-Adjustable/dp/B000233ZMU
@@TechsavvyProductions I bought 2 server raid cards. HP Smart Array P822 / 2GB FBWC 6GB SAS RAID Controller. One was used one was new. The used one literally was on the verge of starting my workstation on fire. My cpu, raid card, and video card were melting hot. The raid card also locked my computer and I had to disconnect the power and plug it in to start it again. This episode nearly corrupted my hard drive and it took an hour for windows to repair itself. The boot times with these cards is oppressively slow. The brand new raid card did not melt my computer like the defective used one but the card still runs hot. I remembered watching your videos and you using a pci fan. I watched other videos where people put 40mm fans on the fins of the heat sink. Do you recommend a 1 fan, 2, or 3 on a pci card for cooling critically hot raid cards? Also what do you think about putting a 40mm fan on the raid cards? Do you have any suggestions for increasing the air flow in a workstation or pc? Do you have recommendations for the rpm speeds of cooling fans?
My pc goes straight into the login windows instead of the LSI screen, any tips?
Turn off Windows' "fast boot, also go into BIOS and check to see where in your firmware settings you can enable/disable "suppress boot display" and disable that feature. Some BIOS refer to these settings as "fast boot/slow boot". It allows you to see POST and and slows the booting of the PC but you will see the controller firmware option.
@@TechsavvyProductions just turning off the fast boot allows me to see the LSI firmware option? Ok thank you ill try it out
Look for those BIOS options
@@TechsavvyProductions hi, thank you for replying; if its okay id like to ask one more question. I bought a LSI 9003-8i which is a SAS/SATA controller if im not mistaken, when I plug in my SATA HDD, it works like plug and play. But when i plug my SAS SSD on it (with an adapter) its not reading the sas drive. any tips?
Make sure the cable are correct Internal Mini SAS SFF-8643 to (4) 29pin SFF-8482 connectors with SAS 15pin Power Port
no, most SAS drive are not 2.5"
Due to reducing power demands and heat required by servers most SAS drives have moved to the 2.5'' form factor, even at the cost of capacity.
100 f you dont mean C?
I think you were right, I made a mistake in my temp types!
@@TechsavvyProductions Aw man it's fine. i stop talking about after i say degrees i let them decide whats right lol
You do realize 120 degrees F isnt hot right? That's the temperature of kids hot chocolate at Starbucks. You can set your hand on the backplate of a video card at 120F and it just feels warm. I'd be very surprised if a raid controller from LSI couldnt tolerate being "warm."
Scott, great point in the video I do have a fan running on the heat sink so the temp is limited to a lower temp, we discovered that running the controller without a fan the card's heat-sink chip overheated quickly. Within ten minutes you can not touch the circuit board opposite the heat sink with your finger. These boards require a certain airflow cu ft/min rate to maintain proper cooling and specify a certain environmental temperature range. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
It is 2024 this controller is now about $20 on ebay LoL
We shot this video many years ago!