Bait Additives Too Expensive? Lets Test Some Cheap Supermarket Alternatives
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- I have a project in mind which will require some liquid bait additives, but when I checked the prices of manufactured products, I nearly fell over. I thought, there must be some cheaper alternatives out there, so I went down to my local supermarket to see what was available off the shelf.
In this episode, I am testing some of the products I bought to see if they will do the same job as those expensive products in the tackle shops.
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This DIY , thinking and experimenting style of fishing is what I loved about the old, "fishermans handbooks" available in the 70's. Nobody in my family fished so they were my teachers and I spent hours experimenting when I couldn't be at the lake. Love this channel
Thanks mate. Much appreciated.😁😁
Nice one Den, yes its toooo expensive, alternatives are what im looking for, will give these a try, thanks for the video
Great video Den, glad to see you are back in the swing of things.👍
Thanks John.😁😁
My first reaction is that a fish could be afraid of a colored or tasty cloud in the water.
Or even smelly bait of groundbait.
Fish use water to breath and get the oxigen from.
I only use a little bit of molasses solved in handwarm water to wet the groundbait.
Far more important is how you use your groundbait, keep them feeding with very little
amounds but all the time when needed. Presentation of your bait is also a keyfactor !
Glad you've returned. I've often thought that Robin Red products smell of Worcestershire Sauce. I've reverted to good old aniseed cake flavouring.
Thanks Peter. Worcestershire Sauce is definitely worth a try mate.
Good to see you back Den!
Thanks mate.😁😁👍👍
Glad to see your back
I didn't see his back.😂 j/k mate.🤣
Been a great fan of Molasses for many years. Also Peanut butter good to smear on feeder or bait.
i use salted caramel topping used for coffee or cakes. It works amazing with pellets or just on top of the method feeder. It made the difference many times. Cheers
Thanks mate.
Good video mate .ive fished and caught carp and other species since 1980 and goos etc are not needed to catch its that simple ! Luncheon meat sweetcorn and bread (and boilies)were very successfully used then NO goos were ever used then,a boile fished over a bed of particle (corn nuts hemp)was a devastating method especially for the bogger fish.but carp have a very srtong sense of smell and find tiny food items no problem without goo lol ,goos glugs do have an attractive nature and aroma but their design is to make the angler buy the product its that simple and it seems to reel in lol most anglers these days who obviously dont know any different or imo have no confidence in their own fishing.
Back to the old days Den.most enjoyable mate.😁😁😁
Thanks Clive.😁😁👍👍
I use a pack bait made from old fashioned oats and corn syrup, mixed thoroughly and left overnight. It holds together nicely ( you can even just ball it around your hook bait, especially boilies) and it is effective. Also in Canada and the pineapple flavoured boilies seem to catch the most fish. Small bottles of pineapple flavour concentrate is availkable in Asian supermarkets
I get my molasses from the horse/farming supply warehouses, 5 litres for £8.99. Works for me although never thought to colour it I think smell is the most important characteristic for baits.
I do the same and u can make a haze goo with it with glycerine and corn flour
@@magpies77what kind of proportions are you using of the three elements?
I always add molasses to my water that i use for my groundbait so its already in there, same with micro pellets. Asian shrimp paste and other fish type sauces are excellent added to molasses to make a fishy glug.
Hi Den glad too see you looking well
Hi mate. Thanks very much.
Good video Den ,I live in Canada ,just had a great trip ,one of the most effective I found on the hook bait was corn steep liquor ,it was a couple of years old and I believe it would have similar taste to marmite ,yeast extract , most of the carp here seem to prefer corn or a pineapple flavour but I tried a pineapple syrup from a tackle company and it wasn’t as close to being effective.
Thanks mate. That's an interesting point about the pineapple.
korda goo it very good as you only need a drop on the hook bait of a blob on your method feeder.It's not for really mixing in ground baits.
You have the right idea using some syrup to increase the density and stickiness. While I wouldn't eat it myself, a blend of 2 parts syrup with 1 part marmite/vegemite, or soya sauce, shrimp paste, MSG (found in Asian shops), yeast flakes. Fish are strongly attracted to umami flavours which all the later ingredients have. MSG is an amino acid, and is pure umami flavour, and I've used it for decades. It's a powder and probably around 10% will dissolve in syrups, so the ratio should be 10 parts syrup to 1 part MSG.
I use the cheap confectionary flavouring from ASDA, strawberry, vanilla, caramel to name afew, in groundbait and hook bait.
Den great video mate I recently had a conversation with someone on Facebook about glugs or what ever you want to call them they said you can't copy them your vid proved me right im with you mate
Thanks Dave. As with a lot of things in fishing, if they make it, and make it expensive, it will catch a lot more anglers than fish.😁😁
WON'T CATCH ME OUT MATE I'M TO TIGHT😊
@@davetomlin8692 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Keep vids coming mate hope you're heath OK all the best
@@davetomlin8692 I'm all good now Dave. Thanks mate.👍👍
Great vid, Den. Molasses has been a staple additive for years and I use it in most of my mixes. Great for roach, bream and carp. Pineapple juice is another great additive by the way. Nice to see you back, Den. 👍😁🏴
Thanks John. I did try to use some in a test groundbait mix, but it was very sticky. I probably used too much of it.
I use all sorts of glug den, but only put a tiny smear on the method
@@richardtuxford1812 I really must sneak up behind you at the next match mate. I can steal your secrets!😎😎
@@FishingwithDen 😅 given the steep banks on our local I fear your may struggle with the discrete approach
@@richardtuxford1812 You'll just have to take pity on an old codger then Richard🧓🧓😎😎
A lot of additives are to catch the fishermen and not the fish.
Definitely correct there mate.
Give us some examples?
@@russelljones1718
I can give you one. Groundbait itself. At one time, all groundbait was, was just breadcrumb, either brown or white. Then came all the colours, flavours and "continental" mixes hit the shelves that smelled like they belonged in a cake tin, not to mention the vastly increased price tag, lol.😉
I grew up in Australia and started fishing there. 30 pound hand lines with hooks the size of your thumb and a big weight to hold bottom. Usually fishing shrimp for yellowbelly,( golden perch) and worms at night for catfish. I'd never heard of groundbait and it wasn't used by anyone.
Then I moved to England at 17 where I first saw waggler fishing with fine lines, small hooks etc....and breadcrumb groundbait. And so I started to use it.
After fishing for nearly 40 years I don't anymore and haven't for quite some time.
And I catch just as many fish without it as I ever did using it.
Groundbait can kill a swim dead, particularly if you want to catch multiple species from it. One may like it, where the other species don't!
All I do now, is a full pouch of maggots on arrival, then take my time tackling up.
After selecting my float etc....I plumb the depth, stick a maggot or two on the hook and then it's 10-20 maggots loose fed around the float and I usually get my first bite, (small roach, rudd, perch or skimmer bream) within the first five to ten seconds.
Then it's little and often as the session continues. After a while the bigger fish will move in,(tench, proper bream and big roach, rudd and perch).
I guarantee you groundbait of any kind would have deterred a couple of those species from feeding, thus reducing the catch rate.
Basic food items,(maggots, worms etc..) end up in the water all the time in nature, where as clouds of breadcrumbs with flavourings, colours etc....do not.
I'll never use groundbait or "flavourings" again.
@@russelljones1718 One example. Boilies to me are to catch the fishermen, Although they do catch fish .I have fished next to anglers using boilies which I was using luncheon meat with supermarket additives and I happened to catch more fish ,on more than one occasion. So that to me speaks for itself. Keeping it simple is the best way to catch for me ,and cheaper.
@@mrskint55yeah on another day the boilie may catch more .
Great video, Den
I really like your testing process with the goo/glug falling off the floating foam.
In my experience, golden syrup is an excellent additve for sweetcorn and similar baits. It takes colour well and seems to sink to the bottom of the water column then spreads out. Mostly I use it with liquidized sweetcorn or chopped sweetcorn. Red and green colouration seem to have been most effective. You can also odd various complementary flavours. The sugary coffee flavours from supermarkets seem to work well and are worth experimenting with. Vanilla and salted caramel both seem to work. Vimto cordial is also an interesting alternative to tutti fuity but probably not available in Australia. I keep thinking about trying chilli flakes infused into golden syrup for the winter. Sweet and sour must be worth a try.....
Slightly off topic but have you looked at some of the American style pack bait recipes on TH-cam. There's a few using something similar to golden syrup ( often warmed up) with breadcrumbs or similar which apparently don't go off quickly but break down rapidly in water. I'm guessing they would work well on a method feeder. Food for thought 🤔 and potentially ideal for quick impromptu sessions. Looking forward to the next instalment
Thanks Russell. Lots of 'food for thought' there mate. 👍👍😁😁
Hi Den and welcome back. If you want to try something really different, go to one of the home brew shops and have a look at some of the flavours there, everything you can imagine like Ouzo or Kahlua and many others, I prefer butterscotch.
Thanks Pete. Interesting point mate. I imagine we must have Home Brew shops down here, but I've never seen one.😁😁
@@FishingwithDen I am down here, in Brisbane. I'm talking about the shops that sell beer making supplies.
@@petefletcher2993 I just drink it Pete. My days of making it are long gone. But thanks I'll take a look.😂👍
Welkome back Den ,great vid👍👍🐟👋
Thanks Danny.👍👍😁😁
I have not used water to soak my micro pellets for years.
I use another very cheap liquid from the local supermarket.
It makes the pellets slightly tacky, so I never need to buy sticky pellets, and it dissolves in water very quickly.
It has a very sweet taste, but with a crucial ingredient that makes Carp feed more aggressively.
I am surprised that I am the only one to have thought of it. I have done very well with it over the years. I think if I ever let on, fisheries would ban it.
Hey mate, I'm in Australia as well. Just getting into carp fishing.
Any hints for getting carp in Australia?
If you vape, the flavours that DO NOT contain nicotine, work just as good as any other fish specific goo/glug. They both use the same ingrediants.
Great Vid once more. I have had a jar of molasses in my kit for some time now. But I have been using Fjuka pellets and goo for a few years as well. But to be fair I have caught on Mussels and Chickpea with the goo on and off? I used to put custard powder on my maggots for years! As for Marmite I am a love it! I have it on toast every morning ;)
Thanks Phill. I think there must be something wrong with people who love Marmite. It was one of the most disgusting tastes I've ever had.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@FishingwithDen I have always been a bit odd?
@@Offcut55 LOL> Me too mate.👍👍
i've just made some using glycerine and cornflower as the base, salt, strawberry ice cream syrup, honey and syrup.
I got 20L of molasses about 10 years ago and i've got about 10L. I use molasses and curry powder them pump a handful of pellets and fill the small pot with the mixture, and the pellets last way over 6 months as i used that pot for that long, I think there's that little water in the pumped pellets, the molasses/curry powder mix infuses every air pocket in the pellets and acts as a preservative.
The expander stop expanding as well once you pop the lid on the filled up container. It's brilliant for Carp and Bream what i like to target, but also catches everything else apart from perch.
I just wish we could get Expander pellets down here mate.
I also use the bottles of Coffee Syrup, hazelnut and caramel work.
Thanks mate. Definitely worth considering.
I've used molasses and it does work, the late great John wilson used it in some of his videos
I use Micro pellets 2mm on my feeders I always used to mix molasses with some hot water first then soak the pellets Worked really well at Whiteacres Now getting a bit lazy and buy spotted fin ready to go pellets in various flavours mind you no postage cost free shipping for UK if over £50 of product ordered Find a strawberry liquid works quite well in cloudier natural waters
Thanks Barbara.
Hi Den, the only one of those I would use is the strawbwerry one. We get it in the UK (I buy it at Aldi) but it's a thicker and more syrupy texture than the one you get over there. There are also flavourings made by bait companies such as Dynamite that you can't buy at the supermarket. they do Scopex, Tutti Frutti, Green Betaine. These are not too expensive, £4:50 for a 250 ml bottle. They last a while as you don't need to add much to your groundball/pellets etc.
Unfortunately, we can't buy those products down here. The only way to get get them would be to try to order them online. The shipping would cost a fortune and they might get impounded at Customs I'm afraid.
@@FishingwithDen That's a shame. I've found that the Scopex in particular is a very good fish attractant. A bottle last a long time as you only need a couple of squirts in your pellets/groundbait. Seems to that a big tackle company should start selling their products in Australia. Although maybe coarse fishing isn't as popular over there as it is in the UK. How's the weather over there? It's 24th of July and having had June heatwaves, we seem to have entered a Monsoon season over here, we've even got flood warnings!
@@CB-xr1eg To give you an idea of the popularity of Coarse Fishing down here, it might help to learn that I don't know of another Coarse angler anywhere within miles of me. Lol. As for the weather, we are still having frosts and rain. I'll be glad when its September and it starts to become pleasantly warm.
@@FishingwithDen I guess that means that you are unique Den👍 You're heading into Spring and it feels as though we're heading towards Autumn even though it's still July.
You skipped the honey shelf at the supermarket😊 . Great work Den !
It looks like I missed quite a few items Ovidiu. 😁😁👍👍
I used to use supermarket own brand ovaltine for sticky mag and sticky pellet and then the bait manufacturers started to sell one for more money, I never bought it though.
I bought some of the Goo when it first came out but I cant say it got me more bites, I think it catches more anglers than fish to be honest.
That seems to be the general consensus Andrew.
Did you catch anything using the molasses? Do you think it made any difference? Only been carp fishing for a year but have been fishing for about 50 years. Scent’s definitely draw in other species here (turtles and catfish mostly). Been trying to figure what to use in my packbait/ Pva bag mix to help draw them to my bait. I live in the states and love your channel. Thanks for all the insight!
At the time I did this video I had only given it a very quick try, but I will be doing a full video on fishing with it in the next couple of weeks.
Im just up the road Den...And waiting for the cricket on Channel 9...Nice to see you
So you're in Australia then Peter? Cancel that. I just got your email.
Il be happy with a hours play today
@@geoff738only one wicket down today Geoff ,but a big one,hopefully a full day tomorrow should see us home ,fingers well and truly xxxxxxxx🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞,nice to see you back Den hope everything ok
@@Royboy50 yes fingers crossed and toes for tomorrow 🤞 it’s been a great series
Hi Den , thanks for the vids , very interesting. I'm just coming back to fishing , not been for about 25 years and to my mind it has become over commercialized and technical. Used to have to drive miles for a decent carp lake , now can't get get away from them , would rather catch decent roach , tench and perch now. Every thing seems to be about carp , looking though ads on Ebay , carp bank sticks . Lol. As if a carp cares what bank sticks you are using , Camo everything including reels , bags etc , fish have poor eyesight and rely on smell above everything so this is all marketing bull. I'm not going to be conned by all this , approach and bait presentation is what matters. Yes amongst my new kit I do have a carp rod ( second hand ) and bait runner reel in case the need arises but the first buys were a quality float rod and a quiver tip one. Have bought the usual tackle requirements and made about 20 various floats. I just hope I can get back to enjoying fishing as I use to , defo gonna try the molasses idea , not tried that before. Thanks again.
Sweet chilli sauce, oyster sauce, liquidized chilies 🌶, condensed milk, double strength fruit juices for watering down drinks ( I use the orange, lemon and pineapple juice) to boost fluro pop up’s etc
I already have the sweet chilli and oyster sauce to test next, but thanks for the additional ideas mate. It looks like I might be spending a lot more time with the testing tank.👍👍
I use peach tea and custard powder in my boilies they work great
@@FishingwithDen, coconut milk is good too, a lot of the pre made Chinese sauces are very good, hoisin and garlic, spicy black bean sauce, tom yum sauce etc, Thai fish sauce, sriracha sauce, a mate of mine used to lightly coat his dog mixer’s with supermarket hemp oil, I’ve also used desiccated coconut in seed mixtures for spod mixes, as I was using coconut and tiger nut meal boilies, also powdered soup mixes too for a savory powder, ice cream syrups which are often fructose based so great fruit sugars etc 👍
But for hookbait glugs especially fruit hookbaits like brite pop up’s or plastic/rubber corn and maize then the double strength fruit juice I mentioned on previous post has done me the best results, probably because MOST of the glugs specifically made for angling are aroma( smell based ) and the fruit squash is both taste and smell appealing.
@@technomickdocumentalist2495 Very informative Mick. Thanks.
For catching carp off the top we used to use dog biscuits softened in Bovril flavoured water. They seemed to like the salty, beefiness.
btw, people who don't like Marmite or Vegemite probably spread it too thickly.
I think Bovril might be something I will try mate. thank you.
@@FishingwithDen Good luck with it then! I think it would work as a groundbait additive too.
@@BoingBB You should've put "need shooting" rather than "they're spreading it too thickly".lol
@@majmat 🤣🤣
Another good supermarket product is “Fish Sauce”. Most of them are fermented anchovies. Can’t go wrong 😊
I'm sure they are great Mikey, but I don't think I will use them I'm afraid. They are guaranteed to attract hordes of Eels where I live mate.😁😁
@@FishingwithDen Corr yeah I bet mate, enjoyed the vid keep it up😊👍🏼
Top Video.
Thanks Ralf.😁😁
Hemp oil Sainsbury's 6 or 7 quid for 700ml bottle much cheaper than the bait companies.
Mustard works well for me
Tried Marmite and mollasses probably as good as the rip off products. I don't think any of it makes much differeve
Chinese / Thai fish sauce - quite salty and worth a try.
Thanks John.
In the 70s my dad used to send me to local pub the day before a contest to get some aniseed to put in his maggots.
I remember buying Aniseed Essence at my local tackle shop in the 70s too.
Is Vegemite like Bovril ? Or more like Marmite ?
Dunno Gerald. I can't stand any of them mate.🤣🤣👍👍
You could get 15 kilo of melasse for horse food for the price of one bait additive!
If you don’t know anything about bait and why it is attractive to fish this appears to have meaning. If you do it doesn’t. Sure there are things in the super market that carp are attracted to too one degree or another but when you use products from the leading bait company’s such as those used in this example, what you are buying is confidence in a bottle.
Sonubaits or Nash cheaper decathlon do half liters for ten I'd go with a fish oil be better salmon krill etc personally I use Fjuka sensate❤
Unfortunately, we are unlikely to be able to get them down here and the cost for shipping is prohibitive.
@@FishingwithDen the red dyed mollases looks brilliant carp have a very sweet tooth looks like the best bet 😍
@@HARDYSFISHINGADVENTURES I agree. I had a very quick try with it for about 45 minutes and its what I'm going to use on the full trial of next weeks product.
@@FishingwithDen perfect
Does anyone know if molasses would be pva friendly?
I have had 30 40 pounders with marmite.
Did you love 'em or hate 'em?🤔
I wouldn't buy hemp oil from companies you can get it from Sainsbury's 700ml bottle for 6 quid same as fish sauce 2 quid 1ltr bottle yet a bait company sells it 10 quid 500ml a rip off I'm a bait maker make my own goo and smart liquid.Companies rip you off.
Aldi oyster sauce is all I use 90c bottle
Yep. Its on the list Frank. Thanks for the heads up.👍👍😁😁
Fish sauce is missing from your line up Den. It's a killer.
I agree Scott. Unfortunately, down here, its a recipe to get inundated with Eels and Turtles mate.😁😁👍👍
@@FishingwithDen ohhhh never that doesn't sound good. I had a match the other day down In Gloucestershire, I had 30 pound of the slippery things 🤢🤢🤢🤢
@@scottpardoe6349 Yuk!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
There's recipes/instructions on TH-cam,showing how to make your own goo....easy 👍👍👍
I' with you Den, when it comes to Marmite. A friend likened it to licking a cats bum !
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣I'm not sure which is worse Robert.
Angler cancer not carp catcher in my eyes.
You don't need any of them. A piece of corn or a pellet in the right place is all you need.
For the most part, I agree with you George. As you say, if you put your bait where the fish are, you have a chance to catch them. Please watch this weeks video on the new Flavour Feeder though. Here's the link: th-cam.com/video/zTlFdnUwK3k/w-d-xo.html What I am experimenting with by using this new feeder, is an attempt to bring the fish into a more concentrated area using a smell and a flavour, but not actually feeding them. It is designed for use in Winter when the fish are eating very little.
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I've caught Bream on mixers dipped in marmite
Its all designed to catch the anglers wallet , a 2 litre bag of groundbait over here in the UK is £10 its outrageous , so i have decided to use an alternative , its layers mash , i use a coffee grinder to fine it down and add any supermarket powdered flavour to it or cheap custard cream and bourbon biscuits ground down , a 20k sack of layers mash is £9.70 from my local animal feed merchants called Vaux Brothers , the layers mash just looks like Van Den Eynde groundbait
Hi Andy. I agree groundbaits and additives are very expensive, but at least you have the opportunity to buy them in the UK. 🤣 Down here we have to make our own, so my groundbait also uses the ingredients you mentioned. The only difference is that instead of buying Layers Mash, I buy Chicken Layer Pellets. It's the same stuff, just in a different form). I too use a coffee grinder to turn them into a fine mix. The only other thing I do is add equal parts of white breadcrumbs from the Supermarket to get a very versatile groundbait mix. I have produced a couple of videos on the subject. Here's the link to the latest one: th-cam.com/video/vtadD6b_pjE/w-d-xo.html
I have been looking at additives to add to ground bait and pellets myself found this very interesting, have you tried coconut oil or fish oil get them out of the supermarket works well. I have added a link from TH-cam its called ( Bait Vault ) you mite find interesting, www.youtube.com/@baitvault Enjoyed the video as usual very well done.
Thanks Bob.