Return Of By The Numbers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- #CSGO #Counterstrike #esports
0:01:22 Richard and Slasher's discussion about state of CS esports on previous stream www.twitch.tv/...
0:03:54 Thorin's views on how game devs don't understand the building of the esports scene
0:07:52 How Valve cynically disapproved of Rich's investigation of the IBP scandal
0:09:22 Thorin's story of Gabe in IEM 2011 and how he had no clue as to how CS esports worked
0:11:16 Valve's philosophy which supports players and shuns teams and orgs
0:13:46 All of the mainstream media and Valve view esports as like the movie "The Wizard", and not as like Tennis with a pro circuit
0:16:47 Richards anecdote about meeting with Eleague and Valve and other executives
0:20:35 Valve as the parent not stepping in when all the kids are misbehaving
0:24:41 NA esports Orgs even in Tier 1 are cashing out their CSGo lineups out of a lack of belief in the scene
0:25:52 The sexy human element hook for the IBP scandal which forced Valve, out of spite, to finally take action
0:28:33 The overwhelming amount of evidence Richard had to present for the IBP case
0:34:38 Even after IBP's ban, systematically pro players from different regions became more corrupt by different means
0:39:34 All the upper echelon of tier 1 players doing everything possible that is corrupt to gain an edge, be it financially or competitively
0:46:04 The absolute flaws of the tiered system of the CSPPA
0:48:26 CSPPA as an entity fits the old proverb: The Road to hell is paved with good intentions
0:52:22 CSPPA take strike action against Blast Pro league over leaked voice comms
0:55:27 How the CSPPA will now use Strike action as a strategy to take stances against issues
0:59:28 "Measure one by their actions, not their words", describing the impotence of the CSPPA for key issues
1:02:58 The CSPPA's initial model worked as a protection racket to curry favour for certain TO's
1:06:12 How the CSPPA does not even qualify to be classified as a player union model
1:09:20 How Flashpoint were so naive that they were fooled in almost every aspect by CSPPA's intentions
1:15:25 CSPPA also acting as a agent representative and fucking other players and orgs of signed deals
1:18:00 Mads Oland's history of strike action due to sponsorship and image rights conflicts when he was in charge of the DFA
1:19:32 Blast's credibility over CSPPA in not fucking over players rights when it comes to voice comms
1:25:06 Ryan Morrison's revelations of CSPPA's intentions earlier in the year where CSPPA sold all the image rights for 5 years with no input from players
1:29:38 CSPPA's signing licensing agreements of 5 years as a corrupt organisation is beyond despicable
1:36:16 Thorin's POV on how an org would properly educate it's members on their image rights
1:39:20 How the CSPPA has wrongly took strike action for a very insignificant issue
1:41:37 How CSPPA misread/misunderstood Blast's rules for voice communications use and how they will target Blast again in future
1:45:26 How the power of words and wordplay has been used as an occult way to hide intentions
1:49:01 How teams like HAVU and Sprout woke up to being cut out from leagues like ESLPL which partnered with CSPPA, and then getting no representation from the CSPPA
1:55:16 How back-channelling communication functions, when people want to screw esports they will not communicate with Richard or Thorin
1:57:35 Vanity questioning the CSPPA's intentions to help the NA scene and it's players
2:00:36 even ESIC are not able to call into question all the cheating and shady activity and protection by the CSPPA
2:06:05 ESIC's unsavory position of being the only entity that investigates corruption but is now allowed to take action
2:16:50 What has the CSPPA done to earn your loyalty as a fan?
2:20:04 Poizon undergoes emergency surgery for unspecified illness
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As the reasonable one would say "Straight fire", legendary episode.
unfortunately, not for the right reasons :(
@@amercurio to be fair... when the episodes are fire, it's often because something scandalous has happened in the scene...
@@GG-zx3fy fair enough
@@GG-zx3fy I agree, however some episodes when literally nothing is happening in esports and they're just going off on crazy stories and obscure references are way too much fun as well.
Watch E-Sport's Batman and Robin try to clean up the CS:GO scene on this week's episode of Biden numbers.
Fuck Batman and Robin this is Punisher and Badger
@@jakobsrensen1684 I'd pay good money to see Richard in a Punisher getup with a shotgun saying Penny and dime
@@vivekwarrier8371 He did wear a Punisher setup once, during Dreamhack's Hell in a Cell section where he put a chokehold on a Swedish disabled teenager in a 1vs3 match and plummeted through the audience, shouting obscenities at Overwatch fans. That's when he was sporting the Punisher set. That MAGA hat with a Nazi Germany flag instead of the word "America" was a little too much for me, admittedly, but the rest was spot on.
which one is which
Isn't Sam supposed to be Robin ?
Sad part of this is, everything Thorin and Rich said about Scoots was confirmed when I went to his Twitter. Called Thorin delusional and didnt address anything said. Mad to see how the mighty have fallen
Thanks Richard, Duncan, Sam. A banger episode. I realise someone has posted timestamps while I was making these, kudos to whoever made those. If anyone wants though, here are more Timestamps.
0:00 Introductions and shoutout to sponsors.
1:22 Valve's disinterest in the esports scene.
3:53 Duncan's take on Valve and game devs generally.
9:22 Duncan sharing a GabeN anecdote.
11:16 Valve do not understand the ecosystem that makes them money.
13:45 Mainstream media not understanding the CSGO tournament circuit.
15:55 Valve don't understand, or want, the CSGO tournament circuit.
16:46 Richard sharing an ELEAGUE and Jason Lake anecdote.
19:12 Richard's initial attempts at starting a player's union.
20:37 Valve's disinterest in the esports scene: the current mess.
22:01 Valve, please fix.
23:33 Riot and the state of CSGO in NA.
25:53 Why you typically want game devs not to be involved.
26:55 Valve and the iBuyPower case.
29:10 Richard's evidence in the IBP case.
33:25 What it takes for Valve to step in and fix things.
35:00 The role of Pro Players, not CSPPA.
36:53 After match-fixing, dodgy skins websites.
38:40 The current problems; coaching bug.
39:01 Duncan's christmas message to TaZ and FalleN
39:57 Pros silence on the coaching bug.
40:55 Burn the scene to the ground, as needed, to get rid of cheaters.
41:43 On HundeN making moral judgement.
44:12 Valve needs to come in and swing the ban-hammer.
45:23 Strike actions against TOs.
46:04 CSPPA needs to stand up for everyone.
48:27 Scoots and biblical references.
52:22 Overview of the CSPPA.
53:05 CSPPA strike action against Blast, 5 minutes before the game.
56:00 Analysts should be extremely careful about team coms knowledge.
57:48 CSPPA treating the issue like a PR stunt.
1:00:09 Valve not caring about the people that made CSGO.
1:01:44 CSPPA and the hills they wouldn't die on.
1:03:00 The CSPPA shakedown.
1:07:30 Not a real union.
1:09:20 Flashpoint owners wanting to deal with the CSPPA.
1:12:19 CSPPA's view on obligations, including the CSPPA ranking.
1:15:25 Counter-Strike Professional Players Agency.
1:18:07 Mads Oland, referencing Slovakia-Denmark 2018 (football).
1:20:05 Blast had agreements with all teams on the voice coms.
1:23:06 Balancing credibility CSPPA vs Blast and all co-signing orgs.
1:24:29 The bottom line: a PR stunt and threat.
1:26:11 CSPPA and image rights.
1:29:42 Signing away player rights through contract clauses.
1:35:33 CSPPA going on the offensive against ESIC.
1:36:32 Pushing back against player rights sold away for peanuts.
1:38:51 CSPPA not interested in player interests.
1:41:42 Blast's approach to voice coms.
1:44:30 Next: players boycotting tournaments?
1:46:14 The power of words.
1:47:25 CSPPA getting further from their goals.
1:49:01 Chasing away orgs towards Valorant.
1:50:18 Davey tweet @ChrisJ.
1:52:25 CSPPA not standing up against ESL.
1:53:56 ChrisJ defending the indefensible for CSPPA.
1:55:22 Why Richard and Duncan are not in back channels with CSPPA.
1:57:36 Richard's message to the Pro Players wronged by CSPPA.
2:00:37 ESIC's importance over CSPPA.
2:02:15 Stream-sniping teams.
2:04:00 Cheaters ruining the ecosystem, yet ESIC gets targeted.
2:07:34 ESports Jesus.
2:08:12 Reason for ESIC accepting money from MTG (ESL/DH).
2:10:14 ESIC dealing with stream-sniping.
2:12:59 MiBR owning up to the mistake.
2:14:04 Zero tolerance now.
2:17:11 What has the CSPPA done for you lately?
2:20:07 Poizon emergency surgery, misses next tournament.
Your work is appreciated!
When the BTN number episode has an extra name added to it you know it’s a key time in esports
Baseball sucks
this is the episode that had to happen , thank you Richard and Throin
Thank you for sticking up --as always-- for the scene!
This is a legendary episode , will be seen as a turning point for the scene.
if only dude. Scene will cannibalize itself and CS will be dead (no cap) in the next 2 years
@@KennyE21 !remindme 2years
@@namelessguy199 if only this was reddit.
Straight fire episode. We are blessed to have guys like you and Thorin around for the scene really.
Who else is gonna be willing to make video like this to expose all this seriously. Thank you Richard.
I heard about a mythical beast who does things like this in another scene.. forget his name though
Absolute Banger, thank you guys for making this episode
This is probably the best BTN episode in years, what an absolute banger that should promote some change in the scene.
my favourite till now was the Spunj "stealing" an opinion one
First episode to stay up on twitch and yet I still watch again on TH-cam.
Too good not to rewatch.
This episode was so straight fire, I was so eager for more burn after it ended that I had to listen to it again immediately
finally, i really genuinely hope the scene can do the neccasary cleaning before its too late, it might already be too late. please keep up the good fight boys, the ones who really care will help anyway they will.
this is the best ROBTN so far, no holding back on shit that has been held back for years
Timestamps
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0:01:22 Richard and Slasher's discussion about state of CS esports on previous stream www.twitch.tv/videos/830415547?t=01h41m42s
0:03:54 Thorin's views on how game devs don't understand the building of the esports scene
0:07:52 How Valve cynically disapproved of Rich's investigation of the IBP scandal
0:09:22 Thorin's story of Gabe in IEM 2011 and how he had no clue as to how CS esports worked
0:11:16 Valve's philosophy which supports players and shuns teams and orgs
0:13:46 All of the mainstream media and Valve view esports as like the movie "The Wizard", and not as like Tennis with a pro circuit
0:16:47 Richards anecdote about meeting with Eleague and Valve and other executives
0:20:35 Valve as the parent not stepping in when all the kids are misbehaving
0:24:41 NA esports Orgs even in Tier 1 are cashing out their CSGo lineups out of a lack of belief in the scene
0:25:52 The sexy human element hook for the IBP scandal which forced Valve, out of spite, to finally take action
0:28:33 The overwhelming amount of evidence Richard had to present for the IBP case
0:34:38 Even after IBP's ban, systematically pro players from different regions became more corrupt by different means
0:39:34 All the upper echelon of tier 1 players doing everything possible that is corrupt to gain an edge, be it financially or competitively
0:46:04 The absolute flaws of the tiered system of the CSPPA
0:48:26 CSPPA as an entity fits the old proverb: The Road to hell is paved with good intentions
0:52:22 CSPPA take strike action against Blast Pro league over leaked voice comms
0:55:27 How the CSPPA will now use Strike action as a strategy to take stances against issues
0:59:28 "Measure one by their actions, not their words", describing the impotence of the CSPPA for key issues
1:02:58 The CSPPA's initial model worked as a protection racket to curry favour for certain TO's
1:06:12 How the CSPPA does not even qualify to be classified as a player union model
1:09:20 How Flashpoint were so naive that they were fooled in almost every aspect by CSPPA's intentions
1:15:25 CSPPA also acting as a agent representative and fucking other players and orgs of signed deals
1:18:00 Mads Oland's history of strike action due to sponsorship and image rights conflicts when he was in charge of the DFA
1:19:32 Blast's credibility over CSPPA in not fucking over players rights when it comes to voice comms
1:25:06 Ryan Morrison's revelations of CSPPA's intentions earlier in the year where CSPPA sold all the image rights for 5 years with no input from players
1:29:38 CSPPA's signing licensing agreements of 5 years as a corrupt organisation is beyond despicable
1:36:16 Thorin's POV on how an org would properly educate it's members on their image rights
1:39:20 How the CSPPA has wrongly took strike action for a very insignificant issue
1:41:37 How CSPPA misread/misunderstood Blast's rules for voice communications use and how they will target Blast again in future
1:45:26 How the power of words and wordplay has been used as an occult way to hide intentions
1:49:01 How teams like HAVU and Sprout woke up to being cut out from leagues like ESLPL which partnered with CSPPA, and then getting no representation from the CSPPA
1:55:16 How back-channelling communication functions, when people want to screw esports they will not communicate with Richard or Thorin
1:57:35 Vanity questioning the CSPPA's intentions to help the NA scene and it's players
2:00:36 even ESIC are not able to call into question all the cheating and shady activity and protection by the CSPPA
2:06:05 ESIC's unsavory position of being the only entity that investigates corruption but is now allowed to take action
2:16:50 What has the CSPPA done to earn your loyalty as a fan?
2:20:04 Poizon undergoes emergency surgery for unspecified illness
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So this episode really got me thinking. You said many times that ESIC needs money. Do they have something like a fundraiser / crowdfuning something, where people can throw in some extra bucks?
Quick math: you got 115k subs, if only 10% of them throw in 10 bucks a year, that equals 115k a year.
I don't know if that's just another drop on the hot stone, I can't be the only one thinking about something like this...We would need people like you, Richard Lewis and Duncan Shields to promote that. I'm sure there's a lot of silent viewers who would support ESIC. Cheers for all the good work guys, I will also be on the patreon list again soon!
this right here needs to be at the top of the comments section
Will certainly go down as one of, if not the most important episode of by the numbers.
thorin and biblical references - name a better duo
Sam and his weed. But its a close tie
@@caboose2741 lmao
This episode was straight fire. I really enjoyed the passion boys. Good on you for trying to stick whats right with the scene. Keep it up.. Cheers
In I think 2013 Thorin & RL on Unfiltered #34 said in regards to the 100K csgo iem tournament that Valve at no point helped CSGO and the tournament was a victory for the community opposed to TO’s or Valve. Years later this could be seen in the uphill battle every step of the way the community had to first have a proper major then the prize pool issues that were so well done in the Internationals for Dota but CSGO remained neglected despite showing how viable a platform it was with excellent tournaments and structure. It’s really interesting seeing the continuation of these concepts over half a decade later
glad i managed to catch this one live, absolute banger
When this episode so good that valve contact Richard...damn
?
@@michaelfetter8738 valve contact Richard, don't know exactly the conversation tho,I think about jampi
@Hussain Kara Fallah yeah
Gents this is one of the best and most important episodes of this show you've ever done. I really hope that some changes come from this. Mad props
holy shit 3 minutes in and rich is already going super hard
holy shit 1:20:00 in and they haven't even slowed down
That's what she said.
Caught this live, but you know I had to see this gem again. May this episode never be forgotten. (Algorithm comment) Thanks for all the content, work, opinions, integrity and every other thing I didn’t mention that you do for the scene.
Thank you for revealing this to us. Never would known about this bs otherwise. Love all three of ya
This sounds as dirty as the FIA and FIFA. Thats were the executives and players got their morals from probably.
Already watched on twitch but shall leave a comment
As pointed out by many others, this was a great episode! Hopefully this will inspire a much needed shift of direction in csgo and the esports scene as a whole. Love the work and effort to better the scene put in by both of you.
Duncan "Human Rights" Shields
Straight Fire! Legendary episode!
Thank you gentlemen, you are heroes. Truly, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Cheers.
It all reminds me of professional road cycling. A couple of people ruined the entire sport for everyone. It´s a complete joke. Lance Armstrong retired and came back for one last tour de france, and he took the spot of someone else in his new team. So that guy he replaced reported all the skeletons in the closet to a journalist called David Welsh. What happened? People attacked David Welsh. Not Lance Armstrong.
Why are people like this. Why are they so invested in "their" team or "their" player that they refuse to believe they would cheat and attack anyone who points the cheater´s wrongdoings out.
Thank both of you for keeping up with this nonsense for so long. You are rare breed of journalists that we desperately need more of. Not only in esports.
Walsh \m/
@@officialmcdeath you´re right, my bad
Keep up all the great work fellas.
Best episode yet.
Keep fighting the good fight!
Amazing episode. Sam take some love. Thanks Rich thanks thorin.
Every person doubting the passion Richard and Thorin have for this industry, should watch this episode. I have never seen Richard this upset in any of the big scandals in recent time. He loves esports and it shows.
if you allready saw it live - let it run in mute in the background for the algorytm !
Richard Lewis? Is that a player? I don't really play csgo anymore but this just really confused me. Is he aware that Richard Lewis is a comedian?
Seema a bit weird to choose a nickname that is a comedian.
Fire.
Incredible show once again, especially important for the current situation. Great job boys
Couldn't understand what either of them were saying cause of all the shots fired, I like it.
I've been out of the scene for like 2 years and this was straight fire
Nice one boss
If some valve employee is reading this. I want you to fucking know csgo is the only esports I follow and it’s because of these two beautiful bastards. The last profesional match I watched was the last csgo major. But I still watch this podcast religiously. So pay these two men their respect, because if it weren’t for them. I wouldn’t give a fuck about the scene
Such a sick episode..
Sick episode, cheers Rich and Thorin, couldn't stop listening, could have listened for another 2 hours if you wanted to keep going
big fan of this Banelor fellow
The most straight fire episode.
2:17:28 laughed hard at chat saying "True" "Yes" "OMEGALOL" during the livestream
AY CARAMBA! Everyone who in any way is a part of this game should watch this! Bravo guys!
Time for a rewatch
Support comment. Thanks for everything you do, Richard and Duncan.
The only sane voices of the Counter-Strike scene. Imporant episode. I've had so many questions about shit going on the last years and this explains A LOT. I hope this can make a change...
this is pure fire
Buckle up, this is the big one
Gabe "Literally" Newell
straight fire episode..
With all these scandals, would you rule out viewership manipulation like overwatch did for years ? I wouldnt, IEM paid 100 mil in sponsor money and they will get what they paid for Damnit!
Ooh this is gonna be good
Love the content and look forward to it, but these ads are ridiculous. I'm trying to listen while at work lol
I’m so ready for this
I am so amazed that so much shit in the CSGO scene I get to learn only by watching Richard and Thorin. It must be shocking to say the least how corrupt the eSports scene has gotten.
put your Nord link in the comments or description. I signed up the other day and couldn't find something that you'd sent me there.
That team must be EG surely or liquid would make sense. Unless i forgot someone as i doubt its Furia
Love you guys. Keep it up
16:00
Wasn't that basically TI8 OG? From open quals to TI? TI9 was different, people then knew they were built different, but TI 8 really was three major winners (presumed to be past their prime), a coach ( a major winning coach), a manager and one true random plucked from solo que - who turned out to be the biggest giga chad mid player.
Love the videos but why are the ads so dense? Seems like they sparse out in the second half though. Don't mind it too much since ik you get so little from ads, just a bit peculiar ig.
fire
Dont even follow cs, big league fan. Always interested to listen to Richard/Thorins perspective on the landscape of esports
man, someone really needs to clip thorin's fire about the power of word
Top episode fellas
turning point
Love that shirt Rich.
I haven’t watched since last year is this a good point to start watching again?
It was a great one.
so glad these guys exist
Probably one of the most important BTN episodes ever.
Somebody call the fire brigade 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Does anyone have a link to the match that they held up?
Richard “living in the future” Lewis
I've never agreed more with you than I have at 1:00:17
richard chippin' away at his dead man's drive, times are getting tough man.
Richard got out the flamethrower for this one, fucking hell
It's sad that these people have to fight so hard for what's obviously right, and will most likely end up on the losing side, just because the other side has a lot of money behind it.
So true man. 😔
Amazing fucking episode. Thanks guys!
I think for the remainder of online CS, TO's should require a camera placed in the corner of a room that has an un-onstructed view of everything and everyone in the room and that the only people present are only the players and the coach. The coach should be seated in a fixed position behind the team. If players are playing in separate locations, each player and coach should set up a camera in the room with a view of everything. Maybe place it on the ceiling or something. That way, you have overwatch of everything throughout the match. If a team is caught stream sniping, talking to coach during the game when they shouldnt be EVERYONE involved, players, coach, the team itself is fined 5k for the first offense and every subsequent infraction is another 5k on top of it. If these cunts want to cheat for an extra grand, they best be fucking good at it because when that 10k fine hits your pocket your cunts gonna quiver and if everyone on a team knows that theyre going to be punished regardless if theyre the perpetrator of the offense, theyre going to keep the others in line and we wont have this bullshit argument of "WeLl We DiDnT kNoW oUr CoAcH, tHe GuY wE sPeNd EvErY dAy WiTh WaS gEtTiNg InFo IlLeGaLlY!"
this is a good one!
"I have a fucken spy network that would put soviet Russia to shame you mad cunts" - RL, 2020
The only thing I disagree with here, and I'm nitpicking because it's not the core issue; is the protest of the chosen time of the strike action. If the strike had been motivated by a valid cause, which it obviously was not seeing as the teams it supposedly was benefiting had not been reached out to for consultation or consent and objected to it, then striking in prime time would have been valid. A strike achieves nothing if its ignorable. It's like people who lament protesters for protesting on busy roads or whatever. If you strike somewhere out of the way, on a university campus somewhere where no one notices because it doesn't inconvenience them then your strike achieves fuck all. A strike needs by definition to be obstrusive, to be obnoxious. But anyway it's a moot point given that the CSSPA are a corrupt and morally bankrupt organization
This is going to go down as one of the hottest NBNN in history.
Me hearing Sams full name: Oh shit this is gonna be straight fire
I've played counterstrike on an off since 1.2 got good in 1.3 was made sad by 1.6 couldnt run source properly and have decided at the age toward 40 that alas my chance at a professional player maybe a little low due to the reality that I'm a bit shit. Unions when not controlled by sociopaths are good thing when they are not then you get this bullshit. I have started watching CS:GO games since lockdown and this just seems like the meme with the dog drinking coffee in a burning house whilst saying "this is fine". Simply put it isnt and the problem is that we can't fan boy this its too important. You need a governing body to call out bullshit because just look as ESA Pokemon go with a non monatised slot machine bad, NBA with a litteral roulette wheel which you buy credits to play absolutely fine nothing wrong. Teams and T/O's cannot govern themselves ESIC are a required to keep them on the right path and well said Richard and Thorin for calling out the bullshit a voice of sanity in an insane world.
Farken hell, I got the fire, but I live a world away in an industry that has no connection.
Hope this makes some changes to the scene
Extra spicy
this episode is heart breaking, i cant fucking watch cs esports anymore. competitive integrity is no more. i cannot watch a single match without thinking about players cheating in one way or another
Can someone explain what CGS is/was? Not familiar at all with it
Instant classic
Let's goooo
I always wondered why the broadcasts removed the skin names and who it belonged to from the hud. Thought it was because no one cared except me, of course it was because it was being abused