Dyno Day of Reckoning - The 850 Project Season Finale
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- ►On this episode of - The 850 Project - We finally head back to the dyno for a full tuning session with the built RN engine where the 850 throws us a major curveball. We head to the dyno again after a few changes and finally hit the road to see what the 850 feels like to drive.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the 850 with a full BTCC wrap, like how does one go about acquiring and installing that?
we are still excitet about this :) hope that we will hear from you soon
Looking forward to Season 2! When is it gonna be unveiled?
Season 2 PLEASE!!!!
Love this volvo content.
Really glad you love the Volvo content!
Absolutely love this series! Please do more 850 stuff, maybe a t5 on a tight budget! Aaron helped me on mine along with you guys!!!!
Don't look at it as "only 15hp"...
You built over 10% more power!
Well, that's a better way of looking at it, Damian! We still have a few tricks up our sleeve to hopefully unlock more from this engine!
The T5 easily makes 280bhp with just bolt on mods... but you went NA and struggled to make any power. I know you are after the BTCC style but what makes these cars great is the turbo :) (850R owner)
You have a point, Trevor! But we're not YET ready to give up on this engine. Turbo's are absolutely fun, but something about a high revving screaming 5 cylinder is pushing us to keep trying.
@@fcpeuro Yeah please keep trying.. I had a 20V too and loved it to death, even though I now own a tuned 2.4T. I still miss the noises and response of the 20V.
Btw there is a guy in sweden that sells ECUs for the 20V that raise the revlimiter to 7800 rpm. Always dreamed of slapping one of those bad boys into mine, but didnt have money at the time.
Bult on and e85 ez 350hp
Volvo makes 170hp na version so you should get there atleast
@@randomguyfrominterwebster Stock figures are wishfull, and on crank, instead of wheels...
Love the 850 build videos! It’s giving me inspiration to get after my T5R.
We love that this is inspiring you to work on your T5R! Let us know if you need anything ♥
I love this project! I was the competition editor for the Volvo Club of America magazine “Rolling” in the mid ‘90’s, and followed the TWR Volvo’s in the BTCC religiously. I’m very excited about how your project progresses. I’d love to come to Lime Rock to see it run next year (I’m assuming it will take a few laps 😎)
So cool for you to take on such an obscure project!
Awesome former position! I have also endured a 6 year "challenge" to restomod my P80 wagon with almost every suspension goodie possible. Check it out...
That is super cool, Mark!! Glad you love the project, we are definitely trying something unique with this NA build and we knew it wouldn't be easy! We still have a number of items to check off the list but hope to be ready to hit the track early Spring!
Love this series, can't wait for more. That engine sounds glorious!!
You can't beat a screaming 5 cylinder!!
Obviously wanna see track footage and all the highs and lows of it all! Thanks for taking us on this journey. Brings back memories
Come on season 2! I’m pumped for this build!
Cant wait to hear it with itbs!
Oh, trust us, we can't wait for that either!!
What a project! I cant wait to see it hitting track curbs with a doggo in the back window.
Hopefully, we can get this thing up on two wheels just like the BTCC car!
This is sooooo good! The sound, the daily factor, the track factor, the manual trans, the na motor. Don’t listen to the haters, something different and it’s so cool. I’m sure you will hit 200/200.
Really love the series, and can't wait for Season 2!! Thanks to you guys, I'm well on my way to stiffening the chassis of my 1999 V70 NA, after having pulled the complete subframe from a C70 convertible that just happened to be at a junkyard only an hour away! Great tip! = )
Probably easier and more effective to just buy chassis braces from viva..... I used ipd poly subframes and torque mounts, a viva front and rear strut bar, and bc racing coilovers and my s70 handles beautifully.
Season 2: Show us what it takes to get a P80 track ready. Suspension, steering, wheels and tires... Let us know why you went with what you choose/did vs other options.
This car may not make a ton of horsepower, but if you can stiffen it in all the right places, it should still be super fun to track!
You hit the nail on the head, Franco! We can't wait to develop this car on the track and would love to take everyone along the journey with us. Once we get the chassis completely dialed, then we can start looking into squeezing more power from this engine.
I am about to buy a 850 2.0 t5 1996 manual gear. The knowledge I got from this project is priceless! Thank you!
Welcome to the club, Antony!
Season 2, bigger injectors and TB, custom header and then new tune. I feel confident you will be close to 200hp to the wheels. Research what the boys in Scandinavia do to the NA 5cyl.... Awesome work! Sounds so good!
We're not giving up on this engine! We are running T5 Blue injectors and a 960 throttle body. A better-designed header and functioning VVT might certainly get us somewhere! The hunt for 200hp!
I love the sound of the flyby
She's a screamer! Wish you can hear it in person, cameras and microphones never do the sound justice.
For season 2: please carry on with the Volvo to make it even nicer. Brilliant project!
Thanks, Thomas! There is still so much to do and we can't wait to bring everyone along the journey!
telling you - a proper working VVIS is a better manifold than what replaced it.. it's the best of both worlds!
ya'll basically needed tuning to be back to where it already was lol
i dont want to have to rev out to 7,000rpm for peak power, when i'd already had it under 4,000 with the VVIS manifold..
now that this project is over, all you guys basically did was keep raising the PEAK power for incremental gains, by sacrificing all your low end.. and it was only a sub 20+hp gain in the end.
The question is why didn't they make more power at the top? The short runner is twice as short. They upped ignition timing and nothing.
I just discovered this series after exploring the 850 chassis more! It's magnificent and the sound it makes is the purest and smoothest of any car I know about! When is season 2 coming? I can't wait!
You want glorious sounds??!? Individual throttle bodies!! 😋
Ohhhh yeah! We can't wait to hear this engine with a set of velocity stacks!
What does that mean?
Theres a lad that done it already, used a set of e60 m5 v10 throttle bodies and it sounds glorious! Well worth doing with this car!
Best noise ever! I am in the closing stages of building a Super Seven type of car with a B5254S and a M90 gearbox.
A stock p2 2.4 NA engine makes 170hp on paper, but that`s to the crank I suppose. This is a built engine, so it should make more, I hope working VVT will make a big difference.
Yep, 170hp to the crank. We are reading wheel horsepower which typically has 15% hp loss through the drivetrain. So 170hp - 15% would be 144.5 wheel horsepower. We made 155 wheel horsepower which is a 10hp increase so, essentially 180hp to the crank. We definitely think there is some hidden potential with more tuning and functioning VVT!!
This Volvo serie is amazing! Love it!
Glad you love it, Je Bruijs!! Thanks for following along!
Great progress! That engine sound is intoxicating. If you can’t gain more power, then lose more weight. I’m sure there are more stuff you can take out of the car to make it lighter. Can’t wait to see it scream on the track.
Lots of weight to take out, we still have the full interior! With weight reduction, corner balance, and alignment setup, this car will be a blast on the track! Then we can start chasing more power!
Love the content and effort, but you have to wonder if the old motor was capable of the same power with a inlet manifold and exhaust swap with some dyno tuning. Hope the vvt gets sorted.
With the mileage on that engine and the good power output, I would never have pulled it out, obviously been well serviced.
And recall Jacob pointing out that it was tested with snow tires, recharging that large battery and all - he estimated it would have been capable of 160 HP - significantly more than what they saw out of their modded RN... ??
nice work, fellas! the 850 sounds like a beast!!
You guys have done a lot of work for that power gain......I feel very justified in using the T5 motor as the base for my build.
I really want you guys to win, because of all the effort you put in. 15 WHP is a fair gain, but $ per BHP ratio is way off atm when you factor all the labour you guys put in.
Great work for n/a my 05 uk s60 2.0T makes 286bhp at the crank with just a 16t bigger injectors and a downpipe love volvos so much
I have a 850 NA with 120.000 miles, took it to a dyno and marked 140hp...can this be the real power of this NA and not the 170hp they say they have?? Thanks...and very nice work on that 850 ;)
Enjoyed the Volvo content. It would be cool if that motor had cam profiling like the 3.2. What MAF is in that car? Also funny thing it would have probably made 2 more hp with the stock intake system. Looking forward to the next part in the series.
Glad you enjoyed it, Will! We are running a standard M4.3/4 MAF which is enough to support Turbo engines up to 300hp. That intake was definitely a temporary fix and we plan on building something proper.
I want to see more power. And I wanna see that BTCC livery on it ASAP!
NA tuning is not easy, but we still think there are a few sleeping ponies under the hood to wake up! BTCC livery is going to be fun!
Don't stop! We need to know the n/a capability!!
Don't worry, Jamie, we're not giving up on the NA engine! There is definitely more potential in this engine with more tuning and functioning VVT.
Love an old 850 and really enjoyed the build 👍
Sounds awesome!
Remapped T5 owner here, Long to short, Volvo knew their onions with the N/A motors! Don't go wasting time on a 'flashy' N/A motor! A lot of pain and ££ for very little gain! Lol! (was interesting to watch though!)
The original car was about a 1000kg, try to make it as light as possible. Volvo changed the inner wheel arches so they where able to lower the car maximum. I hope you will change some things radically 😁
Oh don't worry, we definitely plan on putting the 850 on a diet!
The engine needs more air.
Install big throttle body from Volvo 960 six inline manifold.
With the intake-VVT and earlier open valves you can also get better flow at high rpm.
We are running a 960 throttle body, but there is no doubt that functioning VVT will unlock more potential!
I forgot to comment and it's been bugging me! I loved the series and would love to see the btcc wrap on it at the track in the next series. see you in the next one, ill probably be rewatching the series again
My GLT is fun to drive. 115k miles I kind of want to tune it. It’s quick for being a 30 yo N/A (probably the manual trans helps it feel zippier)
She sounds so good for got to mention that 👍😎so good
Imagine with a proper long tube header and ITBs!!
Nice to see that there are real Volvo-Enthustiasts in the United Staates:-) Greetings from Switzerland.
Volvo for Life!
You guys need to get your shipping department together. I had my car apart on the lift, received a defective part, and was promised a replacement was being overnighted. Didn't receive the replacement part for 5 days. WTG!!! Please CT charges tax on out of state sales. Absolutely ridiculous.
I wanna see a sick as wrap or livery on that brick.
I know it would definitely involve more necessary fabrication, but I wonder if an ME7 manifold from a newer turbo P2 would've helped in the top-end upfront-prior to the tune. While painting the original manifold out of my 2001 S60 2.4i, I briefly installed an ME7 manifold (pulled from a 2002 2.4T AWD). The powerband definitely felt more linear, and seemed to be top-end biased.
We definitely were curious about that! However being a cable throttle car, with the amount of work to fit that manifold, we'd rather go straight to ITBs!
@@fcpeuro ITBs would be awesome!
More more!!!
Loved watching this whole series! When is season 2 coming out??
Awesome project guys!
Love the work you guys did !! But it seems like diminishing returns on the motor, boost it please...
Thanks, Will!! NA tuning is challenging, frustrating, and rewarding. Boost is definitely tempting, but we're not yet ready to give up on this engine!
Awesome sounds! I say keep going with this car definitely should hunt that 200hp season 2
Oh, don't worry, we're not giving up on this engine! 200hp would be an absolute blast in this car! Love it, the hunt for 200hp!
@@fcpeuro makes a awesome header for the series keep up the awesome work
My B230F in my 240 is making similar numbers, nothing too crazy on it either 6600rpm. High revving NA motors are the most fun
turbo time!!!!!! I have double that hp with out even trying that hard on a 98 v70r
Nice series. Really want to see that car do well.
How on earth were the BTCC pulling near 325 hp..... they got 260hp without the infamous head mods
Thanks, Nick! The BTCC engine was a work of art, don't forget it was also a 2.0 liter making that kind of power! Aside from headwork, we would imagine there is a lot more power to unlock with higher compression.
Yeah buddies.....
Man, itb’s would be amazing
They sure would 😁
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I mean there a lot to be said about tuning. Peak power is only 1 point. Like if a car has a meatier area under the curve it's gonna feel significantly faster.
Will there be a season 2? I'd love to see where this thing is now! Hope y'all are doing well!
Parts are on order for season two, Elizabeth!
Oh boyss, you have to see our T5 from Portugal 🔥🔥🤙🏻😁
Have you thought about the turbo manifold from a P2 engine? It has shorter runners, but the throttle body is beneath it.
it sounds lovely and i bet it's a lot of fun :)
but you guys figured out the vvt? because i can't believe it is a built engine with that power figure, what cams is it running?
It's a blast, Ståle Mahoney!
We definitely think there is unlocked potential with VVT functioning! We're waiting on Aaron to work on the implementation and build a VVT map. I would expect a significant increase in torque!
@@fcpeuro cool, love to see the development of this square songbird ;)
Just really wana see the btcc paint scheme go on the car now
itll be lookin pretty for season 2 Ryan ':)
Wait didn't you cut the valve head in an angle to make the air flow in a a way combustion would be higher? Like twr did?
Sound is 5/5!
looking at only peak HP ignores the area under the curve. It's the total area under the curve that makes the car faster, not the peak HP it only hits for a millisecond. Your area under the HP and Torque curves were substantially increased, resulting in the great increase in power that you feel when driving. You are feeling the increase in HP through the lower RPM's when you are driving, not the 7,000 RPM HP. I hope that makes sense.....
You have a very good point, Nathan. However, currently with no functioning VVT, we have lost power and torque under the curve, with the cam timing essentially at full retard position we have a very very peaky engine that makes all the power between 5-7k rpm. Peak torque is at 5k rpm and peak power at 6500. With functioning VVT we hope to see a significant increase in power and torque under the curve!
Just plonk a 2.3 T5 motor in it, Job jobbed!
When's season 2 coming f😁rged rods & pistons maybe itb's or centrifugal supercharger come on FCP WE WANT MORE VOLVO CONTENT
In the oven baking!
BTCC team livery! Please! 👌🏼
James would be proud
Just wondering why you didn’t go for ITB’s considering it’s a track car..??
PLEASE Do a nitrous kit! haha.
gotta run greens
As we say in Sweden just Putt individual throttle bodies on it and a pair of headers
ITB’s pleaseeeee
We can't wait for that!
Isn't that less power than a 20V? Seems like a great car though, can only imagine how good it feels with all that bracing and the coils
Did you say you were going to do a wrap?
Yes, we have plans for a very cool wrap, still working on the design!
i know what the problem here is... IT'S AN NA 850 BRO. you guys aren't the 1st to try and make power with this configuration. iPd tried it, ARD has tried it and countless enthusiasts have tried it. i guess ya'll didnt see RobertDIY's video when he'd said "if you want more power out of your NA 850, sell it and get a turbo car..."
and now i see this car in FCPs parking lot with rusty rotors and the trunk packed with parts just sitting.
some lighter rims would probably help. pegs look great but they are heavy.
Oh yeah, Pegs definitely aren't lightweight 😂. We plan to put the 850 on a major weight loss program!
Put the BTCC livery on it.
Season 2. 2003 Passat 1.8T Wagon.
Probably a silly thing to say, but you do know the 850 touring cars had quiet a special cylinder head on them?
Of course! A very special rule-bending cylinder head! Our cylinder head is nowhere near as special, but we still hope to develop this engine and car further.
I think a supercharging is in order.
SALUDOS DESDE PANAMÁ Y EXCELENTE VÍDEO. POR FAVOR ME PUEDES DECIR EN ESPAÑOL, MUCHAS GRACIAS Y TENGO UN 850 AUTOMÁTICO IGUAL COLOR , PERO NO WAGON ES UN SEDAN. NECESITO UNOS SENSORES Y REPUESTOS PARA EL. VOLVO. CHAOOO🤗🤗😃😃😃🇵🇦🇵🇦🇵🇦🇵🇦😀😀
Didnt the volvo v70R dont come with turbo engins?
I really wanna know what exhaust setup you have.....it sounds sooooo good
Factory 850 non-egr exhaust manifold, with a straight pipe to a twin loop muffler. It sounds pretty awesome, but we have plans to make an even better exhaust with a custom long tube header!
@@fcpeuro cant wait! What diameter exhaust is it?
Why not try out itb instead of standard intake? :)
Are you looking at our diary?!
Love love the videos but there's a reason why Volvo had to do SOO much to make big power NA out of that engine.
Why are yall running it so rich? for n/a you should be around 13.0ish AFR, the further away from 12 the better, up to a point where it runs to lean and loses power or burns a hole in the piston.
do an e85 conversion and port the head.
do ITB's
Maybe enem can grind an NA cam to gain some more power?
Wow I’m an idiot I have watched this whole series and I thought they where swapping in a T5, that original engine was a beauty, would have made the same power with just a manual swap intake and exhaust
Damn now I want a NA volvo now maybe a gen 2 s40 could make some good power
Get a turbo model, you wont regret it. I would also recommend getting a pre 99 volvo, sadly they will outlast any newer ones.
The BTCC S40 had a 5 cylinder shoehorned in. made over 300hp N/A they were a beast.
@@stanleybacklund5614 I own a S40 T4 stock 200hp nice car and quick..but doesn't have the pull of my 850R.
@@nicko6710 im not saying its impossible, but building out the motors like that takes at least $10k
@@stanleybacklund5614 yes but only 15hp over stock seems like there is a big block to the HP. It is a 2.4 Litre motor so even 200hp should be achievable. white blocks don't breath that badly do they?
when will season 2 be out!?
How is the balance of the car with the 9k springs up front?
The car feels awesome with the 9k springs up front! We still need to corner balance and set up the alignment but we can't wait to test it all out on the track!
Its fun you are doing this but...my 99 stock Honda crv is 147hp....maybe im not getting it because im stupid and dont know enough about engines
Is season 2 still happening???
Next season,do an 850 turbo/r swap.
No turbo???