American here. For all of the problems my country has, I'm glad that at least where I live, this kind of thing is not an issue. There really isn't much traffic enforcement, yet there doesn't seem to have been a significant uptick in wrecks, and the sky has not fallen. The stories I've heard about the draconian traffic laws and enforcement in the U.K. on the other hand are positively Orwellian. Things have come to a pretty pass when drug dealers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other scum seemingly operate with impunity, while tax paying and otherwise law abiding citizens are hassled, surveilled, and repeatedly robbed by the state. These kinds of double standards undermine the social contract and erode the legitimacy of government.
A superb explanation Dave! After 44 years on the road and 1 sp30 or sp40......can't remember which, other than it was on Crossflatts back in the eighties.........and a speed awareness course.....I really was aggrieved about that one but didn't challenge it, I consider myself a safe and courteous driver. I have also, on one occasion been given guidance by the white caps......as a young daft lad........the eighties again......as I wheelied straight past a traffic officer on his flat twin BMW!! Now he gave young (not so) "dangerous" Dave a good old talking to.......and it worked!!! The automation of detection results in just one thing.........the raising of vast revenues from those of us who actually comply with all the necessary "paperwork" required to own and operate a vehicle. It's becoming just too "1984" for me. A proper bollocking is never forgotten........somehow, an automated computer generated kick in the nuts just promotes resentment of a system loaded against otherwise decent people. Rant over!! Beautiful ride out there Dave.......struggling to identify it though????? Oooh......as regards the combination lock, I did chuckle I'm afraid.......my money is on the wife again!!🤣 Go steady! Dave (N. Yorks) 👍
@@thebingleywheeler Dave........I hate to say it but your missus is getting out of control! I lost control of mine years ago and it's too late for me......save yourself mate!!🤣🤣🤞🤞Dave (N. Yorks)
Just to say regardless of the content on your channel the camera definition is beyond reproach and makes for stunning viewing. Thanks for the vistas and 'wittering', keep it up.
I am going back a few years ago, but I challenged a speed offence, while driving HGV. I was doing 49 mph in a 50 mph limit on cruise control, in a average speed camera zone, they said I was averaged 55! at no time I had not travelled above 53 mph. When I produced a tachograph copy along with the tachograph calibration certificate which was done fortnight earlier in court it was thrown out of court, it also turned out the (unsafety) cameras was not in date with the calibration, I was lucky enough to have both a Transport and my Transport Company back myself up on this case, I was just glad I was not on my motorcycle or car where I would not been able to produce a recorded reading (by law) & certification.
Regarding doner kebabs; my sneaky daughter told my gullible teenage grandson that the oozing column of rotating flesh skewered in front of gas burners was baby elephant leg. He hasn’t touched one since. Not sure I want to genetically own up to either of them!😂😂
Watch for the white square dots in the road. Usually 1/4 mile apart I think. Institute of Advanced Motorist training is based on the Roadcraft handbook. Well worth doing on a bike plus you get to meet a great bunch of riders and have an excuse to get out on your bike all year round.
Having been on training courses run by lock companies such as Chubb and Abus, I do not advise using combination locks, no matter how expensive, because they have fewer levers and can never be as secure as a keyed lock. As you've found, they're also more prone to failure. Expensive combination locks are simply more strongly made - to resist brute force attacks - but their real weakness is the combination itself, which can be discovered if you know certain information about the make and model of the lock. Can't say much more than that here or I'd be telling people how to break into your garage !
Years ago we used to see how fast we could go down the runway at an airfield near York with a traffic cop club member using his VASCAR. The fastest turned out to be a Camaro beating my 1.6 Capri, who would have thought it.
Elvington? I used to have a key for the crash gate in the early nineties. I could drive/ride on the main runway (10,000 ft plus) any time foc! Youth is wasted on the young!
Talking about police training. I have noticed that, in France, for motorcycle police/Gendarmes, seem to like to take candidates with no motorcycle riding experience (for obvious reasons - no bad habits etc.). I used to watch, from an office window, the new intake falling off their motorcycles on their first day, go through their normal motorcycle training, taking their part 2 test, then on to Police motorcycle training. Fascinating to watch especially when you saw them towards the end of their course making progress through the traffic on the ring road having seen them drop their bikes on day one. Fun fact, they are taught to shoot their personal firearm with their left hand, while riding, and have to pass a test (annually I believe) doing so 😮
Same thing happened to me, lost the key to the shed and my grinder was in it, luckily a guy who works in a local hardware store let me borrow a used one to cut the lock off, I then purchased a very overpriced padlock from his shop as some sort of payment which was a good deal considering 🙂
I'm in Guiseley. Such a shame you weren't able to ask your subs for a lend of their angle grinders. Maybe next time if there's a next time hahaha. I bought an Asgard garage (Bradford made) because I wanted an all-in solution for security. Expensive but very reassuring
Any chance you could upload a ride with commentary as a police officer would ride the roads, I would be interested to see the driving and riding standards of other road users through the eyes of an experienced ex traffic cop, I'm sure other folks b interested to watch,
To be fair I rode from Yorkshire to the ace Caffe in London and that's where it all went wrong haha. I got done by an average speed camera on a 4 lane road that I thought was faster than the 40mph that it actually is. Now a speed sign would have been a great help and I could have avoided the situation altogether. Anyway i can confirm that it's definitely worth a visit if you have not ridden down to the ace Caffe then put it on a list. Enjoying the content 👍🏻
As usual, an informative and beautifully laid out explanation of a prickly subject and another lovely ride out. Apropos nowt, but I'm watching this whilst the news is on the TV.... Looked up and got the shock of my life. I saw TBW, sat right next to Benjamin Netanyahu!!! 😳........... Yoav Gallant BTW.
quick question based on the quote at the end of your video "Speedometers in private cars and motorcycles are not normally calibrated to evidential standards and in isolation cannot form the basis of a conviction for the specific offence of exceeding the speed limit in England and Wales"... So does this mean if someone filmed my, ahem, sorry, themselves and the speedo is showing 85mph, they are otherwise driving/riding sensibly in accordance to the conditions etc (ie not weaving across lanes and generally being stupid), keeping up with "some" of the traffic also on that road, that if "someone else" got hold of that video footage, that footage alone wouldn't be enough to prosecute? Asking for a friend... 😁
A quick question if I may. I was caught leaving a N Yorkshire village doing 37 approximately 100m before the 40 sign by a traffic cop with a handheld radar, on my meteor 350 🫣. Never had a speeding ticket before and being of a certain age started to think that this would turn out to be a telling off only. Oh no! He stated that the radar device immediately sent my speed to a facility that logged it and there was nothing he could do. Apologies for the long explanation, but was that the case. Cheers. Tom
They don't use radar anymore, they use laser hand held devices. They show speed and distance towards the device, speed and distance travelling away from the device which is displayed on the screen by a negative sign. These devices do not record vehicle index's as they have no facility to do so.
@@frankspeakmore7104 Thanks for the reply. So basically, the whippersnapper lied to me. Ah well. He probably got his quota for the day. BTW, I got a speed awareness course so no great hassle. And yes, I did learn something new. Cheers
Was this person definitely a serving police officer, Tom? There is an ex police officer who rides a motorbike emblazoned with police markings but he's actually a civillian and works for the North Yorkshire camera partnership. He covers the whole district. The reason I ask is because he stepped out, pulled over and rebuked a lady whom i know, when she skidded the car in front of him after panic braking. He's not a serving police officer and shouldn't be pulling people over. If it's the same fellow (grey hair, late 50s/early 60s?) he needs reporting really.
@@drewiediggler1 Yes he was. In a fully marked car, hidden around a corner, and his buddy 200m down the road in case I didn't pull in when requested. Your guy seems a bit of a c**k end.
I find most people ride or drive within or up to speed limits, what really brasses me off is when the camera van is placed at the bottom of a hill where a 30mph runs into a 40mph purely to catch people who are not breaking, this is purely cash generating, dick Turpin wore a mask.
What's your View on Motorcycles Getting Parking Tickets ? I was advised by a Parking warden Not To place a Pay & Display On My Kawasaki as anyone could Take it & use it for their Car I Said can Just keep the Ticket With me? " No it has to be Displayed On the Vehicle!"
@@michaelcutts2760 good Idea mind you some one Could just Take it just for Devilment Parking for Bikes used to Be Free in Northampton but they Have Removed the Bike Bays To fit more Cars in some you Have to Pay Online that can be a Nightmare to Navigate
Ok so you lost the keys to the bike now forgot the number for the combination lock 🤪 I do have great respect for the police and some 25 years ago I was ask to assist with surveillance of an illegal establishment from a property I was living in a very stressful time when my wife called me advise she was worried about individuals outside the property I jump into the car at work was napped speeding which I was the police where very helpful still had to pay the fine but in court didn’t lose my license and was invited the the police Christmas party my wife and I where honoured to attend.
Nice if they had average speed cameras on motorways , just too much traffic on them now in my opinion. Cant understand why so many drivers are in such a rush...
State of Ohio US used VASCAR from aircraft. They have large white paint block marks spaced out on the road way and then they would have chase down cars or motorcycles which the small plane would radio down the offending vehicle. And of course if the vehicle tried to make a run for it the aircraft is already there to track them down. 😎
Still do that in WI. I started with ground VASCAR, then the KR-10, moving units and the HR-8’s then, I got certified in LIDAR, the laser units before retiring. I hated working traffic because I had tickets when I was young. So I didn’t waste my time with anything less than 15 over, where people are going to get seriously hurt. For instance, going 60 in a 45 zone, you’re traveling at 88ft per second instead of 66ft per second. With an average 3/4 second reaction time, you’re not going to stop before collision. People don’t do the math anymore, and they get hurt, or hurt others. 😢
You should watch the lock picking lawyer. He would have it open in a very short time ( most of his videos never last longer than 3 mins) shocking when you considered how easy he gets into your expensive lock 🔐
He is an expert though and as he always says lock picking by thieves is almost non existent, they are far more likely to use disc cutters. This is the reason I use Litelok X3 and X1 locks on my bikes. They can still be cut but the x1 takes five times as long using diamond cutting discs and requires 3 discs and the X3 takes 15 times as long taking 5 discs. They can still be cut but chances are the thieves will go elsewhere, they are motorcycle diamond rated. They are the highest rating you can buy.
Hi very interesting vlog as always but am amazed you failed to address the time limit of 14 days to issue a notice of intended prosecution that must be given or the offence is invalid. Sorry if i am wrong its just what i have been told.
I think nowadays trying to assess what speed limit applies to the road you are on is becoming harder and harder, you can’t rely on the old lampposts 100m apart as a true guide. Like some of your other subscribers I do think the more diligent you are with the required paperwork, insurance etc then you are more likely to accept your punishment, pay the fine , do the course than these scroats without any paperwork. Police and courts don’t really deter these people.
So if you contest a ticket in court and found guilty, is the penalty more plus courts costs/fees vs if you just paid the ticket at the start? Wouldn’t it be cool if everyone contested every ticket? The courts couldn’t handle that volume.
@thebingleywheeler Recently, I pulled up on the bike alongside an RCMP officer in his patrol car and asked if he was aware that he was straddling the curb/grass/road and that he had stopped at a roadside fire-hydrant? He bluntly replied that there wasn't a fire hydrant and he could stop where wants to. Another time we were stopped by RCMP I politely asked why. The answer was that motorcycles go out on sunny days without insurance! Never been stopped on the bike any offense but many times for a "Routine Check" 😅😅 I could write a short book...❤
American here. For all of the problems my country has, I'm glad that at least where I live, this kind of thing is not an issue. There really isn't much traffic enforcement, yet there doesn't seem to have been a significant uptick in wrecks, and the sky has not fallen. The stories I've heard about the draconian traffic laws and enforcement in the U.K. on the other hand are positively Orwellian.
Things have come to a pretty pass when drug dealers, murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and other scum seemingly operate with impunity, while tax paying and otherwise law abiding citizens are hassled, surveilled, and repeatedly robbed by the state. These kinds of double standards undermine the social contract and erode the legitimacy of government.
A superb explanation Dave! After 44 years on the road and 1 sp30 or sp40......can't remember which, other than it was on Crossflatts back in the eighties.........and a speed awareness course.....I really was aggrieved about that one but didn't challenge it, I consider myself a safe and courteous driver. I have also, on one occasion been given guidance by the white caps......as a young daft lad........the eighties again......as I wheelied straight past a traffic officer on his flat twin BMW!! Now he gave young (not so) "dangerous" Dave a good old talking to.......and it worked!!! The automation of detection results in just one thing.........the raising of vast revenues from those of us who actually comply with all the necessary "paperwork" required to own and operate a vehicle. It's becoming just too "1984" for me. A proper bollocking is never forgotten........somehow, an automated computer generated kick in the nuts just promotes resentment of a system loaded against otherwise decent people. Rant over!! Beautiful ride out there Dave.......struggling to identify it though????? Oooh......as regards the combination lock, I did chuckle I'm afraid.......my money is on the wife again!!🤣
Go steady!
Dave (N. Yorks) 👍
Very well put Dave and yes I’m beginning to think she’s the culprit. I’m sure I caught her googling how to remove motorcycle spark plugs recently 😂
@@thebingleywheeler Dave........I hate to say it but your missus is getting out of control! I lost control of mine years ago and it's too late for me......save yourself mate!!🤣🤣🤞🤞Dave (N. Yorks)
Looks like the road from Lofthouse to Masham.
Just to say regardless of the content on your channel the camera definition is beyond reproach and makes for stunning viewing. Thanks for the vistas and 'wittering', keep it up.
I am going back a few years ago, but I challenged a speed offence, while driving HGV. I was doing 49 mph in a 50 mph limit on cruise control, in a average speed camera zone, they said I was averaged 55! at no time I had not travelled above 53 mph. When I produced a tachograph copy along with the tachograph calibration certificate which was done fortnight earlier in court it was thrown out of court, it also turned out the (unsafety) cameras was not in date with the calibration, I was lucky enough to have both a Transport and my Transport Company back myself up on this case, I was just glad I was not on my motorcycle or car where I would not been able to produce a recorded reading (by law) & certification.
Good for you making that challenge pal and a great result….just goes to show what can be achieved 👍🏻
Regarding doner kebabs; my sneaky daughter told my gullible teenage grandson that the oozing column of rotating flesh skewered in front of gas burners was baby elephant leg. He hasn’t touched one since.
Not sure I want to genetically own up to either of them!😂😂
Watch for the white square dots in the road. Usually 1/4 mile apart I think. Institute of Advanced Motorist training is based on the Roadcraft handbook. Well worth doing on a bike plus you get to meet a great bunch of riders and have an excuse to get out on your bike all year round.
Having been on training courses run by lock companies such as Chubb and Abus, I do not advise using combination locks, no matter how expensive, because they have fewer levers and can never be as secure as a keyed lock. As you've found, they're also more prone to failure.
Expensive combination locks are simply more strongly made - to resist brute force attacks - but their real weakness is the combination itself, which can be discovered if you know certain information about the make and model of the lock.
Can't say much more than that here or I'd be telling people how to break into your garage !
Very interesting, thank you.
Years ago we used to see how fast we could go down the runway at an airfield near York with a traffic cop club member using his VASCAR. The fastest turned out to be a Camaro beating my 1.6 Capri, who would have thought it.
You should’ve had the 3.0 S model 😎
Elvington? I used to have a key for the crash gate in the early nineties. I could drive/ride on the main runway (10,000 ft plus) any time foc! Youth is wasted on the young!
The roadcraft book is a very interesting book to have and well worth reading. It's high time I bought a new copy.
Talking about police training. I have noticed that, in France, for motorcycle police/Gendarmes, seem to like to take candidates with no motorcycle riding experience (for obvious reasons - no bad habits etc.). I used to watch, from an office window, the new intake falling off their motorcycles on their first day, go through their normal motorcycle training, taking their part 2 test, then on to Police motorcycle training. Fascinating to watch especially when you saw them towards the end of their course making progress through the traffic on the ring road having seen them drop their bikes on day one.
Fun fact, they are taught to shoot their personal firearm with their left hand, while riding, and have to pass a test (annually I believe) doing so 😮
Very interesting piece on speeding and the Laws surrounding it 🤔
Nice one Dave lol. Great stream 👍👍👍👍Ride safe and keep them coming
Same thing happened to me, lost the key to the shed and my grinder was in it, luckily a guy who works in a local hardware store let me borrow a used one to cut the lock off, I then purchased a very overpriced padlock from his shop as some sort of payment which was a good deal considering 🙂
I'm in Guiseley. Such a shame you weren't able to ask your subs for a lend of their angle grinders. Maybe next time if there's a next time hahaha. I bought an Asgard garage (Bradford made) because I wanted an all-in solution for security. Expensive but very reassuring
Any chance you could upload a ride with commentary as a police officer would ride the roads, I would be interested to see the driving and riding standards of other road users through the eyes of an experienced ex traffic cop, I'm sure other folks b interested to watch,
Going equipped! Surprised you didn’t get arrested.😂
To be fair I rode from Yorkshire to the ace Caffe in London and that's where it all went wrong haha. I got done by an average speed camera on a 4 lane road that I thought was faster than the 40mph that it actually is. Now a speed sign would have been a great help and I could have avoided the situation altogether. Anyway i can confirm that it's definitely worth a visit if you have not ridden down to the ace Caffe then put it on a list. Enjoying the content 👍🏻
You are very brave to have your speed so visible 😊
It’s not a calibrated Speedo 😂
As usual, an informative and beautifully laid out explanation of a prickly subject and another lovely ride out. Apropos nowt, but I'm watching this whilst the news is on the TV.... Looked up and got the shock of my life. I saw TBW, sat right next to Benjamin Netanyahu!!! 😳........... Yoav Gallant BTW.
Ha ha…..but our views would be a million miles apart! 😎👍🏻
@@thebingleywheeler I'd hope so my friend, . I think he rides the Dr Strangelove 500.
sounds like my kind of day ;; more money ,, as for this video -- beautiful ride out scenery ;;
quick question based on the quote at the end of your video "Speedometers in private cars and motorcycles are not normally calibrated to evidential standards and in isolation cannot form the basis of a conviction for the specific offence of exceeding the speed limit in England and Wales"...
So does this mean if someone filmed my, ahem, sorry, themselves and the speedo is showing 85mph, they are otherwise driving/riding sensibly in accordance to the conditions etc (ie not weaving across lanes and generally being stupid), keeping up with "some" of the traffic also on that road, that if "someone else" got hold of that video footage, that footage alone wouldn't be enough to prosecute? Asking for a friend... 😁
A quick question if I may. I was caught leaving a N Yorkshire village doing 37 approximately 100m before the 40 sign by a traffic cop with a handheld radar, on my meteor 350 🫣. Never had a speeding ticket before and being of a certain age started to think that this would turn out to be a telling off only. Oh no! He stated that the radar device immediately sent my speed to a facility that logged it and there was nothing he could do. Apologies for the long explanation, but was that the case. Cheers. Tom
They don't use radar anymore, they use laser hand held devices. They show speed and distance towards the device, speed and distance travelling away from the device which is displayed on the screen by a negative sign. These devices do not record vehicle index's as they have no facility to do so.
@@frankspeakmore7104 Thanks for the reply. So basically, the whippersnapper lied to me. Ah well. He probably got his quota for the day. BTW, I got a speed awareness course so no great hassle. And yes, I did learn something new. Cheers
Was this person definitely a serving police officer, Tom? There is an ex police officer who rides a motorbike emblazoned with police markings but he's actually a civillian and works for the North Yorkshire camera partnership. He covers the whole district.
The reason I ask is because he stepped out, pulled over and rebuked a lady whom i know, when she skidded the car in front of him after panic braking.
He's not a serving police officer and shouldn't be pulling people over.
If it's the same fellow (grey hair, late 50s/early 60s?) he needs reporting really.
@@drewiediggler1 Yes he was. In a fully marked car, hidden around a corner, and his buddy 200m down the road in case I didn't pull in when requested.
Your guy seems a bit of a c**k end.
I find most people ride or drive within or up to speed limits, what really brasses me off is when the camera van is placed at the bottom of a hill where a 30mph runs into a 40mph purely to catch people who are not breaking, this is purely cash generating, dick Turpin wore a mask.
Yes, there’s one of these mobile “hill” cameras on the A338 in Wiltshire. So easy to get caught out by them.
The last time that I did some speeding, I was in desperate need of a toilet. Happily all turned good.
What's your View on Motorcycles
Getting Parking Tickets ?
I was advised by a Parking warden
Not To place a Pay & Display On
My Kawasaki as anyone could
Take it & use it for their Car
I Said can Just keep the Ticket
With me? " No it has to be Displayed
On the Vehicle!"
Write your registration number on the ticket,,, Then display on your bike,,,,
@@michaelcutts2760 good Idea mind you some one Could just Take it just for
Devilment Parking for Bikes used to
Be Free in Northampton but they
Have Removed the Bike Bays
To fit more Cars in some you
Have to Pay Online that can be
a Nightmare to Navigate
I got one on the bike once and successfully appealed it…..it’s silly to ticket bikes
Ok so you lost the keys to the bike now forgot the number for the combination lock 🤪 I do have great respect for the police and some 25 years ago I was ask to assist with surveillance of an illegal establishment from a property I was living in a very stressful time when my wife called me advise she was worried about individuals outside the property I jump into the car at work was napped speeding which I was the police where very helpful still had to pay the fine but in court didn’t lose my license and was invited the the police Christmas party my wife and I where honoured to attend.
Nice if they had average speed cameras on motorways , just too much traffic on them now in my opinion. Cant understand why so many drivers are in such a rush...
State of Ohio US used VASCAR from aircraft. They have large white paint block marks spaced out on the road way and then they would have chase down cars or motorcycles which the small plane would radio down the offending vehicle. And of course if the vehicle tried to make a run for it the aircraft is already there to track them down. 😎
Still do that in WI. I started with ground VASCAR, then the KR-10, moving units and the HR-8’s then, I got certified in LIDAR, the laser units before retiring. I hated working traffic because I had tickets when I was young. So I didn’t waste my time with anything less than 15 over, where people are going to get seriously hurt. For instance, going 60 in a 45 zone, you’re traveling at 88ft per second instead of 66ft per second. With an average 3/4 second reaction time, you’re not going to stop before collision. People don’t do the math anymore, and they get hurt, or hurt others. 😢
@RideaGoodRoad very well said sir agree completely
Speeding tickets, and closing police stations, are so much easier than solving crime.
You should watch the lock picking lawyer. He would have it open in a very short time ( most of his videos never last longer than 3 mins) shocking when you considered how easy he gets into your expensive lock 🔐
He is an expert though and as he always says lock picking by thieves is almost non existent, they are far more likely to use disc cutters. This is the reason I use Litelok X3 and X1 locks on my bikes. They can still be cut but the x1 takes five times as long using diamond cutting discs and requires 3 discs and the X3 takes 15 times as long taking 5 discs. They can still be cut but chances are the thieves will go elsewhere, they are motorcycle diamond rated. They are the highest rating you can buy.
Record Dave !!!
A gobby Yorkie on a speed awareness course? I'm amazed you passed 😂
Moved keys ,jammed locks and you could have had screwfix deliver you new angle grinder and bits. I blame eddie , LOL
Hi very interesting vlog as always but am amazed you failed to address the time limit of 14 days to issue a notice of intended prosecution that must be given or the offence is invalid. Sorry if i am wrong its just what i have been told.
Yes but the NIP forms part of the notice to keeper
I think nowadays trying to assess what speed limit applies to the road you are on is becoming harder and harder, you can’t rely on the old lampposts 100m apart as a true guide.
Like some of your other subscribers I do think the more diligent you are with the required paperwork, insurance etc then you are more likely to accept your punishment, pay the fine , do the course than these scroats without any paperwork.
Police and courts don’t really deter these people.
So if you contest a ticket in court and found guilty, is the penalty more plus courts costs/fees vs if you just paid the ticket at the start? Wouldn’t it be cool if everyone contested every ticket? The courts couldn’t handle that volume.
Yes always a bigger penalty at court
What exactly is being said?🙄
Pay attention and you’d find out 😂
Vehicle average speed calculator and recorder
Mobile cash generator you mean 😂
That’s the one pal 😎👍🏻
It amazes me that police can brake the road traffic act and park on the kerb to enforce speeding in a van parked their .
They shouldn’t be doing that and it won’t be a police officer anyway it will be a civvy
@@thebingleywheeler so would a ticket still be valid if this is the case ? Or could you. Fight it
@thebingleywheeler
Recently, I pulled up on the bike alongside an RCMP officer in his patrol car and asked if he was aware that he was straddling the curb/grass/road and that he had stopped at a roadside fire-hydrant?
He bluntly replied that there wasn't a fire hydrant and he could stop where wants to.
Another time we were stopped by RCMP I politely asked why. The answer was that motorcycles go out on sunny days without insurance!
Never been stopped on the bike any offense but many times for a "Routine Check" 😅😅
I could write a short book...❤
No the ticket would still be valid as the offence is still proved