I prefer to focus on the top 5 so... 1) Scorpion. Call me predictable, but it's just a great episode and I think I like it a bit more than the Best of Both Worlds 2) Life Line. I love the Doctor and seeing him travel back to help his 'dad' is great, letting him see just how much the Doctor has grown despite at first not wanting to. Also great to see Counselor Troi again 3) Nothing Human. Just a great episode that tackles an uncomfortable topic and don't wimp out, leaving it up to the viewer to make up their own minds on whether using tainted research is good or bad, and giving us a good look at just how nasty the Cardassians were to the Bajorans, something not really talked about outside DS9 4) Bride of Chaotica. This is what I think the Holodeck was made for. Goofy, silly, fun that doesn't take itself seriously and you can tell everyone had a blast making it. And some of them failed at not laughing at some of the lines they had to say which just makes it even more charming to me. 5) Dark Frontier. A really good look at Seven, with a good use of the Borg Queen as the Devil whispering in her ear and when she finally had to fully confront that the Borg are truly monsters who turn those they abuse into mere tools with no regard to their well-being. A good step for Seven deciding to take the aspects of the Borg she felt were good and mixing them with her humanity.
I just realize I can't name a top 5 although the series is 2nd or 3rd for me. But it can't reach anywhere near the seasons 5 thru 7 of DS9 with pale moonlight being the best. By far. Voyager has many good but no outstanding episodes for me. With DS9 only Breaking Bad and the German series Dark (Netflix, excellent, time travel without plot holes) can compete.
Top in no order Course oblivion Living Witness Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy Timeless Year of Hell Bottom The Fight Sacred ground Barge of the dead Fury Q and the grey
I had made, throughout the history of the channel, comments saying which episodes are in my top 5/10 with an honorable top 5 EMH episodes. I am not going to bother cataloging them all because I dont even remember which is what place at my list
I probably would have been for that 30 years ago. But today, I've had my fill of dark and gritty sci-fi. Something like Equinox or Year in Hell are good on occasion, but give me the more utopian stuff that Star Trek does. I have a thousand other options for dark drama. Star Trek is pretty much the only thing that acts like humans can improve. And even that is rare today. But I'm also the oddball that hates DS9.
Tuvix should have been a turning character point for the two. Neelix understand the Vulcan stoicism and Tuvok understands the barriers that Neelix puts up. The two share what happened and what it was like to see a man condemned to die.
So far the most successful Trek show since Voyager has been Discovery just barely making 5 seasons. So Voyager can hang its hat on that, it's outlasted 4 other shows, 5 if you count ToS.
@@tonyjackson4078 Tbf, it's not a fair comparison. The TV landscape is vastly different now than from when Voyager was created. TV scheduled and major networks dominated the landscape, whereas now many streaming services compete strongly with the remaining TV networks and shows are more frequently greenlit and cancelled. To me, the series most shaping up to become the new best trek is SNW, but it needs more series under its belt before it can dethrone DS9. Lower Decks is a pretty good trek show though I don't find it very funny.
I do want to mention: I really liked the Thaw episode. That one in particular was one of my favorites and really plays out fear to me. As for the series, I had wished they focused a bit more on the alien side of things. One in particular I found great in Voyager was the different and alien ways of communication that are more than just verbal and translated. Yes, this makes the writing very hard or could go stale really quickly, but there is a reason we still talk about "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"! Star Trek is almost always at its best when they explore the alien, when they throw communication at a wall and sees what sticks, when they find it difficult and foreign.
why were so many aliens - removed LIGHTYEARS from the alpha quadrant just.... exactly human / human adjacent shaped -___- and ye i know - budget. SHAKA - WHEN THE WALLS FELL
@@shabello but we also have an in-universe explanation for why there are so many humanoid species out there: the ancient humanoids from TNG: The Chase.
My picks for Voyagers best episodes in no order: Year of Hell, Parts 1 & 2 Scorpion, Parts 1 & 2 Equinox, Parts 1 & 2 Timeless Message In A Bottle Pathfinder Tinker. Tenor. Doctor, Spy Renaissance Man Tuvix Course Oblivion Worst Case Scenario
That and photon torpedoes. Tbf, they could have traded for manufacturing time to make replacements, which could have been an interesting morale dilemma - Starfleet's photon torpedoes where more advanced than many of the weapons used by species in the early areas of the delta quadrant, and even with safe guards, any species that they got to manufacture parts or spares could have potential insights or out right schematics for advanced weapons.
I maintain that Janeway was never required to uphold the temporal prime directive since it doesn't exist for her Starfleet. That's like expecting someone now to obey laws that won't be written for another 500 years.
I must confess as an oldie viewer, I didn't see DS9, when it was broadcast. But, I can imagine the social media reaction if that'd been about. The outrage at the longer narrative, the introduction of religion, a concept the federation was meant to have outgrown. The recognition that money still existed. It might well not have run as long as it did...
It's still the Trek I find myself rewatching the most, after TNG. It's very easy to just pick an episode at random and jump in. Many would say the lack of change and consequence was a detriment, but 45 mins of self-contained entertainment is what I want from TV. Now everything is a multi-season long marathon.
I think DS9 for most of its run and Strange New Worlds do a good comprise of having long running threads through the show that enhance the individual episode on viewing if you're aware of them in context but do work without and have stories that stand alone fine. Unlike, say, Sherlock, where everything is woven together to the point the show can't breathe and every episode keeps promising to tell a story but never does.
Can't say I've been here since the VERY first day, but as someone watching since early season 1...WOW. This has been a fantastic Journey (I should have said Voyage. Damn). Can't wait to follow over to the Wheel in the Sky. That's what everyone calls it, right?
I liked the episodes wherein Jeri Ryan got to shine, as when the Doctor took over her body or when several different personalities possessed her. She showed she was a pretty good actress/actor.
Remembering your review I never expected Threshhold to end up int he bottom 5. You brought something different to the discussion for that episode that I don't think I've heard anyone mention before. Must be that spicy brain of your's.
Best (in no particular order): Basics, Course: Oblivion, Scorpion, Night, Living Witness Worst: Threshold, The Fight, 11:59. Though I'm definitely of the opinion that worse than being bad is being so boring it leaves no impression on me at all, so the worst episode(s) is probably one that could be best described as "The one where that random crew member turns up and makes a big deal out of something anyone with half a brain cell should have resolved in 5 minutes" (I have no particular episode in mind, but I'm sure such episodes exist). Threshold may be nonsensical, but "Tom Paris goes impossibly fast and turns into a lizard" is at least not easily forgotten.
Ya know thinking about what Voyager COULD have been reminds me a bit of what BattleStar Galactica 2004 was. Sure BSG was more nuanced and they were dealing with restructuring a whole civilization and so forth, but the parallels of them travelling tens of thousands of lightyears to get home is core to both of them. No surprise Ronald D Moore was involved with both and I think his departure from the StarTrekverse had a lot to do with the higher ups saying we can't have a more serialised show. Also - Captain Harry Kim show when?
From the interview Ron Moore gave shortly after leaving VOY, what pushed him to leave Trek was a combination of writer apathy towards the characters and a toxic work environment. The final straw was, while writing “Barge of the Dead,” he asked someone what Torres would do in a specific situation and was met with the equivalent to that Reddit shruggie emoji. He’s probably one of the very few classic Trek writers I would want anywhere near the franchise today but he’s smart enough not to come back. He’s get way more creative freedom, but the current fandom today wants to remain in 1994 :/
Thanks for your thoughtful review. Jayneway is my favorite Captain by far (not necessarily Best). Of the original 5 series, TNG and Voyager tied as my favorite series, depending on season or story arc. I agree about Jayneway not having a backstory (the feeble 11:59 proof of her own sketchy memory)
Thank you for this whole series of reviews. You have brightened many an evening for me, in times of desolation. Very much looking forward to your viewpoint on DS9.
my favourite part was where they could travel non-stop at warp 9.9 for a solid year and somehow still come across seska. Was legit surprised she wasn't on Earth to greet Chakotay
Dude the amount of travel related bullshit in voyager....... Remember the Episode where they come across that guy who built a catapult with tech from the caretaker? The fckn driveless reactor made it there faster than voyager. Also, they did not stick around and klep the thing so they could, yknow, build new catapults and bunny hop or something....
I have to repeat this from all the other ones I've watched.... I absolutely adore your reviews of my favourite Star Trek series.The dry shade you throw and the hilariously perfect nicknames delight me in my soul and I thank you for making the last twelve months seem that losing a loved one isn't really the end of life and there are things to appreciate and enjoy and laugh at. Had I any money, I'd definitely be on your patreon buying my way into the diving treasury. To point a firework stick at my foot and poop yellow at it perhaps, I loved Threshold despite the stupid story. I'm just able to suspend my disbelief for it, so it was nice that you acknowledged how bad it is, but with a certain fondness for how good it could have been. Maybe I need to find a time wibbly to go back and watch it with the seething hatred others have for it.
Voyager had potential, but it was always stifled by Berman's handling of the series. The Doctor, Neelix, Seven, Naomi, Tom and B'Ellana got the best of it by far, and that's the saddest part of all. If everyone got the kind of love and attention they did, the series would be infinitely better. Special mention to Lon Suder, who was only around for a couple of episodes but had one of the greatest arcs in Trek. Rest in Peace, sir.
10:57 What if Seska succeed impregnating herself with Chakotay's child. And manage to escape with him/her. And that lost effects Chakotay. And Seska being the [person she is] toys with Voyager and Chakotay using the child. And maybe having a child might soften her heart, just a little bit. (but not too much.) Think of the episodes where they forced to temporary team up, only for Seska to betray them. Which party outsmarts who? What becomes of the child? What if Seska child ages up for some science reason. And not the child is older? Does the child join the crew? (I'm stopping before more ideas come running out of my mind.)
Thanks for these reviews. I loved this series overall. Your take on it is entertaining...and makes me chuckle too at times. Your voice is also very soothing.
I've enjoyed the journey of watching your takes on every episode. It's been a trip. I agree with most of your top and bottom list but i was a bit saddened to see projections on your bottom 5, it's one of my favourite episodes
Minor corrections: TNG's Big Bad was actually the Romulans. The Borg had the threatening stakes, but weren't all that often used. The Cardassians had a similar thing in TNG, minus the large-scale stakes of the Borg (though the personal stakes were still real). The Klingons are out, so its just the Spicy Vulcans left. Enterprise's Big Bad is actually 3 Baddies in a trenchcoat, but the biggest of them were the Xindi. Followed by the Suliban, and then the Klingons.
Thank you, sir. Looking back over all these Voyager reviews and all the vocabulary words you have taught me, I think my favorite is "bell end". Glad it popped up in the final entry.
Thank you for this exceptional series and for investing so much of your time to bring us this fascinating breakdown of the show. It has been a hoot. Good luck with your next project. I will be an eager viewer. I didn't watch Voyager, so I didn't know what I had missed. In fact I was wrong, I did see the first episode, but was not impressed. As I watched this summary again, I suddenly recalled seeing a really bad Star Trek spoof, late at night while staying in a hotel in London. It was about abducted celebrities in suspended animation on a distant planet. My mind had included Amy Johnson as one of the abductees. Actually, it must have been the Voyager episode entitled 'The 37s'. My goodness it was naff. A mystery solved and your wonderful scripts have made for a rewarding deep dive. Thanks again.
Great series (both Voyager and yours). It's wild to have been through the whole thing and the news that DS9 is getting their own version is fantastic. DS9 is my favorite Trek but Voyager holds a special spot because it was my first exposure to Trek. There's something special about your first time LOL.
Seven of Nine is quite an amazing feat as a character. She is a sex appeal character that they decided to give the most development and i am curious how much of that was intentional and how much was simply a factor of writers being told to give excuses to put her on the screen.
I often think how the crew of the Equinox were more interesting and memorable than seven seasons about Voyager's crew. Think about how this show might have been if Janeway was a lot more like Ransom.
It's a shame that this show had so many flaws. Voyager is the trek that made me dream of space exploration as a kid, so I have fond memories of it. That theme song always makes me feel wistful.
4:06 I for one am looking forward to the "In the Pale Moonlight" episode. It might be a long time coming. But plan ahead and make that episode a good one. Double length? Pease!
I would say Tuvix is a great episode that shows that the correct practical answer may be at odds with the correct ethical or moral answer. It basically smacks the face of that "needs of the many" thing vulcans like to spout off.
The trouble with having a consistent big bad when you are constantly travelling in the direction of away is that you need a reason for them still to be around. Either they are following you for some reason or you aren't moving very far. The obvious solution is what I'd call the Dr Smith strategy, and have the big bad be a member of the crew. Imagine, for example, if Seska had been a much longer burn plot. And then when she's finally revealed they can't leave her behind because she's become symbiotically linked with Janeway and they can't be more than 100 metres apart without both kabooming, or some bollocks, and so have to continue on with her continually sneering at them and occasionally plotting to steal the ship.
I wish they would re-do Voyager, same art style (none of this super dark super massive set design) but with a planned story ark (ala B5) for each season and the overall show. I am dreaming of course, but one should always dream
Sadly the back stories were done by way of the Jeri Taylor books - Mosaic and Pathways. Janeway's background was tragic and Paris is a dick but when you realise he lost his lover, his friends and his career with one accident and was then left to wander aimlessly with no support from his Dad that had been a catalyst for what happened by interfering with Paris' career and you sort of potentially feel bad for the guy.
Thank you for calling out 11:59 as a bad episode. I made a meme about it and posted it to a Star Trek group, and the mods refused it. I guess they like Janeway so much they won't even let someone criticize the obviously bad Janeway eps.
Voyager, for all your failings I still love you. One of my favorite crews in Trek and while the hitting of the reset button all the time got annoying, I still enjoyed it as it showed us a crew traveling from so far and giving the greatest enemy of the Federation a kick in the teeth while they went. And it gave us Seven of Nine and the Doctor, two of the best characters in Star Trek bar none. I hope we see the Doctor again someday in a new show and exploring how his life has gone since leaving Voyager Also Id say that the Big Bads of TNG isn’t the Borg, but the Romulans. The Borg are the big bads of Voyager, at least in my mind
I kinda like Deadlock, which is the doppelganger of the other episode about doppelgangers: Course: Oblivion (which you mentioned in the video). The reason I kinda like it is this: It happens relatively early in the series (S02), and I like the idea that early on you have these duplicates and you don't know which of the two sets is the original set - the original cast of characters that you've been watching since E01 - and some of the duplicates die and the survivors gets mixed together, and so for the rest of the series you're following these characters that are not really the originals. Maybe most of the originals die (although it's ambiguous as to which set is the "original" and which is a copy - maybe both, maybe neither). I thought it was cool idea, but maybe it could have been developed and executed better. There are a lot of directions they could have taken. For example, imagine if one of the copies goes to the other ship and for the rest of the season they use twin actors (or CGI or practical effects) to portray two characters who are copies of each other, which subsequently go on to develop their own character arcs and idiosyncrasies. I couldn't remember the name of the episode, so I searched for "episode of star trek voyager with doubles of the crew" and the AI at the top of the search results said: "In Course: Oblivion [which is not the episode I was looking for], the duplicate Paris and Torres appear to get their sh-t together faster than the real ones, as they're already getting married" which sounds like something that you would say because you use profanity in your videos. I wonder if the AI has been watching your videos and is imitating your style of narration? 😂
Voyager has always been and always will be my favourite Trek. Where there plenty of missed and squandered opportunities yes hell yeah, but I learned to love it as was and embrace the nods that yes they did have to stop and trade even if we rarely got to see it. You outlined well that some of biggest flaws were just things that couldn’t have been avoided. It would have been so nice to get to see the ship get gradually more battered as time went on but I do understand that money and continuity wise that was a big ask and while Voyager would have been so much more with ongoing stories monster of the week stand-alone episodes were the norm at the time for the reasons you mentioned. I kinda of wish we could go back to the beginning and do it all again because this show would have excelled beyond all measures if steaming TV and ongoing arks were the norm.
Hmmm. I guess the reason we never got extensive backstories for the crew is the same reason the ship's appearance never really changed: props and sets cost money. On the other hand, five years after Voyager ended, Lost got underway and that show frequently had whole episodes fleshing out the backstory of its castaways. Those episodes always had tons of extras and new sets... So it can be done. The Doctor invented himself from whole cloth, Seven had a lot of things to learn as well But in the end, I think B'Elanna's character got fleshed out the most. Her relationships with her mother, her father and her Klingon heritage as a whole got full episodes as well. Too bad that on the surface B'Elanna always remained volatile and good with machines.
In my opinion “11:59” is the worst, followed by “fair haven” and “the 37s” All terrible. Best is harder. Off the top of my head, I like “blink of an eye”, “prototype”, “eye of the needle” “the raven” “one” “riddles” and “repression”. Tuvok is my favourite character.
Just restarted the Voyager watch on my loop. This time on paramount. Paris harrassing the betazoid pilot is still cut. They put a shadow over the smiling vulcan nurse. The magnetic constrictor conversation is back but with less back and forth. Kim's needle to the chest is still gone and the turning into a bird dialogue has returned! Voyager is the show they chop up the most.
DS9 is gonna be a fun rewatch but man, I wish the patrons had gone for Enterprise instead. Really feels like the logical next choice after a retrospective that aimed to give Voyager a fair shake despite the bad rap it gets.
I agree with the serialised approach would have served Voyager better, though I wonder if it would have suffered the same fate as Stargate Universe. An interesting story arc, but also its achilles heel
This sorta sums up why I think Enterprise was a lot better than Voyager. It also had a rocky start and didn't flesh out a few of its main characters as much as I'd liked, but they at least made some bold choices, especially in season 3, with showing the crew struggling with a deteriorating ship and even being forced to steal parts from a friendly ship for the greater good. Also seeing the captain of that show go from bright-eyed bushy-tailed boyscout optimist to battle-wary commander was the kind of character progression I really wanted to see from Janeway. The Janeway of Year of Hell is by far my favorite; seeing her run into that burning room to save the ship and having those burns that the Doctor didn't have the means to fully heal game me new appreciation for the character, seeing her at her lowpoint and still being a great captain was riveting. And then they just... took it all away. I still like Voyager, it will always have a special place in my heart, but the wasted opportunity still stings.
I would have liked to see more conflict between Starfleet and Maquis. Another missed opportunity. I still like the explorations of Borg stuff, even if the resolutions were always lame.
As a lover of filler episodes and schlock, I loved Fairhaven and Spirit Folk. Sure they're cheesy and bad, but dammit if they just felt quaint and fun with 0 stakes. These kind of episodes are good for my anxiety.
Voyager should have been a movie. It also should have been called Equinox, because that would have been a good movie. What happened to the Equinox would have been an amazing movie because those people went through it. When it comes to changing sets to remake alien techs all they had to do was throw some different colored film over some lights and call it good. Yes it would have required an excellent spreadsheet to keep stuff straight, but an unpaid intern could have easily handled that. In my opinion “One” is the best episode. It was genuinely scary. I really didn’t know what was real. I felt Seven’s fear. Also the episode where Seven and Naomi are the only ones unaffected by the space wibbly. That one was a brilliant psychological thriller. The idea of belief and hope, and the true meaning of home. Prime directive violation Season 1 episode 1: They got stuck because they were trying to save to Okampa from the pinecone people. That wasn’t their problem to solve. Not dodgy because no matter what the caretaker did it had nothing to do with them. It’s not like where that probe we sent fucked up that planet. Yeah that was our problem to solve.
The the show was just about janeway doing "what needs to be done" she would have used the Caretaker station, left it for the Kazon and there would be no show.
Voyager is my favorite Trek series specifically cause Seven and The Doctor were fantastic characters. Jeri Ryan took a tits and ass character and gave it real depth and interest beyond the looks. Robert Picardo is just a great actor who made a hologram extremely human. Some really good episodes all over the series. It was just a fun show.
So the Kazon were supposed to be an allegory for LA gangs, where there was no old Kazon because they were killing each other, problem is it's hard to find decent actors that look like teenagers. They abandoned the idea eventually but it was too little too late.
still my favorite Trek, I don't care what anyone says :) I really, really miss "adventure of the week" TV shows. Shows like "Stranger Things," that are essentially 8 hour long movies, are good for binging, but I actually genuinely want "monster of the week" tv back.
Voyager sometimes seems like someone stardet a great, a bit dark, star trek show, and some guy said:"make it a kids show". But anyway, my favorite/worst 5. In a year, i will not remember 90% of these episodes. But one is still stuck in my brain. I think it was season 1, where they find like 5 sleeping people on a dead planet, who have accidentially created pure fear in person, and are now stuck with him forever in a imagent room, is incredibly dark if you look at it from the right direction. And a surprisingly creativ idea, and i love it, but it doesnt feel werry startrek.
Harry Kim's treatment is arguably the worst thing about Voyager because... 1. There was absolutely no intelligent reason for it. 2. It was almost certainly done with malevolent intent. They were trying to humiliate the actor and the character, and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. 3. They're STILL doing it after 30 years. A brief cameo with Harry as a lieutenant in "Lower Decks" or a captain in "Picard" would give the character a modicum of justice... hasn't happened. LD brought back an actress who hadn't acted in 27 frickin' years, they had Macneil play BOTH his Trek characters, but they blow off Wang. And they're saying something about Prodigy, but that's doubtful. They said one VOY character was returning in S2 and we've already seen the Doctor. And who knows if there will be any more PRO... Netflix bought up the mostly completed S2 but it's debatable whether they'll bother to actually order a season. Harry Kim had Data's nonexistent promotion prospects, Worf's dreadful luck in love, near O'Brien level suffering, and a multi-decade effort intent on humiliating him that wasn't directed at any of those guys. In terms of getting crapped on, Harry is the *Toilet of Trek!* 💩💩💩
So, it's interesting your final comments mentioned the BSG reboot - because it largely exists BECAUSE Voyager didn't, or more accurately refused to fulfull its potential . Ronald D Moore was recruited to Voyager and hoped to tell more stories exactly like the ones you (and I) wished it had been full of. He only lasted a few episodes before fights with Branon Braga and Rick Berman caused him to walk away, and right into developing the Battlestar Galactica reboot. So it's not "what if Voygaer had come after BSG?", that we should ask, it's "what if Voyager had the courage to BE BSG?".
I think that's an overall fair conclusion. Whenever I go through the series for something to watch I find myself skipping lots of episodes like 'bland, bland, boring, stupid, ... hey that's a good one". I only went through the entire thing once, unlike TNG and especially DS9 which I watched in their entirety multiple times. I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next years of DS9 and hearing your thoughts on it, but for now go and take your well deserved break. I'm a little torn on the response you get. On the one hand your subscriber count isn't climbing nearly as much as you deserve, on the other hand the patreon support seems to be outstanding in relation to that. Speaking of which, is there another way of shooting you a tenner? I don't do that whole patreon thing but want to contribute. Another thing I'm really looking forward to is the DS9 title melody, do you make them yourself?
Honestly, I don't think I would have liked the show if it did do the extended storyline with Voyager getting run down more and more as the show goes on. There is an optimism that characterizes Star Trek and a show about people being miserable all the time would have put me off of a Star Trek series.
@@mcewanalex I find that idea intriguing. I doubt the showrunners could have resisted the urge to have them go full rogue, but if they could have pulled off such a thing, it would be unique.
I’m extremely late with this comment but Seven fits into the ‘Born Sexy Yesterday’ trope which I think was first discussed by the Pop Culture Detective TH-cam channel. Some of the most problematic parts of her depiction definitely fit into the male fantasy of having a relationship with a naive woman with the mind of a child…but some of the best are when it’s presented from her perspective. If only the costume department had been ordered to create costumes that would have incorporated her preferences…as you so often pointed out.
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Today's Thought Experiment: Oh, go on then. Give me your top/bottom 5 episodes.
I prefer to focus on the top 5 so...
1) Scorpion. Call me predictable, but it's just a great episode and I think I like it a bit more than the Best of Both Worlds
2) Life Line. I love the Doctor and seeing him travel back to help his 'dad' is great, letting him see just how much the Doctor has grown despite at first not wanting to. Also great to see Counselor Troi again
3) Nothing Human. Just a great episode that tackles an uncomfortable topic and don't wimp out, leaving it up to the viewer to make up their own minds on whether using tainted research is good or bad, and giving us a good look at just how nasty the Cardassians were to the Bajorans, something not really talked about outside DS9
4) Bride of Chaotica. This is what I think the Holodeck was made for. Goofy, silly, fun that doesn't take itself seriously and you can tell everyone had a blast making it. And some of them failed at not laughing at some of the lines they had to say which just makes it even more charming to me.
5) Dark Frontier. A really good look at Seven, with a good use of the Borg Queen as the Devil whispering in her ear and when she finally had to fully confront that the Borg are truly monsters who turn those they abuse into mere tools with no regard to their well-being. A good step for Seven deciding to take the aspects of the Borg she felt were good and mixing them with her humanity.
Whatever the one with domspace is would be the toppest episode presumably
I just realize I can't name a top 5 although the series is 2nd or 3rd for me. But it can't reach anywhere near the seasons 5 thru 7 of DS9 with pale moonlight being the best. By far. Voyager has many good but no outstanding episodes for me.
With DS9 only Breaking Bad and the German series Dark (Netflix, excellent, time travel without plot holes) can compete.
Top in no order
Course oblivion
Living Witness
Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy
Timeless
Year of Hell
Bottom
The Fight
Sacred ground
Barge of the dead
Fury
Q and the grey
I had made, throughout the history of the channel, comments saying which episodes are in my top 5/10 with an honorable top 5 EMH episodes.
I am not going to bother cataloging them all because I dont even remember which is what place at my list
I think the USS Equinox was a good example of how Voyager could have been.
Yes! The Captain Ransom held up a mirror and showed Janeway what COULD have been
I probably would have been for that 30 years ago. But today, I've had my fill of dark and gritty sci-fi. Something like Equinox or Year in Hell are good on occasion, but give me the more utopian stuff that Star Trek does. I have a thousand other options for dark drama. Star Trek is pretty much the only thing that acts like humans can improve. And even that is rare today. But I'm also the oddball that hates DS9.
She could have Tuvixed the whole Delta Quadrant 🥲
Yeah people usually cite this or Year of Hell as how Voyager's journey would more than likely ended up.
Tuvix should have been a turning character point for the two. Neelix understand the Vulcan stoicism and Tuvok understands the barriers that Neelix puts up. The two share what happened and what it was like to see a man condemned to die.
I am today years old before I ever realized Janeway never got a backstory episode, oof
Happy 93rd birthday to William Shatner
You have to give it credit for one thing: it lasted 7 years!! That's 7 years of paychecks for the cast!!
That's nothing to sneeze at; they're in a cutthroat industry and jobs are never guaranteed for the vast majority
So far the most successful Trek show since Voyager has been Discovery just barely making 5 seasons. So Voyager can hang its hat on that, it's outlasted 4 other shows, 5 if you count ToS.
@@tonyjackson4078 Tbf, it's not a fair comparison. The TV landscape is vastly different now than from when Voyager was created. TV scheduled and major networks dominated the landscape, whereas now many streaming services compete strongly with the remaining TV networks and shows are more frequently greenlit and cancelled.
To me, the series most shaping up to become the new best trek is SNW, but it needs more series under its belt before it can dethrone DS9. Lower Decks is a pretty good trek show though I don't find it very funny.
My favorite was "Tinker, Tenor, Doctor Spy," and its sequel, "Renaissance Man."
Ok now I can say "It's been a long road getting from there to here. Thanks for all the great work, and I can't wait for DS9.
Methinks it'll be another few series before that line becomes relevant. :D
I do want to mention: I really liked the Thaw episode. That one in particular was one of my favorites and really plays out fear to me.
As for the series, I had wished they focused a bit more on the alien side of things. One in particular I found great in Voyager was the different and alien ways of communication that are more than just verbal and translated. Yes, this makes the writing very hard or could go stale really quickly, but there is a reason we still talk about "Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra"! Star Trek is almost always at its best when they explore the alien, when they throw communication at a wall and sees what sticks, when they find it difficult and foreign.
why were so many aliens - removed LIGHTYEARS from the alpha quadrant just.... exactly human / human adjacent shaped -___- and ye i know - budget. SHAKA - WHEN THE WALLS FELL
@@shabello but we also have an in-universe explanation for why there are so many humanoid species out there: the ancient humanoids from TNG: The Chase.
@@CathrineMacNiel ah yes - the proto founders... but why are some just.... exactly human
@@shabello mhm I guess when so many planets are just Backyard Canada, I guess its quite natural that they evolve into exactly human :)
My picks for Voyagers best episodes in no order:
Year of Hell, Parts 1 & 2
Scorpion, Parts 1 & 2
Equinox, Parts 1 & 2
Timeless
Message In A Bottle
Pathfinder
Tinker. Tenor. Doctor, Spy
Renaissance Man
Tuvix
Course Oblivion
Worst Case Scenario
I'd add Blink of an Eye as its not only one of the better Voyager episodes, its just a fantastic episode of science fiction.
One "resources" issue is how they crashed a large number of shuttles, have a finite amount in theory, but always have one at the ready.
That and photon torpedoes. Tbf, they could have traded for manufacturing time to make replacements, which could have been an interesting morale dilemma - Starfleet's photon torpedoes where more advanced than many of the weapons used by species in the early areas of the delta quadrant, and even with safe guards, any species that they got to manufacture parts or spares could have potential insights or out right schematics for advanced weapons.
I maintain that Janeway was never required to uphold the temporal prime directive since it doesn't exist for her Starfleet. That's like expecting someone now to obey laws that won't be written for another 500 years.
Temporal laws apply to the whole timeline. Ignorance through lack of ability to accurately see the future is no excuse.
think about the good side: star trek enterprise and its journey to the expanse was the Voyager we never got
Thanks for this brilliant series
The inclusion of prime directive violations at the end is icing in the cake. Beautiful.
I must confess as an oldie viewer, I didn't see DS9, when it was broadcast. But, I can imagine the social media reaction if that'd been about. The outrage at the longer narrative, the introduction of religion, a concept the federation was meant to have outgrown. The recognition that money still existed. It might well not have run as long as it did...
It's still the Trek I find myself rewatching the most, after TNG. It's very easy to just pick an episode at random and jump in. Many would say the lack of change and consequence was a detriment, but 45 mins of self-contained entertainment is what I want from TV. Now everything is a multi-season long marathon.
I think DS9 for most of its run and Strange New Worlds do a good comprise of having long running threads through the show that enhance the individual episode on viewing if you're aware of them in context but do work without and have stories that stand alone fine. Unlike, say, Sherlock, where everything is woven together to the point the show can't breathe and every episode keeps promising to tell a story but never does.
Can't say I've been here since the VERY first day, but as someone watching since early season 1...WOW. This has been a fantastic Journey (I should have said Voyage. Damn). Can't wait to follow over to the Wheel in the Sky. That's what everyone calls it, right?
Honestly I'm glad it fell short of Glory, as that's what gave us BSG Rebooted. Which gave us all much more now
Loved the 70s-organ-on-the-Hawaiian-setting Voyager theme.
I liked the episodes wherein Jeri Ryan got to shine, as when the Doctor took over her body or when several different personalities possessed her. She showed she was a pretty good actress/actor.
Since the dogs have their own playlist I think you should give a playlist to your summaries for balance
Remembering your review I never expected Threshhold to end up int he bottom 5. You brought something different to the discussion for that episode that I don't think I've heard anyone mention before. Must be that spicy brain of your's.
Best (in no particular order): Basics, Course: Oblivion, Scorpion, Night, Living Witness
Worst: Threshold, The Fight, 11:59.
Though I'm definitely of the opinion that worse than being bad is being so boring it leaves no impression on me at all, so the worst episode(s) is probably one that could be best described as "The one where that random crew member turns up and makes a big deal out of something anyone with half a brain cell should have resolved in 5 minutes" (I have no particular episode in mind, but I'm sure such episodes exist). Threshold may be nonsensical, but "Tom Paris goes impossibly fast and turns into a lizard" is at least not easily forgotten.
Ya know thinking about what Voyager COULD have been reminds me a bit of what BattleStar Galactica 2004 was. Sure BSG was more nuanced and they were dealing with restructuring a whole civilization and so forth, but the parallels of them travelling tens of thousands of lightyears to get home is core to both of them. No surprise Ronald D Moore was involved with both and I think his departure from the StarTrekverse had a lot to do with the higher ups saying we can't have a more serialised show. Also - Captain Harry Kim show when?
I want him to cameo as Federation President, goshdarnit!
From the interview Ron Moore gave shortly after leaving VOY, what pushed him to leave Trek was a combination of writer apathy towards the characters and a toxic work environment. The final straw was, while writing “Barge of the Dead,” he asked someone what Torres would do in a specific situation and was met with the equivalent to that Reddit shruggie emoji.
He’s probably one of the very few classic Trek writers I would want anywhere near the franchise today but he’s smart enough not to come back. He’s get way more creative freedom, but the current fandom today wants to remain in 1994 :/
Thanks for your thoughtful review. Jayneway is my favorite Captain by far (not necessarily Best). Of the original 5 series, TNG and Voyager tied as my favorite series, depending on season or story arc. I agree about Jayneway not having a backstory (the feeble 11:59 proof of her own sketchy memory)
Thank you for this whole series of reviews.
You have brightened many an evening for me, in times of desolation. Very much looking forward to your viewpoint on DS9.
my favourite part was where they could travel non-stop at warp 9.9 for a solid year and somehow still come across seska.
Was legit surprised she wasn't on Earth to greet Chakotay
Dude the amount of travel related bullshit in voyager.......
Remember the Episode where they come across that guy who built a catapult with tech from the caretaker? The fckn driveless reactor made it there faster than voyager.
Also, they did not stick around and klep the thing so they could, yknow, build new catapults and bunny hop or something....
I have to repeat this from all the other ones I've watched.... I absolutely adore your reviews of my favourite Star Trek series.The dry shade you throw and the hilariously perfect nicknames delight me in my soul and I thank you for making the last twelve months seem that losing a loved one isn't really the end of life and there are things to appreciate and enjoy and laugh at.
Had I any money, I'd definitely be on your patreon buying my way into the diving treasury.
To point a firework stick at my foot and poop yellow at it perhaps, I loved Threshold despite the stupid story. I'm just able to suspend my disbelief for it, so it was nice that you acknowledged how bad it is, but with a certain fondness for how good it could have been. Maybe I need to find a time wibbly to go back and watch it with the seething hatred others have for it.
Been with you from the start and wisdom to a confused favorite has been rewarding. Thanks for the work.
Have loved this can't wait for ds9 thank you
Voyager had potential, but it was always stifled by Berman's handling of the series. The Doctor, Neelix, Seven, Naomi, Tom and B'Ellana got the best of it by far, and that's the saddest part of all. If everyone got the kind of love and attention they did, the series would be infinitely better.
Special mention to Lon Suder, who was only around for a couple of episodes but had one of the greatest arcs in Trek. Rest in Peace, sir.
I love nemesis. I found the dialogue compelling and me and my buddy use their speech patterns for fun when quoting the show.
The earth final conflict dig really made me giggle
10:57 What if Seska succeed impregnating herself with Chakotay's child. And manage to escape with him/her. And that lost effects Chakotay. And Seska being the [person she is] toys with Voyager and Chakotay using the child. And maybe having a child might soften her heart, just a little bit. (but not too much.)
Think of the episodes where they forced to temporary team up, only for Seska to betray them. Which party outsmarts who? What becomes of the child? What if Seska child ages up for some science reason. And not the child is older? Does the child join the crew?
(I'm stopping before more ideas come running out of my mind.)
It's been a pleasure 💚🌹💚 looking forward to ds9 😁👍
Thanks for these reviews. I loved this series overall. Your take on it is entertaining...and makes me chuckle too at times. Your voice is also very soothing.
I will have nostalgia for your channel's run through this series. On to others!
i loved it. i watched it together with my mother as a kid.
thanks for the trips back in time!
I've enjoyed the journey of watching your takes on every episode. It's been a trip. I agree with most of your top and bottom list but i was a bit saddened to see projections on your bottom 5, it's one of my favourite episodes
Minor corrections:
TNG's Big Bad was actually the Romulans. The Borg had the threatening stakes, but weren't all that often used. The Cardassians had a similar thing in TNG, minus the large-scale stakes of the Borg (though the personal stakes were still real). The Klingons are out, so its just the Spicy Vulcans left.
Enterprise's Big Bad is actually 3 Baddies in a trenchcoat, but the biggest of them were the Xindi. Followed by the Suliban, and then the Klingons.
This has been a fun ride. Thanks Arsehole.
Voyager will always be the underrated trek series overshadowed by how well DS9 aged.
Thank you, sir. Looking back over all these Voyager reviews and all the vocabulary words you have taught me, I think my favorite is "bell end". Glad it popped up in the final entry.
this series has been a blast, thanks for all your hard work; I can't wait for ds9!
Thank you for this exceptional series and for investing so much of your time to bring us this fascinating breakdown of the show. It has been a hoot. Good luck with your next project. I will be an eager viewer.
I didn't watch Voyager, so I didn't know what I had missed. In fact I was wrong, I did see the first episode, but was not impressed. As I watched this summary again, I suddenly recalled seeing a really bad Star Trek spoof, late at night while staying in a hotel in London.
It was about abducted celebrities in suspended animation on a distant planet. My mind had included Amy Johnson as one of the abductees. Actually, it must have been the Voyager episode entitled 'The 37s'. My goodness it was naff.
A mystery solved and your wonderful scripts have made for a rewarding deep dive. Thanks again.
Great series (both Voyager and yours). It's wild to have been through the whole thing and the news that DS9 is getting their own version is fantastic. DS9 is my favorite Trek but Voyager holds a special spot because it was my first exposure to Trek. There's something special about your first time LOL.
Really enjoyed these. Thank you very much for your work.
Seven of Nine is quite an amazing feat as a character. She is a sex appeal character that they decided to give the most development and i am curious how much of that was intentional and how much was simply a factor of writers being told to give excuses to put her on the screen.
I often think how the crew of the Equinox were more interesting and memorable than seven seasons about Voyager's crew. Think about how this show might have been if Janeway was a lot more like Ransom.
While I doubt I’ll be able, or even want, to do it every time, I’m hoping to make it routine to effectively do a watchalong of DS9 as you review it.
It's a shame that this show had so many flaws. Voyager is the trek that made me dream of space exploration as a kid, so I have fond memories of it. That theme song always makes me feel wistful.
4:06 I for one am looking forward to the "In the Pale Moonlight" episode. It might be a long time coming. But plan ahead and make that episode a good one. Double length? Pease!
We Made It! Wooof!
You took my probably deleted suggestion and changed the music! 😮😅😂🎉❤yay!
7:20 - doesn't Future!Kim still only have one pip on his uniform? Decades later, still an ensign.
Your list is pretty much approved. ;) I would add The Thaw to the good 'uns but that's me.
I would say Tuvix is a great episode that shows that the correct practical answer may be at odds with the correct ethical or moral answer.
It basically smacks the face of that "needs of the many" thing vulcans like to spout off.
The trouble with having a consistent big bad when you are constantly travelling in the direction of away is that you need a reason for them still to be around. Either they are following you for some reason or you aren't moving very far. The obvious solution is what I'd call the Dr Smith strategy, and have the big bad be a member of the crew.
Imagine, for example, if Seska had been a much longer burn plot. And then when she's finally revealed they can't leave her behind because she's become symbiotically linked with Janeway and they can't be more than 100 metres apart without both kabooming, or some bollocks, and so have to continue on with her continually sneering at them and occasionally plotting to steal the ship.
Lol. Ditch both. Easy. Janeway would suggest it too.
I wish they would re-do Voyager, same art style (none of this super dark super massive set design) but with a planned story ark (ala B5) for each season and the overall show. I am dreaming of course, but one should always dream
Sadly the back stories were done by way of the Jeri Taylor books - Mosaic and Pathways. Janeway's background was tragic and Paris is a dick but when you realise he lost his lover, his friends and his career with one accident and was then left to wander aimlessly with no support from his Dad that had been a catalyst for what happened by interfering with Paris' career and you sort of potentially feel bad for the guy.
Thank you for calling out 11:59 as a bad episode. I made a meme about it and posted it to a Star Trek group, and the mods refused it. I guess they like Janeway so much they won't even let someone criticize the obviously bad Janeway eps.
I loved voyager so much! Great job
Well done!
Voyager, for all your failings I still love you. One of my favorite crews in Trek and while the hitting of the reset button all the time got annoying, I still enjoyed it as it showed us a crew traveling from so far and giving the greatest enemy of the Federation a kick in the teeth while they went.
And it gave us Seven of Nine and the Doctor, two of the best characters in Star Trek bar none. I hope we see the Doctor again someday in a new show and exploring how his life has gone since leaving Voyager
Also Id say that the Big Bads of TNG isn’t the Borg, but the Romulans. The Borg are the big bads of Voyager, at least in my mind
I wholeheartedly agree!
Thank you😊
I kinda like Deadlock, which is the doppelganger of the other episode about doppelgangers: Course: Oblivion (which you mentioned in the video). The reason I kinda like it is this: It happens relatively early in the series (S02), and I like the idea that early on you have these duplicates and you don't know which of the two sets is the original set - the original cast of characters that you've been watching since E01 - and some of the duplicates die and the survivors gets mixed together, and so for the rest of the series you're following these characters that are not really the originals. Maybe most of the originals die (although it's ambiguous as to which set is the "original" and which is a copy - maybe both, maybe neither). I thought it was cool idea, but maybe it could have been developed and executed better. There are a lot of directions they could have taken. For example, imagine if one of the copies goes to the other ship and for the rest of the season they use twin actors (or CGI or practical effects) to portray two characters who are copies of each other, which subsequently go on to develop their own character arcs and idiosyncrasies.
I couldn't remember the name of the episode, so I searched for "episode of star trek voyager with doubles of the crew" and the AI at the top of the search results said: "In Course: Oblivion [which is not the episode I was looking for], the duplicate Paris and Torres appear to get their sh-t together faster than the real ones, as they're already getting married" which sounds like something that you would say because you use profanity in your videos. I wonder if the AI has been watching your videos and is imitating your style of narration? 😂
The show ended before they got home.
Voyager has always been and always will be my favourite Trek. Where there plenty of missed and squandered opportunities yes hell yeah, but I learned to love it as was and embrace the nods that yes they did have to stop and trade even if we rarely got to see it. You outlined well that some of biggest flaws were just things that couldn’t have been avoided. It would have been so nice to get to see the ship get gradually more battered as time went on but I do understand that money and continuity wise that was a big ask and while Voyager would have been so much more with ongoing stories monster of the week stand-alone episodes were the norm at the time for the reasons you mentioned. I kinda of wish we could go back to the beginning and do it all again because this show would have excelled beyond all measures if steaming TV and ongoing arks were the norm.
It will be interesting to see how coffee black will hold out against Klingon coffee
18:20 is that a games console cartridge that extra is holding??
Hmmm. I guess the reason we never got extensive backstories for the crew is the same reason the ship's appearance never really changed: props and sets cost money. On the other hand, five years after Voyager ended, Lost got underway and that show frequently had whole episodes fleshing out the backstory of its castaways. Those episodes always had tons of extras and new sets... So it can be done.
The Doctor invented himself from whole cloth, Seven had a lot of things to learn as well But in the end, I think B'Elanna's character got fleshed out the most. Her relationships with her mother, her father and her Klingon heritage as a whole got full episodes as well. Too bad that on the surface B'Elanna always remained volatile and good with machines.
In my opinion “11:59” is the worst, followed by “fair haven” and “the 37s” All terrible.
Best is harder. Off the top of my head, I like “blink of an eye”, “prototype”, “eye of the needle” “the raven” “one” “riddles” and “repression”.
Tuvok is my favourite character.
New high score!
I cannot wait for DS9
Just restarted the Voyager watch on my loop.
This time on paramount.
Paris harrassing the betazoid pilot is still cut. They put a shadow over the smiling vulcan nurse. The magnetic constrictor conversation is back but with less back and forth. Kim's needle to the chest is still gone and the turning into a bird dialogue has returned! Voyager is the show they chop up the most.
Was that a "Dimension Jump" reference I heard in the Prime Directive violations?
So far as I know, Garrett Wang remains the only Trek actor to ever ask to direct an ep and get told to get stuffed. Voyager wasted a *lot*.
DS9 is gonna be a fun rewatch but man, I wish the patrons had gone for Enterprise instead. Really feels like the logical next choice after a retrospective that aimed to give Voyager a fair shake despite the bad rap it gets.
I would love to see you review the BSG reboot.
I agree with the serialised approach would have served Voyager better, though I wonder if it would have suffered the same fate as Stargate Universe. An interesting story arc, but also its achilles heel
This sorta sums up why I think Enterprise was a lot better than Voyager. It also had a rocky start and didn't flesh out a few of its main characters as much as I'd liked, but they at least made some bold choices, especially in season 3, with showing the crew struggling with a deteriorating ship and even being forced to steal parts from a friendly ship for the greater good.
Also seeing the captain of that show go from bright-eyed bushy-tailed boyscout optimist to battle-wary commander was the kind of character progression I really wanted to see from Janeway. The Janeway of Year of Hell is by far my favorite; seeing her run into that burning room to save the ship and having those burns that the Doctor didn't have the means to fully heal game me new appreciation for the character, seeing her at her lowpoint and still being a great captain was riveting.
And then they just... took it all away. I still like Voyager, it will always have a special place in my heart, but the wasted opportunity still stings.
I would have liked to see more conflict between Starfleet and Maquis. Another missed opportunity. I still like the explorations of Borg stuff, even if the resolutions were always lame.
As a lover of filler episodes and schlock, I loved Fairhaven and Spirit Folk. Sure they're cheesy and bad, but dammit if they just felt quaint and fun with 0 stakes. These kind of episodes are good for my anxiety.
Let's see if Sisko is better when it comes to the Prime Directive. I think so, but there will also be more war crimes to his credit.
Voyager should have been a movie. It also should have been called Equinox, because that would have been a good movie. What happened to the Equinox would have been an amazing movie because those people went through it.
When it comes to changing sets to remake alien techs all they had to do was throw some different colored film over some lights and call it good. Yes it would have required an excellent spreadsheet to keep stuff straight, but an unpaid intern could have easily handled that.
In my opinion “One” is the best episode. It was genuinely scary. I really didn’t know what was real. I felt Seven’s fear.
Also the episode where Seven and Naomi are the only ones unaffected by the space wibbly. That one was a brilliant psychological thriller. The idea of belief and hope, and the true meaning of home.
Prime directive violation Season 1 episode 1: They got stuck because they were trying to save to Okampa from the pinecone people. That wasn’t their problem to solve. Not dodgy because no matter what the caretaker did it had nothing to do with them. It’s not like where that probe we sent fucked up that planet. Yeah that was our problem to solve.
Why Seska have to be evil? Seska willing to do what Janeway can not to help the crew is interesting.
The the show was just about janeway doing "what needs to be done" she would have used the Caretaker station, left it for the Kazon and there would be no show.
Voyager is my favorite Trek series specifically cause Seven and The Doctor were fantastic characters. Jeri Ryan took a tits and ass character and gave it real depth and interest beyond the looks. Robert Picardo is just a great actor who made a hologram extremely human. Some really good episodes all over the series. It was just a fun show.
So the Kazon were supposed to be an allegory for LA gangs, where there was no old Kazon because they were killing each other, problem is it's hard to find decent actors that look like teenagers. They abandoned the idea eventually but it was too little too late.
still my favorite Trek, I don't care what anyone says :) I really, really miss "adventure of the week" TV shows.
Shows like "Stranger Things," that are essentially 8 hour long movies, are good for binging, but I actually genuinely want "monster of the week" tv back.
Honorable mention to The Thaw. And Message in a bottle was very funny, but I don't really think it's "memorable".
Voyager sometimes seems like someone stardet a great, a bit dark, star trek show, and some guy said:"make it a kids show". But anyway, my favorite/worst 5. In a year, i will not remember 90% of these episodes. But one is still stuck in my brain. I think it was season 1, where they find like 5 sleeping people on a dead planet, who have accidentially created pure fear in person, and are now stuck with him forever in a imagent room, is incredibly dark if you look at it from the right direction. And a surprisingly creativ idea, and i love it, but it doesnt feel werry startrek.
Season 2's The Thaw! I was surprised it hadn't earned a spot in the top five section of the video
Harry Kim's treatment is arguably the worst thing about Voyager because...
1. There was absolutely no intelligent reason for it.
2. It was almost certainly done with malevolent intent. They were trying to humiliate the actor and the character, and succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
3. They're STILL doing it after 30 years. A brief cameo with Harry as a lieutenant in "Lower Decks" or a captain in "Picard" would give the character a modicum of justice... hasn't happened.
LD brought back an actress who hadn't acted in 27 frickin' years, they had Macneil play BOTH his Trek characters, but they blow off Wang. And they're saying something about Prodigy, but that's doubtful. They said one VOY character was returning in S2 and we've already seen the Doctor. And who knows if there will be any more PRO... Netflix bought up the mostly completed S2 but it's debatable whether they'll bother to actually order a season.
Harry Kim had Data's nonexistent promotion prospects, Worf's dreadful luck in love, near O'Brien level suffering, and a multi-decade effort intent on humiliating him that wasn't directed at any of those guys. In terms of getting crapped on, Harry is the *Toilet of Trek!* 💩💩💩
So, it's interesting your final comments mentioned the BSG reboot - because it largely exists BECAUSE Voyager didn't, or more accurately refused to fulfull its potential . Ronald D Moore was recruited to Voyager and hoped to tell more stories exactly like the ones you (and I) wished it had been full of. He only lasted a few episodes before fights with Branon Braga and Rick Berman caused him to walk away, and right into developing the Battlestar Galactica reboot.
So it's not "what if Voygaer had come after BSG?", that we should ask, it's "what if Voyager had the courage to BE BSG?".
Are the dogs' stories going to be continued in ds9?
I think that's an overall fair conclusion. Whenever I go through the series for something to watch I find myself skipping lots of episodes like 'bland, bland, boring, stupid, ... hey that's a good one". I only went through the entire thing once, unlike TNG and especially DS9 which I watched in their entirety multiple times. I can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to the next years of DS9 and hearing your thoughts on it, but for now go and take your well deserved break.
I'm a little torn on the response you get. On the one hand your subscriber count isn't climbing nearly as much as you deserve, on the other hand the patreon support seems to be outstanding in relation to that. Speaking of which, is there another way of shooting you a tenner? I don't do that whole patreon thing but want to contribute.
Another thing I'm really looking forward to is the DS9 title melody, do you make them yourself?
Honestly, I don't think I would have liked the show if it did do the extended storyline with Voyager getting run down more and more as the show goes on. There is an optimism that characterizes Star Trek and a show about people being miserable all the time would have put me off of a Star Trek series.
Fair point. Maybe if it was tempered with them pushing themselves more to be the ideals of Starfleet, no matter the cost?
@@mcewanalex I find that idea intriguing. I doubt the showrunners could have resisted the urge to have them go full rogue, but if they could have pulled off such a thing, it would be unique.
Serialised stories dont need to be dark, Voyager missed plenty of oportunities for positive stories about overcoming of problems.
I’m extremely late with this comment but Seven fits into the ‘Born Sexy Yesterday’ trope which I think was first discussed by the Pop Culture Detective TH-cam channel.
Some of the most problematic parts of her depiction definitely fit into the male fantasy of having a relationship with a naive woman with the mind of a child…but some of the best are when it’s presented from her perspective. If only the costume department had been ordered to create costumes that would have incorporated her preferences…as you so often pointed out.
course oblivion? course oblivion?!? course oblivion?!?! How? Why?