Britain vs France! - 1845 Pattern Infantry Officer's Swords Compared

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  • @xSpiegelschattenx
    @xSpiegelschattenx 6 ปีที่แล้ว +231

    If you put together a French blade and a British Hilt, do you get a Canadian sword?

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      Silly xSpiegelschattenx haven't you heard? To create a Canadian sword, you have to take the worst from both worlds. A French hilt on a British blade.
      ... Oh wait. That's American.

    • @NoahWeisbrod
      @NoahWeisbrod 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Hmm. Small wonder swords weren't as popular in the US...

    • @levifontaine8186
      @levifontaine8186 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      If you take a French sword, you have an American sword.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In truth, though, Canadian swords are British.

    • @buffordevans6942
      @buffordevans6942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Brilliant

  • @shizanketsuga8696
    @shizanketsuga8696 6 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    "They tend to be shorter, heavier and stiffer, these Frenchmen." Typical Matt! :D

    • @themastermason1
      @themastermason1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Shizanketsuga It's all that butter and wine in the French diet.

    • @shizanketsuga8696
      @shizanketsuga8696 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's probably correct. ^^

    • @goofygrandlouis6296
      @goofygrandlouis6296 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ha !

    • @Elzimbabwe.
      @Elzimbabwe. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      he did say "these French ones" not "these Frenchmen" at 16:51

  • @JonyTony2018
    @JonyTony2018 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Hey Matt! What about Russian and German/Austrian blades of the time? Can you talk about them? And speaking of Russia, would you mind talking about their medieval armour/weaponry sometime? They seem to be a very interesting mix of European and Asian styles.

  • @willek1335
    @willek1335 6 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    You should do a time line, where you describe the changes of a particular sword-type overtime with shifting images. It would be interesting for us sword-noobs to get an overview of things. It makes it easier for us to understand the topic that way.

  • @WeirdGuy4928
    @WeirdGuy4928 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    "30 inches is pretty short for British standards" Damn.

  • @kareliask
    @kareliask 6 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Now that's a title to draw people in.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I was drawn in by the 1845 French Infantry Officer's Sword. My favorite military pattern so far. Now to watch the video.
      Edit: Holy shit, Matt Easton loves the French (blade) 1845 too. My life is complete.

    • @DzinkyDzink
      @DzinkyDzink 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      10-15k views with 179k subscribers bugs me.

  • @zoukatron
    @zoukatron 6 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    "Pound for pound: it's lighter." I know that's not what you meant, but had to point it out. :)

    • @DzinkyDzink
      @DzinkyDzink 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      French pounds are diffferent! They are based off baguette, and therefore are lighter.

    • @AtParmentier
      @AtParmentier 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Actually the French pound was heavier than the British pound, the old French pound was 1.1 times the British. The new French pound used until 1840 was 500g, the British pound (Avoirdupois) is 454g or 373g (Troy).

    • @Master...deBater
      @Master...deBater 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AtParmentier: Thanks...Super Nerd!!!

    • @chicken_burgers
      @chicken_burgers 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Master...deBater Ok random dummy on internet

  • @darkestkhan
    @darkestkhan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Doesn't stiffer blade make it easier to actually cut for less trained people? with more flexible blade edge alignment is of far higher importance and less trained person is more likely to get it wrong.

  • @buffordevans6942
    @buffordevans6942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Outstanding content and thus far my two absolute favorites!! I currently posses three French 1845's one of which is an etched bladed example , and the one Indian Garuda ( what I call her now ) I got from you .I consider it to be a robust 1845 British .. I have to say that I too really quite like my 45's they feel like Ferraris compared to others .. Interesting that Musgrave says to wrap the handles for two reasons 1.) I'm just now beginning my journey with his teachings and 2.) I have been wrapping the sabers I use with non dyed hemp twine for some time now .. It helps with the slippery horn whilst protecting them ,and on the shagreen ( annoys my hands an awful lot ) protects it as well ...
    Bravo , and why on God’s earth has this taken you soooo long Matt ??
    This other than the accounts is now my new favorite video !!!!

  • @Dark-Mustang
    @Dark-Mustang ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you like the French 1845, wait until you see the American 1850 Staff & Field Sword... It's got a better protected wrapped hand guard with a slightly longer French style blade, but etched in the British style. You'd love it.

  • @filipschweiner1989
    @filipschweiner1989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Since Matt started to compare the french and the british, how can we compare french and british sabre techniques on foot during napoleonic wars (because that's a period I'm interested in and there are probably many sources from that time)?

    • @myliege5800
      @myliege5800 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Baguette Meister clothar23 said that training was exclusive outside the military, so multi-variant. Maybe there was an overlap?

    • @buffordevans6942
      @buffordevans6942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Le fidèle
      Why hasn’t this question been answered? Best question I’ve seen in a while

    • @duanesarjec6887
      @duanesarjec6887 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      you have somme informations in th-cam.com/video/uaCmCX6O_wM/w-d-xo.html

  • @TheCodarr
    @TheCodarr 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for the video Matt! Love the content, would be awesome if you did a series on the models!
    Best regards to you and the family.

  • @brotomann
    @brotomann 6 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    It's so nice to have historical Anglo-Franco comparison videos without incredibly tiresome patriotism in the mix, even if it is merely feigned for a laugh. I greatly appreciate your objectivity!

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +1 It's kind of refreshing. :]

    • @nindger4270
      @nindger4270 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      brotomann Agreed, especially because I often find myself wondering how I should take that 'patriotism' even if it is presented as facetious. Saying the exact things a stuck-in-the-past nationalist would say but sarcastically rolling your eyes at it is practically the easiest way to be a stuck-in-the-past nationalist without repercussions.

    • @martialme84
      @martialme84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah agreed.
      Incredibly tiresome is a good way of putting it.
      I can´t think of someone as an intelligent person, that does something like that.

  • @soupordave
    @soupordave 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really like this video and hope to see more comparison videos in the future! Are there any records of why they chose these designs or made the changes from the previous pattern/models? I know from watching Othias's videos on C&Rsenal that there are reports on firearms developments so we know what the various army review boards were thinking but were there similar formal reviews when it came to sword design? Obviously for wealthy officers it often came down to personal choice and the ability to buy what you wanted, but there had to be a formal review process for the official designs right?

  • @100dfrost
    @100dfrost 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Matt, you called it. French blade and English hilt. I thought that the French blade looked better before you said it. I was ,however just going by the looks. Thank-you for the video.

    • @kevinsmith9013
      @kevinsmith9013 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ditto.

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well yes, but if we're going just by looks, it'd be the French 1845 all the way; it is just an extremely pretty sword.

  • @JimmyTownmouse
    @JimmyTownmouse 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Still waiting for that 1788 pattern video. I'd love to see how the 1780s and 90s cavalry patterns compare with French weapons too.

  • @henrymach
    @henrymach 6 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Will you do german next?

    • @edi9892
      @edi9892 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      diamened AFAIK, he has no expertise on German, Austrian, Swedish, Polish or American military sabres.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he has like, maybe one German sword.

    • @buffordevans6942
      @buffordevans6942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      diamened
      If he does I hope it’s the three Artillery Sabres
      The Bavarian 73
      The Saxon 73
      The Prussian 73
      All are proper combat weapons , and in my opinion the culmination of actual , and last combat worthy Sabres ..
      Do it Matt 😁

    • @Leonard89008
      @Leonard89008 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He regulary sells German swords. I Bought a Prussian Sword from him this Octobre for example

    • @skeptiker0124
      @skeptiker0124 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bufford Evans
      what about the prussian kav sabre m1852?

  • @FlatcapHobbit
    @FlatcapHobbit 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An interesting comparison in the same vein may be the the 1845 cutlass and the American m1860 cutlass, both beautiful weapons!

  • @joshhill5932
    @joshhill5932 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Agree with french blade on a brit hilt. The 1850 U.S. officer sword went the other way. French hilt, More of a Brit blade in cross section but was only 30 inch long. Not exactly a brilliant design.

    • @CrucibleBlack13
      @CrucibleBlack13 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The 1850 U.S. Officer Sword had an 1845 French hilt, though somewhat more ornate, boasting some of the finer details found on Matt's British hilt & blade. Features such as shark/ray or even sealskin grip and embellishments on the blade. These blades were modeled after an 1821 French sword, with spear tip, and were often 31 - 32" long as well. Though the aesthetics may not be to your liking, there is nothing inherently wrong with the design.

  • @smaspa8627
    @smaspa8627 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great intro, Matt! Sounding very polished.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since you made a comment on this, I was thinking how beautiful the animation is. Even though it has changed for weeks, I was mesmerized when I paused in the middle of a spin.

  • @breaden4381
    @breaden4381 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Your blade has a stiff rod?

  • @corwin32
    @corwin32 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "Ooh! That blade is sharp!" Aaaah! Matt, my anxiety me every time! X D I know you're extremely practiced, but eek!

  • @tlsgrz6194
    @tlsgrz6194 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    So the french ones are shorter but stiffer. The important question now is, who could use it better.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'd argue the British on the simple basis the British did managed to conquer a awful lot of territory in their day.

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +clothar23 - You're saying the French didn't? I don't know if you've ever looked at a map of Africa, but in terms of sheer area, France's colonies in Africa were bigger than those of any other European power. They also conquered nearly all of Southeast Asia and a bigger chunk of Oceania than the British ever did. Admittedly most of those conquests came during the Third Republic and were built on the groundwork of the Second Empire, while this sword was introduced during the July Monarchy, but still; France did conquer a hell of a lot as well.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes the French were prolific conquerors as well but not in the scale the British were. Putting sizes of empires aside what language are we using? The strength of British culture speaks volumes about the capability of it's troops. English being basically the lingua franca for so long I think is yet another mark in favour of the British solider and his sword. Cause ya know no matter where in this wide world you go English speakers can always be found. The same can not be said of French.
      That aside I honestly prefer the French blade in terms of looks and performance .

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The British hegemony occurred right after the French (and essentially deteriorated by WWI). They were both very influential in their own right and in their own times. I don't attribute the dominance of English today to the British but rather to the American post-war (and it's unfair to do so since it was France who secured American independence, historical revisionists be damned), and we can already see signs of this influence shifting since the 2000s.

    • @bugfighter5949
      @bugfighter5949 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@clothar23 We speak English right now because the U.S. invented the internet.

  • @antivalidisme5669
    @antivalidisme5669 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    20 seconds adverts seem to last for days and 20+ min Matt's videos always sem too short for me!
    And as you mentioned there are many variations in both those designs. I have several 1845-1855 French Infantry swords, NCO and officers issues and they all vary in shape, blade, and length. Even the copper proportion in the hilt conception can change from one to another - Bronze

  • @Tijjain
    @Tijjain 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello DicoGrey!!
    I have question: I recently became aware that you've been to Florence Italy via you Q&A. Ill be moving there late this year and would appreciate any advice you could me.

  • @aaronsrowe
    @aaronsrowe 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really enjoy this type of video, straight comparisons of swords, lots to talk about and also a bit more easy to grok the things you talk about with swords for those of use who don't come into contact with them often.

  • @todglenn2707
    @todglenn2707 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a couple of French 1845s, both Châtellerault officers models, one made in 1846 and one made in 1914. The 1846 one masses 903g and the 1914 is 1004g.

  • @pgkraaijen2487
    @pgkraaijen2487 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I happen to own two dutch sabres which seem to benear copies of the french. The 1822 infantry (home guard) sabre is just like the french one you showed (the hilt gives them away), there is also a 1845 pattern that has the same overall construction as the french one, but with substantial differences: A 29" blade of a pipe-back construction with a yelman, spear point and 3" Balance point thanks to a lighter, more flexible blade and a heavier three-bar hilt design. This just feels strong and nimble at the same time, giving much confidence. I remember Maxime Chouinard once demonstrating an 1845 where the Montmorency develops into a pipe-back towards the tip...

  • @tylerreed610
    @tylerreed610 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    14:53 the day we almost see Matt impale himself on camera.

    • @Peldrigal
      @Peldrigal 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Wooo, that's sharp!"
      Kids, don't do this at home!

  • @ThePalacios123
    @ThePalacios123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm fan of the british infantery saber, is so FANCY!

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And I am a fan of the French infantry sword for the exact opposite reason. A plain functional look is what a battlefield weapon should have . It's a tool meant to end lives not to be some fancy prop.

    • @poshboy4749
      @poshboy4749 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      clothar23 You must be fun at parties.

  • @blakewinter1657
    @blakewinter1657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The general effect of fullers is to make the sword stiffer while using the same amount of steel. The precise effects are going to be quite tricky to compute, but I am fairly confident in this general claim. (This is regarding the single vs. double fuller stuff).

  • @alexsan4843
    @alexsan4843 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi @scolagladiatoria aka Matt Easten. Hopefully you still read comments under this video.😄
    I recently bought a frech Infantry officer's saber model 1855 (because it has a steal sheath). Just like that you showed in this video. It is in good condition overall but the horn grib shows its age a little bit and is quite brittle and has some small cracks. Do you have some tips or ideas how to take care of it to prevent further damage?
    Thanks allot.🙂

  • @mikeking6996
    @mikeking6996 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Matt , I enjoyed this comparison of the two 1845 swords and feel a slight leaning towards the French sword overall . Can you tell me are there any differences between the French and the German , Solingen / Horster Infantry Officers swords of the same period ? And why were the same German swords manufactured , for other countries uses ?

  • @jonbeaulieu5009
    @jonbeaulieu5009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello Matt, I recently acquired a French cutlass which I quite enjoy. We are all well aware of your affinity for British cutlasses but have you ever owned any from any other nations and what is your opinion of them?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I've had various other nationalities. They all have different merits. That's quite a complicated topic.

  • @godnaut
    @godnaut 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The etching on the British blade is really nice.
    But the shape of the French blade is really good looking.

  • @SibylleLeon
    @SibylleLeon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always a good thing to gain stiffness for the thrust.

  • @althesmith
    @althesmith 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've got a pic of a General's sword with a wootz Persian shamshir blade in my Wilkinson "Edged Weapons". Still has the maker's cartouche on the blade.

  • @TheKrazy7
    @TheKrazy7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1796 heavy cavalry sword! Please acquire one and talk all about it, I love me some sharpe's

  • @Yanyr0
    @Yanyr0 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do own one of these french infantry officer sabers ! A beautiful piece !
    Unfortunately, my grandfather poorly maintained it and has deep rust spots on the blade. I'm currently looking for a way to restore it.

  • @redhorse7617
    @redhorse7617 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regarding each sabre, at the center of the primary fuller, how thick is the blade? Width and breadth at base and distal taper of each? Point of percussion on each?

  • @alifetomake
    @alifetomake 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    My theory for the different french blades for high ranks would be that they could be recognized from a certain distance, so they could be used to indicate maneuvers, like where to go, or ask for regroup... I'm not a specialist, and it's just an idea.

  • @simonmagnum7821
    @simonmagnum7821 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello,
    Would you consider shooting a video putting both these blade designs to test by cutting and thrusting them into drenched mats or something ?
    A test cutting (and thrusting) bout would be highly interesting, all the more as the French officers in the first world war would often prefer reverting to a 1845 blade than their issued one, deeming it sturdier and more combat-worthy.
    Thanks !

  • @generalgage4780
    @generalgage4780 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    when you charge into battle with a longsword and its 1845 . . .

  • @Lionslycer
    @Lionslycer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know this is years late, but what is “ironic” about the longer, lighter British sword being more flexible than the shorter heavier French sword? Sorry, that kind of confused me.

  • @simontmn
    @simontmn 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    British sword better for duelling enemy officers. French sword seems better for general melee.

  • @JonasUllenius
    @JonasUllenius 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    At time:
    21:11 you have your signature voice that sells things great.
    Really Really good.
    You say it with passion.

  • @m.j.mahoney8905
    @m.j.mahoney8905 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Matt, just out of interest, do you know of any accounts of the Collier flintlock revolver in Indian service? I wonder if they were ever put to use.

  • @HibikiKano
    @HibikiKano 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice video. Do you have any Austrian blades in your collection from around the period?

  • @xlaythe
    @xlaythe 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey there! You mentioned Mamluk swords and their ornamental purpose, as opposed to a "proper fighting blade." I've been really interested in blades and combat from near east/middle east weapons (I know you have a couple of tulwars), especially the Kilij (or Pala rather), and the Shamshir, also Katars - why they are effective or not, and why, and how would they have been useful at all when people were wearing armor?
    Anyway... I have yet to find a channel that focuses on this area of the world and history in a context of weapons and combat and was hoping you knew some stuff about this! Love your channel and thanks!

    • @404Dannyboy
      @404Dannyboy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think he means the British 1831 Pattern which is a Mameluke sabre (western style) but was kept on as a dress sword for generals. It isn't that they were ineffective swords, but that they were dress swords by this period and were built mostly to show status. Also when is a general going to be hacking and stabbing men :p

    • @jonathandbeer
      @jonathandbeer 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd add my interest in this area. I'm very interested in the weapons of the Ottoman Empire in the nineteenth century, and particularly in the Nizam-i-Cedid and the post-Janissary military leading up to and into the Crimean War. In fact, a comparison between the European forces and the Ottoman army in the Crimean from the perspective of their weapons would be fantastic.
      Speaking of which, if you have an inclination to do any videos on the irregular infantry of the Ottoman Empire, the bashi-bozuks (literally "broken-headed ones", as I understand it) that would be fantastic - histories I've read have portrayed them as rogues festooned with pistols and swords and weapons of all descriptions.
      I mean, if you don't mind us putting in request for videos :D

  • @guaise1
    @guaise1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    very interesting video, and very informative. Thank you very much.
    Would you please talk about French 1896 MODEL CUIRASSIER TROOPER'S SWORD as well?
    I find its hand guard quite unique, and an eye catcher.

  • @buffordevans6942
    @buffordevans6942 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt
    My only and like only concern I’ve ever thought I’d have about French sabres is the lack of metal back strap that the British have present in the handle ... And I can’t seem to get a good answer form the forums for some reason but I’ll try here ..... Are the French sabre handles tough enough to really get with it against say a British infantry officers Sabre or even better a ww1 Prussian M73 sabre ???
    🤞

  • @lesliewilson2122
    @lesliewilson2122 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is there a purpose to the different end cap designs, the rounded british cap vs the flat can shaped french cap?

  • @althesmith
    @althesmith 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Btw, as always, Matt, very informative and interesting. Personally, I agree with the late Hank Reinhardt that "There is no "best" sword. Now, in regards to point shapes- you make good points, pun certainly intended- but personally I wonder if the spear-tip is really better on a curved blade than the modified hatchet, or katana or whatever one calls it. If the blade is slightly deflected because of curvature, might not the latter style of tip "dig in" if you follow me, better than the spear tip, and allow at least a partially effective thrust to be made? Also, the hatchet-style does have a little more "meat" in most cases backing the tip. So, it could be that while spear-points are the most effective thrusters where straight weapons are concerned, the others might be optimum for a curved blade.

  • @ivanstrydom8417
    @ivanstrydom8417 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Although I'm all for the Crown and the British empire, I prefer the French sword in this case, the French blade is superb.

  • @robinmarks4771
    @robinmarks4771 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I adore my French 1845. It cuts so immaculately, thrusts beautifully, and its ornate hilt melts my face. By far the favorite sword in my collection.

  • @52156drj
    @52156drj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @penttikoivuniemi2146
    @penttikoivuniemi2146 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm always a little bit worried that you will stab yourself in the hand when you demonstrate flexibility of a sword, and this time it was close lol.
    I have for a long time really liked the British 1845 -type blade for some reason, maybe exactly because of the tip construction and how it looks kinda like a slightly curved medieval sword blade. I feel like I have a wrong opinion among sabre-fans because most seem to favor the 1796 or something like Polish sabres, really curvy, choppy types, but I like how nimble the 1845 one is in the hand.

  • @robertpatter5509
    @robertpatter5509 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder how the French Cavalry NCO Sword Model 1883 compares to the French Officer Model 1961 besides the 1961 being shorter.

  • @Condottier
    @Condottier 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As someone who has hold (an American Civil War adaptation of) the French one I think it is a beast, I would love to see that blade on a full steel hilt like that of the Spanish Robert type

  • @jamesbailey5008
    @jamesbailey5008 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mate, love your content, thank you

  • @renjithrajan6027
    @renjithrajan6027 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the width and thickness of both blades?

  • @lifewithdoberman1701
    @lifewithdoberman1701 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video
    I have same French sword 1855 but handle is lettlebet lose how can I fix it?

  • @minuteman4199
    @minuteman4199 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Which one would you take if your regiment got sent to Crimea?

    • @tamlandipper29
      @tamlandipper29 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Minute Man - a few blankets and permethrin would do you more good.

    • @Wingzero90939
      @Wingzero90939 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      French for my person and the British one since it is longer attached to my saddle as a primary sword until I dismount. Also since the British sword is also spear pointed I could just use it kind of like a lance. There will be plenty of dead soldiers around so I could probably get another one.

  • @philbyrd5561
    @philbyrd5561 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    The british sword had a knot when you checked for balance and would move the point of balance back towards hilt... is that the purpose of the knots as well as identification?

  • @avatarmufasa3628
    @avatarmufasa3628 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hello, British viewer.
    You saying a lack of patriotism has just made my day. I actually think the french sword in this case looks nicer than the british sword

  • @neilpinard7545
    @neilpinard7545 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I do believe that there are two or three lengths for the French 1845, Matt has the shortest example. I could be wrong, I just seem to remember reading this. I too have one of these at the same length. Its a really nice 'little' sword.

  • @Astyanaz
    @Astyanaz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Of the swords directly behind you, what are the third and the fourth from the top. I particularly like the forth from the top, due to the curve. Is a decent replica made?

  • @ThePrader
    @ThePrader 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would love it if you would do a video on the swords carried by "The Yellow Boys" of the India armed forces that were perhaps the best light cavalry in the world, and the swords the famous Colonel, his officers, and the NCO'S wore. Col. Skinner has been a hero of mine from the time I was a little boy and read the first book, of many, about his battles.

  • @gastonjaillet9512
    @gastonjaillet9512 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yes, indeed the hilt of the english one is better, but for the blade, doesn't a longer blade give more opportunities ? I mean, yes the french blade is stiffer and better for thrusting but if you cannot touch before your ennemy... I dont know, really.
    ( And I am french haha)

    • @benjaminabbott4705
      @benjaminabbott4705 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2.5in is potentially enough for a dangerous thrust or cut, depending on the part of the body. Joseph Swetnam claimed a single inch matters: " we have divers examples of those which come out of the field sore wounded, and they will say it was because their enemy had a handfull or a foot ods in length of weapon upon them; wherefore I say one inch is great ods and enough to kill a man, if they both have skill alike, and doe observe a true distance." This is perhaps hyperbole, but various old masters considered reach key. By 16th/17th-century standards, both of the blades here are quite short. Even George Silvers "short sword" had a blade of 37-40 inches. Swetnam recommended a rapier of at least 48in (blade? overall?).

  • @jesserai
    @jesserai 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    is that a star of david on the british 1845? what's the story behind that?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Please search star of david in my videos :-)

    • @jesserai
      @jesserai 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      scholagladiatoria
      done! very interesting. i should have known better than to have asked without searching considering how thorough you tend to be. cheers!

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      For curious viewers too lazy to search: th-cam.com/video/hSNv8n3FPfw/w-d-xo.html

  • @maximechouinard8902
    @maximechouinard8902 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The previous French pattern you show is a 1821, not 1822 which is the cavalry pattern.

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oops :-) Funny because it's the other way around with British - 1822 for infantry and 1821 for cavalry.

    • @maximechouinard8902
      @maximechouinard8902 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am pretty sure that the 1821 (and probably the 1822 by extension) was heavily inspired by the French 1816 light cavalry. I wonder if this played in the balance in France to change the model (which was particularly criticized) and return to more classical Montmorency blades.

  • @Tatti12321
    @Tatti12321 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How much difference does that 10%, 100g, weight actually make? Realistically how much more will that actually tire you, or "speed"/overcome its "extra inertia"?

  • @ericleduc4987
    @ericleduc4987 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incredibly informative video :). Merci

  • @emmasvard4186
    @emmasvard4186 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was wondering, are they not sabres? since they are slightly curved? (i think you mostly referred to them as swords, but i might be wrong) Great video as always! :)

    • @Halinspark
      @Halinspark 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Emma Svärd Yes. But
      sabres are swords, so calling them swords is fine.

    • @duncanrobertson6472
      @duncanrobertson6472 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      All sabres are swords, not all swords are sabres.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hell, depending on how you define sabres (by hilt, for example), even backswords or even straight swords can be called sabres. *gags on vomit*

    • @emmasvard4186
      @emmasvard4186 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Halinspark Ah, of course! Thank you :)

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball3778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The blade on the French sword is just gorgeous- similar curve to a Katana, but with a spear point. I don't really know jack about actually using swords, but aesthetically, it's just beautiful. It's the sword I'd choose to be impaled with if I had to die in a big, cinematic duel- being transfixed through the chest with that thing would just ooze class.

    • @aramos3639
      @aramos3639 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would ooze with blood too 💀

  • @XHobbiesPrime
    @XHobbiesPrime ปีที่แล้ว

    That French lower officers sabre is GORGEOUS.

  • @RonDicken1971
    @RonDicken1971 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've never been fond of American sabers as they, for the most part have the upward swept point, but these two are a kind of saber I could get used to.

  • @junglistmovement352
    @junglistmovement352 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video. Please do german cavalry sabre. M1811 especially.

  • @redhorse7617
    @redhorse7617 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If anything, what would you change about the French blade?

  • @Dark-Mustang
    @Dark-Mustang ปีที่แล้ว

    I've always been under the impression that the higher ranking guys carried blades more akin to court swords, since that was in vogue with the dueling culture of the aristocracy at the time. Not sure why the distinction either, just my impression.

  • @LeveretTranslations
    @LeveretTranslations 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totally unrelated, but do you know what tulwar hilts would have looked like when they were new? Actually come to think of it I don't even know what the hilt material for them typically is...

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      They would have looked pretty much the same, just newer. They are made of iron/steel usually.

  • @stewarthayhurst1079
    @stewarthayhurst1079 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about the senior French officer being mounted may have something to do with the straight blade

  • @RonOhio
    @RonOhio 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the blade design on the French sword. I could just hear a meaty "Thunk" when you were swinging it around.

  • @Wingzero90939
    @Wingzero90939 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt if Napoleon and the Duke of Wellington were to fight each other on the battlefield with swords what do you think their respective choices would be with swords of that time?

  • @TricknologistPHD
    @TricknologistPHD 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey matt, slight correction here - the sword before the Mle1845 is called the Mle1821, at least in all cases I've seen it in.

  • @harjutapa
    @harjutapa 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    If your opponent was to be given the one you did not pick, which of the two would you take?

  • @hector_2999
    @hector_2999 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it more effective to thrust through the ribs with the edge held horizontal?

  • @SilenII
    @SilenII 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As for me I'd simply go with combination of both, with British guard but prolonged (about 3 inches) French blade with both fuller ending around 4 inches from tip. Perfect design in my eyes :)

  • @redneckkhoekhoe6511
    @redneckkhoekhoe6511 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    does the british sword have a heavier hilt and if so would putting it on the french blade make the centre of balance move back and handle better?

  • @Bluemax54
    @Bluemax54 ปีที่แล้ว

    What do you mean by the mutiny?

  • @nicolaiveliki1409
    @nicolaiveliki1409 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think I'd prefer the britisch sword, giving me an edge in not dying from superior hand protection, mobility, and a bit more reach. I might even go for an even longer blade if available, like a 36 inch blade, considering my size (I could easily dangle a 36 inch sword from my waist without dragging it on the ground...)

  • @bobmilaplace3816
    @bobmilaplace3816 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So you want a Pan European Sword? I like the French hilt with a katana blade, has some bad pr but by looks it seems good.

  • @ThePalacios123
    @ThePalacios123 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MATT! I'm jealous , you have very nice swords, I would be very happy with just one of those sabers

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You *may* be in luck! Don't be jealous, by one now!
      He's selling one for the low, low price of £425 + shipping and handling if sales doesn't go through. If it does, maybe check out his other antiques.
      www.fioredeiliberi.org/antique-swords-uk/for-sale/

    • @ThePalacios123
      @ThePalacios123 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh! thanks c:

  • @MrSam1er
    @MrSam1er 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mabe a video about a Swiss military saber or sword ? I have one at home, model 1899, but I would love some expert critics about the 1867 saber !

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have owned an 1867 pattern Swiss sabre and I loved it. I regret selling it a little bit. Though I have to say that with their pipe-back design and relatively narrow blade they are probably pretty bad cutters.

    • @MrSam1er
      @MrSam1er 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok, thanks for the answer ! I believe the 1867 trooper's saber has a more normal blade, with one fuller

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ah, I was talking about the infantry officer's sabre, not a cavalry sabre.

    • @MrSam1er
      @MrSam1er 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that's true, I was just pointing that difference out

  • @rjfaber1991
    @rjfaber1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    _Allons, enfants de la patrie, le jour de gloire est arrivé._ Oh sorry, what was this video about? :p

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      A reminder of how bad my French has gotten..took me 20 seconds to translate that. My french teacher must be rolling in her grave right now.

    • @penttikoivuniemi2146
      @penttikoivuniemi2146 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wake up, children of the nation, your day of glory has arrived?
      I don't speak French, just a guess.

    • @martialme84
      @martialme84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First verse of french national anthem. Nothing about waking up in it.
      More like "let´s go, children of the fatherland...".

    • @rjfaber1991
      @rjfaber1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Pentti Koivuniemi - It's the opening line of La Marseillaise. Just thought it'd be funny in this context...

    • @martialme84
      @martialme84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ehehe...hehe he said "context".... ^^

  • @TheBaconWizard
    @TheBaconWizard 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I assume that the "pipe" of a pipe-backed blade is actually solid and not really a pipe?

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yes it's solid

    • @TheBaconWizard
      @TheBaconWizard 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks :)

    • @RealLuckless
      @RealLuckless 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      As far as I can tell, the 'pipe' in this case appears to have been related to fashion rather than plumbing. What would be interesting to know is whether or not the design was adopted for use in swords from a purely mechanical and design standpoint and later referred to as being piped as was seen in clothing, or if the clothing design influenced some of the original sword designs using it out of a fashion statement, and continued in use due to mechanical properties.

    • @Theduckwebcomics
      @Theduckwebcomics 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would guess that the clothing style came before the sword style. That was very astute to relate the name to "piping" in clothing.
      I think the term is also used for things that are extruded from a pipe, like when you "pipe" icing, so that you end up with a solid cylindrical object that was "piped". The sword version may refer to that (i.e. it may have been produced that way), and the clothing style is probably an oblique reference to it.

    • @xiezicong
      @xiezicong 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      On pipe-back blades - th-cam.com/video/Ac88KiUDMK8/w-d-xo.html

  • @markseal6685
    @markseal6685 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to see a video comparing the Model 1860 Light Calvary Saber to its European counterparts. I believe that it was based on a British pattern, but I cannot remember where I read that at. Cheers

    • @scholagladiatoria
      @scholagladiatoria  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's based on the French 1822, though generally a bit heavier.

    • @markseal6685
      @markseal6685 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the information.

  • @CASHPANDA-vl3bx
    @CASHPANDA-vl3bx 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do you by your swords

  • @danielnelson7582
    @danielnelson7582 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i enjoyed that comparing!!

  • @bmxriderforlife1234
    @bmxriderforlife1234 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    honestly there are some french swords i really like, but yeah im a fan of steel handguards over brass.
    also if you ever manage to get a sword company going or have someone making blades for you, you should do a hybrid of a french and english 1845. sometimes swords dont need to be accurate or even attempt to be proper "replicas" to be fun or nice swords. sorta why i want a kogarasamaru(double edged for the top half or less of the blade) type katana blade(though spring tempered) but set up like a single handed sabre with a complex hilt.
    my buddy has a sword that has a small sword like hilt with a sabre blade, its modern but its kinda cool, kinda feels like a zombie apocalypse sword though as it handles like a cleaver.
    itd also be interesting because then you could potentially have cast replicas made of original hilts and put to test your claim that you can chop through some swords knuckle guards with a sabre. my buddy also has a small sword im fairly certain i could cut through with my longsword or a couple katana i have, or my buddies dao, and probabaly even a viking swords or certain messer. actually you could probably hit it with just a bokken and split it just by snapping the thing, and yeah the idea of going to block a strike and having your fingers chopped off sounds pretty fucking awful.