These tests are not scientific at all.This video was made strictly for fun. Both of these pistols are great and very fun to shoot. Thanks for watching.
It's good cartrige for military when you expect enemy with some ballistic shield or vest, but for police or civil purpose, it's nonsense ammo becuase of you don't transfer all energy to target when it's going directly thru it.
Pistols in a military context are rarely used so I'd rather carry the lighter Makrov for size and weight reasons alone. However I think the TT-33 is the better gun. Also the TT-33 recoiled less even though it uses a more powerful cartridge because it's a tilting barrel and the Makarov PM is straight blow back.
How do you carry the TT-33? It doesn't have an external safety and I am not all too happy carrying it with a round in the chamber and the hammer in the half cock position. Only way I can think of is just to carry it empty chamber and draw Israeli Style
@@tommyle7376 me either wouldn’t be so bad I’d imagine though most of impact and force would be done still hurt though lol plus it’s caliber isn’t that powerful compared to most so has low pressure as it is
@@tommyle7376 The guns were originally meant to be carried in a flap holster with an empty chamber, and the hammer lowered (like most military semi-automatics at the time). The half-cock is only really a safety notch, meant to prevent the gun from going off in the event that the user is cocking the hammer and their thumb slips. While many of the versions that have been imported into the U.S. have been retrofitted with manual safeties of one variety or another, I wouldn't necessarily trust them too much. I owned a Yugo M57 that had been equipped with a frame mounted safety (not unlike that on the 1911), but found that the safety could be deactivated if one pulled the trigger hard enough; the guns were never meant to be equipped with a manual safety, after all. That said, I do believe the current production M57s that Zastava manufactures nowadays have slide mounted safeties, which may have a firing pin block (I'm not 100% sure on this), so if you have your heart set on carrying a Tokarev pistol with a loaded chamber, that is the route I would go.
TT is the best I just love the bullet speed 420m/s ,I wish some company would make a modern TT -33 with double stack magazine, accessory rail and threaded barrel.
Tokarev a beast ive always wanted to shoot a mak havent had the pleasure yet but ill put it into perspective the tok ammo out of that barrel is producing about the same energy ftlb as a 357mag around the very high 400ftlbs to mid low 500ftlbs
@@rmt6495 yeah I don't know if u can get it in USA. I saw some guys in Canada have it but I'm from Germany so I'm fucked anyways xD can't get 7.62 caliber handguns
@@Hfvlx3 ok, obviously you don’t think I know my WW2, yes it did exist, very limited tho so the C93 was not an option for me for as it as not I service like the other pistols
7.62x25 is quite fascinating as pistol ammo. It's real nasty out of a 16" barrel. Both Russian and Chinese ammo for SMG's have been encountered that feature steel cores for additional penetration to compliment it's laser-straight trajectory. I also appreciate the Tokarev's freakishly tall sights and armor defeating capability (up to level 3).
Forget a 16" Barrel, 7.62x25 is one of (if not the) most powerful semi automatic service pistol rounds ever. It's roughly on par with .357 magnum, the only auto pistol cartridge that has it beat is 10mm
I love how these videos are produced. No unnecessary chit chat and caption inserts move things along. Very informative and enjoyable videos ,thank you.
This! Every vid anymore they just never STFU. Like, no bro, you're not a tier 1 operator/gun designer/super genius. Shut up and show the product/comparison.
TT is better. My dad used to use them when he has in the military in the 80's Poland. He said that the round TT shoots was so powerfull that the old bulletproof vests couldn't stop it.
I was using PW 33 (polish production version of TT) as a second weapon of choice in the army. It is a powerful weapon. There is only one minus of the gun: lack of safety lock. It is true that this weapon is able to penetrate old variants of body armour vests. Greetings for all military policemen :)
As a lieutenant, I was astonished to find myself eating breakfast across the mess hall table from a Russian general one morning when I was in the 1st Ranger Battalion at Fort Stewart, Georgia, in 1978. The general was attending our War College and was an honored guest of the Fort's commanding general. He kept me there for three hours as we discussed our armies and what I did in my unit. It was a fantastic experience for me. One thing I learned was pistol qualification in the Russian Army takes place at 80 meters. The general explained the Russians consider their pistols important for fighting in the rubble of cities -- as they often did during World War II. He ended our conversation with this humorous observation: "Lieutenant, the biggest difference I've seen between my army and yours is: in my army the sergeants are skinny like you, and the officers are fat." I would like to add, NOBODY in the US Army is fat anymore. Physical fitness is a big part of service.
@@skullofserpent5727 I know what you mean. I tried it with an issued M1911A1 when I was a range officer one day. At 80 meters the only two ways I could hit a man-size silhouette with more than half my shots were firing off a sandbag in the prone position or with both elbows on a tabletop and sighting with the pistol held at about reading distance from my eyes. I had a thousand or so rounds left over at the end of the day, so my armorer and I burned through it after everybody left. The Army won't let you turn it back in, you know. On the other hand, I don't think the general was lying. Maybe the Russians use bigger targets for qualification? 🙂
@@RoscoesRiffs no. Distance may vary but 25m is farthest u might shoot in training exercises. Bullet count from 3 rounds all the way to 2 magazines. Yes, sure, after practice u might hit things even at 200 meters (jery michulec style) but for pistol, 25 is standard. At least that what it used to be
@@praporbarton3961 kinetic energy of tokarev round is better, problem is that it has too better penetration so it can't transfer energy to target beucase it's going clearly thru, but it's better cartrige when you expect enemy to have bulletproof vest
@@vardanmkrtchyan3452 A CETME is an exact G3, just manufactured in Spain while they were being advised by HK. Of course, a real HK would stomp a Cetme.
I'd rather carry the Makarov, it has a proper safety and decocker, plus it's a single action/double action gun so you're able to carry with one in the chamber and drop the hammer safely so you can rely on that long initial trigger pull as a safety like you would a double action revolver. Being said, the Tokarev is awesome!
TT and particularly Yoguslavian M57 is the best tokarev in my opinion due to 9 + 1 in the chamber capacity. And TT does have a flat trajectory over a distance more than 9mm or Makarov, though I like Makarov a lot as well, and a well placed powerful TT round is enough than two or three 9mm rounds. It's due to these reasons, that my M57 is my choice for CCW and I do carry.
The Tokarev is my Favorite, because it has a better impact and penetration power. The only issue with this Pistol is: The Ammunition isn't that common and more expensive than 9mm.
I love the Tok, CZ52 and the 7.62x25 cartridge. I would love a quality modern double stack/double feed, DA in 7.62x25 with a mag capacity of at least 15
@@hildaalone2232 Thanks! People love to bash Norinco, most of their stuff is very good for the price. I had an M14 clone, it ran better than a Springfield after some hand polishing on the internals plus a spring and trigger kit.
@@比特-b5j pistols where used by a lot of jobs, not only officers, if the job requires a more compact and concelable weapon a makarov is the way to go, if you need something with a bit more powerful the tokarev is a good choice. But in the end both are really good and all boils down to personal preference, personaly i like more the tokarev
Основная разница между ПМ и ТТ в том, что при стрельбе по целое патрон ТТ проходит насквозь, а патрон ПМ останавливается в теле и отбрасывает цель. То есть ПМ - это карманный дробовик, а ТТ - карманная винтовка.
In my observation, the dichotomy is between an official's gun and a soldier's gun, both being Soviet made. The Makarov, being an official's gun, is going to be more presentable, better designed for stopping power, and be better suited to the official that wields it. The Tokarev, being a soldier's gun, was designed to be used in the field, was designed to have penetrating power, and was probably designed to be picked out of the mud and shot again like it's counterpart, the AK-47. Both weapons are really nice, but when it comes down to it, I'll take the Tokarev for it's functionality. The Makarov, on the other hand, reminds me of the PPK/S...
I like both firearms equally, to be honest, I think it would be a tie because the Makarov is lighter than a TT, but a TT has more power than a Makarov. Both carry the same amount of ammunition and both are quite accurate. Therefore I think it would be a tie between the two.
Depends on the environment. If I was inside with closer shots, the Makarov. Outside with longer shots and possibly shooting through light cover the TT is the better option in my opinion.
I work in the Vietnamese army as an armorer so I was carrying a K14 (14rd double-stack version of TT 33) as a standard side-arm. Since I work with guns often, I got the chance to dump a lot of rounds through both the Makarov and TT-33, I much say the TT-33 is a better gun recoil and damage-wise. The only problem with the TT-33 is that it doesn't have a safety(yes you could push the hammer up but that require you to rack the slide before you shoot and no safety is a pretty big flaw)
I liked my tokarev.. for me it was the most accurate little pistol I have owned.. snap shooting I hit my target with in an inch and a half every time both 7.62 and 9mm
9x18 is a little spicier than .380, which a ton of people use for concealed carry. It definitely doesn't compare to 7.62 tokarev, but a makarov is lighter and smaller. I'd rather carry a Tokarev for combat but a Mak for everyday CCW.
What a great video! Absolutely delightful. I had a Tokarev in 9mm many years ago, it was unfortunately stolen. My current defense piece is a Makarov in 9mm Makarov, which is a tad pricey, ya gotta order it, and most of what I find is hollow point (nuthin' wrong with that.) But I got this little guy back when they were $125.00, I gather they cost rather more now. A good, simple, rugged piece -- which is probably why it's lasted this long.
I bought a Russian Makarov in excellent condition for $240(plus a box of HPs) a decade ago and that was a fair price in my opinion. Last time a saw a similar one, $400 was the asking price. Kind of makes me want to go to a gun show and look at prices now.
Makarov is a better and safer carry option. However Tokarev shoots a more powerful round. The 7.62x25mm is a fast moving nasty little round. I have more faith in It than I do in the 9x18mm
Depends on who makes the Makarov bullets. There are FMJ 9x18s out there, though smaller gun ranges often will not allow Bear of Wolf ammo because the steel core is too hazardous to over penetration
Both these guns are symbols of the 90s in Russia and other neighboring states. They symbolize terror, chaos and instability that ruled back then. Nice video.
My Makarov is a pain to reload for as it flings brass in every direction and distance with no pattern. Spend way more time hunting brass than shooting, way more. Don't know if they all do that or it is that particular ejector. Back when there was plenty of surplus throw away ammo it was a joy to shoot.
Thank you for the video. Makarov is the best for daily carrying and for the police. Tokarev is the best for the army. Tokarev is more accurate in shooting.
Makarov for me just because of the weird grip angle of the tokarev, i think the tokarev looks better but that grip angle makes me draw it low every time haha
And at the same time Red Army discarded it after the first conflict (WW2) where it was used. 1. The pistol at that period was considered as an officer selfdefence weapon and a disciplinary tool. And here PM is way better. Combat pistol is a modern concept, the golden age of pistols and handguns combat usage is ww1, them smgs and later Battle and assult rifles suppressed them completely. 2. TT had certain reliabilty production issues (slide could go off back, sure it is an exceptional case but it was seen in the red army) 3. Usability issues (sovjet soldiers have being losing mags) 4. No SA/DA, sure not an issue for 1911 country. 5. Overpenetration and insoficient stoping power of TT round (many sovjet books pointing this as a reason as well).
I am biased towards the Makarov as it is the first pistol i ever owned. It depends on the situation to decide which is best. Close quarters like in a house I would take my Makarov. Somewhere where more accuracy at a distance is needed or light armor piercing, the TT has the advantage. While the TT no doubt has more stopping power, I am confident my Makarov with HPs will drop a charging bear.
Those guns are nice and vintage and I've tested both of them. But once you got used to carry a modern pistol it will be very difficult to use them as a daily weapon.
Not true. I will take a Makarov over a Glock or even the M9 Beretta. Put a few hundred plus round through a Makarov and go fire one oof those "modern" pistols and get back to me.
@@jayrod9979 I put a few THOUSANDS rounds through my Glock and I never had a shooting problem. I can't say the same thing about Makarovs I have seen. On the other hand I didn't say that Makarov's bad. I just sayd that a modern pistol is easier to be carried.
@@mihaimihai9254 I just dont like way a Glock feels in my hands... The M9 Beretta feels more natural to than a Glock, but my experience in the Navy was one jam/stovepipe/misfire in at least 1 in 100 shots so not much love. My Makarov has never jammed/stovepiped/misfired ect. . Obviously there are modern pistols that are superior, but it gets the job done and I would choose it over those 2. Of course a major drawback in a firefight is only having an 8 round magazine. Dropping the magazine quickly with a Makarov takes some practice but is quite doable. Im guessing the first pistol you ever fired was a Glock?
@@mihaimihai9254 What do you mean shooting problem with a Makarov? Like I said, never had mine(Russian version) ever have an issue and ive put some dirty ammo through it. The sights are poor on a Makarov but in a close range tactical situation you will not have time to line up your sights, no matter how good they(the sights) or you are...so that does not worry me. Glocks are known for their reliability and are no doubt accurate. I believe they are still the number one service pistol for law enforcement in the US. They just dont feel natural in my hands...
@@jayrod9979 Hi! I hope you will excuse me for my late answer. I simly haven't seen your replies. The first pistol I fired was a Romanian model 1974 named Carpatzi (Carpathians) a Romanian pistol based on Walter PPK. When I started shooting as a civilian I did it with a CZ 75 and Sig P320. People from the range where I started to shoot have told me that only Glock offers a 10 years waranty for range use. This is why I decided to bet on Glock as a personal weapon. Makarov is a great pistol for its age. It's a master piece comparing it with that Romanian 1974 Model I told you about. But it's a heavy weapon and the sights are not very easy to be seen. On the other hand 9X18 mm ammunition is quite hard to be found in my country. I like a lit Bertta m9. Bertta 92 x performance is on my short list in terms of a competition pistol purchasing, But its to havy for everyday carring. I respect Makarov but I'd never choose it as concealed carry pistol. Let's have in mind the fact that even Russians have replaced it.
In raw power the 7.62x25mm wins. BUT 9x18mm will get the job done. Sadly it's hard to find even passable expanding ammo for the Tok but there are some decent self-defense rounds for 9x18mm (such as are in my P64 on my belt right now). The Tokarev, even though a large pistol, carries quite well concealed, in my experience. It's very flat, the barrel length stabilizes it in the belt and the grip (the hardest bit to hide on a handgun) is really not any bigger than most compact pistols. I carry my Tok (Romanian) sometimes as a woods gun (wild pigs and two-legged meth snakes being of marginal but still valid concern). I've managed to obtain ONE box of Wolf Gold JHPs for it. In water jugs they still penetrate a bit much, but man do they transfer some energy.
Пистолет ТТ был заменён на ПМ как раз из-за слишком высокой пробивной способности пули, выпущенной из ТТ, что сильно снижало ее останавливающее действие. Вследствие этой особенности ТТ был слабо пригоден в качестве полицейского оружия.
very well done! I would like to see more performances like this for advanced users...without a lot of pointless chatter...I have a subscription...Good job!
Well sonny, think on this. Both guns were used in the first and second world war. Germany at the end of both was defeated, and the United States victorious. Its a pretty safe bet to say who the champion would be, the one who won 2 world wars.
I like them both. Bulgarian 1961 Makarov Circle 10, deep purplish finish as per typical of the Bulgarian military Makarovs at the time. A Zastava M70AA 9x19mm TT-33.
I have been shooting and collecting/trading Makarov's for years but, never bothered to get a Tokarev. However, I did own a CZ-52 (Czech made) roller locking pistol and it was a very enjoyable vintage beast!
The tokarev is like the Russian hand canon the makarov is just the smol bio pistol. Have shot many makarovs ( even the rare double stack ) very fun little pistols I gave yet to shoot a tokarev and will ask someone I know if I could shoot theirs
I’d take the TT33. Makarov is lighter and more compact, however the 7.62x25 round does it for me. More likely to incapacitate your target with one shot. It’s a beast of a round. The half hammer cock safety is something you can get used to.
The makarov is a simplified version of a walther pp pistol that was intended for european police and also for personal protection. The Mak fires the more slighty powerful 9mm makarov compared to the 380 ACP. Can be safely carried loaded with a round in the chamber has a 'double action' capability. The TT33 has a quarter cock safety and that is it. Probably meant to be carried on an empty chamber. Fires a full power military cartridge that is well adapted to russian winter conditions like killing a an injured horse going through winter clothing and will penetrate light vehicle sheet metal. Has been made at various times with a hardened steel core projectile as in the Czech M48 loadings.
One thing on size comparison: Tokarev is very thin but long, and Makarov is chunky but short. So, for pocket carry, one is ideal while the other is impossible. For "Mexican Carry" without a holster (not a good practice), one is ideal while the other is impossible.
A close range shot, the 7.62 would likely go right through the target(ie the bad guy), the kind of shot one would take in a self defense situation...the over penetration means much less stopping power. The Makarov 9x18 though not as fast would not over penetrate at close range and in theory(and what i have seen in practice and real world scenarios) does a much better job transferring the energy into the target(bad guy). Look at the exit hole of the first watermelon from the Makarov if you have any doubts about the Makarov not being effective. This makes me want to shoot some watermelons with 9x18 HPs to see how much more effective those are.
My father was shooting Makarov and he said he wasn't able to hit anything and it was uncomfortable to shoot. He fired a S&W magnum and said it's more accurate and just more comfortable. But of course in video games they exaggerate the makarov so much.
These tests are not scientific at all.This video was made strictly for fun. Both of these pistols are great and very fun to shoot. Thanks for watching.
Which one do you think is better for self defense?
Best tokarev is 100% the Romanian Cugir TTC.
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Please, use metric!
All your video are fun so that doesn't matter😁
The penetrating power on the tokarev is insane, that second watermelon got absolutely slumped!
It's good cartrige for military when you expect enemy with some ballistic shield or vest, but for police or civil purpose, it's nonsense ammo becuase of you don't transfer all energy to target when it's going directly thru it.
The exit hole out of the 1st watermelon for both guns was impressive.
@@Pidalin exactly
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Pistols in a military context are rarely used so I'd rather carry the lighter Makrov for size and weight reasons alone. However I think the TT-33 is the better gun. Also the TT-33 recoiled less even though it uses a more powerful cartridge because it's a tilting barrel and the Makarov PM is straight blow back.
How do you carry the TT-33? It doesn't have an external safety and I am not all too happy carrying it with a round in the chamber and the hammer in the half cock position. Only way I can think of is just to carry it empty chamber and draw Israeli Style
@@tommyle7376 could just shoulder holster it even if it did go off most likely gonna hit the ground not you unless you’re wide as hell lol
@@mrban1419 I wouldn't want the round to ricochet into me you know?
@@tommyle7376 me either wouldn’t be so bad I’d imagine though most of impact and force would be done still hurt though lol plus it’s caliber isn’t that powerful compared to most so has low pressure as it is
@@tommyle7376 The guns were originally meant to be carried in a flap holster with an empty chamber, and the hammer lowered (like most military semi-automatics at the time). The half-cock is only really a safety notch, meant to prevent the gun from going off in the event that the user is cocking the hammer and their thumb slips.
While many of the versions that have been imported into the U.S. have been retrofitted with manual safeties of one variety or another, I wouldn't necessarily trust them too much. I owned a Yugo M57 that had been equipped with a frame mounted safety (not unlike that on the 1911), but found that the safety could be deactivated if one pulled the trigger hard enough; the guns were never meant to be equipped with a manual safety, after all.
That said, I do believe the current production M57s that Zastava manufactures nowadays have slide mounted safeties, which may have a firing pin block (I'm not 100% sure on this), so if you have your heart set on carrying a Tokarev pistol with a loaded chamber, that is the route I would go.
TT is the best I just love the bullet speed 420m/s ,I wish some company would make a modern TT -33 with double stack magazine, accessory rail and threaded barrel.
Tokarev a beast ive always wanted to shoot a mak havent had the pleasure yet but ill put it into perspective the tok ammo out of that barrel is producing about the same energy ftlb as a 357mag around the very high 400ftlbs to mid low 500ftlbs
It looks like a p226 but it's in 7.62
@@itsKNR WOW I have to get this gun , thanks :)
@@rmt6495 yeah I don't know if u can get it in USA. I saw some guys in Canada have it but I'm from Germany so I'm fucked anyways xD can't get 7.62 caliber handguns
Vietnam TT 13 round magazine
Colt 1911 v Browning HP
Luger P08 v Walther P38
Type 14 v Type 94
PPK v HSc
Webley Mk VI v Enfield No. 2
SIG M17 vs Beretta M9A3
Luger p08 vs Borchardt c93 not Walther 38
@@Hfvlx3 I was doing WW2
@@Hfvlx3 ok, obviously you don’t think I know my WW2, yes it did exist, very limited tho so the C93 was not an option for me for as it as not I service like the other pistols
@@mufflersponge8969 i agree,
But i just said c93 because its very similar to lugers.but yeah Walther P38 better
7.62x25 is quite fascinating as pistol ammo. It's real nasty out of a 16" barrel. Both Russian and Chinese ammo for SMG's have been encountered that feature steel cores for additional penetration to compliment it's laser-straight trajectory. I also appreciate the Tokarev's freakishly tall sights and armor defeating capability (up to level 3).
3A not 3
Level 3 can stop up to .308
@@LuminaryCursorem I think he's refering to the Russian specifications of 'GOST-3'
7.62tok can vibe-check a fascist through a helmet, therefor it is the superior ammunition.
@@fan9775 Funny how it's biggest threat comes in form of communism now
Forget a 16" Barrel, 7.62x25 is one of (if not the) most powerful semi automatic service pistol rounds ever. It's roughly on par with .357 magnum, the only auto pistol cartridge that has it beat is 10mm
I love how these videos are produced. No unnecessary chit chat and caption inserts move things along. Very informative and enjoyable videos ,thank you.
This! Every vid anymore they just never STFU. Like, no bro, you're not a tier 1 operator/gun designer/super genius. Shut up and show the product/comparison.
TT is better. My dad used to use them when he has in the military in the 80's Poland. He said that the round TT shoots was so powerfull that the old bulletproof vests couldn't stop it.
It will still go through a level 3A vest today.
It means your Dad too was involved in that mass killings of innocent polish people
@@usamaali1066 XD no. He was conscripted to the army, and was using that pistol during shooting practise.
@@usamaali1066 there are no innocent Poles)))))
@@michabuksalewicz8907 - can’t believe the trolls 😈 everywhere ❗️☠️👎🏼
I was using PW 33 (polish production version of TT) as a second weapon of choice in the army. It is a powerful weapon. There is only one minus of the gun: lack of safety lock. It is true that this weapon is able to penetrate old variants of body armour vests. Greetings for all military policemen :)
lack of safety lock is a big problem, I think.
You just dont know. It have safety lock
@@БожидарВ-ц7щ the middle position of the hammer works AS a safety lock,which is true,but it is not a dedicated safety lock, I am afraid...
A bunch of tt33s later had safeties added.
Nice man! Tokarev is best in my opinion.
I got a TT-33C made in Cugir in 1953. My personal favorite gun. It even has the RPR in Star grips (republică populară română.)
Makarov works with less pieces and is more portable
@@FelipeRodrigues-nm4gp it doesn’t really matter at this point man
Tokerov Looks So Good
@@thelegendkiller5746 Makarov looks so good
Oh this'll be so good. I like Makarovs. Haven't shot a Tokarev before. Heard good things
It's very fun to shoot. Has a fairly comfortable recoil but i find there's a notable difference to most other pistols.
As a lieutenant, I was astonished to find myself eating breakfast across the mess hall table from a Russian general one morning when I was in the 1st Ranger Battalion at Fort Stewart, Georgia, in 1978. The general was attending our War College and was an honored guest of the Fort's commanding general. He kept me there for three hours as we discussed our armies and what I did in my unit. It was a fantastic experience for me. One thing I learned was pistol qualification in the Russian Army takes place at 80 meters. The general explained the Russians consider their pistols important for fighting in the rubble of cities -- as they often did during World War II. He ended our conversation with this humorous observation: "Lieutenant, the biggest difference I've seen between my army and yours is: in my army the sergeants are skinny like you, and the officers are fat."
I would like to add, NOBODY in the US Army is fat anymore. Physical fitness is a big part of service.
80 meters qualification for pistol os bullshit. 25 meters is tops. And yes, with makarov.
@@skullofserpent5727 I know what you mean. I tried it with an issued M1911A1 when I was a range officer one day. At 80 meters the only two ways I could hit a man-size silhouette with more than half my shots were firing off a sandbag in the prone position or with both elbows on a tabletop and sighting with the pistol held at about reading distance from my eyes. I had a thousand or so rounds left over at the end of the day, so my armorer and I burned through it after everybody left. The Army won't let you turn it back in, you know. On the other hand, I don't think the general was lying. Maybe the Russians use bigger targets for qualification? 🙂
@@skullofserpent5727 He probably confused meters with feet. 80 feet is approximately 25 meters
@@RoscoesRiffs no. Distance may vary but 25m is farthest u might shoot in training exercises. Bullet count from 3 rounds all the way to 2 magazines. Yes, sure, after practice u might hit things even at 200 meters (jery michulec style) but for pistol, 25 is standard. At least that what it used to be
@@skullofserpent5727 Well, yeah -- at least in our Army. I've never been in the Russian Army, so I can only report what the general told me. 🙂
I would take the Makarov, its smaller, lighter and does the job pretty well for self defence.
tokarev is even a small gun but it does hard damage
It's literally does less damage than any 9mm Luger
it's a bit bigger but has less power and does less damage
@@praporbarton3961 "Less Damage" is debatable, but muzzle energy is always greater for 7.62x25mm unless you count the special Russian 9x19mm +P+ loads
@@praporbarton3961 it is a faster round than 9mm.
@@praporbarton3961 kinetic energy of tokarev round is better, problem is that it has too better penetration so it can't transfer energy to target beucase it's going clearly thru, but it's better cartrige when you expect enemy to have bulletproof vest
G3 vs FAL would be awesome
Or Cetme vs G3
@@vardanmkrtchyan3452 A CETME is an exact G3, just manufactured in Spain while they were being advised by HK. Of course, a real HK would stomp a Cetme.
but I prefer Makarov, the components are only a few, very simple and easy to maintain
Same way with the tokarev
I'd rather carry the Makarov, it has a proper safety and decocker, plus it's a single action/double action gun so you're able to carry with one in the chamber and drop the hammer safely so you can rely on that long initial trigger pull as a safety like you would a double action revolver. Being said, the Tokarev is awesome!
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TT and particularly Yoguslavian M57 is the best tokarev in my opinion due to 9 + 1 in the chamber capacity.
And TT does have a flat trajectory over a distance more than 9mm or Makarov, though I like Makarov a lot as well, and a well placed powerful TT round is enough than two or three 9mm rounds.
It's due to these reasons, that my M57 is my choice for CCW and I do carry.
Next: luger vs p38
Luger is very archaic and complicated design, P38 is much better pistol.
@@Pidalin actually I have shot both Walter P38 and Luger P08 But Luger is beyond better in precision
The Tokarev is my Favorite, because it has a better impact and penetration power.
The only issue with this Pistol is: The Ammunition isn't that common and more expensive than 9mm.
I love the Tok, CZ52 and the 7.62x25 cartridge. I would love a quality modern double stack/double feed, DA in 7.62x25 with a mag capacity of at least 15
Check out the np762, its a chinese sig clone in 7,62x25
@@hildaalone2232 Thanks! People love to bash Norinco, most of their stuff is very good for the price. I had an M14 clone, it ran better than a Springfield after some hand polishing on the internals plus a spring and trigger kit.
@@hildaalone2232 An M1 Carbine clone in 7.62x25 that takes PPS mags would be pretty damn fun.
They’re different pistols, both are interesting, reliable and effective. Love them both
2 weapons with their own caracteristics and needs, both guns have their own place and do their job very well, in the end it's a win win!
@Socrates crystal_ball if you don't shoot a political prisioner point-blank in the head you aren't using these pistols in the right way
A pistol is more like a decoration for an army officer. (not a weapon)
So I would like to pick Makarov.
@@比特-b5j pistols where used by a lot of jobs, not only officers, if the job requires a more compact and concelable weapon a makarov is the way to go, if you need something with a bit more powerful the tokarev is a good choice. But in the end both are really good and all boils down to personal preference, personaly i like more the tokarev
@@jaogileme7082 Tokarev with high penetration combined its lack safety, that is the fatal problem.
@@比特-b5j
The Cuban Policia still carry Makarov's as their service pistol.
It is far more than an officer's decoration.
This is like Paul Harrel but without the shatner-esqe pauses.
I'll be the judge.
He's what you might call a professional.....
Основная разница между ПМ и ТТ в том, что при стрельбе по целое патрон ТТ проходит насквозь, а патрон ПМ останавливается в теле и отбрасывает цель. То есть ПМ - это карманный дробовик, а ТТ - карманная винтовка.
I've heard Tokarevs are powerful but, I didn't expect it to ring the steel like that.
Очень хороший формат видео, все не торопливо и по делу. Спасибо 👍👍👍👍
Běž domů ivane, čeká tě nataša ...
@@psisteak4122иди домой пшек, тебя ждёт Кшиштоф....
@@psisteak4122чо тут пшекаешь, залупа? Это Советские стволы вы всё равно в них нихрена не понимаете!
I am definitely a fan of both pistols, but I've just always liked the Tokarev more. Excellent video.
In my observation, the dichotomy is between an official's gun and a soldier's gun, both being Soviet made. The Makarov, being an official's gun, is going to be more presentable, better designed for stopping power, and be better suited to the official that wields it.
The Tokarev, being a soldier's gun, was designed to be used in the field, was designed to have penetrating power, and was probably designed to be picked out of the mud and shot again like it's counterpart, the AK-47.
Both weapons are really nice, but when it comes down to it, I'll take the Tokarev for it's functionality. The Makarov, on the other hand, reminds me of the PPK/S...
Well I think the tokarev has the superior ammo but in terms of ergonomics the Makarov is probably better
Definitely, Makarov is smaller and has better grip, Tokarov has really weird shape and almost 90° angle between barrel and grip, which is weird too.
@@Pidalin A criminal assaulting you in your home at 3 in the morning will wonder about that grip angle too while he eats lead!!
I like both firearms equally, to be honest, I think it would be a tie because the Makarov is lighter than a TT, but a TT has more power than a Makarov. Both carry the same amount of ammunition and both are quite accurate. Therefore I think it would be a tie between the two.
Depends on the environment. If I was inside with closer shots, the Makarov. Outside with longer shots and possibly shooting through light cover the TT is the better option in my opinion.
This was great to watch I’d love to see more VS videos if you do I’ve love to see Glock vs Beretta
Thanks brother I appreciate the kind words! That’s a great suggestion, I will add that to the list.
@@GunsOfTheWorld please can you make a video Sig P320 vs Beretta M9A3?
Beretta always wins
Несмотря на мощь патрона взял бы ПМ по причине более высокой надёжности, качеству изготовления и простоты конструкции
Пм современнее и лучше чем тт.
This was a hilarious and fun test. Thanks for sharing. I prefer the Makarov personally.
I work in the Vietnamese army as an armorer so I was carrying a K14 (14rd double-stack version of TT 33) as a standard side-arm.
Since I work with guns often, I got the chance to dump a lot of rounds through both the Makarov and TT-33, I much say the TT-33 is a better gun recoil and damage-wise. The only problem with the TT-33 is that it doesn't have a safety(yes you could push the hammer up but that require you to rack the slide before you shoot and no safety is a pretty big flaw)
Huh, a Vietnamese. Wasn't expecting this.
@@toanquoc3932 neither did i
they could just improve Tokarov design, but they didn't want to, politics wanted new pistol
Just keep the hammer at half cock. It locks up the entire gun...then to shoot it just cock the hammer and fire.
Its NOT a flaw. It's a combat necessity. In the heat of combat you don't want to fumble with safeties. Your trigger finger is the safety.
I liked my tokarev.. for me it was the most accurate little pistol I have owned.. snap shooting I hit my target with in an inch and a half every time both 7.62 and 9mm
9x18 round is anemic. I have seen that at one time someone did a 1911 in 7.62 x25. I wish someone would put this round to use in a modern platform.
9x18 is a little spicier than .380, which a ton of people use for concealed carry. It definitely doesn't compare to 7.62 tokarev, but a makarov is lighter and smaller. I'd rather carry a Tokarev for combat but a Mak for everyday CCW.
@@000Mazno000I always wanted to get a tok and trim the barrel and slide down to have s baby tok have no idea if it'd work but it'd be cool.
Couple weeks ago I saw security guard carrying oldschool, probably polish surplus TT (it had black finish)
More of these types of videos.
Brilliant. Thank you for making and sharing the above. Watch and see the results. Your format stands out from the crowd.
Thanks man! I appreciate the kind words!
It would be interesting test PPsH-41 and mp 40. MP40 and Sten. PPsH-41 and thompson
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Para reflexionar 🤔
Cyka
@@elangrymateo7521 en efecto
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Both are good guns but if I had to choose I’d pick the Makarov
Tokarov is pure love 💘
Makarov is an awesome handgun too,but the magzine release is something I do not like in a Makarov
Makarov hits like a Hot 380
Tokarev hits like a 357sig
What a great video! Absolutely delightful. I had a Tokarev in 9mm many years ago, it was unfortunately stolen. My current defense piece is a Makarov in 9mm Makarov, which is a tad pricey, ya gotta order it, and most of what I find is hollow point (nuthin' wrong with that.) But I got this little guy back when they were $125.00, I gather they cost rather more now. A good, simple, rugged piece -- which is probably why it's lasted this long.
I see polish maks go for almost 600 bucks
@@Brennan_the_smith Wow -- glad I got my Russian (Baikal mfg.) Mak when I did!
I bought a Russian Makarov in excellent condition for $240(plus a box of HPs) a decade ago and that was a fair price in my opinion. Last time a saw a similar one, $400 was the asking price.
Kind of makes me want to go to a gun show and look at prices now.
I think I'll pick both Soviet pistols. They're both my favorite
I believe this is the correct answer.
@@metal4ever516 I agree
Makarov is a better and safer carry option.
However Tokarev shoots a more powerful round.
The 7.62x25mm is a fast moving nasty little round. I have more faith in It than I do in the 9x18mm
I'd go with the TT-33, but I'll take the Makarov if I need to. By the way, I didn't know the 9x18mm projectile had a hollow cavity.
Depends on who makes the Makarov bullets. There are FMJ 9x18s out there, though smaller gun ranges often will not allow Bear of Wolf ammo because the steel core is too hazardous to over penetration
I just wish Makarovs were cheaper nowadays. They used to be around $300, now certain places are selling them for $500+.. insane
Both these guns are symbols of the 90s in Russia and other neighboring states. They symbolize terror, chaos and instability that ruled back then. Nice video.
Why in 90s? It was used by mafia?
@@Pidalin by thugs
Both protect the motherland, that's good enough
Makarov 👌❤️
Saludos desde México 🇲🇽✋
My Makarov is a pain to reload for as it flings brass in every direction and distance with no pattern. Spend way more time hunting brass than shooting, way more. Don't know if they all do that or it is that particular ejector. Back when there was plenty of surplus throw away ammo it was a joy to shoot.
How about a 4 way, side by side, comparison (Makarov PM & CZ-82 in 9mm Makarov + Tokarev & CZ-52 in 7.62x25mm Tokarev) ??? Anyone????
I like them both. But I am not surprised by the results.
Thank you for the video. Makarov is the best for daily carrying and for the police. Tokarev is the best for the army. Tokarev is more accurate in shooting.
Cartrige of PM 9mm [powder 0,25 g.], Of TT [powder 0,50 g.]
Нет лучше каратэ, чем в кармане два ТT!!)))
2 кольта 1911
Калаш получше будет !
Odlican test svaka cast samo napred.Licno bih prednost dao TT👍
Makarov for me just because of the weird grip angle of the tokarev, i think the tokarev looks better but that grip angle makes me draw it low every time haha
It has the old style grip angle. Good for single hand shooting.
Both very nice guns! Your steel rings like bells, celebrating your hits.
The Tokarev is the winner...🥇🏆
And at the same time Red Army discarded it after the first conflict (WW2) where it was used.
1. The pistol at that period was considered as an officer selfdefence weapon and a disciplinary tool. And here PM is way better. Combat pistol is a modern concept, the golden age of pistols and handguns combat usage is ww1, them smgs and later Battle and assult rifles suppressed them completely.
2. TT had certain reliabilty production issues (slide could go off back, sure it is an exceptional case but it was seen in the red army)
3. Usability issues (sovjet soldiers have being losing mags)
4. No SA/DA, sure not an issue for 1911 country.
5. Overpenetration and insoficient stoping power of TT round (many sovjet books pointing this as a reason as well).
@@alexeysaphonov232 #4 isn't an issue for a 1911 user, but the lack of a manual safety definitely is.
@@hailexiao2770 I ment that for the country which kept 1911 from 1911 up until 1982 and beyond SA only is not a problem.
Конечно все советские знает что тт сильнее.
I am biased towards the Makarov as it is the first pistol i ever owned.
It depends on the situation to decide which is best. Close quarters like in a house I would take my Makarov. Somewhere where more accuracy at a distance is needed or light armor piercing, the TT has the advantage.
While the TT no doubt has more stopping power, I am confident my Makarov with HPs will drop a charging bear.
Those guns are nice and vintage and I've tested both of them. But once you got used to carry a modern pistol it will be very difficult to use them as a daily weapon.
Not true. I will take a Makarov over a Glock or even the M9 Beretta.
Put a few hundred plus round through a Makarov and go fire one oof those "modern" pistols and get back to me.
@@jayrod9979 I put a few THOUSANDS rounds through my Glock and I never had a shooting problem. I can't say the same thing about Makarovs I have seen. On the other hand I didn't say that Makarov's bad. I just sayd that a modern pistol is easier to be carried.
@@mihaimihai9254
I just dont like way a Glock feels in my hands...
The M9 Beretta feels more natural to than a Glock, but my experience in the Navy was one jam/stovepipe/misfire in at least 1 in 100 shots so not much love.
My Makarov has never jammed/stovepiped/misfired ect. .
Obviously there are modern pistols that are superior, but it gets the job done and I would choose it over those 2. Of course a major drawback in a firefight is only having an 8 round magazine. Dropping the magazine quickly with a Makarov takes some practice but is quite doable.
Im guessing the first pistol you ever fired was a Glock?
@@mihaimihai9254
What do you mean shooting problem with a Makarov?
Like I said, never had mine(Russian version) ever have an issue and ive put some dirty ammo through it.
The sights are poor on a Makarov but in a close range tactical situation you will not have time to line up your sights, no matter how good they(the sights) or you are...so that does not worry me.
Glocks are known for their reliability and are no doubt accurate. I believe they are still the number one service pistol for law enforcement in the US. They just dont feel natural in my hands...
@@jayrod9979 Hi! I hope you will excuse me for my late answer. I simly haven't seen your replies. The first pistol I fired was a Romanian model 1974 named Carpatzi (Carpathians) a Romanian pistol based on Walter PPK. When I started shooting as a civilian I did it with a CZ 75 and Sig P320. People from the range where I started to shoot have told me that only Glock offers a 10 years waranty for range use. This is why I decided to bet on Glock as a personal weapon. Makarov is a great pistol for its age. It's a master piece comparing it with that Romanian 1974 Model I told you about. But it's a heavy weapon and the sights are not very easy to be seen. On the other hand 9X18 mm ammunition is quite hard to be found in my country. I like a lit Bertta m9. Bertta 92 x performance is on my short list in terms of a competition pistol purchasing, But its to havy for everyday carring. I respect Makarov but I'd never choose it as concealed carry pistol. Let's have in mind the fact that even Russians have replaced it.
Had a new unissued makrov Russian bought for 180 sold it really liked it. 😊this was 18 years ago.
Я будучи ребёнком когда плакал, единственное что меня успокаивало это когда батя давал мне Макаров. П.М. спасибо за счастливое детство😁
А сейчас чего просишь?😂
- Сейчас он просит патрон к нему чтобы застрелиться.
@@xnbvcxy72673 а сейчас мамочку твою хочу🥰
@@hztn остришь, остроголовый? Сейчас отстреливаю скрепоносцев.
Ордынских мразей за версту слыхать😁
In raw power the 7.62x25mm wins. BUT 9x18mm will get the job done. Sadly it's hard to find even passable expanding ammo for the Tok but there are some decent self-defense rounds for 9x18mm (such as are in my P64 on my belt right now). The Tokarev, even though a large pistol, carries quite well concealed, in my experience. It's very flat, the barrel length stabilizes it in the belt and the grip (the hardest bit to hide on a handgun) is really not any bigger than most compact pistols. I carry my Tok (Romanian) sometimes as a woods gun (wild pigs and two-legged meth snakes being of marginal but still valid concern). I've managed to obtain ONE box of Wolf Gold JHPs for it. In water jugs they still penetrate a bit much, but man do they transfer some energy.
Пистолет ТТ был заменён на ПМ как раз из-за слишком высокой пробивной способности пули, выпущенной из ТТ, что сильно снижало ее останавливающее действие. Вследствие этой особенности ТТ был слабо пригоден в качестве полицейского оружия.
The winner is the grocery store where you bought the melons and the sodas.
If it takes me the rest of my life I'll track down the watermelon-murderer
very well done! I would like to see more performances like this for advanced users...without a lot of pointless chatter...I have a subscription...Good job!
In other words, this is Walther PPK vs Browning M1903
Please next one: Beretta 92/98 vs Glock G17/ G19 or something like that. 🙄
I have both, but the Makarov is my favorite.
Cool i want Luger vs Colt
Well sonny, think on this. Both guns were used in the first and second world war. Germany at the end of both was defeated, and the United States victorious. Its a pretty safe bet to say who the champion would be, the one who won 2 world wars.
@@TheOriginalShoneBoyOnYT * pain *
I like them both. Bulgarian 1961 Makarov Circle 10, deep purplish finish as per typical of the Bulgarian military Makarovs at the time. A Zastava M70AA 9x19mm TT-33.
Да кто бы мог подумать, вот никто не ожидал такого результата. Давайте снимите еще сравнение скорострельности "стечкина" и "нагана"
Tokarev way more powerfull and still zero recoil , defently my choice , still the Makarov isnt bad.
Makarov por siempre , ligera , ergonomía superior , es una garantía mecánica ; por su parte la TT tiende a encasquillarse tras el uso continuado.
Do ballistic gel and you’ll see how superior the tok is
Virgin Makarov vs Chad Tokarev
Opposite furry
I have been shooting and collecting/trading Makarov's for years but, never bothered to get a Tokarev. However, I did own a CZ-52 (Czech made) roller locking pistol and it was a very enjoyable vintage beast!
The tokarev is like the Russian hand canon the makarov is just the smol bio pistol. Have shot many makarovs ( even the rare double stack ) very fun little pistols I gave yet to shoot a tokarev and will ask someone I know if I could shoot theirs
Have you shot one yet?
@@blueninja9263 sadly not all I know though is the triggers are insanely good for a Russian gun from WW2
I have a Zastava m57. Good gun, just wish the 7.62x25 cartridge was as available as the 9mm!
I saw some yesterday for $40 a box and I passed on it. If I had been low I probably would have paid that much.
I’d take the TT33. Makarov is lighter and more compact, however the 7.62x25 round does it for me. More likely to incapacitate your target with one shot. It’s a beast of a round.
The half hammer cock safety is something you can get used to.
If I were to face a four legged Russian bear I would prefer the Tok. I do like the action of the Mak family though second only to a DA revolver.
that's the best looking makarov ive seen
Оба хороши!!! Жаль, у нас в США их официально -не купить!!!
'aetaqid 'ana alwilayat almutahidat laitahab 'an tadkhul al'aslihat alruwsiat fi 'aswaqiha likafayatiha
Tok for winter, Mak for summer.
0:42 would be nice if u used international system
The makarov is a simplified version of a walther pp pistol that was intended for european police and also for personal protection. The Mak fires the more slighty powerful 9mm makarov compared to the 380 ACP. Can be safely carried loaded with a round in the chamber has a 'double action' capability. The TT33 has a quarter cock safety and that is it. Probably meant to be carried on an empty chamber. Fires a full power military cartridge that is well adapted to russian winter conditions like killing a an injured horse going through winter clothing and will penetrate light vehicle sheet metal. Has been made at various times with a hardened steel core projectile as in the Czech M48 loadings.
Tokarev round has best ballistics . So they should have kept the round , and just make a new pistol with 15 capacity
Na but the recoil is hard
They habe a good Ground why they change it
@@runninginthe40s . Ever tried yugo TT . It has a different captive guide rod system and longer grip . And the recoil is way down from the original .
@Pakifag . Ppsh didnt exist in 1930 . So wrong statement !
@Pakifag The PPSH was in 7.62x25 because it was the service pistol round at that time. It has nothing to do with that.
Ahh- the R Lee Ermey test! -owned two Makarovs- wonderful pistols.......
I love the makarov.
One thing on size comparison: Tokarev is very thin but long, and Makarov is chunky but short. So, for pocket carry, one is ideal while the other is impossible. For "Mexican Carry" without a holster (not a good practice), one is ideal while the other is impossible.
Спасибо за это видио.,)
I think the 7.62 cartridge has better performance than the 9x18mm but the Makarov has a nicer look. I like both guns.
A close range shot, the 7.62 would likely go right through the target(ie the bad guy), the kind of shot one would take in a self defense situation...the over penetration means much less stopping power.
The Makarov 9x18 though not as fast would not over penetrate at close range and in theory(and what i have seen in practice and real world scenarios) does a much better job transferring the energy into the target(bad guy).
Look at the exit hole of the first watermelon from the Makarov if you have any doubts about the Makarov not being effective.
This makes me want to shoot some watermelons with 9x18 HPs to see how much more effective those are.
Tokarev wins
the thing i love about the Tokarev is it’s old school all steel…over these polymer look a likes
Однозначно Токарев!
My father was shooting Makarov and he said he wasn't able to hit anything and it was uncomfortable to shoot. He fired a S&W magnum and said it's more accurate and just more comfortable. But of course in video games they exaggerate the makarov so much.