I'm another asexual trans girl and also came here to say this makes no sense whatsoever Euphoria hits me like a truck but I'm not getting a "euphoria boner" it's not sexual to want to be the opposite gender man just doesn't seem to understand why people might get turned on by thinking of themselves having sex as their correct gender.
The fact that he thinks trans women putting on women's clothes is sexual is inherently misogynistic. As a trans man, I have never once heard someone tell me that I'm transitioning just for sexual gratification, because being a man is not seen as sexual. However, because of how sexualized women are in general, people assume that the only reason you would want to be one is for sexual gratification. It is so sad how sexualized feminine clothing and just femininity in general is.
nobody is calling YOU an autogynophile. the whole point of the original video was to bring awareness to the fact that transgenderism is a spectrum and there are different ways of feeling like you're trans. theres the dysphoric kind that the majority of trans people experience, and theres an autogynophillic kind that a fringe amount of trans people experience. its not a dig against you, or the trans community. hes just pointing out the many different varieties of trans people that exist. why is this fact so offensive to you guys?
@@innocehnt75 If that is truly his point he's not doing a very good job of getting it across because he repeatedly says that transness is a made up ideology/religion and that actually anyone who's a trans woman is really just a trans identifying man who's actually AGP. That's what people are annoyed about.
@@sokkyoku Tho I agree with @innocehnt75 and Ray, i must accept That Ray is tactless when dealing with these topics, but thats because he has an pragmatic philosophy, tho is not personal, and he have a lot of points. Personally his videos have helped me with my AGP and my dysphoria, because knowing oneself is important to make hard decisions
@@AppImage make an appointment with your nearest planned parenthood, they do informed consent hrt, in which they give you all the info about what hormones will do and you can say "sounds good sign me up" source: 3 months on E with planned parenthood
this guy is basically part of the "I detransitioned so no one else should be allowed to transition" crowd, the real groomers are the folks preying on vulnerable detransitioners by making out that they're some kind of victim and using them to make they're anti-trans arguments seem balanced and reasonable.
side note for people who still get, i guess, conflicted on detransitioners because theyve only seen the bad side... detransitioners are cool the vast majourity of the time, being associated with the trans community and living the trans experience makes for great allyship, yes sometimes it can turn to hatered, yes there are detransitioners who think all trans people are a detransition waiting to happen, but keep an open mind
@@neeco836 I put the whole transitioning thing on pause mostly for perceived societal reasons, then just got back to transitioning ten years later. Now I'm in the middle of it I just wonder what I was thinking not doing it earlier.. so much wasted time
Also, a classic demonstration of using cherry picked science to validate your bigotry. Transphobes literally have nothing except Blanchard’s description of autogynephilia. They bring it up all the time when trying to devalue the existence of trans people .Despite the fact that it was never widely accepted and is now even less well accepted. It’s like when racists have to resort to 19th century phrenology books to justify their bigotry
I try to not hate people like this, because I’m assuming there was a lot of frustration pre-transition. Transition didn’t fix that, so still lots of frustration. And then there was a lot of frustration post detransition. So frustration all around. And then that frustration turns into hate. Hate attracts them to a hateful crowd of people. And then they arrive here, posting reactionary videos about how millions of people are actually fake. But, also, real?
@@GlamaryllisI try my hardest to respect other peoples opinions so long as they’re healthy and productive even if I don’t agree with it because that’s what I want for myself but this is awful and honestly degrading and I don’t think people should be free to express their hateful opinions
@@Yogaismehh as a trans woman myself (not unique around here) I also find everything this guy’s said to be absolutely disgusting; but the problem I have isn’t that he’s free to express it. He can express whatever he wants. My problem is not knowing if someone’s going to be able to un-f**k the damage done to impressionable brains that digest his opinions. So, I suppose, it’s important to at least know what’s out there…
@@Milo-it1tf Metal band names can vary wildly depending on the subgenre which there are literally thousands of. Also yeah I'm aware that Infant Annihilator is an actual band because I listen to them sometimes.
Strange. After i came out as trans, i shortly thereafter recognized that i was ace as well. So there is, to me, a very clear distinction between gender and sexuality.
yeah, they can vary independently. there's just a lot of confused people who really want cishetbreeder to be the only thing that exists, because they can't stand for things to be more complex than what they learned in kindergarten
The old myth of trans women as sex predators is ridiculous, imagine if your only understanding of cis people came from porn? Because it is where most of them get their "understanding" of trans people from. Most pre-op people are completely dysfunctional down there after 2-5 years on HRT no longer produce sperm after 18 months, yet they are always talking about how trans women and even trans men should be sterilized.
Idk how he possibly simultaneously thinks all trans women are horny all the time but have also nuked their libido. If they’re horny all the time, why would they willingly choose to nuke their libido? If it’s a kink or a fetish, the last thing you’d want to do is chemically ruin your sexual gratification right??
@@demonicloaf2100 but seriously it’s actually really fucking distressing being constantly aroused for several days as I was. Masturbating didn’t relieve it, and I have no partner. It was an extremely uncomfortable time
1:29 icky is right, someone used Blanchard's AGP questionnaire on cis women and 93℅ of them satisfy the criteria for AGP. In other words, Blanchard reeeaaallly tried to other trans women based on something completely normal for women, cis or trans, to experience
I just looked up the questionnaire. That thing is ridiculous! (Not surprised, just angry) It's just asking if you are a woman who thinks about sex sometimes, asking the question 50 times...
No, Icky is wrong. Only 10% of women have been confirmed to be turned on by themselves. The vast majority of women have no sexual feeling about themselves. This is a lie AGP trans women have pushed to avoid having to accept the reality of their feelings.
The term " Autogynophilia " is problematic, but some AMABs are turned on by the thought of being women. Some of them are the most cis men on the planet, but some of them do turn out to be trans, and were using the fantasy as a safety valve outlet for inconvenient feelings. So, I would use the term " transcurious " instead. Another term is " sis' " but that's unfortunate as well because it sounds like " cis " and is an abbreviation for " sissy " which describes a fettish that is a bit too specific to represent the whole of transcuriosity. If it's a fettish, imagine a man who has it, trying to prove it's a fettish.
What a weird, creepy, person. I say creepy because as a transphobic detrans man presumably all the things he claims trans women do and are, in reality it's him that those things apply to, which makes him have this really unnerving vibe. It's like every time he says a gross thing about trans women, it's obvious he's projecting about himself.
Yup and How long before he starts again with the hormones' himself ???????????????? he's still using nail polish and makeup................ He's just capitalizing on the "De-trans BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do people like him tend to project their very own experiences as general canon, when it's in fact not true and simply isn't applicable to everyone, and is in fact not what the trans community experiences? I've experienced it very differently on my own so far and other trans people around me as well. This guy is confused or maybe it's his way to seek remedy for his actions, which he seems to regret in a way? Dude, this is YOUR life and your mind that works this way, not mine. 😅 I'm all out and everything that I wear is simply just my clothing and stuff. It's not a turn on, it's so that I don't have to be naked. 😂 (And it's expression, style). Would you say that I'm a pervert for wearing a girl shirt? Well guess what, it's just a Shirt. It's gendered but it's still a shirt. My lipstick #185 has a nice colour which complements my face. I apply it so I'm happy with how it fits me and it's euphoric. You're thinking that we all just run around in fetishised clothing and stuff all the time huh? Some of us just wear baggy clothes and do nothing at all but are just as valid, maybe doing HRT .... God he has no clue whatsoever. Twisting it all around to make it fit HIS narrative. Should've gone to therapy for a bit longer. TRIGGERED 😂
He sounds like someone who rushed into transitioning without actually understanding himself, it didn’t make him feel all happy joy joy, and now thinks it’s just a fad people do.
I'm a cis lesbian. I watch a lot of trans content; trans women, trans men, non-binary people. It didn't make me trans. It made me question my gender, sure, I think it's probably a good idea that everyone does, and if I was trans it would have probably made me realise that, but I questioned it and I realised that I'm not. I'm very comfortable being a woman and being seen as a woman. But if your gender doesn't match what people see you as, that's fine too, and I think the more its normalised for cis people to question their gender, the younger trans people will figure themselves out. Same goes for sexuality. I think everyone should question their identity to know who they really are, rather than just assuming they're the "normal" thing unless something makes them realise they're not.
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You are born the sex you are born. How you choose to 'present' is irrelevant to sex. A man will always be a man. Do you date trans women? No, because as a lesbian you're only attracted to women. Unless you are co-opting that word like so many others do, including men.
There are a lot of lesbians that are cis women that me as a trans woman have dated they have only ever dated women and don't like men your argument falls flat when you realize that lesbians date trans women
@@conlon4332 Thanks for being a vocal majority. At least I like to hope the majority of people apply common sense empathy and ration to how we treat each other. I'm guilty of consuming, liking and sharing mostly.
For the most parts and the sake of simplicity i'd consider myself as a hetero man. But i have a pretty strong idgaf mentality, so sometimes i do wear womens clothes because i like how the look or they feel comfy, or im pretty sure (although i've not tried it too much yet) i don't have a problem to get down with dudes. So i'm not sure if i'm genderfluid bi, or like i said a hetero man and just don't care. But does it really matter? I guess for some people it's good to define who they are, but i don't really care. For everyone who needs to hear this, just find a way to live that makes you happy, no matter if man or woman or something inbetween.
this feels like a conversion therapy situation. they smile looking back on gender euphoric things and look depressed talking about his "fixes" someone needs to help them
I find it strange from many of these people claim they are no longer trans, yet it was; 'all about the clothes' So why has he suddenly stopped wearing the clothes he loved then if he was AGP? Similar to when you lose someone you love you still think about them all the time and don't just instantly stop loving them. same as you don't instantly stop doing something you loved and got pleasure from.
there were a couple of studies that took the criteria for "diagnosing" autogynephilia in trans women and applied it to cis women, and like 80% to 90% also counted as autogynephils. So if autogynephilia is said to be a thing, and if trans women exhibit autogynephilia, that just counts as another trait trans women share with cis women
I was almost indoctrinated by the Big Icky too, but thankfully I already knew I was trans before she had the chance to tell me that I already knew I was trans. That was a close one. Dodged a bullet.
Holy shit right off the bat, the argument against autogynephilia made me feel so much better about myself. You're right. I AM a woman and i'm allowed to want to feel hot.
I transitioned … went from bullied every day to having a stable friendgrp that supports me, going out a lot instead of just sitting in my room, found a job …. idk solved most of my problems lol
if gender dysphoria was your only problem, and you transitioned and now you feel great, then great! of course, this isn't true for everyone, much less for me.
Pansexual would have worked better for this. Bisexual just means you're into two binary genders. Everything else you can be made to choose if you're bisexual.
You were presented two paths to walk, but you decided that both sucked snd the gravel constantly got stuck in your shoes so you paved a new and better path for yourself.
So when I was six years old and pretending to be my favorite female characters from fiction without knowing why, that was a fetish thing? What about twenty-five years later when I settled on a new name and burst into tears? Or the fact that my egg finally shattered when a medical problem made me think I might die? If you discover a new fetish at age 30, you've discovered a new fetish; As long as you're not hurting anyone, you can just go enjoy it. If you realize you're trans at age 30, you get hit by an unstoppable tidal wave of grief over your wasted adolescence. For a perfect stranger to tell me I spent weeks crying every time I was alone because I have a fetish is pretty f***ing insulting. In his mind, I can only guess, the best-case scenario for my position is that I'm one of the few "real" trans women who actually exists, which unfortunately means I have no choice but to endure ridicule, discrimination and violence all to protect cis women from... sissies? Please make it make sense.
Sissy is just a bdsm label lol. Sissy is pretty common label for people prior to transitioning if they explored gender in a private environment. Often the bedroom is the only safe space for someone to express themselves in a more feminine way.
@@takeiteasy1133 grasping at whatever access to femininity they have. There’s a void of coming out and losing everything and everyone and even dying or fearing suicide. Coming out is hard for anyone who’s amab and femme leaning.
@@takeiteasy1133 yet we have content creators like Forein Man in a Foreign Land making videos about sissy porn and it being some gateway to the worst raceplay misogyny in existence. And it’s like…yeah take any kink and follow it deeply it’s gonna get disgusting with people who live in their families basements and have a real problem with porn addiction and
@EmmsReality do to the fact that untill the last 10 years for a lot of people that was the only mostly positive representation that was easily found. The number of movies or books i have seen where a trans woman is represented as basically a monster is so depressing.
The thing is that this guy is right about the fact that there's no single pbjective way to diagnose trans people. But like... that's the case for anything in psychology. You can't objectively diagnose autism either. You can identify symptoms, but there's no simple binary indicator. Obviously, if we had perfect complete understanding of the human brain, we could just diagnose it. But we haven't gotten quite that far yet.
I think the criteria is confirmation of: insistence, persistence & consistence (regarding the intersectionality of expression, presentation & identity)
Also, both brain wave activity and brain anatomy show a neural fingerprint indicating feminine and masculine profiles. And in the case of non-binary people it’s a profile called “undifferentiated”. That said, gender is cognitive, not neurological.
I happily detrasitioned a year ago. I dislike detransitioners that act like they have to "save" trans questioning people. I like your content , even if it has little to do with my identity.
Thank you, your experience is valid and I like to think trans and de-trans folk should be supportive of each other, as we understand and have much more in common than we do with those who what us at each others throats, those who weaponize everything for a fast dollar and don't care what harm they cause to real life flesh and blood humans in the long term, hope you have the support you need. 🥰
@@sophiepooks2174 I absolutely agree! At the end of the day Trans and De-trans folks were seeking out their true self. We should all be supportive of our fellow comrades in self-discovery 💪
There was a study that found about half the participants (TGD kids) detransitioned after a few years. It's completely normal to explore gender, sexuality, and whatever wlse you can think of, regardless of age. People like the person in the video are why detransitioners are given a bad name. If I were to take a guess I would say that most detransitioners either don't interact with the trans community, or they don't want to say anything for fear of being associated with alt-right grifters. (The study also found that the vast majority of kids who took or wanted to take hormones were actually trans and not just experimenting.) If anyone wants to look more into this, Science Vs is a podcast that cites all of their sources and only uses reliable ones. They've done 2 trans episodes, and the second one is the one that mentions the study.
So as a cis/bi woman, when I wear clothes that make me feel sexy, it's apparently not agp, but when a trans woman feels hot it is? Its absolutely ridiculous double standards. Terfs can take a long walk off a short pier.
Huh? It's if a male(penis haver) likes dressing/presenting as a female(vagina haver). Who's saying it applies to females who like dressing as a woman(literally 90% of straight women)? AGP is just a male "cross-dressing" which is a phrase people apparently don't seem to have awareness of anymore.
I read about a body builder who was flexing in front of the mirror and he got turned on by it. Clear case of auto-androphilia! /s If you make up greek terms you can make anything seem pathological, also known as hellenipathoanagnorisis (Just mix the greek words for greek-disease-recognise and voila! Sounds serious and a legit thing right?)
I'm kinda impressed that these either of these two made it this long into being trans without hearing about the whole AGP/Ray Blanchard stuff. Goes to show they have a healthier relationship with the internet than a lot of us
@@klavczarkalafan4191 wait, did you actually learn about it in college? Because that would be very reassuring to know that they are educating on how stupid blanchards paper was.
I'm an older CIS male; I'm often embarrassed by my peers in my age range, I'm used to seeing the hateful arguments this guy is making among people in my generation and it makes me sad to see such deranged hatred in younger generations than myself. The trajectory of culture is towards acceptance, but it sadly has a long way to go. I find it mind boggling that a person would delude themselves into deep cycles of dehumanization just to hurt other people that they imagine are different from themselves. I'm glad both of you can laugh at this, it deserves to be laughed at and mocked. However, I want to remind you that you're wonderful.
Autogynephilia was a real hypothesis considered by the scientific community at some point, but a lot of people realized pretty quickly that you have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to accept it as an explanation for trans identity (for starters, although it apparently could have potentially made sense for *some* cases of mtf gender euphoria, it struggles to explain persistent dysphoria or ftm euphoria from the get go), and the studies that supported it were packed with methodological errors. One of its original creators still holds on to this explanation and calls liars to the trans folks that say it doesn't describe their experience. Not very scientific.
And honestly I used to struggle with being over sexual in my transition but even when i became celibate and stopped watching 🌽 i was still trans. To be honest transitioning is more enjoyable without the sexual aspect all together
Lets not forget a big chunk of the "research" the AGP guy did was classifying if he found the children he was researching hot enough to allow to transition, it never was good science
I feel like there’s A LOT of projection coming from this dude. He mentioned at the start that he de-transitioned. I think he’s applying his experience of what being trans was like to every other trans person. because the things he’s saying make zero sense. Maybe transitioning was wrong for him, but for the vast vast majority of people who think they are trans it isn’t. It’s important to take your time with these things and make sure you are as certain as you can be, but repressing your feelings forever once you’ve arrived at that stage is no way to live
I agree. Transitioning isn't for everyone and all trans people and detransitioners have different experiences when they transitioned. He just thinks his experience is how every experience is.
Yeah the summary should be explore how you actually feel for a bit, which is just common sense advice. This person just assumes that being transgendered is actually about sexuality/fetish like they are the authority because of their experience.
People are saying that he supposedly detransitioned for health reasons, so he might be lashing out as well in an attempt to justify to himself how he feels about his experiences. After all, according to studies, only about 10-20% of people who transition end up detransitioning, and of those who do, the majority of them do so for reasons other than regretting it. The vast majority do so because of things like health issues and social/safety issues (death threats, loss of jobs, etc.) and most say that they plan on starting again as soon as they are able. By comparison, that's almost double the success rate of anti-depressants which sit at around a 45% success rate at improving people's life.
So, he is saying that 6 year old me, who used to cry to sleep every night because I was born in the wrong body, has autogynephilia. Before I even use what intercourse was... The 8 year old me who stole phytoestrogens from drug stores, just to get a little relief from feeling crippling aloneness, and depression...
Phytoestrogens sadly don't do shit. Eating epoxy resin on the other hand... (bisphenol A, used as a precursor for epoxies, has significant estrogenic activity)
Okay, here's a counter-example: I'm an older Millennial, raised as a Conservative Evangelical during the AIDS pandemic and the Satanic Panic in the 80s and 90s. I was unable to think of myself as possibly being "gay", because I didn't know what that word really meant (and wasn't even aware of the word trans until after my egg started cracking). I just knew it was a "sinful lifestyle choice" that shouldn't be learned about or even thought about too much. I assumed that my own unrelenting sexual frustration, resentment toward gender roles, and natural tendency to poke myself in the prostate for fun, must all be normal "temptations of the flesh" that everyone deals with, to be addressed with penance and self-discipline. Tried that approach for about 25 years, and was getting nowhere. Rather than question my gender, I spent years trying to figure out if there might be some way to suppress my libido with herbs or drugs, like the chaste-berry used by monks in Medieval Europe. I'm just saying, this is an example of someone who had no exposure to LGBTQ topics, except for very negative representation from religion and porn, and still ended up wanting to get chemically castrated. Even the Bible talks about "eunuchs who castrated themselves" voluntarily, because they felt Spiritually called to do so (Matthew 19:12). It's not brainwashing; it's just exposure. I'm the one who was brainwashed, and taught to be too afraid and disgusted to consider another point of view.
I used to think I had autogynephilia, but now I completely understand that I'm just transgender. This is no longer the reason I want to be a woman. The whole thing started from the opposite point; I tried to fit into my body's gender from early childhood, but it was hard to understand when I was psychologically beating myself every day to stop wanting to be a girl. I now feel how much pain I had in my head that was just blocked, and because of this blockage, I developed things like autogynephilia. Because of this theory and feeling like a pervert, I ended up in a psychiatric hospital and completely broke myself physically trying to be more of a man in my head. Being a certain gender is more than just wanting something; you can't change it like something you like.
Gender is not something you have because you want it. You want to be a woman, because you just want to live, you don't have another you of the opposite gender to think differently. Stopping your gender in your head is the same as killing yourself. Man and woman are different in their minds from birth.
Oh my god this... tried to be a man as well for decades, even ending up fathering kids. Well... at least the kids and my partner are supportive, after I fucking finally figured things out :/ Thanks for sharing your experience and making me feel less alone, I hope you can finally find a way to be happy now.
Honestly, I'm glad F1nn and Icky were there to respond to this guy, because that was borderline painful to watch... Also, apart from the inherent absurdity of what he was saying, I feel like the way he said it was so uncomfortable, awkward, and creepy that you can almost sense the cognitive dissonance and forced denial eating him alive as he says it. It's a far cry from the confidence and sense of humor with which F1nn and Icky speak, that's for sure. It ALMOST makes you feel sorry for him (if he weren't going out of his way to say hurtful things on the Internet for the satisfaction of transphobes).
Ray detransitioned because of health reasons. If he had remained healthy he would still be trans. He is super coping with his detrans stuff. It does not come from a genuine place.
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You cannot remain healthy taking cross sex hormones and making yourself a lifelong medical patient. You don't realise this is all being pushed to make doctors, surgeons and big pharma more money.
@@DM5550Z I mean... what are his arguments? Trans people, or "trans identified males with autogynephylia" shouldn't exist? He never really outlines his arguments. And even further argues that trans people expressing joy in their gender is "the same as gay people experiencing joy"? It's... not exactly the same, but he's implying that both shouldn't exist as it's a "fetish"? Are we criminalizing fetishes now?
@@esharp48hes an old man(not guy in video) whos a proffesor and "studied" transsexuality so hes just arguing that his observations and conlusions are correct and constructing a theory for why trans people are trans, AGP is his theory for trans lesbians being heterosexual men with a paraphilia for femininity taken to its logical conclusion(there were a lot of trans women who found themselves through sexuality because it was the only setting they felt they could express their femininity and later realized it didnt just apply for sex), and for straight trans women he used the phrase homosexual transsexual(HSTS) and describes them as highly feminine gay men who transition in order to attract straight men. Both are based on stereotypes and generalizations and dont really have any clinical value.
I hate that whenever I hear someone detransitioned I immediately assume they will have sus intentions. It sucks but 99% of the time I'm right. (grayson is cool though)
@@DM5550ZHis ideas were false from the start. His claims centered around AGP, which is a junk theory that ignores the lived experiences of nearly every trans woman. (And the sissy hypno stuff of course, but that's about having your agency taken away and having drastic changes done to you to make you more desirable to a dominant party without proper consent.)
@DarthMarr2009 that's true! However, the fact that what he's saying goes against almost every professionals opinion and thousands of published professional papers does disprove his ideas. No matter how many people get angry on the Internet at "the woke mob" you'll notice that all people with actual qualifications in the subject go against everything he said in his video. The only thing I could think of that would agree with him is the cass review which has been heavily disproven by many professionals as the person who conducted the class review basically just gave cis people hormones and acted shocked when it made them depressed.
@DarthMarr2009 literally just read the wiki page for it, it's the first result on Google. Quoting a paper that only works when you ignore all of fhe evidence against it really isn't a good source.
I went into the male bathroom once as a genuine mistake as a trans woman, it was at a bar I was a little drunk and they had confusing signs but no one was in there so it was fine, But some random person saw me go in and later came up to me and just wanted to inform me that I went into the wrong bathroom. So just another point that going into the bathroom that is against your gender identity is just wierd for everyone.
@@professorlean3733 No. I'm not. Unisex bathrooms are already quite common. Moreso in certain parts of the world. I honestly don't see the point of gendered bathrooms except to be used in arguments of sexism.
It seems like his specific transphobia boils down to anti-intellectualism. Like, as if it's fine to live your life, have a fetish if you have that, be happier on hormones or whatever, but not to have IDEAS about it. God forbid you reflect on your experiences and consider whether they MEAN something to you personally. "Don't think, just goon." Damn, you can tell he's into the hypno stuff fr, lol
I'm confused. If you actually watch his content that's what he's saying though 💀. He's saying that trans women that are AGP isn't a problematic thing nor does he look down on AGP trans women.
Icky you and F1NN are just fine with what you are doing. Icky your advice is really solid. As a trans woman I 100% approve. And I have never had a euphoria boner in my life. Wpath guidelines, DSM 5 TR and ICD 11 diagnostic criteria for GD and GI.
He quotes you asking "how do you know you are trans" with "no, you could just be a trans identified male with autogynephyia" but... he called you a "trans identified male with autogyephyila"? So like if thats just what he calls trans people, how can he say "or you could you just be [something else]" to the "are you trans question?" I'm....beginning to suspect there is no logic behind his "arguments."
A lot of the replies to the comments under his video are literally just smug word salad. Like, this dude is a prime example of why at least some basic tools of scientific literacy should probably be part of mandatory education curriculum.
This guy is such a grifter it is gross. Last I heard referencing agp casually is a dog whistle for “degenerate“ super uncool bro leave that shit in 1930s Germany bro
@@AutoGamerZ_ He's not stupid, he should know better. He studied philosophy and wrote a book about the trans experience as a trans woman. But apparently he decided to become a conservative grifter after detransitioning.
circular argument at its finest, "you can't be trans because you could be a man with a fetish because trans people are a man with a fetish because you can't be trans if you can be a man with a fetish" like, there is no argument, he's just saying "you're not trans you're a man with a fetish" in 20 different ways over and over, and then uses the previews times he said "you're not trans you're a man with a fetish" to justify the next time he's saying it.
I'm personally 100% thankful for your videos. At first F1nn popped up in my shorts and I just related alot always kinda questioned so I tried fluidity but that's when I took the lid off the repression jar and started to realize how dysphoric things were.. but the euphoria when female was undeniable where male either just was or gross. Then I started checking out your vids. And suddenly I felt certain like I put on my glasses. You made a scary topic seem relaxed and chill like I was with my friends 🧡 and made me feel more confident in my skin.
George Chauncey wrote a book, well a monograph really, titled "Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940". In it he goes into some detail about the pre-homosexual queer world, given that the medical diagnosis of "homosexual" was invented and popularized during the period. Chauncey really digs into the various subcultures and types of identities that existed before an external label was applied via medicalization of someone's lived experience. "Sissy" was the term of common use among people (they called themselves) for AMB folks that would express femininity. We could categorize them today as trans women, and there was a lot of them. They had massive galas where drag performers, cross dressers, sissies, gays, lesbians and the cis het well-to-do of NYC would gather by the thousands, and have a gay ol' time. It would be front page news about how amazing the party was. Imagine a party so great that 100 years later people are still reading the newspaper article about it. That was early 1900's Gay NYC. There was overlap with the sissy and gay communities, and a lot of common language between the two, like "hair up" or "hair down" being a pre-closet metaphor for being out (there wasn't a closet in the late 19th century early 20th). The metaphor was more to communicate a different conception of sexuality that doesn't map neatly into our gay or straight dichotomy thinking. Gay and sissy were both, for lack want of other words, bottoms, but sissies lived as women. There wasn't such a concept as gay man that was a top. Tops were considered straight, because it was more about roles than attraction. Passive v. active. I'm not going any further on that. The "up" or "down" was a reference to how women wore their hair-if someone's hair was up, they weren't out in modern terms. If it was down, like a woman's, then they were publicly out. I haven't really tracked the sissy community from this point into modern times to see if they're the same, but there is more than 100-year history here of an identifiable community that parallels but isn't reducible to another community. The term transgender is a medicalization of the sissy's lived experience. It's still some outsider forcing a label onto a community. Now, for those that came into an understanding of themselves after that term was coined, it might feel like it fits better. But just like "homosexual," there was a time before it, and gay people existed with a community. Trans people existed before "transgender" and had community. Chauncey does get to the beginning of building the closet in NYC at least. Gay New York had to be dismantled, brick by brick, over the course of decades. He does try to show why this happened. Initially it was because straight men would seek relations with sissies, and their wives would object almost as loudly as they did about other s. workers. Then it was that straight men would seek out relations with gay men, and their wives would object. Anti-s. work was the main way they kept prosecuting. A relevant thing to keep in mind is that there was a underlying belief that sissies and gays were betraying masculinity by not being straight (even if their version of "straight" would be gay af in today's thinking). Anyways, can't recommend it enough: George Chauncey "Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940".
Not gonna lie, I am kinda sorry for this person. Self hatred and projection can really mess people up. But on the other side they should be able to properly deconstruct the thoughts they are having.
6:06 Another point that they might have missed; he said Icky GROOMED Finn into being trans, but grooming is when an adult manipulates a child to grow up a certain way or act in a way to their advantage, which isn’t possible in this case since Finn and Icky are both adults in a consenting relationship. Just another point where he completely misses the mark 😑
I'm a cis man, and I've watched so many of the videos he's discussing and none of them ever made me want to transition. Or even really think about it. When she said: "you already know you're trans" I understood without even a moment's confusion that I was not the "you" in that statement.
When I was four, I tried to cut off my penis with scissors. It wasn't until I was middle age that I transitioned. I've have soul crush depression, self hate, ect. until I transitioned. When I got T levels down, that helped alot. Now that I'm having surgeies and become what I should have been. I'm the happies I have even been in my life. However, I just had boob surgery and they are sore. So not so cheery at the moment. Also, a boy that tries to cut off their prick at four, is a true transexual.
You just like unlocked a memory for me I can’t believe I forgot about that probably because it was so long ago but yes taking a knife to it was probably a really early sign I missed 😅
I just remembered when I was 4 I came out the bathroom crying hysterically because realized I had b*lls. My family laughed for a second until they realized I was serious. The energy in the room changed… i would get wildly depressed when I wasnt allowed to grow out my hair, do the same things as my girl cousins/sister/friends etc. but yeah im just an autogynaishdyduhuiomli 🙄
@@DAFLIDMAN In the process of happening. What she's wearing are early samples which probably all suck in some small way and thus have to be revised before they go into production.
Many hate the the idea, heavens forbid anyone should enjoy the simple natural pleasures of their own gender identity and body. Too much fun being alive for them.
Thats right, hrt isnt a magical solution like many people on reddit says, and i agree that is very beautiful, that feeling of accepting yourself, and thats like the motivator for the change. I dont see how this isnt compatible with what ray has said
@@takeiteasy1133 It's the exact opposite of what he said. "Gender confusion" (as he put it) was at the core of all my issues. Transitioning literally "solved" some overnight and gave me the willpower to change others. Without transitioning, they never would have been "solved".
This! Even just figuring out that I'm trans suddenly had me working on solving shit instead of just giving up because I wasn't man enough or something and there was no point to my life anyway...
My whole thing when people say „all trans women are just AGP and sexualizing themselves“ is just like „yea, so what?" Even if we assume that is true (it’s not but let’s entertain the idiots) even if that’s it, how and why does that make it any less valid? It’s just an argument that’s deeply, deeply rooted in misogyny. This is exactly why we always say transphobia hurts cis women too.
100% They ignore the fact that females also do experience gender euphoria from looking and feeling sexy, wearing traditionally feminine clothing. Many queer/ non binary/ or any women also not seen to be performing womanhood sufficiently are also shamed, or harmed by transphobia, fetish shaming and transvestigators".
@@sophiepooks2174 Those transvestigator asshats piss me off so much. My wife and daughter, both AFAB have had to deal with their shit multiple times because they didn't look sufficiently feminine to them. In my wife's case she's been harassed multiple times in restrooms because she has a very butch lesbian look to her but she's 5'10 and has really wide shoulders for a woman so they thought she was trans. This other case with my daughter was even more asinine. She was 2 bloody years old at the time and because she is autistic and couldn't stand having her hair in her face she wanted a haircut like her mommy, a buzzed undercut. So my wife's waiting to check out at a store with her and her twin brother. Daughter's wearing this cute pink dress with her short hair snuggling on this baby doll we found her and were going to buy her. Well this other lady apparently really didn't like that scene because she very loudly complains about not being able to find a doll for her *daughter* (emphasis hers) and that they should be allowed to buy the doll rather than us. Luckily I had gone out to the car because it was a long line and I couldn't stand up anymore so I wasn't there. Not only would I have gotten angry about it, but my wife initially missed the transphobia of the lady's comments. All she said was "welp sorry, my daughter wants it and I'm buying it for her" and continued down the line to check out. It wasn't until she got back and reenacted what the lady said and how she said it that I was able to tell her what the lady meant. There would have definitely been a huge confrontation if she'd realized what the lady was really saying.
@@Faroshkas fair point. I tend to do that a lot even though I'm doing my best to watch out for it. I also have cringe European quotation marks that start down and end up instead of both being up but what's a girl to do? will edit the missing mark though :3
Honestly AGP and Sissy stuff has been the most damaging shit to me in terms of my confidence in my transness. It probably stopped me from realising it earlier. I still worry what if it's just a fetish - and I'm over two years on hrt and quite happy going about my day being seen as a woman
As cis male, transgenderism really confused me not in a bigoted way just was unknown to me. Until I spoke to transgender person and it was really eye opening. Its a shame some people can't widen their on views to new things.
Transphobes get swept up in the hate more than actually talking with someone who is trans, and its really sad that they will trust their hateful emotion's more and jump further than they should, than to actually get all the info.
I have an interesting thought to propose: Is he sexualizing children by saying gender euphoria is always a sexual thing, while I certainly was euphoric in wearing female cloths as a less then 8 y.o. boy?
No, hes not sexualizing children by being aware of the scientific fact of sexual development in children. I also used to crossdress as a child and the hypothesis of autogynephilia may explain why i have AGP and gender dysphoria.
@@takeiteasy1133 i mean he kinda is tho, the average age trans people report first realising they are trans is 7, when he says 85-90% of trans women have AGP that means he thinks a very large chunk of kids are getting sexual gratification before the age of 7. If he is gonna throw around fake stats, he need to be ready to suffer the consequence of people thinking he sexualises kids.
idk but the whole it being a fetish thing i dont get behind that. I want to be female in daily life and percieved as female, i dont think people seeing me as female when i walk around the street or at work is sexual at all ^^. Since i am realized i am trans fem i actually take care about my looks, my body and put effort it. First time i look at pictures of me and like what i see (no euphoria boner, its just a pleasent positive feeling in my stomach)
This dude read a book from 40 years ago, and chose to ignore all of the literature from the last two decades that denounced this as a description of trans people. This is the kind of guy that will bend over backwards to support an outdated theory rather than admit he was wrong. Just reminds me of the people that claim to have the biggest of brains and follow science, but will argue the dumbest things.
Honestly, as a transmasc, even if I was entirely cis I'd do it all again. I used to live with debilitating back pain and weak joints and would have had to spend a vast majority of my life in physical therapy I couldn't afford just to live some semblance of a normal life if I hadn't transitioned. Getting rid of the extra weight on my chest, getting rid of an organ that I was never going to use and which frequently caused me debilitating pain, and taking testosterone which strengthened my muscles alleviated so much of the problems caused by this, and now I can live some semblance of a normal life without constantly surviving off of pain killers, and I wouldn't trade that for anything. The only downside to transition was that I lost control over my vocal range, but that can be trained back, and I have so much more confidence in my voice just generally now that I don't hate hearing myself speak anymore
how is bro gonna explain ace trans people yk like what about me im trans and i literally never think of myself in sexual situations, im not completely ace but i never have sexual fantasies or whatever, what about that mr guy, and i also didnt try to be trans other people figured it out before me and have been gendering me as a girl since i got long hair in elementary school and then later i was like oh actually being called a guy feels bad and being not called a guy doesnt and then i found out what trans ppl are, i still only wear mens clothing and whatnot, like hypothetically i should be percieved as a guy with long hair (i am by my family and my family only for some reason) but nope ppl percieve me as girl bc of gender performance or whatever which is also not smth im doing intentionally, idk, feels like this guy would have trouble explaining that, that or hed combine a whole bunch of random latin roots to make some ungodly word to explain
I would like to file a complaint with the TAA (Trans Agenda Authority). I had to start transitioning all on my own. No grooming! Can I get a voucher for post-transitional grooming? I mean … it sounds so nice 🫠
I started HRT 2 months ago and your videos really helped sort of think all my stuff out (I went to actual therapy too, don't worry). This guy had detransition, I think he had a bad experience transitioning and it affected him. Instead of taking the time to process 'okay that didn't do what I expected, time to retool', he went straight into 'Everyone told me this would work, i guess they're all liars and it's all fake'. Ya know, like a rational sane person. I think this guy didn't like the transition process and felt embarrassed. He is self reporting that he couldn't cope at seeing other trans-women and their 'successful(?)' transitions.
Yes, dont take it personal tho, he detransitioned because of health problems related to hrt, also he never have said that transitioning is bad, just that its a serius choice with pragmatic consequences. JK rowling is transphobic, Agp dont.
@@takeiteasy1133 I didn't know about the health problems. I'm going to be real here and say that sucks. My main problem is that through his talks he discourages people from identifying as trans.
@@neonbacca5809 thanks for the honest answer. I get your problem with his speech, but he critique the narrative made by the trans community, but gender identity and transition are valid.
@@takeiteasy1133 I don't know who you are, but I sincerely hope you grow out of whatever it is that's making you follow this person. You're all over these comments claiming they're not transphobic (specifically by comparing them to JKR for some reason) and then acting like an ally. You genuinely seem like someone who's simply a little misguided, so please take care of yourself and don't fall too deep into that rabbit hole. Love you!
I'm Cis Gay man and I did not thought about transitioning after watching your videos. Did I explored my gender looking if I feel comfortable under some gender umbrellas? Yes. But simple video did not pushed me towards some point. What I think happened here, is that he heard fancy terminology, and without thinking he is applying it to every single trans person, because he cannot comprehend that people cannot be other gender than the one assigned at birth.
I find it interesting that this guy seems to think that autogynephilia is a legitimate sexuality rather than a fetish. That isn't something I see very often when transphobes bring up the subject.
@@takeiteasy1133 autogynephilia has been debunked by actual experts like hundred of times so no he isn't telling the truth. autogynephilia is transphobic in the same way its abelist to act like a person with autism is the same a child. We have our own agency & we would not have done all of this work to pass in society if it was just a sexuality.
@@404maxnotfound authority fallacy, Autogynephilia is an scientific hypothesis and an incomplete one but that doest mean that is entirely false, correlation doesnt means causality, many people use agp as a way to justify their hate, but that doesnt imply the theory is wrong, in fact those people think all agp are perverts, wich is a generalisation. Also gender identity is not just sexuality, but saying that im a woman trapped into a men bodie doesnt seems very scientific to say the least.
@@takeiteasy1133 "woman trapped in a mans body" is a figure of speech. its used to express that you want to identify more femininely and be seen as more feminine, but at the moment you look more masculine. can we stop using random phrases as some "gotcha"
Wasn't able to finish the video, I have to deal with transphobes like that all the time and just can't relax while watching that sort of video. Much love ICKy and F1nn, but I look forward to yall's next video.
The whole "i am a random person on the internet that has a fetish therefore everyone has the same fetish as me" thing is just telling that he has never considered what another human being might be feeling. I feel real sorry for him and any potential partners
@ 19:30. 2 hours? I had to see a psychiatrist for 6 months to get my letter with diagnosis. This is not someone waking up, "I want to be a ... today", but a lifetime of pain and denying one's true self until one day, you have had enough pain.
Gonna be honest. Saw your content around but never watched. Tho I did savegotten a few videos. But your video that he is misrepresenting was probably the crack I needed. I’ve been thinking about [being a trans woman] since high school. Literally it’s been 20 years. I really needed to hear your words. And as a result I’ve just given up couching my language around the topic. And honestly it felt good. ❤ so like I’m sure you get a million supportive comments a day but here’s one more. 😅
Before I started. Interview. Discussion doctor review. Mental evaluation. I passed all requirements. And now MTF medical HRT. I'm happier. Still have stress etc. But, not as severe as it was.
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I'm an asexual trans woman which makes this guy's video even more nonsensical
I was gonna say, I know asexual trans people
there are dozens of us. dozens! xD
ace people can still have fetishes, but even then his point means absolutely nothing
I'm another asexual trans girl and also came here to say this makes no sense whatsoever
Euphoria hits me like a truck but I'm not getting a "euphoria boner" it's not sexual to want to be the opposite gender
man just doesn't seem to understand why people might get turned on by thinking of themselves having sex as their correct gender.
Same.
To add to this, it's been proven that AGP isn't really a thing, so he's just a dumbass.
The fact that he thinks trans women putting on women's clothes is sexual is inherently misogynistic. As a trans man, I have never once heard someone tell me that I'm transitioning just for sexual gratification, because being a man is not seen as sexual. However, because of how sexualized women are in general, people assume that the only reason you would want to be one is for sexual gratification. It is so sad how sexualized feminine clothing and just femininity in general is.
THAT PART! 👏
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK! (not caps to bypass TH-cam censor)
nobody is calling YOU an autogynophile. the whole point of the original video was to bring awareness to the fact that transgenderism is a spectrum and there are different ways of feeling like you're trans. theres the dysphoric kind that the majority of trans people experience, and theres an autogynophillic kind that a fringe amount of trans people experience. its not a dig against you, or the trans community. hes just pointing out the many different varieties of trans people that exist. why is this fact so offensive to you guys?
@@innocehnt75 If that is truly his point he's not doing a very good job of getting it across because he repeatedly says that transness is a made up ideology/religion and that actually anyone who's a trans woman is really just a trans identifying man who's actually AGP. That's what people are annoyed about.
@@sokkyoku Tho I agree with @innocehnt75 and Ray, i must accept That Ray is tactless when dealing with these topics, but thats because he has an pragmatic philosophy, tho is not personal, and he have a lot of points. Personally his videos have helped me with my AGP and my dysphoria, because knowing oneself is important to make hard decisions
Bro is projecting so hard he could light up an imax theatre
Lmfao
LITERALLY
BAHAHA
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7:40 not true, I was a cis straight man until I heard you say "you know you're trans" and now I'm downing HRT pills left and right. Overnight.
XD but do you like it ?
Damn, how'd you get them so fast?
lmaoo
@@AppImage make an appointment with your nearest planned parenthood, they do informed consent hrt, in which they give you all the info about what hormones will do and you can say "sounds good sign me up"
source: 3 months on E with planned parenthood
@@JadeRobertsG2019there's no planned Parenthood here (not in the us)
Years ago I was worried about whether I was fetishizing transition but remembered that fetishes don't make you cry
Unless you're into that
@@Icewolf-sx6vtFUCK
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD
unless ur trying to brainwash yourself to convience satan you are worthy of dating lmao
@@thesaltybeard1793Im fucking dead
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this guy is basically part of the "I detransitioned so no one else should be allowed to transition" crowd, the real groomers are the folks preying on vulnerable detransitioners by making out that they're some kind of victim and using them to make they're anti-trans arguments seem balanced and reasonable.
Typical victim card of this typo crowd, yeah
side note for people who still get, i guess, conflicted on detransitioners because theyve only seen the bad side... detransitioners are cool the vast majourity of the time, being associated with the trans community and living the trans experience makes for great allyship, yes sometimes it can turn to hatered, yes there are detransitioners who think all trans people are a detransition waiting to happen, but keep an open mind
@@rocket_is_so_flipping_cool i got my mind opened, don't worry
Exactly 💯
@@neeco836 I put the whole transitioning thing on pause mostly for perceived societal reasons, then just got back to transitioning ten years later. Now I'm in the middle of it I just wonder what I was thinking not doing it earlier..
so much wasted time
His video is the very essence of “start at the conclusion and work your way backwards.”
Also, a classic demonstration of using cherry picked science to validate your bigotry.
Transphobes literally have nothing except Blanchard’s description of autogynephilia. They bring it up all the time when trying to devalue the existence of trans people .Despite the fact that it was never widely accepted and is now even less well accepted.
It’s like when racists have to resort to 19th century phrenology books to justify their bigotry
Step 1: Claim "being trans isn't real". Step 2: Somehow figure out a way to explain the existence of trans people.
I try to not hate people like this, because I’m assuming there was a lot of frustration pre-transition. Transition didn’t fix that, so still lots of frustration. And then there was a lot of frustration post detransition. So frustration all around. And then that frustration turns into hate. Hate attracts them to a hateful crowd of people. And then they arrive here, posting reactionary videos about how millions of people are actually fake. But, also, real?
@@GlamaryllisI try my hardest to respect other peoples opinions so long as they’re healthy and productive even if I don’t agree with it because that’s what I want for myself but this is awful and honestly degrading and I don’t think people should be free to express their hateful opinions
@@Yogaismehh as a trans woman myself (not unique around here) I also find everything this guy’s said to be absolutely disgusting; but the problem I have isn’t that he’s free to express it. He can express whatever he wants. My problem is not knowing if someone’s going to be able to un-f**k the damage done to impressionable brains that digest his opinions. So, I suppose, it’s important to at least know what’s out there…
"Euphoria Boner" is my new band name
That sounds like a metal band😂
@@Milo-it1tf Nah it's definitely more of a punk band name
@Memu there’s also a metal band that is literally called aborted Hitler cock, I’m not making that up
@Memu yeah that would be a punk band name, some metal band names are more dark and gross like infant annihilator, that’s actually a band by the way
@@Milo-it1tf Metal band names can vary wildly depending on the subgenre which there are literally thousands of. Also yeah I'm aware that Infant Annihilator is an actual band because I listen to them sometimes.
Strange. After i came out as trans, i shortly thereafter recognized that i was ace as well. So there is, to me, a very clear distinction between gender and sexuality.
yeah, they can vary independently. there's just a lot of confused people who really want cishetbreeder to be the only thing that exists, because they can't stand for things to be more complex than what they learned in kindergarten
@@blarghblarghthey don’t want lifelong medical patients!
"After you've nuked your libido" I love that he accuses all parts of being trans of being sexual except for the one part that is.
The old myth of trans women as sex predators is ridiculous, imagine if your only understanding of cis people came from porn? Because it is where most of them get their "understanding" of trans people from.
Most pre-op people are completely dysfunctional down there after 2-5 years on HRT no longer produce sperm after 18 months, yet they are always talking about how trans women and even trans men should be sterilized.
I just started Progesterone and it made it come back hard
Idk how he possibly simultaneously thinks all trans women are horny all the time but have also nuked their libido. If they’re horny all the time, why would they willingly choose to nuke their libido? If it’s a kink or a fetish, the last thing you’d want to do is chemically ruin your sexual gratification right??
@@ColtComancheCome back *hard*? Heeheehee
@@demonicloaf2100 but seriously it’s actually really fucking distressing being constantly aroused for several days as I was. Masturbating didn’t relieve it, and I have no partner. It was an extremely uncomfortable time
"Just live a unhappy life like me" is basically what he is saying
“I cant have so you cant have it” moment 100%
He does seem like he needs a friend.
Part of me does feel bad for him. He deserves a better life than this mess he's done to himself with the ideas he holds and his hatred.
I'm not sure if I'm reading this right, but I feel like you can almost sense the cognitive dissonance and forced denial eating him alive in real time.
He's clearly not over it.
The only people I've met who have detransitioned did it because transitioning is really hard when the world is shitty :(
1:29 icky is right, someone used Blanchard's AGP questionnaire on cis women and 93℅ of them satisfy the criteria for AGP. In other words, Blanchard reeeaaallly tried to other trans women based on something completely normal for women, cis or trans, to experience
I just looked up the questionnaire. That thing is ridiculous! (Not surprised, just angry) It's just asking if you are a woman who thinks about sex sometimes, asking the question 50 times...
No, Icky is wrong. Only 10% of women have been confirmed to be turned on by themselves. The vast majority of women have no sexual feeling about themselves. This is a lie AGP trans women have pushed to avoid having to accept the reality of their feelings.
@@nathalie111 insane
Like who most people think about intimate stuff
The term " Autogynophilia " is problematic, but some AMABs are turned on by the thought of being women. Some of them are the most cis men on the planet, but some of them do turn out to be trans, and were using the fantasy as a safety valve outlet for inconvenient feelings.
So, I would use the term
" transcurious " instead.
Another term is " sis' " but that's unfortunate as well because it sounds like " cis " and is an abbreviation for
" sissy " which describes a fettish that is a bit too specific to represent the whole of transcuriosity.
If it's a fettish, imagine a man who has it, trying to prove it's a fettish.
There is also a great scientific rebuttal to AGP by Julia Serano called "The Case Against Autogynephilia"
What a weird, creepy, person. I say creepy because as a transphobic detrans man presumably all the things he claims trans women do and are, in reality it's him that those things apply to, which makes him have this really unnerving vibe.
It's like every time he says a gross thing about trans women, it's obvious he's projecting about himself.
Telling themselves more than anything.
Yup and How long before he starts again with the hormones' himself ????????????????
he's still using nail polish and makeup................
He's just capitalizing on the "De-trans BS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do people like him tend to project their very own experiences as general canon, when it's in fact not true and simply isn't applicable to everyone, and is in fact not what the trans community experiences?
I've experienced it very differently on my own so far and other trans people around me as well.
This guy is confused or maybe it's his way to seek remedy for his actions, which he seems to regret in a way?
Dude, this is YOUR life and your mind that works this way, not mine. 😅
I'm all out and everything that I wear is simply just my clothing and stuff. It's not a turn on, it's so that I don't have to be naked. 😂 (And it's expression, style). Would you say that I'm a pervert for wearing a girl shirt? Well guess what, it's just a Shirt. It's gendered but it's still a shirt.
My lipstick #185 has a nice colour which complements my face. I apply it so I'm happy with how it fits me and it's euphoric.
You're thinking that we all just run around in fetishised clothing and stuff all the time huh? Some of us just wear baggy clothes and do nothing at all but are just as valid, maybe doing HRT ....
God he has no clue whatsoever. Twisting it all around to make it fit HIS narrative. Should've gone to therapy for a bit longer.
TRIGGERED 😂
I think it's got something to due entirely with because it gets them wild amounts of views by bigots @@SPTunnelMotor
He sounds like someone who rushed into transitioning without actually understanding himself, it didn’t make him feel all happy joy joy, and now thinks it’s just a fad people do.
I'm a cis lesbian. I watch a lot of trans content; trans women, trans men, non-binary people. It didn't make me trans. It made me question my gender, sure, I think it's probably a good idea that everyone does, and if I was trans it would have probably made me realise that, but I questioned it and I realised that I'm not. I'm very comfortable being a woman and being seen as a woman. But if your gender doesn't match what people see you as, that's fine too, and I think the more its normalised for cis people to question their gender, the younger trans people will figure themselves out. Same goes for sexuality. I think everyone should question their identity to know who they really are, rather than just assuming they're the "normal" thing unless something makes them realise they're not.
You are born the sex you are born. How you choose to 'present' is irrelevant to sex. A man will always be a man. Do you date trans women?
No, because as a lesbian you're only attracted to women.
Unless you are co-opting that word like so many others do, including men.
There are a lot of lesbians that are cis women that me as a trans woman have dated they have only ever dated women and don't like men your argument falls flat when you realize that lesbians date trans women
@@conlon4332 Thanks for being a vocal majority. At least I like to hope the majority of people apply common sense empathy and ration to how we treat each other. I'm guilty of consuming, liking and sharing mostly.
For the most parts and the sake of simplicity i'd consider myself as a hetero man. But i have a pretty strong idgaf mentality, so sometimes i do wear womens clothes because i like how the look or they feel comfy, or im pretty sure (although i've not tried it too much yet) i don't have a problem to get down with dudes. So i'm not sure if i'm genderfluid bi, or like i said a hetero man and just don't care. But does it really matter? I guess for some people it's good to define who they are, but i don't really care. For everyone who needs to hear this, just find a way to live that makes you happy, no matter if man or woman or something inbetween.
@@Fabiundso 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
you know this guys internet history is a gold mine
I've heard 75% of all sissy hypno video views are directly linked to this man.
Feels like being trans didn't work for this person and they have decided to invalidate everyone else because of it.
this feels like a conversion therapy situation. they smile looking back on gender euphoric things and look depressed talking about his "fixes"
someone needs to help them
I find it strange from many of these people claim they are no longer trans, yet it was; 'all about the clothes' So why has he suddenly stopped wearing the clothes he loved then if he was AGP?
Similar to when you lose someone you love you still think about them all the time and don't just instantly stop loving them. same as you don't instantly stop doing something you loved and got pleasure from.
Hit it right on the head. I get the vibe he is seething with gender envy of "successful" transwomen.
@@TLM860No such thing as a transwoman
@@Checkeroute Icky is a trans woman
I am Cis and I have never felt like transitioning after watching Icky's videos, because I am not trans.
yo let us know how this ages in 3 years /j
Based ally
@Kaskus7147 I never thought to transition either
For cis people, it's a small insight into some things trans people might experience, consider etc. Not indoctrination. There's a difference.
But do you think frogs are cool? If so, I have bad news for you about the indoctrination of the Bisexual Agenda...
there were a couple of studies that took the criteria for "diagnosing" autogynephilia in trans women and applied it to cis women, and like 80% to 90% also counted as autogynephils. So if autogynephilia is said to be a thing, and if trans women exhibit autogynephilia, that just counts as another trait trans women share with cis women
I was almost indoctrinated by the Big Icky too, but thankfully I already knew I was trans before she had the chance to tell me that I already knew I was trans.
That was a close one.
Dodged a bullet.
This is a “gargantuan icky” channel worthy video
Lil’ icky reference
@@BenijuTeamHogRidersthis guy mnows
smol icky !!
Holy shit right off the bat, the argument against autogynephilia made me feel so much better about myself. You're right. I AM a woman and i'm allowed to want to feel hot.
Everyone wants to look in the mirror, and like who they see.
least everyone I've met.
I transitioned … went from bullied every day to having a stable friendgrp that supports me, going out a lot instead of just sitting in my room, found a job …. idk solved most of my problems lol
Yep. Same here. Feeling happier and more at ease with yourself tends to make you not be terrified in social situations ❤❤❤
Mental health is autogyno to him.
I think that it gives yourself hope for your future, and as a result boosts your confidence and motivation
if gender dysphoria was your only problem, and you transitioned and now you feel great, then great!
of course, this isn't true for everyone, much less for me.
Happy for you that you’re living your best life dude! 💪 ❤
Icky, Im a straight cis male, please stop turning me trans, its offensive.
INDOCTRINATED. 🤣
The trans agenda is to turn you, in particular, transgender.
You are a straight BIOLOGICAL male, not "cis". Get it right.
Gender dysphoria is something u can’t change…
Someone can’t turn u trans. Research before commenting completely incorrect bs
Get indoctrinated, nerd.
Ag, autogynephilia. It's like Freudian theory for terfs.
"I'm a bisexual non-binary polyamorous switch, you can't make me choose anything".
Become a centrists President omg
Pansexual would have worked better for this. Bisexual just means you're into two binary genders. Everything else you can be made to choose if you're bisexual.
Become a centrists President omg
Real
You were presented two paths to walk, but you decided that both sucked snd the gravel constantly got stuck in your shoes so you paved a new and better path for yourself.
The whiteboard with nothing on it is such a euphemism for his video
I think you mean: metaphor
Symbolism
and that plant is dangling like a participle.
So when I was six years old and pretending to be my favorite female characters from fiction without knowing why, that was a fetish thing? What about twenty-five years later when I settled on a new name and burst into tears? Or the fact that my egg finally shattered when a medical problem made me think I might die?
If you discover a new fetish at age 30, you've discovered a new fetish; As long as you're not hurting anyone, you can just go enjoy it. If you realize you're trans at age 30, you get hit by an unstoppable tidal wave of grief over your wasted adolescence. For a perfect stranger to tell me I spent weeks crying every time I was alone because I have a fetish is pretty f***ing insulting.
In his mind, I can only guess, the best-case scenario for my position is that I'm one of the few "real" trans women who actually exists, which unfortunately means I have no choice but to endure ridicule, discrimination and violence all to protect cis women from... sissies? Please make it make sense.
Sissy is just a bdsm label lol. Sissy is pretty common label for people prior to transitioning if they explored gender in a private environment. Often the bedroom is the only safe space for someone to express themselves in a more feminine way.
you will be surprised with how many people take that as an identity, but yeah, the bedroom is the only safe place.
@@takeiteasy1133 grasping at whatever access to femininity they have. There’s a void of coming out and losing everything and everyone and even dying or fearing suicide. Coming out is hard for anyone who’s amab and femme leaning.
@@EmmsReality Strongly agree
@@takeiteasy1133 yet we have content creators like Forein Man in a Foreign Land making videos about sissy porn and it being some gateway to the worst raceplay misogyny in existence. And it’s like…yeah take any kink and follow it deeply it’s gonna get disgusting with people who live in their families basements and have a real problem with porn addiction and
@EmmsReality do to the fact that untill the last 10 years for a lot of people that was the only mostly positive representation that was easily found. The number of movies or books i have seen where a trans woman is represented as basically a monster is so depressing.
I want to thank you for helping me understand what my wife is going through during her transition.
aw, that's so sweet of you to learn about her experience. Would that every trans person has a partner like you.
The thing is that this guy is right about the fact that there's no single pbjective way to diagnose trans people. But like... that's the case for anything in psychology. You can't objectively diagnose autism either. You can identify symptoms, but there's no simple binary indicator.
Obviously, if we had perfect complete understanding of the human brain, we could just diagnose it. But we haven't gotten quite that far yet.
I think the criteria is confirmation of: insistence, persistence & consistence (regarding the intersectionality of expression, presentation & identity)
Also, both brain wave activity and brain anatomy show a neural fingerprint indicating feminine and masculine profiles. And in the case of non-binary people it’s a profile called “undifferentiated”. That said, gender is cognitive, not neurological.
I happily detrasitioned a year ago. I dislike detransitioners that act like they have to "save" trans questioning people. I like your content , even if it has little to do with my identity.
Thank you, your experience is valid and I like to think trans and de-trans folk should be supportive of each other, as we understand and have much more in common than we do with those who what us at each others throats, those who weaponize everything for a fast dollar and don't care what harm they cause to real life flesh and blood humans in the long term, hope you have the support you need. 🥰
@@sophiepooks2174
I absolutely agree! At the end of the day Trans and De-trans folks were seeking out their true self. We should all be supportive of our fellow comrades in self-discovery 💪
Long as what you're doing makes you feel more comfortable with yourself, I am behind you 100% my dude.
based
There was a study that found about half the participants (TGD kids) detransitioned after a few years. It's completely normal to explore gender, sexuality, and whatever wlse you can think of, regardless of age. People like the person in the video are why detransitioners are given a bad name.
If I were to take a guess I would say that most detransitioners either don't interact with the trans community, or they don't want to say anything for fear of being associated with alt-right grifters.
(The study also found that the vast majority of kids who took or wanted to take hormones were actually trans and not just experimenting.)
If anyone wants to look more into this, Science Vs is a podcast that cites all of their sources and only uses reliable ones. They've done 2 trans episodes, and the second one is the one that mentions the study.
So as a cis/bi woman, when I wear clothes that make me feel sexy, it's apparently not agp, but when a trans woman feels hot it is? Its absolutely ridiculous double standards. Terfs can take a long walk off a short pier.
Huh? It's if a male(penis haver) likes dressing/presenting as a female(vagina haver). Who's saying it applies to females who like dressing as a woman(literally 90% of straight women)? AGP is just a male "cross-dressing" which is a phrase people apparently don't seem to have awareness of anymore.
I read about a body builder who was flexing in front of the mirror and he got turned on by it. Clear case of auto-androphilia! /s If you make up greek terms you can make anything seem pathological, also known as hellenipathoanagnorisis (Just mix the greek words for greek-disease-recognise and voila! Sounds serious and a legit thing right?)
You cannot be serious
@@TRILLANORTH be gone, bot
@@Brassroses lol. If that makes u sleep at nite
I'm sorry putting a giant trans flag animation behind the video you're reacting to is just so fucking funny for some reason
like the transness is just surrounding him and all he can do is mald into a camera lmaoooo
I'm kinda impressed that these either of these two made it this long into being trans without hearing about the whole AGP/Ray Blanchard stuff. Goes to show they have a healthier relationship with the internet than a lot of us
Hey now, some of us first heard of AGP in college - where we all discussed how pseudoscientific it is
@@klavczarkalafan4191 wait, did you actually learn about it in college? Because that would be very reassuring to know that they are educating on how stupid blanchards paper was.
I didn't really know about it until now... I'm trans, I've been on the internet for a long time. I think I'm just lucky
I'm an older CIS male; I'm often embarrassed by my peers in my age range, I'm used to seeing the hateful arguments this guy is making among people in my generation and it makes me sad to see such deranged hatred in younger generations than myself. The trajectory of culture is towards acceptance, but it sadly has a long way to go. I find it mind boggling that a person would delude themselves into deep cycles of dehumanization just to hurt other people that they imagine are different from themselves. I'm glad both of you can laugh at this, it deserves to be laughed at and mocked. However, I want to remind you that you're wonderful.
Autogynephilia was a real hypothesis considered by the scientific community at some point, but a lot of people realized pretty quickly that you have to do all sorts of mental gymnastics to accept it as an explanation for trans identity (for starters, although it apparently could have potentially made sense for *some* cases of mtf gender euphoria, it struggles to explain persistent dysphoria or ftm euphoria from the get go), and the studies that supported it were packed with methodological errors.
One of its original creators still holds on to this explanation and calls liars to the trans folks that say it doesn't describe their experience. Not very scientific.
And honestly I used to struggle with being over sexual in my transition but even when i became celibate and stopped watching 🌽 i was still trans. To be honest transitioning is more enjoyable without the sexual aspect all together
Lets not forget a big chunk of the "research" the AGP guy did was classifying if he found the children he was researching hot enough to allow to transition, it never was good science
Agreed, but saying that im a woman inside of a man bodie It's not that scientific either.
@@takeiteasy1133 what would you say u are then
@@Transentlove A gender non conforming male with autogynephilia? Hahaha I dunno, is very large so I don't think about labels as much
I feel like there’s A LOT of projection coming from this dude.
He mentioned at the start that he de-transitioned. I think he’s applying his experience of what being trans was like to every other trans person. because the things he’s saying make zero sense.
Maybe transitioning was wrong for him, but for the vast vast majority of people who think they are trans it isn’t.
It’s important to take your time with these things and make sure you are as certain as you can be, but repressing your feelings forever once you’ve arrived at that stage is no way to live
I agree. Transitioning isn't for everyone and all trans people and detransitioners have different experiences when they transitioned. He just thinks his experience is how every experience is.
Yeah the summary should be explore how you actually feel for a bit, which is just common sense advice. This person just assumes that being transgendered is actually about sexuality/fetish like they are the authority because of their experience.
@@DM5550Z
What credentials does he have exactly? Because it doesn’t sound like he has any formal education on this topic whatsoever.
People are saying that he supposedly detransitioned for health reasons, so he might be lashing out as well in an attempt to justify to himself how he feels about his experiences.
After all, according to studies, only about 10-20% of people who transition end up detransitioning, and of those who do, the majority of them do so for reasons other than regretting it. The vast majority do so because of things like health issues and social/safety issues (death threats, loss of jobs, etc.) and most say that they plan on starting again as soon as they are able. By comparison, that's almost double the success rate of anti-depressants which sit at around a 45% success rate at improving people's life.
Bro he just wants trans women in men's bathrooms cuz he's the one with a fetish 🤮
17:34 yeah he said that with a little bit too much conviction
Listening to this guy just saying its autogynephilic without him providing any evidence other than "i detransitioned" is the most aggravating thing
what a load of drivel. for someone who sounds so educated he needs to do some research. not just find the shit that reinforces his opinions
So, he is saying that 6 year old me, who used to cry to sleep every night because I was born in the wrong body, has autogynephilia. Before I even use what intercourse was... The 8 year old me who stole phytoestrogens from drug stores, just to get a little relief from feeling crippling aloneness, and depression...
Phytoestrogens sadly don't do shit. Eating epoxy resin on the other hand... (bisphenol A, used as a precursor for epoxies, has significant estrogenic activity)
@@hammerth1421 You did what
@@hammerth1421 really!? I work epocy resin a bit, should i be saving a protion for myself?
My ~7 y.o. self feels sexualized by his statement as well. xD
Okay, here's a counter-example: I'm an older Millennial, raised as a Conservative Evangelical during the AIDS pandemic and the Satanic Panic in the 80s and 90s. I was unable to think of myself as possibly being "gay", because I didn't know what that word really meant (and wasn't even aware of the word trans until after my egg started cracking). I just knew it was a "sinful lifestyle choice" that shouldn't be learned about or even thought about too much. I assumed that my own unrelenting sexual frustration, resentment toward gender roles, and natural tendency to poke myself in the prostate for fun, must all be normal "temptations of the flesh" that everyone deals with, to be addressed with penance and self-discipline. Tried that approach for about 25 years, and was getting nowhere. Rather than question my gender, I spent years trying to figure out if there might be some way to suppress my libido with herbs or drugs, like the chaste-berry used by monks in Medieval Europe. I'm just saying, this is an example of someone who had no exposure to LGBTQ topics, except for very negative representation from religion and porn, and still ended up wanting to get chemically castrated. Even the Bible talks about "eunuchs who castrated themselves" voluntarily, because they felt Spiritually called to do so (Matthew 19:12). It's not brainwashing; it's just exposure. I'm the one who was brainwashed, and taught to be too afraid and disgusted to consider another point of view.
Okay but this guy knows SO LITTLE I almost don't believe he ever transitioned
He deffo didnt he is just using it as a excuse to hate on people.
He seems to have a lot of experience with trans porn.
He knows a lot. Six years as a lived female, wrote a pro trans book, and has a master's in philosophy.
@@jasonwismer2670 sorry say this but sound like he dose know what he talk about
@@jasonwismer2670He's made a lot of claims on that front, but hasn't substantiated them.
This is much more likely to be a false flag operation.
I'm 100% positive that he made that video because he has the fetish he keeps talking about. It is absolutely a self report.
I used to think I had autogynephilia, but now I completely understand that I'm just transgender.
This is no longer the reason I want to be a woman. The whole thing started from the opposite point; I tried to fit into my body's gender from early childhood, but it was hard to understand when I was psychologically beating myself every day to stop wanting to be a girl.
I now feel how much pain I had in my head that was just blocked, and because of this blockage, I developed things like autogynephilia.
Because of this theory and feeling like a pervert, I ended up in a psychiatric hospital and completely broke myself physically trying to be more of a man in my head.
Being a certain gender is more than just wanting something; you can't change it like something you like.
Gender is not something you have because you want it. You want to be a woman, because you just want to live, you don't have another you of the opposite gender to think differently.
Stopping your gender in your head is the same as killing yourself. Man and woman are different in their minds from birth.
Just gotta say if you’re pfp is you then you’re gorgeous 🎉. Glad you figured yourself out and got help . Happy transition !
Oh my god this... tried to be a man as well for decades, even ending up fathering kids. Well... at least the kids and my partner are supportive, after I fucking finally figured things out :/
Thanks for sharing your experience and making me feel less alone, I hope you can finally find a way to be happy now.
@@soupsoup8006 Second, what a cutey! 😊
i’m trans and asexual… how do i exist then
Not real! Not real! Trans asexuals can’t hurt me because they’re not real! :)
You don't
- J K (Rowling)
I was thinking the same thing, this is just giving my mom saying, "You just haven't met the right person yet" vibe
Quiet you. Stop disproving arguments by existing.
The Gender Paradox
Honestly, I'm glad F1nn and Icky were there to respond to this guy, because that was borderline painful to watch...
Also, apart from the inherent absurdity of what he was saying, I feel like the way he said it was so uncomfortable, awkward, and creepy that you can almost sense the cognitive dissonance and forced denial eating him alive as he says it. It's a far cry from the confidence and sense of humor with which F1nn and Icky speak, that's for sure. It ALMOST makes you feel sorry for him (if he weren't going out of his way to say hurtful things on the Internet for the satisfaction of transphobes).
Ray detransitioned because of health reasons. If he had remained healthy he would still be trans. He is super coping with his detrans stuff. It does not come from a genuine place.
You cannot remain healthy taking cross sex hormones and making yourself a lifelong medical patient.
You don't realise this is all being pushed to make doctors, surgeons and big pharma more money.
@@DM5550Z I mean... what are his arguments? Trans people, or "trans identified males with autogynephylia" shouldn't exist? He never really outlines his arguments. And even further argues that trans people expressing joy in their gender is "the same as gay people experiencing joy"? It's... not exactly the same, but he's implying that both shouldn't exist as it's a "fetish"? Are we criminalizing fetishes now?
@@DM5550Z why does he ignore clinical evidence then?
@@esharp48hes an old man(not guy in video) whos a proffesor and "studied" transsexuality so hes just arguing that his observations and conlusions are correct and constructing a theory for why trans people are trans, AGP is his theory for trans lesbians being heterosexual men with a paraphilia for femininity taken to its logical conclusion(there were a lot of trans women who found themselves through sexuality because it was the only setting they felt they could express their femininity and later realized it didnt just apply for sex), and for straight trans women he used the phrase homosexual transsexual(HSTS) and describes them as highly feminine gay men who transition in order to attract straight men. Both are based on stereotypes and generalizations and dont really have any clinical value.
I hate that whenever I hear someone detransitioned I immediately assume they will have sus intentions. It sucks but 99% of the time I'm right. (grayson is cool though)
That bro is Sadmaxxing so hard rn.
incelmaxxing
@@DM5550ZHis ideas were false from the start.
His claims centered around AGP, which is a junk theory that ignores the lived experiences of nearly every trans woman.
(And the sissy hypno stuff of course, but that's about having your agency taken away and having drastic changes done to you to make you more desirable to a dominant party without proper consent.)
@DarthMarr2009 that's true! However, the fact that what he's saying goes against almost every professionals opinion and thousands of published professional papers does disprove his ideas. No matter how many people get angry on the Internet at "the woke mob" you'll notice that all people with actual qualifications in the subject go against everything he said in his video. The only thing I could think of that would agree with him is the cass review which has been heavily disproven by many professionals as the person who conducted the class review basically just gave cis people hormones and acted shocked when it made them depressed.
@@DM5550Zblanchard loooool one of the most discredited academics in recent history, great source bro
@DarthMarr2009 literally just read the wiki page for it, it's the first result on Google. Quoting a paper that only works when you ignore all of fhe evidence against it really isn't a good source.
That person's video is the most projection I've seen in a long, long time.
I went into the male bathroom once as a genuine mistake as a trans woman, it was at a bar I was a little drunk and they had confusing signs but no one was in there so it was fine, But some random person saw me go in and later came up to me and just wanted to inform me that I went into the wrong bathroom. So just another point that going into the bathroom that is against your gender identity is just wierd for everyone.
Probably because you were dressed like a woman 😂
Honestly at this point I think we just need universal unisex bathrooms.
@@jackcoleman1784 you’ve got to be joking 😂
@@professorlean3733 No. I'm not. Unisex bathrooms are already quite common. Moreso in certain parts of the world. I honestly don't see the point of gendered bathrooms except to be used in arguments of sexism.
@@jackcoleman1784 let me guess, your a man who thinks he’s a woman? 😂
It seems like his specific transphobia boils down to anti-intellectualism. Like, as if it's fine to live your life, have a fetish if you have that, be happier on hormones or whatever, but not to have IDEAS about it. God forbid you reflect on your experiences and consider whether they MEAN something to you personally. "Don't think, just goon." Damn, you can tell he's into the hypno stuff fr, lol
I'm confused. If you actually watch his content that's what he's saying though 💀. He's saying that trans women that are AGP isn't a problematic thing nor does he look down on AGP trans women.
@@minxxxyagami And then what did I say about it?
"dont think just goon" needs to be put on a t shirt thats gold LMAO
Icky you and F1NN are just fine with what you are doing. Icky your advice is really solid. As a trans woman I 100% approve. And I have never had a euphoria boner in my life. Wpath guidelines, DSM 5 TR and ICD 11 diagnostic criteria for GD and GI.
“I could be a fucking chicken” is a hard as fuck quote
"i could be fucking chicken" im so sorry
@@noobciopep 😭
*insert adult human chicken joke here*
He quotes you asking "how do you know you are trans" with "no, you could just be a trans identified male with autogynephyia" but... he called you a "trans identified male with autogyephyila"? So like if thats just what he calls trans people, how can he say "or you could you just be [something else]" to the "are you trans question?"
I'm....beginning to suspect there is no logic behind his "arguments."
A lot of the replies to the comments under his video are literally just smug word salad. Like, this dude is a prime example of why at least some basic tools of scientific literacy should probably be part of mandatory education curriculum.
there never is ✨✨
This guy is such a grifter it is gross. Last I heard referencing agp casually is a dog whistle for “degenerate“ super uncool bro leave that shit in 1930s Germany bro
@@AutoGamerZ_ He's not stupid, he should know better. He studied philosophy and wrote a book about the trans experience as a trans woman. But apparently he decided to become a conservative grifter after detransitioning.
circular argument at its finest, "you can't be trans because you could be a man with a fetish because trans people are a man with a fetish because you can't be trans if you can be a man with a fetish" like, there is no argument, he's just saying "you're not trans you're a man with a fetish" in 20 different ways over and over, and then uses the previews times he said "you're not trans you're a man with a fetish" to justify the next time he's saying it.
I'm personally 100% thankful for your videos. At first F1nn popped up in my shorts and I just related alot always kinda questioned so I tried fluidity but that's when I took the lid off the repression jar and started to realize how dysphoric things were.. but the euphoria when female was undeniable where male either just was or gross. Then I started checking out your vids. And suddenly I felt certain like I put on my glasses. You made a scary topic seem relaxed and chill like I was with my friends 🧡 and made me feel more confident in my skin.
This guy called Icky he, they, she lol. His brain wants to respect you more than he admits to
I was actually surprised when he called her "she" lol. Like "wait, that part you're actually respecting?!"
He is a male.
@@-metaknight-1135 no :)
The guy detransitioned and projected so hard holy shit
No, he just came to terms with what it was all about. And for most heteros, it is.
@@jasonwismer2670 I'm pretty sure he was projecting believe it or not boners do not give me the biggest joy of my life
@@itr00ow93 The despise him because he no longer affirms your delusions and fetish.
lmao frrrrr
@@jasonwismer2670"and for most heteros it is"
Huh? Are you saying that all heterosexuals are AGP? And what are you basing that statement on?
George Chauncey wrote a book, well a monograph really, titled "Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940". In it he goes into some detail about the pre-homosexual queer world, given that the medical diagnosis of "homosexual" was invented and popularized during the period. Chauncey really digs into the various subcultures and types of identities that existed before an external label was applied via medicalization of someone's lived experience. "Sissy" was the term of common use among people (they called themselves) for AMB folks that would express femininity. We could categorize them today as trans women, and there was a lot of them. They had massive galas where drag performers, cross dressers, sissies, gays, lesbians and the cis het well-to-do of NYC would gather by the thousands, and have a gay ol' time. It would be front page news about how amazing the party was. Imagine a party so great that 100 years later people are still reading the newspaper article about it. That was early 1900's Gay NYC.
There was overlap with the sissy and gay communities, and a lot of common language between the two, like "hair up" or "hair down" being a pre-closet metaphor for being out (there wasn't a closet in the late 19th century early 20th). The metaphor was more to communicate a different conception of sexuality that doesn't map neatly into our gay or straight dichotomy thinking. Gay and sissy were both, for lack want of other words, bottoms, but sissies lived as women. There wasn't such a concept as gay man that was a top. Tops were considered straight, because it was more about roles than attraction. Passive v. active. I'm not going any further on that. The "up" or "down" was a reference to how women wore their hair-if someone's hair was up, they weren't out in modern terms. If it was down, like a woman's, then they were publicly out.
I haven't really tracked the sissy community from this point into modern times to see if they're the same, but there is more than 100-year history here of an identifiable community that parallels but isn't reducible to another community. The term transgender is a medicalization of the sissy's lived experience. It's still some outsider forcing a label onto a community. Now, for those that came into an understanding of themselves after that term was coined, it might feel like it fits better. But just like "homosexual," there was a time before it, and gay people existed with a community. Trans people existed before "transgender" and had community.
Chauncey does get to the beginning of building the closet in NYC at least. Gay New York had to be dismantled, brick by brick, over the course of decades. He does try to show why this happened. Initially it was because straight men would seek relations with sissies, and their wives would object almost as loudly as they did about other s. workers. Then it was that straight men would seek out relations with gay men, and their wives would object. Anti-s. work was the main way they kept prosecuting. A relevant thing to keep in mind is that there was a underlying belief that sissies and gays were betraying masculinity by not being straight (even if their version of "straight" would be gay af in today's thinking).
Anyways, can't recommend it enough: George Chauncey "Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture, and the Making of the Gay Male World, 1890-1940".
Is it just me or is anybody else creeped out too...how and where does a person learn this, i dont understand??
4chan is a scary place
with his videos you can end sleep or more awaken
Not gonna lie, I am kinda sorry for this person. Self hatred and projection can really mess people up. But on the other side they should be able to properly deconstruct the thoughts they are having.
6:06 Another point that they might have missed; he said Icky GROOMED Finn into being trans, but grooming is when an adult manipulates a child to grow up a certain way or act in a way to their advantage, which isn’t possible in this case since Finn and Icky are both adults in a consenting relationship. Just another point where he completely misses the mark 😑
What a silly guy. Anyway, apparently i have Autobots or whatever he said it was.
TRANSFORMERS! ROBOTS IN DISGUISE
Assemble!
No , hes just a Decepticon.
transitioning =/= because it will make me happy
transitioning = because I don't have to keep saying those long syllables he keeps saying.
I'm a cis man, and I've watched so many of the videos he's discussing and none of them ever made me want to transition. Or even really think about it.
When she said: "you already know you're trans" I understood without even a moment's confusion that I was not the "you" in that statement.
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When I was four, I tried to cut off my penis with scissors. It wasn't until I was middle age that I transitioned. I've have soul crush depression, self hate, ect. until I transitioned. When I got T levels down, that helped alot. Now that I'm having surgeies and become what I should have been. I'm the happies I have even been in my life. However, I just had boob surgery and they are sore. So not so cheery at the moment. Also, a boy that tries to cut off their prick at four, is a true transexual.
@@harleymerritt3630 og
You just like unlocked a memory for me I can’t believe I forgot about that probably because it was so long ago but yes taking a knife to it was probably a really early sign I missed 😅
its only because you dont want a euphoria boner, think about it !
thats metal
I just remembered when I was 4 I came out the bathroom crying hysterically because realized I had b*lls. My family laughed for a second until they realized I was serious. The energy in the room changed… i would get wildly depressed when I wasnt allowed to grow out my hair, do the same things as my girl cousins/sister/friends etc. but yeah im just an autogynaishdyduhuiomli 🙄
OMG I just noticed Ashley is wearing clothes from her own line. It looks good and comfy!
wait wait wait, she has her own line of clothes?
@@DAFLIDMAN In the process of happening. What she's wearing are early samples which probably all suck in some small way and thus have to be revised before they go into production.
@@hammerth1421 cooleo thanks for the info
Imagine clothes boners from your OWN OWN girl clothes /s
@@hammerth1421 For sure but they still look amazing!
Ugh...the TERF rot....this is so hard....my brain! >_o
"Beware of the risk."
The risk: You, too, may find joy.
Many hate the the idea, heavens forbid anyone should enjoy the simple natural pleasures of their own gender identity and body. Too much fun being alive for them.
Game suspended, we have a WINNER! You rock @Lostcause1974.
Best part about this is that Ray the AGP poster boy is lurking here--reading all the comments.
That’s why many of us lose our libido willingly. Are you forking kidding me.
Transitioning hasn't solved any of my problems, but it has meant that I now want to solve them, rather than just waiting for or seeking...........
This!!! Before my transition I completely didn’t care about my life but after I actually started taking steps to make my life better and pursue stuff
Thats right, hrt isnt a magical solution like many people on reddit says, and i agree that is very beautiful, that feeling of accepting yourself, and thats like the motivator for the change. I dont see how this isnt compatible with what ray has said
@@takeiteasy1133 It's the exact opposite of what he said. "Gender confusion" (as he put it) was at the core of all my issues. Transitioning literally "solved" some overnight and gave me the willpower to change others. Without transitioning, they never would have been "solved".
This! Even just figuring out that I'm trans suddenly had me working on solving shit instead of just giving up because I wasn't man enough or something and there was no point to my life anyway...
My whole thing when people say „all trans women are just AGP and sexualizing themselves“ is just like „yea, so what?" Even if we assume that is true (it’s not but let’s entertain the idiots) even if that’s it, how and why does that make it any less valid? It’s just an argument that’s deeply, deeply rooted in misogyny. This is exactly why we always say transphobia hurts cis women too.
I agree with you, indeed the idea of gender non corforming males is in favor of the idea that man that are femenine are not less valid.
100% They ignore the fact that females also do experience gender euphoria from looking and feeling sexy, wearing traditionally feminine clothing.
Many queer/ non binary/ or any women also not seen to be performing womanhood sufficiently are also shamed, or harmed by transphobia, fetish shaming and transvestigators".
@@sophiepooks2174 Those transvestigator asshats piss me off so much. My wife and daughter, both AFAB have had to deal with their shit multiple times because they didn't look sufficiently feminine to them. In my wife's case she's been harassed multiple times in restrooms because she has a very butch lesbian look to her but she's 5'10 and has really wide shoulders for a woman so they thought she was trans. This other case with my daughter was even more asinine. She was 2 bloody years old at the time and because she is autistic and couldn't stand having her hair in her face she wanted a haircut like her mommy, a buzzed undercut. So my wife's waiting to check out at a store with her and her twin brother. Daughter's wearing this cute pink dress with her short hair snuggling on this baby doll we found her and were going to buy her. Well this other lady apparently really didn't like that scene because she very loudly complains about not being able to find a doll for her *daughter* (emphasis hers) and that they should be allowed to buy the doll rather than us.
Luckily I had gone out to the car because it was a long line and I couldn't stand up anymore so I wasn't there. Not only would I have gotten angry about it, but my wife initially missed the transphobia of the lady's comments. All she said was "welp sorry, my daughter wants it and I'm buying it for her" and continued down the line to check out. It wasn't until she got back and reenacted what the lady said and how she said it that I was able to tell her what the lady meant. There would have definitely been a huge confrontation if she'd realized what the lady was really saying.
you didn't close the quotation marks and it's driving me insane
@@Faroshkas fair point. I tend to do that a lot even though I'm doing my best to watch out for it. I also have cringe European quotation marks that start down and end up instead of both being up but what's a girl to do? will edit the missing mark though :3
Honestly AGP and Sissy stuff has been the most damaging shit to me in terms of my confidence in my transness. It probably stopped me from realising it earlier. I still worry what if it's just a fetish - and I'm over two years on hrt and quite happy going about my day being seen as a woman
As cis male, transgenderism really confused me not in a bigoted way just was unknown to me. Until I spoke to transgender person and it was really eye opening. Its a shame some people can't widen their on views to new things.
Transgenderism lol
Transphobes get swept up in the hate more than actually talking with someone who is trans, and its really sad that they will trust their hateful emotion's more and jump further than they should, than to actually get all the info.
this goes for any harmless group. if you meet them, they tend to stop looking like the strawman placed in front of you by others.
fwiw, "transgenderism" isn't a term typically used by the community. It's mostly just a transphobic dogwhistle designed to dehumanize us
"Hi im foot fetish" destroyed me
I have an interesting thought to propose: Is he sexualizing children by saying gender euphoria is always a sexual thing, while I certainly was euphoric in wearing female cloths as a less then 8 y.o. boy?
No, hes not sexualizing children by being aware of the scientific fact of sexual development in children. I also used to crossdress as a child and the hypothesis of autogynephilia may explain why i have AGP and gender dysphoria.
@@takeiteasy1133 i mean he kinda is tho, the average age trans people report first realising they are trans is 7, when he says 85-90% of trans women have AGP that means he thinks a very large chunk of kids are getting sexual gratification before the age of 7. If he is gonna throw around fake stats, he need to be ready to suffer the consequence of people thinking he sexualises kids.
Where does the idea that no kids have sexual thoughts come from? I'm straight and cis, but as an 8 yo I definitely had some sexual thoughts already.
idk but the whole it being a fetish thing i dont get behind that.
I want to be female in daily life and percieved as female, i dont think people seeing me as female when i walk around the street or at work is sexual at all ^^.
Since i am realized i am trans fem i actually take care about my looks, my body and put effort it. First time i look at pictures of me and like what i see (no euphoria boner, its just a pleasent positive feeling in my stomach)
And thats completely fine
He's basically like "There is no 100% certainty to being trans. Therefore, the assumption should forever be that you're cis."
Wanting to control others and prevent them from seeking happiness is a much bigger concern than whether someone is "faking it."
This dude read a book from 40 years ago, and chose to ignore all of the literature from the last two decades that denounced this as a description of trans people. This is the kind of guy that will bend over backwards to support an outdated theory rather than admit he was wrong. Just reminds me of the people that claim to have the biggest of brains and follow science, but will argue the dumbest things.
AGP is still recognised and is observable in many trans identified males
@@-metaknight-1135that is scientifically incorrect
Honestly, as a transmasc, even if I was entirely cis I'd do it all again. I used to live with debilitating back pain and weak joints and would have had to spend a vast majority of my life in physical therapy I couldn't afford just to live some semblance of a normal life if I hadn't transitioned. Getting rid of the extra weight on my chest, getting rid of an organ that I was never going to use and which frequently caused me debilitating pain, and taking testosterone which strengthened my muscles alleviated so much of the problems caused by this, and now I can live some semblance of a normal life without constantly surviving off of pain killers, and I wouldn't trade that for anything. The only downside to transition was that I lost control over my vocal range, but that can be trained back, and I have so much more confidence in my voice just generally now that I don't hate hearing myself speak anymore
how is bro gonna explain ace trans people yk
like what about me im trans and i literally never think of myself in sexual situations, im not completely ace but i never have sexual fantasies or whatever, what about that mr guy, and i also didnt try to be trans other people figured it out before me and have been gendering me as a girl since i got long hair in elementary school and then later i was like oh actually being called a guy feels bad and being not called a guy doesnt and then i found out what trans ppl are, i still only wear mens clothing and whatnot, like hypothetically i should be percieved as a guy with long hair (i am by my family and my family only for some reason) but nope ppl percieve me as girl bc of gender performance or whatever which is also not smth im doing intentionally, idk, feels like this guy would have trouble explaining that, that or hed combine a whole bunch of random latin roots to make some ungodly word to explain
Icky is a chicken in a woman suit confirmed
I would like to file a complaint with the TAA (Trans Agenda Authority). I had to start transitioning all on my own. No grooming! Can I get a voucher for post-transitional grooming? I mean … it sounds so nice 🫠
I started HRT 2 months ago and your videos really helped sort of think all my stuff out (I went to actual therapy too, don't worry). This guy had detransition, I think he had a bad experience transitioning and it affected him. Instead of taking the time to process 'okay that didn't do what I expected, time to retool', he went straight into 'Everyone told me this would work, i guess they're all liars and it's all fake'. Ya know, like a rational sane person.
I think this guy didn't like the transition process and felt embarrassed. He is self reporting that he couldn't cope at seeing other trans-women and their 'successful(?)' transitions.
Yes, dont take it personal tho, he detransitioned because of health problems related to hrt, also he never have said that transitioning is bad, just that its a serius choice with pragmatic consequences. JK rowling is transphobic, Agp dont.
@@takeiteasy1133 I didn't know about the health problems. I'm going to be real here and say that sucks.
My main problem is that through his talks he discourages people from identifying as trans.
@@neonbacca5809 thanks for the honest answer. I get your problem with his speech, but he critique the narrative made by the trans community, but gender identity and transition are valid.
@@takeiteasy1133 I don't know who you are, but I sincerely hope you grow out of whatever it is that's making you follow this person. You're all over these comments claiming they're not transphobic (specifically by comparing them to JKR for some reason) and then acting like an ally. You genuinely seem like someone who's simply a little misguided, so please take care of yourself and don't fall too deep into that rabbit hole. Love you!
@@impishlyit9780 Ok, thanks for the advice, really Appreciate :).
He tought saying a lot of long words would make his point more valuable
Did you even watch any of his long form videos in full and not just clips?
"Autogyneandromorphilia" lol
this man is self reporting and projecting so hard, holy shit
I think this guy watched Silence of the Lambs once and thought that Buffalo Bill was just all trans people
That guy is so dunning krugar, he's read some stuff on it and now considers himself an expert.
I'm Cis Gay man and I did not thought about transitioning after watching your videos.
Did I explored my gender looking if I feel comfortable under some gender umbrellas? Yes. But simple video did not pushed me towards some point.
What I think happened here, is that he heard fancy terminology, and without thinking he is applying it to every single trans person, because he cannot comprehend that people cannot be other gender than the one assigned at birth.
I find it interesting that this guy seems to think that autogynephilia is a legitimate sexuality rather than a fetish. That isn't something I see very often when transphobes bring up the subject.
Absolutly, but i dont have that same concept of transphobe, JK rowling is transphobic, Ray is just telling his truth.
@@takeiteasy1133 autogynephilia has been debunked by actual experts like hundred of times so no he isn't telling the truth. autogynephilia is transphobic in the same way its abelist to act like a person with autism is the same a child. We have our own agency & we would not have done all of this work to pass in society if it was just a sexuality.
@@404maxnotfound authority fallacy, Autogynephilia is an scientific hypothesis and an incomplete one but that doest mean that is entirely false, correlation doesnt means causality, many people use agp as a way to justify their hate, but that doesnt imply the theory is wrong, in fact those people think all agp are perverts, wich is a generalisation. Also gender identity is not just sexuality, but saying that im a woman trapped into a men bodie doesnt seems very scientific to say the least.
@@takeiteasy1133 "woman trapped in a mans body" is a figure of speech. its used to express that you want to identify more femininely and be seen as more feminine, but at the moment you look more masculine.
can we stop using random phrases as some "gotcha"
He oscillates on what AGP is: paraphilia, orientation, sexuality. Because Blanchard himself
I love these types of debunking videos! Would love to see it more often and maybe even on political topics.
Keep it going, we love the vids!
i think bro is just trans and coping
Bros just admitting he’s into trans women and telling people to not question it
Wasn't able to finish the video, I have to deal with transphobes like that all the time and just can't relax while watching that sort of video. Much love ICKy and F1nn, but I look forward to yall's next video.
Good choice. "Blandchardism" is just such cursed nonsense
The whole "i am a random person on the internet that has a fetish therefore everyone has the same fetish as me" thing is just telling that he has never considered what another human being might be feeling. I feel real sorry for him and any potential partners
new icky lore just dropped??
@ 19:30. 2 hours? I had to see a psychiatrist for 6 months to get my letter with diagnosis. This is not someone waking up, "I want to be a ... today", but a lifetime of pain and denying one's true self until one day, you have had enough pain.
Gender-non-confirming man sounds cool, a little bit like flying all-terrain-vehicle.
take a shot everytime he says autogynephilia
Noo, I don't want to die!
Severely intoxicated
A shot of water. Cant have liver failure lol
@@TyroneBackyardiagains there is such thing as water toxicity. you can actually die from drinking too much water
@@serabi_ true.didnt think about that lol
Gonna be honest. Saw your content around but never watched. Tho I did savegotten a few videos. But your video that he is misrepresenting was probably the crack I needed. I’ve been thinking about [being a trans woman] since high school. Literally it’s been 20 years. I really needed to hear your words. And as a result I’ve just given up couching my language around the topic. And honestly it felt good. ❤ so like I’m sure you get a million supportive comments a day but here’s one more. 😅
Before I started. Interview. Discussion doctor review. Mental evaluation. I passed all requirements. And now MTF medical HRT. I'm happier. Still have stress etc. But, not as severe as it was.