this is why the bf surfer is the best car in the game you can take a corner at any speed in that car you don't have to worry about top speed or acceleration because after the countdown you've already won
Yeah might just keep you ahead of all the kids trying to smash you off the track at the last second XD I hate that shit but I can never seem to get through a night without at least one person inviting me to Long Haul 2!
Kinda sad they didn't give this car some rear wheel steer like the Porsche 918. Also odd they kinda of reversed the roles. Giving Porsche better top speed but worse handling. Giving the Mclaren the best handling but less accel and top speed.
knowing how busy Broughy is (those loot-boxes aren't gonna open themselves) it's pretty great that he would take the time to make this video explaining stuff to guys just finding the channel and it's kinda cool that he does it without talking down to people who are new to the scene - most TH-camrs aren't that patient and would call them noobz or something respect ~
3 reasons why I bought the 811. 1. Fastest car in the game AND glitched on PC. 2. Fastest open top/cabrio car in the game. The glory days of the 9F cabrio are over. 3. Complete the Laferrari, P1, 918 trinity. Or in GTA terms. Turismo R, T20, 811.
"Isn't it down to driver if it has better top speed and acceleration?"...he can't be serious, right? Surely that was just a comment to get the comments section riled up, right? RIGHT?!
If you think about the media most people know about racing, stuff like The Fast and The Furious, there seems to be the implication that if you master drifting or certain special skills you'll just be faster than everyone else regardless of how shitty your car is. But in reality, you need high skills to push a car to the limits but once you're there, the limits are the limits. You can't force the tires to give more grip around a corner, drifting isn't going to make it so you beat out a car with better grip. That's something most people don't really get.
The entire point of this video is that a lot of people don't understand racing principles. That's in all fairness a valid question for someone not invested in GTA racing.
Thereotically he would be correct, he was saying that if everyone can handle a different car the same skill, but like broughty said you would be forced to slow down in turns for certain cars
This vid gave me flash backs of reading the first Gran Turismos massive manual on PS1, describing the physics and basic tactics on driving and forever turning me into a gear head. Great stuff!
broughy, i've been watching you for quite a while now and every video you make, wether its an explanation or a comparison, always teaches me something new. You are also the reason why i became really good and maybe even a little obsessed with GTA racing. Just by watching your videos i learned the better corners to take and how, i know what cars to use in what class and most of all, i enjoyed the learning proces, so thanks for making me the good racer that i am today and i hope that one day i will race against you in a PS4 online race. that would be my ultimate comparison just to see how far i've come compared to you. but like i said, thanks for everything and keep up the amazing work
I'm not good enough for competitive racing and certainly no where near the Broughy level of driving but when I do my own testing I usually come up with the same results, just with worse lap times. I spent a lot of time trying to drive the 811 better and did improve quite a bit. The best thing about this car is if you put in the effort to get better lap times with it you will become a better driver of all cars. For example I eventually managed to get a lap time in the 811 that was slightly better than my previous best lap in the Tempesta. I decided to try it again with the Tempesta and on my first lap not only did I beat my best 811 lap time, my driving had improved enough that I beat my previous best Nero lap time by 1.3 seconds in the Tempesta. As of today just messing around I'm getting better lap times in the snow with cars like the Elegy Retro than I previously did on a dry track in the same car. So thanks to you Broughy for all the time and research you put into bringing us great videos which have helped my own driving skills and thanks also to the terrible traction of the 811 for forcing me to change some bad driving habits I had.
Thanks for yet another informative video! I watched the very same Saintsfan vid and considered making a response to his question in the comments. However I figured I would have spent way too much time on it, and the answer probably wouldn't have been half as intuitive and easy to understand as this video. The work you put in for the racing community is truly immense, and it's great that you aknowledge and adapt to the fact that not everyone has the same understanding of racing in this game and in general.
it's a fact I've forgotten over time as well and get crudely reminded of at times. from the start of gta5 I was interested in every aspect of car performance and what was the best and discovered your channel along with shaggy and other soon to be racers in the community. I learned "rafecraft" and overall how to handle and drive many cars. but even now I always run into groups who still either can't or don't care to learn to drive the cars and it makes racing unenjoyable at times until I find someone with similar or greater skill. many people base their opinion of a car on all these youtubers who claim what's the best based on top speed and maybe acceleration. never lap times and handling and traction. it's been an epidemic in the community for quite a long time causing useless arguments on which car is the "fastest"
Oh mah gawd a GTA online TH-cam channel that has zero click bait and thoughtful content? I'd subscribe, but I can't since I'm already subscribed... Like 2282 :)
You're the best gta racing youtubers of all time, you explain stuff really good and I'm not into racing myself but I know a lot about it because of you :) keep making videos please I love them
I was in both those airport races. In both I choked more than you did in this season MCEC. (I never drove on RON raceway.) Now people think I suck at driving. :( But I just really don't care what people think, all I care about is the fact you just uploaded an awesome video!
Thank you Broughy. You have helped me. I have to buy both the FMJ and the 811. Need me to do some grinding so i can have both though. (oh, and i hate that spoiler on the 811. Uhhhh!!) Also looking forward to your 770 test. I hope it's good. Right up there with the best of the sports class. Horses for courses B, horses for courses.
excellent, as always. I'm proud to be a fan of your videos Broughy! you're pretty much the video game Stig --- as much as others can talk about the feel of cars, if we want some empirical, consistent answers, your work is so insightful.
This is why I love your videos. You show us the best cars in terms of how you drive them around a particular track. That doesn't mean they are the best or worst car, fact! It means they're the best for you on that track. I personally tend to take the top few cars and try them for myself. For example, the gauntlet is by far my favourite muscle car to use and wins me many more races than the sabre or the dominator when fully upgraded. It's not the best vehicle for you but it is for me. And the same goes for someone else, they might be better in the massacro than in the eleghy and that's fine. There is no best and worst car for everyone, we all have a best and worst car individually for ourselves. Your videos should be used as a guideline for people to make their own decisions. Your vids are great man, keep them up! I've only got back into GTA in the last couple of months purely because of your content so keep it coming :)
Yep! And thanks for the kind words :) Although I will point out that my testing is done when pushing the cars to the limit. For example there will always be someone out there who can beat you in a race using a Sabre Turbo Custom or a Dominator Racecar, as long as you're using a Gauntlet. It's the best vehicle for you and you'll win races against people worse than you, but you'll never be able to beat a top driver in one of the top cars in a Gauntlet because it's simply not quick enough. As an example, you won't be able to beat the lap times from the Dominator Racecar in my testing videos with a Gauntlet, despite it performing the best for you in races overall.
+Broughy1322 yeah I understand that, obviously when driven perfectly those cars will win But I know that when I drive a gauntlet, I drive it better than I can drive the other muscle cars Everyone should try out the cars you do and decide for themselves which they prefer best before just going and getting the best and hoping it works for them
Thank you for this video, Broughy. It is far too common that people with somewhat decent racing ability but little knowledge about racing think that you can offset bad handling with good driving. They do not understand that it is not THEIR ability that makes the big difference but the abilities of the OTHER racers in cars with better handling. I hope your explanation helps some people. Thumbs up!
It all boils down to the track. Yes, the 811 will lose potential lap time when there are more corners, which will instead open up opportunities for slower cars with better traction. However, there are race tracks, where traction is less important than top speed, where there are little opportunities for slower cars to take corners. There is also a level of balance, because on a long road, you would be making up for that. In stunt races, the 811 is perhaps the best car in the game for air control during jumps. So in races with ramps, the 811 tends to have advantages in these areas. You are very right though, it all largely boils down to multiple factors like the quality of the driver, circumstances of the race and drivers ability to use opportunities the track provides. The point is, some vehicles are just better suited for certain races than others. I don't think there is an all round best car. I actually think it's a good idea to have an 811 regardless, it opens up opportunities for different races.
I used to have a 811, they are absolutly the worst in stunt races, and normal races are almost impossible to find, it always ends up with a stuntrace which I have to dicline.
I agree, the 811 is definitely that... _other_ car you use for races with a lot of straights, while you have something like a Nero for general races. I personally use my 811 in free mode when I'm doing CEO work, simply because there's nothing stopping me from going max speed when the CEO work takes you across the map, and always through the highways of the game. And when I get into a real race, with it's fair share of corners and straights, I'll use a Nero for that, simply because it's equally good at taking a corner as it is having a good top speed. Stunt races, an 811 is good if you can balance unstable speed with the long turns the tracks have. Most times, you'll bounce off of the railing and get a turn and speed boost, if you don't spin out. Plus, the price for speed is outstanding. One of the cheaper quality cars for sure. It's only a tad bit more expensive than an Adder, and it's tons faster than something double that price.
Ran on your videos while finding out which is the fastest super car in the game, I am not bashing anyone else but I am very glad that I found someone that does proper testing, not only drag races. And I totally agree with everything you said. Congratz for a new sub lel, keep it up!
Yes because you can totally use your WILLPOWER to make a car handle better...*facepalm at datsaintsfan*. A car's handling stat is literally CODED into the game, in the same way that cars in real life have LIMITS to their handling. You can't just "know the car better" and it will magically outhandle all the other cars. Not that knowing it better doesn't do anything, but at the end of the day, it won't push beyond the set limits.
I think you should get lots of subscribers, I subscribed year or two ago and I enjoy your contents and I really don't see anything bad with this channel or the content
I love this concept of testing this car in two different types of tracks, i wish that other cars are going to be test this way two, like showing what class of tracks the cars can shine most in or if they wont shine in any kind of track.
It's so obvious that you care about your viewers broughy, videos like this help more than you think. I would consider myself better than the average racer and I can't tell you how much your advice has helped me. Keep it up man, I look forward to your insight
it is mostly but not entirely up to skill. i win all the time with the 811 in public races against the suposedly better re7b but again i play all kinds of racing games so someone with less experience would be better off with better traction
Yep of course. But then again most people who can't drive are in public races. Take your 811 against an RE-7B driven by someone who knows what they're doing and you'll be left behind easily.
I think you proved this best in one of the first videos I ever watched of yours. You went up against a random with a slow car and won by a mile. I forget the video but that's just a roll of the dice. Go against someone equally skilled and you would have been dusted.
Great video broughy, especially for people who are interested in learning how to race properly. I like how the video went beyond the scope of should I buy the 811, explaining the cars strengths and weaknesses and what causes them. I've learned about 90 percent my racing techniques from you lol. On a side note I do enjoy this car for freeroam events, time trials, fastest speed events, etc.
i bought it just because im an absolute porsche fanboy and ive gotta say, i really love how the cars feels while driving, by far my favourite for simple freeroam driving
YoungClickClack I have 30 million dollars and I race because it's fun... Racing is where I get all my money and I don't try to make money, I just enjoy it.
I'm one of the few people that feel comfortable with his car. I tired it stock in a regular race, and it went fairly well. It was a solo race, trying to find some cheeky lines, but I noticed how much smoother I had to take the turns. And by smoother, I mean, it was normal levels of smooth, because I smoothly throw my car around corners. It's good for free roam. Not bad in stunt races, and depending on the settings, track, and skill/style of the driver, it can hold it's own in an average race. The stability is better than I would expect though. Look at me, getting information on cars that came out a year ago, and I'm only now saving up for.
+Broughy1322 thanks for the reply..your channel is growing because you put in the work...most gta5 youtubers are still ranked 100 after 3yrs of crappy gameplay..I've been with you since Yeah vs NODO..keep it up..
Thanks for the explanation! Even though I knew (probably thanks to another video of yours :p) that more traction = ability to keep more speed in corners, your wording makes it quite a bit clearer.
I have been watching your videos for a while now. The way you break down everything is amazing. You put so much detail into your video that my head nearly pops from all of it. Also I was wonder how I could possibly join into the racing that you on GTA V. I'm a big time racer and I'm willing to learn more about it
The Gran Turismo Series Licence Tests helped break me out of the "Arcade Mode" racing mentality. Your racing tutorials naturally mirror many of the principles or cornering, breaking, acceleration etc. since, much like the Gran Turismo series, you are influenced by real life racing. I seriously can't wait until it hits the PS4.
I could be wrong but I think they hotfixed the suspension glitch on the 811. Thanks Broughy, totally agree, there's a limit to the capabilities of every car. Sidenote: if you hover the tire lines over where they're to be placed and switch the rotation type it'll slightly sink the object into the ground. Tire lines are meant to outline the racing grounds, not screw someone over if they brush against them, sinking them will give a little forgiveness.
I'm not sure if this was Rockstar's intention, but it feels like they're giving us two cars in each class that dominates different situations. Proper track, use your X80, Elegy/Massacre/Racing Jester, Stirling GT, Zion. Speed track, use your 811, Schafer V12, Z-Type, Windsor (?). I think its been going this way for a while, maybe all the way back to the Stirling, but definitely since the Banshee 900r and the V12. it feels like more and more, you really do need two different cars in many classes, and then you just have to pick the right car for the right race. On a side note, I've been crushing people in Dipping In with my 811, which may be a bit if a surprise to a lot of people.
I have an Osiris for proper racing, it's the best supercar in my opinion because of it's perfect balance between traction and acceleration. And it feels so smooth, i love it!
I love your videos, I have been watching them all night. I appreciate a guy who knows what he is talking about and who can tell us proper ways to improve racing. Personally I dislike racing in GTA V mainly because people can sabotage you but it is, however a good game to learn car handling at fast speeds. I am a fan of the Pfister but it's not my favorite car in the game. That title for me belongs to the Cheetah, it has very nice speed for someone who is starting out on controlling his or her car at faster speeds. The traction for going around corners is very nice and gives you a chance to get around the corner. Braking if upgraded is decent for a car like that, but not the best. Finally, the acceleration is great on the Cheetah and gets you to the top speed nicely. That's why I personally love the Cheetah.
hey broughy, sorry to make a second post but I have a slight suggestion for the updated testing videos that you will do. 1) I think it might be an okay idea to put whether the car is rear wheel drive, AWD etc in the video itself on the showcase for every car, maybe under the laptime in a small text, or wherever else you can fit it. I know it's in the spreadsheet but, may be better to have it on the video itself, I know for some of the vehicles you talked about this aspect so it would weed out that part :) 2) personally the only issue I had with some of the earlier videos was that sometimes there was commentary during the testing that was not directly related to the vehicles. for example in the offroad video there was extendend talk about why you chose not to test them on an off-road track, but there were other examples. don't get me wrong, I am perfectly fine with the commentary, however I think it resulted in a few of the vehicles being acknowledged by only a few words. I believe it would be best if such commentary/explanations were kept but instead put either at the beginning or at the end of the video, rather than during the showcase of the vehicles itself. just me though. cheers and keep up the good work.
I always own two cars of each class: one for top speed, and one for racing (when the two aren't the same car). I almost always do random races, and top speed races are rather popular, so I can pick my custom 811 or Schafter V12 of Z-Type, or whatever, and choose the X80, Elegy or Sterling GT in any other, more regular race.
As someone who doesn't race, at all, but enjoys driving around the hills and driving through the city, I sort of understand the need for traction and it's pretty much the reason I'm subscribed here. If you throw it around the track and it's absolutely useless, then I know that for my usage of a vehicle, it'll be absolutely useless :P
Have you ever considered making a traction/cornering set of videos and doing lap times based on it? I would be interested in seeing where cars line up in that set.
Broughy with another great video. I hated the 811 and you proved me right to my friends. But in your car list thingy, (forgot its name) the one with the track times and handling files, the XLS' are missing. Would u please add them too ? Thank you.
A little suggestion Broughy; Can you put shortly in the title things you are going to talk about in the video? When I clicked the video, I didn't expect a long lesson. It was very interesting, but It wasn't what I was waiting for by the title of the video. You should tell in the title about it so if someone is interested about that lesson they know what video to watch. Somebody might completely miss this because he isn't interested about 811. Or you can make two separate videos and get more of that TH-cam dolla dolla :)
MinigunGaming That may be true, but this is a racing channel and most of the people regularly watching his channel and watching his streams are racing oriented. Therefore it makes sense that he doesn't recommend this vehicle (to us), but only to those that do highway races only (or as freeroam car, but you'd be better of with Zentorno in that case).
@Broughy1322 good vids Broughy i think you explain it perfectly - about cornering. I bought the 811 after watching a few other pro 811 vids and after some time i did improve my handling of the vehicle and i can win a few races even at level 70- say the new Plummet II- but when it comes down to person vs person in real race time experience you just cannot adjust the handling "faster" if you are a better driver.. there are certain physical limits vs time it takes to brake and accelerate - poor traction is poor traction- STILL i love this car! especially sprinting around the city - in the long term, if you are racing across the entire map on the straightest highways - the Pfister 811 is a dream! i have a love hate relationship with all the super cars thanks for all your work - it really helps understand what vehicles i personally like and why!
*Question: Doesn't Terrain also affect your traction? I know that's kind of an obvious thing to ask, but as an example given by how the game's physics works drifting around a corner on asphalt, grass, sand, and especially dirt will not be the same, or will it?* *I would expect it wouldn't. But given the classes of vehicles we have, doesn't it change the scenario then?* *For example: Off-Road Vehicles tend to be much slower on rougher terrain, but they're traction is higher on sand or grass than on the street.*
I think a perfect example of the point the video made (and I haven't finished watching the video yet but I think it should've been linked) was the slow sports showdown, the duel between the super gt (high top speed) and khamelion (high acceleration and better cornering). that race showed perfectly how the cars were quicker or slower depending on the section of the track, and ultimately how this stuff can prove to be an advantage or a disadvantage. also another thing that I should note and that some people seem to have forgotten, is that broughy's testing videos are very old now and were started at a point where most people didn't even play custom races like these two but played mainly rockstar's city races which are highly dependant on traction - cutting coroners is kind of a perfect example of a track similar to those, and that is what the testing mostly refers to. obviously the values are going to be different on a track like the blaine county one where top speed matters way more. ultimately, the idea here is to give people a recap and see if the car suits their driving style or the choice of track - broughy himself has still recommended many types to just enter a random race and select a stock vehicle before you buy it to see if you like the way that it drives. ultimately it's meant to be a guide, every racer beyond that decides for himself what he looks for in a car. the guide is meant to help people get their own opinion rather than flat out telling them "this is the car you should buy" (except in extreme cases where rockstar fucked up the balance obviously).
The difference between you and most TH-camrs.
You do it to help others.
They do it for $$$.
MrBossFTW
Honestly ever TH-camer does it for the money
@@AsunderFuture mrbossforthewiener
Archis Marathe um do are you dumb have? Clearly its mrbossfecktheworld smh
@@devinkolka8002 no it's BossManFuckTheWorld
this is why the bf surfer is the best car in the game you can take a corner at any speed in that car you don't have to worry about top speed or acceleration because after the countdown you've already won
Lmao
+INFAMOUS-ONE77
You have to get the one with the surfboard on top though, it acts as a spoiler like the Stirling gt's spare tire.
CLASS BREAKER!
lucas (Katenhond) approves!
It's a component, don't affect anything besides looking and texture
Broughy is a very smart guy. He makes videos that last forever. Like "what's the fastest (type) in Gta v" these videos just last forever.
Best car for Long Haul :D
Yeah might just keep you ahead of all the kids trying to smash you off the track at the last second XD I hate that shit but I can never seem to get through a night without at least one person inviting me to Long Haul 2!
+PeeCarNoo you should make a video on this too
Yep, peecarnoo thanks man you're the reason I sold my X80 for this.
+Kendal DK That x80 is still the best at almost everything else.
+thatissomeBS yeah i know but I normally use the T20.
Kinda sad they didn't give this car some rear wheel steer like the Porsche 918. Also odd they kinda of reversed the roles. Giving Porsche better top speed but worse handling. Giving the Mclaren the best handling but less accel and top speed.
Wow. You really tried your best to explain the basics of racing for amateurs. Good work!
Cheers :)
Much love from the USA! Super articulate and very helpful.
Cheers! :)
You explained it really well. When someone doesnt understand the video, they doesnt understand how racing works.
Cheers! :)
knowing how busy Broughy is (those loot-boxes aren't gonna open themselves) it's pretty great that he would take the time to make this video explaining stuff to guys just finding the channel
and it's kinda cool that he does it without talking down to people who are new to the scene - most TH-camrs aren't that patient and would call them noobz or something
respect
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I try my best :)
much broughy love for what he does for us
3 reasons why I bought the 811.
1. Fastest car in the game AND glitched on PC.
2. Fastest open top/cabrio car in the game. The glory days of the 9F cabrio are over.
3. Complete the Laferrari, P1, 918 trinity. Or in GTA terms. Turismo R, T20, 811.
I never thought about the trinity but now I see what he turismo is based off of I'm buying my t20 back
brahhh????????/ the laferrari is the Osiris the turismo is to old to be the laferrari.......
+Apex_WhiteOut you ever seen a laferrari? The osiris is a pagani huayra
yeah at the back
+Apex_WhiteOut I hate ignorant people like you.
It is unbelievably satisfying watching you race.
"Isn't it down to driver if it has better top speed and acceleration?"...he can't be serious, right? Surely that was just a comment to get the comments section riled up, right? RIGHT?!
i am afraid he really is this stupid :D
If you think about the media most people know about racing, stuff like The Fast and The Furious, there seems to be the implication that if you master drifting or certain special skills you'll just be faster than everyone else regardless of how shitty your car is. But in reality, you need high skills to push a car to the limits but once you're there, the limits are the limits. You can't force the tires to give more grip around a corner, drifting isn't going to make it so you beat out a car with better grip. That's something most people don't really get.
that's the most out of context comment I've seen this week. Congrats on your bullshit.
The entire point of this video is that a lot of people don't understand racing principles. That's in all fairness a valid question for someone not invested in GTA racing.
Thereotically he would be correct, he was saying that if everyone can handle a different car the same skill, but like broughty said you would be forced to slow down in turns for certain cars
This vid gave me flash backs of reading the first Gran Turismos massive manual on PS1, describing the physics and basic tactics on driving and forever turning me into a gear head.
Great stuff!
+Broughy1322 can get a link to the Blaine county track? Thanks
+Max Powerage find it here Http://bit.ly/BroughysCrew (BC24h long)
+Max Powerage sorry wrong link - Http://bit.ly/BroughysTracks
+Broughy1322 thanks many as always keep up the great work!
broughy, i've been watching you for quite a while now and every video you make, wether its an explanation or a comparison, always teaches me something new. You are also the reason why i became really good and maybe even a little obsessed with GTA racing. Just by watching your videos i learned the better corners to take and how, i know what cars to use in what class and most of all, i enjoyed the learning proces, so thanks for making me the good racer that i am today and i hope that one day i will race against you in a PS4 online race. that would be my ultimate comparison just to see how far i've come compared to you.
but like i said, thanks for everything and keep up the amazing work
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it! :)
I'm not good enough for competitive racing and certainly no where near the Broughy level of driving but when I do my own testing I usually come up with the same results, just with worse lap times. I spent a lot of time trying to drive the 811 better and did improve quite a bit. The best thing about this car is if you put in the effort to get better lap times with it you will become a better driver of all cars. For example I eventually managed to get a lap time in the 811 that was slightly better than my previous best lap in the Tempesta. I decided to try it again with the Tempesta and on my first lap not only did I beat my best 811 lap time, my driving had improved enough that I beat my previous best Nero lap time by 1.3 seconds in the Tempesta. As of today just messing around I'm getting better lap times in the snow with cars like the Elegy Retro than I previously did on a dry track in the same car. So thanks to you Broughy for all the time and research you put into bringing us great videos which have helped my own driving skills and thanks also to the terrible traction of the 811 for forcing me to change some bad driving habits I had.
Glad to help! Cheers :)
Broughy1322 I have a question what do you think is better for using when turning around a corner handbrake or just braking
Broughy1322 I need the best race care but I don't know which one it is
Husna Sohail are you serious... this is racing not drifting
Damn. The other dude tried to prove broughy wrong, and this video basically just completely roasted that guy XD
At around 16 mins you really see the power of traction when the fmj over takes it
Thanks for yet another informative video! I watched the very same Saintsfan vid and considered making a response to his question in the comments. However I figured I would have spent way too much time on it, and the answer probably wouldn't have been half as intuitive and easy to understand as this video. The work you put in for the racing community is truly immense, and it's great that you aknowledge and adapt to the fact that not everyone has the same understanding of racing in this game and in general.
Thanks man I appreciate that
it's a fact I've forgotten over time as well and get crudely reminded of at times. from the start of gta5 I was interested in every aspect of car performance and what was the best and discovered your channel along with shaggy and other soon to be racers in the community. I learned "rafecraft" and overall how to handle and drive many cars. but even now I always run into groups who still either can't or don't care to learn to drive the cars and it makes racing unenjoyable at times until I find someone with similar or greater skill.
many people base their opinion of a car on all these youtubers who claim what's the best based on top speed and maybe acceleration. never lap times and handling and traction. it's been an epidemic in the community for quite a long time causing useless arguments on which car is the "fastest"
Indeed. Thanks for the comment and kind words :)
Nice to see you using your wider audience to spread correct and relevant information. Genuinely great, informative video.
Cheers man I appreciate that! :D
Oh mah gawd a GTA online TH-cam channel that has zero click bait and thoughtful content? I'd subscribe, but I can't since I'm already subscribed... Like 2282 :)
:D
Well explained man. Perfect video to listen/watch while I'm at work
Thanks for posting! very helpfull video as always :D
:)
You're the best gta racing youtubers of all time, you explain stuff really good and I'm not into racing myself but I know a lot about it because of you :) keep making videos please I love them
Cheers I appreciate that! :)
I wonder if there is someone that is the equivalent of Broughy for Weapons,Armor,Military Vehicles,Etc.
Hope not because no one would care.
TIMMMAY67 I would actually do,only about the weapons.
The GTA weapon designs are not that detailed so analyze videos are not easy for You Tube.
"Gibs' o matic" is helpful, i'd check him out.
Zhi_Long I'm actually talking about their stats,i don't care of the esthetic.
I was in both those airport races. In both I choked more than you did in this season MCEC. (I never drove on RON raceway.) Now people think I suck at driving. :(
But I just really don't care what people think, all I care about is the fact you just uploaded an awesome video!
Thank you Broughy. You have helped me. I have to buy both the FMJ and the 811. Need me to do some grinding so i can have both though. (oh, and i hate that spoiler on the 811. Uhhhh!!)
Also looking forward to your 770 test. I hope it's good. Right up there with the best of the sports class.
Horses for courses B, horses for courses.
Happy to help! :)
excellent, as always. I'm proud to be a fan of your videos Broughy!
you're pretty much the video game Stig --- as much as others can talk about the feel of cars, if we want some empirical, consistent answers, your work is so insightful.
such an easy concept but hard to put into words. but I thought this was a clear detailed well made video
This is why I love your videos. You show us the best cars in terms of how you drive them around a particular track. That doesn't mean they are the best or worst car, fact! It means they're the best for you on that track. I personally tend to take the top few cars and try them for myself. For example, the gauntlet is by far my favourite muscle car to use and wins me many more races than the sabre or the dominator when fully upgraded. It's not the best vehicle for you but it is for me. And the same goes for someone else, they might be better in the massacro than in the eleghy and that's fine. There is no best and worst car for everyone, we all have a best and worst car individually for ourselves. Your videos should be used as a guideline for people to make their own decisions. Your vids are great man, keep them up! I've only got back into GTA in the last couple of months purely because of your content so keep it coming :)
Yep! And thanks for the kind words :) Although I will point out that my testing is done when pushing the cars to the limit. For example there will always be someone out there who can beat you in a race using a Sabre Turbo Custom or a Dominator Racecar, as long as you're using a Gauntlet. It's the best vehicle for you and you'll win races against people worse than you, but you'll never be able to beat a top driver in one of the top cars in a Gauntlet because it's simply not quick enough. As an example, you won't be able to beat the lap times from the Dominator Racecar in my testing videos with a Gauntlet, despite it performing the best for you in races overall.
+Broughy1322 yeah I understand that, obviously when driven perfectly those cars will win
But I know that when I drive a gauntlet, I drive it better than I can drive the other muscle cars
Everyone should try out the cars you do and decide for themselves which they prefer best before just going and getting the best and hoping it works for them
3:20 WTF THAT 811 WAS GOING SO FAST
I believe it was caused by damage
Slipstream or curb boosting
Thank you for this video, Broughy. It is far too common that people with somewhat decent racing ability but little knowledge about racing think that you can offset bad handling with good driving. They do not understand that it is not THEIR ability that makes the big difference but the abilities of the OTHER racers in cars with better handling. I hope your explanation helps some people. Thumbs up!
Cheers!
It all boils down to the track.
Yes, the 811 will lose potential lap time when there are more corners, which will instead open up opportunities for slower cars with better traction.
However, there are race tracks, where traction is less important than top speed, where there are little opportunities for slower cars to take corners. There is also a level of balance, because on a long road, you would be making up for that.
In stunt races, the 811 is perhaps the best car in the game for air control during jumps. So in races with ramps, the 811 tends to have advantages in these areas.
You are very right though, it all largely boils down to multiple factors like the quality of the driver, circumstances of the race and drivers ability to use opportunities the track provides.
The point is, some vehicles are just better suited for certain races than others. I don't think there is an all round best car.
I actually think it's a good idea to have an 811 regardless, it opens up opportunities for different races.
Primal so buying a car over 1milion that you only use for 10% of all races?
I used to have a 811, they are absolutly the worst in stunt races, and normal races are almost impossible to find, it always ends up with a stuntrace which I have to dicline.
I agree, the 811 is definitely that... _other_ car you use for races with a lot of straights, while you have something like a Nero for general races.
I personally use my 811 in free mode when I'm doing CEO work, simply because there's nothing stopping me from going max speed when the CEO work takes you across the map, and always through the highways of the game. And when I get into a real race, with it's fair share of corners and straights, I'll use a Nero for that, simply because it's equally good at taking a corner as it is having a good top speed. Stunt races, an 811 is good if you can balance unstable speed with the long turns the tracks have. Most times, you'll bounce off of the railing and get a turn and speed boost, if you don't spin out.
Plus, the price for speed is outstanding. One of the cheaper quality cars for sure. It's only a tad bit more expensive than an Adder, and it's tons faster than something double that price.
Ran on your videos while finding out which is the fastest super car in the game, I am not bashing anyone else but I am very glad that I found someone that does proper testing, not only drag races. And I totally agree with everything you said. Congratz for a new sub lel, keep it up!
Yes because you can totally use your WILLPOWER to make a car handle better...*facepalm at datsaintsfan*. A car's handling stat is literally CODED into the game, in the same way that cars in real life have LIMITS to their handling. You can't just "know the car better" and it will magically outhandle all the other cars. Not that knowing it better doesn't do anything, but at the end of the day, it won't push beyond the set limits.
i had follow many youtubers opinions and ill failed, but with yours i've got many good cars, thanks keep going like that☺
woah you have to brake before you turn a corner? oh wow. i didnt know that...
You don't really. Full speed into other players, simple.
Using the wall on the outside edge of the corner to help you turn is better anyway. Wall boost FTW.
+MMMbop Lol that's how I race in forza, kinda ironic that I race carefully on gta but not forza xD
The other drivers are clearly there for you to stop yourself on, what else is the point of them being there? :D Kappa
I found your comment amusing. haha
I think you should get lots of subscribers, I subscribed year or two ago and I enjoy your contents and I really don't see anything bad with this channel or the content
Well thanks I appreciate that :)
I got it already. It's like a carbonizzare on steroids
I love this concept of testing this car in two different types of tracks, i wish that other cars are going to be test this way two, like showing what class of tracks the cars can shine most in or if they wont shine in any kind of track.
I really hope the Seven-70 will be on the pace of a massacro and jester. Grotti Bestia is pure garbage for racing...
Would love to see an updated "Top 25 fastest cars for racing". Great video keep it up!
You Can Tell By What His Airport Race Shows..Its Literally Struggling To Work The Corners
It's so obvious that you care about your viewers broughy, videos like this help more than you think. I would consider myself better than the average racer and I can't tell you how much your advice has helped me. Keep it up man, I look forward to your insight
Well thanks man I appreciate those kind words, and I'm glad I've been able to help!
Wow, the first youtube video where everyone in the comments is actually discussing whats happening in the video :')
thanks for these videos, I really appreciate them when new cars come out so I can save my money on them.
You're welcome! Glad to help :)
it is mostly but not entirely up to skill. i win all the time with the 811 in public races against the suposedly better re7b but again i play all kinds of racing games so someone with less experience would be better off with better traction
Yep of course. But then again most people who can't drive are in public races. Take your 811 against an RE-7B driven by someone who knows what they're doing and you'll be left behind easily.
I think you proved this best in one of the first videos I ever watched of yours. You went up against a random with a slow car and won by a mile. I forget the video but that's just a roll of the dice. Go against someone equally skilled and you would have been dusted.
you explained very well, I knew how it worked, but I could never put it in words :D
Yeah it's difficult to explain haha, cheers!
I would buy it, if it didnt have that ugly spoiler.
ikr. As if it needed that pushchair handle to go faster.
+HiddenSaint27 right!!!
I like the spoiler
At least people wont be allowed to put a bench on it.
Just bought it. It is awesome
Great video broughy, especially for people who are interested in learning how to race properly. I like how the video went beyond the scope of should I buy the 811, explaining the cars strengths and weaknesses and what causes them. I've learned about 90 percent my racing techniques from you lol. On a side note I do enjoy this car for freeroam events, time trials, fastest speed events, etc.
Cheers man, I appreciate that!
Thx broughy for explaining this. I got into a discussion on datsaintsfan his video. They annoy me harcore.
Love the videos man, thank you for all the hard work. It has helped me a lot!!!
The car at 3:22 :D
Jan Willem Post Hacks lol
Nyum
I find that it is easier to go around a corner with a car with higher traction too because, like you said, you can push the car more than others.
Ofc you can take corners at 100mph you silly, all you have to do is drift!! I win races all the time like that
I hope you're being sarcastic.
I wanted to reply sarcastically, but knowing the YT comment section.... Yes, Im being 100% sarcastic :P
Okay. I asked that because I've met people who would be literal when they say that.
+MinigunGaming Guille Viper is not an idiot ;)
Id like to see that. Hoche350 add me and show cause i dont believe it
i bought it just because im an absolute porsche fanboy
and ive gotta say, i really love how the cars feels while driving, by far my favourite for simple freeroam driving
Should you buy the pfister 811...who cares I'm rich
What if you have filled garages and don't want to get rid of any of your other cars?
If it's going to be useless in the races you do, then no.
+TIMMMAY67 you don't do races when your rich
+Matthew Wang I just put it over some shit car that I don't drive
YoungClickClack I have 30 million dollars and I race because it's fun... Racing is where I get all my money and I don't try to make money, I just enjoy it.
I'm one of the few people that feel comfortable with his car. I tired it stock in a regular race, and it went fairly well. It was a solo race, trying to find some cheeky lines, but I noticed how much smoother I had to take the turns. And by smoother, I mean, it was normal levels of smooth, because I smoothly throw my car around corners.
It's good for free roam. Not bad in stunt races, and depending on the settings, track, and skill/style of the driver, it can hold it's own in an average race. The stability is better than I would expect though.
Look at me, getting information on cars that came out a year ago, and I'm only now saving up for.
Ive never really looked at gta as a serious racing game until i found your channel.
great vid...thanks for letting people know this is a community that has taken 3yrs to build. thanks to you and shaggy..
+Broughy1322 thanks for the reply..your channel is growing because you put in the work...most gta5 youtubers are still ranked 100 after 3yrs of crappy gameplay..I've been with you since Yeah vs NODO..keep it up..
Thank you, Boughy! You explained traction to me!
Then the whole video was worthwhile :D You're welcome!
Thanks for the explanation! Even though I knew (probably thanks to another video of yours :p) that more traction = ability to keep more speed in corners, your wording makes it quite a bit clearer.
Happy to help
Happy to help :)
I have been watching your videos for a while now. The way you break down everything is amazing. You put so much detail into your video that my head nearly pops from all of it. Also I was wonder how I could possibly join into the racing that you on GTA V. I'm a big time racer and I'm willing to learn more about it
Thanks man I appreciate that! I try my best :) Get involved here: bit.ly/BroughysCrew
I bought one of those, And I've been looking for some information on it. Thanks for telling me about it!
The Gran Turismo Series Licence Tests helped break me out of the "Arcade Mode" racing mentality. Your racing tutorials naturally mirror many of the principles or cornering, breaking, acceleration etc. since, much like the Gran Turismo series, you are influenced by real life racing. I seriously can't wait until it hits the PS4.
I cut my teeth on Gran Turismo too :D
Damn dude you're at 70k. I've been here since like 8k subs. Keep that shit up dude you'll be at 100 in no time
Cheers! :)
thanks Broughy for letting me understand traction a bit more cheers
I could be wrong but I think they hotfixed the suspension glitch on the 811. Thanks Broughy, totally agree, there's a limit to the capabilities of every car. Sidenote: if you hover the tire lines over where they're to be placed and switch the rotation type it'll slightly sink the object into the ground. Tire lines are meant to outline the racing grounds, not screw someone over if they brush against them, sinking them will give a little forgiveness.
I'm not sure if this was Rockstar's intention, but it feels like they're giving us two cars in each class that dominates different situations. Proper track, use your X80, Elegy/Massacre/Racing Jester, Stirling GT, Zion. Speed track, use your 811, Schafer V12, Z-Type, Windsor (?).
I think its been going this way for a while, maybe all the way back to the Stirling, but definitely since the Banshee 900r and the V12. it feels like more and more, you really do need two different cars in many classes, and then you just have to pick the right car for the right race.
On a side note, I've been crushing people in Dipping In with my 811, which may be a bit if a surprise to a lot of people.
I have an Osiris for proper racing, it's the best supercar in my opinion because of it's perfect balance between traction and acceleration. And it feels so smooth, i love it!
Yeah it's a good one for sure :)
I love your videos, I have been watching them all night. I appreciate a guy who knows what he is talking about and who can tell us proper ways to improve racing. Personally I dislike racing in GTA V mainly because people can sabotage you but it is, however a good game to learn car handling at fast speeds. I am a fan of the Pfister but it's not my favorite car in the game. That title for me belongs to the Cheetah, it has very nice speed for someone who is starting out on controlling his or her car at faster speeds. The traction for going around corners is very nice and gives you a chance to get around the corner. Braking if upgraded is decent for a car like that, but not the best. Finally, the acceleration is great on the Cheetah and gets you to the top speed nicely. That's why I personally love the Cheetah.
ya broughy i left a link to your channel a few weeks back in datsaintsfans comments glad to help ur channel grow.
Also very nice video really learned a lot of about how traction really works.
good video, ive been here since 30k
good video, you are great at explaining these things!
Cheers!
Thank you Broughy, people are so ignorant to racing sometimes.
hey broughy, sorry to make a second post but I have a slight suggestion for the updated testing videos that you will do.
1) I think it might be an okay idea to put whether the car is rear wheel drive, AWD etc in the video itself on the showcase for every car, maybe under the laptime in a small text, or wherever else you can fit it. I know it's in the spreadsheet but, may be better to have it on the video itself, I know for some of the vehicles you talked about this aspect so it would weed out that part :)
2) personally the only issue I had with some of the earlier videos was that sometimes there was commentary during the testing that was not directly related to the vehicles. for example in the offroad video there was extendend talk about why you chose not to test them on an off-road track, but there were other examples. don't get me wrong, I am perfectly fine with the commentary, however I think it resulted in a few of the vehicles being acknowledged by only a few words. I believe it would be best if such commentary/explanations were kept but instead put either at the beginning or at the end of the video, rather than during the showcase of the vehicles itself. just me though.
cheers and keep up the good work.
72 000 subs as im watching right now ! :D congrats
Thanks!
I always own two cars of each class: one for top speed, and one for racing (when the two aren't the same car). I almost always do random races, and top speed races are rather popular, so I can pick my custom 811 or Schafter V12 of Z-Type, or whatever, and choose the X80, Elegy or Sterling GT in any other, more regular race.
One of your best.
And the other day I got invited to NoDo XB1. lmao.
Nice video...thx...you explained it perfectly :) well done! :D
Cheers! Happy to help :)
Very interesting stuff. Liked the video.
Cheers!
***** hey you think i can join your racing thing? ive been watching your video for 3 yrs and l like your video and i do love racing too.
Mad Rapper Live Gaming Get involved: bit.ly/BroughysCrew
***** thanks. I'll look into it and if I have any questions I'll let you know.
great video as always
my 1998 gran turismo 1 instuction manual taught me everything I need to know
Great video B!
As someone who doesn't race, at all, but enjoys driving around the hills and driving through the city, I sort of understand the need for traction and it's pretty much the reason I'm subscribed here. If you throw it around the track and it's absolutely useless, then I know that for my usage of a vehicle, it'll be absolutely useless :P
Glad I've been able to help:)
Actual 811 review starts at 10:38
Have you ever considered making a traction/cornering set of videos and doing lap times based on it? I would be interested in seeing where cars line up in that set.
I talked about that in the previous episode of this series
Broughy with another great video. I hated the 811 and you proved me right to my friends. But in your car list thingy, (forgot its name) the one with the track times and handling files, the XLS' are missing. Would u please add them too ? Thank you.
+Klinger Pilot they're there, everything just hasn't been fully formatted yes
+Broughy1322 thx man keep up the good work
Good deal man got it !!! Had to get orange haha .. I'll be rocking it in Pittsburgh Pa 🏁
+fishstraps
Much love brother !! 🏁🏁
A little suggestion Broughy;
Can you put shortly in the title things you are going to talk about in the video? When I clicked the video, I didn't expect a long lesson. It was very interesting, but It wasn't what I was waiting for by the title of the video. You should tell in the title about it so if someone is interested about that lesson they know what video to watch. Somebody might completely miss this because he isn't interested about 811.
Or you can make two separate videos and get more of that TH-cam dolla dolla :)
That is why I subbed you because my 2 favourite youtubers talking about you also gysmy and that's why you got lots of subs
"Should You Buy The Pfister 811?" - Yes. There you go....could have saved you some time B ;)
He doesn't recommend it when you're going to use it in a (serious) racing situation.
+Richard Groenendijk Most people will just do drag races or highway races anyways.
Watch from 11:05
MinigunGaming That may be true, but this is a racing channel and most of the people regularly watching his channel and watching his streams are racing oriented. Therefore it makes sense that he doesn't recommend this vehicle (to us), but only to those that do highway races only (or as freeroam car, but you'd be better of with Zentorno in that case).
I know.Richard Groenendijk
Bought it 2 days ago. Saw the rear end, instantly sold it.
@Broughy1322 good vids Broughy i think you explain it perfectly - about cornering. I bought the 811 after watching a few other pro 811 vids and after some time i did improve my handling of the vehicle and i can win a few races even at level 70- say the new Plummet II- but when it comes down to person vs person in real race time experience you just cannot adjust the handling "faster" if you are a better driver.. there are certain physical limits vs time it takes to brake and accelerate - poor traction is poor traction- STILL i love this car! especially sprinting around the city - in the long term, if you are racing across the entire map on the straightest highways - the Pfister 811 is a dream! i have a love hate relationship with all the super cars thanks for all your work - it really helps understand what vehicles i personally like and why!
*Question: Doesn't Terrain also affect your traction? I know that's kind of an obvious thing to ask, but as an example given by how the game's physics works drifting around a corner on asphalt, grass, sand, and especially dirt will not be the same, or will it?*
*I would expect it wouldn't. But given the classes of vehicles we have, doesn't it change the scenario then?*
*For example: Off-Road Vehicles tend to be much slower on rougher terrain, but they're traction is higher on sand or grass than on the street.*
This will help: th-cam.com/video/99dbrrVl2ms/w-d-xo.html
I think a perfect example of the point the video made (and I haven't finished watching the video yet but I think it should've been linked) was the slow sports showdown, the duel between the super gt (high top speed) and khamelion (high acceleration and better cornering). that race showed perfectly how the cars were quicker or slower depending on the section of the track, and ultimately how this stuff can prove to be an advantage or a disadvantage.
also another thing that I should note and that some people seem to have forgotten, is that broughy's testing videos are very old now and were started at a point where most people didn't even play custom races like these two but played mainly rockstar's city races which are highly dependant on traction - cutting coroners is kind of a perfect example of a track similar to those, and that is what the testing mostly refers to. obviously the values are going to be different on a track like the blaine county one where top speed matters way more. ultimately, the idea here is to give people a recap and see if the car suits their driving style or the choice of track - broughy himself has still recommended many types to just enter a random race and select a stock vehicle before you buy it to see if you like the way that it drives. ultimately it's meant to be a guide, every racer beyond that decides for himself what he looks for in a car. the guide is meant to help people get their own opinion rather than flat out telling them "this is the car you should buy" (except in extreme cases where rockstar fucked up the balance obviously).
Yep I'd agree with that. Slow sports showdown was amazing. Link for anyone who happens to come across this: th-cam.com/video/ETuBzaH_LRQ/w-d-xo.html
I think it's a shame we don't see more to different types of Faggio's(scooters) - tuning them and doing races with them - would be so much fun.
Yes and I love it. nice challenge and effing quick
I keep thinking i'm accidentally rewinding the video but Broughy just says the same thing 5 times in a row.