Full Frame Fujifilm Alternative
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- The Nikon Zf is Nikon's answer to the popular Fujifilm range of mirrorless cameras. But, instead of an APS-C sized sensor, this new Zf packs in a 24.5mp full frame chip. So, should Fujifilm be worried and is there more to this Nikon Zf than just its retro charm?
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You completely missed the fact that this camera has some wonderful tricks up it's sleeve when it comes to shooting manual focus lenses..which imo is something it pairs much nicer with.
Completely agree! I shoot mine with LTM lenses and they work great and look good doing it with the right adapter. The voigtlander close focus adapter for m to e mount with an adapter to Z mount. Call me crazy but the smaller e mount adapter looks better then any big Z mount one. Plus you get close focus with the rangefinder lenses.
Also agree. I picked up the Voigtlander APO Lanthar 50mm f/2 for Z mount, and it is a great fit with the Zf. I have a lot of AIS f/mount glass and the MF assist features with these lenses are a revelation unmatched by any other manufacturer. The 28mm and 40mm Nikon AF lenses may not have the build quality you need, but they are very affordable and their image quality is great.
Also agree! And on top of that you missed that the screen turns into a touchpad when using the EVF. The screen is turned off but you can use your right thumb on the screen like you would on a joystick to move your focus area.
As a Nikon a Fuji fanboy this camera is a must have for me
"Really great camera and a good shot at Fuji who feels way too confident in their retro niche. :D The tilty flippy screen even makes sense since you can flip it around so the display is inside and you only have the fake leather back like on a film camera. The problem, as you nicely put it, is the lens. It should have been completely metal, and having an aperture ring would definitely be desirable. And who wants plastic mounts nowadays anyway??"
The strongest point of this camera is the best IBIS on the market right now. You can use 1 second shutter speed handheld. I bought this camera just for IBIS
I have a theory that the features were originally meant for a Z6iii. But some marketing guy saw how successful the Fuji X100V was and Nikon decided to make retro camera with the internals of what was already developed for a Z6iii. This includes the video features and flippy screen which I feel was an improvement on the Df. At the price it is selling for I would be expecting those features.
Very happy with the Zf paired with my four Voigtlander E mount MF lenses (21, 35 Apo, 50 Apo, 110 Apo) and (most) Sony mount lenses thanks to the Megadap adapter. I do wish the Zf had the Z7II's 45mp sensor, though.
Hope Z6 with those lenses will be same as zf, if we are going manual only.
Beautiful camera the Zf. The flip out screen is genius. Just flip it over and never use the back screen anymore. Exactly like a film camera. And just use the Viewfinder all the way!
Also great for self portraits!
not fan of how it flips, I do stills only
This and the Z8 are some of the best cameras I’ve used to date. Obviously the camera that fits you personally is what tool you will use to get the job done but Nikon really did well with this one.
Fortunately I was able to get a refurbed zf at the Nikon store for $1500 is why I bought it. Picked up the 40 2.0 for a little over $100, also a refurb. Otherwise probably would have passed.
Two months ago I picked up a Nikon z 135 mm 1.8 s Plena for $1300, it was an open box display! So now it’s paired with my ZF. I really like this combo I also have the smallrig grip
Missing aperture ring on lens is the biggest miss given aperture priority is the most common mode people choose
Just use old lenses that feature an aperture ring
I'm very glad Nikon decided to add the micro sd card slot to this camera. I have a 1 TB micro sd in my ZF. It is used to backup my photos and I can record 4k 30fps for almost 2 hours with no issues. I have recorded at 4k 60 fps to the micro sd card, but I have not recorded more than 10 minutes in this mode. It does not mean it cannot record longer, I have not tested longer at 60fps.
My grandad has the previous "Nikon DF" and it's a lovely camera its only 14MP and had no video which is more than enough for beginner photographers but the sensor produces some beautiful colours and its really solid it's a great camera for its time and probably the most underrated camera ever
I am still waiting for retro-inspired GFX. Hope this becomes their nudge. =)
Fujifilm has their dedicated community and their strategy of APS-C and GFX is working well for them. And unless kids on TikTok start trashing Fujifilm up and trashing them in favor of Nikon then Nikon has an uphill battle.
The core advantage Fujifilm has is that they have put retro styling and handling in the forefront of the design process straight from the beginning, and the ease of handling just demonstrates that focus. As a company with no existing camera mounts when they started there was no tech debt to work with unlike Nikon, Canon or Sony, and their laser focus on only APS-C for their X-mount helped keep costs down during a time when full frame sensors were reserved for only the top of the top camera bodies.
You completely missed out - that there are simply *NO* AI-S or AF-D styled Nikkor lenses, *with* aperture ring, matching the Zf design! Nikon does have the Zfc, Zf...but no matching lenses - besides the 40/2 SE! And i am shooting Nikon since the FM...go figure. Love my Fujifilm gear. 23/1.4 R still kicks ass.
There's also a special edition 28mm in this style, but your point absolutely still stands! Couldn't agree more.
@@TomCalton That's why i'd use the NoNikkor 35/1.4 prime onto the Zf, *if* i'd own one. The Artralab 35/1.4 renders better than the old 35/1.4 Ai-S, whileas coming into SC & MC editions, and Ai-S/AF-D lens designs - with aperture rings, albeit manual focus only.
I said that elsewhere often, if Nikon would have released some 5 prime lenses from 20 to 85, or 135mm....into the same design, it'll sell like hotcakes, even way better than currently - with matching lenses.
As an avid Df user it's nice to see something like the Zf, although I probably won't buy one I would definitely love to test it out.
With reference to Fujifilm, I wonder if producing a rangefinder style camera to compete with the X-Pro and X100 series of cameras would have taken some sales away from Fujifilm, especially with the wait on the X100V and X100VI.
I would say yes but it needs to have more megapixels so you can take it out with one lens only and crop later if needed. It’s a lot harder to do that when you only have 24mp to work with.
Totally agreed with many of your aspect, such as no joystick for autofocus area and a flippy screen. As a Fuji X-T user, I'm quite get use to the dial system, actually I even love it. I would use this camera exclusive only with manual lens (as I do with my X-T3 with Speed Booster adapter). But the price of Zf (actually over all full frame camera, except Canon RP) stop me to move to full frame territory.
fuji cameras and lens are in the full frame price range. zf has pretty nice price imo. what i don't like about zf is the weight, no joystick and lack of smaller lens. I will stick to fuji for the "retro" style experience for now... but the newer fuji lens are bigger and bigger.
If Nikon were to lean harder into the vintage aspects of this camera and somehow were able to licence the Kodak name for film sims, they would really start eating away at Fuji’s niche. Hell, if they were to add the ability to add custom luts in camera and save more picture profiles, it would elevate this camera into the stratosphere.
I’m a Fuji shooter myself, but the low-light performance and manual focus tracking assist are tempting me to switch. I would like a full-frame camera for my professional work and it’s tempting me further.
Für mich ist die ZF die erste Nikon die in einem vernünftigem Preis und Formfaktor eine echte Hybrid Kamera ist. Sie kann alles sehr gut, Fotos, Videos und Bedienung. Sie verbindet dabei zusätzlich noch den Wunsch nach Vintage mit neuster Technik und vor allem tollem Autofocus. Sie macht einfach Spaß und passt besser zu einer Städtereise als eine Z8 und macht mehr Spaß in der Bedienung als eine Z9. Der ausklappbare Monitor hat mich dann endgültig zum Kauf bewogen. Für Studioarbeit oder reine Fotografie benutze ich meine Z7ii, für Fototrips mit hohem Spaßanteil und wenig Gepäck kommt die ZF in die kleine Tasche, für Videos für TH-cam und ähnliches bleibt es dann aber bei der Panasonic S5ii. Mit dem Blendenring gebe ich dir aber recht, das fehlt noch zu einer richtigen Retro Kamera.
i have the Zfc and i love it!
I can't wait for them to bring out a retro version of the Nikon F3!
Fuji is still in a very comfortable position. I must say, the Zf is sexy, but apart from the 40mm any lenses fit the retro vibe (except third-party and adapted manual lenses).
I won't switch the system, I really like that there is a ton of compact and lightweight lenses for Fuji, some with an unique look (the old 35mm 1.4 for example).
Nonetheless, the days are unfortunately over when Fuji dropped new features to older models.
However, a field where Fuji still shines is their JPEG engine. Sure, other manufacturers also have okayish color profiles and I still remember the times when Canon shooters built and shared their own color profiles with the picture style editor, but nothing beats the Fuji Film Simulation. Most images come out of cam how I like them. I really love the Astia profile for everyday family and friends photos where I don't want to invest a lot of time into editing. And the Velvia profile is great for golden and blue hour, the colors are just perfect in my opinion. And the Acros profile is one of the most accurate to B/W I know (except developed with Silver Efex). The classic negative mages me nostalgic as most of my childhood pictures where shot on consumer fujifilm film.
"when looking at this camera from the top down, I think it has to be one of the cleanest and most esthetically pleasing layouts on a camera that I've ever used" - well, Fuji has been using this layout for years on their X-T3/4/5 - Nikon is just trying to copy that. However I never understood the need for a dedicated ISO dial, even not a speed dial. One of the achievements of digital cameras is the Auto ISO with minimal shutter speed where the camera sets the ISO (according to minimal shutter speed) as low as possible much faster than any human can react.
Sony shooter, but I'm super interested in this as a walkaround.
this thing is as big as a7 4. you can also get 40mm f2.5 from sony..
Does Fujifilm need to watch its back? No, not unless Nikon releases a slew of small, affordable high-quality lenses. It’s not enough to have a retro body, and not everyone wants to adapt MF lenses or rely on 3rd-party AF lenses.
Hey! Just wanted to know if you have thoughts or think about reviewing the Samsung nx500
It’s like a budget camera that shoots 28 megapixels and I don’t understand the catch, so if you have thoughts or plans for a video that would be cool!
Yes please!
I love the looks of the camera, I don't mind the flippy tilty screen. But the one thing that gets me, is the lenses! Or should I say the size of the lenses. Look at the Z mount range and they are huge! Even the 50mm F1.8. Sure it is for optical perfection(or as close as Nikon can get) but they just look - wrong on the Zf. If Leica can produce small wonderful lenses for their M cameras and have done for years, Pentax (my current go-to system) have the Limiteds and FA Primes that are small, a tad flawed, but wonderful, why can't Nikon? This is where Fuji have the edge. The bodies are modern yet retro, and are partnered with some small excellent lenses. If Nikon could bring out some dedicated small lenses for FF (like the D and G series of lenses for DSLR) for the FF Zf, then they would have the target market t themselves. As it is the Fuji one is the better overall option. It is not just the beautiful body, it is the lens system to match.
Fujifilm has a vast ecosystem of aperture ring lenses to match their retro camera designs. Nikon Zf body looks great, and I'm sure a great performer... but it will appear a bit odd with most Nikon lenses... in addition to a big bag of matching, relatively inexpensive lenses, I love the aperture ring action giving a full physical dial manual mode experience on my Fujifilm X-T5
I would have considered this camera but for that screen..flip out not for me 3 way tilt is the way to go for photography and no I don’t shoot video
All your end critiques would apply exactly the same as Fuji cameras. I think it's impractical to have "vintage" or old school lack of features in the rear bc I am sure Nikon wants people to actually use the camera
3:57 Nikon pulled off a haram move 😂
FE/FE2 not FM2... I know I know, that is what the marketing and TH-camrs say but anyone who has owned and used the old FE/FM cameras can tell you the same. The Zfc resembles the FM2 more than the Zf, it's all in the prism name plate shapes.
Got one since yesterday! Can't wait to adapt my sony 40mm g lens with aputure ring for the retro consistency
I'd love to know your experience with that. I'm looking at the same setup.
@@DarrylUK so far no luck. It seems my adapter is faulty. I try to udate the firmware but on techarts site their is no longer a working link to firmware for this adapter
Positive point: the 40mm g on the zf looks beautiful! Now I just need to get it to work :D
Please tell us how well that combo works 😉
@@_rhapsodist i had a defective copy and recieved a new one today. The 40mm worked but the aputure ring didnt . Also I couldn’t change it through the camera. Its stuck to 2.5 in all modes! I updated firmware but no luck so far.
@@_rhapsodist did some more testing, with the latest firmware on lens+camera+adapter i cant change the aparature on the 40mm, its stuck at 2.5. My other sony lense work fine with aparature!
very good session. Thank you
I waited years for something like this from Nikon but have now switched to Fuji and a selection of F1.4 lenses. I made a loss switching so not keen to switch again. A shame as I really like 50mm compression with a wider field of view FF offers. If I was buying now, this camera and a couple of F2.8 / F2 pancake primes would be my first choice but I am where I am.
Excellent camera, specs and build quality. But Nikon wasted an opportunity here by adding a subpar lens. Yes optically it's great but it should have also the same build quality with the body. I just hope they would release better lens for this niche camera.
I assume Nikon will build out their smaller lens lineup in future. I have the 40mm and 28mm. I’m really hoping for fully weather sealed versions of those in the future. I have other S Line prime and zoom lenses but for street photography weather sealing and size would be big bonuses on my ZF.
Tried this camera out and I feel the same. The output is great but the design is confusing. Also the weight to grip ratio is atrocious!
Heaven forbid adding the $50 grip.
Nikon cameras 📷 are usually good finish and material.. but too BIG & HEAVY
What I want is Canon’s interpretation of this RF type cameras
Love Nikon. But not worth dumping my Fuji system for it.......just yet :)
The Nikon Zf looks so nice, but the lense sizes really put me off and I still went with Fuji after some deliberations.
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I definately waiting for a next gen of ZF and a next gen prime lenses where we will be able to feel that premium build where the lens is made of metal or at least high end plastic, with metal mount, with nice and snappy aperture ring like Nikon AI/AIS lenses had. I really hope that Nikon will fix ISO dial and will coppy till smallest details Fujifilm camera functionality. Nobody needs modes if you can just set A on aperture, speed or one of the settings. So I really hope for improvements.
Speaking as a Nikon DF owner, this camera would have been perfect for me if not the Flip out screen. A tilting screen or an hybrid system like the Sony A7RV would have been perfect.
No silver version too, which is a shame in my humble opinion.
This camera is fantastic
Yes! What is next - and when is next?
The camera is nice, but it's too big. I held it at Samy's camera. love the way it looks, love the micro SD as a backup, love the colors, but not liking the size and if they put in like Sony a 33mp sensor, I'm acturally sold. provided it has to be smaller. there's also no grip on the camera.
cant lie, I'm torn between this and the XH2. also I've seen amazing photos taken with the new 40mm lens.
A deep grip will make zf feel less heavy.
The 2 ring for the top view are not balance, either they all inset in to evf of all not inset.
Honestly not really a fan of the mode dial. I much prefer the Fujifilm style of having an auto position at the dials which you can rotate out of if you need to set a manual setting. Maybe if Nikon released this camera way earlier when I was moving out of the Nikon F-DX system for something lighter I might have considered it, but now that I have a Fujifilm X-T2 (later going to be the X-T5 once I arrive in Japan next week) and have built an array of lens around it switching to the Nikon Zf is going to be too much cost to bear.
The overall body design looks great, but the top dials and buttons are unbalanced.
Going strong with XT3. Waiting for XT6😊
XT3 here too. I wish fuji will make more smaller lens. the recent releases are dslr like big lens... they should remake old 35 .4... that is all i need... ok maybe a 16mm f2 or 18mm f2.
Not really, that Nikon already surpass everything they got and looks nicer that anything they have.
This is good competition for anyone who doesn't want the weight advantages of a smaller camera body and lens. Albeit the 40mm is pretty leightweight, the Zf weighs around 700g. The X-H2 weighs 200g less
660g (battery and card) on the X-H2, 712g (battery and card) on the Zf. Interesting how an actual 52g difference became 200g in your post. Exaggerating does not make something true. Yeah, I weighed my X-H2. The Zf with needed grip weighs 809g (Neewar grip). The addition of the 50 f1.8 isn't a lot more than the X-H2 with the XF 33. The ZF is generally heavier, but lets not confuse reality.
@@bigd7696 sorry I meant the x-s20. Got mixed up on the product names
Ahh, makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
Personally I don't think Nikon released this body to compete in anyway with Fuji. It was a popular demand and they listened. Their focus is to compete with Sony and Canon. Hence their acquisition of RED. For me though, this body was not a pass. It's the ultimate street photography camera and a great upgrade from the Z6 ii that I had before. I'll be holding off on the Z7 III as that'll probably be my 'pro' body once that's announced.
how is such a massive camera the "ultimate" street photography camera.....
@@hbsupermage I had the Z6 ii and now this one, there's nothing massive about it. I don't know where you're getting that from.
I would buy a "ZfH" with a 47mp sensor if it came out. For the time being i will stick to my D750.
IF Nikon had brought this (or even the Fc) to market in 2014, instead of clinging stubbornly to their 1" sensor "Nikon 1" line as their 'mirrorless' offering trying to wait out the 'mirrorless fad', I'd still likely be a Nikonian and proud NPS card holder instead of deeply invested in Fuji for my fun and income. As is, it looks a wonderful camera (especially if you can use legacy AI'd Fmount lenses) but they are a decade too late to get me to move back.
My story went the other direction. I actually used the Nikon 1 for a few years. Come full circle and I can mount now my Ais lenses on the Zf, especially the 105mm F2.5. The previous Df was a Frankenstein though.
Cool camera Tom but I agree rubbish lens and not keen on the screen , great video 😊👍🏻
it needs a joystick and a few smaller lens. it will be great if it is lighter.
Maybe if Nikon rolled out a dozen or so lenses that match the body but otherwise no.
The ZF is awesome.
Where does TH-cam get off with all these ads
Is this more like co-op with Fuji. I remember that so e time Japan officials called upon fuji to help Nikon or so..
X pro 4 nikon version
Ordinarily I'd say no, but Fujifilm haven't made a camera smaller than full frame since the X-E4 so the benefits of their niche are dwindling. Especially since you can't find an X-E4 or X100 in stock usually.
If they can come back with a camera smaller than the Sony a7CII or the Canon R8, I'll give them the crown still. 😂
Fujifilm has totally blown it by not having a full frame camera. The GFX is too bulky, clunky, sluggish and expensive (I’ve been there). There’s a sizeable chunk of users that would go for full frame if Fujifilm offered it, and the Nikon Zf will skim a lots of those photographers who would otherwise buy Fujifilm.
And whats more - i do prefer the FM(2) anytime over the Zf - because simply, it's 1) true 35mm film 2) it doesn't have a silly, cr@ppy looking display, which looks just put out of a 90's Sony Hi8 camcorder. The flat display onto the X100V/VI is worlds better, than this ugly hinge onto the left side on the Zf, it does look bad, for real. And i own many Nikon DSLRs, also 35mm SLRs, incl. F80, F100. Sigmas i series of lenses (all metal build, aperture rings) would look cool onto the Zf, for instance the 35/F2, if Sigma would bring this to Z-Mount.
If this existed a year or so ago, I might've been shooting Nikon
i really think the biggest problem with this is the existence of the PSAM lever. i find it a lot less intuitive to use, especially compared to fuji cameras which has an auto in each of the dials (iso, shutter, aperture (ring)). to me it really "breaks the illusion" as tom says
Finally, a camera that looks like a 50 year old film camera. It’s about time, Nikon! 😂
Nikon: make this camera with an F-mount, mf only.
At least Fuji cameras have generally great ergo and customization... not this one.
Yeah! The Zf has cool features for adapting vintage lenses, but if you do that the aperture screen just doesn't do anything? Major oversight.
This was a much better attempt than the zfc, but it's still not their best. The screen tilting joint is so massive and it really takes away from the styling. And if you adapt lenses that little aperture window becomes useless? They should make it programmable. The worst thing about it is the lack of any grip, even fuji cameras have something to hold onto!
I'm sure the next Zf will be much better and I'm excited for that.
Fuji I think had better be careful, because while their X-T series (like the Xt4 and Xt5 for example) are excellent cameras, they are approaching NIkon's Zf price point, but Nikon still I think leads in terms of video and AF compared to the X-T series and with some rather affordable lenses from NIkon (like the pancakes), YES I think Fuji does need to be careful, but their safety net I think is the GF line and their excellent X-mount lenses (OEM ones). So they are probably fine for now, but I'd say if Canon does release a retro digital version of the AE-1 then Fuji may need to start paying attention. I mean NIkon had the Df which was a retro styled SLR as well (but a DSLR version) and Fuji was just fine. But any manufacturer should really be watching the competition even if it's not direct competitors (for example, Nikon keeping track of Fuji's MF line, even though none of the big three make MF cameras, because it is still an indirect competitor to FF, and since Fuji has been making progress in making medium format cheaper, it becomes more of a threat to FF and APSC).
If you know how to set up Nikon's Z cameras, you will never need a joystick, which is why Nikon has removed it.
If the ZF had film simulations it could have been the perfect camera. But it doesnt.
it has. its called nikon picture control
Du kannst eigene Filmsimulationen über ein Nikon Programm erstellen oder fertige über eine entsprechende Seite herunterladen. Nur weil die internen picture controls nicht nach alten Filmen benannt sind heißt das nicht das sie nicht ähnlich aussehen können.
@@bratspinat Those are totally lame.
Tested them for years.
They do not bond as the Fujifilm ones does. They look pretty phony. And its because they are made by users, Fujifilm ones are made by the same manufactured who actually knows their collection of film stocks perfectly.
@@CarlosPlazola there are plenty of film simulations for fuji made by users 🤷
@@bratspinat Yes but they are based in the actual Fujifilm out of fabric from them.
Nikon does not have that.
genuine question, why does your footage look so over sharpened?
just I hate this f*cking flip screen, I personally the screen on Z6 or Z7 camera
Damn, that dials sounds terrible, sorry nikon fans :(
Why would that bother Nikon fans?
Urghh, what’s that, brother?
Yuck… the cadence and style of every video here feels almost ai generated. There’s no depth or insight… it’s like filler for the ads…
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