WT || Why Should I Care - Admiral Graf Spee Kills 'em All
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ย. 2024
- Why would you want to play anything else but this ship? Why should I, as both a player and TH-camr, care about any other nations except the current dominator of WT NF RB?
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Napalmratte, never apologize for what you say because many people agree with you. Your criticism is needed and welcomed. You are a good WT player and you know what you are saying.
"The game is fun. If it's not fun, why bother?" Reggie Fils-Aimé, former head of Nintendo of America.
It's passive rant so it's ok!
If you notice carefully you can see the water around napalm's ship boiling as he talks lol
For anyone that's curious the most consistent way you'll be able to kill a Graf Spee is to aim for it's rear turret ammo rack. The front is way to armoured but the rear suffers the same weakness as the Admiral hipper/Prinz Eugen
Why am I a part of the community that doesn't play naval forces?
1) I couldn't care less about PT boats ; I don't want to play them, but the only way to go past is to pay up. PT boats vs DD/CL/CAs isn't the same as low tier tanks vs high tanks ; a tank is still a tank, a torpedo boat is nothing like a large cruised with big guns engaging at several km. I'm certain there are quite a few players that are equally put off by the perspective of playing tugboats, who would consider playing the gamemode if Tier I and II could simply be skipped.
2) The one nation that would make me pull through this aversion is not present, and not even announced (since Gaijin originally discarded it because, unlike Russia, it didn't have enough shitty PT boats).
3) No nation vs nation gameplay : that's a big part of the appeal of warthunder, to pit warring nations against each other ; what I don't want is for the same "meta" vehicle to be on either side because that's boring.
4) No Sim gamemode : it doesn't even have to be different from RB from the ship PoV, just make it event or EC based and lock aircraft into pilot view + full real controls.
5) Badly designed gamemode : from what I can tell from your videos, and comparing with other games (and a bit of historical knowledge), ships aren't survivable enough, and objectives aren't all varied, meaningful and possibly assymmetrical. What would be fantastic would be playing something like the "Academy" missions from Ultimate Admiral : Dreadnoughts (w. assymmetrical teams but also objectives). Just like top end jets, it also seems to me that cruisers should be less numerous per team in general, just to avoid what we could see at the beginning of your video : a clusterfuck of ship simply open for turkeyshooting.
Also, the fact that, unlike Wargaming, Gaijin has not been able to create an environment where DDs and CL/CAs coexist on the same battlefield with each his own contribution to make. (I personally put this down to excessive accuracy and lack of stealth for the smaller ships).
It's not like I don't care for the idea of naval forces. I enjoy watching your videos and all... but there's just those factors that make me go "nah" when I wonder if I should play.
You sir, just addressed some big problems with naval.
You mentioned a missing nation, which is it?
PT boats under the right conditions and a smart player can counter DDs and CLs.
@@Apollo_1641 Italy?
@@clevernamegotban1752 Honestly I've pulled it off 1 time. only 1. The chances of it to work are really low though. What do you do if his AI gunners are set to naval vessels.
On the silver lion front, The Portland has a 25K repair cost. It cannot fight off a Graf Spee. There was a dude in a Portland last week playing EC. He got killed at least 15 times. Soo..
Sakthi Priyadharshan Yeah, it’s ridiculous. Same was with Atlanta then she was just added. About 15K repair cost, unbelievable, but Gaijin reduced the cost eventually.
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There are reasons I have autprepair turned off. Get a vehicle blown up, play different vehicles while the repair costs go down.
I have the same problem... I've never been the alpha "predator" (tank, aircraft, ship), everytime im close to get the top vehicle there is always an update where it get useless... I main germany, tanks and aircrafts, ships too... Im unlocking the Emden right now and i bet to you all....
When im close unlocking the hipper.... America will get the first battleship or something like that
True, to think that at one point the Emden was king of naval forces. The powercreep don't surprise me but what is retarded is how the BR are compressed.
It was already hard for 4.7 DD to fight 5.0 CL, now imagine the new players just unlocking their 4.7 DD to face Graf Spee and Hippers.
I think the br compression comes from their worries about planes; gaining doesn't want post war planes and jets flying over and destroying the best naval ships of the war. There are some boats we have already that are post war, yes, but they are not at all in the majority
Don’t worry. There’ll be no battleships.
That Aged like wine
@@nickalex4235 Yeah lol... I was some days ago researching the nurnberg, but purchased the Eugen from the -50% store and i have to say... It's helping A LOT, right now im researching the hipper (already researched the graf), after Hipper, ill go for the Westfalen
First of all i just want to tell you that you are awesome. I really like watching your videos especially the ones where you rant about mistakes in the game because you do so in a logical and structured manner. Keep it up :)
I have to disagree with you on this one. The "why should I care" is a mentality that only people who have access to all the vehicles in the game can have. The reason why you should care is that whilst you where having the time of your life dominating the game everyone else was being one-shotted from across the map. Of course, this is not your fault (but Gaijin's balancing team's) but the "why should I care, I will use the OP vehicle of the moment and just move on to the next one" is exactly the mentality that fuels powercreep which only benefits either players of that nation or the few that have everything unlocked. Yes, the Graf Spee was designed for that, it was "designed to outgun anything it couldn't chase and run away from anything that it couldn't outgun" but, as Nicholas Moran once said, it was also good at "praying that the Hood wouldn't show up" and for that matter any battleship. Yet we don't have battelships in the game yet. Just as it would be unrealistic for the Graf Spee to engage Heavy and Light cruisers (something it does in game regularly) because they would be fast enough to run away, it would also be unrealistic for the Graf Spee to enter a fight against a Super-Dreadnought (something that doesn't happen in game, for the benefit of the Spee). So why can't we have the USS New Mexico in game? It would always spawn immediately in range of the Spee, one shot it out of the water and then dominate. In fact, they should add it, they shouldn't give a counter to any other nations, everyone else will cry, American players will have the time of their life and you can make another "why should I care video" because you were able to get your hands on it. See where I'm going?
Isn't that what I just said in the vid? Oo
"people who have access to all the vehicles"
Phly is the most guilty of this. so easy to show off new shiny toys, having fun etc. yeah because its not your RP, credits at stake. you have it all - you dont value it. many, many time I "suggested" he needs to go and have fun with standard account, to deal with the same shit as everyone without fancy pancy crews. or take the newly added vehicle full on stock with stock crew ... would it be boring? yeah ... source of hostility in playerbase
regular people would have fun, be less stressed, friendlier if they werent fucking punished for having bad teams. as in great performance in lose < less than mediocre in winning team
gaijoob throws OP products because they know some people dont care about spending money, and they dont have time to git gud - just to nail someone. I would say legal cheating. They dont care, money got them power and every vehicle in game
@@ImRandomDude... and what should this help? I know that he knows and without the access to the new toys no one would see vids on them as soon as desired
@@Napalmratte Is it? Because I only got the feeling of pessimistic resignation by your part. You were defending yourself a lot by saying that it's not your fault that Naval battles are in this state. Of course, it's absolutely not your fault, like I said, it's Gaijin's, only an idiot would give the fault to you and you shouldn't even have to defend yourself. I'm sorry that the developers have not been listening to you because I know that your general idea of what the game should be is way better than what it is, but you shouldn't give up, as I know you won't and you should care, as I know you do.
Ps. You should have also touched on the fact that the Germans are also the only nation with guided bombs (although both the UK and US had their own versions of the Fritz-X). Making the Graf Spee, Prinz Eugen and Admiral Hipper combo even more OP if you include the Fritz-X armed bombers.
Also, I unlocked the Portland yesterday, for sure it's a better ship than the Pespi and it's more competitive against the Germans, but it's still not enough imo.
@@ImRandomDude To be fair though, how many content creators are going around with free new vehicles and ruining the game? They need to have access to those new "toys" so they can review them before anyone goes to the effort of unlocking them. The real issue is the balancing of the vehicles themselves and the powercreep, not the players who have said vehicles.
After months of trying to tough it out, gaijin finally broke me. Another patch goes by with more heavy cruisers added and STILL no br decompression. I can no longer play non-American or German ships above 4.3 anymore. I can’t take it. It is impossible to effectively grind any cruiser at 5.0 and maintain sanity. I want the Mogami, but the Kuma’s literally can’t harm anything like the Hipper outside a lucky toro hit 5 minutes after it blows you out of the water. Combined with that the moronic situation with parts and fpe, and the fact that now one random HE hit to the tip of your bow instantly causes a massive 4 alarm fire across the entire ship, and stock grinding is even more unbearable than it ever has been. I can no longer grind cruisers until AT LEAST they fix the br’s.
You know a german likes you if he uses the "democracy per square whopper" measurement system
1:25
I see Napalm has found his inner "The Major."
Whole cruiser matchmaking should be rebuild. 5.0 should fight only 5.0, not lower and not higher. Same with 5.3 and 5.7. 5.7 must be separated into 5.7 and 6.0. All top dogs such as Spee, Hipper, Eugen, London, Mogami, Pensacola and Portland should be 6.0. And for cruisers only open water maps must be available. Leave the islands for lower BR’s. I understand that, if all such changes would be made, in the beginning waiting time will increase and numbers of players in 5.0 and 5.3 will decrease, but I think that it’s going to be only temporarily. When freshly grinded first stock 5.0 cruiser won’t be thrown as a piece of meet to Spee and other tops, probably there will be sense to research cruisers and play them, and naval player base will hopefully start to grow. Cause otherwise naval is gonna become PvE very soon. Sadly.
Gaijin finaly broke his will
my will is not broken but my patience, hoping for the mode to get better
The Helena will effectively drop the top German ships if;
You buy “Ace” and max out to crew 100... also, you need to keep approximately 15km distance to have appropriate time to dodge incoming fire (serpentine pattern). Lastly, don’t give a favourable angle! If a salvo drops to port, turn port as the enemy will correct to your starboard. If you need to turn 180, start turn, cut engines for 3 seconds, then back to flank speed.Like drifting a skyscraper. Aiming is like no other game, war thunder is painfully realistic and makes you correct for everything. Learn how much to lead targets based on your speed, angle and distance. Each type of gun is different and leads differently. For example; Brooklyn secondary is 5”/25 where as the Helena variant has 5”/38. The longer barrel changes the required amount of lead, it is slightly less but similar. At 6km it isn’t notable but it’s the difference of hitting or missing at 10km. Ammo choice matters as much as aim when dealing with German 5.7 ships. Quite simply, light them on fire then poke holes and repeat. Only switch ammo types after a reload or it takes twice as long. Keep in mind, when you switch ammo types, the guns are loaded with the round you are switching from. I usually load 1000 AP, 2000 HE and VT secondary.
The unbalance of the game kills it. What will you shoot at if nobody plays naval forces ? Bots ?
that is currently Naval combat in WT ^^
Napalmratte No, this is what WT cruiser combat is. Other BR’s are more or less playable.
Bots could be fine in a more historical setting.
2:09 Oh Napalm I got a good laugh out of this when I heard this. You saying that Adding British cruisers was the biggest joke for naval battle, then gaijin being gaijin adds the Trento and Italian navy to the game. Really gave me a good laugh :)
Gaigen listens. Submarines are coming next patch
Metal coffins.
Submarines will basically be the helicopters of ground battles I guarantee you.
@@jackallantern4138 I absolutely agree .but if gaigen thinks it can sell few premiums they will just throw it in .nuclear sub v hms Hawkins seems fair
Well, I guess Gaijin are not interested in growing naval player base at all. Or they somehow don’t see an elephant in the room.
I really enjoyed this video Napalmratte.... its nice to hear a review saying "why can't i be the alpha dog?" well said man.. I earned my Graf Spee and i love it... it's almost perfect the way it is, no changes required.
I long left warthunder, but still come to this content. why? because I like it. I loved playing warthunder, just couldnd handle all the shit of map design, game balancing/mechancis. it says a lot of the state of game.
I hold Napalm very highly for his objectivity, really rare trait for reviewing youtubers
People who play these games for years and care about the state of play for everyone truly know the game better than the devs themselves. They cannot design the game and focus on playing it day after day making 1000's of videos and content trying to help the community and grow an audience. Evidenced by their own "guides" something I see a lot of devs doing with little or no purpose and direction. I completely agree with everything you said. If 1 person is having all the fun, players will get fed up and leave. If events take longer than a couple hours a day I think that is irresponsible for the developer. Many people play games an unhealthy amount and this can cause problems for people personally whether physical, mental, or social. I think devs need to think more about why they are making games to begin with because there are way better and easier ways to make money.
You are right, none of us should care as long as we play top dog. However, we all know that it is matter of time until gaijin adds something that absolutely destroys graf spee and then it will become your problem, because advantage is no longer on your side. It is typical human nature and all of us are prone to it. Yet, we all like this game and we want to continue liking it as there is nothing better anyway, right?
Then, why should anybody care if it is not his job? Because for you it is not a job but your fun and no human being wants his/her entertainment go away, in the long term, it is ultimately in everyone´s interest, well made pvp game can sustain income for gaijin and fun for everyone only by its nature (unlike of pve that needs something new as fast as possible).
I think that everyone should ask this same question.
I guess that would be my answer if someone asks me... Why you care? Just play Spee LoL.
Great vid/comments as allways Napalm !. Economics destroyed/Chat destroyed by Wolfmann / crimfobic who cant control themself/servers getting down/constant Packet loss/loads of bad x-box players/killed by killed crew or broken gun/insane matchmaking/veicles, ships, tanks changed after each patch also premium, and suddently your mercedes tanks has become a wartburg tdi 500 hahaha. So sad to see how they are slowly but surely destroying this once wonderfull game....why play/pay ,,,,i wont anymore.
am currently grinding the sverdlov on AB but because of this ship and yugumos and aganos i end up using the 2 pr206 ships mostly.... if i spawn a kirov there is a huge chance it will get one shotted at 12km by this...
good times, before dreadnoughts.
Im the only one whose eyes just roll away when you hear the argument of "just go play world of tanks/planes/warships"
I stopped playing world of warships lately because I've been really tired of changes in it lately.
it is same every patch, gaijin add something OP for 1-2 nations and another patch they add someting to counter em.. same as always, Migs 21 dominates RB... now phantom dominate RB... in another patch they should add italy naval, maybe something to counter graf
indeed
Too long has my worthless Koln / Nurenberg been humiliated by the op Kirovs, Chapayevs, Brooklyns. I tried everything, hiding, charging, sniping, to no avail, only to be crushed by those superior ships without a chance in hell.
Now, it is my turn, I am the op one.
90% of the time I regret grinding the German tree, but this is one of those instances where I am happy I did.
But the Graf Spee is over performing. You are crushing heavy cruisers left and right. In reality, the Graf Spee only sank transport ships. In its only battle it was defeated by 2 light and one heavy cruiser without sinking any of them.
Next patch adds in the HMS Dreadnought, and then Graf Spee players can sigh in relief.
No, Gneisenau and Scharnhorst for Germany because they definitely need it Kappa
Can't wait for the ulitmate balance patch where they also introduce Admiral Scheer and Lützow :P
lemme guess, the ship with the best AA will become 70 € prem package ))))))))
@@Napalmratte Obviously :D
And the Gneisenau and Scharnhorst
Sad but true, having maxed out the UK and US lineup, Germany is next and I will just keep playing the Graf Spree until they nerf the hell out of it or give other nations big guns ( [iNAVY] Gunship )
US needs the Alaska class to balance the graf spee and I have no clue what the counters to it could be in the japanese, british, and Russian lines
This game is fun until you become the fresh meat for another overpowered new ship *once more.*
Admiral Graf Spee, die schlaue Art zu Waschen
The one problem is no other country has something that could compete with the graf spee like the UK has alot of good ships that could be added
I’m trying to get into naval but I just can’t get into it and I wish I could
Yo bro stick with it, if u need someone to grind with, we can squad up
Avoid it currently, the game mode relies to heavily on grind and there's always a dominant ship in every br.
@@jackallantern4138 a lot better now that coastal has been shut out haha
as i allreayd told you, you shouldnt care as much as gaijin doesnt care about you
you are not being pay for any of your work, and you shouldnt do their work for them
so save yourself the anger and the frustation, and play what you enjoy
War thunder is always at a dilemma of not knowing what the players want and making more money. I don’t care about war thunder a long time ago, in the old days, when I got the KV220 and become god of the match I felt bad because I was ruining every other player’s game and their time. But now, when I got the Graf Spee and I nuke people I don’t feel a thing, the “normal players” are a FEATURE for top players, and by adding those, top players will be always bullying and get satisfied and keep investing time and money well as other people will be so frustrated that they will either pay to progress or tormenting themselves. Gaijin wins in the end.
So don’t feel bad about balance, because it’s the imbalance that make this game attracted to you mentally. Hell, after playing war thunder I’m more keen on the idea of video game makes you violent cause I can’t recognize myself when I’m tryharding lol.
Gaijin already abandoned the model of popular mainstream online game a long time ago, now they are more leaning to the “VIP service” model. And what else can be the best service to their VIPs than the tears of peasants lol
Sorry I let my devil self out for a few minutes, back to business... ah yeah Graf Spee 100% accurate and no BR needs to be changing, also map is beautiful as hell, because Graf Spee can perform 100% at 100% of the map and yeah I only play Spee now so I have no clue of how maps work for any other ships
Unfortunately gaijin isn't listening to anyone. They are not listening to the players (although we are the customers, and customers are always right aren't they?), they are not listening to the front desk sellers of the game (yes those are you Napalm and the other TH-camrs either you want it or not)... Noone!
And when they recently announced to reward bug reports I just laughed. I laughed hard! In the last year I reported 5 bugs and 4 of them were completely removed from the forums without any warning... One of the mods approved my threads and he even replayed askinh for more info on the bugs, and I answered, and the next day Boom my post was gone!!! So I have exactly the same feelings Napalm, why would I even care?
I just stick with destroyers and avoid cruisers. To be honest, the destroyers are more fun anyway, like the cavalry of the seas and too low BR wise to run into the heavy monsters like the Graf Spee. In the naval events you still run into them and all you can do is run away or hope that you can get some torpedoes on, but its still fun that way. I've been having tons of fun with the destroyers no matter which nation it is.
It was stupid to add this ship not even partial powercreep literally just giving germans a battlecruiser and nobody else anything to compete.
Nice upload! Keep it up!
I don´t know wether Gaijin has nerfed the Spee but I am terribly bad with it because of dispersion and I can´t hit anything... I have absolutely no problem with the Hipper it leaves the Spee so far behind in performance lol
stock HE 23kg of tnt gg..
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that was 14inch hit
"Hit No. 2, which the ship identified as a 14-inch bombardment projectile, detonated on impact with the starboard side plating (15-pound MS) of the hangar about 5-1/2 feet below the boat deck."
that's 29.5kg of tnt
One of my favorite vessels. :)
I think submarines could be a great counter to the dominating cruisers while also not getting rid of the "feeling of power" in addition to that, Gaijin should remove the Torpedo markers for torpedos in realistic so you have to pay attention to the waters around you.
Helicopters for naval forces huh?
Voidex Much worse. Only destroyers can effectively destroy submarines, but they are easy frags for cruisers. And also sonar mechanic must be made to even be able to find a submarine.
Lol, at 22:59 you say it is a long battle and this is what you enjoy about naval forces. True for encounter (but on most other maps we still fight with caps) and the all mighty 5.7 lineups of Germany gets defeated by PT boats all the time thanks to the caps.
Just to be clear. I am on your page. But I stopped playing Naval RB cause of the cap modes and encounter is boring as fuck with opposing teams spawning opposite of each other and either you shoot up the enemy fleet right at the start or you get shot up. Unbalance: not only BR wise but sometimes you end up in a team having one 5.7 cruisers and mostly it's then one of the underrated British one and the enemy team has a squad full of German cruisers and more. These games are lost from the start. Except you bring out the PT boat (but only works in a cap map..). Anyway, there was one game mode that caught my interest in Naval battles again: EC - enduring confrontation. Sadly they do not happen all that often and the last two ones were not playable due to bad servers. Each game ended after 5-10 minutes right when the first players started bringing the heavy cruisers the servers died. This has not been addressed by Gaijin after the EC on Saipan or whatever the name is and the next weekend (the last one) they just released Naval EC on Dover straight. Which was funny, after playing for 20 minutes to get my cruiser my Suzuia spawned half beached with me inevitably dying as I was beached and after respawning in a Destroyer the server died again.... so really I think Gaijin has done a great job of fucking up that part of the game by making it undesirably by everyone so they don't have to fix it anymore.
By the way Napalm, you are not alone, together we are at least two who see the same flaws in the game. The other part of the community probably still like it as it is.^^
PS: This made me laugh even harder, later. I tried the Dover Straight EC again, this time an allied Southhampton spawned in me at the same moment I spawned the Suzuia. You have to give Gaijin credits for hiring a non-qualified coder or even worse quality control people for creating EC. This is literally the biggest map in the game and they manage to fuck up the spawns so hard that you either spawn all at the same spot or you spawn halfway on land. I mean how hard can it be to place multiple spawn markers in an ocean that big.
Give us 15” guns on the british battlecruisers ;)
Is the Prinz Eugen worth buying on sale? I've thought about getting into high-tier naval forces, but $60 is way too much for me. I'd rather buy an entirely new game for that kind of money.
Good ship. Watch my review but the game mode is kinda dead
@@Napalmratte I see. Thanks for the reply! o7
I like the K-2
Now its time for the Gneisenau/Scharnhorst
oh no..
"I don't care if you have an Iowa class battleship, I'll annihilate you anyways."
Guten Abend, Napalmratte. Is it not boring to play Graf Spee? You have everything in this ship - guns, armour, many crew, survivability, e.t.c. - you are just The King of Ocean with Graf Spee, nobody can stand against you, you are true pirate of the seas. When you have everything, the game becomes not competitive and boring, is not it?
well it is always a challenge to get a kill with first HE salvo!
You have armor? Good joke mein kamerad
Id say the graf spee is similar to the panzer 4 F2. Its guns are very good but its armor isnt. Been killing graf spees in my nürnberg and hipper left and right by just shooting under the turrets. But when you play it right shes a beast. But i actually dont think shes op. Take it with a grain of salt i only have the russians up to destroyers and all german ships spaded. But since you get to fight the spee with german ships im used to killing it. Pretty much maining naval for the past 2 weeks or so
To think that the Fletcher is higher rank then the Hipper in WOWS...
At least in this game 127mm guns do not pose a threat to heavy cruisers or in the future battleships.
oh they do...
Napalmratte Only on close range, 5 km or less, or if it’s Kent).
not nice of you to cut into people.
YES I REMEMBER
It should be 6.7 or 7.0
Then jet bombers will attack it. Do you want jet bombers, helicopters in naval?
@@Serby665 limit the br of aircraft in navy , tada , and the aa gunners are more than capable to shoot down them
Sounds like this guy never played wows.
i refuse to play anything higher than 4.3 because of this shitty balance and bad income
I just want an hp bar for my boat and more survivability (I'm only on the first sub chaser for japan) because I swear I die so quickly from a torpedo boats machine gun while i have a 2 barrel automatic gun
wrong game m8 - initial PT boats are often crap
I’ll have my ship probably in a week been grinding my ass off I need me some ship buddy’s though 🥺☹️
It’s literally the most unfunny thing to fight against it, it can get one shot In anything
this game is a pile garbo 2 year break nothing changed
no u
Ship = BORING!!!!!
What are you babbling about? Why are you whining through out the video?
The biggest issue in Naval forces is the loooong waiting time in queue