Mesa Dual Rectifier vs Triple Rectifier Multi-Watt - Modern Metal Comparison | Axe Palace
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- We get a lot of people asking us what the difference is between the Dual and Triple Rectifiers, so we had our buddy Sam Zelden make a quick video for you guys to hear for yourselves. Let us know what you think!
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Signal Chain (listed in sequence):
- ESP USA Horizon (Fishman Fluence Modern Set)
- MXR Custom Badass Modified OD
- MXR Smartgate
- Mesa Dual / Triple Rectifier (3 Channel, Multi-watt version of both)
- Two Notes Torpedo Studio (running 2 homemade Engl 212 IR's)
- UAD Apollo
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Hey guys! We just posted a video talking through the signal chain for this video and how we record everything!
If you're interested in some prime guitar-recording nerdery, check it out here: th-cam.com/video/-C4XydM4a4o/w-d-xo.html
I might have said this before on a previous video, but man, the camera work, editing, and overall production value of your videos is insane... props to whoever works on these, they've always come out fantastic!
David Owens thanks David. Sam did all the production. He's a talented guy.
@@AxePalace i used to mod for Sam on the twitch...hes a beast...
Dual Rec = French Roast
Triple Rec = Dark Roast
Great demo. I like that you switch between amp samples quickly. Makes it a lot easier to compare.
I'm liking this coffee metaphor
Thanks! I like that your comment is specific. Makes it easy to know what we're doing right. Lol
- Sam
French Roast is darker than Dark Roast, though 🧐🤓
@@Matt231985uk CORRECTED by a nerdified expert. lol Thx.
@@TheCyberianWonder 😂😂🙌
Holy shit, all these years I thought I wanted a dual... I clearly need both of these.
lol more amps, more tone, more better! 🤘👍
@@AxePalace here I am 2 years later and still loving both.
More comparisons need to be like this with quick riffs and frequent switching. Too many go a whole verse and change after I forget how a riff should sound. Good stuff.
Thank you, sir!
The worst is when the person stops at each switch and talks.
Triple rectifier. Why? Because if you are going to be a bear.....be a Grizzly.
Why not to be polar bear?
@@ontologicaldiarrhea6582 you could....if we were talking about rack rigs....that title would got to the Strategy Series power amps 🤣🤣🤣
I am now the proud owner of the Dual with matching cab in this video. Thx Nicholas!
Triple sounded like it had a bass guitar behind it! Triple is my pick.
iiXeno there is bass guitar in the mix of both amps along with the drums :) but yeah the Triple is a beast!
- Nick
Finally someone who can show me which one sounds good because he can actually play. I liked both but I’d pick the triple. I watched three videos on comparing the duel and triple but they couldn’t actually play the guitar. I’m buying my friends triple rec for $400, once my tax returns come I’ll be a happy man. I’ve wanted a Mesa boogie or a peavey 5150 since 2001, since my first metal band. My little crate combo amp couldn’t play loud enough for my drummer. Lol
Really liking the mids on the dual. Great vid!
mattastic247 thanks!
This is a pleasant surprise discovering this channel. Gonna go look at more vids, nicely done!
This video rules. My man can get a ridiculous sound out of these. Amazing
thanks! 🤘
Great video. Straight to the point, no talking forever. Appreciated. Thank you!
Thanks. One day we'll do more videos like this.
Your video production is really, really good.
thanks man! I put a lot of time and effort into it, so it's nice to know it's appreciated! :)
Thanks for watching and commenting
- Sam
Great playing! This is the kind of demo that leaves you as a viewer well-informed, so thank you for posting this! There was no talking over the sound examples and very clear on-screen indication of what it was we were listening to at the moment. Both amps sounded superb, especially with such precision playing. Although the differences in tone were subtle, it was clear that the dual has a bit more of a mid-focused tone than the triple.
Chris Stark thanks bud!
These are the tones of my dreams. I love the Mesa rectifiers... wish I could afford this shit.
high quality video, great job all round! would like to see the signal chain video for sure!
thank you!
Great video and KILLER song! Is it available on one of the streaming platforms?
I prefer the triple rectifier because sounds a little bit on the low end and sound incredible with kick breakdowns and stuff like that
I owned a triple for years and loved it. Although in this mix I felt the dual to be more punchy.
In real life when you A/B them its the same way. I assure you it wasn't the mix but rather the inherent differences. They both do sound great however. The Dual is noticeably warmer/punchier in an A/B test, whereas the Triple has a bit more sizzle and scoop.
Both sounded better in different parts. I'd be happy with either but I think I'm more of a triple guy.
The triple sounded awesome. I have a dual already. I threw out the mesa 440 tubes that it came with, too bright and not enough grit. Put in 5881s, man what a difference. It made my dual come to life.
Which one do you prefer?
Or is it me or does the triple have more distortion?
@@24MusicCarats that is a very good question. Natural I think that the triple does have a bit more gain. I know it has more kick. I did like my dual after I put 5881 power tubes in it. Otherwise I about hated that thing before that. Lol
I just got an EL34 Dual and swapped for 5881s much better
Awesome comparison video. Gotta say the dual rectifier grabbed my attention more in this mix. Paired well with the Engl IRs. And a studio tour video would be rad. Keep rockin man!!!
Sebastian Tarkington thanks!
Great demo showcasing the tone difference from someone who can actually play quality metal! I personally favor the triple because of the smoother heavy low end. Tough call though.
seemed like the dual was more of the flavor i lean to....
loved the triple. and would love to see your recording signal chain.
Would you take the Mesa amps over the Diezel Herbert and/or the Diezel VH4 or the Diezels as the end tier metal amp?
It sort of depends on the sound/feel you're after. The Mesas are much more "raw" and "organic", with a pronounced midrange bark and crunch that is unmistakably Recto. The Diezels are more of a polished, somewhat compressed, somewhat more scooped "wall of sound" kind of thing. I like them both a lot. The VH4 is fantastic. It's very tight and ballsy. The Mesa I think cuts more and is just really savage sounding, although it does kind of need an OD in front to be an "end tier metal amp".
If I was forced to choose I would go with the Dual Rectifier, but I love the VH4 also. It's also worth considering the Mesa Badlander amp which is kind of like a more modern, tighter version of the Dual Rec.
Dual rec is still such an absolute monster of an amp
agreed!
Were these amps set the same? The mids coming from the Dual sounded quite a bit more prominent than they sounded on the Triple.
Indeed. But maybe that is the difference between the amps. I take it he set them the same.
Dual rec for me. Awesome amps. Great demo!
Tim Guntz thank you!
Really awesome video, answered all my questions
Nice work mate.
Enjoy both the ii and iii rectifiers alot
thank you, sir
Wow, actually surprised!
BareMetalMods thanks! These amps gained the reputation of not being ideal for this style of music based on their older models which were sludgier. The new ones have the classic Recto growl and crunch but so much more tight and clear :)
@@AxePalace I've always thought they were perfect for this, they just need to be cranked up enough to work. Still the most gut wrenching amps I have experienced.
Amazing! Thanks for putting this together 🤘
Joseph Simpson thank you!
i miss you Sam !! -Wil
I usually like the DR but the TR shined as the winner here.
different tools for different jobs, different flavors for different tastes - you really can't go wrong with either of them, imho :D
Axe Palace VERY true!
Already own a Dual Rec and was considering buying a triple so I would have one as backup. Sold
Great job on this video, man! I've been itching to buy a dual rectifier. I'll probably get one in the next month or so lol.
Kristofer Such cool man, we got 'em :)
The triple sounds good it doesnt seem to suffer as much from the famous mesa mud factor they can sometimes have.
The dual just sounds so gritty I love it. Probably the better app for riffs and the triple just cuts so aggressively, probably use that for leads
Max Molina I actually like the Dual for leads as it's a bit warmer and juicier :)
Dude! You’re videos are really good!
thanks, I try!
Definitely could hear the scooped mids in the Triple, they both sound awesome and I'd really like to have either of them TBH, but if I had to pick I'm going TRIPLE!!
Sick! Would love to hear a Revv compared to both these amp, just to hear a side by side contrast 👍🏼👍🏼
I, too, would like to hear that.. I think there are some Revv's on the way to the shop right now, will try to borrow one to make that video when they arrive.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
- Sam
Axe Palace ...Sweet, there isn’t a single video out there yet comparing these amps; I think you would be the first if so, and I know this is something that has had to cross many peoples minds...I’ll definitely watch out for that video. 🤘🏼
Dude, love those face plates. Did you make them?
Would love to hear more about the signal chain, IR's used and if that was identical settings on both amps. Great riffs btw
aaron lumsden np! Well do a thorough rundown but I can say we used our own custom IRs Sam captured of an engl 2x12 cabinet. And yup the settings were pretty much the same on both.
@@AxePalace sounds like maybe there should be an axe palace IR pack 🤔
aaron lumsden we have a Kemper pack out now via GetGood Drums. IR pack is coming soon :)
@@AxePalace
Can i buy the Engl IR?
Sick song/riffs man
Also.. sounds like the Triple scoops a little more of the mids out, no? Anybody else think that? In the dual it sounds like the mids are more present.
Kristofer Such no I agree that's pretty accurate. There's plenty of mids on the Triple but less present than the Dual
Which one do u like? Me, i like the dual as rhythm and triple for solos
awesome playing !
It's been too long since I heard Sam shred. samzSq
I found the triple sat in the mix better because it had less mids.
Hi! Triple sound wider, Dual sounds nasally. What IR's, please say?
Triple for me for sure, but very close 🤘🏻
Fantastic video
thank you, thanks for watching!
Hmm...both! At the same time
Would have been cool to hear amps only, not in a mix. Still great vid and playing! 🤘🤘🤘
Rooster 7six Thanks for the feedback. We do, at times, post raw clips in our videos, but I feel the most important aspect of an amp is how it sounds in a mix (be it live or recording) - how it sounds alone in a room ultimately is not as important IMO. However I do understand this is subjective and not everyone shares my feelings on that :)
- Nick
@@AxePalace That makes perfect sense but I bet a ton of your audience are bedroom players and gear nerds like me 🤣
Rooster 7six if you're a bedroom player then the only recorded sound that would translate would be an "in the room" mic to capture the in the room sound. A mic'd up cabinet in a studio is a completely different thing. That's why we prefer to do it this way. It still sounds like how the amp sounds, just in a more direct way :)
- Nick
@@AxePalace 👍
well there is a difference when I listen and pay attention watching the video, but while I was sitting here casually browsing facebook with this video playing in the background listening thru my Kali LP-8s I didn't notice any difference at all. And when I listen closely but don't watch the video, I can't identify all the amp changes just by ear.
oh, coffe is amazing
Triple Rec all day long! So much more bass and depth for metal.
However I bet the Dual is great for general rock riffs.
Great way to compare! Too video!!
The dual really brought clarity and emphasis to your double picking, the triple seemed, well I guess a reverb tank lol, but regardless that song was straight bitchin! Thanks!
Does anyone's rectifier emit a really loud 'pop' when switching channels with the foot pedal, please?
Critical Strike Thanks! I appreciate the reply. Yes, from my searches on Google I found out that some users claim they don’t have any issues, others say it doesn’t make too much noise, while others experience a loud pop. I read about that flipping through the channels trick, thanks. I still think it’s unacceptable for an amp that expensive to have this problem.
Sounds to me like you could blend the two in a mix and get a sound that's bigger than they already are on their own.
Sure but you can also just double track on the same amp using different channels (vintage/modern) or even the old trick of layering one track with scooped mids and the other with heavy mids but less bass and highs .
I like some bottom end on my 7strings. I usually split my signal with one going to my bass amp because it sounds wicked, Im guessing the triple is what I need. I haven't checked but does Mesa retain its value ? I was gonna get a mini because I've never owned a tube amp,but hey, you only live once.
Mesas retain their value as good as just about any amp. It depends on the market conditions and other factors. But generally I suggest people just get the right amp rather than worry about future resale value. If you buy them new from a reputable dealer such as us, you will always get a trial period to ensure you like the amp before committing to it.
Can I ask...so with the classic heavy rectifier sound most of the time you have it on the solid state rectifier setting for that tighter feel, so that being said why does the tone vary between dual and triple rec?
The dual is far, far superior according to my ear. Like not even close. The triple does sound good, but something about it makes it sound more subdued and/or generic, like it doesn't have any character, it's too distorted or something. The dual has a bright clean punchy sound to it that makes it sound unique and forceful and therefore heavier. Well, my decision has been made, it was a very quick decision too lol thanks to this video, it took my ears less than 2 minutes to decide which one to get. The dual sounded far heavier in literally every riff that was played. I'm gonna have to get a dual. Thanks for the vid
The Triple sounds more scooped than the Dual. That's not a bad thing, it makes the Triple sound bigger. The Dual sounds like it would be more forward in a mix though with all the extra mids in there... but I'm not sure that's the best thing. ALL MIDS ALL THE TIME kinda sucks and gives you a really flat, 2D kind of sound. The Triple sounds deeper. Not bassier, but rather like there's more "sonic depth" there. The Dual sounds like a drag car where the Triple sounds like more a thunder storm.
triple!!!
Dammmmnnnnn those Focals though...
Dual. Always the DR. Better mids
The Triple has a fuller sound overall without losing the scooped Rectifier sound.
I enjoy the Triple rectifier, but the dual rectifier is just too flubby in the low end for me
DC Welker it's all about matching it with the right cabinet. Mesa's cabinets sadly do exhibit that "flubby" character you speak of, however when you run a Dual into a different cabinet they can sound quite tight and clear - especially with an OD in front.
- Nick
hi!!! is the effect loop less messy on the triple than on the dual? because the dual is really shit to settle it is parralele it seems to me ...
Is there any difference between the triple recs that say solo head vs 150w head?
Hey brotha does the triple have more gain overall?
I used to have a vintage 2 channel dual rect and it always felt like it needed more distortion.
They have the same amount of gain, both amps benefit from a boost in front like a TS808 for modern metal applications.
Both running 6L6's? And did you dial them in the same exactly, or how individually how each one sounded good?
They were both 6L6. I don't recall the exact settings. In general however I find the Dual Rec sounds better and is more fun to play than the Triple. One thing that can't come thru a video is feel, and the Dual feels more responsive and less "stiff", to me.
Triple definitely sounds darker/thicker, which is what I prefer. Amazing amps either way.
Whether there are interest-independent objective standards to assess the amps by, is "our decision."
About the grill cloth for the triple rectifier? I’m just thinking, did you get the amp like that or did you do a mod
we order unique material / color combinations from Mesa's Custom Shop all the time - if you ever want or need something from them, give us a shout! Thanks for watching
dat sip tho Sam. ASMR Coffee sipping \m/
As it should be! In some places that's a sign of respect.. or somethin? \m/
- Sam
Hey what are guitars tuned for the demo? Drop C or C Standard?
@Polyphonic Fart Drop C for this one, sir
- Sam
Dual Rec sounds like it has slightly more upper mids that sort of round it out. This stands out a little more to me in the leads and the harmonized strummed riffs. The Triple sounds like it has slightly less mids (not quite scooped, but more in that direction) and a little crisper high and low end. I prefer the Dual, but both sound good.
Fair analysis. The thing that cant be captured in a video unfortunately is the FEEL. Playing both amps is just a completely different experience.
@@AxePalacewhich ones feel do you prefer
Whats the difference between the two? Just the wattage? And what does "rectifier" even mean?
They just sound different, which is what we tried to convey with this video. Rectifier refers to the rectifier tubes these amps have. It's part of the poweramp and effects the feel and sound of the amp.
The dual sounded like it cut better in the mix.
Dual: mids
Triple: not as much mids, punchier bottom
I honestly think this has more to do with the EQ settings not being set in relation to eachother. I think they *can* sound more similar to eachother, but I'm not sure that's the way to go.
The triple has an amazing low bottom end control, and letting that be a central part of the tone may be it's preferable setting, while the dual might benefit from a more mid rich tone.
GurktheBrutal nah it's got nothing to do with the EQs. The amps just sound drastically different. And even more so FEEL different.
What are the EQ settings?
What are the settings on that triple rec.
Mesa amps need a boost/OD but Diezel amps do not.
That is true, but nearly all high gain metal amps on the market that I would boost anyways, regardless of how much it needs it. The Diezel benefits greatly from a boost bc their low end can be over the top.
Sam Zelden!
I like the dual rec. Little more gritty and meaty.
Dual's mids seem to record better to me. But in the room the Triple slays.
Triple sounded fatter; perfect for extreme metal.
I love this vid and I love you. very handsome man. I kiss my computer screen. good player also.
Can we just call it a triple rectal fire?
Jomo Burton you can call it whatever you'd like!
rectal fryer
What is the name of your Twitch channel?
Triple seems to be smoother dual seems to be more pokey so slight but so obvious...
seems 3 is more compressed......think i lke dual more
If you can have only one...? Hmmm.
Triple sounds a tad thicker
Great video although I'd like to hear the amps for themselves...
Thanks for the feedback - eventually we'll make longer versions to really talk through features of each amp, and include more isolated clips in those videos.
Thanks for watching!
- Sam
Do they both have 6L6's in them?
James Cassidy they do, indeed; yessir
I want a triple but I don't want to pay for it....