Astruc changes the longer-term plans for the show whenever he wants. If the fandom figures something out: he changes it so that they didn't figure it out. If the fandom has a theory that he loves: the theory becomes canon... for a while, until he finds a new and better twist
Actually I follow Thomas on Twitter and he mentioned they finished writing season 4 ages ago like after a quick Twitter search in 2018 or 2019 possibly? Therefore it would have been impossible for them to change major plot points by now. (do your research) Sure I could see them changing some of the minor details but I doubt it would have been possible for them to go and change major plot threads. Apparently they aren’t even allowed to read fan-fiction (probably for copyright reasons). Also they’ve already finished season 5 back in 2020 so if the fandom randomly starts up another theory soon that ends up being right it’s possible it most likely would not be due to the fan base’s influence.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
My guess: The writers got to know about the theory, incorporated hints that would support it, but in the end they'll throw it away, just like they did with Chloe's redemption arc c':
i doubt it they'll just make it an never ending tease like adrienette being cannon, so they don't have to deal with the actual backlash of ever making it cannon, and the fandom would be stuck wondering if their making it cannon or not.
It does kind of feel that the creators heard of the Adrien-is-a-sentimonster theory and decided to incorporate it somewhere between season 3 and 4 because Adrien acts very differently in season 4 from what he used to be like. My bet is that Adrien and Felix are senti-twins who were made from the same amok, put into the twin rings. Could also be that one of them was made to resemble the other (not sure which one). Having said that, I'll also be equally happy if it turns out neither of them is a sentimonster, but then the creators have a lot of clues to explain.
@Edward Red Mendoza This theory has also been there for a while. Plus, they had all the months of the initial lockdown to assess the fans' mood. I guess we'll never know for sure...
I’m really worried Miraculous Ladybug is gonna go the way of Pretty Little Liars by the end of the series; a show runner too busy on outsmarting the fans that it starts to throw ideas it took from the fandom to throw off the scent, instead of following the original plan, just to be like “SEE, you THOUGHT this would happen but, boo your ideas! I MAKE THE CHARACTERS KISS”
Yeah... Something about the writers or the creator himself that rubs me the wrong way is that they seem to be making things out of spite rather than out of love for the story and the characters. It's off-putting and frankly unprofessional of them.
i feel like the "adrien is a sentimonster" theory could be rly good if its written correctly but these are the writers of miraculous we're talking about. like i dont want them rushing it and it feels like its been rly suddenly placed into the show so i rly hope this theory isnt true because my brain will explode 😂
The writers are for sure teasing the Sentimonster theory to keep the fandom entertained. But in the end there will probably never be a resolution to this. Or at least I wouldn’t be surprised. The dialogue in “Gabriel Agreste” was very vague and equivocal: Gabriel is threatening Felix but at the same time he’s not admitting anything, like being Hawk Moth, or that Felix is a sentimonster. He could also simply mean that he is so rich and powerful that he could destroy Felix and Amelie just like that, only because of his social status, his money, his influence. One of the better scenes in S4 so far imo…
Idk, disagree with that last bit. The Graham De Vanilys strike me as an old money type of family personally. Have no way of knowing if this is true however lol but they definitely would have way more connections than Gabriel who is just a fashion designer mind you, not a mob boss. I definitely think what he told Felix was more nefarious because Felix looked legitimately threatened. Whether people like the theory or not, it undeniably gets one thinking about Adrien's family story. I think a shift in focus is needed because the romance aspect of the show gets a little tiring after a while.
@Edward Red Mendoza i mean- stealing could possibly trash Felix's look in the family if they maintain an image of being good people or smth- so he could use that (considering he most likely would have cameras near that secret entrance to make sure no one gets in there/maybe after Adrien took that book that one time)-
If they do go with it, the writers will just make something up out of thin air to ensure that Adrien can't be killed. Something like, "The longer a human sentimonster lives, the harder it is to make them not exist."
Nah they'd just be like "ladybug has the power of creation and the miraculous's limit is whatever the holder sets it to, so she can recrreate adriend as a normal boy!!!"
The only way for it to work with Adrien being a sentimonster, would be if they want a tragic end for the whole show. We are talking, they defeat Hawkmoth, there is no more need of the miraculous and they get put into dormancy, and somehow that affects Adrien, meaning he would die. I just don't see them making a happy ending with Adrien as a sentimonster. It just seems... meh to be me.
Adrien being a sentimonster isn't that bad! I mean...after they defeat Hawkmoth, a new one will come (as the shows states) and even if they defeat Hawkmoth, Senti Adrien will obtain the item with his amok and he will be free and have his own will! That would be great wouldn't it? Also, Miraculous is a show for kids...I doubt that a character (especially an important character such as Adrien) would die. Even if he does...that would be very traumatic for children so Adrien would be brought back to life somehow. All in all, Adrien being a sentimonster is not all that bad.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
The writers are playing a dangerous game. It seems very risky to give a MAIN character to ability to just snap out of existance. I really hope this sentimonster thing is really a red herring to get ppl to keep watching.
I feel like the twist is going to be that they are twins, Emilie is their mom but that Gabriel is not their biofather; he doesn't likes Felix but he cares about Adrien bcos he raised him, maybe Felix's dad was their real dad?( "The parent trap"-style kinda deal) Also kinda unrelated but Emilie must have tried to do some sentimonster so weird that it broke the miraculous and insta-put her in that coma, because Adrien have never commented that she was sick like Nathalie (and we've seen Mayura making LOTS of SM and just now is bedridden), she just "disappeared" one day
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
Personally, I'd actually be quite interested in seeing Felix turn out to be a sentimonster. Sure, Felix hasn't done much thus far, but they're clearly building up to something for him now that he knows Gabriel's identity. I think it'd be interesting to see a sentimonster rise up against Shadow Moth and become something of a third faction, opposed to both the heroes and the villains. Adrien being a sentimonster, meanwhile... no. Like, is that really how anyone would want the show to end? With Adrien's entire life turning out to be a lie, and his continued existence being contingent on the Peacock remaining in sympathetic hands? There's no happy ending there, no Miraculous Ladybug power to set _that_ right. That could probably work in some shows, but not this one.
Even if this theory was real There's an idea💡 to fix this Even If Emile agreste come back from the dead and release adrien agreste from existence Ladybug/marienete can use peacock Miraculus with lady bug And combine them together because of having the power of creation miraculus Ladybug can bring Adrien Agreste back to reality ladybug basically recreate Adiren agrest not as a sentimonster but as a real human being
I think both Adrien and Felix are sentimonsters and the reason why both being sentimonsters is important to the plot is to show duality and how two people can react differently to a tragedy. How some use it as an excuse to do bad things while others rise above it and rebuild their lives.
I remember someone doing a comic of Adrien beign part sentimonster. He was born normally but he died on a freak accident and Emilie revive him by creating a heart for him with the peacock miraculous.
Yea me too, someone also showed that the lucky charm now owned by Adrien was give to Mari after putting the amuck in it. That after she gave him that back he owned himself, which was half proved wrong because well 🤡
yeah I saw that too and it was pretty good for the most part... except for the beginning of that comic, that was a bit weird... also did Adrien's Amok need to be Mari's bracelet? that's a bit too convenient! if they were to go down the route of him being a sentimonster human hybrid I think something they could do with it would be to remove his amok WITHOUT killing him. they would see him being mind controlled as too much of a risk so they give a surgeon the Peacock and the Snake Miraculous so that they can identify which parts of Adrien aren't real and give him transplants to save his life, using second chance as a failsafe in case anything goes wrong (basically quicksave scumming through surgery). I think if handled correctly this could be a tense sequence that could have some interesting payoff. just an idea I came up with just now
Another reason why people think Adrien is a Sentimonster is because The painting of Emilie is based on Gustav Klimt's piece Adele Bloch Bauer I. Interesting to note, Adele's life parallels what we know about Emilie in many notable ways:The woman in the original painting, was childless despite attempts to have children.
Him being a Sentimonster would destroy the series for me even if there is evidence. This could lead to Marinette uniting Chats and her Miraculouses just to make Adrien a real human being.
I agree that they've fallen in love with it... Which is why they're bringing back Felix, because they can put it on him without sacrificing Adrien's humanity.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
The writer's seem to have a very rigid plan already in place for the story. A lame plan, but a fully thought out plan. I just don't think they'd change the plan to make Adrien a sentimonster, I'm pretty sure they're just pulling our collective chain.
Your video makes a great point. For years, Adrien never had a chance to tell his story, his way. Even if he wasn't a senti-being, he has always been controlled by his dad and probably his mom too. Becoming Chat Noir was Adrien's way of breaking free, but he hasn't dealt with or addressed any of his trauma. It's been pushed to the side, to be dealt with never. But if he's a senti, he will have to address what happened to him and face the fundamental question he has in season 4: Does he belong, is he needed? But While this does make a Great Story I really Dont trust the Writers to pull this off Perfectly. But then it like should a Writers not take risk with their Storytelling or should they just play it safe and let it remain Boring. I dont know. But their has been many kids show that has gotten Complicated and Dark over the years. Amphibia comes to mind recently so im pretty sure People can handle it and it will be one of those shows that people will remember for it twist.
Yeah they’ve kept it simple in the first 2 seasons, season 3 was somewhat simple but they started introducing more concepts and now season 4 has even more of that
@@breyerhorsestudios2964 Not going to lie but I like the simplicity of the show plus I’m not sure the writers can pull off some of these dark concepts. We all seen Cat Blanc and it was a mess because it was rushed and needed more time to flesh it out, maybe they could pull it off if they made important episodes either than the finale be 2-3 part episodes like the did with the Queen Bee episodes.
@@snatchingcareers4681 they wanted to make Chat Blanc darker but channels wouldn’t allow it, so they simply can’t make the sentimonster thing feel dark
@Breyer Horse Studios How could they make Chat Blac Darker? Didnt Ladybug and Hawkmoth die? Didn't Paris get completely destroyed. What was they planning on bringing in Demons as well?
there's a chance they're feeding onto/heavily implying this theory to entertain the fandom but not actually doing it. i'd rather that be the case, because this is a cool twist but has to be written very carefully, writing it would basically be like walking on eggshells, and just like you said i don't trust their writing skills to cover this up that well... since season 4's writing has gone downhill. besides, the theory is kind of creepy- no matter how you put it the name is senti*monster* bro ^^; adrien turning out to be one wouldn't only weird us out and break our brains, it would affect adrien really, really bad. poor boy is already going through so much family trauma. felix being a sentimonster, however, would work very well. it's a cool turn and it's not that important if they don't execute it well.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
If he is a sentimonster, there has to be some sort of plot twist or something so gabe cant just snap his fingers and get rid of him, maybe he can slightly control him but he has to of grown to powerful to be fully controlled, idk.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it only the creator of the sentimonster that can get rid of it? So in this case, probably emily since she used the peacock and is down for the count. And given we've seen sentimonsters gain awareness outside themselves enough to rebel and even take back their item to be able to control themselves, that gives you a good base to work off of
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
@@everythinggirly916 I was thinking the same! I mean, I really loved the concept of that theory too... but in case if this turn out to be either canon or confirmed in this season, it'd be kinda forced or something for me 🤔 Imo, it'd have been better if we had more explicit hints that Adrien is a senti back then in season one :P
@Everything Girly Well you can kind of say they been hinting it. It just they haven't been Hinting it to Hard. Everything about Adrien living a Shelter Life could be Attribute to him having Overprotective Parents or them Keeping him a Secret. Gabriel considered Adrien to Be Perfect and When you have someone Perfect you cant help but Show it Off to the World which is Why Adrein is a Model. Adrien is Allergic to Feathers yeah anyone Can be allergic to feathers but Hey Maybe his Body just hates how his life is tie to a Feather. And the painting of Emily is a Painting similar to real life about a Woman being childless. So while Season 4 Is getting more Heavy with the Hinting you could say they been Hinting all along it just that these hints could have been connected to something else and we just didn't realize it.
Wait, is it possible for Sentimonsters to even grow up? They’re inorganic life forms, and therefore not organisms, and one of the key traits of organisms is the ability to grow. Until Astruc and the writers choose to address it, Adrien being seen as a baby stands to be one of the reasons he can’t be a Sentimonster, unless Gabe or Emelie just decided to constantly change his physical appearance every year to make it look like he was growing like any other person.
I think there is a thought to be had about the host object for the amok being the TWIN rings. We have seen many times before that there isn't a strict 1 object per person per akuma/amok. Many times we have seen one object being related to multiple people getting affected (like gang of secrets). And more recently, we have seen an akuma enter an object that then SPLIT (crocoduel). This would then give us reason to believe that the amok for Adrien/Felix is within both the rings at the same time. Now, what effect would that have? To name a few, it could mean that one needs both rings to control Adrien, which is why he has started to develop some independence ever since there was one person at a time wearing the ring while ordering him. It could also mean the twin rings produced twin sentimonsters, which the Graham de Vanilly twins adopted one each, and that's why Adrien and Felix are identical. The amok could also be more complex to remove, seeing as in Crocoduel the object had to be reunited and destroyed alltogether to be freed of the akuma, so if one ring got damaged the sentimonster could still remain. These are just some of the thoughts I've had, and there is most likely much more to think about regarding the twin rings.
I think Adrien is a sentimonster cause why would Emily use the peacock miraculous in the first place. Also in the Shanghai special on airplane Gabriel did said he been doing this for 15 years.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
I think the Graham de Vanilys are the descendants of twin sentibeings; that's why they're perfect and always come in pairs. Also it would give Felix a reason to want the Peacock miraculous, because the idea of Peacock Felix is popular.
honestly MLB doesn't feel like it's own show, i have noticed that every famous theory has been done in the show, the show is like for the fandom to dump their ideas in
@@izawa9211 every theory? What other theory has been proven right? Look at season five for example: everyone was dissappointed that Ladybug will get a miraculous per episode because it was too predictable. Now they're like this 🤡
It's true that evidence supporting the theory has been piling up this season but come on, it's impossible for the writers to know about the theory right at the end of season 3 and then making it canon in season 4. The times just don't add up. I don't think it was planned from the very beginning of the show but rather with the release of season 2 (in which we have Emilie inside the chamera, the introduction of the peacock miraculous, Emilie's film, Solitude, with the twin rings logo, etc...)
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
🤨I think Filex is a sentemonster because every episode title in the show was about either a super villan (ephemeral,reflecta,antibug) Or a sentemonster (Gabriel agrest,ladybug,Feast,reflectdoll) So why episode Felix wasn't named the treopunshers that probably means Felix a sentemonster.
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
I think someone in the cast is a SentiMonster, but I think Adrien and Felix are both red herrings. Adrien would be TOO big of a reveal, especially with a show that loves the status quo as much as this show does. And Felix would be kind of a non-reveal, since he hasn't shown up enough to make us really care. To me, it seems like most SentiMonsters have a one track mind. They're created with a goal in mind. So, lets look at some possibilities. There's Gorilla aka Adrian's Bodyguard...which again, no one would care about. But, having a moment when he sacrifices himself for Adrien could be kind of heartwarming. Emily might have made someone to protect her son for her. Probably my least likely candidate. There's Nathalie the secretary, which I think has a pretty good chance of being a SentiMonster. She's basically a stand in for Emilie (their names even rhyme). She's kind of taken the role of "wife" to Gabriel and "mother" to Adrien. So if Emilie were to ever wake up...Nathalie doesn't really have any point to exist anymore. Plus, we've kind of grown to know and like her over the show's run. It would have a little bit of a impact. I'd be a way for the show to have a consequence...but not really since Emilie could just easily slide into Nathalie's place in the show. But then there's my favorite pick...Gabriel aka Hawkmoth himself. He's obsessed with bringing his wife back. Single-minded about it. Maybe the REAL Gabriel's been dead all along and Emilie tried to bring him back to life in her grief. And having a moment where Hawkmoth has to sacrifice his own life to bring back his "wife" after realizing that HE was the cause of Emilie's coma all along...that could be great. And then, Emilie might get obsessed with getting the Peacock miraculous back again so she can do it all over again, giving the show a brand-new villain. I feel like Nathalie's the most likely pick, but Gabriel would be the most interesting. Or...maybe it's someone else. Or maybe it really is Adrien.
I think the Adrien and Felix as sentimonsters is immensely stupid. People are so obsessed with being the one to crack the secret that they fall victim to Apophenia which is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. I think Adrien being more submissive to his father in these moments is just the writers emphasizing the toxic nature of their relationship, the same with the wishmaker episode. The whole thing with Gabe rubbing the ring is a coping mechanism. When you experience loss like the loss of your wife it can be all consuming and people find ways of coping, some more positive than others. Gabe rubbing the ring is some sort of coping mechanism when Adrien wanting to disobey him gets in the way of his plans as Shadowmoth which are to get his wife back. So they aren’t sentimonsters, Gabe is just coping and Adrien is just too obedient for his own good.
In Ephemeral Adrien couldn't fight back the akumatization right after Gabriel touched his ring... Too much of a stretch to think it's just a copying mechanism.
@@vladimir3905 he just got hit like a freight train with his moms corps on ice under his house and the fact that his dad is shadowmoth. Now either one of those would be enough to send you over the deep end and think back to Cat Blanc where he was so distraught over learning his dad was Shadowmoth then so Im pretty sure Adrien just isn’t able to cope with that much negative emotions. Would you be able to?
@@storymaster164 the timing of him trying to resist the akumatization, then Gabriel touching his finger and giving an order and then Adrien suddenly giving his miraculous in almost a robotic way is too convenient
@@vladimir3905 The animation could've made it seem robotic, it sometimes looks weird so it is debetable whether it was intentional or not. To me, he looks like he just simply gave up fighting his father because he wants his mother back just as much as Gabriel. Gabriel didn't give him an order, he had _asked_ : "Do you understand me, son?" Gabriel didn't need to force him to obey, they both know what Adrien wants. Adrien's face is one of resignation. He gave in to the promise of power to bring Emillie back, as Gabriel expected. The fact he didn't bother to try to save Marinette shows that between her and his family, he will choose his parents, his mother specifically. We have seen Nino, Alya, Felix and Chloe break from the akumatization because they let go of their negative emotion and inner desire. Adrien's dialogue to Hawkmoth: _you can't ask me to do that_ sounds to me like he knows he's fighting a losing battle. We have seen how much Adrien misses Emillie. He would give in, sentimonster or not.
@@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX I don't know. They could've conveyed everything you put without touching his finger twice in the episode. And it's not just the action by itself, it's also the timing in which the scene it's shown: Adrien following Gabriel's will almost automatically after that. Way too sus to be just "Adrien wants his mum back".
Part 1: Adrien I hate this theory. This is coming from someone who liked it at one point. I think the writers are messing with the fans considering how many times they tried to debunk it and fans wouldn’t shut up about it. First, the rings act more as a symbol and reminder of what Gabriel is fighting for. He even fiddles with it when Adrien is not in the room to be controlled. I like the theory other fans had if him checking to see if the ring is still there because Felix stole it the first time. Here is where the symbolism comes in. In order to do that, let me tell you a story. I have someone in my life that bullies me a lot. If I try to talk or stand up for myself, she turns it up to 11 out of five. I try to turn it up, she dials it ip even more to the point that the only option for me is to shut up and take it. This is why I can’t speak to this person anymore. Sadly, she is a relative and I have to put up with her. This is how Gabriel treats Adrien. Every time Adrien resists, Gabriel fiddles the ring to remind himself to dial it up further to het Adrien to obey. It is getting to the point that Adrien does not have any fight left in him so he obeys to make things easier on them. This is an abused and traumatized boy with no support system. He is barely with his friends. Ladybug treats him like shite half of the time. It makes sense how Adrien is easily subservient.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 It's really good that you can (usually?) distance yourself from her in your everyday life. Let's hope for this kind of development for Adrien, too :)
@@katiat7278 yeah someone adopt him please. I have a head cannon that while Felix is an antihero, he one day will ask his mom to adopt Adrien and get him out of there. Either him or the bodyguard or both.
Honestly I would like for your explanation to be it actually makes sense. Either way I’m super heart broken for Adrian he doesn’t deserve all of this:\ and same goes to you I hope you can find peace
While I agree that this theory makes sense I really hope it isn’t true. I hate the idea that adrien is a sentimonster so much. If one of them has to be a sentimonster I would much rather it be felix but I wouldn’t like that much either.
Yes I completely agree with you!! I think Adrien being a sentimonster will kind of ruin the plotline of the show. If anyone out of them both had to be a sentimonster then I'd prefer it to be Felix...
If I said it once.... THEY BETTER NOT BE A SENTIMONSTER!! If Adrien is, I will not be watching the show AT ALL once that's revealed; this theory F's up the 'Love Square' b/c the possibility of him 'dying' and Marinette losing her love of her life is a VERY sour outcome. If Felix is, I'll still watch it honestly b/c then we will be seeing that 'Fight for Survival' scenario; how far will someone go to continue to live, especially if he is the Future Hawkmoth --- cuz I DON'T wanna see Lila Bitch anywhere NEAR that Butterfly miraculous.
Part 2: Felix While we did not see him a lot, felix has a lot of resentment to Gabriel. Why? I am sensing he was abused by Gabriel like Adrien has. Thank lord for his mother because she took him away from that nonsense. The snap of his fingers statement seemed more metaphorical to me. He is a powerful man with high status who can have anyone follow his orders with just a snap of his fingers which is scarier. Imagine having a hitman on standby to do your dirty work and hide people after they are killed and made it like they never existed. I believe Felix acted it to it this way. He barely understands how the Miraculous works. How could he know he is a sentimonster? Also, he broke free easily. If he was a sentimonster, how did he have the power to do that? Also, he gave Gabriel a copy of the ring. The part that confused me is when Gabriel said, “think of your mother” Emelie shot in frame. Does this mean Emelie is Felix’s mom? This also explains why Felix was scared. Not only was he threatened but his mom was. His mom treats him well and provides a happy home life for him. If she is gone, who dies she have left? I am overthinking or overanalyzing this here, but this seems to be two stories of abuse and trauma not sentimonsters.
@@vladimir3905 this is why it does not make sense. That is why i feel they are mocking us because they put in whatever information they want to make us feel like they are a sentimonster but not making it consistent.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 But it does make sense, Gabriel now has the ring to control Adrien, which was previosuly with Emilie, that's why he couldn't break his akumatization in Ephemeral. But Felix could because Gabriel now doesn't have the ring to control him. Still, he can erase him due to holding the peacock miraculous. Of course we still don't have concrete proof to confirm the theory but, I have to admit, it is pretty consistent thus far. The only """plot hole"" I see with the theory is why Gabriel didn't use the ring up till this season? But that's more lack of information than a plot hole. You people are just bitter about the possibility of being canon and I guess it's easy for you to blame the writers for that.
@@vladimir3905 i was all for this until you said “you people”just because we disagree. If this was set up in season 1 and not in season 4, I would be behind it, but they didn’t. It is easy to blame the writers because they do this all of the time. They keep making stuff ip at the last second and taunt us. Look at all the reveals. They give us what we want and mind wipe everyone without leaving big consequences. The LadyNoir kiss is not a big consequence and Marinette having one dream is not a big consequence. If she was mire worried about Cat Blanc, she should have more nightmares and not treat him like a stupid idiot all of the time. My problem is not the evidence, but the consistency. The rules are all over the place instead of having them be consistent. This is why I don’t believe the theory and one more reason why I do not like the writers. The premises keep me interested but the poor character development that they keep removing whenever they want and the rules not making sense keep deterring me away from the show sometimes.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 You say the rules are all over the place but that's simply not true?? You can blame the show for all the things you've said (except for the identity reveal like, why would you want only one when you can have it being played out in different scenarios?), but you have to admit the theory makes sense. But then again, I think it's easier for you to just blame the writers and being salty about it.
the theory was there since season 1 and there was so many evidence even back then i think the writers made him a sentimonster from the start but they gave little hints trough the seasons
@@diegomartinezquezada4797 maybe not season 1 since we didn't even know about Emilie's state and Gabriel's true intentions for wanting the miraculous. But it can be possible that the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster was made up during season 2, since there were more foreshadowing about it.
@@diegomartinezquezada4797 now that i've seen some comments about it, the first time we saw Emilie's painting (which is based of the painting of a woman who was unable to conceive children) was in season 1 so... yeah, it could have been planned from the very beginning.
I think both but Adrien is for sure. My reason is because as a child development expert; infants and toddlers do not understand the concept of growing up. They don't know what a birthday is or that they are going to get older. At that age, they think that they are going to still the same size. They only know I am hungry, wet/poopy, and sleeping. That's it!
What if Felix is the original and Emily being depressed for not being able to have children creates a sentimonster to resemble Felix, who is what we know today as Adrien.
We can also assume it the other way around, see, what if felix and Adrien were actually twins and one of them passed away smh, to help the sister who's son passed away , they recreated the alive kid as a sentimonster and so one of them can be sentimonster
I undoubtedly believe in this sentimonster theory. I don't think Felix is a sentimonster. Agreed.However, I think Adrien is. Even my own opinion on this theory has changed with time. I think Felix got hold of the peacock miraculous in order to avoid wrong creation of sentimonsters. What if he was the real Agreste son, but was imperfect and did not obey his parents, instead lives his life as he wished? And so, they created senti - Adrien and forced Felix to stay silent, gave him to his aunt who didn't have children? I think realistically, Adrien wouldn't be this obedient. The show is set in modern day young generation. In reality, if a parent was this controlling, normal children would try to run away, openly say no and even complain. Realistically, no normal young person, especially western young generation as this is set in France, would be THIS obedient to such an abusive and controlling parent. Or obey them 100%. Come on guys, if you had a parent like this, wouldn't you complain to social services? Refuse to obey whatsoever they want? Try to run away. I think most of you would.
Isn't that the same as Markov's motivation? Like to become a real person or something? Unless Gabe isn't truly defeated and he is still pursuing the same goal to get his wish without the butterfly and peacock miraculous, i feel like no one would be a threat to Felix so why would he need the ladybug and cat miraculous?
I think they are both senti monsters, but I think it's in the realm of "good" and "evil"... Adrien being the good and obedient "son" and Felix being the "evil" or mischievous one who has no problem questioning Gabriel on anything and Adrien pretty much does everything (for the most part) what his father says without question(whether it's a ring controlling thing or whatever.)
I feel at least one of them definitely is a sentimonster, but still wondering if we are just being thrown red herrings regarding Adrien. There should be no reason to twist the ring to control Adrien. Just wearing it should be enough if he was a sentimonster. But the scene in Ephemeral where he gets akumatised does throw me. Very torn, don't like the idea, but not up to me I guess. Really liking Felix as a villain more and more. Lila just makes my skin crawl.
I feel it'd have to be adrien if one of them was the sentimonster. Reasoning: Adrien has too great of skills. Kagami only fights, but he's as good as her while also being as good as if not better than people in so many other instances, too. Musically, linguistically, etc. Adrien had no agency at the beginning of the show and only went through the motions for things. More recently, in the wish episode, he couldn't remember his childhood dream, but revealed his dream was to be what his parents wanted him to be (while nothing else changed about him) His father wants him safe but only makes the absolute minimum of effort to check on his wellbeing. I know he's obsessed with being hawkmoth and his whole thing is that he's willing to hurt people to get what he wants, but one would think that he'd care more for his son who is the only thing left of his wife. He's been the butt of many jokes. The writers don't take him seriously and hand wave away all the growth that he (that anyone) makes. But he's also the only one who's been built up as a character we should feel sad for. He's the only one who we're supposed to pity. Which is kinda weird and has only been happening in the last few seasons when the theory has been circulating more
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
I kinda hate this ,if Cat noir been reveal as a sentimonster il turn to what characters was to a plot devices If was Felix ,same ..... i rather have twins separate at birth that one been a alchemi golem , i hope the writers are just troling but same time ....who can say
I feel like they could be leaning into Adrien's mother making a sentimonster (Adrien) after having difficulties having a child, and modelling him after felix out of jealousy/desire. I don't think Gabe knows, otherwise he would've swapped the rings ages ago imo so he could have the one to control Adrien. I think the ring rub is just meant to keep foreshadowing more than being intentional on his part. Let's be real the writers havve shoehorned that the writing is "we can do whatever we want and the miraculous holder can do whatever they can imagine w their powers." They could prob pull of finale moment of marinette using her powers of creation to bring back adrien like nothing happened without needing an amok to host him, and so he's entirely independent. That or Tikki will do i using her power since it's more powerful. Either way. I could see it considering all the time travel bs undos they do lmao
I pray to god that the Sentimonster theory isn't true for either of those two characters because it would ruin the whole show for me and alot of other fans. The argument I've seen people use of him being perfect making him out to be a Sentimonster makes no sense because he's not perfect if he was prefect he'd be able to tell how Marinette feels for him and give her a response. I'm hoping that they're just messing with the fans who believe the theory without questioning it at all. My real question is if Adrien's father is transformed and does that jester while we don't see the ring clearly on his finger is he actually touching the ring or not because that breaks the theory apart completely if he's not actually touching the ring.
Yeah as much as I want this theory to be true, the writers don't seem like they can execute this right Remember the episode Lie? Luka literally akumatized because he hated Marinette's lie, but what happened in Wishmaker? Luka discovered Mari's identity then proceeded to LIE about it. Like, if there was nuance added to Luka's character after Wishmaker, then it would be fine but no. We got NOTHING. No explanation, no dialogue, no thoughts, no nothing from Luka. Idk man, I wish the writers would add some nuance or something. Even if it's a kids show, it can be done.
The events in Whishmaker actually challenged the preconception that Luka had about telling the truth. That's some character development right there not bad writing. He realized telling a lie sometimes is for the better.
@vladimir barrios I would agree, but after the events of Empherial, and seeing Luka go along with Ladybug's ludicrous idea into manipulating Chat to reveal his identity, instead of EASILY telling Su-han Chat's identity without any trouble, I'm beginning to question if there was a point to Luka's 'arc'
@@phoeberoman7607 It's unlikely for his character to start acting on his own unless is extremely necessary. For him, the less he gets involved in the whole mess, the better for Marinette since it's one less thing for her to worry about. We did see in Ephemeral that Luka was wary about Ladybug decision of not using the second chance but he was still confident about her and her role as a leader.
@vladimir barrios I guess so, still, Luka in this episode frustrated me so much. And in all honestly, i think it was extremely necessary in that moment, since Ladybug's job was at risk. Also, this episode could've been the turning point for Luka's character, he should've been the one to act out. Cuz' hear me out, S4 is almost done, and we get zero depth to Luka's character since Wishmaker. Now that I think about it, what was the point of him knowing BOTH Ladybug's and Chat's identities. He's not particularly close to Adrien, they seem on neutral terms, we rarely even see them interact. So, what was the point? Luka could've had a brotherly relationship with Adrien, but I guess the writers just want him as yet another love square shipper, because that's what he felt like to me in Empherial with his lack of intervening. Also, I don't think there's any harm if Luka said he only knew Chat's identity, he could've just revealed it to Su-han without telling Ladybug, and everyone is happy. Plus, it's implied that Mari already suspects that Luka knows she's Ladybug, since she texted him to "find Sass in my sewing box". Since how would he know where to find "Ladybug's" sewing box, unless he knew her true identity.
I know there was a lot of evidence of Adrien being a sentimonster even before season 4, but those pieces of evidence were subtle, and if he truly is a sentimonster, I would've liked it that way. In season 4 they're basically forcing the theory on us and i don't like that. It's honestly becoming annoying (and I actually like the whole sentimonster idea a little)
@@vladimir3905 We got literally no strong hints in the first 3 seasons, yet season 4 isn't even over and we have so many strong sentimonster hints, kind of seems like a bit too much to me. But you do you
@@miraculouslymiraculous6150 yeah sure, people came up with the theory out of thin air. Also if that's the case then what's the problem? If the theory is becoming strong this season is because the series has reached a point in which this aspect of the main story is taking central stage. That's plot progression.
@@vladimir3905 Idk, it just feels like their shoving the theory down out throats and yes, I actually want plot progression. I just wish they would've showed a bit more evidence in the first 3 seasons instead of squeezing it all in one season. I love season 4 compared to other seasons, but the sentimonster thing's annoying me
@@miraculouslymiraculous6150 sentimonsters weren't even a thing in season 1?? So it's to be expected that it doesn't have too much foreshadowing (only Emilie's painting that is based on a woman who was unable to conceive but that's it). It makes sense the evidence increase at the same rate as sentimonsters are more and more relevant to the plot.
this sentimonster thing sounds creepily similar to grimwalkers from the owl house,but no matter what word is used for ethier show,both are the same thing,a clone
I personally think it would be really cool if Felix was a sentimonster inspired by Adrien. Emily and Gabriel mightve desired a child and the magic of the peacock miraculous helped them. But Felix's parents werent able to have kids unless they made a full fledged swntimonster, and decided to use Adrien as the figute to make Felix out of one since the moms were already twins. Also, I would bet Felix would take being a swntimonster in strides.
Felix being a sentimonster can work if he becomes a more relevant character (like being the one who steals the peacock miraculous and maybe moves to Paris so he's a more constant presence?)
What if the reason Felix and Adrien are identical (if the Adrien is a sentimonster is true) than maybe Emilie designed Adrien that way to look like Felix.
Exactly. Emilie could have faked a pregnancy when her twin sister was pregnant and when Amilie gave birth, visited her or insisted that Amilie and baby Felix visit them as soon as Amilie was up for traveling. Made sure that she was alone with Felix long enough to create a Sentimonster and then hand Felix back to his mom and a few days later pretended to have given birth. Not quite foolproof but it would get her a child.
Maybe if Adrien knew where his mom has been the whole time and why he's dad has been protecting him since then and how important Nathalie is to them in their lives since she's the closet person he has to a mom and how awesome it would be if his dad fall in love for her and the two marry and Adrien got a stepmom who knows how to fight?
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
im curious as to why the majority of sentimonsters that are created are clones of real people. Maybe that's why they look alike. One of them is a clone of the other
Actually, most sentimonsters in the show don't look like people at all. Take Optigami and Reflektadoll for example. In fact, as far as I remember, there were only three sentimonsters (that we know of for sure) who looked like people (or clones thereof): SentiLadybug, SentiNino and Sentibubbler
The only thing I hate about the theory is thing is ring but after watching crocoduel item, being shatter but intact. Since butterfly and peacock are similar a bit
I always believed he had something related to an amok, or the peacock miraculous; not in the sense that he only exists because of it, but it affects him in some way like being forcing him to be obedient, subservient, etc. The fact that Felix changed after his dad died into being more "mischievous" is similar to how Adrien became more "rebellious" after his mom died (so after 14 years of confinement, he randomly wants to go to school NOW?) This could also explain why his childhood dream was "to be whatever my parents wanted me to be". Emilie was getting sick but something drastic must have put her into a coma (like, how is Nathalie still conscious and energized enough to still do work for Gabriel ??)
Something the Sentimonster theory leaves out is Amelie. Like she does not find it weird her son and nephew are identical? I don't buy it. I think she and Felix are the sentimonsters, hence why they're doppelgangers of Emilie and Adrien. I just don't know why Emilie created them? Maybe as duplicates for her and Adrien so they could be in two places at once...? I do think it's really imporant to note that Emilie does wear a brooch that her sister does not, but they are otherwise identical barring the colour of their clothing. Maybe Amelie's amok is inside it. The other thing that is often left out is that surely Gabe's wish would be to have his son be real, right? Because if Adrien had been real all along, then Emilie would never need the Peacock Miraculous. Two birds, one stone. He clearly doesn't care about controlling his son, or he would have taken Emilie's ring long ago, right? And surely he'd make use of it- he seems aware that Ladybug and Cat Noir likely go to school with his son. Alya figured it out back in Season 1 that they went to the same school and I'm fairly sure she posted it to the Ladyblog (this was in "Pharaoh" if anyone is curious). So why not order Adrien to ask around and phrase it as Gabriel's own benign curiosity?
Yep. You need a good middle ground for a reveal like this. Someone who is important enough to the story for the Senti reveal to impact the plot but not so important it negatively impacts how you view one of the characters. To me, Felix being a senti has the potential to be interesting. It all depends on how the show utilizes him going forward
I swear to god if they pull this Adrien is a sentimoster shit out of no where and forget about it the next episode, or it turns out to be a fake out, I’m going to throw myself into the void
I think Adrien and Felix are sentimonster. And chat noir will be revealed this season. Which will give Gabriel the upper hand and akumitized ladybug or Marinette. However the battle will end with both peacock and cat miraculous being damaged but killing Adrien at the end. Lila comes up knocks out Gabriel only to be knocked out by Marinette who has been broken. And takes the butterfly miraculous for herself and becomes the villain of season 5. Alya takes on the role of ladybug while she tries to figure out why Marinette is being the New Hawkmoth Nightmaria. And Marinette’s akumas are a lot harder to defeat. Plagg tried to steal the book but only gets enough to fix his ring. But revealing the other thing. In the finale battle Alix is summoned to go back in time.
For the record, I don't care one way or the other as long as it makes sense and is well incorporated into the plot. With that said, how hilarious would it be if Adrien wasn't a senti-monster, it's just that the writers love to screw with the fandom?
They are both sentimonsters. Thomas is going to kill both of them off in the end and Marinette lives happily ever after with Luka. This show upsets me. Please review Umbrella Academy when season 3 drops. I love your comments, you crack me up. ✌️
It would explain why Adrien is so obedient and never stands up to his father. Plus why he doesn't openly defends his friends at school to not rock the boat
I think they'll kill him. I think he'll be brought back after a few min to an episode but if he's a sentimonster he'll briefly die, its an incredible finale plot line that is still shocking and devastating even when it's predicted
And again as I mentioned in the review for Gabriel Agreste. I still think Felix being a sentimonster is actually a red herring and Gabe was just threatening him to give his ring back, again has anyone seen MiraculouslyLazy's video on how Gabriel Agreste is not proof Felix is a sentimonster yet?
Oh I remember in the episode Felix when his mom says sorry for his behavior his dad isn't around to control him or something like that Felix interrupts her and also they only name episodes after akumized villans and sentimonsters HMMMM?? Idk at this point..
As I said before it would make sense if Adrien is a sentimonster, because if Felix and Lila found out about it he would pose a real threat to his friends if that was the case when Felix is the next Hawk Moth and Lila is the next Peacock Miraculous holder
I'm still holding out hope for a pet theory: the twin rings are a new miraculous jewel we learn about in the London special. They have the power to duplicate objects (but if used on a person, into a good twin & an evil twin). Support: Dr. Jekyll was from London. The London special so far seems to indicate a pink and a blue sister, but only talk about Miss Rose, maybe indicating the blue sister is the bad one. Amelie & Emilie are identical sisters (which makes sense), but Felix & Adrien are identical cousins (which doesn't). Maybe Amelie is the good twin, but Emilie was jealous of her baby so made a copy for herself. *** Felix even admits he made a copy of the ring he stole from Uncle Gabe. The showrunners like to expand the story in the specials so far; confirming new miraculous boxes then a new type of magic amulet. The twin rings could be either. This would be a plausible way for the showrunners to give hints about sentimonsters, but still leave open a small pivot into a new idea in the end. Maybe when the villain snaps, Adrien and Felix re-absorb into each other, instead of Adrien just disappearing/dying. *** If Emilie is the evil twin, maybe Gabriel is actually in love with Nathalie (which explains a bit), but he is slavishly devoted to his master Emilie, the true supervillain of S5-S7.
There has been a spoiler for either Season 4 or 5 that "Chat Noir" or Adrien WILL DIE... And Ladybug must fight to bring him back. It's been a while since this spoiler was released but I'm always keeping it in mind; it also explains to why Gabriel Agreste holds little to no emotional attachment to his son, especially in the paradoxes, "Chat Blanc" and "Ephermal" I believe Adrien will be killed sometime soon by having Gabriel strip the amok from the ring or object holding the amok... This will be a tear-jerking scene for never once has Gabriel tried killing his creation... He only used him to his advantage being the worst case scenario. I feel this will be Gabriel's desperate attempt to stop Ladybug but will affect him also, for this was a treasured creation of Emilie's.... What'cha think? ^_^
Hawkmoth seems to know what his sentimonsters are doing at all times the same way he can see what Akumatised people are doing, so if Adrien is one then shouldn't Hawkmoth already know he's Chat Noir?
Astruc needs to learn that what can make cute fanart/fanfics DOESN'T necessarily make good canon. This is hands down the best example. Adrien secretly being a sentimonster has seriously disturbing implications. Either he's essentially really complex NPC-style programming (totally destroying the romantic subplot this story revolves around) OR all the sentimonsters are equal to humans, which literally infinitely increases the on-screen death toll. SO cringe!
Here’s the thing if Adrian is a sentimonster then y is Gabriel so over protective of him if something bad happened to Adrian like if he died he could just make a new Adrian
Because that would be a Messed mindset to have. If you have a Child you shouldn't be Overprotective of it because you can just make a Brand new one. Sentimonster or Not that still his Child that he taken care of for 15 years. You cant just replace Experiences like that. I dont have a Child but i have a Pet and even though i can replace her i will still do everything in my power to protect it.
Because Adrien is Emilie's creation. He said that after she "disappeared" Adrien is all that was left from her (then he added the Grimoire and the rings but you get the idea)
My theroery . The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with) When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere) So they are both senti momsters . Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory) Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous __
8:02 yeah… no one would care that the only person who has been successful of keeping most of the miraculous in their possession (or in this case passed it on to someone else) gets killed… yeah no one would care that the biggest game changer character of the show gets wiped from existence… felix? Who’s felix? It’s not like he stole most of the miraculous without it actually being part of his plan of the day
What if........ Gabriel and Emily couldn't have kids? But Emily's sister, Amelie could. So they steal the baby Felix whom they rename Adrien and make a perfect copy of him so that Amelie would never know. I don't think that Emily's personality would end up being any better than Gabriel's at this point. Yeah... that's the little theory I've come up with.... it has plenty of holes though for sure. And I don't really like the idea of them being sentimonsters.
What if the reason Adrien and Felix look so alike is because only one of them is a human, and the other is an exact sentimonster copy? Like, the human one was used as a base?
A piece of evidence is in the titles to the episode. There are 3 episode that are just someones name, ladybug, Felix and now Gabriel Agreste. In ladybug and in gab's episode the title was the name of the sentimonster, like how every other episode is named after the villain. So Felix having a episode named after him seems intentional.
I think that just mean they will be the Antagonist of the Episode. Like for instance if Lila get no powers and is the main focus of the Episode it would just be Called Lila.
@@KavinCatastrophe Felix episode would have been prefectly named "the punisher trio" but they chose naming it Felix instead. We have yet to see an episode named after a civilian that is not a sentimonster though. What would happen if one episode in season 5 is called Adrien Agreste? That would be nuts!
something about the theory is that in chat blanc when gabe/hawkmoth tried to get adriens miraculous instead of just clicking him out of existence he akumatized him
Astruc changes the longer-term plans for the show whenever he wants. If the fandom figures something out: he changes it so that they didn't figure it out. If the fandom has a theory that he loves: the theory becomes canon... for a while, until he finds a new and better twist
If we exclude the Chloe redemption arc
Actually I follow Thomas on Twitter and he mentioned they finished writing season 4 ages ago like after a quick Twitter search in 2018 or 2019 possibly? Therefore it would have been impossible for them to change major plot points by now. (do your research) Sure I could see them changing some of the minor details but I doubt it would have been possible for them to go and change major plot threads. Apparently they aren’t even allowed to read fan-fiction (probably for copyright reasons). Also they’ve already finished season 5 back in 2020 so if the fandom randomly starts up another theory soon that ends up being right it’s possible it most likely would not be due to the fan base’s influence.
@- SageAegis - yeah sure, he added a whole new plot in a span of a year...
@@dearestgoodlove are you actually comparing a live action series with a 3d animation series? The time it takes to do the latter is much more.
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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My guess: The writers got to know about the theory, incorporated hints that would support it, but in the end they'll throw it away, just like they did with Chloe's redemption arc c':
Chloe's aborted redemtion arc makes sense though
Can't say I would be surprised if they did.
i doubt it they'll just make it an never ending tease like adrienette being cannon, so they don't have to deal with the actual backlash of ever making it cannon, and the fandom would be stuck wondering if their making it cannon or not.
@@vladimir3905 Yeah, by Thomas' not letting her.
I wouldn't call it an arc she'd go through development one episode and the be back to square one the next how is the season 3 finale any different
It does kind of feel that the creators heard of the Adrien-is-a-sentimonster theory and decided to incorporate it somewhere between season 3 and 4 because Adrien acts very differently in season 4 from what he used to be like.
My bet is that Adrien and Felix are senti-twins who were made from the same amok, put into the twin rings. Could also be that one of them was made to resemble the other (not sure which one). Having said that, I'll also be equally happy if it turns out neither of them is a sentimonster, but then the creators have a lot of clues to explain.
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They spinned the babies around to not know wit h is the sentimonster so they can love them.
I bet it’s just the writers being bored and wanting to annoy and stress fans about it lol
@@user-hi3jr2sc6z I wouldn't put it past them, heh
@Edward Red Mendoza This theory has also been there for a while. Plus, they had all the months of the initial lockdown to assess the fans' mood. I guess we'll never know for sure...
I’m really worried Miraculous Ladybug is gonna go the way of Pretty Little Liars by the end of the series; a show runner too busy on outsmarting the fans that it starts to throw ideas it took from the fandom to throw off the scent, instead of following the original plan, just to be like “SEE, you THOUGHT this would happen but, boo your ideas! I MAKE THE CHARACTERS KISS”
Yeah... Something about the writers or the creator himself that rubs me the wrong way is that they seem to be making things out of spite rather than out of love for the story and the characters. It's off-putting and frankly unprofessional of them.
What makes you believe this wasn't their plan all along?
@@kcluna2187 do you have an example of that?
i feel like the "adrien is a sentimonster" theory could be rly good if its written correctly but these are the writers of miraculous we're talking about. like i dont want them rushing it and it feels like its been rly suddenly placed into the show so i rly hope this theory isnt true because my brain will explode 😂
Then what about the people who were theorizing about it since season 3?
Both my brain and heart would hurt this is so complicated 😭
The writers are for sure teasing the Sentimonster theory to keep the fandom entertained. But in the end there will probably never be a resolution to this. Or at least I wouldn’t be surprised.
The dialogue in “Gabriel Agreste” was very vague and equivocal: Gabriel is threatening Felix but at the same time he’s not admitting anything, like being Hawk Moth, or that Felix is a sentimonster. He could also simply mean that he is so rich and powerful that he could destroy Felix and Amelie just like that, only because of his social status, his money, his influence. One of the better scenes in S4 so far imo…
Idk, disagree with that last bit. The Graham De Vanilys strike me as an old money type of family personally. Have no way of knowing if this is true however lol but they definitely would have way more connections than Gabriel who is just a fashion designer mind you, not a mob boss. I definitely think what he told Felix was more nefarious because Felix looked legitimately threatened. Whether people like the theory or not, it undeniably gets one thinking about Adrien's family story. I think a shift in focus is needed because the romance aspect of the show gets a little tiring after a while.
@Edward Red Mendoza i mean- stealing could possibly trash Felix's look in the family if they maintain an image of being good people or smth-
so he could use that (considering he most likely would have cameras near that secret entrance to make sure no one gets in there/maybe after Adrien took that book that one time)-
If they do go with it, the writers will just make something up out of thin air to ensure that Adrien can't be killed. Something like, "The longer a human sentimonster lives, the harder it is to make them not exist."
Nah they'd just be like "ladybug has the power of creation and the miraculous's limit is whatever the holder sets it to, so she can recrreate adriend as a normal boy!!!"
@@Konpeimimibro the ladybug is fucking overpowered 😭
The only way for it to work with Adrien being a sentimonster, would be if they want a tragic end for the whole show. We are talking, they defeat Hawkmoth, there is no more need of the miraculous and they get put into dormancy, and somehow that affects Adrien, meaning he would die.
I just don't see them making a happy ending with Adrien as a sentimonster. It just seems... meh to be me.
Adrien being a sentimonster isn't that bad!
I mean...after they defeat Hawkmoth, a new one will come (as the shows states) and even if they defeat Hawkmoth, Senti Adrien will obtain the item with his amok and he will be free and have his own will! That would be great wouldn't it?
Also, Miraculous is a show for kids...I doubt that a character (especially an important character such as Adrien) would die. Even if he does...that would be very traumatic for children so Adrien would be brought back to life somehow.
All in all, Adrien being a sentimonster is not all that bad.
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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The writers are playing a dangerous game. It seems very risky to give a MAIN character to ability to just snap out of existance.
I really hope this sentimonster thing is really a red herring to get ppl to keep watching.
As far as astruc cares, adrien isnt a main character
I feel like the twist is going to be that they are twins, Emilie is their mom but that Gabriel is not their biofather; he doesn't likes Felix but he cares about Adrien bcos he raised him, maybe Felix's dad was their real dad?( "The parent trap"-style kinda deal)
Also kinda unrelated but Emilie must have tried to do some sentimonster so weird that it broke the miraculous and insta-put her in that coma, because Adrien have never commented that she was sick like Nathalie (and we've seen Mayura making LOTS of SM and just now is bedridden), she just "disappeared" one day
Adrien did comment about Emilie's state. "Mother also used to have dizzy spells"
Adrien has said his mother was sick and apparently they did hold a funeral for her…. (Though that seems to be a hasty retcon)
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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Personally, I'd actually be quite interested in seeing Felix turn out to be a sentimonster. Sure, Felix hasn't done much thus far, but they're clearly building up to something for him now that he knows Gabriel's identity. I think it'd be interesting to see a sentimonster rise up against Shadow Moth and become something of a third faction, opposed to both the heroes and the villains.
Adrien being a sentimonster, meanwhile... no. Like, is that really how anyone would want the show to end? With Adrien's entire life turning out to be a lie, and his continued existence being contingent on the Peacock remaining in sympathetic hands? There's no happy ending there, no Miraculous Ladybug power to set _that_ right. That could probably work in some shows, but not this one.
Even if this theory was real
There's an idea💡 to fix this
Even If Emile agreste come back from the dead and release adrien agreste from existence
Ladybug/marienete can use peacock Miraculus with lady bug
And combine them together because of having the power of creation miraculus Ladybug can bring Adrien Agreste back to reality ladybug basically recreate Adiren agrest not as a sentimonster but as a real human being
@@wwinklee5558 no just no
@@izawa9211 yes you're right
I think both Adrien and Felix are sentimonsters and the reason why both being sentimonsters is important to the plot is to show duality and how two people can react differently to a tragedy. How some use it as an excuse to do bad things while others rise above it and rebuild their lives.
I remember someone doing a comic of Adrien beign part sentimonster. He was born normally but he died on a freak accident and Emilie revive him by creating a heart for him with the peacock miraculous.
Yea me too, someone also showed that the lucky charm now owned by Adrien was give to Mari after putting the amuck in it. That after she gave him that back he owned himself, which was half proved wrong because well 🤡
yeah I saw that too and it was pretty good for the most part... except for the beginning of that comic, that was a bit weird... also did Adrien's Amok need to be Mari's bracelet? that's a bit too convenient!
if they were to go down the route of him being a sentimonster human hybrid I think something they could do with it would be to remove his amok WITHOUT killing him. they would see him being mind controlled as too much of a risk so they give a surgeon the Peacock and the Snake Miraculous so that they can identify which parts of Adrien aren't real and give him transplants to save his life, using second chance as a failsafe in case anything goes wrong (basically quicksave scumming through surgery). I think if handled correctly this could be a tense sequence that could have some interesting payoff. just an idea I came up with just now
Another reason why people think Adrien is a Sentimonster is because The painting of Emilie is based on Gustav Klimt's piece Adele Bloch Bauer I. Interesting to note, Adele's life parallels what we know about Emilie in many notable ways:The woman in the original painting, was childless despite attempts to have children.
Wow! I didn't know that
Him being a Sentimonster would destroy the series for me even if there is evidence.
This could lead to Marinette uniting Chats and her Miraculouses just to make Adrien a real human being.
This is probably gonna be an ep like chat Blanc, had an impact but was run off by bias and the miraculous ladybug power
hide this from the writers please, you never know
I agree that they've fallen in love with it... Which is why they're bringing back Felix, because they can put it on him without sacrificing Adrien's humanity.
I think a Felix sentimonster reveal could work if the writers don't treat it as a dramatic emotional scene
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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The writer's seem to have a very rigid plan already in place for the story. A lame plan, but a fully thought out plan. I just don't think they'd change the plan to make Adrien a sentimonster, I'm pretty sure they're just pulling our collective chain.
Well, this appears to have aged like 2% milk.😅
Your video makes a great point. For years, Adrien never had a chance to tell his story, his way. Even if he wasn't a senti-being, he has always been controlled by his dad and probably his mom too. Becoming Chat Noir was Adrien's way of breaking free, but he hasn't dealt with or addressed any of his trauma. It's been pushed to the side, to be dealt with never.
But if he's a senti, he will have to address what happened to him and face the fundamental question he has in season 4: Does he belong, is he needed?
But While this does make a Great Story I really Dont trust the Writers to pull this off Perfectly. But then it like should a Writers not take risk with their Storytelling or should they just play it safe and let it remain Boring. I dont know. But their has been many kids show that has gotten Complicated and Dark over the years. Amphibia comes to mind recently so im pretty sure People can handle it and it will be one of those shows that people will remember for it twist.
Yeah they’ve kept it simple in the first 2 seasons, season 3 was somewhat simple but they started introducing more concepts and now season 4 has even more of that
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Not going to lie but I like the simplicity of the show plus I’m not sure the writers can pull off some of these dark concepts. We all seen Cat Blanc and it was a mess because it was rushed and needed more time to flesh it out, maybe they could pull it off if they made important episodes either than the finale be 2-3 part episodes like the did with the Queen Bee episodes.
@@snatchingcareers4681 Chat Blanc and ephemeral were a mess because of a lot of executive meddling in both episode. It was not the writers fault.
@@snatchingcareers4681 they wanted to make Chat Blanc darker but channels wouldn’t allow it, so they simply can’t make the sentimonster thing feel dark
@Breyer Horse Studios How could they make Chat Blac Darker? Didnt Ladybug and Hawkmoth die? Didn't Paris get completely destroyed. What was they planning on bringing in Demons as well?
“This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!”
yes😂😂
there's a chance they're feeding onto/heavily implying this theory to entertain the fandom but not actually doing it. i'd rather that be the case, because this is a cool twist but has to be written very carefully, writing it would basically be like walking on eggshells, and just like you said i don't trust their writing skills to cover this up that well... since season 4's writing has gone downhill.
besides, the theory is kind of creepy- no matter how you put it the name is senti*monster* bro ^^; adrien turning out to be one wouldn't only weird us out and break our brains, it would affect adrien really, really bad. poor boy is already going through so much family trauma.
felix being a sentimonster, however, would work very well. it's a cool turn and it's not that important if they don't execute it well.
Yess I would also he heart broken he has been through so much I really hope this theory doesn’t play
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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If he is a sentimonster, there has to be some sort of plot twist or something so gabe cant just snap his fingers and get rid of him, maybe he can slightly control him but he has to of grown to powerful to be fully controlled, idk.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it only the creator of the sentimonster that can get rid of it? So in this case, probably emily since she used the peacock and is down for the count. And given we've seen sentimonsters gain awareness outside themselves enough to rebel and even take back their item to be able to control themselves, that gives you a good base to work off of
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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woah woah WOAH! he's insane sure but he's not gonna just kill his own son!
İ like and want it because its more serious and dramatic like not just Audiences hearts break but also marinettes and adriens and its goood
I think it'd make the show more interesting too. But I don't really like how they started to implement all these clues in the fourth season.
@@everythinggirly916 yeah they cant handle things well
@@everythinggirly916 I was thinking the same!
I mean, I really loved the concept of that theory too... but in case if this turn out to be either canon or confirmed in this season, it'd be kinda forced or something for me 🤔
Imo, it'd have been better if we had more explicit hints that Adrien is a senti back then in season one :P
@Everything Girly Well you can kind of say they been hinting it. It just they haven't been Hinting it to Hard. Everything about Adrien living a Shelter Life could be Attribute to him having Overprotective Parents or them Keeping him a Secret. Gabriel considered Adrien to Be Perfect and When you have someone Perfect you cant help but Show it Off to the World which is Why Adrein is a Model. Adrien is Allergic to Feathers yeah anyone Can be allergic to feathers but Hey Maybe his Body just hates how his life is tie to a Feather. And the painting of Emily is a Painting similar to real life about a Woman being childless. So while Season 4 Is getting more Heavy with the Hinting you could say they been Hinting all along it just that these hints could have been connected to something else and we just didn't realize it.
Wait, is it possible for Sentimonsters to even grow up? They’re inorganic life forms, and therefore not organisms, and one of the key traits of organisms is the ability to grow. Until Astruc and the writers choose to address it, Adrien being seen as a baby stands to be one of the reasons he can’t be a Sentimonster, unless Gabe or Emelie just decided to constantly change his physical appearance every year to make it look like he was growing like any other person.
GOOD POINT!
If the sentimonster is created to grow as a human being, then it will
I think there is a thought to be had about the host object for the amok being the TWIN rings. We have seen many times before that there isn't a strict 1 object per person per akuma/amok. Many times we have seen one object being related to multiple people getting affected (like gang of secrets). And more recently, we have seen an akuma enter an object that then SPLIT (crocoduel). This would then give us reason to believe that the amok for Adrien/Felix is within both the rings at the same time. Now, what effect would that have? To name a few, it could mean that one needs both rings to control Adrien, which is why he has started to develop some independence ever since there was one person at a time wearing the ring while ordering him. It could also mean the twin rings produced twin sentimonsters, which the Graham de Vanilly twins adopted one each, and that's why Adrien and Felix are identical. The amok could also be more complex to remove, seeing as in Crocoduel the object had to be reunited and destroyed alltogether to be freed of the akuma, so if one ring got damaged the sentimonster could still remain. These are just some of the thoughts I've had, and there is most likely much more to think about regarding the twin rings.
I think Adrien is a sentimonster cause why would Emily use the peacock miraculous in the first place. Also in the Shanghai special on airplane Gabriel did said he been doing this for 15 years.
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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I HATE the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster.
Watch gabriel be the one who is actually a sentimonster lol
Gabe is being controlled by Thomas, BIG PLOT TWIST, CALLING IT NOW!
LOL!
I think the Graham de Vanilys are the descendants of twin sentibeings; that's why they're perfect and always come in pairs. Also it would give Felix a reason to want the Peacock miraculous, because the idea of Peacock Felix is popular.
honestly MLB doesn't feel like it's own show, i have noticed that every famous theory has been done in the show, the show is like for the fandom to dump their ideas in
You know that guessing about possible theories and being right doesn't mean the series is doing what the fandom makes up, don't you?
@@vladimir3905 you know its imposible too have every famous theory too be correct right
@@izawa9211 every theory? What other theory has been proven right? Look at season five for example: everyone was dissappointed that Ladybug will get a miraculous per episode because it was too predictable. Now they're like this 🤡
It's true that evidence supporting the theory has been piling up this season but come on, it's impossible for the writers to know about the theory right at the end of season 3 and then making it canon in season 4. The times just don't add up.
I don't think it was planned from the very beginning of the show but rather with the release of season 2 (in which we have Emilie inside the chamera, the introduction of the peacock miraculous, Emilie's film, Solitude, with the twin rings logo, etc...)
If this theory is true, I think it's actually quite likely it was always planned.
@@kabsageigj8941exactly,emily portrait was always there from season 1
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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🤨I think Filex is a sentemonster because every episode title in the show was about either a super villan (ephemeral,reflecta,antibug)
Or a sentemonster (Gabriel agrest,ladybug,Feast,reflectdoll)
So why episode Felix wasn't named the treopunshers that probably means Felix a sentemonster.
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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I think someone in the cast is a SentiMonster, but I think Adrien and Felix are both red herrings. Adrien would be TOO big of a reveal, especially with a show that loves the status quo as much as this show does. And Felix would be kind of a non-reveal, since he hasn't shown up enough to make us really care. To me, it seems like most SentiMonsters have a one track mind. They're created with a goal in mind. So, lets look at some possibilities.
There's Gorilla aka Adrian's Bodyguard...which again, no one would care about. But, having a moment when he sacrifices himself for Adrien could be kind of heartwarming. Emily might have made someone to protect her son for her. Probably my least likely candidate.
There's Nathalie the secretary, which I think has a pretty good chance of being a SentiMonster. She's basically a stand in for Emilie (their names even rhyme). She's kind of taken the role of "wife" to Gabriel and "mother" to Adrien. So if Emilie were to ever wake up...Nathalie doesn't really have any point to exist anymore. Plus, we've kind of grown to know and like her over the show's run. It would have a little bit of a impact. I'd be a way for the show to have a consequence...but not really since Emilie could just easily slide into Nathalie's place in the show.
But then there's my favorite pick...Gabriel aka Hawkmoth himself. He's obsessed with bringing his wife back. Single-minded about it. Maybe the REAL Gabriel's been dead all along and Emilie tried to bring him back to life in her grief. And having a moment where Hawkmoth has to sacrifice his own life to bring back his "wife" after realizing that HE was the cause of Emilie's coma all along...that could be great. And then, Emilie might get obsessed with getting the Peacock miraculous back again so she can do it all over again, giving the show a brand-new villain.
I feel like Nathalie's the most likely pick, but Gabriel would be the most interesting. Or...maybe it's someone else. Or maybe it really is Adrien.
Wow that Nat Theory is really great tho. And it makes sense!
I think the Adrien and Felix as sentimonsters is immensely stupid. People are so obsessed with being the one to crack the secret that they fall victim to Apophenia which is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. I think Adrien being more submissive to his father in these moments is just the writers emphasizing the toxic nature of their relationship, the same with the wishmaker episode. The whole thing with Gabe rubbing the ring is a coping mechanism. When you experience loss like the loss of your wife it can be all consuming and people find ways of coping, some more positive than others. Gabe rubbing the ring is some sort of coping mechanism when Adrien wanting to disobey him gets in the way of his plans as Shadowmoth which are to get his wife back. So they aren’t sentimonsters, Gabe is just coping and Adrien is just too obedient for his own good.
In Ephemeral Adrien couldn't fight back the akumatization right after Gabriel touched his ring... Too much of a stretch to think it's just a copying mechanism.
@@vladimir3905 he just got hit like a freight train with his moms corps on ice under his house and the fact that his dad is shadowmoth. Now either one of those would be enough to send you over the deep end and think back to Cat Blanc where he was so distraught over learning his dad was Shadowmoth then so Im pretty sure Adrien just isn’t able to cope with that much negative emotions. Would you be able to?
@@storymaster164 the timing of him trying to resist the akumatization, then Gabriel touching his finger and giving an order and then Adrien suddenly giving his miraculous in almost a robotic way is too convenient
@@vladimir3905 The animation could've made it seem robotic, it sometimes looks weird so it is debetable whether it was intentional or not. To me, he looks like he just simply gave up fighting his father because he wants his mother back just as much as Gabriel. Gabriel didn't give him an order, he had _asked_ : "Do you understand me, son?" Gabriel didn't need to force him to obey, they both know what Adrien wants. Adrien's face is one of resignation. He gave in to the promise of power to bring Emillie back, as Gabriel expected. The fact he didn't bother to try to save Marinette shows that between her and his family, he will choose his parents, his mother specifically.
We have seen Nino, Alya, Felix and Chloe break from the akumatization because they let go of their negative emotion and inner desire. Adrien's dialogue to Hawkmoth: _you can't ask me to do that_ sounds to me like he knows he's fighting a losing battle. We have seen how much Adrien misses Emillie. He would give in, sentimonster or not.
@@XMewMoonLightAkitaoX I don't know. They could've conveyed everything you put without touching his finger twice in the episode. And it's not just the action by itself, it's also the timing in which the scene it's shown: Adrien following Gabriel's will almost automatically after that. Way too sus to be just "Adrien wants his mum back".
Part 1: Adrien
I hate this theory. This is coming from someone who liked it at one point.
I think the writers are messing with the fans considering how many times they tried to debunk it and fans wouldn’t shut up about it.
First, the rings act more as a symbol and reminder of what Gabriel is fighting for. He even fiddles with it when Adrien is not in the room to be controlled. I like the theory other fans had if him checking to see if the ring is still there because Felix stole it the first time.
Here is where the symbolism comes in. In order to do that, let me tell you a story. I have someone in my life that bullies me a lot. If I try to talk or stand up for myself, she turns it up to 11 out of five. I try to turn it up, she dials it ip even more to the point that the only option for me is to shut up and take it. This is why I can’t speak to this person anymore. Sadly, she is a relative and I have to put up with her.
This is how Gabriel treats Adrien. Every time Adrien resists, Gabriel fiddles the ring to remind himself to dial it up further to het Adrien to obey. It is getting to the point that Adrien does not have any fight left in him so he obeys to make things easier on them.
This is an abused and traumatized boy with no support system. He is barely with his friends. Ladybug treats him like shite half of the time. It makes sense how Adrien is easily subservient.
Hey, I'm sorry there's someone who bullies you :(
@@katiat7278 thanks for saying that. at least I am living apart from her and don’t have to see her as much as I used to. That is a bright side.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 It's really good that you can (usually?) distance yourself from her in your everyday life. Let's hope for this kind of development for Adrien, too :)
@@katiat7278 yeah someone adopt him please. I have a head cannon that while Felix is an antihero, he one day will ask his mom to adopt Adrien and get him out of there. Either him or the bodyguard or both.
Honestly I would like for your explanation to be it actually makes sense. Either way I’m super heart broken for Adrian he doesn’t deserve all of this:\ and same goes to you I hope you can find peace
While I agree that this theory makes sense I really hope it isn’t true. I hate the idea that adrien is a sentimonster so much. If one of them has to be a sentimonster I would much rather it be felix but I wouldn’t like that much either.
Yes I completely agree with you!! I think Adrien being a sentimonster will kind of ruin the plotline of the show. If anyone out of them both had to be a sentimonster then I'd prefer it to be Felix...
If I said it once....
THEY BETTER NOT BE A SENTIMONSTER!!
If Adrien is, I will not be watching the show AT ALL once that's revealed; this theory F's up the 'Love Square' b/c the possibility of him 'dying' and Marinette losing her love of her life is a VERY sour outcome.
If Felix is, I'll still watch it honestly b/c then we will be seeing that 'Fight for Survival' scenario; how far will someone go to continue to live, especially if he is the Future Hawkmoth --- cuz I DON'T wanna see Lila Bitch anywhere NEAR that Butterfly miraculous.
Part 2: Felix
While we did not see him a lot, felix has a lot of resentment to Gabriel. Why?
I am sensing he was abused by Gabriel like Adrien has. Thank lord for his mother because she took him away from that nonsense.
The snap of his fingers statement seemed more metaphorical to me. He is a powerful man with high status who can have anyone follow his orders with just a snap of his fingers which is scarier. Imagine having a hitman on standby to do your dirty work and hide people after they are killed and made it like they never existed. I believe Felix acted it to it this way. He barely understands how the Miraculous works. How could he know he is a sentimonster?
Also, he broke free easily. If he was a sentimonster, how did he have the power to do that? Also, he gave Gabriel a copy of the ring.
The part that confused me is when Gabriel said, “think of your mother” Emelie shot in frame. Does this mean Emelie is Felix’s mom? This also explains why Felix was scared. Not only was he threatened but his mom was. His mom treats him well and provides a happy home life for him. If she is gone, who dies she have left?
I am overthinking or overanalyzing this here, but this seems to be two stories of abuse and trauma not sentimonsters.
Gabriel doesn't have the ring that aparently contained Felix's Amok so he could be able to break free from akumatization, unlike Adrien in Ephemeral.
@@vladimir3905 this is why it does not make sense. That is why i feel they are mocking us because they put in whatever information they want to make us feel like they are a sentimonster but not making it consistent.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 But it does make sense, Gabriel now has the ring to control Adrien, which was previosuly with Emilie, that's why he couldn't break his akumatization in Ephemeral. But Felix could because Gabriel now doesn't have the ring to control him. Still, he can erase him due to holding the peacock miraculous.
Of course we still don't have concrete proof to confirm the theory but, I have to admit, it is pretty consistent thus far. The only """plot hole"" I see with the theory is why Gabriel didn't use the ring up till this season? But that's more lack of information than a plot hole. You people are just bitter about the possibility of being canon and I guess it's easy for you to blame the writers for that.
@@vladimir3905 i was all for this until you said “you people”just because we disagree. If this was set up in season 1 and not in season 4, I would be behind it, but they didn’t.
It is easy to blame the writers because they do this all of the time. They keep making stuff ip at the last second and taunt us. Look at all the reveals. They give us what we want and mind wipe everyone without leaving big consequences.
The LadyNoir kiss is not a big consequence and Marinette having one dream is not a big consequence. If she was mire worried about Cat Blanc, she should have more nightmares and not treat him like a stupid idiot all of the time.
My problem is not the evidence, but the consistency. The rules are all over the place instead of having them be consistent. This is why I don’t believe the theory and one more reason why I do not like the writers.
The premises keep me interested but the poor character development that they keep removing whenever they want and the rules not making sense keep deterring me away from the show sometimes.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 You say the rules are all over the place but that's simply not true?? You can blame the show for all the things you've said (except for the identity reveal like, why would you want only one when you can have it being played out in different scenarios?), but you have to admit the theory makes sense. But then again, I think it's easier for you to just blame the writers and being salty about it.
the theory was there since season 1 and there was so many evidence even back then i think the writers made him a sentimonster from the start but they gave little hints trough the seasons
Exactly, thinking they are making it canon after the theory was made up doesn't make too much sense.
No??? It's literally impossible for the "Adrien is a sentimonster" theory to exist in season 1 since we didn't even know sentimonsters existed yet
@@diegomartinezquezada4797 maybe not season 1 since we didn't even know about Emilie's state and Gabriel's true intentions for wanting the miraculous. But it can be possible that the idea of Adrien being a sentimonster was made up during season 2, since there were more foreshadowing about it.
@@vladimir3905 Yeh, probably. I'm not debating that tho
@@diegomartinezquezada4797 now that i've seen some comments about it, the first time we saw Emilie's painting (which is based of the painting of a woman who was unable to conceive children) was in season 1 so... yeah, it could have been planned from the very beginning.
I despise this theory.
same
same
Am I the only one who's like "They're Probably just trolling us, Who cares?" 🙄
I think both but Adrien is for sure. My reason is because as a child development expert; infants and toddlers do not understand the concept of growing up. They don't know what a birthday is or that they are going to get older. At that age, they think that they are going to still the same size. They only know I am hungry, wet/poopy, and sleeping. That's it!
Senti-children sounds pretty interesting.
What if Felix is the original and Emily being depressed for not being able to have children creates a sentimonster to resemble Felix, who is what we know today as Adrien.
We can also assume it the other way around, see, what if felix and Adrien were actually twins and one of them passed away smh, to help the sister who's son passed away , they recreated the alive kid as a sentimonster and so one of them can be sentimonster
I undoubtedly believe in this sentimonster theory. I don't think Felix is a sentimonster. Agreed.However, I think Adrien is. Even my own opinion on this theory has changed with time.
I think Felix got hold of the peacock miraculous in order to avoid wrong creation of sentimonsters. What if he was the real Agreste son, but was imperfect and did not obey his parents, instead lives his life as he wished? And so, they created senti - Adrien and forced Felix to stay silent, gave him to his aunt who didn't have children? I think realistically, Adrien wouldn't be this obedient. The show is set in modern day young generation. In reality, if a parent was this controlling, normal children would try to run away, openly say no and even complain. Realistically, no normal young person, especially western young generation as this is set in France, would be THIS obedient to such an abusive and controlling parent. Or obey them 100%. Come on guys, if you had a parent like this, wouldn't you complain to social services? Refuse to obey whatsoever they want? Try to run away. I think most of you would.
Everyone needs to quit with the Adrian’s a sentimonster. No while Adrian can be a push over he’s not a sentimonster.
Felix is the smartest person in this show
All the more reason why he might become the next future Hawk Moth and try to destroy his uncle and cousin when he learns everything
I f felix Is a sentimonster,then he would have the perfect motive to want ladybug and chat nois miraculous
Isn't that the same as Markov's motivation? Like to become a real person or something? Unless Gabe isn't truly defeated and he is still pursuing the same goal to get his wish without the butterfly and peacock miraculous, i feel like no one would be a threat to Felix so why would he need the ladybug and cat miraculous?
@@SteelCityK1D to become human,If he is a sentimonster
Both of them are beasts
I think they are both senti monsters, but I think it's in the realm of "good" and "evil"... Adrien being the good and obedient "son" and Felix being the "evil" or mischievous one who has no problem questioning Gabriel on anything and Adrien pretty much does everything (for the most part) what his father says without question(whether it's a ring controlling thing or whatever.)
I feel like Adrian being a senti monster would be like a then she woke up type twist
I feel at least one of them definitely is a sentimonster, but still wondering if we are just being thrown red herrings regarding Adrien. There should be no reason to twist the ring to control Adrien. Just wearing it should be enough if he was a sentimonster. But the scene in Ephemeral where he gets akumatised does throw me. Very torn, don't like the idea, but not up to me I guess. Really liking Felix as a villain more and more. Lila just makes my skin crawl.
I feel it'd have to be adrien if one of them was the sentimonster. Reasoning:
Adrien has too great of skills. Kagami only fights, but he's as good as her while also being as good as if not better than people in so many other instances, too. Musically, linguistically, etc.
Adrien had no agency at the beginning of the show and only went through the motions for things. More recently, in the wish episode, he couldn't remember his childhood dream, but revealed his dream was to be what his parents wanted him to be (while nothing else changed about him)
His father wants him safe but only makes the absolute minimum of effort to check on his wellbeing. I know he's obsessed with being hawkmoth and his whole thing is that he's willing to hurt people to get what he wants, but one would think that he'd care more for his son who is the only thing left of his wife.
He's been the butt of many jokes. The writers don't take him seriously and hand wave away all the growth that he (that anyone) makes. But he's also the only one who's been built up as a character we should feel sad for. He's the only one who we're supposed to pity. Which is kinda weird and has only been happening in the last few seasons when the theory has been circulating more
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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I kinda hate this ,if Cat noir been reveal as a sentimonster il turn to what characters was to a plot devices
If was Felix ,same ..... i rather have twins separate at birth that one been a alchemi golem , i hope the writers are just troling but same time ....who can say
I feel like they could be leaning into Adrien's mother making a sentimonster (Adrien) after having difficulties having a child, and modelling him after felix out of jealousy/desire. I don't think Gabe knows, otherwise he would've swapped the rings ages ago imo so he could have the one to control Adrien. I think the ring rub is just meant to keep foreshadowing more than being intentional on his part.
Let's be real the writers havve shoehorned that the writing is "we can do whatever we want and the miraculous holder can do whatever they can imagine w their powers." They could prob pull of finale moment of marinette using her powers of creation to bring back adrien like nothing happened without needing an amok to host him, and so he's entirely independent. That or Tikki will do i using her power since it's more powerful. Either way. I could see it considering all the time travel bs undos they do lmao
I pray to god that the Sentimonster theory isn't true for either of those two characters because it would ruin the whole show for me and alot of other fans. The argument I've seen people use of him being perfect making him out to be a Sentimonster makes no sense because he's not perfect if he was prefect he'd be able to tell how Marinette feels for him and give her a response. I'm hoping that they're just messing with the fans who believe the theory without questioning it at all. My real question is if Adrien's father is transformed and does that jester while we don't see the ring clearly on his finger is he actually touching the ring or not because that breaks the theory apart completely if he's not actually touching the ring.
Adrien is not perfect but his father clearly thinks that so that level of "perfection" is by Gabriel standars
Yeah as much as I want this theory to be true, the writers don't seem like they can execute this right
Remember the episode Lie? Luka literally akumatized because he hated Marinette's lie, but what happened in Wishmaker? Luka discovered Mari's identity then proceeded to LIE about it. Like, if there was nuance added to Luka's character after Wishmaker, then it would be fine but no. We got NOTHING. No explanation, no dialogue, no thoughts, no nothing from Luka. Idk man, I wish the writers would add some nuance or something. Even if it's a kids show, it can be done.
The events in Whishmaker actually challenged the preconception that Luka had about telling the truth. That's some character development right there not bad writing. He realized telling a lie sometimes is for the better.
@vladimir barrios I would agree, but after the events of Empherial, and seeing Luka go along with Ladybug's ludicrous idea into manipulating Chat to reveal his identity, instead of EASILY telling Su-han Chat's identity without any trouble, I'm beginning to question if there was a point to Luka's 'arc'
@@phoeberoman7607 It's unlikely for his character to start acting on his own unless is extremely necessary. For him, the less he gets involved in the whole mess, the better for Marinette since it's one less thing for her to worry about. We did see in Ephemeral that Luka was wary about Ladybug decision of not using the second chance but he was still confident about her and her role as a leader.
@vladimir barrios I guess so, still, Luka in this episode frustrated me so much. And in all honestly, i think it was extremely necessary in that moment, since Ladybug's job was at risk. Also, this episode could've been the turning point for Luka's character, he should've been the one to act out. Cuz' hear me out, S4 is almost done, and we get zero depth to Luka's character since Wishmaker. Now that I think about it, what was the point of him knowing BOTH Ladybug's and Chat's identities. He's not particularly close to Adrien, they seem on neutral terms, we rarely even see them interact. So, what was the point? Luka could've had a brotherly relationship with Adrien, but I guess the writers just want him as yet another love square shipper, because that's what he felt like to me in Empherial with his lack of intervening. Also, I don't think there's any harm if Luka said he only knew Chat's identity, he could've just revealed it to Su-han without telling Ladybug, and everyone is happy.
Plus, it's implied that Mari already suspects that Luka knows she's Ladybug, since she texted him to "find Sass in my sewing box". Since how would he know where to find "Ladybug's" sewing box, unless he knew her true identity.
Felix is soooooooooo hooooooooot. Why is he underated like this. Guuuuuhhhh 😩
I know there was a lot of evidence of Adrien being a sentimonster even before season 4, but those pieces of evidence were subtle, and if he truly is a sentimonster, I would've liked it that way. In season 4 they're basically forcing the theory on us and i don't like that. It's honestly becoming annoying (and I actually like the whole sentimonster idea a little)
Is that hard to think that they are not being subtle about it because the plot is actually moving?
@@vladimir3905 We got literally no strong hints in the first 3 seasons, yet season 4 isn't even over and we have so many strong sentimonster hints, kind of seems like a bit too much to me. But you do you
@@miraculouslymiraculous6150 yeah sure, people came up with the theory out of thin air. Also if that's the case then what's the problem? If the theory is becoming strong this season is because the series has reached a point in which this aspect of the main story is taking central stage. That's plot progression.
@@vladimir3905 Idk, it just feels like their shoving the theory down out throats and yes, I actually want plot progression. I just wish they would've showed a bit more evidence in the first 3 seasons instead of squeezing it all in one season. I love season 4 compared to other seasons, but the sentimonster thing's annoying me
@@miraculouslymiraculous6150 sentimonsters weren't even a thing in season 1?? So it's to be expected that it doesn't have too much foreshadowing (only Emilie's painting that is based on a woman who was unable to conceive but that's it). It makes sense the evidence increase at the same rate as sentimonsters are more and more relevant to the plot.
this sentimonster thing sounds creepily similar to grimwalkers from the owl house,but no matter what word is used for ethier show,both are the same thing,a clone
I think Adrian is a sentimonster but Felix isn’t.
I personally think it would be really cool if Felix was a sentimonster inspired by Adrien. Emily and Gabriel mightve desired a child and the magic of the peacock miraculous helped them. But Felix's parents werent able to have kids unless they made a full fledged swntimonster, and decided to use Adrien as the figute to make Felix out of one since the moms were already twins. Also, I would bet Felix would take being a swntimonster in strides.
Felix being a sentimonster can work if he becomes a more relevant character (like being the one who steals the peacock miraculous and maybe moves to Paris so he's a more constant presence?)
1 year later and it's canon now
This theory makes so much sense, it's breaking my heart
What if the reason Felix and Adrien are identical (if the Adrien is a sentimonster is true) than maybe Emilie designed Adrien that way to look like Felix.
Exactly.
Emilie could have faked a pregnancy when her twin sister was pregnant and when Amilie gave birth, visited her or insisted that Amilie and baby Felix visit them as soon as Amilie was up for traveling.
Made sure that she was alone with Felix long enough to create a Sentimonster and then hand Felix back to his mom and a few days later pretended to have given birth.
Not quite foolproof but it would get her a child.
Last episode... Adrien and Marinette travels to Mount Doom to destroy the One Ring... 😈😈
I have a question, what is the real reason for them of creating Felix
Maybe if Adrien knew where his mom has been the whole time and why he's dad has been protecting him since then and how important Nathalie is to them in their lives since she's the closet person he has to a mom and how awesome it would be if his dad fall in love for her and the two marry and Adrien got a stepmom who knows how to fight?
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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im curious as to why the majority of sentimonsters that are created are clones of real people. Maybe that's why they look alike. One of them is a clone of the other
Actually, most sentimonsters in the show don't look like people at all. Take Optigami and Reflektadoll for example. In fact, as far as I remember, there were only three sentimonsters (that we know of for sure) who looked like people (or clones thereof): SentiLadybug, SentiNino and Sentibubbler
The only thing I hate about the theory is thing is ring but after watching crocoduel item, being shatter but intact.
Since butterfly and peacock are similar a bit
I always believed he had something related to an amok, or the peacock miraculous; not in the sense that he only exists because of it, but it affects him in some way like being forcing him to be obedient, subservient, etc. The fact that Felix changed after his dad died into being more "mischievous" is similar to how Adrien became more "rebellious" after his mom died (so after 14 years of confinement, he randomly wants to go to school NOW?) This could also explain why his childhood dream was "to be whatever my parents wanted me to be". Emilie was getting sick but something drastic must have put her into a coma (like, how is Nathalie still conscious and energized enough to still do work for Gabriel ??)
Adrien dies. Emilie uses massive power to make a replica of Adrien and possibly felix
Something the Sentimonster theory leaves out is Amelie. Like she does not find it weird her son and nephew are identical? I don't buy it. I think she and Felix are the sentimonsters, hence why they're doppelgangers of Emilie and Adrien. I just don't know why Emilie created them? Maybe as duplicates for her and Adrien so they could be in two places at once...? I do think it's really imporant to note that Emilie does wear a brooch that her sister does not, but they are otherwise identical barring the colour of their clothing. Maybe Amelie's amok is inside it.
The other thing that is often left out is that surely Gabe's wish would be to have his son be real, right? Because if Adrien had been real all along, then Emilie would never need the Peacock Miraculous. Two birds, one stone. He clearly doesn't care about controlling his son, or he would have taken Emilie's ring long ago, right? And surely he'd make use of it- he seems aware that Ladybug and Cat Noir likely go to school with his son. Alya figured it out back in Season 1 that they went to the same school and I'm fairly sure she posted it to the Ladyblog (this was in "Pharaoh" if anyone is curious). So why not order Adrien to ask around and phrase it as Gabriel's own benign curiosity?
So Felix can't be a sentimonster because "we dont care about him", but Adrien also can't be a sentimonster because "we care too much about him"???
Yep. You need a good middle ground for a reveal like this. Someone who is important enough to the story for the Senti reveal to impact the plot but not so important it negatively impacts how you view one of the characters.
To me, Felix being a senti has the potential to be interesting. It all depends on how the show utilizes him going forward
@@kabsageigj8941 people are being way too demanding about it then.
I swear to god if they pull this Adrien is a sentimoster shit out of no where and forget about it the next episode, or it turns out to be a fake out, I’m going to throw myself into the void
RIGHT? EVERYTIME
since I'm a newer fan,I keep forgetting their cousins,they look more like identical twins
I think Adrien and Felix are sentimonster. And chat noir will be revealed this season. Which will give Gabriel the upper hand and akumitized ladybug or Marinette. However the battle will end with both peacock and cat miraculous being damaged but killing Adrien at the end.
Lila comes up knocks out Gabriel only to be knocked out by Marinette who has been broken. And takes the butterfly miraculous for herself and becomes the villain of season 5. Alya takes on the role of ladybug while she tries to figure out why Marinette is being the New Hawkmoth Nightmaria. And Marinette’s akumas are a lot harder to defeat. Plagg tried to steal the book but only gets enough to fix his ring. But revealing the other thing. In the finale battle Alix is summoned to go back in time.
For the record, I don't care one way or the other as long as it makes sense and is well incorporated into the plot. With that said, how hilarious would it be if Adrien wasn't a senti-monster, it's just that the writers love to screw with the fandom?
They are both sentimonsters. Thomas is going to kill both of them off in the end and Marinette lives happily ever after with Luka. This show upsets me. Please review Umbrella Academy when season 3 drops. I love your comments, you crack me up. ✌️
Adrienette is confirmed so adrien is going to live
@@stellerguy6397 I know he lives but it would be a whole lot cooler of she ended up with Luka. Lol, just my opinion. :)
It would explain why Adrien is so obedient and never stands up to his father. Plus why he doesn't openly defends his friends at school to not rock the boat
I think they'll kill him. I think he'll be brought back after a few min to an episode but if he's a sentimonster he'll briefly die, its an incredible finale plot line that is still shocking and devastating even when it's predicted
And again as I mentioned in the review for Gabriel Agreste. I still think Felix being a sentimonster is actually a red herring and Gabe was just threatening him to give his ring back, again has anyone seen MiraculouslyLazy's video on how Gabriel Agreste is not proof Felix is a sentimonster yet?
Oh I remember in the episode Felix when his mom says sorry for his behavior his dad isn't around to control him or something like that Felix interrupts her and also they only name episodes after akumized villans and sentimonsters HMMMM?? Idk at this point..
As I said before it would make sense if Adrien is a sentimonster, because if Felix and Lila found out about it he would pose a real threat to his friends if that was the case when Felix is the next Hawk Moth and Lila is the next Peacock Miraculous holder
I'm still holding out hope for a pet theory: the twin rings are a new miraculous jewel we learn about in the London special. They have the power to duplicate objects (but if used on a person, into a good twin & an evil twin).
Support: Dr. Jekyll was from London.
The London special so far seems to indicate a pink and a blue sister, but only talk about Miss Rose, maybe indicating the blue sister is the bad one.
Amelie & Emilie are identical sisters (which makes sense), but Felix & Adrien are identical cousins (which doesn't). Maybe Amelie is the good twin, but Emilie was jealous of her baby so made a copy for herself. ***
Felix even admits he made a copy of the ring he stole from Uncle Gabe.
The showrunners like to expand the story in the specials so far; confirming new miraculous boxes then a new type of magic amulet. The twin rings could be either.
This would be a plausible way for the showrunners to give hints about sentimonsters, but still leave open a small pivot into a new idea in the end. Maybe when the villain snaps, Adrien and Felix re-absorb into each other, instead of Adrien just disappearing/dying.
*** If Emilie is the evil twin, maybe Gabriel is actually in love with Nathalie (which explains a bit), but he is slavishly devoted to his master Emilie, the true supervillain of S5-S7.
There has been a spoiler for either Season 4 or 5 that "Chat Noir" or Adrien WILL DIE... And Ladybug must fight to bring him back. It's been a while since this spoiler was released but I'm always keeping it in mind; it also explains to why Gabriel Agreste holds little to no emotional attachment to his son, especially in the paradoxes, "Chat Blanc" and "Ephermal"
I believe Adrien will be killed sometime soon by having Gabriel strip the amok from the ring or object holding the amok... This will be a tear-jerking scene for never once has Gabriel tried killing his creation... He only used him to his advantage being the worst case scenario. I feel this will be Gabriel's desperate attempt to stop Ladybug but will affect him also, for this was a treasured creation of Emilie's.... What'cha think? ^_^
The Cat Noir will die spoiler was just a joke though- they would never reveal such a plot twist
@@lloydGarmadon7 Studios: It was a prank.
Me: NOOOOOOO!!!!
Why doesn't Mayura tell the sentimonster Ladybug to unmask herself=))??
Could she do that? She was already created as a superhero, not as a civilian using the ladybug miraculous.
Because Quantum Masking. And she probably cant even remove her mask because she was made with it. I don't know.
Both are sentimonsters we care that Adrien is one but Felix we don't have a reason to care.
He is the only one with a braincell in the whole series I think he deserves the care now
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Hawkmoth seems to know what his sentimonsters are doing at all times the same way he can see what Akumatised people are doing, so if Adrien is one then shouldn't Hawkmoth already know he's Chat Noir?
Gabe could have used rooster kwamii to give him the power to heal right ?
Astruc needs to learn that what can make cute fanart/fanfics DOESN'T necessarily make good canon. This is hands down the best example.
Adrien secretly being a sentimonster has seriously disturbing implications. Either he's essentially really complex NPC-style programming (totally destroying the romantic subplot this story revolves around) OR all the sentimonsters are equal to humans, which literally infinitely increases the on-screen death toll.
SO cringe!
Don't forget emphral when Adrein GAVE UP his miraculous when hawk moth /gabes rubbed his ring so LIKE YEAH YOU HAVE THAT.
Here’s the thing if Adrian is a sentimonster then y is Gabriel so over protective of him if something bad happened to Adrian like if he died he could just make a new Adrian
Because that would be a Messed mindset to have. If you have a Child you shouldn't be Overprotective of it because you can just make a Brand new one. Sentimonster or Not that still his Child that he taken care of for 15 years. You cant just replace Experiences like that. I dont have a Child but i have a Pet and even though i can replace her i will still do everything in my power to protect it.
Because Adrien is Emilie's creation. He said that after she "disappeared" Adrien is all that was left from her (then he added the Grimoire and the rings but you get the idea)
I feel like I'm one of the few that love this theory 🏃
Yup, me too! xD
Me too💃
My theroery .
The ring , felix has stolen, is the ring that created him (and he knows that and garbeil wants the ring back to have control over felix again and destroy him maybe ). Gabril said he has the power to make him un excisting ( with the ring ) , which means adrian is also a senti monster, because gabril has 2 rings, and he got one on which he controlls adrian with)
When shadow howt aumatized felix , flex didnt obey shafow mowt ( because he has the ring hidden somewhere)
So they are both senti momsters
. Heres some second theory ( its not mine, somebody else made it, but it will make you guys believe more in the senti monster theory)
Adrian and felix look the same and sound the same and were sure they're both senti momsters and this is why. So emily wanted a baby so bad that she used the peacoxk miraculous to make a sentimonster child but because she wanted it so badly, the amuk split into two creating a good and an evil sentimonster, and because the amuk split into two that is what broke the peacock miraculous
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8:02 yeah… no one would care that the only person who has been successful of keeping most of the miraculous in their possession (or in this case passed it on to someone else) gets killed… yeah no one would care that the biggest game changer character of the show gets wiped from existence… felix? Who’s felix? It’s not like he stole most of the miraculous without it actually being part of his plan of the day
What if........ Gabriel and Emily couldn't have kids? But Emily's sister, Amelie could. So they steal the baby Felix whom they rename Adrien and make a perfect copy of him so that
Amelie would never know. I don't think that Emily's personality would end up being any better than Gabriel's at this point.
Yeah... that's the little theory I've come up with.... it has plenty of holes though for sure. And I don't really like the idea of them being sentimonsters.
What if the reason Adrien and Felix look so alike is because only one of them is a human, and the other is an exact sentimonster copy? Like, the human one was used as a base?
A piece of evidence is in the titles to the episode. There are 3 episode that are just someones name, ladybug, Felix and now Gabriel Agreste. In ladybug and in gab's episode the title was the name of the sentimonster, like how every other episode is named after the villain. So Felix having a episode named after him seems intentional.
I think that just mean they will be the Antagonist of the Episode. Like for instance if Lila get no powers and is the main focus of the Episode it would just be Called Lila.
@@KavinCatastrophe Felix episode would have been prefectly named "the punisher trio" but they chose naming it Felix instead. We have yet to see an episode named after a civilian that is not a sentimonster though. What would happen if one episode in season 5 is called Adrien Agreste? That would be nuts!
something about the theory is that in chat blanc when gabe/hawkmoth tried to get adriens miraculous instead of just clicking him out of existence he akumatized him
Maybe his dad is using the sadness of losing his mother to make him obey
Me l always thought that sentimonsters were unable to age let alone develop their own emotions and grow as well
You bring up a Lot a good points.