I recently missed out on acquiring a 26" G&E Shaper that was listed on Facebook Marketplace in the Detroit, MI area. It was stored outdoors under a tarp and needed attention and care. It did not have the auto down feature of which I preferred. So I continue to watch for another similar listing. Thank you for your excellent videos.
+Bradley Weingartner Watching to much Dave Jones lately, he makes the austria/australia joke all the time. Btw: Austria made a whole industry out of the "there are no kangaroos in austria" thing ;)
Thanks Stefan. Your Gack is an awesome machine! One thing I would like to point out, I cringe when you use your palm to hit the shaper wrench! I did the same when young and fight the urge to do it now. When you get older you will regret abusing your body! I use cheaters on such things now and do have a feel for machines and don't over tighten. It sucks to live in pain so be kind to your parts now for all to soon you will be a grayback too! ;)
Stefan, I watch and LISTEN to videos almost daily. I've been a machinist for over 20 years. And yes, you have taught me things. What I sincerely want you to know, is that you are one of the best machinist I have ever seen work. I do not say that lightly. Your dimensional accuracy is superb. I am more impressed with your attention to detail. Every thing you do has a plan and thought behind it. I respect this above all. Young Man, keep up this exceptional work. Regards, S. R. Simon
I may have mentioned before - I had a huge shaper and had to see it - miss it badly, even more so seeing your Gack. Such a valuable machine. I only had one regular clapper box on mine. Nice to see more about your Gack.
Crazy just took a test on a shaper for my apprenticeship . No real world experience this video would have helped me out dramatically . Thank you Sir for your time in teaching the ones in the future that want to learn . My Best , Tighe
I really enjoyed this video, Stefan. I'm fascinated by shapers and maybe some day will find a small one for my shop as well. Would really like to see a video on lathe tool grinding. It's always nice to see how different people approach the subject. Best wishes, Tom Z
i watched Nick's video tour of this shaper before you got it. the scraping is beautiful and the precision is beyond belief! you really scored on this shaper friend. thanks for sharing it with us.
In the USA there was a Morton draw cut shaper used mostly in railroad shops for machining the bronze blocks for locomotive axel's, the pull cut allowed heavy cuts to be made.
Stefan, Nice overview of the Gack shaper! But, no matter the precision of the machine, operator skills are paramount and yours are just great. Enjoy what you do with any machine tools.l Was impressed by your making chuck jaws on the Gack. Thanks for posting. Bob
Absolutely excellent Stefan. I have an Acme 7, which is a copy of the Atlas, and am going to get your drawing on the pull calpper box. My little shaper is in almost perfect shape like yours and like yours it is loved too. Do want to see your thoughts and guidance on lathe/shpaer tool grinding, please.
Thank you Stefan for such a good explanation and clear video presentation of your Gack metal shaper. I was surprised no one mentioned that pull cutting forces the workpiece against the solid vise jaw instead of the moving jaw- thus improving rigidity and precision, as well as tool life. jd, MACHINECO ( 7" S.Bend, 10" Alba, 20" Rockford Hy-Draulic)
Well done! I really like using my shaper. You just can't be in a hurry. I changed to a grinder style vise and will never use the factory installed vise again. It's just way more better. Thanks for the video, CJ
+Tim Follick One of those all-over ground vices with the angled screw - I use them on the mill, drillpress and the engraver...and pretty sure soon also on the shaper :) Google "screwless vise" for a picture.
I think another important reason the machine needs to run in reverse for pull cutting is so the ratchet mechanism for the feed is timed correctly so that it advances during the return stroke rather than during the cut. I guess if it did advance during the cut then it would be even more like a lathe including the need for side relief.
Stefan, if you do the lathe-tool grinding video could you grind what you think is the best "do almost everything" cutter? It would be interesting to see your version of that.
what a nice machine. the adjustments are so well thought out. i have never seen a small shaper with a powered z axis. i had an 8 inch logan and when i ran it above a slow speed it would walk across the floor. had to bolt it down. that reverse clapper could solve the biggest pain of running a shaper, those darn chips.no matter what i did to control them,my wife was constantly finding them through out the house and in her washing machine. needless to say she was happy when i sold it .i'm sure you will find some interesting uses for yours.
Please, do make a video on grinding tool bits, also do you have any ideas on a simple jig to get the proper angles on the tool bits for someone with less than steady hands such as myself. Thanks, Tim
Here it is 4 yrs and 10 months later since this video was made, and the Gack HE20 (even though 250mm smaller) or an Atlas 7in was in my sights, but ended up with a Klopp 450, and now in 2021 Dec started the restoration. The return stroke clapper,,,,and the attachment for cutting in internal key ways caught my attention (@@)!. Did watch that video as well, and my restoration will included a VFD to control the 2 speed 3ph newer motor. Any added thoughts, would be most appreciated. Bears Rod Shop in TX.
Noisy? Perhaps a worm or spiral bevel gear - cog belt?. Hmmm, are the current spur gears mating properly? I would expect there is an adjustment. I should really wait to hear it, LOL. No doubt you have checked this already.
Very nice shaper Stefan. Going by the flaking that looks untouched on the rams ways in the video it seems it's had very little use since new and the previous owners lubed it as often as it should have been. But you've anticipated one of my future questions about that reverse style clapper box. Many thanks for taking the time to post the drawings on your website. That's a future project for my little South Bend for sure. Ever since you first mentioned that reverse clapper box it's made more than logical sense why that would work better on the smaller and maybe a bit less rigid shapers. Funny so few manufacturers built there machines with that option. And it seems most of the shaper vises suffer from that part lifting issue. No one seems to make a short wide angle lock type vise that would work well on the smaller shapers either. Your idea of going to a grinding type vise with the solid fixed jaw to the rear and that reverse clapper box should work well even with there limited clamping power when compared to something like a much larger Kurt. You probably already know it but others might not. A lot of the small shapers have phenolic bull gears in them so there's no metal to metal tooth contact with the associated gear noise. They come with a price though. Crash one of those shaper's hard enough and you will shear off teeth. But they are nice and quiet. Have to agree with Erling Weiseth as well. As always a very well done video.
That could really have a place in a shop without a surface grinder...... I have some super hard bandsaw guides that need trued up. Perhaps with hand cranking the ram.....mmmmmm.......with a VFD the ram could be set to just the right slow speed.... wow
Found an old Dumore manual where they discuss mounting a "toolpost" grinder on a shaper ram. They said use an angle plate on the clapper box, wheel rotation should be so grit blows away from the ram.
"Don't slip a pipe over it and yank on it with 200 lbs." Amen Stefan!!! Common sense; no. The tighter the better... WRONG! I have a friend who has sold quite a bit of second-hand machinery to me. The first thing that I do when I get one of his machines is put every one of the 3-jaw chucks into the scrap/rebuild bin. I can't tell you how many times I have had to use a pipe to loosen an abandoned part from one of his chucks. 200 lbs. equals 20,000 lbs. once a lever gets involved into the equation.
Curious why Bundeswehr would had such number of small shapers... Then remembered that G3 rifle was roller delayed with fluted chamber. If particular gun would be sticky on extraction, with this small machine armourers could tweak the chamber fluting.
By the large number of machines that the Bundeswehr had in storage, I think that was an attempt to save some desolate machine tool builders like Gack, Steinel and Klaiber. But yeah, the BW has also machineshops for machine/vehicle and small arms repairs.
@@StefanGotteswinter And from 50s to 80s they prepared for mobilization. Machine tools could not be built fast, they had to be in storage, ready for use. Have a good summer weekend. I have greatly enjoyed your videos for many years. Greetings from Finland!
@@StefanGotteswinter G3 is kinda special case. If chamber is rough it will rip caseheads for lunch. It extracts very violently. I bet that touching G3 chambers was main job for stockpile of HE20s. Such small machine, but perfect for that job. Peacetime manufactured rifles very rarely have problems, but come hurried production of weapons and subpar ammo...
Great info. as always Im absorbing all that knowledge that you pass along. please do a tool grinding video. It seems most of the info. out there relates to the angles as used on the lantern style tool post. But like so many I use the Aloris style tool post. so please discuss the difference. Thanks for all you do.
Amazing machine. There was nothing to add so I didn't. Meanwhile, I discovered a channel with a steam-powered machine shop. It includes a shaper, which makes its debut in video 2. You might enjoy a steam-powered shaper. The channel is David Richards and (almost) every machine in it is 1925 or older. And the shaper is still working!
I always wondered what's the real difference in facing surface on mill with facing mill and shaper. MB one day you will be kind enough to make some comparison - like in those old advertisements on tv "One part I washed with regular washing compound and other - with Tide super clean")). I would love to see such comparison using surface plate for checking.
Nice video Stefan! May I ask, what kind of oil pump is that you're using? Is it something you've made or can it be bought? Looks really nice with the big base to give it stability so it doesn't get knocked over so easily.
I think you should try knurling with the shaper. I can't think of any fundamental reason it wouldn't work provided you removed the clapper box and made the stroke shorter than the work piece so it doesn't lose contact.
+ElectricGears In Theory yes, but I realy would hesitate to put that much strain on the shaper - At least at such a small shaper. Maybe somebody like James Kilroy with his giant GE shaper could step in ;)
As an aussie I heard Australian shaper... My eyebrows rose to full height. Then I heard the correction to Austrian shaper and I thought 'Ah, that makes more sense!'
Please be careful when using the pull clapper box. They are very risky to use. The mounting is only good for compression and any crash, like a part slips in the vise for instance, can rip the box off the ram. Also any slip of the part, vise ect. can smash it into the machine ways.
Completely agree about the high angle shear tool with the big radius. It's the type I normally used in the shaper. Iron, mild steel, tool steels, bronzes even plastics. but if you think your shaper is loud we had a couple of Rockford hydraulic shapers. Nice machines but loud. I think they may of also been capable of cutting on the back stroke. Unfortunately shaper work is a dying skill with the exception of hobbiests
I think there are still a few weird applications where shapers and planers can shine, especially when it comes to very large machines..KLOPP still builts a very unique shaper to machine copper billets: www.klopp.de/en/klopp-machine-tools/products/high-speed-shaping-machine/opt/nc/
+THE IRONWORKER I have seen a 700mm mechanical shaper running - that thing was just formidable. I would love to have such a big shaper to just hog away material at an enourmous rate :)
Nice machine, I have a similar sized shaper that has a straight cut bull gear and pinion, but it is almost silent. I wonder if there is a meshing problem with your yours?
+Stefan Gotteswinter Not necessarily. I just looked it up yesterday, as I will have to access mine too. It seems that I can access yoke as well as slider from the top, when the ram is in the full forward position. I once had the motor off and slider and joke removed, so I know about the necessary steps. I guess I'll try to do it the next days and will inform you if I succeed. Frank
Great, great video. I have just started to learn the shaper. Horinzontal cutting is going allright. I have two questions 1) how do you control the dimensions of dove tails. it seems that it takes only s very small cut to change the part from just too small to much too large. 2) the grooving tools I have ground have the tendency of chattering in the beginning of the cut. Any ideas?thanks very much for your instructive videos, keep up the good work.
+Teunbaartman1 1. Same as on the milling machine, measuring with two pins and gage blocks and using a dial indicator to move the machine the desired distance, sneaking up to the final dimension. 2. I try to keep the groving tool as sharp as possible, with positive cutting angle and a nice chipbreaker, clearance angles should not be to big, otherwise the tool gets a bit flimsy...
Great video. I have an Atlas 7B and love it too. Have the Atlas shaper vise and it too has serious jaw lift problems. Would very much like too see your thoughts on tool grinding in a video. Your seems a bit low to the floor. Do you find yourself stooping over when running it? My shop made stand has the table height at 48 inches or about 120 cm. thanks again. M'G
Thanks Stefan, nice presentation. I am running mine with way oil instead of grease as well. Unfortunately it has a bit of play between the rocker arm and the bronce (actually gunmetal or Rotguss as we call it here) drive block, telling me with a little "click" when it's longing for more oil, but the overall sound seems to be smoother than Yours. Do You have grease on the big inner gearwheel? You can easily access it, when the ram is in the forward position. If I remember it right, I used Molycote, which also contains graphite. You forgot to tell about the nice dial gauge-holder, which came with Yours and is on my to do list (currently improvising using a small noga). Also interesting to hear that You're not fully satisfied with the vice, as mine came without and so I am currently using one of these grinding vices, which works pretty well apart from the lack of rotation base. Maybe, I should just get a slightly bigger one and stick to that type of vice. Building a rotation base could then be a project for the shaper :-) Frank
Hi Stefan, thanks for this very nice video, I enjoyed watching it very much. I have a AI Hembrug shaper and also like to use it very much (although I am nowhere near as skilled as you are). I will probably try to add a pull type clapperbox from your plans. My shaper has slanted ways for the table though, so I don't know if that is going to be a problem?
+Peter Heuts Wow, I looked at a picture of your machine - Thats a unique design - I have no idea how it would be affected with a pull type clapper box...but my gut-feeling is telling me you would be fine. Ps: Dont sue me if the table gets ripped of the guideways ;)
See if you can talk MuellerNick into being a guest in your shop for a video. He never talked in his videos and seemed such a great resource for machinists, much too good to lose. I think he decided he could not abide Google+ (very smart man).
Hi Stephen, A very good mechanic has more control with an air impact than your slapping that wrench handle with your hand, and a lot less nerve damage. Just wrist tighten and loosen with down strokes, and never pull the wrench up, no more slaps " bad habit" and your nuts will thank you.
Hi mate. I had the opportunity to buy a small shaper like your one, and I didn't. I can kick myself for letting it go. My motivation was that I wanted a mill, and should not buy a shaper. How irresponsibly stupid is that? And now I've got neither. Like I have said before, that is a very nice machine mate, well done.
+Marcel Timmers I was just thinking about your comment, and while a mill is certainly more versatile, the tooling to get it set up is astronomical in comparison to those 5 double ended bits and three clapper boxes I would think. I still have neither a mill or a shaper either, and shapers are like a rare gem nowadays, and all of the ones I see for sale around here are in pieces but still have a big price tag...we can dream though, right mate?
How right you are. Not too long ago I drove for about 3-3.5 hours to have a look at a shaper, thinking, if it is a good one I'll throw it on the back of the ute. When I got there, the bloody thing was big enough to sink an aircraft carrier. so, not so much. Not so hot today, only 40.5c The dogs won't get a run today me thinks.
Stefan, Thank you for your videos, I've learned a lot. I have an Ammco 7 inch, approximately 177 mm. This machine was built by Atlas for Ammco. I have found a link to a 1947 Operation manual wentztech.com/WebDisk/Metalworking/Shaper/Atlas%20Manual%20S7B%20Parts%20List%20Catalog%207B.pdf For the Atlas 7 inch shaper. The manual says the machine should be operated in only one direction and cautions users to be aware of three-phase motors and ensure that the direction of the motor's rotation be verified. I will add; the Atlas/Ammco shaper is designed such that the return stroke is much quicker than the power stroke. For anyone who might be interested in an Atlas or Atlas clone, be aware, the bull gear is made from a phenolic plastic that has a fiber reinforcement, it's entirely possible to crash these machines such that the bull gear gets stripped. Respectfully yours, Olin
I recently missed out on acquiring a 26" G&E Shaper that was listed on Facebook Marketplace in the Detroit, MI area. It was stored outdoors under a tarp and needed attention and care. It did not have the auto down feature of which I preferred. So I continue to watch for another similar listing. Thank you for your excellent videos.
It makes me happy that even Germans make the Australia/Austria mix-up from time to time!
+Bradley Weingartner Watching to much Dave Jones lately, he makes the austria/australia joke all the time.
Btw: Austria made a whole industry out of the "there are no kangaroos in austria" thing ;)
Thanks Stefan. Your Gack is an awesome machine! One thing I would like to point out, I cringe when you use your palm to hit the shaper wrench! I did the same when young and fight the urge to do it now. When you get older you will regret abusing your body! I use cheaters on such things now and do have a feel for machines and don't over tighten. It sucks to live in pain so be kind to your parts now for all to soon you will be a grayback too! ;)
I concur..... 🙄
Stefan, I watch and LISTEN to videos almost daily. I've been a machinist for over 20 years. And yes, you have taught me things. What I sincerely want you to know, is that you are one of the best machinist I have ever seen work. I do not say that lightly. Your dimensional accuracy is superb. I am more impressed with your attention to detail. Every thing you do has a plan and thought behind it. I respect this above all. Young Man, keep up this exceptional work. Regards, S. R. Simon
I may have mentioned before - I had a huge shaper and had to see it - miss it badly, even more so seeing your Gack. Such a valuable machine. I only had one regular clapper box on mine. Nice to see more about your Gack.
+ChrisB257 Thank you! There is a bigger project coming up (Almost finished, video is down for edit) featuring a lot of shaperwork :)
Crazy just took a test on a shaper for my apprenticeship . No real world experience this video would have helped me out dramatically . Thank you Sir for your time in teaching the ones in the future that want to learn .
My Best ,
Tighe
I really enjoyed this video, Stefan. I'm fascinated by shapers and maybe some day will find a small one for my shop as well. Would really like to see a video on lathe tool grinding. It's always nice to see how different people approach the subject.
Best wishes,
Tom Z
I've always liked watching that shaper run, thanks for posting this.
i watched Nick's video tour of this shaper before you got it.
the scraping is beautiful and the precision is beyond belief!
you really scored on this shaper friend.
thanks for sharing it with us.
I dig that bar holder. Giving me ideas for the G&E!
Compared with the g&e or a big 1000 klopp it's just tiny
Yes, I would like to see your tool grinding technique, love the shaper. thanks for sharing
In the USA there was a Morton draw cut shaper used mostly in railroad shops for machining the bronze blocks for locomotive axel's, the pull cut allowed heavy cuts to be made.
Stefan,
Nice overview of the Gack shaper! But, no matter the precision of the machine, operator skills are paramount and yours are just great. Enjoy what you do with any machine tools.l Was impressed by your making chuck jaws on the Gack. Thanks for posting.
Bob
Very informative and educational, Stefan. Shapers are wonderful machines.
+Richard Freeze Thank you Richard :)
Absolutely excellent Stefan. I have an Acme 7, which is a copy of the Atlas, and am going to get your drawing on the pull calpper box. My little shaper is in almost perfect shape like yours and like yours it is loved too. Do want to see your thoughts and guidance on lathe/shpaer tool grinding, please.
R.I.P. shaper...
Thank you Stefan for such a good explanation and clear video presentation of your Gack metal shaper. I was surprised no one mentioned that pull cutting forces the workpiece against the solid vise jaw instead of the moving jaw- thus improving rigidity and precision, as well as tool life. jd, MACHINECO ( 7" S.Bend, 10" Alba, 20" Rockford Hy-Draulic)
Love the history of your shaper. I have a Swedish Varnamo HL-18. I love it.
Well done! I really like using my shaper. You just can't be in a hurry. I changed to a grinder style vise and will never use the factory installed vise again. It's just way more better. Thanks for the video, CJ
+CJs Custom Grinder style vice, can you clarify what that is?
+Tim Follick One of those all-over ground vices with the angled screw - I use them on the mill, drillpress and the engraver...and pretty sure soon also on the shaper :)
Google "screwless vise" for a picture.
+CJs Custom I will pretty sure go for a grinding vice - I need only to buy one with about 100mm with on the jaws.
I think another important reason the machine needs to run in reverse for pull cutting is so the ratchet mechanism for the feed is timed correctly so that it advances during the return stroke rather than during the cut. I guess if it did advance during the cut then it would be even more like a lathe including the need for side relief.
+bcbloc02 The ratched can be engaged in both directions :)
Stefan, if you do the lathe-tool grinding video could you grind what you think is the best "do almost everything" cutter? It would be interesting to see your version of that.
A nice tour of the shaper, thanks.
what a nice machine. the adjustments are so well thought out. i have never seen a small shaper with a powered z axis. i had an 8 inch logan and when i ran it above a slow speed it would walk across the floor. had to bolt it down. that reverse clapper could solve the biggest pain of running a shaper, those darn chips.no matter what i did to control them,my wife was constantly finding them through out the house and in her washing machine. needless to say she was happy when i sold it .i'm sure you will find some interesting uses for yours.
+larry sperling Even with the pull type clapper box..chips in the whole house..and in the bed, ask my lady ;)
Please, do make a video on grinding tool bits, also do you have any ideas on a simple jig to get the proper angles on the tool bits for someone with less than steady hands such as myself. Thanks, Tim
Here it is 4 yrs and 10 months later since this video was made, and the Gack HE20 (even though 250mm smaller) or an Atlas 7in was in my sights, but ended up with a Klopp 450, and now in 2021 Dec started the restoration. The return stroke clapper,,,,and the attachment for cutting in internal key ways caught my attention (@@)!. Did watch that video as well, and my restoration will included a VFD to control the 2 speed 3ph newer motor. Any added thoughts, would be most appreciated. Bears Rod Shop in TX.
Very nice I like learning anything about shapers.
Hi Stefan,
If you make a video on grinding shaper tools, would you also show how to set the clapper box.
Thank you for all the great videos.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Always learn something. Thanks Stefan.
Noisy? Perhaps a worm or spiral bevel gear - cog belt?. Hmmm, are the current spur gears mating properly? I would expect there is an adjustment. I should really wait to hear it, LOL. No doubt you have checked this already.
Cool machine. Love the option of cutting on the return stroke
Love the shapers... my buddy has one and still uses it most everyday. If he sees the reverse clapper I may have a project on hand...LOL
Colin :-)
Very nice shaper Stefan. Going by the flaking that looks untouched on the rams ways in the video it seems it's had very little use since new and the previous owners lubed it as often as it should have been. But you've anticipated one of my future questions about that reverse style clapper box. Many thanks for taking the time to post the drawings on your website. That's a future project for my little South Bend for sure. Ever since you first mentioned that reverse clapper box it's made more than logical sense why that would work better on the smaller and maybe a bit less rigid shapers. Funny so few manufacturers built there machines with that option.
And it seems most of the shaper vises suffer from that part lifting issue. No one seems to make a short wide angle lock type vise that would work well on the smaller shapers either. Your idea of going to a grinding type vise with the solid fixed jaw to the rear and that reverse clapper box should work well even with there limited clamping power when compared to something like a much larger Kurt.
You probably already know it but others might not. A lot of the small shapers have phenolic bull gears in them so there's no metal to metal tooth contact with the associated gear noise. They come with a price though. Crash one of those shaper's hard enough and you will shear off teeth. But they are nice and quiet. Have to agree with Erling Weiseth as well. As always a very well done video.
By adding smal high speed grinder mounted on a place of a cutter you can easily make surface grinder with a precision you are talking about )
That could really have a place in a shop without a surface grinder......
I have some super hard bandsaw guides that need trued up. Perhaps with hand cranking the ram.....mmmmmm.......with a VFD the ram could be set to just the right slow speed.... wow
Found an old Dumore manual where they discuss mounting a "toolpost" grinder on a shaper ram. They said use an angle plate on the clapper box, wheel rotation should be so grit blows away from the ram.
beautiful shaper! the stroke-set handle on mine is bent like a banana :)
Very good video of your Gack shaper Stefan I have a Atlas 7" shaper that I just bought a few months ago and it is really fun to play with.
Hi Stefan, thanks a lot for your channel. Did you somewhere talk about the reasons, why you "abandoned" your shaper from your workshop?
"Don't slip a pipe over it and yank on it with 200 lbs." Amen Stefan!!! Common sense; no. The tighter the better... WRONG!
I have a friend who has sold quite a bit of second-hand machinery to me. The first thing that I do when I get one of his machines is put every one of the 3-jaw chucks into the scrap/rebuild bin. I can't tell you how many times I have had to use a pipe to loosen an abandoned part from one of his chucks.
200 lbs. equals 20,000 lbs. once a lever gets involved into the equation.
+automaton And then there was the guy using an impact wrench to move the jaws of a three jaw chuck...
Great demo about the how it looks and works....
I'll never enter a " Cleanliness contest " against you.... lol
Very interesting Stefan. I did prick my ears up when you mentioned the Australian shaper thinking that may be a tool worth chasing down... oh well.
Thank you so much Stefan, informative and educational.
Thanks again
Dave Lawrence
Curious why Bundeswehr would had such number of small shapers... Then remembered that G3 rifle was roller delayed with fluted chamber. If particular gun would be sticky on extraction, with this small machine armourers could tweak the chamber fluting.
By the large number of machines that the Bundeswehr had in storage, I think that was an attempt to save some desolate machine tool builders like Gack, Steinel and Klaiber.
But yeah, the BW has also machineshops for machine/vehicle and small arms repairs.
@@StefanGotteswinter And from 50s to 80s they prepared for mobilization. Machine tools could not be built fast, they had to be in storage, ready for use. Have a good summer weekend. I have greatly enjoyed your videos for many years. Greetings from Finland!
@@StefanGotteswinter G3 is kinda special case. If chamber is rough it will rip caseheads for lunch. It extracts very violently. I bet that touching G3 chambers was main job for stockpile of HE20s. Such small machine, but perfect for that job. Peacetime manufactured rifles very rarely have problems, but come hurried production of weapons and subpar ammo...
Great info. as always Im absorbing all that knowledge that you pass along. please do a tool grinding video. It seems most of the info. out there relates to the angles as used on the lantern style tool post. But like so many I use the Aloris style tool post. so please discuss the difference. Thanks for all you do.
Amazing machine. There was nothing to add so I didn't. Meanwhile, I discovered a channel with a steam-powered machine shop. It includes a shaper, which makes its debut in video 2. You might enjoy a steam-powered shaper. The channel is David Richards and (almost) every machine in it is 1925 or older. And the shaper is still working!
I always wondered what's the real difference in facing surface on mill with facing mill and shaper. MB one day you will be kind enough to make some comparison - like in those old advertisements on tv "One part I washed with regular washing compound and other - with Tide super clean")). I would love to see such comparison using surface plate for checking.
Thats actually a good idea for a video on surface finishes..thank you!
Facing with a shell endmill, fly cutter, shaper, surface grinder and so on..
Nice presentation of a great machine in a very informative video! Thanks for sharing. ;)
+Erling Weiseth I am very happy that I can share it with you guys :)
Nice video Stefan! May I ask, what kind of oil pump is that you're using? Is it something you've made or can it be bought? Looks really nice with the big base to give it stability so it doesn't get knocked over so easily.
+Daniel S Its a Mato oilcan - Very nice piece of kit, but not cheap. And even with the wide base I droped it about 300 times ;)
I think you should try knurling with the shaper. I can't think of any fundamental reason it wouldn't work provided you removed the clapper box and made the stroke shorter than the work piece so it doesn't lose contact.
+ElectricGears In Theory yes, but I realy would hesitate to put that much strain on the shaper - At least at such a small shaper. Maybe somebody like James Kilroy with his giant GE shaper could step in ;)
+Stefan Gotteswinter Shapers cut really nice vise jaws.
As an aussie I heard Australian shaper... My eyebrows rose to full height. Then I heard the correction to Austrian shaper and I thought 'Ah, that makes more sense!'
Good one, Arnie! I too, will be back.
Nice sized little machine. The gears are very noisy for a machine in such good condition though.
Please be careful when using the pull clapper box. They are very risky to use. The mounting is only good for compression and any crash, like a part slips in the vise for instance, can rip the box off the ram. Also any slip of the part, vise ect. can smash it into the machine ways.
nice job explaining workings looks excellent shape
Completely agree about the high angle shear tool with the big radius. It's the type I normally used in the shaper. Iron, mild steel, tool steels, bronzes even plastics. but if you think your shaper is loud we had a couple of Rockford hydraulic shapers. Nice machines but loud. I think they may of also been capable of cutting on the back stroke. Unfortunately shaper work is a dying skill with the exception of hobbiests
I think there are still a few weird applications where shapers and planers can shine, especially when it comes to very large machines..KLOPP still builts a very unique shaper to machine copper billets:
www.klopp.de/en/klopp-machine-tools/products/high-speed-shaping-machine/opt/nc/
Thanks for the video on your Gack Shaper very interesting. I have a Rockford 24" hydralic shaper thah I use in my shop
+THE IRONWORKER I have seen a 700mm mechanical shaper running - that thing was just formidable. I would love to have such a big shaper to just hog away material at an enourmous rate :)
Thanks for the explanation on the reverse clapper box. Never seen that kind of set up before here in the US.
Great video Stefan! Thanks for sharing.
Why mullernick is not uploading videos anymore?
+Asaad omar Personal reasons.
+Asaad omar If you watch his videos he will tell you himself.
+Asaad omar If you watch his videos he will tell you himself.
+Juan Rivero you mean he doesn't agree with youtube policies?
I really don't want to put words into Muellernick's mouth. As I said, watch his videos.
Nice machine, I have a similar sized shaper that has a straight cut bull gear and pinion, but it is almost silent. I wonder if there is a meshing problem with your yours?
+jdudb It might - I realy need to take the motor of anyway, because it seems there is an issue with the slider in the yoke...
+Stefan Gotteswinter Not necessarily. I just looked it up yesterday, as I will have to access mine too. It seems that I can access yoke as well as slider from the top, when the ram is in the full forward position. I once had the motor off and slider and joke removed, so I know about the necessary steps. I guess I'll try to do it the next days and will inform you if I succeed.
Frank
Great, great video. I have just started to learn the shaper. Horinzontal cutting is going allright. I have two questions 1) how do you control the dimensions of dove tails. it seems that it takes only s very small cut to change the part from just too small to much too large. 2) the grooving tools I have ground have the tendency of chattering in the beginning of the cut. Any ideas?thanks very much for your instructive videos, keep up the good work.
+Teunbaartman1
1. Same as on the milling machine, measuring with two pins and gage blocks and using a dial indicator to move the machine the desired distance, sneaking up to the final dimension.
2. I try to keep the groving tool as sharp as possible, with positive cutting angle and a nice chipbreaker, clearance angles should not be to big, otherwise the tool gets a bit flimsy...
thanks Stefan, going to try it today
Great video. I have an Atlas 7B and love it too. Have the Atlas shaper vise and it too has serious jaw lift problems. Would very much like too see your thoughts on tool grinding in a video. Your seems a bit low to the floor. Do you find yourself stooping over when running it? My shop made stand has the table height at 48 inches or about 120 cm. thanks again. M'G
+Kraig Gilkey Its average machine height, but I am pretty tall with slightly more than 2m (about 6'6")in total...
very interesting video, as always
What is the brand name of the pump oiler you are using in the video?
Thanks Stefan, nice presentation. I am running mine with way oil instead of grease as well. Unfortunately it has a bit of play between the rocker arm and the bronce (actually gunmetal or Rotguss as we call it here) drive block, telling me with a little "click" when it's longing for more oil, but the overall sound seems to be smoother than Yours. Do You have grease on the big inner gearwheel? You can easily access it, when the ram is in the forward position. If I remember it right, I used Molycote, which also contains graphite.
You forgot to tell about the nice dial gauge-holder, which came with Yours and is on my to do list (currently improvising using a small noga).
Also interesting to hear that You're not fully satisfied with the vice, as mine came without and so I am currently using one of these grinding vices, which works pretty well apart from the lack of rotation base. Maybe, I should just get a slightly bigger one and stick to that type of vice. Building a rotation base could then be a project for the shaper :-)
Frank
can you help with the pull type clapper box from this video, I am unable to get it from your website, the link is not working
stefan great shaper video. bob
+Robert Kutz Thank you!
Hi Stefan,
thanks for this very nice video, I enjoyed watching it very much. I have a AI Hembrug shaper and also like to use it very much (although I am nowhere near as skilled as you are). I will probably try to add a pull type clapperbox from your plans. My shaper has slanted ways for the table though, so I don't know if that is going to be a problem?
+Peter Heuts Wow, I looked at a picture of your machine - Thats a unique design - I have no idea how it would be affected with a pull type clapper box...but my gut-feeling is telling me you would be fine.
Ps: Dont sue me if the table gets ripped of the guideways ;)
See if you can talk MuellerNick into being a guest in your shop for a video. He never talked in his videos and seemed such a great resource for machinists, much too good to lose. I think he decided he could not abide Google+ (very smart man).
Sweet, maybe make vise a project.
Hi Stephen, A very good mechanic has more control with an air impact than your slapping that wrench handle with your hand, and a lot less nerve damage. Just wrist tighten and loosen with down strokes, and never pull the wrench up, no more slaps " bad habit" and your nuts will thank you.
Hi mate. I had the opportunity to buy a small shaper like your one, and I didn't. I can kick myself for letting it go. My motivation was that I wanted a mill, and should not buy a shaper. How irresponsibly stupid is that? And now I've got neither. Like I have said before, that is a very nice machine mate, well done.
+Marcel Timmers I was just thinking about your comment, and while a mill is certainly more versatile, the tooling to get it set up is astronomical in comparison to those 5 double ended bits and three clapper boxes I would think.
I still have neither a mill or a shaper either, and shapers are like a rare gem nowadays, and all of the ones I see for sale around here are in pieces but still have a big price tag...we can dream though, right mate?
How right you are. Not too long ago I drove for about 3-3.5 hours to have a look at a shaper, thinking, if it is a good one I'll throw it on the back of the ute. When I got there, the bloody thing was big enough to sink an aircraft carrier. so, not so much. Not so hot today, only 40.5c The dogs won't get a run today me thinks.
nice machine, yes we know Muellin Nick
Stefan, Thank you for your videos, I've learned a lot. I have an Ammco 7 inch, approximately 177 mm. This machine was built by Atlas for Ammco. I have found a link to a 1947 Operation manual wentztech.com/WebDisk/Metalworking/Shaper/Atlas%20Manual%20S7B%20Parts%20List%20Catalog%207B.pdf For the Atlas 7 inch shaper. The manual says the machine should be operated in only one direction and cautions users to be aware of three-phase motors and ensure that the direction of the motor's rotation be verified. I will add; the Atlas/Ammco shaper is designed such that the return stroke is much quicker than the power stroke. For anyone who might be interested in an Atlas or Atlas clone, be aware, the bull gear is made from a phenolic plastic that has a fiber reinforcement, it's entirely possible to crash these machines such that the bull gear gets stripped.
Respectfully yours, Olin
heh,,, I`ll be back :)
+Mr E I will!
Ok,
+Dennis Skerb :)
Lyle Peterson has a nice presentation on the Whitworth Scotch Yoke drive:
th-cam.com/video/Jx5nOn0tf_k/w-d-xo.html
+Thomas Coughran Right! I completely forgott about his video :)
Good one, Arnie! I too, will be back.