As an Agricultural Consultant I've used many different tractors on client farms or research stations and I purchased an Oggun for my own use. If you're looking for a front end loader or regular row crop tractor there are other machines that will better fit your needs. If you're looking for a precision cultivating tractor or a highly maneuverable machine for plot work or market garden farming, the Oggun may be one of your best choices. Although the Oggun takes a lot of ideas from the Allis G the two machines have a number of important differences: The Oggun is a significantly larger machine with about double the horsepower. The Oggun has a 6-spline PTO so most standard implements will work with it. The Oggun is completely hydraulic (power steering, hydraulic drive motors, mid-mount and rear 3-point arms, and a hydraulic pto), all using standard components so critical parts are available from most hydraulic suppliers rather than competing with antique tractor collectors on eBay. The tractor's systems are straight forward and easy to trouble shoot. The beefy frame welcomes modifications to be bolted or welded on so I consider the Oggun more of a 'tool system' than a simple tractor
This is the kind of forward thinking world view America once represented! Thanks and best wishes for this technology, looks like a win win to me. Be well
Great video Mike. This gentleman is a true visionary, the kind of person that made this country what it is today. I bet when they are able to be imported into Cuba a lot of people and companies will want to contribute to donate one of these wonderful machines to a poor farmer there to help them, since it is so capable and well thought out. Thank you.
This gentleman is obviously extremely intelligent .... and he is making outstanding sense with his business model concept.... it makes perfect sense to me that he is working outside of Corporate Business ... another plank in his platform or root for his tree ... is the community of people who will take hold of this universal power platform and develop improvements and more implements... independently... working long hours with no cost to this company... and those components will become part of the growing list of products his company can offer at a competitive price.. even DIY folks will buy this tractor because they are driven by $ and efficiency not just "I want to build something"... the competitive pricing will hook them and the open source for repairs and upgrades will land them and close the deal. Folks that say this concept won't work are not connecting the dots .... who would ever choose to have a baby if they only considered the cost and aggravation of getting a baby out of diapers ? That's a bit of a jump in metaphors but I think it works, 😀 . Best wishes to Horace's loaves and fishes.
Hi Roy from ny small veggie. Farmer I admire you and your company more than you know I will own one of these tractors and I wish you all the success you deserve you can be proud of who you are and what you stand for have a great new year.
This is one perfect tractor for the modern homesteader on small acreage. We have looked at cub farmals an several other designs with the plows in front so you can see what you are plowing and how deep to let the plows down without covering up the plants.Do you have plows and sweeps that go with this tractor? Our channel uses different products made by different companies.Hoss tools has been one of our best hand tools so far. But this looks like it would really benifit the modern homesteader movement in this country.We would love to show your product to our subscribers. Thanks and have a Blessed day
So how has this worked out so far for this machine? What are he updates for 2022? Have efforts been made to utilize this machine in South America or Asia yet as was mentioned? ---So these used to be called the Iron Horse tractor but now they are called the Oggun tractor? You mean that the Iron Horse name will change based on whatever each market wants to call it or is the Iron Horse name to be eliminated? Doesn't this cause confusion? How would you contrast this with the Tilmor Tractor? Are there any other similar style tractors ?(rwd with rear engine and drive-train with many implements mounted in the middle). This one seems more economical and perhaps a bit smaller and lighter than the Tilmor which is just great as that would be all required in many instances. I also like the idea of simple and relatively easy and reasonable repair of the Oggun. What is the weight of this machine (without an operator of course). And what is the weight distribution. It must be over 70% of the weight on the rear wheels---even more with a 200 lb man onboard--is that right?
I appreciate the respect and acknowledgment given to the wonderful and still working AC-G. I like the idea and think it's going to do very well. I hope they add more tractors like this that are modern parts store builds based on successful old designs. Like the Farmall A and 140. Based on all the popularity of restoring the 9n-8n Fords I would think one like that with independent hydraulics and pto could also do well. Parts are cheap and readily available for the N series, but they're geared too high for what most small farmers want and the Sherman step down trans is too scarce for most people and the Howard 2 speed is even harder to find
Interesting looking tractor. Reminds me of the old tractors that could use mid mount cultivators, discs, etc. Glad to see the engine in the back for more weight since it's 2 wheel drive.
Our Family owns an old Tuff Bilt Tractor, which is what this is a knock off of. Its a great design and exceptionally versatile for many jobs around a small farm.
Most of the parts for conversion are off the shelf bolt-ons for the G because the engine is in the back. For the Cub, we had to create a steel structure to replace the 4 cylinder engine which ties the front end of the tractor to the rear end. That was complex, but Dave, our mechanic, was up to the task. Only a few parts had to be fabricated; almost all the parts were off the shelf. Contact Dave for more information cedarcircleshop@gmail.com
I remember seeing a GE electric powered garden tractor the voltage was 120 /10 Batt with a DC-AC converter witch made it very handy for useing 120 AC power tools out in the yard
I just revisited this video. I see now the company is still in business, thats good. Looks like they added a roll bar and thats great. Those old Allis G were widow makers because they didn't have any protection at all. But they need a diesel option. Storage of gasoline is a real issue.
Re power plant, considering its diminutive size, I wonder if they could power it electrically. Make batteries easily replaceable so you could recharge them with solar. I saw a video a couple years ago where a guy had refit a little allis like that and it appeared to work quite well.
I greatly appreciate the comment, I've discovered a program that can take sound from a spring Ozark's day with a howling wind and clean it up. Can't believe I found it, can't believe I figured out how to make it work. It's a time-consuming computer process but it sure does even out the sound. Thanks for noticing!
Sorely needed IF it is efficient in power to weight ratio for gas use. Can't believe they had to give up the diesel in the US but then again I can. Mike, what is the HP engine and PTO, and does it come with remotes? New tractors are junk and propitiatory in software and electronics. They are not the farmer's friend. This tractor idea is very exciting and thanks for posting Mike.
Hi Michael, the engine HP is 19 and the PTO is 17. The Oggun Tractor does not have any proprietary software, electronics or mechanical components. All components are either off the shelf, or designs are provided to customers. Our view is that if it's your tractor you should be able to fix it, adapt it or use if however you want.
Its completely hydraulic drive so it behaves like a hydrostatic. The Oggun excels at precision cultivation rather than primary tillage. Although they have a 1-bottom moldboard plow available, for plowing or disking anything larger than a garden I'd choose a larger tractor. My Oggun does fine with pair of 16" sugarbeet cultivators on the mid-mount lift arms or with a 6' wide danish tine cultivator on the rear lift arms but I wouldn't choose it for plowing more than an acre or two.
Very, very cool. looks simple to operate, I'd bet there will be lots of applications in the next few years, especially since it comes apart in the middle...
Interesting philosophy and history behind the project. If you're still reading the comments, try getting in touch with groups like Open Source Ecology or Cooperation Jackson. Cooperatives are the future.
The biggest difference is the Open System Manufacturing model, where all parts can be sourced locally within 50 miles of your farm rather than go back to the dealer. Oggún is also independent hydraulic wheel drive and all the latest technology.
It sounds crazy, and a step backwards, but how about wooden fenders? The organic farmers might like the wood look, and it could still last for years and not be difficult to replace. Maybe just some steel brackets, to support wood.
That sounds like a great idea for the small farmers and many like myself would love to have one like that since we don't do farming all year long like the big guys.
This is genius. It just needs a belly mower and a higher HP engine upgrade option. I know it's not marketed as a mowing machine but seems like it would work well due to it's high, open center, tight turn radius and decent fuel efficiency.
Long history with Tuff-Bilt, started out as Thomas-Bilt in Cummings Ga. Thomas sold the business, but not the name, to Wallace of Cummings, thus Tuff-Bilt. Wallace sold the name and business to an Alabama company, who sold the name and business to a Nebraska company, We are significantly different. The biggest difference is the Open System Manufacturing model, where all parts can be sourced locally within 50 miles of your farm rather than go back to the dealer. We are Cat 1 not 0. Oggún is also independent hydraulic wheel drive using only the latest technology from global suppliers.
So how much do they retail for? Important information. You should have told us where to contact them at least.. I did it for you.. They go for about $12,500.. Thats two used ford 3000s. Oggun has a FB page, too.
Please see website for implements thinkoggun.com/implements We have a Kohler air cooled diesel for International. If you have other questions give me a call. (256) 655-8792
Similar design as to the Allis Chalmers G, which is loved by vegetable growers. I've been trying to get an Allis Chalmers G but they are hard to get ahold of, glad you are making something similar. Plus I love the ease of service, just like the old Farmalls, designed to be worked on by the end consumer! Good luck I hope it works out!!
There would be a huge market for this in Australia. Lots of small acre properties with machinery being very expensive (even second hand ancient rusty things) and very little revenue from produce due to 'big business'. Lots of small acres can not afford tractors here and often rely on quads etc pulling implements which can be dangerous or 'cheap Chinese' tractors which frequently break putting up cost of maintenance. They are the people that just want to grow for local markets or for self sufficient families.
I really see africa is going to be the fastest growing ag sector in the next 15 years. But this is a neat concept coming back from the day. I have always liked the allis chalmers G, they are pretty fun to drive and offer a lot of cool features. They are rare and getting expensive these days. I think the oggun does have some good potential uses, but I am not a huge fan of the small gas motors. They just dont last like a heavier motor or a diesel. I used to work in a horse event building, we had commercial sweepers that would burn up a motor in 1200 hours, Like total failure( rod through side wall). Isnt the tier 4 emissions only horse power restricted, so if under 25 horsepower it should be ok? I mean the little gas motors are easily replaced and could probably be easily adapted to use of domesticly produced motors in other countries. But If I was buying one in USA for a vegetable farm. I would most definitely want a diesel and would pay more for it, but time you add the costs, you could buy a kioti ck 2510 gear transmission for 13500 with the deals they have now, instead of the 12500 they have for the oggun online. True any smallengine repair place would be able to service it or diy. But I also would prefer a liquid cooled motor, Because to be honest, thats what destroy these small motors in the first place. I like how they left it open to allow more air flow, but once that gets covered in dust and gunk, it will get hot quick under the load tillage puts on it. Still all in all a cool design coming back, and being a start up I wish them the best.
I was looking around and did find this as well www.tuff-bilt.com/tractors.html got some competition. That being said, the oggun looks to be a little more advanced and a bit bigger tho.
Great questions. While it does solve a lot of the maintenance issues with current tractors, there really aren't a lot of maintenance issues with compacts. Outside of the Tier IV stuff, and we're all still on the learning curve there, the current crop of small tractors is pretty reliable. The third world problem is pretty complex the way I see it. You generally don't have a strong dealer network to support anybody's product, so if a tractor goes down, it can sit a long time waiting on parts, so the simplicity of the Oggun means you should be able to keep it running, regardless of where you are. I know a few years ago Massey brought back what looked like a new version of the old 135 targeted for Africa, with really simple design and no bells or whistles and I have never heard a word about how it's doing. I really like Mr. Clemmons ideas...wanting to have the tractor manufactured in the country where it'll be used would be awesome, and put the source of the parts a lot closer to where they're needed. He's a bit of an idealist, and I don''t think he's in it for the money, but to help the world be a better place and I totally respect that. We need a few more of him. I like his ideas and philosophy, he's headed the right direction. It'll be very interesting to see where it all goes.
I think I looked at a massey ferguson web page a few months ago and together with some local firm they had a 135 in Kenya. Couldn't find that now but what I found now was a 35! >>>>Edit: Looked closer and the online broschure, it was this page (link below) that I had looked at so I have not seen any 135.
About time American made...good job...I designed and built my own stuff for years..add a loader,beef up the frame,stay air cooled.cut the cost,and put a cab on it.and keep it dry....
Allis Chalmers was always disapointed that the model G didn't sell better. It's competitors didn't sell, either. Haven't seen much of the modern competitors to this one, so I infer they're not selling, either. Instead of the model G, I would mimick the A-C model B. Similar market, and sold well.
Mike; I noticed his cap had the eagle, globe & anchor(which is well-known to me) but he didn't mention a connection. Did that come up? Also, did you know that virtually all the reported alien abductions seem to occur near Fyffe? Seriously, I loved the video & it does scream Allis G.
Once a Marine always a Marine, it is forever part of who you are and what you do. And yes, Fyffe is known for UFO Days facebook.com/FyffeUFODays Horace Clemmons (Cleber Oggun tractor)
This guy has it the right idea....build what people need at a price that is reasonable......sell a good product that is easily able to be maintained without proprietary parts.....people are much more likely to buy something that they are sure they can get parts for even if their and your respective governments gets the shits on with each other in a few years time.....as seems to happen every time one side or the other wins a national election
Neat piece of equipment, but I don't see the US being a primary market for a few reasons. First of all, the US hobby farmer/market farmer has a love affair with the tractor front end loader. Not having a FEL is a huge no-no in today's low end market. Second, paying 12K for a tractor, and I'm assuming that price is for a bare tractor without cultivators or the chisel plow, is fine on the surface, except for that money you can get an older diesel tractor with far more grunt than that little air cooled gasser. I just checked my local dealer, and for 9k you can get a 75HP Deere with 3000 hours on it, which means you probably have another 6-7 thousand hours left in the engine, or, for 15k you can get a 160+HP Case with about 6500 hours on the clock, which will still outlast the air cooled gas engine on the Oggun. Third, the cultivator tractors like the Alis G were really good for one product in particular, tobacco. With the US tobacco market being in the crapper and most farmers turning to other cash crops the design isn't as useful as it once was. All that said I wouldn't turn you down if you gave me the key to one. It's still a fine piece of kit and should do well internationally, especially in places like the Ukraine. Not every product is a fit for every market. I would suggest adding belly mowers, both a finish mower and a shredder, as the high clearance and good turning radius would make it very useful for pasture maintenance.
We have a front end loader and a 5ft. hydraulic belly finish mower in the works. Both will available by August. Purchase price is only part of the money that comes out of the farmers pocket. Cost of ownership over 5 years can end up being greater than the purchase price. Because all parts are available locally and you can fix in the field, up-time is greater than the JD. A further note on the JD - it is not a cultivating tractor. Ours was developed for the emerging fresh to market and organic growers, which is seeing significant growth in the US today. Please take a look at our website www.thinkoggun.com to see more.
,"Tobacco only" nonsense....every vegetable needs some cultivation....either chemically or mechanically, I think India, Russia and other mid wage countries could benefit from this little tractor, it is a row crop, FEL is not required, in my county we have just about wore out all the Farmall A, C, 100 and 140. We need a good new replacement, a good supply of implements are a must: planters, fertilize dist, sprayer, plows, and of course cultivation.
I definitely see this tractor storming the market if they can get the price under $10,000 to the consumer. Around my area the $10,000+ market is just unobtainable for small or beginner farmers. like said in the video, large, cheap, 30yr old tractors are readily available. unfortunately there parts are not and repair prices high as most are worn out. Cost of operation is too high because its not efficient to use machinery like that at all Either. I believe the keeping the price under $10,000 will be what gets this tractor rolling on the American market and getting it on small farms.
Half the metal for the same price as a Branson PACKAGE DEAL that includes loader and several of the most common implements and a trailer.... It does get some more ground clearance than the small utility tractors the same power class... . Note that the price has gone up a lot since this video was made.
Excellent idea, but we've got to do something about the name if it's going to be a commercial success in the United States. It was named for Cuba, where it couldn't succeed for political reasons (where you see "political", read "international pissing match"). In the United States, they ought to try to license an existing tractor brand name or focus on some kind of iconic name. Also, the tractor needs a hood to protect the engine. It's going to get rained into, so it needs to be protected from direct rain entry while still providing enough openness for ventilation of the air-cooled engine. A hood is just a bent piece of metal in this case.
The customers that want a hood are more than welcome to add the hood they would like. For those that can't afford the extra cost of a hood, they can park it in a barn. You'll also notice that there is no logo anywhere on this tractor - you can name it whatever you want. It's your tractor; not ours :)
I think he said that in the video. He did, for sure, say it in the interview, I apologize if I edited it out, they do pay homage to the Allis G when they're discussing the design process.
Seatbelt but no ROPS? That is a stupid dangerous combination. Best is a ROPS with a seatbelt, but if you cannot have a RPOS, then keep your seat belt off and hope you can jump in time. (I don't have faith in your ability to jump, but it is your best chance of living through a roll over)
You are right, this is our demo tractor it had ROPS, but would not fit through some of the doors we needed to go through, so we took them off. Configuration is, no ROPS, seat sensor, ROPS seatbelt sensor. Thanks for pointing that out. Horace Clemmons
As an Agricultural Consultant I've used many different tractors on client farms or research stations and I purchased an Oggun for my own use. If you're looking for a front end loader or regular row crop tractor there are other machines that will better fit your needs. If you're looking for a precision cultivating tractor or a highly maneuverable machine for plot work or market garden farming, the Oggun may be one of your best choices. Although the Oggun takes a lot of ideas from the Allis G the two machines have a number of important differences: The Oggun is a significantly larger machine with about double the horsepower. The Oggun has a 6-spline PTO so most standard implements will work with it. The Oggun is completely hydraulic (power steering, hydraulic drive motors, mid-mount and rear 3-point arms, and a hydraulic pto), all using standard components so critical parts are available from most hydraulic suppliers rather than competing with antique tractor collectors on eBay. The tractor's systems are straight forward and easy to trouble shoot. The beefy frame welcomes modifications to be bolted or welded on so I consider the Oggun more of a 'tool system' than a simple tractor
I love it it brings back memories of the Allis Chalmers model g
This is genius and certainly fills a much needed niche in the small farm market. Best of luck.
This is the kind of forward thinking world view America once represented! Thanks and best wishes for this technology, looks like a win win to me. Be well
Do you have a row crop planter for this unit? Looks great.
Great video Mike. This gentleman is a true visionary, the kind of person that made this country what it is today. I bet when they are able to be imported into Cuba a lot of people and companies will want to contribute to donate one of these wonderful machines to a poor farmer there to help them, since it is so capable and well thought out. Thank you.
We need more idealists.
This gentleman is obviously extremely intelligent .... and he is making outstanding sense with his business model concept.... it makes perfect sense to me that he is working outside of Corporate Business ... another plank in his platform or root for his tree ... is the community of people who will take hold of this universal power platform and develop improvements and more implements... independently... working long hours with no cost to this company... and those components will become part of the growing list of products his company can offer at a competitive price.. even DIY folks will buy this tractor because they are driven by $ and efficiency not just "I want to build something"... the competitive pricing will hook them and the open source for repairs and upgrades will land them and close the deal. Folks that say this concept won't work are not connecting the dots .... who would ever choose to have a baby if they only considered the cost and aggravation of getting a baby out of diapers ? That's a bit of a jump in metaphors but I think it works, 😀 . Best wishes to Horace's loaves and fishes.
Hi Roy from ny small veggie. Farmer I admire you and your company more than you know I will own one of these tractors and I wish you all the success you deserve you can be proud of who you are and what you stand for have a great new year.
Thanks, look forward to getting you order or phone call (256) 655-8792
This is one perfect tractor for the modern homesteader on small acreage. We have looked at cub farmals an several other designs with the plows in front so you can see what you are plowing and how deep to let the plows down without covering up the plants.Do you have plows and sweeps that go with this tractor? Our channel uses different products made by different companies.Hoss tools has been one of our best hand tools so far. But this looks like it would really benifit the modern homesteader movement in this country.We would love to show your product to our subscribers. Thanks and have a Blessed day
So how has this worked out so far for this machine? What are he updates for 2022? Have efforts been made to utilize this machine in South America or Asia yet as was mentioned? ---So these used to be called the Iron Horse tractor but now they are called the Oggun tractor? You mean that the Iron Horse name will change based on whatever each market wants to call it or is the Iron Horse name to be eliminated? Doesn't this cause confusion? How would you contrast this with the Tilmor Tractor? Are there any other similar style tractors ?(rwd with rear engine and drive-train with many implements mounted in the middle). This one seems more economical and perhaps a bit smaller and lighter than the Tilmor which is just great as that would be all required in many instances. I also like the idea of simple and relatively easy and reasonable repair of the Oggun. What is the weight of this machine (without an operator of course). And what is the weight distribution. It must be over 70% of the weight on the rear wheels---even more with a 200 lb man onboard--is that right?
I appreciate the respect and acknowledgment given to the wonderful and still working AC-G. I like the idea and think it's going to do very well. I hope they add more tractors like this that are modern parts store builds based on successful old designs. Like the Farmall A and 140. Based on all the popularity of restoring the 9n-8n Fords I would think one like that with independent hydraulics and pto could also do well. Parts are cheap and readily available for the N series, but they're geared too high for what most small farmers want and the Sherman step down trans is too scarce for most people and the Howard 2 speed is even harder to find
nice one, makes me think of the david-brown 2D rowcrop from the 60's.
Interesting looking tractor. Reminds me of the old tractors that could use mid mount cultivators, discs, etc. Glad to see the engine in the back for more weight since it's 2 wheel drive.
That's straight up a modern day Allis Chalmers model G.
Very clever and should go over well. I would love to have one of these. Nice job Oggun.
Great report Mike. that's great to see entrepreneurship in America is alive and well. I wish them success
Our Family owns an old Tuff Bilt Tractor, which is what this is a knock off of. Its a great design and exceptionally versatile for many jobs around a small farm.
They’re all knock offs of the allis chalmers g
We converted a G and an IH Cub to electric. Favorite cultivating and mowing tractors of our staff.
Would love to talk to someone about the detail on the effort that it took and the operational aspects. Horace Clemmons Cleber Oggun (256) 655-8792
Will Allen I would like to know more about the electric cub
Most of the parts for conversion are off the shelf bolt-ons for the G because the engine is in the back. For the Cub, we had to create a steel structure to replace the 4 cylinder engine which ties the front end of the tractor to the rear end. That was complex, but Dave, our mechanic, was up to the task. Only a few parts had to be fabricated; almost all the parts were off the shelf. Contact Dave for more information cedarcircleshop@gmail.com
How long do they run before needing rechargeing
I remember seeing a GE electric powered garden tractor the voltage was 120 /10 Batt with a DC-AC converter witch made it very handy for useing 120 AC power tools out in the yard
Reminds me of the Bosco MUTT but this one looks like it handles attachments better. Great job!
Mike, you are great at doing interviews.
Richard, thank you! I appreciate you watching and commenting :).
Great feature Mike!
race car builders, if you don't need it, well, its just weight. what a great concept, hat's off!
A farm tractor by Colin Chapman? Now that would be interesting! And of course Lamborghini started with tractors.
I just revisited this video. I see now the company is still in business, thats good. Looks like they added a roll bar and thats great. Those old Allis G were widow makers because they didn't have any protection at all. But they need a diesel option. Storage of gasoline is a real issue.
Re power plant, considering its diminutive size, I wonder if they could power it electrically. Make batteries easily replaceable so you could recharge them with solar. I saw a video a couple years ago where a guy had refit a little allis like that and it appeared to work quite well.
Inspiring and fair business model - I hope you succeed.
They look like a tilmor or a alis g how much for one to cultivate with in bad need of one specific for that reason
Very interesting stuff. Cool product, and a guy doing it for the right reasons.
Very good video, Mike!
....Getting Better All The Time....Nice Interview, clear video and sound, and great camera work following that tractor up-close....
I greatly appreciate the comment, I've discovered a program that can take sound from a spring Ozark's day with a howling wind and clean it up. Can't believe I found it, can't believe I figured out how to make it work. It's a time-consuming computer process but it sure does even out the sound. Thanks for noticing!
I want one. I wonder if they'd sell it as a kit for a discount.
Are these the Tuff Bilt tractors?
Can this be bought in Canada
Do you sell in the Philippines?
Now that's an innovator! No need for separate rear brakes to turn that tractor.
Sorely needed IF it is efficient in power to weight ratio for gas use. Can't believe they had to give up the diesel in the US but then again I can. Mike, what is the HP engine and PTO, and does it come with remotes? New tractors are junk and propitiatory in software and electronics. They are not the farmer's friend. This tractor idea is very exciting and thanks for posting Mike.
Hi Michael, the engine HP is 19 and the PTO is 17. The Oggun Tractor does not have any proprietary software, electronics or mechanical components. All components are either off the shelf, or designs are provided to customers. Our view is that if it's your tractor you should be able to fix it, adapt it or use if however you want.
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What a great episode! Love positive world changing projects like this. :-)
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Is it hydrostatic? Can it do heavy tillage, ie plowing?
Its completely hydraulic drive so it behaves like a hydrostatic. The Oggun excels at precision cultivation rather than primary tillage. Although they have a 1-bottom moldboard plow available, for plowing or disking anything larger than a garden I'd choose a larger tractor. My Oggun does fine with pair of 16" sugarbeet cultivators on the mid-mount lift arms or with a 6' wide danish tine cultivator on the rear lift arms but I wouldn't choose it for plowing more than an acre or two.
are they available in fourwheel drive.
Very, very cool. looks simple to operate, I'd bet there will be lots of applications in the next few years, especially since it comes apart in the middle...
Interesting philosophy and history behind the project. If you're still reading the comments, try getting in touch with groups like Open Source Ecology or Cooperation Jackson. Cooperatives are the future.
Familiar with Open Source Ecology, looking into Cooperation Jackson. Give me a call sometime if you want to talk. Number on website.
I like that tractor, it could be one of the greatest row crop tractors ever
What a great Business model.
Wow, incredible concept!
although i really like design will they be available in Canada i might buy one.
Very similar to the Thomas-Bilt tractors made in Cumming Georgia during the 70's.
The biggest difference is the Open System Manufacturing model, where all parts can be sourced locally within 50 miles of your farm rather than go back to the dealer. Oggún is also independent hydraulic wheel drive and all the latest technology.
That's a real cute way of saying "We copied an old design"
It wasn't meant to be cute or insulting. Just stating a visual observation.
Harry Ferguson started out with the same attitude. Well done that man.
That's awesome Mike. That's for sharing that. Made In The USA. Whats not to like.
It sounds crazy, and a step backwards, but how about wooden fenders? The organic farmers might like the wood look, and it could still last for years and not be difficult to replace. Maybe just some steel brackets, to support wood.
It's funny how many people post a comment without LISTENING to the video, and then think they are smart for saying it looks like an Allis Chalmers G.
I think they need some Hoyt Clagwell tractors, or perhaps Cockford Ollie tractors.
Very interesting video Mike.
That sounds like a great idea for the small farmers and many like myself would love to have one like that since we don't do farming all year long like the big guys.
Genius tractor idea
This is genius. It just needs a belly mower and a higher HP engine upgrade option. I know it's not marketed as a mowing machine but seems like it would work well due to it's high, open center, tight turn radius and decent fuel efficiency.
Looks a lot like tuff-bilt to me, weren't they also in Alabama?
Long history with Tuff-Bilt, started out as Thomas-Bilt in Cummings Ga. Thomas sold the business, but not the name, to Wallace of Cummings, thus Tuff-Bilt. Wallace sold the name and business to an Alabama company, who sold the name and business to a Nebraska company, We are significantly different. The biggest difference is the Open System Manufacturing model, where all parts can be sourced locally within 50 miles of your farm rather than go back to the dealer. We are Cat 1 not 0. Oggún is also independent hydraulic wheel drive using only the latest technology from global suppliers.
Can I get that with AC and GPS?
Lucky Goose, we are working on a cab with all of that, a coffee maker and a queen size bed. Horace Clemmons CleBer Oggun Tractor
So how much do they retail for? Important information. You should have told us where to contact them at least.. I did it for you.. They go for about $12,500.. Thats two used ford 3000s. Oggun has a FB page, too.
when will this guy apply this model to consumer automobiles?
First we will use the back half of the tractor (Universal Power Platform, see our website) to build a small truck.
What implements are available? where can I see a spec sheet? what brand engine, Internstional. does the deisel version need DEF?
Please see website for implements thinkoggun.com/implements We have a Kohler air cooled diesel for International. If you have other questions give me a call. (256) 655-8792
Similar design as to the Allis Chalmers G, which is loved by vegetable growers. I've been trying to get an Allis Chalmers G but they are hard to get ahold of, glad you are making something similar. Plus I love the ease of service, just like the old Farmalls, designed to be worked on by the end consumer! Good luck I hope it works out!!
I need that tractor today!!
There would be a huge market for this in Australia. Lots of small acre properties with machinery being very expensive (even second hand ancient rusty things) and very little revenue from produce due to 'big business'. Lots of small acres can not afford tractors here and often rely on quads etc pulling implements which can be dangerous or 'cheap Chinese' tractors which frequently break putting up cost of maintenance. They are the people that just want to grow for local markets or for self sufficient families.
We have a distributor in Australia. For more info take a look at our website and send us an email.
Fascinating!
I really see africa is going to be the fastest growing ag sector in the next 15 years. But this is a neat concept coming back from the day. I have always liked the allis chalmers G, they are pretty fun to drive and offer a lot of cool features. They are rare and getting expensive these days. I think the oggun does have some good potential uses, but I am not a huge fan of the small gas motors. They just dont last like a heavier motor or a diesel. I used to work in a horse event building, we had commercial sweepers that would burn up a motor in 1200 hours, Like total failure( rod through side wall). Isnt the tier 4 emissions only horse power restricted, so if under 25 horsepower it should be ok? I mean the little gas motors are easily replaced and could probably be easily adapted to use of domesticly produced motors in other countries. But If I was buying one in USA for a vegetable farm. I would most definitely want a diesel and would pay more for it, but time you add the costs, you could buy a kioti ck 2510 gear transmission for 13500 with the deals they have now, instead of the 12500 they have for the oggun online. True any smallengine repair place would be able to service it or diy. But I also would prefer a liquid cooled motor, Because to be honest, thats what destroy these small motors in the first place. I like how they left it open to allow more air flow, but once that gets covered in dust and gunk, it will get hot quick under the load tillage puts on it. Still all in all a cool design coming back, and being a start up I wish them the best.
I was looking around and did find this as well
www.tuff-bilt.com/tractors.html
got some competition. That being said, the oggun looks to be a little more advanced and a bit bigger tho.
Great questions. While it does solve a lot of the maintenance issues with current tractors, there really aren't a lot of maintenance issues with compacts. Outside of the Tier IV stuff, and we're all still on the learning curve there, the current crop of small tractors is pretty reliable. The third world problem is pretty complex the way I see it. You generally don't have a strong dealer network to support anybody's product, so if a tractor goes down, it can sit a long time waiting on parts, so the simplicity of the Oggun means you should be able to keep it running, regardless of where you are. I know a few years ago Massey brought back what looked like a new version of the old 135 targeted for Africa, with really simple design and no bells or whistles and I have never heard a word about how it's doing. I really like Mr. Clemmons ideas...wanting to have the tractor manufactured in the country where it'll be used would be awesome, and put the source of the parts a lot closer to where they're needed. He's a bit of an idealist, and I don''t think he's in it for the money, but to help the world be a better place and I totally respect that. We need a few more of him. I like his ideas and philosophy, he's headed the right direction. It'll be very interesting to see where it all goes.
I think I looked at a massey ferguson web page a few months ago and together with some local firm they had a 135 in Kenya. Couldn't find that now but what I found now was a 35!
>>>>Edit: Looked closer and the online broschure, it was this page (link below) that I had looked at so I have not seen any 135.
Can It run a mower?
Neo Blackjack thee enraged it has a 3 point hitch and a rear pto shaft so...yeah
Good looking machine.
I like him, he reminds me of Ross Perot and Jimmy Carter, Good stuff..
This is great!
This tractor concept is similar to a "Tinkabi" built in Swaziland years ago. Local manufacture the key.
The skid steer idea is needed greatly.
Mrsouthernsurvivor the gator or side by side utility is also a good idea
Yes sir. I like the versatility of the chassis.
Still 10,000 is a steep price
If you research the tractor in depth you will see 10k.
About time American made...good job...I designed and built my own stuff for years..add a loader,beef up the frame,stay air cooled.cut the cost,and put a cab on it.and keep it dry....
Allis Chalmers was always disapointed that the model G didn't sell better. It's competitors didn't sell, either. Haven't seen much of the modern competitors to this one, so I infer they're not selling, either. Instead of the model G, I would mimick the A-C model B. Similar market, and sold well.
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@thereverend i agree its an allis model g , nothing new ,
GR8 Idea !!!!
Mike; I noticed his cap had the eagle, globe & anchor(which is well-known to me) but he didn't mention a connection. Did that come up? Also, did you know that virtually all the reported alien abductions seem to occur near Fyffe? Seriously, I loved the video & it does scream Allis G.
Once a Marine always a Marine, it is forever part of who you are and what you do. And yes, Fyffe is known for UFO Days
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Indeed - God bless you Marine (I was also when much younger in Khe Sahn, Vietnam). I too love tractors & your idea is a great idea. Best of luck.
This guy has it the right idea....build what people need at a price that is reasonable......sell a good product that is easily able to be maintained without proprietary parts.....people are much more likely to buy something that they are sure they can get parts for even if their and your respective governments gets the shits on with each other in a few years time.....as seems to happen every time one side or the other wins a national election
Look at a Terrateck or a Mazzotti, toolcarrier, many others, being around for a long time.
Sorry for taking so long to respond. It is very much like them in everything except cost. They are around $40,000.00 and Oggun is $12,500.00
Neat piece of equipment, but I don't see the US being a primary market for a few reasons.
First of all, the US hobby farmer/market farmer has a love affair with the tractor front end loader. Not having a FEL is a huge no-no in today's low end market.
Second, paying 12K for a tractor, and I'm assuming that price is for a bare tractor without cultivators or the chisel plow, is fine on the surface, except for that money you can get an older diesel tractor with far more grunt than that little air cooled gasser. I just checked my local dealer, and for 9k you can get a 75HP Deere with 3000 hours on it, which means you probably have another 6-7 thousand hours left in the engine, or, for 15k you can get a 160+HP Case with about 6500 hours on the clock, which will still outlast the air cooled gas engine on the Oggun.
Third, the cultivator tractors like the Alis G were really good for one product in particular, tobacco. With the US tobacco market being in the crapper and most farmers turning to other cash crops the design isn't as useful as it once was.
All that said I wouldn't turn you down if you gave me the key to one. It's still a fine piece of kit and should do well internationally, especially in places like the Ukraine. Not every product is a fit for every market. I would suggest adding belly mowers, both a finish mower and a shredder, as the high clearance and good turning radius would make it very useful for pasture maintenance.
We have a front end loader and a 5ft. hydraulic belly finish mower in the works. Both will available by August.
Purchase price is only part of the money that comes out of the farmers pocket. Cost of ownership over 5 years can end up being greater than the purchase price. Because all parts are available locally and you can fix in the field, up-time is greater than the JD.
A further note on the JD - it is not a cultivating tractor. Ours was developed for the emerging fresh to market and organic growers, which is seeing significant growth in the US today.
Please take a look at our website www.thinkoggun.com to see more.
Oggún I'm glad to see that style of tractor being made again.
,"Tobacco only" nonsense....every vegetable needs some cultivation....either chemically or mechanically, I think India, Russia and other mid wage countries could benefit from this little tractor, it is a row crop, FEL is not required, in my county we have just about wore out all the Farmall A, C, 100 and 140. We need a good new replacement, a good supply of implements are a must: planters, fertilize dist, sprayer, plows, and of course cultivation.
I definitely see this tractor storming the market if they can get the price under $10,000 to the consumer. Around my area the $10,000+ market is just unobtainable for small or beginner farmers. like said in the video, large, cheap, 30yr old tractors are readily available. unfortunately there parts are not and repair prices high as most are worn out. Cost of operation is too high because its not efficient to use machinery like that at all Either.
I believe the keeping the price under $10,000 will be what gets this tractor rolling on the American market and getting it on small farms.
that looks very much like a Tuff-Bilt tractor.
We all look like the "G" Take a look at our website and you will see how we are different from Tuff-Bilt, J.D., Kubota and others www.thinkoggun.com
exactly
Half the metal for the same price as a Branson PACKAGE DEAL that includes loader and several of the most common implements and a trailer....
It does get some more ground clearance than the small utility tractors the same power class...
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Note that the price has gone up a lot since this video was made.
Excellent idea, but we've got to do something about the name if it's going to be a commercial success in the United States. It was named for Cuba, where it couldn't succeed for political reasons (where you see "political", read "international pissing match"). In the United States, they ought to try to license an existing tractor brand name or focus on some kind of iconic name. Also, the tractor needs a hood to protect the engine. It's going to get rained into, so it needs to be protected from direct rain entry while still providing enough openness for ventilation of the air-cooled engine. A hood is just a bent piece of metal in this case.
The customers that want a hood are more than welcome to add the hood they would like. For those that can't afford the extra cost of a hood, they can park it in a barn.
You'll also notice that there is no logo anywhere on this tractor - you can name it whatever you want. It's your tractor; not ours :)
Third world farmers don't have barns
Yep, that's an XL Allis Chalmers G.
good to see a tractor for people who grow fresh food for humans and not just corn
This looks like a much more useful tractor then 8n or an allisG even on their best day
awsome tractor
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wow only 12k? I'd buy one except i need a good front loader and this doesn't have one...
Bucket on the way, available by August, 2017
This sure looks like the old Allis-Chalmers Model G that my brother has.
The only negative I can see is the un-supported steering column ... that will eventually be a problem.
Awesome name for a company..
Oggun.. African Orisha🤙🏽
Looks like a David Brown 2D
Forwarded to Santa for my wish list ,, now all I have to do is be a good boy :)
SEMPER FI Horace
So Cubans realize a 1948 era Allis Chalmers "G" is just what they needed.
Yes to go with the 1958 Chevies they drive…
The joys of Communism!
Looks like a g Allis to me or a very close copy
this is a rip of of the allis chalmers G and no where is it mentiond
I think he said that in the video. He did, for sure, say it in the interview, I apologize if I edited it out, they do pay homage to the Allis G when they're discussing the design process.
oh my bad. now i feel bad lol ok well thank you and i am sorry for my ignorance.
lol Bill
It said that a 4:44.
He said it again at 8:10
Resembles a Allis Chalmers Model G
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You built ours chompers celery special
Seatbelt but no ROPS? That is a stupid dangerous combination. Best is a ROPS with a seatbelt, but if you cannot have a RPOS, then keep your seat belt off and hope you can jump in time. (I don't have faith in your ability to jump, but it is your best chance of living through a roll over)
You are right, this is our demo tractor it had ROPS, but would not fit through some of the doors we needed to go through, so we took them off. Configuration is, no ROPS, seat sensor, ROPS seatbelt sensor. Thanks for pointing that out. Horace Clemmons
Henry Miller thanks for asking the question. A great story, S/F
Horace Clemmons great product and story. S/F OZ