For clarification, this is not a “war song”: It’s author David Kincaid was born in 1957, and the song’s tune is from the folk song Rosin the Beau. The unit it makes reference to is fictional by Kincaid’s own admission, and is probably inspired by the real life Washington Blues Company of the Missouri Volunteer Militia led by Joseph Kelly, though this was only a company (50 or so men), never a full brigade (around 2000). This also coincides with the Irish the song mentions coming down to Missouri, probably the real life 7th Missouri (“the Irish Seventh”) and 30th Missouri (“Shamrock Regiment”) Infantry Regiments. Additionally, the flag seems to be a variation of that shown in the whimsical Gods and Generals of the 24th Georgia Volunteer Regiment, which served from before the Seven Days Battles all the way to the Appomattox. The 24th Georgia was about as Irish as most of modern Boston: Only it’s commander Robert McMillan and his son were Irish; the rest were prominently American. Of the 2 surviving flags from the 24th Georgia, one was a “stars and bars”, without an Irish Harp. The misconception of this being a “Confederate Irish Brigade” stems from straight misinformation from Colonel St. Clair Mulholland of the 116th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, who wrote a history of his unit in the Union Irish Brigade, where the 24th Georgia were incorrectly labeled as Irish. Mulholland was notably not a Confederate, and so couldn’t know that this was false. Nor could Ron Maxwell or Ken Burns, who were filmmakers and not historians when they mindlessly parroted this in their respective films. This is not to diminish the presence of Irish Americans in the Missouri conflicts or the greater Civil War (who fought in a lesser but no less notable extent compared to the Union Irish units), but the exploits of Kelly’s Irish “Brigade” and the 24th Georgia Volunteers (now forever misnamed as “Cobb’s Irish Brigade” by Ron Maxwell) are mostly fictional.
In all fairness Missouri was never part of the confederacy officially, there were also confederate companies from Kentucky but they’re almost never included in maps either
@ Yeah, but, the Missouri confederate government was almost immediately put into exile in Texas as the Union maintained control over the state. The south wanted Missouri to join and had quickly tried accepting it as the 12th state to join, but ultimately only a portion of the state was ever controlled by the confederacy, and most soldiers raised from the state were sent to the Union army at a 3+:1 ratio. Very few people legitimately consider Missouri as part of the confederacy, and part of the issue is that nearly every state was divided on the issue of secession, so you have to draw the line somewhere. This is actually what ended up causing West Virginia to even become a thing, since Virginia was secessionist and West Virginia was not. Even Tennessee barely became a confederate state as it intended to remain in the union until it was clear the feds would use force against the south, so they joined the confederacy as the last state to be officially recognized of the 11. But since the Union held control militarily and diplomatically the border states are almost unanimously considered part of the Union territory. Again, this is just a response to why maps will rarely, if ever, include Missouri or other states such as Kentucky as confederate despite heavy secessionist sympathy from the people in those states, instead opting to only show the 11 commonly recognized states (and the area that would become West Virginia later)
@@tacocat4252 I know my state's history, but we were still a state with a Confederate government administering large swaths of it. Also, the tallie is off most of the Confederate forces in Missouri didn't join the professional military but became bushwhackers (the Union government also had a milia they tried to use to unsuccessfully counter the bushwhackers). Missouri had professional partisan-rangers like Quantrill's raiders so even though it's in the unofficial numbers if we're counting people who took up arms and killed for their cause it was roughly even if not tilt south. If you count the part-time hit-in-run bushwhackers and the milia actually a majority of the Missouri fighting age population fought in the civil war.
the bloodiest battle was when the 2 Irish brigades met, both would not run 😢
No Antinem Only Irish ppl Was The Irish Volunteers Getting Slaughtered by Butternuts In the cornfield
For clarification, this is not a “war song”: It’s author David Kincaid was born in 1957, and the song’s tune is from the folk song Rosin the Beau. The unit it makes reference to is fictional by Kincaid’s own admission, and is probably inspired by the real life Washington Blues Company of the Missouri Volunteer Militia led by Joseph Kelly, though this was only a company (50 or so men), never a full brigade (around 2000). This also coincides with the Irish the song mentions coming down to Missouri, probably the real life 7th Missouri (“the Irish Seventh”) and 30th Missouri (“Shamrock Regiment”) Infantry Regiments.
Additionally, the flag seems to be a variation of that shown in the whimsical Gods and Generals of the 24th Georgia Volunteer Regiment, which served from before the Seven Days Battles all the way to the Appomattox. The 24th Georgia was about as Irish as most of modern Boston: Only it’s commander Robert McMillan and his son were Irish; the rest were prominently American. Of the 2 surviving flags from the 24th Georgia, one was a “stars and bars”, without an Irish Harp. The misconception of this being a “Confederate Irish Brigade” stems from straight misinformation from Colonel St. Clair Mulholland of the 116th Pennsylvania Infantry Regiment, who wrote a history of his unit in the Union Irish Brigade, where the 24th Georgia were incorrectly labeled as Irish. Mulholland was notably not a Confederate, and so couldn’t know that this was false. Nor could Ron Maxwell or Ken Burns, who were filmmakers and not historians when they mindlessly parroted this in their respective films.
This is not to diminish the presence of Irish Americans in the Missouri conflicts or the greater Civil War (who fought in a lesser but no less notable extent compared to the Union Irish units), but the exploits of Kelly’s Irish “Brigade” and the 24th Georgia Volunteers (now forever misnamed as “Cobb’s Irish Brigade” by Ron Maxwell) are mostly fictional.
I remember those days!
Ireland's Independence Twas' Assured 2nd Time's a Charge
How are you gonna play Kelly’s eyes brigade and show a map of the confederacy not including Missouri
In all fairness Missouri was never part of the confederacy officially, there were also confederate companies from Kentucky but they’re almost never included in maps either
@@tacocat4252 what do you mean there was a Missouri confederate government
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Yeah, but, the Missouri confederate government was almost immediately put into exile in Texas as the Union maintained control over the state. The south wanted Missouri to join and had quickly tried accepting it as the 12th state to join, but ultimately only a portion of the state was ever controlled by the confederacy, and most soldiers raised from the state were sent to the Union army at a 3+:1 ratio.
Very few people legitimately consider Missouri as part of the confederacy, and part of the issue is that nearly every state was divided on the issue of secession, so you have to draw the line somewhere. This is actually what ended up causing West Virginia to even become a thing, since Virginia was secessionist and West Virginia was not. Even Tennessee barely became a confederate state as it intended to remain in the union until it was clear the feds would use force against the south, so they joined the confederacy as the last state to be officially recognized of the 11. But since the Union held control militarily and diplomatically the border states are almost unanimously considered part of the Union territory.
Again, this is just a response to why maps will rarely, if ever, include Missouri or other states such as Kentucky as confederate despite heavy secessionist sympathy from the people in those states, instead opting to only show the 11 commonly recognized states (and the area that would become West Virginia later)
@@tacocat4252 I know my state's history, but we were still a state with a Confederate government administering large swaths of it.
Also, the tallie is off most of the Confederate forces in Missouri didn't join the professional military but became bushwhackers (the Union government also had a milia they tried to use to unsuccessfully counter the bushwhackers). Missouri had professional partisan-rangers like Quantrill's raiders so even though it's in the unofficial numbers if we're counting people who took up arms and killed for their cause it was roughly even if not tilt south. If you count the part-time hit-in-run bushwhackers and the milia actually a majority of the Missouri fighting age population fought in the civil war.
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