I like the idea of someone else asking questions during the video. It makes sure nothing is forgotten and renders the presentation more natural. Mohammed is asking really good questions. However, his habit of repeatedly affirming with „yeah“ and „aha“ etc. is quite distracting. But maybe that‘s just me. Love the scale by the way.
@@josharmour I 100% agree. I‘m not for changing the format. It was meant as a constructive criticism so they can improve their presentations even more.
Already in the works! The Decent V1.2 will be half the height of the current one. There is already a after market base created by one of our community members. www.brewingwitheuan.com/shop
The scale should only turn off automatically after two minutes of *the weight being zero*, not two minutes of the weight not changing. This way you don't lose any data to the scale turning off randomly. That's the most infuriating behavior I know of scales. I put in some ingredient, tare, put in the second ingredient, don't have enough of it and need to prep more to get to the amount, or get distracted by something for a couple minutes, and when I come back the scale has turned off. I also like zeroing my scale with a container on it, taking the container off, mixing things, and then putting it back on to see the new weight. Of course you can always work backwards to get the data back somehow, at least if you have a good memory, but it sucks. If there's a non-zero weight on it, it should be more of a 10-30 minute timeout in my opinion.
Agree, I've had this happen in the middle of things. Although I'd say it should turn off if inactive whilst on a 0 or negative value for x mins. If you left it without using it for a period after taring it, it would be 0. Otherwise, if it was tared and use to weigh something which has now been removed and nothing else has been weighed on it, then it would be a negative value.
@@sAmiZZle82 the negative is useful because you can put a container onto the scale, tare it, then do stuff and put the container back on the scale to measure what's now in the container. If the scale shuts off in the middle of this, you need to either empty it out again, have the weight of the container written down, or have a second container of the same weight.
@@sAmiZZle82 they mentioned multiple times how this is supposed to be a open scale for any application you can think of. But for coffee, you can check the weight you get out of your Aeropress this way. Put the cup on the scale, tare, make your Aeropress, then put the now filled cup back on the scale.
I would definitely keep it paired at all times to avoid the annoying blue light of doom. Great job overall, we have A LOT of issues with our Acaia lunar scales.
I love how Decent creates everything with better precision and user experience in mind... I am very excited at the scale too, but......I am a little skeptical about positioning the LEDs on the side. I just don't think I will always stand far enough to see the reading clearly at that angle. This might be worse if you are a tall person...
Yes, I know this is an unusual, and risky design decision. However... when I back or cook with a scale, I often find the display on normal scales (top display) gets hidden. I wanted to solve that problem. Also, many people will use this scale with a bluetooth app, and the weight will get echoed there.
@@decentespresso Ah see….I can see the upside for this design. Hopefully we get to see and try out the scale soon in Australia! Don’t think I can find any retailer here so far just yet. Great effort as usual, really appreciated it!
We don't generally work with resellers, and prefer to sell direct. They take a 40% margin, which means we'd have to charge that much more to cover that middleman-step.
Nice, but may be too thick... Could you please consider another video where you use under a regular e61 or similar? I mean, it’s clear that it fits under Decent, but for the rest of us, coffee maniacs?
It's 36mm, if you want to check on your machine, if it'd fit. The DE1 drip tray to group head space, is very similar to other machines, as we polled Home Barista to find out what we should do.
A beauty ux and tech design wise, price is right too, but lack of firmware updates kills it for me. I understand and support philosophy of doing as much as possible within the apps, but I just can't believe you got it right the first time :)
We definitely didn't get the firmware in v1.0 perfect, but hopefully v1.1, coming in a few weeks, will be closer to perfection :-O -- I wish we could have offered over-the-internet firmware updates, but it's not something we can do right now, at this low price. The company we're working with to build them, isn't willing. Maybe someday...
Nice one - looks a bit high though for my setup (Domobar Junior 2b) But it's fascinating to see that the first clones are already appearing (branded as Steinberg Systems)
@@decentespresso So it is a product in the best tradition of cheap knockoffs... :D What do you mean by non-functional? Not at all functional or is it just another crappy scale?
Did you consider putting the screen on the top or both the top and side? I use a lunar but ultimately the best feature is the Bluetooth connection directly to the decent espresso machine so I can view the weight on the tablet. This scale does the same thing!
No, because a common problem I've had with scales is that the object I'm weighing often obscures the display. This is especially a problem with cooking & baking. A vertical display will never be obscured by what you're weighing. This is different, on purpose. If you prefer a display-on-top, there are literally thousands (probably, every other scale on the planet) that do that.
I googled and found: "TH-cam generates automatic captions for videos in some languages. This can take some time. " there's nothing I can do right now...
haha, I'll have to look in the closet and find the label. Just bought it recently, it was in the "bicycling" section of a department store, if that helps any. I liked it a it a lot too, and bought the same shirt in both colors.
Interesting tech but fail to understand why it has to be so thick. Also display and touch angle, as many other already mentioned seems quite impractical. Not sure why that design decision was made, unless for esthetical reasons.
Now if you can reverse the display so to see it in the mirror finish - for cooking it might be interesting to bakers if it had % mode ( baker's percentage )
I really, really wanted to keep features OFF the scale, and instead have them on the app. Otherwise the scale itself gets clogged with special-use UI. We've already reached out to a dozen app writers in the recipe/baking world, and I hope that many will eventually support the decent scale.
@@decentespresso I fully agree ( not that my opinion is important ), but Im getting one for my DE1 , and selling my Lunar ! However as a point of interest , Decent prefers to not run the DE1 directly on OS or IOS but prefers via a browser so it can remain self sufficient and not be app-store dependent ? As for the scale it might have to !
Looks nice but too thick for me. Is there some design limitation that doesn’t allow most companies to build a scale with similar heights to the Acaia Lunar? I can’t seem to find any high quality ones under 2cm height. For a lot of us home baristas finding a scale that’s not $250+ and can easily fit a flat white cup while weighing the shot it’s impossible. Only thing that comes close is the Felicita and that’s also a couple hundred. I’ll instantly buy if you guys make a scale around 1.5cm in height
Hey chaps, the 2019 video linked to at the end of this video mentions that the scale can USB charge rechargeable batteries... but this video says not... so I guess it cannot USB charge rechargeables? Otherwise very nice!
One thing I don't understand, can someone please tell me why would you need a precise scale if the machine itself calculates the number of grams extracted?
Because we measure flow by watching the pump, and this is not as accurate as measuring weight in a cup. It really depends on how precise you want things.
These scales are optimised to be used with the decent. "It's wide so you can do two cups at once", no, it's wide so that it supports the drip tray. The display being on the side is another tell tell sign. If you make another scale optimised for normal use, display on top, normal scale size and shape, then I would happily buy one but as it stands, it lives up to its name of the decent scale.
You're absolutely right that an important part of this design was that it would work well under a drip tray. A vertical LED will help there, and the width, yes, will support a drip tray too.
One major design flaw. Everyone will have to hunch their back or step back just to see the measurement. That is SUPER annoying and the first thing I noticed.
I’m curious how the display being on the front vs top will pay out for espresso but also general purpose if that’s what you envision for the scale. Having to crane my neck to see the display won’t be fun, but I’ll have to see how it is.
IMO. I have one small acaia, and when I put things on top it block the display.... Making it useless unless I use the phone and the app to know exactly the number.
A common problem I've had with other scales is that the object I'm weighing often obscures the display on top. This is especially a problem with cooking & baking, where the vessels are often large expand outwards (such as a bowl). A vertical display will never be obscured by what you're weighing. This is different, on purpose. If you prefer a display-on-top, there are literally thousands (probably, every other scale on the planet) that do that.
If I download all these apps can I get the scale for free? 😂 I bought 2 pitchers and the thermometer and the quality is excellent. I'm gonna have to buy this scale but I remember the shipping to France was like 2 to 3 months, I even forgot I ordered so it was a surprise when it arrived 😂
@@decentespresso No it was before Covid, maybe there was a shortage of the new pitchers or thermometer. If I'm not wrong you had to ship thermometers parts from Europe to manufacture them and there was a delay, but I might dreamt of that 😂
100% sure I will not add a shot timer. I have had a Brewista scale for years with one, and it is incredibly frustrating to use. It never works right. That experience is behind my "keep the scale simple, put complicated things in an app" strategy. Shot timers will definitely appear in apps that work the the decent scale, but never in the scale itself.
@@decentespresso yeah the brewista 2 smart scale auto shot timer was awful. Constantly stopping itself if it detected the slightest pause in espresso extraction.
@@4KTV87 I've got a lot of respect for that company, so my feeling is: if they couldn't do it right, probably it's a hard problem. So... let's do it in software, where it can be easily upgraded/improved.
@@MattM-24 Do you have a link for that adapter or one similar I don’t understand what a 3-D print adapter is. My problem is I want it to fit under my espresso cup under my spout and I want your scale but it looks too fat to fit under my spout with my 3 1/2 inch cup that I use for commercial Espressos
@@GaryHuntPianoman For the DE1 espresso machine, there are adaptors. For other espresso machines, don't know. However, the ONA STEM might work for yourhinocoffeegear.com/the-stem-ona-coffee.html
Very disappointed of this scale paired with the DE1. When using batteries and paired, it doesn’t turn off and wash the batteries power in one night. When connected to usb power, doesn’t turn off forever. What’s the lifetime of this product? Won’t last long when powered 24/24!!! Also, needs a dedicated power outlet for a missing sub adaptor. Why haven’t you provided an additional usb plug on the DE1 to connect the scale in it, turn off this outlet when sleeping to extend the scale life? You should have spent one more year in research and developement to get rid of power cord when using the scale, or provide rechargeable capabilities, as competitors provide. This scale is not innovative at all. It’s a Hitech 1980’s product, not in 2021. Sorry to break your excitement.
Very sorry you were disappointed with the scale. As with all manufacturing we will have issues to overcome but we are working to improve the scale moving forward. As we have identified the power problem in our own internal testing and looking to improve this further. Yes a 2nd USB would have been ideal.
> When connected to usb power, doesn’t turn off forever That's a feature in my book! I don't think the electronics involved have any meaningful wear from being powered on.
I'm sold by “It tares. It weighs. It times”. That is all I need for an expresso scale + sleek look!
I like the idea of someone else asking questions during the video. It makes sure nothing is forgotten and renders the presentation more natural. Mohammed is asking really good questions. However, his habit of repeatedly affirming with „yeah“ and „aha“ etc. is quite distracting. But maybe that‘s just me. Love the scale by the way.
It's hard to do this naturally and I think Mohammed does a great job at it. Its genuine instead of overproduced.
@@josharmour I 100% agree. I‘m not for changing the format. It was meant as a constructive criticism so they can improve their presentations even more.
I agree. It breaks up the flow and dialogue too much. Towards the beginning I was already annoyed and needed him to be quiet.
I remember James Hoffman say he doesn’t take any caffeine before a presentation
One major video flaw also. The constant interruption. Breaks up the dialogue and flow. congrats on the product tho
This is great, now do it again but smaller like the lunar / black mirror nano, usb c, and recessed into the base like the lunar + after market base.
Already in the works! The Decent V1.2 will be half the height of the current one. There is already a after market base created by one of our community members. www.brewingwitheuan.com/shop
What can I say? Another great product at an incredible price. Huge fan of the entire line up of products.
The scale should only turn off automatically after two minutes of *the weight being zero*, not two minutes of the weight not changing. This way you don't lose any data to the scale turning off randomly.
That's the most infuriating behavior I know of scales. I put in some ingredient, tare, put in the second ingredient, don't have enough of it and need to prep more to get to the amount, or get distracted by something for a couple minutes, and when I come back the scale has turned off.
I also like zeroing my scale with a container on it, taking the container off, mixing things, and then putting it back on to see the new weight.
Of course you can always work backwards to get the data back somehow, at least if you have a good memory, but it sucks.
If there's a non-zero weight on it, it should be more of a 10-30 minute timeout in my opinion.
Agree, I've had this happen in the middle of things. Although I'd say it should turn off if inactive whilst on a 0 or negative value for x mins. If you left it without using it for a period after taring it, it would be 0. Otherwise, if it was tared and use to weigh something which has now been removed and nothing else has been weighed on it, then it would be a negative value.
@@sAmiZZle82 the negative is useful because you can put a container onto the scale, tare it, then do stuff and put the container back on the scale to measure what's now in the container.
If the scale shuts off in the middle of this, you need to either empty it out again, have the weight of the container written down, or have a second container of the same weight.
@@tommihommi1 mmmm again prob not relevant to coffee use-case but point taken
@@sAmiZZle82 they mentioned multiple times how this is supposed to be a open scale for any application you can think of.
But for coffee, you can check the weight you get out of your Aeropress this way. Put the cup on the scale, tare, make your Aeropress, then put the now filled cup back on the scale.
I would definitely keep it paired at all times to avoid the annoying blue light of doom. Great job overall, we have A LOT of issues with our Acaia lunar scales.
I love how Decent creates everything with better precision and user experience in mind...
I am very excited at the scale too, but......I am a little skeptical about positioning the LEDs on the side. I just don't think I will always stand far enough to see the reading clearly at that angle. This might be worse if you are a tall person...
Yes, I know this is an unusual, and risky design decision. However... when I back or cook with a scale, I often find the display on normal scales (top display) gets hidden. I wanted to solve that problem.
Also, many people will use this scale with a bluetooth app, and the weight will get echoed there.
@@decentespresso
Ah see….I can see the upside for this design. Hopefully we get to see and try out the scale soon in Australia! Don’t think I can find any retailer here so far just yet.
Great effort as usual, really appreciated it!
We don't generally work with resellers, and prefer to sell direct. They take a 40% margin, which means we'd have to charge that much more to cover that middleman-step.
@@entertainment6630 FYI we only sell direct, never through resellers. Happy to ship to AU, of course.
Interesting. I am barista and I am looking simple and waterproof scale with USB cable charging. Yes, it is thicker.
Nice, but may be too thick...
Could you please consider another video where you use under a regular e61 or similar? I mean, it’s clear that it fits under Decent, but for the rest of us, coffee maniacs?
It's 36mm, if you want to check on your machine, if it'd fit.
The DE1 drip tray to group head space, is very similar to other machines, as we polled Home Barista to find out what we should do.
A beauty ux and tech design wise, price is right too, but lack of firmware updates kills it for me. I understand and support philosophy of doing as much as possible within the apps, but I just can't believe you got it right the first time :)
We definitely didn't get the firmware in v1.0 perfect, but hopefully v1.1, coming in a few weeks, will be closer to perfection :-O -- I wish we could have offered over-the-internet firmware updates, but it's not something we can do right now, at this low price. The company we're working with to build them, isn't willing. Maybe someday...
Great video!
What if you don't want to see the bluetooth light blink?
Sorry, it's always there. Maybe in a future firmware revision we'll make a bluetooth-less version.
I'm guessing you gotta pair it with something then it will turn off (or stay stable / on?).
@@BensCoffeeRants Correct. Light goes OFF when paired.
Nice one - looks a bit high though for my setup (Domobar Junior 2b)
But it's fascinating to see that the first clones are already appearing (branded as Steinberg Systems)
thei Steinberg scale is a pirated version of an early alpha version of my scale. It is non functional and doesn't actually work.
@@decentespresso So it is a product in the best tradition of cheap knockoffs... :D
What do you mean by non-functional? Not at all functional or is it just another crappy scale?
@@HerrHerbertHase that other scale has beta firmware of mine that is so buggy that it’s useless
Would love to try a smaller form factor, this would definitely not fit a flair 58
We have the V2 version of the scale coming soon. It features a reduced height to help with this issue and also includes a internal battery.
cracked my ass off on font size comment, lol
Is there a way for me to disable the blinking light without leaving it paired? I hate blinking LEDs in the kitchen.
as of scale v1.1, turn it on the the square button, which disabled bluetooth.
@@decentespressotech so youre saying turn it on and then press the square button?
Yes that is correct 👍
Did you consider putting the screen on the top or both the top and side? I use a lunar but ultimately the best feature is the Bluetooth connection directly to the decent espresso machine so I can view the weight on the tablet. This scale does the same thing!
No, because a common problem I've had with scales is that the object I'm weighing often obscures the display. This is especially a problem with cooking & baking. A vertical display will never be obscured by what you're weighing. This is different, on purpose. If you prefer a display-on-top, there are literally thousands (probably, every other scale on the planet) that do that.
Please enable automatic subtitle
I googled and found: "TH-cam generates automatic captions for videos in some languages. This can take some time. "
there's nothing I can do right now...
@@decentespresso thanks
I just checked and the subtitles are there now
Silly question but where is your top from? It looks really nice!
Yes please, I was wondering the same thing!
haha, I'll have to look in the closet and find the label. Just bought it recently, it was in the "bicycling" section of a department store, if that helps any. I liked it a it a lot too, and bought the same shirt in both colors.
Interesting tech but fail to understand why it has to be so thick. Also display and touch angle, as many other already mentioned seems quite impractical. Not sure why that design decision was made, unless for esthetical reasons.
The next version is half the height of the one you see here.
Now if you can reverse the display so to see it in the mirror finish - for cooking it might be interesting to bakers if it had % mode ( baker's percentage )
I really, really wanted to keep features OFF the scale, and instead have them on the app. Otherwise the scale itself gets clogged with special-use UI. We've already reached out to a dozen app writers in the recipe/baking world, and I hope that many will eventually support the decent scale.
@@decentespresso I see ,, actually quite interesting approach to product marketing , in that case the display itself might also prove redundant .
@@gioiosa54 Yes and in fact, I would like to someday to make a super-thin no-display scale, just for apps.
@@decentespresso I fully agree ( not that my opinion is important ), but Im getting one for my DE1 , and selling my Lunar ! However as a point of interest , Decent prefers to not run the DE1 directly on OS or IOS but prefers via a browser so it can remain self sufficient and not be app-store dependent ? As for the scale it might have to !
Looks nice but too thick for me. Is there some design limitation that doesn’t allow most companies to build a scale with similar heights to the Acaia Lunar? I can’t seem to find any high quality ones under 2cm height. For a lot of us home baristas finding a scale that’s not $250+ and can easily fit a flat white cup while weighing the shot it’s impossible. Only thing that comes close is the Felicita and that’s also a couple hundred. I’ll instantly buy if you guys make a scale around 1.5cm in height
We are currently developing the next version which will be half the size of the current one.
@@decentespresso Hi! How is it going with the thinner version development?
Hey chaps, the 2019 video linked to at the end of this video mentions that the scale can USB charge rechargeable batteries... but this video says not... so I guess it cannot USB charge rechargeables? Otherwise very nice!
Apologies. Yes you cannot charge your rechargeable batteries via the USB.
One thing I don't understand, can someone please tell me why would you need a precise scale if the machine itself calculates the number of grams extracted?
Because we measure flow by watching the pump, and this is not as accurate as measuring weight in a cup. It really depends on how precise you want things.
These scales are optimised to be used with the decent. "It's wide so you can do two cups at once", no, it's wide so that it supports the drip tray. The display being on the side is another tell tell sign.
If you make another scale optimised for normal use, display on top, normal scale size and shape, then I would happily buy one but as it stands, it lives up to its name of the decent scale.
You're absolutely right that an important part of this design was that it would work well under a drip tray. A vertical LED will help there, and the width, yes, will support a drip tray too.
One major design flaw. Everyone will have to hunch their back or step back just to see the measurement. That is SUPER annoying and the first thing I noticed.
I’m curious how the display being on the front vs top will pay out for espresso but also general purpose if that’s what you envision for the scale. Having to crane my neck to see the display won’t be fun, but I’ll have to see how it is.
IMO. I have one small acaia, and when I put things on top it block the display.... Making it useless unless I use the phone and the app to know exactly the number.
THe scale display gets echoed onto the tablet display, so it’s not an issue
A common problem I've had with other scales is that the object I'm weighing often obscures the display on top. This is especially a problem with cooking & baking, where the vessels are often large expand outwards (such as a bowl). A vertical display will never be obscured by what you're weighing. This is different, on purpose. If you prefer a display-on-top, there are literally thousands (probably, every other scale on the planet) that do that.
Any possibility of different color versions (brushed stainless steel, white, etc)?
not likely, as the top has to be semi-translucent plastic in this design.
Anyone has owned a decent scale for a year? How does it do?
We have the next improved V1.2 version being released soon.
decentespresso.com/c?filter=scale%20v1.2
Does it connect/interface with the tablet on the Descent espresso machine?
it does
Will it auto tare and auto stop at weight with the decent espresso machine similar to how the acaia and skales do?
Yes, identically. Video coming shortly that shows DE1 usage with the decent scale.
Looks really beautiful, but kinda tall....
If I download all these apps can I get the scale for free? 😂
I bought 2 pitchers and the thermometer and the quality is excellent. I'm gonna have to buy this scale but I remember the shipping to France was like 2 to 3 months, I even forgot I ordered so it was a surprise when it arrived 😂
I think it's more like if you write the app you get the scale free :D
Shipping to France should be under 10 days. Not sure what happened previously -- perhaps COVID weirdness ?
@@decentespresso No it was before Covid, maybe there was a shortage of the new pitchers or thermometer. If I'm not wrong you had to ship thermometers parts from Europe to manufacture them and there was a delay, but I might dreamt of that 😂
@@BensCoffeeRants I tried XD
@@REMY.C. Very possibly. "supply chain" is a boring phrase, but so difficult and important.
Do you think you’ll be able to add in an auto shot timer in future firmware enhancement?
100% sure I will not add a shot timer. I have had a Brewista scale for years with one, and it is incredibly frustrating to use. It never works right.
That experience is behind my "keep the scale simple, put complicated things in an app" strategy.
Shot timers will definitely appear in apps that work the the decent scale, but never in the scale itself.
@@decentespresso yeah the brewista 2 smart scale auto shot timer was awful. Constantly stopping itself if it detected the slightest pause in espresso extraction.
@@4KTV87 I've got a lot of respect for that company, so my feeling is: if they couldn't do it right, probably it's a hard problem. So... let's do it in software, where it can be easily upgraded/improved.
can it connect to seprofiler?
Yes. SEP supports decent scale.
❤️
You guys rock, I am going to sell my Londinium and buy a Decent.
Pearl S killer? :D
Just bought one...not happy
please contact us decentespresso.com/contact/ and whatever the issue is, we'll sort it out for you.
Will it be possible to put the decent scale under the drip tray?
Yes, there's at least one adaptor for 3D printing available now, and more coming soon.
@@decentespresso the question is Will it be possible to put the decent scale under the drip tray ? what you mean... adaptor for.3
d printing
@@GaryHuntPianoman You can put it under the drip tray and use an adaptor to secure the drip tray to the scale. That adaptor would be 3D printed
@@MattM-24 Do you have a link for that adapter or one similar I don’t understand what a 3-D print adapter is. My problem is I want it to fit under my espresso cup under my spout and I want your scale but it looks too fat to fit under my spout with my 3 1/2 inch cup that I use for commercial Espressos
@@GaryHuntPianoman For the DE1 espresso machine, there are adaptors. For other espresso machines, don't know. However, the ONA STEM might work for yourhinocoffeegear.com/the-stem-ona-coffee.html
Very disappointed of this scale paired with the DE1. When using batteries and paired, it doesn’t turn off and wash the batteries power in one night. When connected to usb power, doesn’t turn off forever. What’s the lifetime of this product? Won’t last long when powered 24/24!!! Also, needs a dedicated power outlet for a missing sub adaptor. Why haven’t you provided an additional usb plug on the DE1 to connect the scale in it, turn off this outlet when sleeping to extend the scale life?
You should have spent one more year in research and developement to get rid of power cord when using the scale, or provide rechargeable capabilities, as competitors provide. This scale is not innovative at all. It’s a Hitech 1980’s product, not in 2021.
Sorry to break your excitement.
Very sorry you were disappointed with the scale. As with all manufacturing we will have issues to overcome but we are working to improve the scale moving forward. As we have identified the power problem in our own internal testing and looking to improve this further. Yes a 2nd USB would have been ideal.
> When connected to usb power, doesn’t turn off forever
That's a feature in my book! I don't think the electronics involved have any meaningful wear from being powered on.