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stop the fan noise crying bs ...how do youll live day to day a horn honk must deffin you for days...all your doing is seeming weaker then literal infants....yall are the nights that say ne ....its so sad ...do yall go to the beach with ear protection on because we all know wind noise is the most dangerous thing ....or at the vary least STOP LOWERING FAN SPEEDS IN TESTS BECAUSE ITS TO LOAD and then saying thermals are bad ....take away 2 cylinders from your car and expect it to not be worse ....you literally destroy your testing and any credibility all because your ears cant take a low humm
@Gamersnexus How come the arctic liquid freezer 2 420 is in the statistics twice, with different temperature values? thermals 200w 100% fan speed. offset bracket position?
It uses Chronoshift technology to transport the CPU's heat load back in time to before the CPU became hot. I would also recommend the Iron Curtain based heat shield AIO.
If you haven't yet, look up "DORF Real-Time Strategic Conflict" It's a new indie strategy game which is a spiritual successor to the original C&C/Red Alert games, with a similar art style and unit designs.
So one of the things to consider when reviewing these AIOs is using a standardized set of fans so you know how well the water cooling aspect of the solution works vs the whole package. If you could get ground breaking performance from an AIO just by replacing the fans with a high airflow/static pressure solution that would be really helpful to know.
Good point. Ive used Push/Pull setups with high end fans on lower end 240s/360s. The difference was crazy of course. $75 cooler with some Phanteks T30s will cool a 13900k lol. Wont be quiet, but still lol.
You can kind of tell this already by comparing the full speed graph vs the noise normalized one. Generally the limiting factor for AIO's (and all heatsinks really) is the thermal density of what they are cooling and the thermal conductivity between the cpu die and their fins. Another catch for a heatsink is heatpipe orientation as the CCD's will utilize fewer heatpipes if the heatsink is installed in one direction vs another.
While this is absolutely worth considering, it should also be noted that buying different fans will cost more money. That can easily push an otherwise price competitive product into being more expensive than other products that already come with premium fans that gain nothing from different fans. And once you go down that route, you'll also have to do it for air coolers, where most can take standard fans as well.
Also IMO to try to minimize the extra work that could even replace the uncapped fan tests becase as its been said many times fans just brute force with speed and how realisticly is it that anyone would put up with that nosie level so really is it all that relevant...
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex It is annoying but kind of makes sense. There really should be no reason to use a fill port under the warranty period. If something goes wrong, send it back.
It's useless to the end-user without a second opening to bleed air through. Manufacturers don't need one because they evacuate all the air from the loop before they pump liquid in - it's much quicker that way, and you can detect leaks while the unit is dry.
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex In the US such "warranty void" stickers are actually illegal due to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act. The act protects people doing reasonable basic maintenance or repair of items but might require a trip to small claims court to enforce. But on smaller items may not be worth the time, but if its worth your time you can get the company ordered to refund you if they refuse to honor the warranty. For smaller items like this companies will risk it, as even up to a few hundred dollars like game consoles and computers as the stickers will cover the cost of the few who take it to small claims court, but you WONT see this on say the oil cap for a new car. That people will take to court in a heartbeat.
Could not be happier you are growing as the most reliable and unbiased source for reviews . Show everyone how it's done Steve . Businesses should take note of your channel. So happy for your success .
One Idea for AIO testing: Could you use the same fans for all AIOs? This would bring out more the noise differences of the pumps and flow efficiencys. Sure the included fans are mendatory but could be tested seperately.
Thank you. Trying super thanks for the first time! 2 questions: 1. What was the reason for uneven mounting pressure? You mentioned it would be discussed in the mounting section, but I don’t *think* it was? 2. @15:00 the chart shows identically labeled Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 in two places. What is the difference?
It would be interesting to see how this weird push-pull pump setup works with better fans, as it sounds like it's competitive with crap fans. I like that it has a fill port, that's something more AIO's could do with.
Yeah, to everything you said, the current test setup seems to test out of the box and not so much testing the AIO, some good things like the flatness and pressure map of the cold plate, but then uses the stock fans which is more a test of the stock fans ability and really should be in a fan test video, testing all the AIO's with the same fans would seem like it would give a more consistent test between AIO's, the issue being 120 and 140 Rads, with regards to pressure and volume of air and perceived auditory volume.
@@MrTrilbe I totally agree with ya, it seems to be solid other than the fans. I wonder how it would hold up over time. Also, I would be very interested to see the performance with one of the pumps disabled- Having dual pumps sounds great for redundancy on paper, but I have no clue how that would work in practice. I can kinda understand why they didn't swap fans. I guess because an AIO is supposed to be "All in one"/ plug and play, but I wouldn't mind throwing some upgrade fans on one of it's at the top of the pack- for me, swapping some fans on an AIO still beats the headache of open loop even if the price is close with less performance.
When every AIO manufacturer was using Asetek's pump design, it wouldn't have made sense to do that kind of test. Now that there is some varied competition on the market I agree, I would like to see "standardized fan tests" for these coolers to see who has the better pump/coldplate design.
@@AlanTwoRings But the full product is sold with Fans. So The full product should be tested as it is. When a car is being tested it is tested as it was sold. A test with wider tires, a new suspension and maybe a tuned engine wouldnt help. It can be tested but thats more something special.
i love seeing more companies create something we have not seen before or exactly like this. I love the innovation with the dual pumps ! very interesting to see how this stands up over time. I did however notice some particles on the copper fin stack that worry me slightly. I would think they didnt flush the rad quite well enough.
20:20 It appears that the same pressure test image was used for pass 2 on both the 3800X and 3950X. Great review, I really enjoy the reviews of oddball components.
I saw the thumbnail, instantly thought "Chronosphere", and then heard you say it inside the first 30 seconds of the video. Thank you Steve, you absolutely made my day.
Just installed this cooler on my AM5 platform yesterday. Wasn't my choice, got it for free from a friend, that said, very nice performance on my end. Gave me the same thermals I got from better-known brands with a much greater price tag attached. I don't know if it's going to stand the test of time, but so far so good. And just a quick note, my fans are as quiet as previously installed coolers by Corsair, maybe I just got a better set, because they are pretty silent while giving very good cooling.
Your content is NEVER not useful, even for products no one wants or needs. You help keep the manufacturers millions of consumers rely upon to be honest and good value. Thanks Steve, and thanks to all the of the GN team, friends and family. ♥️
@GamersNexus Spotted a potential duplication at 14:57 for the "[3x 140] [45.1 dBA] Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 ~1648RPM" data - I see it twice on there, with temps of 46.5 and 48.2. Separately, been soldering a ton on your recent soldering mat, and loving it. Thanks for being awesome
I can't wait for the fan testing results to start. I'm very curious about how different fans affect a cooler performance. Testing this AIO with standardized fans vs other AIO could show how much a push pull pump truly affects the performance.
It could until they broke it all. Otherwise it would be a good test case for other better fans. Even higher end coolers can have their fans swapped for quieter or better flow versions.
I really love the breakdown and review of these obscure, bizarre or otherwise abnormal cooling solutions. And GN is of course the best at breaking down all the accurate information in a way that’s at least mostly digestible for the laymen. Entertaining and informative, can’t ask for more than that!👍
I can definitely vouch for the benefits of the stiffer tubing. I have an old Cooler Master Nepton 280L that I bought back in 2013 or so (before Asetek sued everyone and it was pulled from the market) that has been in use 24/7 since it was purchased, with no notable degradation to cooling capacity. Despite it being off the market for half a decade when socket AM4 came out, an adapter kit was made available and the cooler has remained useful without ever needing to be refilled or serviced in any other way. Used it on everything from the FX-8350 I bought it for to a 1700x to a 3900x to a 5600x. Getting a decade of use out of unmaintained mechanical components is crazy imo.
Damn, Nepton 280L! I had one of those monsters before, cooled my FX-9370 pretty well! Sounds like a jet engine tho, befitting the JetFlo 140mm fans. Sadly the fans broke when they got choked with sand when I moved to a desert country, so changed them to IP67 Noctua iPPC fans. Still damn good, but I sold them off later on and decided to just stick with air cooling ever since I went Ryzen. Still great cooler tho.
Like the new format, very nice. Have you ever considered testing custom loop components? It occurred to me that data like yours re flatness and mounting pressure etc would be excellent for selecting the best individual components.
A great review which probably will help a lot of potential buyers. The screen probably is one of the cool features, because most AIO with a screen cost twice as much as this one. The fan connectors too. I think for this kind of price the product is a really cool alternative. I would probably buy one like that.
Thanks Steve, you and the GN team have taught me so much over the last two years and thanks to your guys help I built a budget gaming rig out of a circa 2017 Workstation pc. i7 6700 (turboed to 3.8 MHz) paired with a 600w EVGA psu and an RTX 1080 fe with 16 gb ram for less than $400 has given me phenomenal performance on every I tried. American Truck Sim can run basically full tilt with around 70 fps avg, Metal helsinger and sonic frontiers also run maxed out settings. Havnt bought anything else that's a heavy hitting title yet but I run all this with the air cooler it came with
First thing I do is replace any fan with a noctua fan. I know this isn't typical when testing a product as a whole but for people who do the same as me, which these days isn't an outlier, I'd like to see results with identical fans instead of just trying to tweak the fans that come with it to be a certain decibel value. Also , there's a world of difference between decibels created at higher frequencies compared to decibels created at lower. Cheers.
You guys are great! I’m a new subscriber and first time PC builder (started yesterday @ microcenter w/ AMD 7700x bundled w/ MSI b650p pro, 2x16 6000+ ram for $400!) Your product tests have already helped with a few of my decisions, like planning on the Peerless Assassin dual-tower cooler. I look forward to bingeing your back catalog!
20:20, hey it looks like you folks accidentally reused one of the "Pass 2" scan results, as they are identical down to the pixel. As usual though, you guys are super thorough with your methodology and its super appreciated, keep up the good work.
This cooler would be great in a Star Wars themed build as the cpu pump looks like Plant Hoth shield generator or escape pods for the droids 😅😂🤣. Add this to the Titan XP Star Wars gpus and Tech Yes City’s Darth Ja Ja build …. 😘😘
I use Alseye's W12 fans for my rig with an overclocked 3070 and i7-13700k in a Hyte Y60 and I love them so much. Not too loud, look amazing, and perform well enough in my setup I've never had to worry about thermals. So far Alseye has a good rep for me
I was not expecting a reference to Red Alert Chrono Tanks today. -Well done, Steve.- Thanks, Steve. I just hope Comrade Stalin doesn't buy one of these AIOs, it'll probably explode in his computer. I'm sure some tea will make him feel better though.
Strange products, but honestly not terrible. Pleasantly surprised by this one, especially the manufacturing. With a puzzle box as complicated as that, I'm amazed it didn't release a bunch of cenobites into the room.
Origami PCBs, pretty common in LED bulbs and other similar devices where they intersect boards to reach multiple spots of the item to not use wires. I like it.
I do enjoy seeing this amount of effort for a mounting system it has room for improvment maybe improving manufacturing tolerances and QA to solve their mounting pressure issue
Neat concept. Hopefully they'll look at these insights and refine the fan design a little. maybe simplify the dual pump (lowering costs) a little. Sounds like with those two changes it would be a very recommendable product.
*Alseye is just AWESOME !!! I have 7 builds with them, 2 with Air, and 5 with Water coolers ( AIO) , and they ALL, work just PERFECTLY !!!* Just awesome quality, for the money !!!
Here's a recommendation. When you come across a fan setup like this that you can't get to a noise normalised level in the usual way, test it with the lowest SPL you can obtain without errors or trickery to get it to work. The result should be highlighted as such but that would be more meaningful to me as a "what is the average user going to get" scenario. That aside, I really love the look of the pump. I didn't get your meme references to it, but to me it looks like an industrial turbine housing. I'd be very tempted to get it for that and just use the stock front mounted fans of my Be Quiet! 500fx case instead.
That was quite the disassembly video! I've rebuilt hundreds of pumps, various designs all kinds of applications, this one is in need of a K.I.S.S. lesson. Using a dual pump in series for such a low pressure system is such a gimmick, way too complicated in this case!
I'd love to see something like this designed for redundancy. Pumps are the most common AIO failure. If it comes with 2 but can operate with 1, that's a meaningful advantage
I love these videos! Really cool fan and honestly not a bad product overall despite the shortcomings. Hopefully the company does improve the product as it's actually something I'd consider buying just for the novelty and the fact that it does do the job decently enough for what I'd need it for.
This is an interesting product, especially an AliExpress product. As someone who usually replaces the AIO fans to match what ever build I'm doing. I'm quite shocked though that neither you or the company who has created this AIO has thought about redundancy with the pump design. This could be a massive selling point. If 1 pump fails does the other keep working? It could throw an error on the PC informing the user that a pump has failed and they could continue using the computer until it is replaced. Which is a lot better than the current (pump fails, cpu heats up the block, it reaches max temp and then shuts down) leaving the user without a computer until another can be bought and arrive.
I think the general commentary about stator / rotor designs on fans is that you want to keep both at different numbers and odd/even configurations to try to mitigate some of the noise. While I get that they tried to increase the static pressure here, a stator on fans also increases the wake turbulence and noise. The designers did angle both differently, but the configuration guidelines still stand.
Could you hack a gpu block into this? Seems like the two pumps should have enough pressure.... throw some stronger fans on the radiator, and you've got an extremely efficient full setup!
It looks very well engineered, they really put a lot of love in that product. I like the pumps. The next generation is quite likely going to beat Arctic if they iterate on what they have.
These are all clumped together within 1C or 2C because they're reaching physical boundaries of how much heat they can move off the CPU with that volume of liquid. Apart from lowering the noise level, they're not going to get much better performance out of a 240mm or 360mm AIO.
@@markh4750 Stronger pump pressure allows more efficient heat exchange, faster flowrate allows more heat exchange. I don't know the physical limits of those small systems but they are certainly not reached.
On the fan design & resulting noise, the number of struts relative to the number of blades is in fact relevant. You want those two number to be *coprime* - that is, not divisible by each other and sharing no prime factors in common. That's because, as each blade passes each struct, it produces a pulse of turbulence noise, and if those pulses all happen at the same time, it makes a louder overall noise than if they happen at different times. (For an example of these noise pulses, listen to sonar recordings of a big ship's propeller, where typically a three-blade propeller interacts with the single "strut" of the ship's keel and rudder, thus making a sound like a steam locomotive working hard.)
11:10 Did they solder the mid board onto the side boards after the stators were in place? That makes this very difficult to repair. It's like they built it in CAD and then tried to figure out how it would actually go together.
I am so surprised you didn't mention the obvious benefit of redundancy on the pumps. One of the main failure modes and reliability downfalls on aio coolers is the pump
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I think there's an error within the chart at 15:20; the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 is listed twice with different temperature results.
Man those whisker plots are hard to understand. Or I'm just not smart enough to figure them out. Both equally possible 😂
stop the fan noise crying bs ...how do youll live day to day a horn honk must deffin you for days...all your doing is seeming weaker then literal infants....yall are the nights that say ne ....its so sad ...do yall go to the beach with ear protection on because we all know wind noise is the most dangerous thing ....or at the vary least STOP LOWERING FAN SPEEDS IN TESTS BECAUSE ITS TO LOAD and then saying thermals are bad ....take away 2 cylinders from your car and expect it to not be worse ....you literally destroy your testing and any credibility all because your ears cant take a low humm
@Gamersnexus How come the arctic liquid freezer 2 420 is in the statistics twice, with different temperature values? thermals 200w 100% fan speed. offset bracket position?
@@-eMpTy- yup saw this as well, and came to comment. maybe its the offset bracket position.
It uses Chronoshift technology to transport the CPU's heat load back in time to before the CPU became hot. I would also recommend the Iron Curtain based heat shield AIO.
Great Command & Conquer representation in here!
@@GamersNexusCool to see someone on the team is into Gunpla!
@@GamersNexus I didn't even mention Nvidia's Psychic Dominator technology- Be one with Jensen.
If you haven't yet, look up "DORF Real-Time Strategic Conflict"
It's a new indie strategy game which is a spiritual successor to the original C&C/Red Alert games, with a similar art style and unit designs.
@@CaveyMoth Comrade Premier Jensen.
So one of the things to consider when reviewing these AIOs is using a standardized set of fans so you know how well the water cooling aspect of the solution works vs the whole package. If you could get ground breaking performance from an AIO just by replacing the fans with a high airflow/static pressure solution that would be really helpful to know.
Good point. Ive used Push/Pull setups with high end fans on lower end 240s/360s. The difference was crazy of course. $75 cooler with some Phanteks T30s will cool a 13900k lol. Wont be quiet, but still lol.
Exaclty ! I would to see love that especialy since you can use the fans somewhere else and Use a better fan for the radiotor !
You can kind of tell this already by comparing the full speed graph vs the noise normalized one. Generally the limiting factor for AIO's (and all heatsinks really) is the thermal density of what they are cooling and the thermal conductivity between the cpu die and their fins. Another catch for a heatsink is heatpipe orientation as the CCD's will utilize fewer heatpipes if the heatsink is installed in one direction vs another.
While this is absolutely worth considering, it should also be noted that buying different fans will cost more money. That can easily push an otherwise price competitive product into being more expensive than other products that already come with premium fans that gain nothing from different fans.
And once you go down that route, you'll also have to do it for air coolers, where most can take standard fans as well.
Also IMO to try to minimize the extra work that could even replace the uncapped fan tests becase as its been said many times fans just brute force with speed and how realisticly is it that anyone would put up with that nosie level so really is it all that relevant...
I absolutely love when you test these strange/weird products out.
Same! There are usually some cool or "unusual" ideas that you don't see elsewhere..
@@joshxwho sometimes for good reason
@@thesteelrodent1796rip
But I hate cutting the coil wire.
Thumbs up for the command and conquer reference.
Nice review! If you could get a hand on it could you test the "Alpenföhn Gletscherwasser 360"? Thanx!
The fill port is actually pretty nice. Good to see AIOs with an accessible fill port.
Sadly it voids warranty. Same with the Galahad if I'm not mistaken.
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex It is annoying but kind of makes sense. There really should be no reason to use a fill port under the warranty period. If something goes wrong, send it back.
It's useless to the end-user without a second opening to bleed air through. Manufacturers don't need one because they evacuate all the air from the loop before they pump liquid in - it's much quicker that way, and you can detect leaks while the unit is dry.
@@stoneymahoney9106 There is this neat thing called gravity, works real good.
@@GabrielRodrigues-fg6ex In the US such "warranty void" stickers are actually illegal due to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act. The act protects people doing reasonable basic maintenance or repair of items but might require a trip to small claims court to enforce. But on smaller items may not be worth the time, but if its worth your time you can get the company ordered to refund you if they refuse to honor the warranty. For smaller items like this companies will risk it, as even up to a few hundred dollars like game consoles and computers as the stickers will cover the cost of the few who take it to small claims court, but you WONT see this on say the oil cap for a new car. That people will take to court in a heartbeat.
Could not be happier you are growing as the most reliable and unbiased source for reviews .
Show everyone how it's done Steve . Businesses should take note of your channel.
So happy for your success .
One Idea for AIO testing: Could you use the same fans for all AIOs? This would bring out more the noise differences of the pumps and flow efficiencys. Sure the included fans are mendatory but could be tested seperately.
I was also wondering, because probably you want to change them or whatever
Thank you. Trying super thanks for the first time! 2 questions:
1. What was the reason for uneven mounting pressure? You mentioned it would be discussed in the mounting section, but I don’t *think* it was?
2. @15:00 the chart shows identically labeled Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 in two places. What is the difference?
"lotta gaskets, lotta plastics, little bit of glue" is a great shirt design lmao
It would be interesting to see how this weird push-pull pump setup works with better fans, as it sounds like it's competitive with crap fans. I like that it has a fill port, that's something more AIO's could do with.
Yeah, to everything you said, the current test setup seems to test out of the box and not so much testing the AIO, some good things like the flatness and pressure map of the cold plate, but then uses the stock fans which is more a test of the stock fans ability and really should be in a fan test video, testing all the AIO's with the same fans would seem like it would give a more consistent test between AIO's, the issue being 120 and 140 Rads, with regards to pressure and volume of air and perceived auditory volume.
sometimes they swap the fans you get with the AIO either way
@@MrTrilbe I totally agree with ya, it seems to be solid other than the fans. I wonder how it would hold up over time. Also, I would be very interested to see the performance with one of the pumps disabled- Having dual pumps sounds great for redundancy on paper, but I have no clue how that would work in practice.
I can kinda understand why they didn't swap fans. I guess because an AIO is supposed to be "All in one"/ plug and play, but I wouldn't mind throwing some upgrade fans on one of it's at the top of the pack- for me, swapping some fans on an AIO still beats the headache of open loop even if the price is close with less performance.
When every AIO manufacturer was using Asetek's pump design, it wouldn't have made sense to do that kind of test. Now that there is some varied competition on the market I agree, I would like to see "standardized fan tests" for these coolers to see who has the better pump/coldplate design.
@@AlanTwoRings But the full product is sold with Fans. So The full product should be tested as it is.
When a car is being tested it is tested as it was sold. A test with wider tires, a new suspension and maybe a tuned engine wouldnt help.
It can be tested but thats more something special.
i love seeing more companies create something we have not seen before or exactly like this. I love the innovation with the dual pumps ! very interesting to see how this stands up over time. I did however notice some particles on the copper fin stack that worry me slightly. I would think they didnt flush the rad quite well enough.
20:20
It appears that the same pressure test image was used for pass 2 on both the 3800X and 3950X.
Great review, I really enjoy the reviews of oddball components.
I saw the thumbnail, instantly thought "Chronosphere", and then heard you say it inside the first 30 seconds of the video. Thank you Steve, you absolutely made my day.
Just installed this cooler on my AM5 platform yesterday. Wasn't my choice, got it for free from a friend, that said, very nice performance on my end. Gave me the same thermals I got from better-known brands with a much greater price tag attached. I don't know if it's going to stand the test of time, but so far so good. And just a quick note, my fans are as quiet as previously installed coolers by Corsair, maybe I just got a better set, because they are pretty silent while giving very good cooling.
Your content is NEVER not useful, even for products no one wants or needs. You help keep the manufacturers millions of consumers rely upon to be honest and good value. Thanks Steve, and thanks to all the of the GN team, friends and family. ♥️
The 'pass two' CPU pressure test images for the 3950x and 3800x at 20:13 are exactly the same.
Aliexpress content is always enjoyable
Not always because it works but sometimes its looks or reading the product description.
@GamersNexus Spotted a potential duplication at 14:57 for the "[3x 140] [45.1 dBA] Arctic Liquid Freezer II 420 ~1648RPM" data - I see it twice on there, with temps of 46.5 and 48.2. Separately, been soldering a ton on your recent soldering mat, and loving it. Thanks for being awesome
this really seems like a good product at pretty competetive price, hope their brand does well
The company makes surprisingly decent stuff. I've used their fans and no real problems with them.
Thanks Steve
I can't wait for the fan testing results to start. I'm very curious about how different fans affect a cooler performance. Testing this AIO with standardized fans vs other AIO could show how much a push pull pump truly affects the performance.
It could until they broke it all. Otherwise it would be a good test case for other better fans. Even higher end coolers can have their fans swapped for quieter or better flow versions.
I really love the breakdown and review of these obscure, bizarre or otherwise abnormal cooling solutions. And GN is of course the best at breaking down all the accurate information in a way that’s at least mostly digestible for the laymen. Entertaining and informative, can’t ask for more than that!👍
I really like the pump design, aesthetically. It isn't a dumb cube, with weird aesthetics or screen.
The last hidden chamber was the friends we made along the way.
I can definitely vouch for the benefits of the stiffer tubing. I have an old Cooler Master Nepton 280L that I bought back in 2013 or so (before Asetek sued everyone and it was pulled from the market) that has been in use 24/7 since it was purchased, with no notable degradation to cooling capacity. Despite it being off the market for half a decade when socket AM4 came out, an adapter kit was made available and the cooler has remained useful without ever needing to be refilled or serviced in any other way. Used it on everything from the FX-8350 I bought it for to a 1700x to a 3900x to a 5600x. Getting a decade of use out of unmaintained mechanical components is crazy imo.
Damn, Nepton 280L! I had one of those monsters before, cooled my FX-9370 pretty well! Sounds like a jet engine tho, befitting the JetFlo 140mm fans. Sadly the fans broke when they got choked with sand when I moved to a desert country, so changed them to IP67 Noctua iPPC fans. Still damn good, but I sold them off later on and decided to just stick with air cooling ever since I went Ryzen. Still great cooler tho.
Always love seeing the be quiet screwdriver in use! Best included accessory for any pc component!
Like the new format, very nice. Have you ever considered testing custom loop components? It occurred to me that data like yours re flatness and mounting pressure etc would be excellent for selecting the best individual components.
A great review which probably will help a lot of potential buyers. The screen probably is one of the cool features, because most AIO with a screen cost twice as much as this one. The fan connectors too. I think for this kind of price the product is a really cool alternative. I would probably buy one like that.
At 15:00 there are two Arctic 420 cooler results in the chart. Same dBA, same RPM, different temps.
Thanks Steve, you and the GN team have taught me so much over the last two years and thanks to your guys help I built a budget gaming rig out of a circa 2017 Workstation pc. i7 6700 (turboed to 3.8 MHz) paired with a 600w EVGA psu and an RTX 1080 fe with 16 gb ram for less than $400 has given me phenomenal performance on every I tried. American Truck Sim can run basically full tilt with around 70 fps avg, Metal helsinger and sonic frontiers also run maxed out settings. Havnt bought anything else that's a heavy hitting title yet but I run all this with the air cooler it came with
You're my inspiration, I just wanted to use this chance to say thank you for your curiosities, stories, engagement and energy you give and share ❤
First thing I do is replace any fan with a noctua fan. I know this isn't typical when testing a product as a whole but for people who do the same as me, which these days isn't an outlier, I'd like to see results with identical fans instead of just trying to tweak the fans that come with it to be a certain decibel value. Also , there's a world of difference between decibels created at higher frequencies compared to decibels created at lower. Cheers.
Surprised the team didn't try to do a fan hack by cutting unnecessary support struts to see if that could improve efficiency.
You guys are great! I’m a new subscriber and first time PC builder (started yesterday @ microcenter w/ AMD 7700x bundled w/ MSI b650p pro, 2x16 6000+ ram for $400!)
Your product tests have already helped with a few of my decisions, like planning on the Peerless Assassin dual-tower cooler.
I look forward to bingeing your back catalog!
This cooler looks so awesome, it looks like a reactor turbine!
Ah, you mean a Chronosphere!
20:20, hey it looks like you folks accidentally reused one of the "Pass 2" scan results, as they are identical down to the pixel.
As usual though, you guys are super thorough with your methodology and its super appreciated, keep up the good work.
dang this was more entertaining than expected, ty for the work!
Gotta love the tear down, it is always better when you know you don't have to put it back together!
This cooler would be great in a Star Wars themed build as the cpu pump looks like Plant Hoth shield generator or escape pods for the droids 😅😂🤣. Add this to the Titan XP Star Wars gpus and Tech Yes City’s Darth Ja Ja build …. 😘😘
Steve's reading of the bad English translations might be some of my favourite GN moments 😂♥️
I use Alseye's W12 fans for my rig with an overclocked 3070 and i7-13700k in a Hyte Y60 and I love them so much. Not too loud, look amazing, and perform well enough in my setup I've never had to worry about thermals. So far Alseye has a good rep for me
"Bizarre liquid cooler". Didn't think I'd live to hear the words!
Got it at the bazaar.
Big ups for the C&C shout-out
I was not expecting a reference to Red Alert Chrono Tanks today. -Well done, Steve.- Thanks, Steve.
I just hope Comrade Stalin doesn't buy one of these AIOs, it'll probably explode in his computer. I'm sure some tea will make him feel better though.
Strange products, but honestly not terrible. Pleasantly surprised by this one, especially the manufacturing. With a puzzle box as complicated as that, I'm amazed it didn't release a bunch of cenobites into the room.
I really hope someone set that timer 16:57
That was one fascinating pump. I just wish it was an outstanding performer in addition to being mechanically interesting.
Origami PCBs, pretty common in LED bulbs and other similar devices where they intersect boards to reach multiple spots of the item to not use wires. I like it.
If the unit is sacrificed anyways why not cut the tubes off to make it easier to take the pump apart?
Nice pwnage man, excellent.
I do enjoy seeing this amount of effort for a mounting system it has room for improvment maybe improving manufacturing tolerances and QA to solve their mounting pressure issue
Love the format of this
This looks so close to cool I almost want one. Like, if they cleaned up the tilted screen, and the silly fake stickers I'd be all over that.
Neat concept. Hopefully they'll look at these insights and refine the fan design a little. maybe simplify the dual pump (lowering costs) a little. Sounds like with those two changes it would be a very recommendable product.
*Alseye is just AWESOME !!! I have 7 builds with them, 2 with Air, and 5 with Water coolers ( AIO) , and they ALL, work just PERFECTLY !!!*
Just awesome quality, for the money !!!
Cool unusual design. Thanks for review
I love how 250k was spent on a hemi-anechoic chamber yet Mike has that war crime of a Vertagear chair behind him
Was better than I expected to be fair
"If you're wondering what that means.... Let's move on" LOL
Here's a recommendation. When you come across a fan setup like this that you can't get to a noise normalised level in the usual way, test it with the lowest SPL you can obtain without errors or trickery to get it to work. The result should be highlighted as such but that would be more meaningful to me as a "what is the average user going to get" scenario.
That aside, I really love the look of the pump. I didn't get your meme references to it, but to me it looks like an industrial turbine housing. I'd be very tempted to get it for that and just use the stock front mounted fans of my Be Quiet! 500fx case instead.
Need some of that Dual Sucker technology in my life.
Same.
"If you're wondering what that means,"...... crickets....Well played.
Still waiting for a cooler with "Anti Gravity Me Love You Long Time" tech.
This product review has so many meme potential
That was quite the disassembly video! I've rebuilt hundreds of pumps, various designs all kinds of applications, this one is in need of a K.I.S.S. lesson. Using a dual pump in series for such a low pressure system is such a gimmick, way too complicated in this case!
That’s cooler masters DUAL AIO PUMP, it must be coming out soon, woo!!!
I'd love to see something like this designed for redundancy. Pumps are the most common AIO failure. If it comes with 2 but can operate with 1, that's a meaningful advantage
I love these videos! Really cool fan and honestly not a bad product overall despite the shortcomings. Hopefully the company does improve the product as it's actually something I'd consider buying just for the novelty and the fact that it does do the job decently enough for what I'd need it for.
I loved that Red Alert name drop :D I miss that series so much!
my boy's steve's gray hairs are glorious
"If you're wondering what that means... Moving on!" I chortled so hard i choked on my own spit. Thanks Steve!
The pressure test - the second pass for the 3800x is identical to the 3950x - looks like someone did a copy and paste by mistake.
I've been running 9 Allseye translucent rgb fans in my rig for 3 years, 0 issues also very quiet.
This is an interesting product, especially an AliExpress product. As someone who usually replaces the AIO fans to match what ever build I'm doing. I'm quite shocked though that neither you or the company who has created this AIO has thought about redundancy with the pump design. This could be a massive selling point. If 1 pump fails does the other keep working? It could throw an error on the PC informing the user that a pump has failed and they could continue using the computer until it is replaced. Which is a lot better than the current (pump fails, cpu heats up the block, it reaches max temp and then shuts down) leaving the user without a computer until another can be bought and arrive.
I think the general commentary about stator / rotor designs on fans is that you want to keep both at different numbers and odd/even configurations to try to mitigate some of the noise. While I get that they tried to increase the static pressure here, a stator on fans also increases the wake turbulence and noise. The designers did angle both differently, but the configuration guidelines still stand.
thanks for the teardown
I just upgrade from a Phanteks p400s, to the G500A; and what fucking upgrade.
Love the Phanteks cases.
Can we get a GN review of the lian li galahad trinity aio coolers now that they are released?
Could you hack a gpu block into this? Seems like the two pumps should have enough pressure.... throw some stronger fans on the radiator, and you've got an extremely efficient full setup!
As the Lab grows exponentially, so does Steves hair.
It looks very well engineered, they really put a lot of love in that product. I like the pumps.
The next generation is quite likely going to beat Arctic if they iterate on what they have.
These are all clumped together within 1C or 2C because they're reaching physical boundaries of how much heat they can move off the CPU with that volume of liquid. Apart from lowering the noise level, they're not going to get much better performance out of a 240mm or 360mm AIO.
@@markh4750 Stronger pump pressure allows more efficient heat exchange, faster flowrate allows more heat exchange. I don't know the physical limits of those small systems but they are certainly not reached.
On the fan design & resulting noise, the number of struts relative to the number of blades is in fact relevant. You want those two number to be *coprime* - that is, not divisible by each other and sharing no prime factors in common. That's because, as each blade passes each struct, it produces a pulse of turbulence noise, and if those pulses all happen at the same time, it makes a louder overall noise than if they happen at different times. (For an example of these noise pulses, listen to sonar recordings of a big ship's propeller, where typically a three-blade propeller interacts with the single "strut" of the ship's keel and rudder, thus making a sound like a steam locomotive working hard.)
I love red alert so much oh my goodness
That's a great blast from the past
Could we have a GN Extras with further discussion on the "dual sucker technology" ?
11:10 Did they solder the mid board onto the side boards after the stators were in place? That makes this very difficult to repair. It's like they built it in CAD and then tried to figure out how it would actually go together.
This really is the weirdest cooler I’ve seen in a while.
Dual sucker technology bet this thing knows me ex. haha love the videos like this. Excited for the sound room stuff
THANK YOU STEVE !
That's cool and all, but when's that 4060 TI 16GB Review coming out??? I'm ready for the scorching wrath you'll give it!
Command & Conquer mentioned!! W Gamers Nexus
I really like Alseye products, some times, they're really bold. Yet, not quite for high end builds, but, i keep an eye on.
Oh man! A Red Alert Chronosphere reference before we get started.
I am so surprised you didn't mention the obvious benefit of redundancy on the pumps. One of the main failure modes and reliability downfalls on aio coolers is the pump
New arrive just for better reminds me of the directions on my new mower that instructed me to "Fall enoygh oil before starting"
21:49 - "Two screws each, respectively." - Ah, each... respectively. ;-)
I too advertise dual sucker technology
I wonder if straight up cutting four of the fan struts off would reduce the noise issue without the fans breaking.
It's the good kind of dual sucker.