Hi Graham. Great to hear your update. I took mine on a trip from Cambridge to Bristol recently through the Cotswolds. I forgot how smooth the bike is through the power delivery and how comfortable it was. Looking to use it more this year than my other bike (CCM Bobber). Speaking of the weight, it used to intimidate me, but now I know what I should and should not do. Having a bike stand in the garage is a great suggestion to owners of heavier bikes as it means you can drive in forwards and than jack the bike up on the stand and safely turn it around. Best purchase I got for my VFR.
Cheers, Glad you're enjoying it. Yes I guess you just deal with it as best you can. I see it as a saving on gym membership. Seriously though, it's the compromise thing again .
Great video, Graham!! People always ask me about the ZZ verses the VFR. They are both fast, but ride and handle totally different. As you stated: “there’s always a compromise between 2 different bikes.” I’m truly blessed and grateful to be able to have these bikes….I love them both, and I’m always smiling at the end of a ride!! Have fun, be safe, ride on!!
I'm not saying that the VFR1200F is a slouch, it's torque and speed are phenomenal! However, my "ZZ" is a ZX14R, and I can assure you, it will definitely leave the VFR behind!! They are both land rockets, but the ZX14R is just quicker and faster. Both are excellent bikes!! I'm blessed and grateful that I have both. 🙏
@@Grahamvfr The ZX14R, as I’ve seen it written, is “stupid”/insanely quick and fast!! In “L” mode, 80% engine power, she is still extremely fast but on the road averages 39-43 mpg, or @ 17.86 km/l when cruising country roads at 60-70 mph, 96.5-112.7 kph, with some “fun” accelerations to add to the excitement! Peace and blessings to you and your wife, Graham!! PS: I would love for you to strap on my ZX14R in “L” then “F,” 100% power. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face along with putting “the fear of THE LORD” in you as well. Both bikes require MUCH respect!! I know I don’t need to tell you that!!
Hi Graham, Nice story and good to hear that you are still happy with the bike. My story is different. I owned a ST1100 for more than 20 years and really liked it until that day when a VFR stopped besides me at a traffic light. I fell completely in love with the model, noticed the suitcases and became really interested. The only requirements I had was a shaft drive and must be able to handle a pillion pretty well. As the VFR ticked both the boxes, I bought one within a week 😊. I was not looking for such a strong machine but when I experienced it, it became one of the boxes that need to be ticked as well 😉. The VFR always puts a smile at my face when you accelerate and the brakes are fantastic. My wife finds the VFR a bit less comfy than the ST1100 but is very much ok with it (she often joins, so that would say enough 😉). The VFR is not as heavy as the ST110 so that was an advantage for me, but it is a heavy bike. I also recognize that the clutch is heavy as well. Strangely enough, I can drive longer on the VFR than the ST1100 before I need to take a break. She is a bit thirsty when you use it for touring but strange enough pretty economic when you drive on the highway. The handling of the VFR is superb, gives me so much confidence and trust and it still ticks all the boxes that I was looking for (and some of them which I was not even aware of 😊). Wish you many more pleasant kilometers/miles!
Thanks for that comprehensive input Henk (says Henk on notification). Only had a few pillion moments, my son and a few mates when their bike was unavailable. Big seat on the st 1100, hard to beat I suppose. Yep I don't really need all that power (need the torque though), but it's great to indulge every now and then.Short Germany trip coming up soon, landing Europoort as usual. 😊
Brand loyalty was high on my list of priorities when I bought both of my VFR1200Fs, and of course, both lived up to expectations perfectly. I also owned a VFR750FA 20+ years ago, which I was particularly fond of, so V-Fours were possibly my engine of choice. They were, in my opinion, simply streets ahead of their sports/touring competition, in terms of quality build, sure-footed high speed handling and unique engine performance - period.
When I hear talk of Honda being boring, I have to remind them of the magnificent 250 /6 race bike, the sheer gobsmack of the cb750 in 1969 (bikerdodd recently called it overrated??), the cbx 1000 ,rc 30s fireblades, blackbirds plus all of the pure road v4s , they are/were truly innovative and deserve to be respected. 👍👍
About to get a 1200. Im also a Honda V4 man. Can’t be beaten from my experience. Was tempted to go down the BMW boxer route for a change but after test riding a few a bikes (RS and RT) the engine simply isn’t as enjoyable as Honda V4 for me. Ive had the 750, 800, 800VTEC and the 1300 in the ST. I think the 1200 is the sweet spot. All the performance (and more) that the 800 has and Im looking forward to having to not have to Rev the bike to get the performance.
@@Grahamvfr Ah the classic litre sports bike riders opinion! Overcompensating something with BHP…… My usual retort when I get the classic cliche “VFRs are boring old man bikes” is “There’s no such thing as a boring motorbike, just boring riders.” Usually shuts up those man-childs with R1s and GSXRs that still think going as fast as possible is what motorcycling is about.
@@andrewtaylor6410 Well , on your point of boring rider v boring bikes, the fastest rider in our group by far, rides the least powerful bike. Not saying his tracer 9 is boring (it's not) but it's at least 30 bhp down on our average group bhp .
Picking mine up next week. Test rode one a while back, incredible machine. I was shocked how light it handled considering its size & weight I had. Honestly handled better than VFR 800. And my god, the engine, far quicker the 600 CBR RR I owed. My criteria was very similar to yours! (Sporty for the weekends, hard luggage integrated to keep the rear clean, wanted full set for commuting / touring / food shopping, shaft drive, large engine for torque benefits)
Thank you. I'm a big Honda V4 fan, the 4th gen VFR 750F in the shed is a testimony of that. As a daily I now have a 1150GS. Before that it was a ST1100 and an 1150RT. I like the GS, never thought I would... But... it is tall, wind protection is, well, none. So... looking around again. On my shortlist: VFR800 (for obvious reasons), VFR 1200 and... the K1200/1300S. I feel the VFR and K's are focused to the same audience. In all tests I've found, the K bikes fare quit a bit better than the VFR 1200. From a maintenance point of view (I do most maintenance myself) they both are complex bikes, yet so is the VFR 750. The 1150GS is a breeze in that respect... However, I have a question if I may. Have you ridden either the K1200 or K1300S? And, if so, in your opinion, is the VFR1200 the better bike?
@@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Thank you for your question and comment. Firstly may I just say, I recently reviewed my friends gs1250 and was thoroughly impressed, (it's on my channel) even compared to my Vfr. However they are in a different price range and type of bike. When comparing a k1300/1200 to the Vfr, I would say capability wise they seem almost identical, except for easier luggage system on Vfr. However historically the Vfr seems to have the upper hand on reliability. I briefly rode k1200r. (naked ish) way back in 2008, and enjoyed the power but not the slightly rough engine. I would, hand on heart say the Vfr is just different (not least that glorious V4 engine ) to the k12/13 not objectively better. Hope that helps 👍
@@Grahamvfr Thank you. If you ride fairly old stuff like me, they are all more or less in the same price range. The K bikes are relatively cheap in my country, much cheaper than used VFRs or GSes. Being a mean Dutchman (we are worst than the Scots) paying less always attracts me😊.
@@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Oh that's interesting..the vfr12 is a cheap bike in UK , voted by one mag as the best value used bike available (all categories). K series not particularly highly priced, but perhaps a touch higher than vfr. Ps..pity your fuel isn't cheaper 😏
Hi Graham spot on review like we have said many times yes clutch is heavy and to push around its a little heavy and fuel range could be better as you know i am a big vfr fan and still having two 750 models and having a 800 one the 1200 is very much like the 800 to ride but a lot more powerfull . The shaft drive is a god send yes comfort wise its spot as you know have had the seat made better for more comfort done some big stints in the saddle on mine my view its a fast sports bike with comfort and handling and build qualitly is top notch evey ride i have on it i have a huge grin at the end what would i get next another one.
Yes indeed, just trying to point out that the vfr is a serious sports tourer, if light/weight bikes are on your shortlist also perhaps the vfr is a bit too much . Cheers
Hey Gram, enjoy your videos and pics but I’m having a hard time enjoying mine due to the bike not starting because the fuel pump not cycling most of the time showing that small bar in the display window on the right side. I changed out the ECU, fuel pump, and angle sensor which all were not working properly. It’s a 2010 with 10,000 miles but has been acting up at 8,000. Honda Inc will not help because the bike is out of warranty even though I feel it’s a factory defect that these part are shot. Two different H😊onda mechanics and one independent cannot find what’s wrong either. Sometimes it starts but when you don’t hear the fuel pump cycling it’s a no go. When it’s running it runs like a dream, fast and smooth. Are there any test for the wiring harness which would cost more than anyone would spend on a used unit? Any suggesting before I’m forced to part it out?
@@lbrowns32 oooh well as you know, it's so hard to find these issues, suprised there's no engine light on . I'm afraid I cannot be of any further help apart from stating an obvious thing (apologies). You hadn't mentioned checking the kill switch continuity (is that the right word?)
BMW k is trouble… abs & electronics. I got an FJR 1309, but thinking bout more power.. skipping to a VFR 1200. I used to ride an hayabusa as a tourer with Superbike steer. It also was tuned for more power in lower revs. Nothing rides like a busa in low revs, specially tuned.
Don't know why but this bike is suddenly calling me. Living in Las Vegas I'd like something fast, powerful and comfortable to get me across boring straight highways across the desert and up into the mountains. This might be the one.
@@Audace1400 It's ability to cover ground fast and effortlessly is astonishing. Just needs a tweak on the screen (hence my deflector). Las Vegas!!!!! Wow, I'm writing this from a cool wet September morning in north east England brrr.
@@Grahamvfr Yeah perfect mountain tamer. Well I am glad you found your dream bike. I'll have to try one. Im seeing some for sale from around $5K USD to $8K with 20,000 miles on the clock. Seems like good value for a lot of bike. I'd probably take a manual over the dct auto gearbox.
Yes, it's heavy, especially to move by hand, and the clutch is heavy. Other than that I can't really find any cons on the bike. You're right: it cannot be compared to a much lighter motorcycle, like a naked, and maybe to a supersport one, though the engine can compete with a lot of poweful track bikes. It's a class on its own
I think yes it can compete with a lot of sports bikes, it is still a sports bike at heart and Honda were keen to point that out. Clutch has a lovely smooth take up though which helps to forgive it's heavy action . Thanks again 👍
Hi Graham, I hope you are well. I watch all your videos. They are insightful. Thank you for them. I am planning to ride to Bosnia from the UK this year. I am pretty much new to motorcycling with just over 3 years experience. I would like to know as to what compulsory spare parts I should carry with me on this trip. It would be kind of you if you can enlighten me. Regards joe.
Thats very kind thank you. Having ridden extensively in Europe for past 20 yrs, to the best of my knowledge, most items are recommended not mandatory. I believe in Bosnia like Germany a hi Viz must be carried, and I believe Slovenia requires spare bulbs (not sure how that works with built in leds) but apart from v5, cert of ins, driving licence etc, that's it. Please note again..this is my knowledge. Hope it's a great trip.
Don't know why I really brought mine. I just wanted something bigger, quicker and more reliable than my last bike. Other than it being on my "dream list" of bikes id like to own it was more a case of right cost, place and time. I didn't think about the negatives and only really started to look at what there like after buying. Still waiting on delivery of mine, dealer was putting a fresh MOT and giving it a service before they deliver it so I'm fine with waiting.
I'm sure like me you will love it, I guess I'm just a bit defensive if the bike (and I must stress I love most bikes), when folk are negative to the bike rather than their own buying decisions, if that makes sense.👍
It was a grand bike when i had it, however, i went from a blackbird to the VFR, thinking maybe honda have made another great bike like the blackbird and that the VFR was the new model honda had pushed to replace the blackbird for touring while still having the feel of a sports bike with speed etc. I went back to the blackbird, the blackbird still remains to me, the best touring/sports bike that honda have ever made. The VFR is still a good bike, but the blackbird still beats it hands down. I would say to people who tour, that honda VFR is a great bike for doing just that, but don't expect to take the corners as well as the bkackbird that was also built for touring but with a sports feel and handling to it
@@maidenaholic Well thank you for your excellent input, much appreciated 👍, I did a vid on the two, see link at end. In that vid I pointed out how I loved the blackbird, but the bikes are so different it's difficult to compare. Biggest obvious thing is a Cbr Vs a Vfr, different genres. I loved the turbine smoothness and surge of blackbird, however I 'personally' find the Vfr much sportier in it's overall approach to fast twisty roads , and the mid range stronger (preferred bottom end and top end id blackbird). However great bikes in their own right, and I like you still hold blackbird in high esteem. Shaft and fixed luggage puts Vfr ahead (as you said) for my touring needs. Great discussion point though 😊😊. See linkth-cam.com/video/AOkDxBF5PCo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AqDeXVxBTrbrfIku
In my opinion, this is the best looking sports tourer ever made. The blue colour is beautiful (better than the red one 😀). I would have purchased one if it wasn't for the small fuel tank. I live in Australia, when touring we have places where the fuel stations are spread out. I would have fuel anxiety. I ended up getting the ugly duckling BMWr1200rs, great bike but not as beautiful and awesome sounding as the VFR.
Oh that's a shame, fortunately in the the UK 40 to 50 miles (I'm guessing ) is probably the longest stretch without fuel . On my fuel range video I think I got 152 miles before light on,with mixed riding. Yes although I have a lot of time for the BMW (my close friend has just bought a r1250rs), as you say, its not as elegant or stylish. Thank you for watching 👍
Yes this bike is no good for OZ. I find the fuel gauge starts flashing at 135 miles which is not a lot. I have learned to live with it but you can’t afford to miss a fuel stop
I almost bought a white one, but it was a bit rough, and I wanted it for the 2022 tt trip with only a month to spare. I was looking at both the vfr1200 and the crosstourer. I opted for the later, things that influenced me were hard luggage, shaft drive and the v4. I fell in love with my vfr750rc36 after bringing it back from the dead and wanted another v4. One question Graham, have you serviced the forks? I know you changed the rear shock.
I'm torn between a VFR1200f and a VFR800. I feel like I would like to have the experience of owning a VFR800 for the handling and feel of the bike. But I often ride 2 up and so I'm leaning towards the VFR1200f. I'm curious about the VFR1200X too but don't want to trade in 40-50 HP for the X. I'd like to fancy myself doing loads of touring but I more likely will do weekend rides and an occasional trip of a couple hundred or so miles one way. What do you think? I currently have an old 86 Magna 700c and love the engine.
Thanks for your interest. I love the smaller vfrs, but the sheer grunt of the 1200 is addictive, plus the shaft and it does handle sweetly. With regards to the 1200x , believe me you won't miss the reduced bhp because the torque levels remain, and even though I still push on I'm rarely over 7k, which on the vfrv12 is around 130 bhp. Top heaviness of the X is obviously to be taken into account. If you are happy with a sporty riding position the vfr12f will suit fine. Let me know 👍
I had a 750 for a few years. You don’t need any more power for fully loaded two up touring. You can jump on a VFR and just go sports touring in Europe in comfort and confidence.
I test rode a VFR1200-DCT a few years ago, I found it to be the most underwhelming machine I had ever ridden. Totally unsuited to the DCT gearbox. EDIT: I eventually settled on a Hayabusa which I found excellent....until I tried a Kawasaki ZZR1400 which is so so comfortable. Indeed the ZZR1400 is a better motorcycle than the 'Busa in every way. 2 years on and I still love the big Kwak.
Yes I understand different opinions it's a grower and I've mentioned on a few videos that first impression can mislead..Busa and zzr are fantastic bikes, but playing a totally different game. Which is more like the blackbird genre. Thank you for your input 👍
Graham, i would not recommend you swap for DCT model. You would not be impressed. I am a DCT fan and I can say that Honda made a big mistake launching DCT with this engine. Two mides Drive and Sport. Drive has you in 6th gear 2.5k revs just where the engine is weakest. Sports mode is like a rocket and the bike will not let you shift higher than 4th unless you are doing 70mph. I have bought a footshifter to put on mine so that I can drive in manual mode more often. That might suit you if you go down DCT route.
I disagree. The DCT gearbox is superb and makes the bike in my opinion. I use the manual option only using the paddle shifts, like up/down quick shifters - absolutely brilliant. Goes like you no what off a shovel, can engine brake or change up mid corner and the bike is absolutely planted. Great for pillions too with no gearchange shunt as with normal gearbox. Doesn't stall and brings a grin to my face every time, I have it 8 years now and have had all cc variations of the VFR before it, as well as other bikes of course. Superb bike. I dont know whats out there to replace it with so I haven't.
@@kevinf876 don't get me wrong, I took think it is a great bike with DCT. But for Graeme as an experienced rider I see no point in him switching to a DCT variant. Graeme can come to Scotland and try mine.
Thank you Brian always appreciate your input . Feedback I get is 50/50 , but with almost everyone agreeing as you say, that normal mode changes far too early (engine is not a it's best lugging). It's only a thought in the back of my mind at this stage and i am naturally a curious person so a wrong decision to me is just another experience, if I didn't like it, I'd just sell it I suppose. I take your valid point about the gear lever 👍. I guy in my road has a Gold wing dct and nc750, which as you know work well with dct. Ps in the late 90 I had a Saab turbo 900 sensonic, full manual, auto clutch..was quirky but unloved by most.
@@kevinf876 Thank you for input Kevin, as I replied to Brian, it doesn't matter to me if one is better than the other, im all for trying different things. But at moment it's just a thought. Thanks for watching.
Note: Windy again , so editing out wind noise, has affected audio a little bit 😏
Hi Graham. Great to hear your update. I took mine on a trip from Cambridge to Bristol recently through the Cotswolds. I forgot how smooth the bike is through the power delivery and how comfortable it was. Looking to use it more this year than my other bike (CCM Bobber). Speaking of the weight, it used to intimidate me, but now I know what I should and should not do. Having a bike stand in the garage is a great suggestion to owners of heavier bikes as it means you can drive in forwards and than jack the bike up on the stand and safely turn it around. Best purchase I got for my VFR.
Cheers, Glad you're enjoying it. Yes I guess you just deal with it as best you can.
I see it as a saving on gym membership. Seriously though, it's the compromise thing again .
Great video, Graham!! People always ask me about the ZZ verses the VFR. They are both fast, but ride and handle totally different. As you stated: “there’s always a compromise between 2 different bikes.” I’m truly blessed and grateful to be able to have these bikes….I love them both, and I’m always smiling at the end of a ride!! Have fun, be safe, ride on!!
Hi Mike, yes it must be a pleasure to own both bikes, thank you for the comments 😊
I have a VFR 1200 and before that a ZZR 1100 and ZZR1200. The VFR is just as fast and even more torquey
I'm not saying that the VFR1200F is a slouch, it's torque and speed are phenomenal! However, my "ZZ" is a ZX14R, and I can assure you, it will definitely leave the VFR behind!! They are both land rockets, but the ZX14R is just quicker and faster. Both are excellent bikes!! I'm blessed and grateful that I have both. 🙏
@@mkaa05 Absolutely Mike, you can't argue with the extra cc and bhp of zx14 it's a phenomenal speed machine. 😊
@@Grahamvfr The ZX14R, as I’ve seen it written, is “stupid”/insanely quick and fast!! In “L” mode, 80% engine power, she is still extremely fast but on the road averages 39-43 mpg, or @ 17.86 km/l when cruising country roads at 60-70 mph, 96.5-112.7 kph, with some “fun” accelerations to add to the excitement! Peace and blessings to you and your wife, Graham!! PS: I would love for you to strap on my ZX14R in “L” then “F,” 100% power. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face along with putting “the fear of THE LORD” in you as well. Both bikes require MUCH respect!! I know I don’t need to tell you that!!
Hi Graham,
Nice story and good to hear that you are still happy with the bike. My story is different. I owned a ST1100 for more than 20 years and really liked it until that day when a VFR stopped besides me at a traffic light. I fell completely in love with the model, noticed the suitcases and became really interested.
The only requirements I had was a shaft drive and must be able to handle a pillion pretty well. As the VFR ticked both the boxes, I bought one within a week 😊. I was not looking for such a strong machine but when I experienced it, it became one of the boxes that need to be ticked as well 😉. The VFR always puts a smile at my face when you accelerate and the brakes are fantastic. My wife finds the VFR a bit less comfy than the ST1100 but is very much ok with it (she often joins, so that would say enough 😉). The VFR is not as heavy as the ST110 so that was an advantage for me, but it is a heavy bike. I also recognize that the clutch is heavy as well.
Strangely enough, I can drive longer on the VFR than the ST1100 before I need to take a break. She is a bit thirsty when you use it for touring but strange enough pretty economic when you drive on the highway.
The handling of the VFR is superb, gives me so much confidence and trust and it still ticks all the boxes that I was looking for (and some of them which I was not even aware of 😊).
Wish you many more pleasant kilometers/miles!
Thanks for that comprehensive input Henk (says Henk on notification). Only had a few pillion moments, my son and a few mates when their bike was unavailable. Big seat on the st 1100, hard to beat I suppose. Yep I don't really need all that power (need the torque though), but it's great to indulge every now and then.Short Germany trip coming up soon, landing Europoort as usual. 😊
@@Grahamvfr correct, pillions are spoiled on the ST1100, but we are spoiled on the VFR 🤣
@@hbor77 👍
Brand loyalty was high on my list of priorities when I bought both of my VFR1200Fs, and of course, both lived up to expectations perfectly. I also owned a VFR750FA 20+ years ago, which I was particularly fond of, so V-Fours were possibly my engine of choice. They were, in my opinion, simply streets ahead of their sports/touring competition, in terms of quality build, sure-footed high speed handling and unique engine performance - period.
When I hear talk of Honda being boring, I have to remind them of the magnificent 250 /6 race bike, the sheer gobsmack of the cb750 in 1969 (bikerdodd recently called it overrated??), the cbx 1000 ,rc 30s fireblades, blackbirds plus all of the pure road v4s , they are/were truly innovative and deserve to be respected. 👍👍
About to get a 1200. Im also a Honda V4 man. Can’t be beaten from my experience. Was tempted to go down the BMW boxer route for a change but after test riding a few a bikes (RS and RT) the engine simply isn’t as enjoyable as Honda V4 for me. Ive had the 750, 800, 800VTEC and the 1300 in the ST. I think the 1200 is the sweet spot. All the performance (and more) that the 800 has and Im looking forward to having to not have to Rev the bike to get the performance.
@@Grahamvfr Ah the classic litre sports bike riders opinion! Overcompensating something with BHP…… My usual retort when I get the classic cliche “VFRs are boring old man bikes” is “There’s no such thing as a boring motorbike, just boring riders.” Usually shuts up those man-childs with R1s and GSXRs that still think going as fast as possible is what motorcycling is about.
@@andrewtaylor6410 Well , on your point of boring rider v boring bikes, the fastest rider in our group by far, rides the least powerful bike. Not saying his tracer 9 is boring (it's not) but it's at least 30 bhp down on our average group bhp .
Picking mine up next week. Test rode one a while back, incredible machine. I was shocked how light it handled considering its size & weight I had. Honestly handled better than VFR 800. And my god, the engine, far quicker the 600 CBR RR I owed. My criteria was very similar to yours! (Sporty for the weekends, hard luggage integrated to keep the rear clean, wanted full set for commuting / touring / food shopping, shaft drive, large engine for torque benefits)
@@andrewtaylor6410 Great stuff, hope you thoroughly enjoy it 👍👍👍
I have the Dct crosstourer and it’s superb. Had the manual ct and changed.
Pleased to hear you enjoy the dct👍
Thank you. I'm a big Honda V4 fan, the 4th gen VFR 750F in the shed is a testimony of that. As a daily I now have a 1150GS. Before that it was a ST1100 and an 1150RT. I like the GS, never thought I would... But... it is tall, wind protection is, well, none. So... looking around again. On my shortlist: VFR800 (for obvious reasons), VFR 1200 and... the K1200/1300S. I feel the VFR and K's are focused to the same audience. In all tests I've found, the K bikes fare quit a bit better than the VFR 1200. From a maintenance point of view (I do most maintenance myself) they both are complex bikes, yet so is the VFR 750. The 1150GS is a breeze in that respect... However, I have a question if I may. Have you ridden either the K1200 or K1300S? And, if so, in your opinion, is the VFR1200 the better bike?
@@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Thank you for your question and comment.
Firstly may I just say, I recently reviewed my friends gs1250 and was thoroughly impressed, (it's on my channel) even compared to my Vfr. However they are in a different price range and type of bike. When comparing a k1300/1200 to the Vfr, I would say capability wise they seem almost identical, except for easier luggage system on Vfr. However historically the Vfr seems to have the upper hand on reliability. I briefly rode k1200r. (naked ish) way back in 2008, and enjoyed the power but not the slightly rough engine.
I would, hand on heart say the Vfr is just different (not least that glorious V4 engine ) to the k12/13 not objectively better. Hope that helps 👍
@@Grahamvfr Thank you. If you ride fairly old stuff like me, they are all more or less in the same price range. The K bikes are relatively cheap in my country, much cheaper than used VFRs or GSes. Being a mean Dutchman (we are worst than the Scots) paying less always attracts me😊.
@@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Oh that's interesting..the vfr12 is a cheap bike in UK , voted by one mag as the best value used bike available (all categories).
K series not particularly highly priced, but perhaps a touch higher than vfr.
Ps..pity your fuel isn't cheaper 😏
Hi Graham spot on review like we have said many times yes clutch is heavy and to push around its a little heavy and fuel range could be better as you know i am a big vfr fan and still having two 750 models and having a 800 one the 1200 is very much like the 800 to ride but a lot more powerfull . The shaft drive is a god send yes comfort wise its spot as you know have had the seat made better for more comfort done some big stints in the saddle on mine my view its a fast sports bike with comfort and handling and build qualitly is top notch evey ride i have on it i have a huge grin at the end what would i get next another one.
Yes indeed, just trying to point out that the vfr is a serious sports tourer, if light/weight bikes are on your shortlist also perhaps the vfr is a bit too much . Cheers
Hey Gram, enjoy your videos and pics but I’m having a hard time enjoying mine due to the bike not starting because the fuel pump not cycling most of the time showing that small bar in the display window on the right side. I changed out the ECU, fuel pump, and angle sensor which all were not working properly. It’s a 2010 with 10,000 miles but has been acting up at 8,000. Honda Inc will not help because the bike is out of warranty even though I feel it’s a factory defect that these part are shot. Two different H😊onda mechanics and one independent cannot find what’s wrong either. Sometimes it starts but when you don’t hear the fuel pump cycling it’s a no go. When it’s running it runs like a dream, fast and smooth. Are there any test for the wiring harness which would cost more than anyone would spend on a used unit? Any suggesting before I’m forced to part it out?
@@lbrowns32 oooh well as you know, it's so hard to find these issues, suprised there's no engine light on . I'm afraid I cannot be of any further help apart from stating an obvious thing (apologies). You hadn't mentioned checking the kill switch continuity (is that the right word?)
BMW k is trouble… abs & electronics.
I got an FJR 1309, but thinking bout more power.. skipping to a VFR 1200. I used to ride an hayabusa as a tourer with Superbike steer. It also was tuned for more power in lower revs. Nothing rides like a busa in low revs, specially tuned.
@@Jandejongjong Yes the reports of issues on BMW were a concern.
Hard to argue with the sheer might if that hyabusa engine 👍. Thanks for the input!.
Don't know why but this bike is suddenly calling me. Living in Las Vegas I'd like something fast, powerful and comfortable to get me across boring straight highways across the desert and up into the mountains. This might be the one.
@@Audace1400 It's ability to cover ground fast and effortlessly is astonishing. Just needs a tweak on the screen (hence my deflector).
Las Vegas!!!!! Wow, I'm writing this from a cool wet September morning in north east England brrr.
@@Grahamvfr England? Nice
I bet this bike can cross England faster than you can say Worzel Gummidge.
@@Audace1400 haha ye and even with Aunt Sally on the back . It's been a perfect tool for, crossing over into Europe and into the Alps 👍
@@Grahamvfr Yeah perfect mountain tamer. Well I am glad you found your dream bike. I'll have to try one. Im seeing some for sale from around $5K USD to $8K with 20,000 miles on the clock. Seems like good value for a lot of bike. I'd probably take a manual over the dct auto gearbox.
@@Audace1400 Good luck 👍😊
Yes, it's heavy, especially to move by hand, and the clutch is heavy. Other than that I can't really find any cons on the bike. You're right: it cannot be compared to a much lighter motorcycle, like a naked, and maybe to a supersport one, though the engine can compete with a lot of poweful track bikes. It's a class on its own
I think yes it can compete with a lot of sports bikes, it is still a sports bike at heart and Honda were keen to point that out.
Clutch has a lovely smooth take up though which helps to forgive it's heavy action . Thanks again 👍
Verry cool comfortable machine with great engine
@@Draznesht Yea that V4 is Star of the show,👍
Hi Graham, I hope you are well. I watch all your videos. They are insightful. Thank you for them. I am planning to ride to Bosnia from the UK this year. I am pretty much new to motorcycling with just over 3 years experience. I would like to know as to what compulsory spare parts I should carry with me on this trip. It would be kind of you if you can enlighten me. Regards joe.
Thats very kind thank you. Having ridden extensively in Europe for past 20 yrs, to the best of my knowledge, most items are recommended not mandatory. I believe in Bosnia like Germany a hi Viz must be carried, and I believe Slovenia requires spare bulbs (not sure how that works with built in leds) but apart from v5, cert of ins, driving licence etc, that's it. Please note again..this is my knowledge. Hope it's a great trip.
@@Grahamvfr Thanks Graham.
Don't know why I really brought mine. I just wanted something bigger, quicker and more reliable than my last bike. Other than it being on my "dream list" of bikes id like to own it was more a case of right cost, place and time. I didn't think about the negatives and only really started to look at what there like after buying.
Still waiting on delivery of mine, dealer was putting a fresh MOT and giving it a service before they deliver it so I'm fine with waiting.
I'm sure like me you will love it, I guess I'm just a bit defensive if the bike (and I must stress I love most bikes), when folk are negative to the bike rather than their own buying decisions, if that makes sense.👍
It was a grand bike when i had it, however, i went from a blackbird to the VFR, thinking maybe honda have made another great bike like the blackbird and that the VFR was the new model honda had pushed to replace the blackbird for touring while still having the feel of a sports bike with speed etc. I went back to the blackbird, the blackbird still remains to me, the best touring/sports bike that honda have ever made. The VFR is still a good bike, but the blackbird still beats it hands down. I would say to people who tour, that honda VFR is a great bike for doing just that, but don't expect to take the corners as well as the bkackbird that was also built for touring but with a sports feel and handling to it
@@maidenaholic Well thank you for your excellent input, much appreciated 👍, I did a vid on the two, see link at end. In that vid I pointed out how I loved the blackbird, but the bikes are so different it's difficult to compare. Biggest obvious thing is a Cbr Vs a Vfr, different genres. I loved the turbine smoothness and surge of blackbird, however I 'personally' find the Vfr much sportier in it's overall approach to fast twisty roads , and the mid range stronger (preferred bottom end and top end id blackbird). However great bikes in their own right, and I like you still hold blackbird in high esteem. Shaft and fixed luggage puts Vfr ahead (as you said) for my touring needs.
Great discussion point though 😊😊. See linkth-cam.com/video/AOkDxBF5PCo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AqDeXVxBTrbrfIku
I just got this bike’s ECU flashed. Now it’ll never be detuned like it was from the factory. Insanely fast and I can meet a top speed of 170 lol
Great stuff..So pleased you are enjoying it even more 😊.
In my opinion, this is the best looking sports tourer ever made. The blue colour is beautiful (better than the red one 😀). I would have purchased one if it wasn't for the small fuel tank. I live in Australia, when touring we have places where the fuel stations are spread out. I would have fuel anxiety. I ended up getting the ugly duckling BMWr1200rs, great bike but not as beautiful and awesome sounding as the VFR.
Oh that's a shame, fortunately in the the UK 40 to 50 miles (I'm guessing ) is probably the longest stretch without fuel . On my fuel range video I think I got 152 miles before light on,with mixed riding.
Yes although I have a lot of time for the BMW (my close friend has just bought a r1250rs), as you say, its not as elegant or stylish. Thank you for watching 👍
Yes this bike is no good for OZ. I find the fuel gauge starts flashing at 135 miles which is not a lot. I have learned to live with it but you can’t afford to miss a fuel stop
@@Grahamvfr 135 mile limit I find but then I may be going a little heavy with the throttle
@@Willsey Yes, I hear various ranges from the tank, no doubt the right hand has a big say in it haha 👍👍
I almost bought a white one, but it was a bit rough, and I wanted it for the 2022 tt trip with only a month to spare. I was looking at both the vfr1200 and the crosstourer. I opted for the later, things that influenced me were hard luggage, shaft drive and the v4. I fell in love with my vfr750rc36 after bringing it back from the dead and wanted another v4. One question Graham, have you serviced the forks? I know you changed the rear shock.
Nice one Trevor. I haven't done front forks,and many have advised I should. Think I'll put it on my winter service list 😊👍
@Grahamvfr Good idea, I think they'd benefit from fresh oil. 🙂
my suzuki bandit 90hp kitty says thats a 170hp devil waiting to be unleashed
@@fidelcatsro6948 And unleashed it often is!!! Cheers 👍
I'm torn between a VFR1200f and a VFR800. I feel like I would like to have the experience of owning a VFR800 for the handling and feel of the bike. But I often ride 2 up and so I'm leaning towards the VFR1200f. I'm curious about the VFR1200X too but don't want to trade in 40-50 HP for the X. I'd like to fancy myself doing loads of touring but I more likely will do weekend rides and an occasional trip of a couple hundred or so miles one way. What do you think? I currently have an old 86 Magna 700c and love the engine.
Thanks for your interest. I love the smaller vfrs, but the sheer grunt of the 1200 is addictive, plus the shaft and it does handle sweetly.
With regards to the 1200x , believe me you won't miss the reduced bhp because the torque levels remain, and even though I still push on I'm rarely over 7k, which on the vfrv12 is around 130 bhp.
Top heaviness of the X is obviously to be taken into account.
If you are happy with a sporty riding position the vfr12f will suit fine. Let me know 👍
I had a 750 for a few years. You don’t need any more power for fully loaded two up touring. You can jump on a VFR and just go sports touring in Europe in comfort and confidence.
I test rode a VFR1200-DCT a few years ago, I found it to be the most underwhelming machine I had ever ridden. Totally unsuited to the DCT gearbox.
EDIT: I eventually settled on a Hayabusa which I found excellent....until I tried a Kawasaki ZZR1400 which is so so comfortable. Indeed the ZZR1400 is a better motorcycle than the 'Busa in every way. 2 years on and I still love the big Kwak.
Yes I understand different opinions it's a grower and I've mentioned on a few videos that first impression can mislead..Busa and zzr are fantastic bikes, but playing a totally different game. Which is more like the blackbird genre. Thank you for your input 👍
Graham, i would not recommend you swap for DCT model. You would not be impressed. I am a DCT fan and I can say that Honda made a big mistake launching DCT with this engine. Two mides Drive and Sport. Drive has you in 6th gear 2.5k revs just where the engine is weakest. Sports mode is like a rocket and the bike will not let you shift higher than 4th unless you are doing 70mph. I have bought a footshifter to put on mine so that I can drive in manual mode more often. That might suit you if you go down DCT route.
I disagree. The DCT gearbox is superb and makes the bike in my opinion. I use the manual option only using the paddle shifts, like up/down quick shifters - absolutely brilliant. Goes like you no what off a shovel, can engine brake or change up mid corner and the bike is absolutely planted. Great for pillions too with no gearchange shunt as with normal gearbox. Doesn't stall and brings a grin to my face every time, I have it 8 years now and have had all cc variations of the VFR before it, as well as other bikes of course. Superb bike. I dont know whats out there to replace it with so I haven't.
@@kevinf876 don't get me wrong, I took think it is a great bike with DCT. But for Graeme as an experienced rider I see no point in him switching to a DCT variant. Graeme can come to Scotland and try mine.
Thank you Brian always appreciate your input . Feedback I get is 50/50 , but with almost everyone agreeing as you say, that normal mode changes far too early (engine is not a it's best lugging). It's only a thought in the back of my mind at this stage and i am naturally a curious person so a wrong decision to me is just another experience, if I didn't like it, I'd just sell it I suppose.
I take your valid point about the gear lever 👍. I guy in my road has a Gold wing dct and nc750, which as you know work well with dct. Ps in the late 90 I had a Saab turbo 900 sensonic, full manual, auto clutch..was quirky but unloved by most.
@@kevinf876 Thank you for input Kevin, as I replied to Brian, it doesn't matter to me if one is better than the other, im all for trying different things. But at moment it's just a thought. Thanks for watching.
@@Grahamvfr your welcome to come to Scotland and have a go on mine. Passed its MOT yesterday 😀
Sorry Graham I must say my red one looks better than the blue 😂😂😂😂
Nah, it's just the smog affecting your vision hahaha.
Mine is red as well, but would not have mind a blue one. The 2 best colors for this bike!
White is also amazing
The Bronze one was a stunner.
@@pl1068you mean black and Bronze ?