TsutomuTomutsu, they did not take evasive action, because all of the weapons were directed at the fore of the ship. So they could merely divert power to the forward shields and hope they hold, instead of moving around and risking taking fire to the port or starboard sides of the ship. If they move then they need to equalize power to all of the sides of the shields, but if they remain in place they can simply divert power to where they know the weapons will hit.
This might seem greedy, but it would be nice to have a ship that just has the power to do everything at once so no need to divert power. A bit like a manual and automatic car XD
@Just me Just me you were so caught up on making him look stupid you forgot basic electronics. They have limited power, and it takes power to move directional shields. In powering their movement (thrusters, inertial dampeners, etc) that's less power for the shields to use to build up on a new side. Not to mention, that's a big as hell ship, and they were very far away, those shots were moving fast. There's no guarantee they could have moved out of the way in time. And before you ask why they don't do all at once, in that scenario, they didn't have time to sit back and watch, ya know? A bad descision now is better than a good descision too late
deadalus had no zpm on it the hive let me explain it this way deadalus energy generation capabilities should be about 10-100 times our current most powerful nuclear plant the zpm however has output comperable to a star quite litterally contains enough energy to destroy a solar system there was no scenario in which deadalus stands a chance against it without zpms
@@andriusas90 that’s not true even without the ZPM Daedalus’s shields are strong enough to tank 4 shots from an ORI warship which is truly saying something considering they were 1 shotting hatak’s
@@cmj0929 It's all a matter of power. The ZPM is a power source unequal in the continuity. The transfer of power to certain systems is limited by the power conduit - imagine pipes pumping water. The Hive drew power from the ZPM for a long time to build up countless layer of extremely dense hull - the Asgard Beam weapons need time to pierce through that. I'd assume with enough firepower it is possible - in 'Vegas' the Ancient Outpost on Earth was able to have a strong enough yield to do just that (hence why Atlantis should've obliterated the Hive as well, given their drone weapons should be just as powerful as the Outpost one's, but that's a different discussion). So, the power conduits on the Hive don't need to power shields. They only need to power weapons. And not all weapons are in the same place, so you can have multiple conduits pumping power into different weapons at the same time, each condensing the power into one extremely powerful burst of energy, focused on one section of the shields. The Deadalus was not ZPM powered, so with those short intervals between shots, it could not compensate for that loss in shield power and the shields overloaded. The Ori ship is different. Their ships have shields. Shields are powered by one, or multiple generators connected to the power core. The power core needs to reinforce the shields when they're hit, as well as power the weapons. The Ori have one main weapon on their ships - and if that is fired, so was mentioned in S10E01, the shields are fluctuating, possibly losing power. The Asgard Beams use a somewhat similar method as the Superhives Plasma weapons, in that they attack the shield at one particular section, with all their power. That way they can pierce that section, if hit multiple times - the power core of the Ori ship can't compensate for that weapons fire. As for the Ori warships weapon versus a Deadalus-class ship: The intervall between shots is very high. If the shields can withstand the initial blast, they can reload and draw more power from the ships power reserves. Odysseys ZPM in The Ark of Truth proves just that, when the ship was able to withstand countless blasts. At the end, either the ZPM was depleted or the power conduits or shield emitters overloaded. The fact that they didn't move or shoot their weapons probably helped in sustaining the shields that long, as the power conduits were solely needed to move power from the ZPM to the shields. The fact that the Asgard Beam weapons were more effective against the Ori than the Wraith actually makes sense, in that they were specifically designed to do so by the Asgard. That's also why they held up that well against the Asurans, since they used similar tech (in principle) as the Ori. I would assume, that a sufficient amount of Asgard Beams pointed at the same shield coordinates could even breach Atlantis' city shield - because again, it is not a matter of raw power, because of how the power is getting to where it needs to be. The pipes can only pump a limited amount of water to it's destination at a time. That's why there is less water coming out of your tap in the kitchen, as opposed to the one at your bathtub.
This is like in anime version of two shonen fighters were the protag is really skilled but the bad guy in his desperation pops some power-boosting wonder drug they've been secretly working on.
Well, I can give a plausible reason. Asgard Beam weapons are very powerful but also very power draining. So its possible that they draw most of their propulsion power to their weapons instead to ensure maximum damage but as you can see it didn't do much. Thus when the Wraith fired back they were still getting their propulsion engines back to full speed.
Asgard weapon that rekts Ori ship with a couple of hits = No damage. Barrage of Ancient drones that obliterate a system lord fleet : About even match A nuke inside the ship = Rekts the ship. Conclusion : Good ol’ H-bomb be our lord abd savior
@@victorselve8349 I believe it was one of their Mark IX 'Gate Buster' nukes that use Naquadria. And considering the Super-Hive had a Stargate on-board too which would have enhanced the explosion. I'm actually surprised how small the explosion was xD
@@AuntySocialQueen I mean, if you look at the scene that gives a bird's eye view closely that thing is comparable to three Atlantis cityships in a line (if not four) that was a massive explosion what I don't know is how nobody on earth noticed it, even if it was dark the superhive would have blocked out a tonne of stars
"Sir, that shot did absolutely nothing, should we fire again and start taking evasive manoeuvres?" "No, that's just what they'll be expecting us to do."
@Nero X Have to agree. The last few episodes had some of the worst writing in the history of the show. When they cooperated with the Wraith back in season 2 the Deadalus was dashing around the battlefield, using her superior drives to flank the enemy hive. When either Carter or Landry were in command of 304-class ships, 4-5 energy beams in rapid succession were standard tactics. Now we got one... "Beam them out already!" "We can't get a lock, sir. The hive seems to be actively interferring with the asgard scanners!" (after all, why not? Normal hives can block transports INTO thier ships, why wouldn't the superhive be able to jam ALL transports in the vicinity? Just again powering up a well known feature.) "Damn. Hold position to cover the jumper. Fire all asgard batteries at full power! Upload target pattern into the missile battery and fire nukes the moment they are locked on! Aim all railguns at their weapon emplacements and rapid fire!" *proceeds to burry the superhive in a salvo of plasma beams, nucleat detonations, and railgun slugs* "They're hit. High confidence that we've taken out several of their offensive batteries! Wait.... Sensors indicate a new power buildup!" *Superhive proceeds to fire its remaining battery into the Deadalus by surprise, severely cripping its Asgard weapons, before retreating* Later, briefing in Atlantis: "That was close. We hit them with all we had, and it still came out to barely more than a draw. I do NOT want to see what this thing is capable off when its upgrades are finished." There, easy as that. The superhive would've been a much more serious threat if the Deadalus had seriously unleashed all it could offer, and STILL failed to destroy it. Instead..... we got one pathetic shot.
@@McKay1108 Well, they kind of had to rush to conclude the main story arcs after the news that it was the last season, so that didn't help the writing. And I think they were also running into issues with the amount if budget they had for the special effects, which might explain why we don't see Daedalus fire everything, trying to save money for the big finale of taking Atlantis to Earth to fight.
"Our greatest enemy has been beaten, one more salvo and they'll be gone! Hmm, let's not finish them off and immediately jump to some planet we just detected. Who knows, the planet might run away if just take the ten seconds to finally get rid of our opponents" SGA writing really went down the poop chute in its final season.
This is not the first time though that happened. Same thing was in uhh....end of season 2 I believe? When they allied with Michael and than they broke the alliance,2 hives were happily shooting the Daedalus shields almost gone than they decided to "ehhh see ya later". For the same planet. They reaaaaly wanted to go to Earth lol.
Right at this point the Wraith got a signal from another universe which had coordinates of earth and would have been lost if the had not taken action immediately. Also why continuing to fire at the daedalus if you can simply go to earth and await the ship their and destroy it
There might also be a different problem: Nuclear Missiles were not effective in the past due to the presence of Darts to intercept those missiles. Here, the ship was probably already preparing to jump to hyperspace, on a lone mission to another Galaxy, far away from any resupply of Darts. So releasing the Darts to intercept any missiles was not an option. Staying there would've been a risk at the moment - while the Deadalus was not of any risk to them in the long run. So aborting the fight and going to hyperspace was the reasonable choice here.
You know, the Daedalus-class of warships were made out to be these agile, small ships compared to others in the series, with relatively powerful weapons and ships which made it able to punch above its weightclass. But we rarely see the ship use that small and agile-advantage. It often just stays perfectly still, exchanging fire with hive ships. When they got the asgard-beam weapons, you could argue that they no longer needed to dodge anything any longer... But imagine in this scenario, if the Daedalus flew in close to the superhive, so it couldn't use its main batteries, and shot it with successive beam-attacks at critical spots. I think that would have made it a lot more effective
@@Vilfy The Asgard weapons were specifically designed to kill Ori motherships. Maybe they don't need them at full power to destroy the motherships thus leaving enough power to operate the engines.
Those plasma cannons can take out Ori ships, but the Wraith ship just shrugs them off. That is pretty much the problem with the space battles in this show, they are all one-sided curb stomps.
Schwarzer Ritter this wraith ship was twice as larg as a normal its hull was three times as dence even drones did little to no damege in anther ep they showed that a normal hive could be destroyed with 3 hots from beam weapons this hive in the vid was powered by a zpm hence why it was much bigger and far more powerfull then anything they had come across
An ordinary hiveship would be destroyed by just three hits from the plasma beams but this hive was different its hull was much denser meaning the plasma dissipated on its armor too quickly to do any damage. As for the plasma taking out Ori ships that's actually due to a common weakness in Stargate shield technology, its good against the relatively blunt, concussive impacts of bolts but the focused piercing impact of a beam soon overloads them and with Ori ships they're very much glass cannons. Once their shields are down destroying them is easy.
Plus, it sounds a bit like an Ori beam weapon. Probably because the Asgard analyzed the Ori weapon and made their own version of it which was then installed on the Tauri '304s.
Why are the counsels in the command center practically exploding when the shields are still up? Are they designed to spark when they are being shot at? Shouldn't the job of the shield be to make sure stuff on the inside doesn't blow up?
This may not be an in universe thing but my thinking is, the bridge is the hub of everything including power systems. The shields are tied into all the power systems so they are more resilient however that means when they receive energy they have to dissipate it which is not usually a problem against the Goa'uld or normal hive ships. However, the power of multiple ZPMs make the wraith weapons more powerful meaning the shields have to dissipate more energy. With all this energy that is being sent through the wires or something similar they are going to get very hot and therefore may spark because the heat has broken the insulator and so very big sparks.
Astrotrain12 shields work by taking the energy of the weapon and distributing it around the ship the stronger the attack the more energy being distributed and eventually it will overflow
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Because that Hive ship has a ZPM, it's weapons are more powerful, regenerative abilities are stronger, hyperdrive is more efficient and the ship itself is faster. The Asgard shields are strong, but like any other shields, can only take so much damage before they start to weaken and eventually fail completely. The Daedlus should have kept firing their beam weapons after the first hit, they were so used to destroying Hive Ships with one or two shots.
all that would have done is made them use up more power which would have resulted in shields failing earlier and the ship being destroyed in the first salvo.
I really hated this episode, only watched it the once. Our weapons were nerfed, a girlfriend was pulled out of thin air, pegasus was all but abandoned. Really really stupid.
I believe they were following the novels because in the novels they did the same thing, they needed to get to that superhive and destroy because nothing we have over there on earth would be able to stop it not even the other races. Plus if they were to continue with the series and follow the novels like I think they were then shepard and crew would have flown atlantis back to Pegasus galaxy which is what happened in the novels to face off against a new Wraith Queen that has united all of the Wraith and the new Wraith Queen would have been called Death
Wow, that has got to be the *worst-written* ship battle I've ever seen. Super-powerful Asgard beam weapon: Fire it only once. Just checking if it still worked. Volley of many slow-moving energy pulses: Sit completely still. Eat. Every. Single. Hit. Oh wait, we're allowed to avoid them? Bridge consoles explode, fires start: Aha, our Star Trek-designed systems are working perfectly! Shields on Daedalus down: Wraith superhive, with *no damage* jumps to FTL. Nah, destroying them now would be too easy. Maybe next time.
@Nero X Yep. People forget Stargate usually has a reason for everything. It was only after the jumper was safe that the Daedalus decided to even try evasive maneuvers. Normally the ship is always dancing around it's enemies
They'd gotten used to being able to easily destroy Wraith ships with the Asgard plasma beams as a conventional Hive can be destroyed with as few as three hits from the weapons.
9 seconds for a capital ship to jump out of the way? Sure the 304 is quite agile but not that agile. Also they still had the jumper behind them and that would have definitely been destroyed.
Daedalus first gets mentioned in The Siege (Part 2) as the sister ship to Prometheus (she is _not_ a sister ship but the lead ship of a new class). And her onscreen reveal is in the battle above Lantea in The Siege (Part 3).
Lamest stargate space battle ever. The whole thing is so poorly made. I mean, didn't he say something about hitting it with all they have? So why wait. This isn't chess, you don't take turns firing. And then the battle with darts over area 51? Why did they use just F-302's? The USA has jet fighters and SAMs. Just dreadful.
Which is fine and understandable. But Colonel Assistant Director Skinner there really should have said "evasive maneuvers" because those wraith bolts took tiiimmmmeeeee.
Well, they didn't move out of arrogance. They have the best Asgard shields, and knew they could take a barrage like that from a normal Hive with ease. It was only right before they hit did he fully realise how wrong he was. That is my excuse for this scene anyway. The real answer has already been said, it was the cancellation and the rushed finale.
Prior to this they'd also blocked a shot, with the shields holding. Sure the Hive was firing at a Puddle Jumper but I guess Caldwell had no reason to believe a barrage like that would be enough to really do that much damage. He should have followed through with firing more Beam shots, missiles and even Rail Guns, while using the 304's smaller size to outmanoeuvre what should be a very slow, cumbersome vessel.
This episode always pissed me offf, for one thing more power does not give the wrath impenetrable shields and secondly the wrath shots do track so why the heck did Daedalus stay still to take the hits ?
Wrath ships don't have shields, rather they use incredibly dense armor to survive enemy fire. The thing is, the ships are so heavy that they would tear themselves to pieces under their own inertia if they tried to move without inertial dampeners. So rather than maintaining shields, wraith ships expend an enormous amount of energy just to keep the ship from tearing itself apart. The limiting factor to how large and densely armored a wraith ship can get is how much power it has to hold the ship together. ZPMs let the ship get many times heavier before it destroys itself under its own weight. At least, that's the explanation.
Shields in Stargate are described as defusing energy. If the shield is weak,, the energy of the blast bleeds through to the ship. That energy is what cause surges inside and the explosion's of the equipment.
Yes,,,as some people under other videos said. The Daedalus is as strong as the plot requires and of course the people controling the ship are as smart as the plot requires...this is not because they are dumb, this is bad writing
It seems they didn't have enough money for computer graphics of space combat with elements of evasion. It's funny to see how a human cruiser calmly takes on a volley from a Wraith super battleship, without dodging. I was waiting at least for the engines to fail and go into hyperspace, and then exit hyperspace again and attack a vulnerable place again. Absolutely the advantage in speed should have provided two Earthlings ships with at least severe damage to the super battleship.
One of the weakest parts of this show was the spaceship battle scenes. They were all made exactly the same was: they shoot the blasters at each other, and while "shields are holding" there are some weird sparks inside the ship and it's being reported that systems are no longer working, one after another. Then when the battle is over, Sam Carter goes and unplugs and plugs wires in the walls, and this somehow fixes everything. This is almost as lame as when in 3d shooter games, you find a medical kit, use it and it heals all the wounds you've gotten before:)
They were copying Star Trek. The shields going down by percentages thing and the transporters can't penetrate shields thing were also lifted straight from trek.
@@germantrekkie Actually they couldn't as in the Season Five Finale of Stargate SG-1 Heimdall specifically said to Jack O'Neill when O'Neill asked why he hadn't just beamed the captured Thor of Osiris' mothership the following "while my sensors can penetrate the Goa'uld shields my transporter cannot".
@@AndrewJamesWilliams I meant when there own shields were up that you have to get the enemies shields down is logical. In st both your and target shields have to be down
I would've launched an alpha strike with beams and missiles on the dart bay. Sure the hive has a stronger hull, but that was its main weak point all along. Sheppard was able to shoot through it with an AIM-120 from a 302.
They weren't a threat and was very crippled so even if they did catch up again they can destroy them easily (they also didn't want to risk any more damage)
if you watched the episode before the last one. The wraith in the other time line, reached earth, 1 wraith got trapped and tried to send a subspace signal, that got translated to the this reality, and the superhive detected the signal, and went into hyperspace towards earth.
Because the producers of the show didn't want the main characters to die, or else the Wraith would not have been foolish enough to miss such a good chance to destroy their greatest enemy when they are so severely crippled...
***** WRAITH DO not have the ability to use wormholes. The hive with zpm used thier hyperdrive, and it most likely got there as fast as deadalus when it had a zpm powering thier hyperdrive. Furthermore, they did not state how much zpms the hives was using, so it could possibly be more than1 zpm used.
Daedalus doesn't have a ZPM on board at this time. Meaning; all systems needs to wait to recharge power since asgard beam weapons use so much energy. Basically first full power beam drained the ships batteries or capacitors.
The shields were already raised and they didn't take evasive maneuvers immediately when they saw the slow moving projectiles headed their way. I mean, did you watch the scene? They just sat there and wasted their shields eating hits that they could have evaded.
Comment about many SciFi shows and movies... Why is it that a ship can take a hit sufficient to cause sparks in electrical systems and not obliterate the ship, kill its crew, or total its systems? Say you are in a metal box with a computer and monitor reading this. Someone hits the box repeatedly with a cattle prod to the point at which the computer starts arcing and sparking by itself. Ok... why are you alive? You are a lot less able to survive anything which would fry a computer. Why is the computer still functioning? Anyone ever seen a computer function after literally sending out a shower of sparks?
Scifi space battle tactics 101 let every bit of shit hit the fan then if the ship is still atleast what looks like in one piece sort of take evasive action.
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There is a big ship PLAY DEAD OOO SHIT THEY SEEN US THATS OK WE GOT SHIELDS O SHIT WE LOST SHIELDS FROM ONE ATTACK QUICK EVASIVE MANUVOURS NOW 🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤭🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
When you see incoming fire, brace for impact, then wait until you lose shields and weapons, and finally take evasive action. Brilliant tactics!
TsutomuTomutsu, they did not take evasive action, because all of the weapons were directed at the fore of the ship. So they could merely divert power to the forward shields and hope they hold, instead of moving around and risking taking fire to the port or starboard sides of the ship. If they move then they need to equalize power to all of the sides of the shields, but if they remain in place they can simply divert power to where they know the weapons will hit.
This might seem greedy, but it would be nice to have a ship that just has the power to do everything at once so no need to divert power. A bit like a manual and automatic car XD
A simple thrust-er would work. Strafe to starboard
@Just me Just me you were so caught up on making him look stupid you forgot basic electronics. They have limited power, and it takes power to move directional shields. In powering their movement (thrusters, inertial dampeners, etc) that's less power for the shields to use to build up on a new side.
Not to mention, that's a big as hell ship, and they were very far away, those shots were moving fast. There's no guarantee they could have moved out of the way in time. And before you ask why they don't do all at once, in that scenario, they didn't have time to sit back and watch, ya know? A bad descision now is better than a good descision too late
That’s writers for ya
Who would win:
- a ship equipped with technology powerful enough to destroy Ori ships and whistand a CME, or
- some thicc boi overdosing on ZPMs
deadalus had no zpm on it the hive let me explain it this way deadalus energy generation capabilities should be about 10-100 times our current most powerful nuclear plant the zpm however has output comperable to a star quite litterally contains enough energy to destroy a solar system there was no scenario in which deadalus stands a chance against it without zpms
@@andriusas90 that’s not true even without the ZPM Daedalus’s shields are strong enough to tank 4 shots from an ORI warship which is truly saying something considering they were 1 shotting hatak’s
@@cmj0929 It's all a matter of power.
The ZPM is a power source unequal in the continuity. The transfer of power to certain systems is limited by the power conduit - imagine pipes pumping water. The Hive drew power from the ZPM for a long time to build up countless layer of extremely dense hull - the Asgard Beam weapons need time to pierce through that. I'd assume with enough firepower it is possible - in 'Vegas' the Ancient Outpost on Earth was able to have a strong enough yield to do just that (hence why Atlantis should've obliterated the Hive as well, given their drone weapons should be just as powerful as the Outpost one's, but that's a different discussion).
So, the power conduits on the Hive don't need to power shields. They only need to power weapons. And not all weapons are in the same place, so you can have multiple conduits pumping power into different weapons at the same time, each condensing the power into one extremely powerful burst of energy, focused on one section of the shields. The Deadalus was not ZPM powered, so with those short intervals between shots, it could not compensate for that loss in shield power and the shields overloaded.
The Ori ship is different. Their ships have shields. Shields are powered by one, or multiple generators connected to the power core. The power core needs to reinforce the shields when they're hit, as well as power the weapons. The Ori have one main weapon on their ships - and if that is fired, so was mentioned in S10E01, the shields are fluctuating, possibly losing power.
The Asgard Beams use a somewhat similar method as the Superhives Plasma weapons, in that they attack the shield at one particular section, with all their power. That way they can pierce that section, if hit multiple times - the power core of the Ori ship can't compensate for that weapons fire.
As for the Ori warships weapon versus a Deadalus-class ship: The intervall between shots is very high. If the shields can withstand the initial blast, they can reload and draw more power from the ships power reserves. Odysseys ZPM in The Ark of Truth proves just that, when the ship was able to withstand countless blasts. At the end, either the ZPM was depleted or the power conduits or shield emitters overloaded. The fact that they didn't move or shoot their weapons probably helped in sustaining the shields that long, as the power conduits were solely needed to move power from the ZPM to the shields.
The fact that the Asgard Beam weapons were more effective against the Ori than the Wraith actually makes sense, in that they were specifically designed to do so by the Asgard. That's also why they held up that well against the Asurans, since they used similar tech (in principle) as the Ori. I would assume, that a sufficient amount of Asgard Beams pointed at the same shield coordinates could even breach Atlantis' city shield - because again, it is not a matter of raw power, because of how the power is getting to where it needs to be. The pipes can only pump a limited amount of water to it's destination at a time. That's why there is less water coming out of your tap in the kitchen, as opposed to the one at your bathtub.
@@cmj0929 3 shots is all it can take. Not 4. First shot knocks it out. 2nd shot kills shields. 3rd blows up
This is like in anime version of two shonen fighters were the protag is really skilled but the bad guy in his desperation pops some power-boosting wonder drug they've been secretly working on.
BC-304 in other space battles: flies around like a starfighter
Daedalus: Maybe if we stand perfectly still, the Superhive won't see us.
Super hive, “Nice try 0:19”
They were blocking the hive from taking a kill shot on the jumper. If they moved the jumper which has no shields would be killed
"I’ve mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still… that I become invisible to the eye." Drax
For God's sake lets sit there and let that whole line of slow moving fire strike us and then only fire our Asgard beam once. We'll show them.
Agree
Well, I can give a plausible reason.
Asgard Beam weapons are very powerful but also very power draining. So its possible that they draw most of their propulsion power to their weapons instead to ensure maximum damage but as you can see it didn't do much. Thus when the Wraith fired back they were still getting their propulsion engines back to full speed.
you forget how fast energy can move in space, there is no atmosphere and have no mass to slow them down,
And you've forgotten that THEY FIRED IT AND IT DID NO DAMAGE
***** , did you not listen? They put a lot of there power into that one shot.
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well duh!!!!
"Evasive manoeuvres!"
*Rips joystick out of console...*
"Oh." 0:27
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Remember the reason why the Daedalus stood there: they were protecting the Jumper from further weapons fire.
i know they could've done better.
Asgard weapon that rekts Ori ship with a couple of hits = No damage.
Barrage of Ancient drones that obliterate a system lord fleet : About even match
A nuke inside the ship = Rekts the ship.
Conclusion : Good ol’ H-bomb be our lord abd savior
Actually can't remember was it a regular nuke or a naquadria tipped one?
@@victorselve8349 I believe it was one of their Mark IX 'Gate Buster' nukes that use Naquadria.
And considering the Super-Hive had a Stargate on-board too which would have enhanced the explosion. I'm actually surprised how small the explosion was xD
@@AuntySocialQueen I mean, if you look at the scene that gives a bird's eye view closely that thing is comparable to three Atlantis cityships in a line (if not four) that was a massive explosion what I don't know is how nobody on earth noticed it, even if it was dark the superhive would have blocked out a tonne of stars
No matter how advanced you are, you cannot compete with Nuke.
Imagine a tank being shoot at by 7.62 then having a granade explode inside of it, what's more effective.
"Sir, that shot did absolutely nothing, should we fire again and start taking evasive manoeuvres?"
"No, that's just what they'll be expecting us to do."
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Lack of training obviously....
@Nero X Have to agree. The last few episodes had some of the worst writing in the history of the show. When they cooperated with the Wraith back in season 2 the Deadalus was dashing around the battlefield, using her superior drives to flank the enemy hive. When either Carter or Landry were in command of 304-class ships, 4-5 energy beams in rapid succession were standard tactics. Now we got one...
"Beam them out already!"
"We can't get a lock, sir. The hive seems to be actively interferring with the asgard scanners!" (after all, why not? Normal hives can block transports INTO thier ships, why wouldn't the superhive be able to jam ALL transports in the vicinity? Just again powering up a well known feature.)
"Damn. Hold position to cover the jumper. Fire all asgard batteries at full power! Upload target pattern into the missile battery and fire nukes the moment they are locked on! Aim all railguns at their weapon emplacements and rapid fire!"
*proceeds to burry the superhive in a salvo of plasma beams, nucleat detonations, and railgun slugs*
"They're hit. High confidence that we've taken out several of their offensive batteries! Wait.... Sensors indicate a new power buildup!"
*Superhive proceeds to fire its remaining battery into the Deadalus by surprise, severely cripping its Asgard weapons, before retreating*
Later, briefing in Atlantis: "That was close. We hit them with all we had, and it still came out to barely more than a draw. I do NOT want to see what this thing is capable off when its upgrades are finished."
There, easy as that. The superhive would've been a much more serious threat if the Deadalus had seriously unleashed all it could offer, and STILL failed to destroy it. Instead..... we got one pathetic shot.
@@McKay1108 Well, they kind of had to rush to conclude the main story arcs after the news that it was the last season, so that didn't help the writing. And I think they were also running into issues with the amount if budget they had for the special effects, which might explain why we don't see Daedalus fire everything, trying to save money for the big finale of taking Atlantis to Earth to fight.
"Our greatest enemy has been beaten, one more salvo and they'll be gone! Hmm, let's not finish them off and immediately jump to some planet we just detected. Who knows, the planet might run away if just take the ten seconds to finally get rid of our opponents"
SGA writing really went down the poop chute in its final season.
This is not the first time though that happened. Same thing was in uhh....end of season 2 I believe? When they allied with Michael and than they broke the alliance,2 hives were happily shooting the Daedalus shields almost gone than they decided to "ehhh see ya later".
For the same planet. They reaaaaly wanted to go to Earth lol.
IIRC the superhive was still growing and was not yet capable of a sustained engagement.
Right at this point the Wraith got a signal from another universe which had coordinates of earth and would have been lost if the had not taken action immediately. Also why continuing to fire at the daedalus if you can simply go to earth and await the ship their and destroy it
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There might also be a different problem: Nuclear Missiles were not effective in the past due to the presence of Darts to intercept those missiles. Here, the ship was probably already preparing to jump to hyperspace, on a lone mission to another Galaxy, far away from any resupply of Darts. So releasing the Darts to intercept any missiles was not an option. Staying there would've been a risk at the moment - while the Deadalus was not of any risk to them in the long run. So aborting the fight and going to hyperspace was the reasonable choice here.
Skinner finally got some proof
You know, the Daedalus-class of warships were made out to be these agile, small ships compared to others in the series, with relatively powerful weapons and ships which made it able to punch above its weightclass.
But we rarely see the ship use that small and agile-advantage. It often just stays perfectly still, exchanging fire with hive ships. When they got the asgard-beam weapons, you could argue that they no longer needed to dodge anything any longer...
But imagine in this scenario, if the Daedalus flew in close to the superhive, so it couldn't use its main batteries, and shot it with successive beam-attacks at critical spots. I think that would have made it a lot more effective
The more power you divert to engines, the less you have for weapons.
Well versus the Ori motherships they still moved. Dunno why they completely ignored that agility versus Hive's
@@Vilfy The Asgard weapons were specifically designed to kill Ori motherships. Maybe they don't need them at full power to destroy the motherships thus leaving enough power to operate the engines.
It was staying still because it had to project the Jumper
Those plasma cannons can take out Ori ships, but the Wraith ship just shrugs them off.
That is pretty much the problem with the space battles in this show, they are all one-sided curb stomps.
Schwarzer Ritter this wraith ship was twice as larg as a normal its hull was three times as dence even drones did little to no damege in anther ep they showed that a normal hive could be destroyed with 3 hots from beam weapons this hive in the vid was powered by a zpm hence why it was much bigger and far more powerfull then anything they had come across
An ordinary hiveship would be destroyed by just three hits from the plasma beams but this hive was different its hull was much denser meaning the plasma dissipated on its armor too quickly to do any damage. As for the plasma taking out Ori ships that's actually due to a common weakness in Stargate shield technology, its good against the relatively blunt, concussive impacts of bolts but the focused piercing impact of a beam soon overloads them and with Ori ships they're very much glass cannons. Once their shields are down destroying them is easy.
It seems reasonable to think that Asgard weaponry was much better suited to destroying shields and not armor.
well, hive had to survive, because so they can do the final battle with Atlantis so.
These are uruk ships, their shields are broad and armor thick
0:06 this is the coolest Laser-Firing Sound of all SciFi's. Way better than this pew pew from Star Trek Discovery. You can hear and feel the power
Plus, it sounds a bit like an Ori beam weapon. Probably because the Asgard analyzed the Ori weapon and made their own version of it which was then installed on the Tauri '304s.
Why are the counsels in the command center practically exploding when the shields are still up? Are they designed to spark when they are being shot at? Shouldn't the job of the shield be to make sure stuff on the inside doesn't blow up?
This may not be an in universe thing but my thinking is, the bridge is the hub of everything including power systems. The shields are tied into all the power systems so they are more resilient however that means when they receive energy they have to dissipate it which is not usually a problem against the Goa'uld or normal hive ships. However, the power of multiple ZPMs make the wraith weapons more powerful meaning the shields have to dissipate more energy. With all this energy that is being sent through the wires or something similar they are going to get very hot and therefore may spark because the heat has broken the insulator and so very big sparks.
Possible, but you would think they would have fail safes and redundancy systems to prevent some poor deck hand getting a face full of sparks.
Well the writers have make it dramatic.
Also, I would think this would only happen on the bridge and maybe in engineering because of power flow.
Astrotrain12 shields work by taking the energy of the weapon and distributing it around the ship the stronger the attack the more energy being distributed and eventually it will overflow
Took them till the last episode to show us how wraith hives could possibly fight lantean drones and weaken a ZPM powered ship or city
Just sit there and don't move lol
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It's a very masculine thing to do to take it like a man instead of running away
@Nero X wouldnt the hive ship ignore the shuttle until the deadalus was destroyed?
Because that Hive ship has a ZPM, it's weapons are more powerful, regenerative abilities are stronger, hyperdrive is more efficient and the ship itself is faster. The Asgard shields are strong, but like any other shields, can only take so much damage before they start to weaken and eventually fail completely. The Daedlus should have kept firing their beam weapons after the first hit, they were so used to destroying Hive Ships with one or two shots.
all that would have done is made them use up more power which would have resulted in shields failing earlier and the ship being destroyed in the first salvo.
@@99Plastics Oh.
ZPM strong enough to destroy a solar system
I really hated this episode, only watched it the once. Our weapons were nerfed, a girlfriend was pulled out of thin air, pegasus was all but abandoned. Really really stupid.
I believe they were following the novels because in the novels they did the same thing, they needed to get to that superhive and destroy because nothing we have over there on earth would be able to stop it not even the other races. Plus if they were to continue with the series and follow the novels like I think they were then shepard and crew would have flown atlantis back to Pegasus galaxy which is what happened in the novels to face off against a new Wraith Queen that has united all of the Wraith and the new Wraith Queen would have been called Death
that episode was pure bullshit
DavisonIncorp okay i remeber the rest but what do you mean by girlfriend being pulled out of air?
The kickboxing technician that Ronan just ends up with on the balcony of Atlantis.
Impressive military tactic !
The sitting duck maneuver !
Lets just have our comparatively fast moving ship sit there and trade blows with their slow firing super guns.
Wow, that has got to be the *worst-written* ship battle I've ever seen.
Super-powerful Asgard beam weapon: Fire it only once. Just checking if it still worked.
Volley of many slow-moving energy pulses: Sit completely still. Eat. Every. Single. Hit. Oh wait, we're allowed to avoid them?
Bridge consoles explode, fires start: Aha, our Star Trek-designed systems are working perfectly!
Shields on Daedalus down: Wraith superhive, with *no damage* jumps to FTL. Nah, destroying them now would be too easy. Maybe next time.
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@Nero X Yep. People forget Stargate usually has a reason for everything. It was only after the jumper was safe that the Daedalus decided to even try evasive maneuvers. Normally the ship is always dancing around it's enemies
they were too cocky. They could have easily done more damage if they were more mobile, used nukes and targeted dart bays
They'd gotten used to being able to easily destroy Wraith ships with the Asgard plasma beams as a conventional Hive can be destroyed with as few as three hits from the weapons.
Why are they just standing there ? They could avoid most of the weapon fire...
9 seconds for a capital ship to jump out of the way?
Sure the 304 is quite agile but not that agile.
Also they still had the jumper behind them and that would have definitely been destroyed.
Why they didn't circle around back and blow out there propulsion system. ZPM or not that wouldve done the job
I've always wondered what these shields are really for since shit is always blowing up inside of them regardless of remaining integrity.
If the Asgard weapons were this ineffective, how did they survive at all?
Detonated a nuke inside the super hive.
Kept all the good sh*t for themselves.
Does anyone out there have the scene where the Daedalus is first revealed and launched?
There is none...first we see Deadalus is in the 2nd season of SGA (The siege part 3)
Daedalus first gets mentioned in The Siege (Part 2) as the sister ship to Prometheus (she is _not_ a sister ship but the lead ship of a new class). And her onscreen reveal is in the battle above Lantea in The Siege (Part 3).
Lamest stargate space battle ever. The whole thing is so poorly made. I mean, didn't he say something about hitting it with all they have? So why wait. This isn't chess, you don't take turns firing. And then the battle with darts over area 51? Why did they use just F-302's? The USA has jet fighters and SAMs. Just dreadful.
i believe it was the cancellation, they basically hurried up the episode to be done.
Which is fine and understandable. But Colonel Assistant Director Skinner there really should have said "evasive maneuvers" because those wraith bolts took tiiimmmmeeeee.
He was still uncomfortable changing his office chair for the commanders chair on the Daedalus.
Well, they didn't move out of arrogance. They have the best Asgard shields, and knew they could take a barrage like that from a normal Hive with ease. It was only right before they hit did he fully realise how wrong he was.
That is my excuse for this scene anyway. The real answer has already been said, it was the cancellation and the rushed finale.
Prior to this they'd also blocked a shot, with the shields holding.
Sure the Hive was firing at a Puddle Jumper but I guess Caldwell had no reason to believe a barrage like that would be enough to really do that much damage.
He should have followed through with firing more Beam shots, missiles and even Rail Guns, while using the 304's smaller size to outmanoeuvre what should be a very slow, cumbersome vessel.
Incoming fire yep stay right where you are then move good old si fi tv law lol
This episode always pissed me offf, for one thing more power does not give the wrath impenetrable shields and secondly the wrath shots do track so why the heck did Daedalus stay still to take the hits ?
Wrath ships don't have shields, rather they use incredibly dense armor to survive enemy fire. The thing is, the ships are so heavy that they would tear themselves to pieces under their own inertia if they tried to move without inertial dampeners. So rather than maintaining shields, wraith ships expend an enormous amount of energy just to keep the ship from tearing itself apart.
The limiting factor to how large and densely armored a wraith ship can get is how much power it has to hold the ship together. ZPMs let the ship get many times heavier before it destroys itself under its own weight. At least, that's the explanation.
Ah yes, exploding computers when shields get hit, are the insides literally made with nitro or something?
Shields in Stargate are described as defusing energy. If the shield is weak,, the energy of the blast bleeds through to the ship. That energy is what cause surges inside and the explosion's of the equipment.
Yes,,,as some people under other videos said. The Daedalus is as strong as the plot requires and of course the people controling the ship are as smart as the plot requires...this is not because they are dumb, this is bad writing
Idk why there wasn’t any attempt to evade. Might as well just enter a hive cannon.
Why not take evasive maneuvers before you get hit the first time
@Nero X are you telling me that the hive ship would have ignored the deadalus if it was positioned anywhere else in proximity?
Those weapons took 3 business days to hit them
It seems they didn't have enough money for computer graphics of space combat with elements of evasion. It's funny to see how a human cruiser calmly takes on a volley from a Wraith super battleship, without dodging. I was waiting at least for the engines to fail and go into hyperspace, and then exit hyperspace again and attack a vulnerable place again. Absolutely the advantage in speed should have provided two Earthlings ships with at least severe damage to the super battleship.
It was tanking hits to protect Sheppard's jumper iirc
Ran from the plot armour.
One of the weakest parts of this show was the spaceship battle scenes. They were all made exactly the same was: they shoot the blasters at each other, and while "shields are holding" there are some weird sparks inside the ship and it's being reported that systems are no longer working, one after another. Then when the battle is over, Sam Carter goes and unplugs and plugs wires in the walls, and this somehow fixes everything. This is almost as lame as when in 3d shooter games, you find a medical kit, use it and it heals all the wounds you've gotten before:)
They were copying Star Trek. The shields going down by percentages thing and the transporters can't penetrate shields thing were also lifted straight from trek.
Dont forget, "we dont have enough power!"
That one line was repeated way too many times throughout the series
@@AndrewJamesWilliams asgard transporters were capable of beaming through shields
@@germantrekkie Actually they couldn't as in the Season Five Finale of Stargate SG-1 Heimdall specifically said to Jack O'Neill when O'Neill asked why he hadn't just beamed the captured Thor of Osiris' mothership the following "while my sensors can penetrate the Goa'uld shields my transporter cannot".
@@AndrewJamesWilliams I meant when there own shields were up that you have to get the enemies shields down is logical. In st both your and target shields have to be down
I would've launched an alpha strike with beams and missiles on the dart bay. Sure the hive has a stronger hull, but that was its main weak point all along. Sheppard was able to shoot through it with an AIM-120 from a 302.
Well, your solution requires that you'd be supossed to win. Daedalus wasn't.
@@95DarkFire Damn plot armor.
Piccolo would like a word with daedalus crew, LOL.
Why did the Wraith leave
They weren't a threat and was very crippled so even if they did catch up again they can destroy them easily (they also didn't want to risk any more damage)
if you watched the episode before the last one. The wraith in the other time line, reached earth, 1 wraith got trapped and tried to send a subspace signal, that got translated to the this reality, and the superhive detected the signal, and went into hyperspace towards earth.
Because the producers of the show didn't want the main characters to die, or else the Wraith would not have been foolish enough to miss such a good chance to destroy their greatest enemy when they are so severely crippled...
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WRAITH DO not have the ability to use wormholes. The hive with zpm used thier hyperdrive, and it most likely got there as fast as deadalus when it had a zpm powering thier hyperdrive. Furthermore, they did not state how much zpms the hives was using, so it could possibly be more than1 zpm used.
why would they destroy their food?
Only way the Daedalus could have won would have been if it also had a ZPM.
Is it me or do the wraith ships look like giant ticks?
Daedalus doesn't have a ZPM on board at this time. Meaning; all systems needs to wait to recharge power since asgard beam weapons use so much energy. Basically first full power beam drained the ships batteries or capacitors.
space combat in this show makes no goddamn sense😂😂
But I still love it!
@@inquerion8867 yeah its oght tho
Wraith are pirates of the galaxy their ships are set up like 18th century sailing ships
Raising the Shields and then evasion maneuvers was the right thing to do. Chat thinks they are strategy masters but just appear tarded.
The shields were already raised and they didn't take evasive maneuvers immediately when they saw the slow moving projectiles headed their way. I mean, did you watch the scene? They just sat there and wasted their shields eating hits that they could have evaded.
@@ShimrraJamaane They were protecting Sheppard's Jumper.
@@zero_chevalier I’d have to rewatch the scene, but I don’t think they were stuck there in the path of all of those shots for so long.
not Caldwells finest hour.
Brace for impa...wait, no! List lazily to the left!
Comment about many SciFi shows and movies... Why is it that a ship can take a hit sufficient to cause sparks in electrical systems and not obliterate the ship, kill its crew, or total its systems?
Say you are in a metal box with a computer and monitor reading this. Someone hits the box repeatedly with a cattle prod to the point at which the computer starts arcing and sparking by itself. Ok... why are you alive? You are a lot less able to survive anything which would fry a computer. Why is the computer still functioning? Anyone ever seen a computer function after literally sending out a shower of sparks?
These are star trek tactics. Shoot once then wait lol
This ship was built by star fleet.
he has to be the worst strategic commander there is. The ship is standing still saying here fire at me.
Lets just sit in one place so they can hit us
Scifi space battle tactics 101 let every bit of shit hit the fan then if the ship is still atleast what looks like in one piece sort of take evasive action.
Just a thought move the ship out of the way.
Brace for impact. Just move the dam ship out of the way. Duh
Is this Atlantis
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Divide to mirror s......side by side..........
If FLIP-FLOPS....... switch is convenient......
Then instead of rotation 360°........, advance design is switching LEFT-RIGHT......just only ONE POSITION.....back and forth...... mirror options.....??????....... result switching TIME is much FASTER THAN the 360° full rotation....?????....
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He was the worst CO on the series. Not smart in battle tactics
There is a big ship PLAY DEAD
OOO SHIT THEY SEEN US
THATS OK WE GOT SHIELDS
O SHIT WE LOST SHIELDS FROM ONE ATTACK
QUICK EVASIVE MANUVOURS NOW
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brilliant plan... shoot once then sit there and let the enemy arm it's weapons so it can take you out !!
I hate it when they don't list what episode the scene was from.
last episode of the series can't remember the title
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