Is Buyside Out of School the Best Path?
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Although most people have to wait a few years before they can enter the buyside, the most elite candidates at the most finance oriented programs can sometimes break in out of school. There are a handful of top private equity firms and hedge funds that will each hire a few analysts every year, but does that mean you should definitely take their offer?
Being a buyside analyst puts you on the fast track and you'll get paid more, but it can be intimidating if you aren't technically prepared. These firms typically have a lower tolerance for mistakes and there's less training infrastructure. You might also miss out on broader recruiting opportunities that are only available to bankers and consultants.
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Typical Buyside Path
2:19 - Firms that Target Students
3:28 - Pros of Buyside Out of School
4:30 - Cons of Buyside Out of School
6:45 - Conclusion
Peak Frameworks is a business career prep service started by Matt Ting and Patrick Fong, who have each spent several years working in investment banking and private equity in New York and Silicon Valley. Matt and Patrick met at Evercore, a top tier investment bank, and over the years have tutored and coached dozens of candidates to land their dream business job.
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You should do a video on lateraling. I think it’s a topic people avoid talking about but a lot are interested in it.
This is an awesome suggestion, we'll add this to the top of the list and try to get something soon!
Damn this video was still accurate to the most recent recruiting cycle. Crazy how good your info is man.
Love your videos definitely will be using your service to help me get into investment banking and private equity
Could you make a video of a day in the life when you were in IB, and compare that to a day in the life of being in PE?
Really good suggestion, we'll add this to the list!
@@PeakFrameworks Great idea!
Can you do a video on the required skills & techniques you must know for IB interviews?
Sounds good, we'll add it to the list!
Could you please cover Canadian S&T scopes in one of your next videos!!
Maybe you're already on this, but could you also do a video on associate-level recruiting and career paths on-wards?
Thanks for the suggestion! Will add that to the list. We've been focusing on analyst stuff a lot lately because they're starting now, but think it's important to get to associates too at some point!
Awesome video! I'm going to be starting college as a freshman at a target and was wondering if you had any more tips on what I can do to maximize my chances of being one of the few analysts who does break into the buy-side immediately? Thanks!
Be one of the top students at your school, get IB internship in sophomore year, have great finance extra curricular experience
Love your vids!
Can you please make a video on venture capital?
I am currently interviewing with several BBs and I would say middle market PE outfits. Should I just go with IB per the benefits of IB and the cons of PE, that may otherwise be exacerbated at smaller firms, that you lay out in the video?
I lean towards BBs, depending on what specific PE firms you're thinking of. If you have a good relationship with the MM PE, I'm sure they'd hire you after you did IB. I would look at where their associates have come from - chances are their credentials might be worse than IB.
I would maybe pick MM PE if you've already summered there and know it's a place you want to be longer term. Or if it's in a really competitive geography that doesn't frequently have new openings.
What are the top hedge fund companies?
Great contents! How large is the disadvantage of non target vs. target for exit opps into MF, assuming both candidates are at a top bank and group?
It's hard to quantify, but the people at the very top target schools at Evercore with otherwise the same resume probably got 1.5-2x as many look as I did. The advantage is even more stark if you're talking about interviews given out on the first day. However, if you're at a top group / firm, you'll still get looks from a few MFs.
One important caveat is that the buyside target schools are going to be different from the banking schools. I found that Harvard, Princeton, Yale have some benefits with firms, but IMO schools like Penn and NYU have too many banking candidates to give much of an edge.
Diversity hiring is also really important for PE firms, probably more important than the school.
@@PeakFrameworks diversity as in what? Schools or race or anything?
@@PeakFrameworks Appreciate the break down, very helpful. What's your take on MF credit offer vs. top BB industry offer for a non-target kid? Given the long term goals is to end up at buy-side skewing toward work-life balance. Really hoping to get your opinion on this, thanks.
To add-on, the concern mainly revolves around difficulties of lateraling from top BB to desirable MF from a non-target. Thought that it'd be easier to lateral between MFs than BB to MF (competing against targets kids on-cycle recruiting.)
Should I move from corporate banking to buy side fixed income analyst? Which has better job security in the long term
I'm not sure, I don't know very many buy side fixed income analysts. Corporate banking is pretty great as it relates to job security though.
What are some of the finance focused schools that you said you would need to attend in order to get into the buy side straight out of college?
I've seen PE analysts from the following schools: Penn, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Cornell, Ivey, Michigan, Notre Dame. I'm sure there are other schools that place onto the buyside, but those are ones where I have specific data points.
Peak Frameworks thank you!
"...if you have the opportunity to do so at a good firm." What is considered a "good firm"? It is hard to decide. Apollo, KKR, Ares, and BX recruited really heavily on campus recruiting this year (and very early). Now there are still a lot of big firms recruiting as well as MM firms.
I personally wouldn't go to a MM firm out of school unless you're pretty confident you want to grow your career there. Just because headhunters probably won't reach out to you as much, you lose the IB training ground, and you don't have as much mobility
Do you consider as non-finance jobs corporate positions in big companies such as CFO, treasurer and the like? Would it hurt your chances of landing such a job, choosing PE over a large IB?
I didn't consider those positions, but that would be the corporate finance path. Tends to be a little more popular later in life (post 30). And nah, you can definitely do it out of PE. Might actually be easier coming from PE vs. IB.
@@PeakFrameworks Thanks a lot!
What's your view on joining a MM PE over a BB/EB out of school?
I personally take BB/EB. Depends a little bit on what you mean by MM, but you're going to get way more looks if you just go straight into banking.
@@PeakFrameworks Thanks for your reply. But I see nearly all the investment professionals have a BB/EB background. Would that change anything?
Please do a video about corporate finance and corporate devolpment salary and career path
OK great, we'll put that on the list!
Random question: What background music are you using for this? So relaxing!
Yo, I pull my background music from Splice. This is the loop I used for this video: splice.com/sounds/samples/50f1b52650f1c3f138b65e01a57968dea45b3afb2a896b711cf86fb9fa2562dc/soul-surplus-lo-fi-hip-hop-jazz-music-rnb-sample
@@PeakFrameworks Thanks! :-)
Nice opportunity to go straight bs out of college. I'm guessing blackstone would be the best shot there.
Blackstone has a big program. KKR, Silver Lake, Point 72, LGP, Ares all consistently take people too.
How do you rate a firm like BlackRock? Not PE or hedge fund, but is a large buyside firm.
I think your career is going to be better served at a traditional PE / hedge fund. BlackRock is viewed much more of an asset manager and for its ETF products vs. being a great, alpha-generating PE or HF. I think comp tends to be a little bit lower because bonus pools are spread across a lot more people.
Still a great place to be, but I would prefer to do IB at most places rather than graduate into BlackRock. You can always go to BlackRock after.
Hey, love the video!! I study at the london school of economics as an economics major how hard do you think it would be for me to get into investment banking in the USA cause im not a citizen of the US/UK
What's your citizenship? Unless you're Canadian / UK / Mexican, it can be tough to land a job without having gone to school in the US. Canada and Mexico are protected as you can get a TN visa (easier than H1B).
@@PeakFrameworks I am Malaysian citizen, do banks sponsor H1B, and how much harder will it be for me compared to the normal applicant. I have a 4.0 and idk about the US but lse is the best for econ in Europe
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