Interesting video. I always wondered about the Genbukan. Training in the Bujinkan I was never told not to train with anyone else. The only exception to that was they highly recommended not training with the Genbukan. Even then it wasn't forbidden, but based upon this seems a solid recommendation
It's not going to make a difference if the bully is not named. And Tanemura Sensei might not know about it. In Japan, they do not like things going public about scandalous individuals in their circles, which means the scandalous individuals might be behaving sycophantic around Tanemura and the Japanese, and an absolute terror stateside. There is also a reason why they say to not train with other ninpo organizations. It is not a red flag whatsoever with the Japanese. Japan does not treat a dojo as transactional places to acquire techniques. That's an American mindset, and they don't have to respond to it, because it's their culture. Even Hatsumi has talked about this, as well as the Japanese Soke in the Bujinkan.
You are doing God's work. They must be dealt with, and what you're doing is praiseworthy. Genbukan is really sort of a sect, they don't own Omote Shuto or any other technique ( as they are far older than 1984 when GWNBF was founded ). Greetings from Croatia and God bless freedom of speech.
Thanks Luis. Just want to relate that the international culture and politics are tough to navigate and I appreciate your quest toward honesty and clarity. Hope to learn more from your channel.
Sorry to hear that. I am learning Genbukan and have not had this experience and sensei also knows that I am learning BJJ. I have not had any bad experience with them. There was no charge for me to watch. I found them structured but quiet regimented and our local instructor is friendly but have repeatedly said they are quiet formal. I think there is a disconnect between western culture and far eastern culture in your approach.
I wasn't implying the entire gbk organization is bad. I apologize if that's how I came across. There are some wonderful sensei still involved in the organization. I was just explaining my experiences and some of their shady (in my opinion) business practices.
Istudied In Genbukan for 9 years, I would not recommend anything but Genbukan to anyone. There are opinions by people but the system of Genbukan is the best. Learn what is there and skip the trash.
You only recommend Genbukan because you only trained Genbukan... Find a Shidokan, Kudo Daido Juku, Seidokan or Ashihara dojo... Learn something useful. I have a 2nd Dan in Genbukan and 1st Kyu in Jinenkan now a 3rd Dan in Shidokan Karate ... Switch it up... Check out Shidokan Triathlon competition... NOT Shotokan.
I had an experience with a Genbukan Instructor over ten years ago. Since I was in an area where there was no Dojo close by, I would have to travel a little to get to one. No problem, that's on me and was willing to try it. When I inquired with the Instructor of the Dojo concerning membership and training, I had the worst experience I've ever had. This organization produces the most arrogant, self-serving, god-complex type individuals I've ever dealt with. The Instructor told me I wouldn't be allowed to enter their Dojo until I had trained with them a minimum of six months, which would count as a "trial period" to make sure I was worthy of permanent membership. This would include that I would have to provide the training facility for their Instructors to teach in at my location. This of course would have to be pre-approved by them via photos and written description of the area before they would even show up. I would also have to incur the travel expense and potential lodging for these individuals if they chose to do a long day of training and was too late to travel back. Provide meals, etc. All out of pocket, not including the training / testing fees. I more or less explained to this individual that if they were a representative of what their organization was about, I wanted no part of it and how conceited they came across ... he tried to explain to me that's how traditional training was handled and again, I told him to loose my email address and good luck. My personal advice ... unless you're just dying to be totally dominated by an organization financially, professionally, and other aspects of your life .... find something else. You'd be much better off.
@@EmpireDojo It was Knoxville, TN. Not sure if the dojo I was communicating with is even still around, but I can tell you that the dojo was about a two and a half hour drive from my location, so it may have been a training group of some sort.
I was treated really bad by one of the highest rank instructors of the Genbukan. I am currently working towards black belt in the Bujikan and it is a WAY better fir for me.
Great work, my friend. I was Genbukan member for 5 years. Didn't learn a shit almost. Almost every technique is on the internet. Now I am a kyokushin fighter. Fuck them. Thanks for the truth.
Could you provide some specific details about how you felt your 5 years could have been improved/how they were damaged compared to other genbukan instruction programs? Can you share a link for a technique, especially one that you heard was "secret?" What's kyokushin and who teaches it in your area? Any instructors in USA? Thank you for helping me gather data and understand.
They didn't want to teach me anything at the beginning, regarding their super secret bullshit. There are no secret techniques, believe me. I came there as a good karateka and kickboxer who wanted to learn more about samurai culture and fighting techniques. I wasted 5 years on that shit, since I trusted in my sensei. 5 years between my 19 to 24 years old, learning almost zero. My sensei was so strict that he putted me doing khime gata for a year. A YEAR. I got full of that crap, and started doing kyokushin. Which believe me, if you are a 5kyu in kyokushin you will kick anybody ass of the Genbukan and related arts, because they don't spar. Genbukan could be one the greatest if the most successful self defense martial if they were more open to changes and modifications to their system. But they will never grow with that mentality. Put any kyoshi ou meiko kaiden against a competitive boxer and you will be surprised how quickly their fantasies fall apart. OSU!
You did an amazing job. Please show them the reality, the techniques will work if they know how to fight. Kind regards from Portugal, and keep going the amazing work!
Aren't you worried that after the Genbukan's attempts to block you fail they will send their minions for a physical attack? Are the students in danger if they do or do they keep attacks to the master?
Like Soki said in 1980s If yull JUST SHUT THE F UP AND TRAIN YUR LIFE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.! The ONLY ONE NEEDING TO BE CONTROLLED IS YU. FIX YURSELF BY LIVING A LIFE OF CONSTANT CONSISTENT TRAINING. DUH.
Cognitive Dissonance: In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the perception of contradictory information. Genbukan "owns" these techniques; no "stealing" techniques, students etc. BUT.... if you leave the organization they will steal your *students* and take your hard earned rank. Ninpo, by its very nature, is a system of techniques that often were literally stolen from Chinese, Japanese, Okinawan, Indian and Korean martial arts. A common practice was to steal the weapons and tools if slain adversaries; and all of this was handed down from one generation to the next *in* *secret* in the first place. Speaking to the moral aspects, all of the consequences for acting in bad faith towards the kai or just demonstrating immoral behavior in general flies in the face the Japanese sense if morality. For example, stripping a person of their rank and disavowing their existence and or the knowledge you gave them, would be considered dishonest of you (you are in fact lying) and by not acknowledging that said former student is trained, you are essentially lying to the public and creating a situation where the presumed assumption of an unskilled fighter would be incorrect. This would inevitably lead to someone(such as an unsuspecting police officer) getting injured or worse. The moral thing to do would be to acknowledge their level if skill, and that you take issue with the boundaries of their decision making.
My dear Friend, Genbukans first rule is about spiritual refinment, and any true Ninjitsu organisation is all about spiritual refinement, and spiritual refinement is not possible with things you do. I do not have anything against you and not blaming you or accuse you in any way, but by speaking about other organisations this way you harm yourself not others. Life goes just about the same way with you having your opinions or not. America is culturally very different from Japan, And the Organisation is Japanes therefore you should respect its ways an orders. My advice, leave it all othervice your ambition and seemingly wanting to get to the truth will simply harm you in a way that the essence of martial way will simply become obsolete for you, through your own decisions and behaviours.
Thank you for your opinion. I respect it. But will continue to stick with my opinion and the experience I went through. Not everyone had the same experience that is true.
Spent a few years in the Genbukan and left because I felt it was like a cult. I have just opened a small Dojo in England. would love to email you, but can;t find your address.
Now I see why the group in my area refuses to let people from other styles to come train with them, and why their seminars are all private closed seminars It's. A. Cult.
Interesting video. I always wondered about the Genbukan. Training in the Bujinkan I was never told not to train with anyone else. The only exception to that was they highly recommended not training with the Genbukan. Even then it wasn't forbidden, but based upon this seems a solid recommendation
It's not going to make a difference if the bully is not named. And Tanemura Sensei might not know about it. In Japan, they do not like things going public about scandalous individuals in their circles, which means the scandalous individuals might be behaving sycophantic around Tanemura and the Japanese, and an absolute terror stateside. There is also a reason why they say to not train with other ninpo organizations. It is not a red flag whatsoever with the Japanese. Japan does not treat a dojo as transactional places to acquire techniques. That's an American mindset, and they don't have to respond to it, because it's their culture. Even Hatsumi has talked about this, as well as the Japanese Soke in the Bujinkan.
Thanks for sharing, Luis. Keep on going strong!!! - José
You are doing God's work. They must be dealt with, and what you're doing is praiseworthy. Genbukan is really sort of a sect, they don't own Omote Shuto or any other technique ( as they are far older than 1984 when GWNBF was founded ). Greetings from Croatia and God bless freedom of speech.
Thank you sir. And thanks for commenting
Thanks Luis. Just want to relate that the international culture and politics are tough to navigate and I appreciate your quest toward honesty and clarity. Hope to learn more from your channel.
Sorry to hear that. I am learning Genbukan and have not had this experience and sensei also knows that I am learning BJJ. I have not had any bad experience with them. There was no charge for me to watch. I found them structured but quiet regimented and our local instructor is friendly but have repeatedly said they are quiet formal. I think there is a disconnect between western culture and far eastern culture in your approach.
I wasn't implying the entire gbk organization is bad. I apologize if that's how I came across. There are some wonderful sensei still involved in the organization. I was just explaining my experiences and some of their shady (in my opinion) business practices.
Sounds like space age Pimpin
Istudied In Genbukan for 9 years, I would not recommend anything but Genbukan to anyone. There are opinions by people but the system of Genbukan is the best. Learn what is there and skip the trash.
You only recommend Genbukan because you only trained Genbukan... Find a Shidokan, Kudo Daido Juku, Seidokan or Ashihara dojo... Learn something useful. I have a 2nd Dan in Genbukan and 1st Kyu in Jinenkan now a 3rd Dan in Shidokan Karate ... Switch it up... Check out Shidokan Triathlon competition... NOT Shotokan.
I had an experience with a Genbukan Instructor over ten years ago. Since I was in an area where there was no Dojo close by, I would have to travel a little to get to one. No problem, that's on me and was willing to try it. When I inquired with the Instructor of the Dojo concerning membership and training, I had the worst experience I've ever had. This organization produces the most arrogant, self-serving, god-complex type individuals I've ever dealt with. The Instructor told me I wouldn't be allowed to enter their Dojo until I had trained with them a minimum of six months, which would count as a "trial period" to make sure I was worthy of permanent membership.
This would include that I would have to provide the training facility for their Instructors to teach in at my location. This of course would have to be pre-approved by them via photos and written description of the area before they would even show up. I would also have to incur the travel expense and potential lodging for these individuals if they chose to do a long day of training and was too late to travel back. Provide meals, etc. All out of pocket, not including the training / testing fees. I more or less explained to this individual that if they were a representative of what their organization was about, I wanted no part of it and how conceited they came across ... he tried to explain to me that's how traditional training was handled and again, I told him to loose my email address and good luck.
My personal advice ... unless you're just dying to be totally dominated by an organization financially, professionally, and other aspects of your life .... find something else. You'd be much better off.
Wow sorry you had to go through that. But thank you for sharing your story! Would you mind sharing what city and state this situation was?
@@EmpireDojo It was Knoxville, TN. Not sure if the dojo I was communicating with is even still around, but I can tell you that the dojo was about a two and a half hour drive from my location, so it may have been a training group of some sort.
I was treated really bad by one of the highest rank instructors of the Genbukan. I am currently working towards black belt in the Bujikan and it is a WAY better fir for me.
Sorry to hear that. One of my students was as well back in 2016. I'm happy you're doing great now and good look on your shodan test
We want more!
Great work, my friend. I was Genbukan member for 5 years. Didn't learn a shit almost. Almost every technique is on the internet. Now I am a kyokushin fighter.
Fuck them.
Thanks for the truth.
Could you provide some specific details about how you felt your 5 years could have been improved/how they were damaged compared to other genbukan instruction programs?
Can you share a link for a technique, especially one that you heard was "secret?"
What's kyokushin and who teaches it in your area? Any instructors in USA?
Thank you for helping me gather data and understand.
They didn't want to teach me anything at the beginning, regarding their super secret bullshit. There are no secret techniques, believe me.
I came there as a good karateka and kickboxer who wanted to learn more about samurai culture and fighting techniques. I wasted 5 years on that shit, since I trusted in my sensei. 5 years between my 19 to 24 years old, learning almost zero. My sensei was so strict that he putted me doing khime gata for a year. A YEAR.
I got full of that crap, and started doing kyokushin. Which believe me, if you are a 5kyu in kyokushin you will kick anybody ass of the Genbukan and related arts, because they don't spar.
Genbukan could be one the greatest if the most successful self defense martial if they were more open to changes and modifications to their system.
But they will never grow with that mentality.
Put any kyoshi ou meiko kaiden against a competitive boxer and you will be surprised how quickly their fantasies fall apart.
OSU!
I wish I could never enter this organization and started doing kyokushin sooner, I wasted 5 competitive years on that school
You did an amazing job. Please show them the reality, the techniques will work if they know how to fight.
Kind regards from Portugal, and keep going the amazing work!
Ehehehehe, if you come here, you are welcome to taste our best dishes. Kind regards
Aren't you worried that after the Genbukan's attempts to block you fail they will send their minions for a physical attack? Are the students in danger if they do or do they keep attacks to the master?
No one in the Genbukan can actually fight I doubt he is worried.
Did the Genbuken oppose Bruce Lee?
Nope. It was chuck Norris
Like Soki said in 1980s If yull JUST SHUT THE F UP AND TRAIN YUR LIFE WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.! The ONLY ONE NEEDING TO BE CONTROLLED IS YU. FIX YURSELF BY LIVING A LIFE OF CONSTANT CONSISTENT TRAINING. DUH.
Never thought of that!!!
I'll get up and train now. Just started when I made this video. Got my black belt from TH-cam. It was a great course.
Cognitive Dissonance:
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the perception of contradictory information.
Genbukan "owns" these techniques; no "stealing" techniques, students etc. BUT....
if you leave the organization they will steal your *students* and take your hard earned rank.
Ninpo, by its very nature, is a system of techniques that often were literally stolen from Chinese, Japanese, Okinawan, Indian and Korean martial arts. A common practice was to steal the weapons and tools if slain adversaries; and all of this was handed down from one generation to the next *in* *secret* in the first place.
Speaking to the moral aspects, all of the consequences for acting in bad faith towards the kai or just demonstrating immoral behavior in general flies in the face the Japanese sense if morality.
For example, stripping a person of their rank and disavowing their existence and or the knowledge you gave them, would be considered dishonest of you (you are in fact lying) and by not acknowledging that said former student is trained, you are essentially lying to the public and creating a situation where the presumed assumption of an unskilled fighter would be incorrect. This would inevitably lead to someone(such as an unsuspecting police officer) getting injured or worse. The moral thing to do would be to acknowledge their level if skill, and that you take issue with the boundaries of their decision making.
My dear Friend, Genbukans first rule is about spiritual refinment, and any true Ninjitsu organisation is all about spiritual refinement, and spiritual refinement is not possible with things you do. I do not have anything against you and not blaming you or accuse you in any way, but by speaking about other organisations this way you harm yourself not others. Life goes just about the same way with you having your opinions or not. America is culturally very different from Japan, And the Organisation is Japanes therefore you should respect its ways an orders. My advice, leave it all othervice your ambition and seemingly wanting to get to the truth will simply harm you in a way that the essence of martial way will simply become obsolete for you, through your own decisions and behaviours.
Thank you for your opinion. I respect it. But will continue to stick with my opinion and the experience I went through. Not everyone had the same experience that is true.
Spent a few years in the Genbukan and left because I felt it was like a cult. I have just opened a small Dojo in England. would love to email you, but can;t find your address.
Smart move to left such organisation, greetings from Bujinkan member
You need to leave too. 😂
@@JustinPrime85 thank you for suggestion
there no secret but ones you keep for you self respect you telling this
Two Genbukan practitioners are unhappy with this video.
Does anyone care about Takamatsu den arts anymore. Everyone serious about MA is doing combat sports
Cool bro 😎
Shoto Tanemura is a dictator! And his followers are just as worse
Don't know why? You were just stating your opinion.
Great video! - Luis Acosta
Now I see why the group in my area refuses to let people from other styles to come train with them, and why their seminars are all private closed seminars
It's. A. Cult.
Get to the goddamn point...
Yes master