I kinda feel like the most unrealistic thing about the story was that there was apparently a travelling circus in the 2010s(?) with a caged child/person and no social services or whatever seemed to have stepped in.
Yeah I think it would've worked a lot better if the circus accident happened in the 70s or 80s or something and they've been haunted by the werewolves for a generation already. I don't really understand why they decided it was only 6 years.
“I’d usually cover us in werewolf blood to hide our scent, but I’m all out so we’re high risk” He says, standing in a pool of werewolf blood he pointed out not 2 minutes prior.
I just want to point out, as someone who worked as a lifeguard for many years, you're not really meant to try and pull a drowning kid from a lake without any assistance. It's very easy for drowning people to grapple onto you, and take you down with them. Those instructions weren't meant as a red herring indicating lake monsters, the proper procedure for a lake rescue would be to row out in a boat.
Regardless of it being propper procedure, that wasn't the reason for the instructions about rowing a boat out instead of diving in the water to save the kids. There was an in game reason for it that the guys didn't see. They didn't choose the path that led to seeing it. SPOILER: The lake was filled with razorwire chains holding down at least one bloated corpse. Jacob gets caught in it and sees the corpse if he jumps in to grab the rotor arm instead of running off to help Abi.
@@niclastname I never saw any context explicitly told to the audience as to why the razorwire is there, but we can find who the body is. His missing person poster is hanging up somewhere, and-with the right evidence-the end-credits podcast will confirm his identity. If you see the razorwire and the body, it's a piece of evidence towards proving the camp counselor's story and keeping them out of jail. My theory is the razorwire is a "sleep with the fishes" thing to hide/dispose of the bodies to decay at the bottom of the lake.
@@niclastname I think so but it's one of those things where you have to use inference. It's mentioned at one point that there were hikers that went missing. Presumably, the body(s?) are from those hikers after they were turned(then subsequently killed by the Hackets.) Don't get why they hid them under water... specifically at their summer camp lak. I can't believe there wasn't even one kid who looked under water for all the possible years the body(s?) was underwater.
I explained this when they first encountered the note - If you're out doing boat activities and someone goes overboard the dumbest thing you can do is jump out of your own boat to save them. First of all it's very hard to get back into a boat from the water, secondly your boat might not hang around while you're splashing around in the water leaving you both stranded and thirdly you could end up adding to the risk by underestimating how cold the water is and overestimating how well you can swim.
The run or freezer was so bad, it makes it seem like you hide in the freezer which would kill you. Yet you actually bait it into it? So arbitrary and indecipherable as to what each decision would actually do.
yea, the "choices" in this one are particularly obtuse throughout... even in some of the casual interactions earlier on, some of the choices are just there so you can look stupid. Although none of the "So-and-so will remember this" moments had any discernable consequences... Also feels like they put the 3 Lives mechanic in as a result of the unearned deaths.
The dead guy in the lake was one of the people who went missing in the woods. He was actually one of the podcast crew that was investigating the fire and ended up being killed by the Hacketts. (Not sure if they killed him while they were werewolves or otherwise.) His face shows up on one of the posters you saw for missing persons.
@@emmaclarke2885 hiker/journalist. Can be both. There were definitely multiple missing people. At least one of them was a journalist. The rest were hikers.
Since when were there cameras in Chris Hackett's little camera room that had angles inside the cabin? Didn't they have the whole 'Oh but it's only trail cams so it's probably nothing creepy' conversation when they found that? Then again, continuity hasn't really been this game's strongsuit so far... Oh well, as long as the Riddle Bros are there for us it'll still be guaranteed to entertain.
I have to say, the one big thing that took me by surprise from this game was Supermassive teasing their classic 'the intro characters fuckin die no matter what' then breaking their own cliche. They did it decently well too, to boot - and it spawned Laura, the biggest badass in the game and a pretty great character all-round.
If bricks are crumbling and no longer secured together by the mortar, it's actually probably easier to "break" (topple) than breaking through a solid door. However, the werewolf shouldn't have had any trouble either way. They toss around human bodies like tissues lmao.
"Look, I didn't know he was a werewolf, I just thought I was relasing an incredibly deformed and violent kid into the woods to starve or freeze or die of infection, that's all" -Kaylee Hackett, one of the "kindest gentlest souls on Earth" But ain't nobody said she's the smartest
I mean she was like 10 at the time. The part where she knows that SHE turns into an incredibly deformed and violent kid in the woods but doesn't want to stay in the cage for the night now that she's in her mid to late teens is... a bit harder to explain Also love that they have the cages but they still just chain Chris up in the attic or lock him in the storm cellar haha
Yeah, they really needed to have another twist- the ghost bit felt REALLY underutilized, like I was expecting after the white wolf bit that the ghost would be the antagonist. Ultimately, felt it was okay, but I don't know that Supermassive have lived up to Until Dawn since. Granted, I'm still watching a playthrough of House of Ashes- kinda blah on it so far but I've been told it gets really good.
House of Ashes is by far the best game of the anthology, which isn't saying much considering the other two are utter dogshit, but it really does have good points here and there despite the many flaws. As others have said (so avoid the comments if you don't want spoilers!), it has a great final couple of chapters and climactic finale.
The ghost aka the witch aka the hag of Hackett’s Quarry, was trying to get you to save Silas. If you choose to save Silas he ends up killing 2 or 3 out of that group at the end. The ghost/witch/hag basically gloats at the end like an antagonist because Silas and the curse is still alive.
@@jenniferhamels1176 that's kind of an underwhelming payoff with how much the ghost herself shows up. Like, id expect a bit where she becomes directly antagonistic to the crew if you kill Silas or something like that, a few more scenes for the crew to survive
7:39 This has to be the biggest troll from the developers man. He doesn’t see the werewolf while swimming over??? Just if you pick that die instantly. wtf
It does seem stupid he doesn't see the werewolf, but it's pretty obviously spelled out that staying on the island would be the right choice. At this point, they knew (or maybe forgot, but should have known) that Max was the only werewolf on the island, so should've stayed there if they wanted to keep him safe
@@ButzPunk I think their logic was "If we stay he's safe. If we swim he's no longer necessarily safe, but might be needed for something. Thus someone might die later because he stayed."
It wasn't perfect, but the characters and dialogue were certainly better than ever, and these games don't come out that often, it's not like we're drowning in them, so I think it's fine for them to just be "good enough". I enjoyed it.
The characters were much improved but everything else nosedived, most notably the script. I always look forward to the bros playing these but, honestly, that was disappointing. If it had been longer or tried to put some twists or subplots in I would've felt better. Pity, because while there have been highs and lows with these games they always seem like someone's put the effort in and House Of Ashes was a real improvement; difficult to fault from start to finish. This felt like they'd quartered the budget and started writing the script a week before development began. Maybe next time.
@@synchc I would hard disagree that the script nosedived. Man of Medan and Little Hope both had _awful_ stories. This one wasn't anything special, but easily better than both of those. Until Dawn wasn't bad, but there wasn't really much in terms of explaining anything that I remember. It's been a loooong time on that one though. House of Ashes was a fun story, but also had a large details that just get glossed over as well.
@@niclastname Until Dawn didn't just shove everything in your face which is why it was so good. You learn new things every playthrough, lots of stuff to miss and discover. And there is A LOT to learn in Until Dawn. Much more than any of the other games.
You're kidding right? Until Dawn was the only one with decent characters and dialogue because it was the only one with an experienced writer signed on. They tried to recapture the cheesy dialogue in every subsequent game because they knew people liked it (or atleast responded to it) and it is mostly jarring and poorly sequenced in all of them, especially the quarry,
@@mechafloob You're right, if they were trying to recreate cheesy dialogue of Until Dawn, they failed, instead they produced some genuinely witty and funny characters. Not just slasher tropes masquerading as characters.
I enjoyed this series so much. Gonna miss the Riddle Bros! I hope you guys play the 2nd game made by the creator of Witch Hunt, Skinwalker Hunt at some point. Or just some more goofy horror games.
I know the podcast epilogue is pretty downright terrible, but it still provides some info on the outcomes for the remaining survivors, such as whether the kids, or the Hacketts, or nobody, goes to prison for the unexplained deaths. Maybe you should have left it in?
I haven't watched anything about this game or read anything about it at all besides for this channel, so I have to admit, I'm really gutted they left it out. It feels like I got to the last page of a book, and it was torn out. EDIT: To be fair though I just looked up like the perfect ending, and the podcast host people are unbearable. It really is just awful dialogue. And now, having finished that video ... wow, it was really anticlimactic and useless. It wasted like twenty minutes time to show 1 picture on a computer screen saying teens acquitted. Doesn't say who ended up with who, so all that character development is useless. Really spoiled the game for me.
The podcast goes on for so long though and it's honestly not that interesting, it's just footnotes and speculation on the whole plot based on the evidence so it's really not worth it, not to mention the hosts being terrible as said before me so looking it up might be worth it for you but I can't recommend it at all lol
@@thefinal9923 I get why they left the podcast out (I saw one version of it on another playthrough), but they still could have showed the "1 picture on a computer screen" that said whether they were aquitted or arrested. I get that it's not a big deal at the end of the day, but it would have been nice to see.
While I agree that the overall story could have definitely had some more of a twist to it, I would definitely say this was the most entertaining one. I'm with Tom that it was fun how tropey it was, and the characters were all so much better by being written as more of a self-aware tongue in cheek tone. Dylan was a highlight for sure! Hell, Salim and the marine buddy duo are the only characters I even have any memories of from any of the previous games. The rest have all been so uninteresting and unfun. Basically every character in this game was far more memorable than any of the other games. Even the father son hunters that barely spoke.
I'd say Until Dawn has pretty memorable characters, I think they peaked with that game and have been trying to recapture it ever since. House of Ashes had more of a interesting story/concept but yeah the characters were nothing. With the Dark Pictures ones, it felt like they didn't put as much effort into characters, even the mocap and acting was noticable worse, even though there were some pretty shonky stuff in this one too. In Man of Medan I guess the schtick was the multiplayer possibilities but honestly the "hallucinations" aspect of it was foreshadowed way too early so it was just a bunch of jumpscares, and then I guess because most people would figure out not to murder the other characters they had a bunch of arbitrary endings where they could all get screwed anyway based on something you couldn't possible predict. With Little Hope, I think they messed up by having 2 games in a row where it turned out not to be real all along, also they went a bit too far the other way with not setting up the twist. I'd say the ranking goes UD > HoA for story/TQ for fun >>> the other games.
@@Steve_Keen yeah also, I could be wrong, but wasn't the power supposed to be out? at worst it would be a bit chilly in there also what kind of freezer can only be opened from the outside?
@@oerwout10 yeah makes 0 sense that he died in there, a walk in freezer will absolutely stay cold for hours after power goes out but there was a handle on the inside so why, when he turned into a human, didn't he just open the door.
1. These games should always have a mystery to them, that was a big problem with The Quarry. 2. The game had too many characters making some of them obsolete as you only play as them a couple times, like Abigail. 3. The ending needed interviews like in Until Dawn, that really tied the story and your actions into a nice bow. 4. The best thing about this game is a lot of stuff can happen, there are a lot of special interactions like everyone getting infected and werewolves not attacking them. So there is more variation than any other one of these games. 5. The ending is VERY underwhelming. Until Dawn and House of Ash ending with all the characters together in one final stand was such a rush. 6. The werewolves are kind of wimpy. Imagine a Wendigo fighting one of them, they would destroy them, but normal humans can melee werewolves in this. 7. Laura was the best character in this, she saved the game. But no one can compare to Mike in Until Dawn, he was the perfect transformation of jerk/jock to hero you root for. It is a shame House of Ash was wasted in a anthology game instead of being its own thing, because the twist from that was the best of all these games.
This one did have a mystery, it was just explained quite a bit before the end: The whole Hackett family drama/curse and the fact that Chris was the one in the basement etc. This one isn't perfect but easily has the most fun characters, and is certainly miles better than Man of Medan and Little Hope. Neither of them had anything going for them aside from Tom and Simon's commentary.
House of Ashes would've been SICK if it got the full game treatment. This game was too much like Until Dawn, but not in a good way. It fell into ALL the clichés that Until Dawn satirized. Really poor decisions from Supermassive ever since they decided to do a lazy anthology collection instead of putting the real effort in.
@@mechafloob Yeah, the twist once they got to the deepest parts of the tunnels seems so wasted now that it's over. I thought those games were linked in terms of story but afaik it's just the narrator/historian dude afaik from these videos?
The funniest thing is that they're overthinking all the water warnings: these are just normal liability warnings in America that camps must have for safety and proper drowning rescue
There was an in-game reason for the water warnings that wasn't just normal liability warnings. They just didn't pick the option that revealed what that reason was in this playthrough.
I’m a big fan of this genre honestly. Even when one like this, that doesn’t feel super well thought out or polished, comes out and is still super insanely enjoyable because the interactions and dialogue and watchability are so fun despite the jenkiness, it shows me that they literally only get better at making these games each time. House of Ashes is still my favorite, the twist is so cool and the military trope is my favorite. Like, this didn’t have insane advertising or tons of hype around it (probably because it did seem a little flat or straight forward) but I still made it the whole way through wanting more from these character because they had charm or true-to-life if not a little tongue-in-cheek modern, 21st century personalities and honestly more fun cameos than ever. And at this point, Ryan’s face model is also kind of like seeing an old friend again lol
little fact i learned recently , because the "were" part of werewolf is from the anglo-saxon word for man , the anglo-saxon word for woman is wif and so a female lycanthrope is a wifwolf :)
In keeping with your wordplay, if you want to use the Anglo-Saxon origins and create a new gendered word using the historical roots, the Anglo-Saxon word for wolf was wulf. Your female wolf person would be a wifwulf, as compared to a werewulf.
Loved the series. The ending was a bit anticlimactic, but overall the game was fun. Good characters (love Dylan!). -- I'd like to see you play 'As Dusk Falls' next.
*possible spoilers* The signs about not going in the water are due to there being razor wire down there which you discover as Jacob if you choose to go after the dropped rotor arm instead of helping Abi early in the game.
@@simonsonlyfan8600 If I had to guess, it's to make sure any werewolves that end up in the lake have 0 chance of getting out and die there (since they hate clear water), or at least incapacitate them to make it easy to kill them (or identify by leaving them thrashing in the water until sunrise). I initially thought that the body we saw in the water was a former werewolf caught in that trap, but apparently it's one of the hikers who went missing in the area.
@@Benzux They dump the bodies of hikers killed by werewolves in the lake, that makes sense, but we saw that werewolves wouldn't even try swimming. Razor wire is overkill and could injure the kids, because let's face it, a sign that says to not do something, there's always one kid that does the thing.
Agree with Simon, I still loved House of Ashes the most, putting this 3rd after Until Dawn, but I would watch anything with the Riddle Bros! Hope to see you guys together more often!
the quarry was great but the ending leaves much to be desired, like: in order to find out what happens after the nights done you have to listen to a podcast that blabbers for 20 minutes......? really quite a silly way to end it rather than giving us a satisfying cutscene with the survivors maybe reuniting and showing the police the evidence you gathered and the stuff you saw throughout the game, it would've made the ending feel more like an... end... i guess?
The podcast at the end doesn't really say what happened. The podcast plays during the credits, and there is a picture on the screen the whole time that says whether they were arrested or not, but the podcast itself doesn't say what happened to the counsellors- at least not in the playthrough I watched the podcast on.
I think the two major wins from this game are the dialogue/characters and the relative flexibility with how the game changes via who gets werewolfed (hard to tell on one playthrough). Overall I personally believe that's worth losing the big twist where x is actually y, particularly since in its own way - after Until Dawn and three Dark Pictures - that was also getting pretty predictable. The end definitely rushed a bit and could've tied more together, but what was there was solid. And I admit I'm willing to admire a game that just has a werewolf story that runs on werewolf rules and lets people go 'oh these are werewolves' halfway into it. It's a decent monster whose only crime is being so well-known that you can't expect the characters to not know what they're dealing with, and that's never stopped the vampire writers.
Yeah, the "crazy wild twist" bit was starting to get so predictable with The Dark Pictures games that it kind of overtook the rest of the game and trained you to just spend the whole time trying to see past the actual story and overthinking it. Which is exactly what Tom and Simon did during this playthrough. I got the sense this time the devs just wanted a straight cheesy monster film that had a lot of variable paths without any sort of deeper mystery. Plus after that absolutely bonkers 'alien starship' twist in House of Ashes I was worried they were going to start just M Night Shyamalan-ing it and try to continually out crazy themselves. So a straightforward concept is kind of appreciated to me.
I just wish they didn't force you to kill so many of the Hacketts. Like Caleb and Caitlyn are mutually exclusive to survive. The whole point of killing the wolf at the end is to save Caleb and then he just dies in a fridge.
Pulverize @@Jay_Johnson You actually can keep Kaitlyn and Dylan alive along with Caleb, but to do so both of them have to have acute werewolfitis, which causes Caleb to sniff them and bug off instead of trying to murder them. And to do THAT you need to mess up very specific QTEs to get bitten without screwing up enough OTHER QTEs that you drop dead.
Honestly though it's been another whole case of just being honest. If the policeman didn't hide everything then they could have worked together from the get go and stopped this WAY earlier. They should have locked all the family members in the electric cages then they'd NEVER have escaped or been any danger. The witch should have told us if there was an alternate way instead of "DONT KILL MY BOY!" like please woman, you're dead and you're clinging onto your child who is a danger to others but who has no life regardless, until suggested otherwise, a bullet was the best option. As for the evidence, would have been nice for the police to sit everyone down and talk to them about the evidence and what it means i.e how much they strung together and learned
What a great run through! I never saw that many people surviving after the first episode with Tom learning the buttons, how to hold his breath and quick time directions. Sad it's over, these playthroughs are always fun on this channel. Can't wait for the next series.
I really thought they were going to twist that killing Silas was a more questionable choice after the fact. Like rather than the fire being an error in judgement caused by Kaylee and Caleb trying to free Silas, instead it turns out they weren't trying to save anyone, they had just burned down the sideshow with full malice because of 'freak-show'-type hate and because they were on their property or some shit, then the hag cursed them after death (would have made more sense if the fire was set further in the past than six years). Then they could have had a heel-face-heel turn arc with Travis and the Hackett family. The first time I saw someone shoot Silas, I was so sure that after you killed him it would be revealed that Travis was lying, that you were stupid just for believing Travis at his word when pressed--like of course he's not going to say "yeah my family had it coming". So, after all, killing the 'big-bad white wolf' turns out to be a problematic choice. There was more to the Hacketts somehow, the family was shady, and in killing Silas you somehow get the bad guys off the hook. Like the only good Hackett was the Sheriff one that died in the fire trying to warn/save Harum Scarum crew after finding out about the Hackett kids'/rest-of-the-family's plan.
The more I think about it, the more it feels like that was maybe the plan at some point? All of the focus on past members of the family (family tree, paintings, etc) makes me think maybe in development they had some 'First born son cursed forever' kind of story, that the circus had originally been burned in the 40s or something instead of present day (Why else would Travis 'not even know this was here' regarding the burned circus arena, his predecessor died there) I feel like maybe the Devs had more planned like you say (I like your theory), but maybe they were out of time development wise or maybe someone just decided it was getting too complex? I don't know
Yeah like maybe Travis gives her the gun in the lead up to the final showdown because he knows a curse will come on to him if he kills Silas, that's why he is so fretted, cryptic and avoidant with some of his dialouge. It would also explain why the hunt for the White Wolf has failed for so long.
I enjoyed every minute, I would rate this 2nd among these games, after until dawn but they have all been very entertaining. Riddle bros are top notch bros.
What an interesting ending to this series. I saw the ending if you DONT kill the werewolf and it is uh... probably the most brutal thing this game has to offer! It was super entertaining to watch The Riddle Bros play this! Hope to see these two play some more games in the future!
Their point still stands though, if they catch him as a boy they can still just keep him locked up like they did Max and then murder him when he turns.
@@kpack1993 You can’t catch what you can’t find in the first place. Just because Silas turns human the rest of the month doesn’t mean all of a sudden he would be easier to find. He was a feral child when the hag aka his “mother” found him. The old lady isn’t his birth mother. The hag found him and turned him into a circus attraction. Silas being feral could still help him hide and survive in human form.
Kind of ridiculous that the werewolf containment solution is as simple as "put everyone who's infected on an island" and the Hacketts still set themselves up for disaster
Final summary: Riddle bros - great as always (and more successful than I expected), really made this enjoyable to watch Game - Really dropped the ball. Had a good start, but after that fell off. The glitches and animation errors can be overlooked, and the plot was serviceable (though butchered) - but what on earth were the choices about? I’d say the only death that felt fair was Max’s (though you’d think the werewolf would be obvious from the other shore), but the others were so arbitrarily random that it didn’t feel like they made poor choices, just were tricked into it by not being told what the choices actually mean
It should really say "bait" or "trap" instead of "freezer". Game feels rushed in a lot of places. Apparently development time was halved compared to the other games...
@@jfolz actually im pretty sure if you choose the freezer option and dont have the rabbit toy or whatever, kaitlyn locks herself inside the freezer for safety and dies that way instead--for all the possible outcomes related to it, "freezer" is the most accurate description as it definitely implies an equal amount of unsafety to ingeniousness
I looked it up and apparently Kaitlyn needs to be infected for him to survive as he ignores her if she is. Kinda bullshit that you need to purposefully fail QTEs to get the best ending
Somewhere in the game its mentioned 3 ppl have gone missing in the woods 2 hikers and 1 reporter looking for the hikers, its assumed they got accidentally killed by the Hackett werewolves (Caleb or Kaylee on a full moon), and for some reason they hid the reporter's body in the lake. So that is the weird shot of the body tied down in the lake, and why they tried to get ppl not to swim or go into the lake at all.
Well, like half of his family. Werewolf Chris chomped a couple of them up. Just shotgunning his mum in the face right in front of him felt pretty bad tho
Technically Laura only killed two-Kaylee and Constance. Werewolf Chris killed Bobby and Jeb, Ryan killed Chris, and Caleb froze to death after the White wolf was slain. Killing two out of six people isn't mudering 'nearly his entire family', even if the rest of them are killed by someone else.
Not sure you can really hold it against anyone for killing them in wolf form. It's not like they look like their human selves, and they're probably going to be killed if they don't defend themselves.
@@andrewthorpe3377 The fact the game forces you to kill so many of the Hacketts really annoys me. Like what was the point of Travis going to kill the white wolf at the end if Caleb is going to just die in a fridge anyway. and you can't even save Caleb without killing Caitlynn.
@@Calanon no I get that, he's locked on there by Laura because he can't swim out so she knows where he is after she kills Chris, but is there something else hunting at Caleb just being at the exact right place and time to kill max there?
@@Defnotdiablo Yeah, Laura left him there because it was safe. No werewolves could reach the island because they "shun open water" and Max couldn't leave for the same reason, and therefore the safest and fairly obvious option is to just stay there.
Same. I wish the Riddle Bros had a more busy schedule of cases to solve. :( I'd watch them literally all year round. Maybe they would get bored of it though, who knows.
I really wanted the rum-running business to tie into the travelling circus, and somehow be a cause for the fire. Also, having the option to save Silas's mother during the fire cutscene seems odd. It didn't really reveal any new information when she went chasing her son into the woods, and it conflicts with the sheriff's story that she died in the fire. It would be interesting to see what the story looks like if you lean into the werewolf team.
She did die in the fire either way. If you miss the QTE, she dies and you don't see the rest of the flashback. If you make the QTE you get a little more info, but she never makes it to the forest to look for Silas as she intends. She died in the gas tank explosion at the end of the flashback.
The horror host in the framing device actually being part of the plot in the end was an interesting direction, I thought that was neat. Shame about Max, though. Won't shed a tear for Jacob, but would've liked to have rescued Max in the end. Ah, well~
It was pretty clear you were supposed to make Max stay on the island and they just wanted to see what happens. In my mind that one was pretty much a freebie. Since there's apparently no payoff besides the slideshow at the end not much was lost.
Tom, you should check out the demo for Contraband Police, it's like Papers Please but you get to do a lot more things - manually searching cars for hidden contraband, etc.
Good game everyone! I had a blast as usual! The riddle bro's are such a good combination together! Me and many other look forward to this every year! Thank you! I wish you all the best and I hope you all have a good day/night! I will be doing a quick run down of the story below. So spoilers ahead! You have been warned! So no one knows why Silus was cursed, it's never said anywhere in the game. The hag, (forgot her name) Found him one day and decided to make him her son, while Also locking him in a cage and showing him off to visitors for money. She had ran this circus before she found him. Chris's kids Either visit themselves or learn about Silus through the posters. Kaylee decides to save him and release him, but as we know it didn't go well. (DON'T LIGHT HAYBALES'S ON FIRE! As a farmers son, I know this already. But please don't, Haybales are just dead grass or crops that didn't grow enough to be sold and are turned into silage. Dry grass burns very fast, That's why wildfires burn so quickly. Also don't ever try to pick up a haybale or catch one that is falling or rolling down a hill. It might not look like it, but haybales weigh a lot and can easily crush you. A square haybale can weigh over 40 or more pounds. A round haybale can weigh anywhere between 500 to 2,000 pounds. All that grass adds up.) So they caught on fire quickly and burned the entire circus down, while killing everyone but Silus and Chris's kids. Yes, the hag does die. she can not survive the event, she dies to different ways. Caleb then infects Kaylee later and Chris after her. The older Hackett family, learns of this and tries to help them. But as they need lots of money and don't have much after they quit making moonshine, they decided to do a legal business for once. The camp! If you put the time into it and monitor the moons, you can have kids live there for 2 months and then have them leave before the full moon shows up. That way you get money and no one gets hurt. They spend there money on lot's of equipment to find and hunt Silus. Turns out, the longer someone is a werewolf. The stronger and smarter they become, which is why the Hackett's couldn't find him for over 6 years. Silus decided to run off and hide in the woods for long periods of time, way outside the Hackett search range. But he would always come back to his cage home. Sometimes he would come near the camp, but not all the time. At some point, Two people decide to do there own snooping and investigate the rumors of the hag, Hoping to get a good story. They were a camera man and his reporting lady. Both were killed, But It's not stated how. The Hackett's might of done it. Which causes a rift between Chris and Travis and the older family. That body in the water we saw way back in the early chapters, that was the cameraman. Because of this, Travis. Who is actually the nicest guy in the show, decides to kidnap the two councilors that arrived early, after Chris infected max. Travis comes off as creepy, but he actually is very compassionate and caring. And to prevent them from being murdered, decided to keep them caged up until they killed Silus, which would save everyone infected. Despite his older family wanting to kill them. Fun fact, bobby not only was a retired solider, but also had the personality of a 10 year old kid. Which is why he becomes shocked you stabbed him, since he hasn't realized how painful death and wounds are. So that's pretty much it. We already saw the rest of the story play out. So I guess I will just say some facts. Every character in the game can be saved. (except for Kaylee) Travis had a ugly relationship with his mom and dad, they both saw him as weak and hated him. But would tolerate him if it suited there fancy. He was my favorite character, he was creepy but he truly didn't mean to be. But Chris and Bobby and Chris's kids did like Travis. Well, that's all I can think of, so I guess that's it. If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them. I mainly found this info from the wiki! Have a good day/night everyone and I wish you all the best!
Not sure if they ever figured out they are Laura's clothes and Emma is technically naked cause she wolfed out. The head cannon of them doing swapsies before the cops show up is good though.
So, the White Wolf lived in the woods, in a purpose built wooden bed/cage/nest and was feral so stayed there the whole time... not moving away. In 6 years the expert wearwolf hunters didn't find any tracks, trails, the nest... in the woods they live in.
The only thing I don't understand is what is the other option at the end even supposed to achieve? Just leave everyone infected? Maybe find some way to detain Silas until he turns back and... experiment on him until you find a cure?
So... Most of this game was pretty damn predictable. However there was one I didn't realize until closer towards the end. Throughout the game we occasionally hear the witch whisper "kill them all", which at first I took as her telling the characters to "kill all the werewolves", and then as "kill all the Hackett's". HOWEVER with that final scene of her after Silas was killed I think she was actually saying "kill all the hunters and councilors" directly to the player, as doing so would be the safest thing for Silas.
Simon was thinking about the movie "Better Watch Out," a pretty decent horror movie that you don't expect. I wonder, if Abi is dead and she didn't get the rabbit and Dylan and Caitlyn never got infected, would using a life in the kitchen restart the entire game?
It sorta makes sense for them to prohibit people swimming in the lake. if a counselor were to see the body and jump in to save it that would be bad. But why even hide the body there at all just bury it in the woods somewhere.
I can't believe it took you two tries to get the freezer choice right. That scene was ripped straight out of Jurassic Park where the kids trapped the raptor in the freezer.
The game had its ups and downs but at least it was entertaining to watch. Also, I really missed these videos with Simon, hopefully we won't have to wait as long for another Riddle Bros. playthrough.
I kinda feel like the most unrealistic thing about the story was that there was apparently a travelling circus in the 2010s(?) with a caged child/person and no social services or whatever seemed to have stepped in.
the story seems to be set in modern times and past times simultaneously, maybe it was changed to a modern setting during development
Yeah I think it would've worked a lot better if the circus accident happened in the 70s or 80s or something and they've been haunted by the werewolves for a generation already. I don't really understand why they decided it was only 6 years.
i mean i’ve seen traveling circuses but i’m assuming he was only caged every now and then
I don't think you know what the word "most" means.
Still more realistic than fucking werewolves
“I’d usually cover us in werewolf blood to hide our scent, but I’m all out so we’re high risk”
He says, standing in a pool of werewolf blood he pointed out not 2 minutes prior.
It's on the ground! Dude 5 second rule and such. "No way in hell I'm putting that on me" - Travis
*I can't believe it was actually bears and a gas leak all along*
A swarm of bears too!
Simon: "Imagine if we knew there was a wolf boy at the start"
Me: *Recalls the poster they ignored that said "Silas the wolf boy"*
I just want to point out, as someone who worked as a lifeguard for many years, you're not really meant to try and pull a drowning kid from a lake without any assistance. It's very easy for drowning people to grapple onto you, and take you down with them. Those instructions weren't meant as a red herring indicating lake monsters, the proper procedure for a lake rescue would be to row out in a boat.
Regardless of it being propper procedure, that wasn't the reason for the instructions about rowing a boat out instead of diving in the water to save the kids. There was an in game reason for it that the guys didn't see. They didn't choose the path that led to seeing it.
SPOILER:
The lake was filled with razorwire chains holding down at least one bloated corpse. Jacob gets caught in it and sees the corpse if he jumps in to grab the rotor arm instead of running off to help Abi.
@@andrewthorpe3377 Is there ever any context given for that, or just "it's there"?
@@niclastname I never saw any context explicitly told to the audience as to why the razorwire is there, but we can find who the body is. His missing person poster is hanging up somewhere, and-with the right evidence-the end-credits podcast will confirm his identity. If you see the razorwire and the body, it's a piece of evidence towards proving the camp counselor's story and keeping them out of jail.
My theory is the razorwire is a "sleep with the fishes" thing to hide/dispose of the bodies to decay at the bottom of the lake.
@@niclastname I think so but it's one of those things where you have to use inference. It's mentioned at one point that there were hikers that went missing. Presumably, the body(s?) are from those hikers after they were turned(then subsequently killed by the Hackets.) Don't get why they hid them under water... specifically at their summer camp lak. I can't believe there wasn't even one kid who looked under water for all the possible years the body(s?) was underwater.
I explained this when they first encountered the note - If you're out doing boat activities and someone goes overboard the dumbest thing you can do is jump out of your own boat to save them. First of all it's very hard to get back into a boat from the water, secondly your boat might not hang around while you're splashing around in the water leaving you both stranded and thirdly you could end up adding to the risk by underestimating how cold the water is and overestimating how well you can swim.
Some of these deaths felt arbitrary like it's a fifty-fifty guess whether you're right or wrong. There's no great way of deciphering what to do.
I think the worst one was when Jacob died. It makes sense that he'd be safe in the cage. What cage opens when the power goes out?
@@Pence128 Also wasn't he blooded so should have been fine?
The run or freezer was so bad, it makes it seem like you hide in the freezer which would kill you. Yet you actually bait it into it? So arbitrary and indecipherable as to what each decision would actually do.
@@AlxH_93 he was sitting there right next to it for hours so it's not like it would've needed to smell him.
yea, the "choices" in this one are particularly obtuse throughout... even in some of the casual interactions earlier on, some of the choices are just there so you can look stupid. Although none of the "So-and-so will remember this" moments had any discernable consequences... Also feels like they put the 3 Lives mechanic in as a result of the unearned deaths.
The dead guy in the lake was one of the people who went missing in the woods. He was actually one of the podcast crew that was investigating the fire and ended up being killed by the Hacketts. (Not sure if they killed him while they were werewolves or otherwise.) His face shows up on one of the posters you saw for missing persons.
Pretty sure he wasn't involved with the podcast. Maybe a journalist
@@Dogtles I thought he was one of the hikers?
@@emmaclarke2885 hiker/journalist. Can be both. There were definitely multiple missing people. At least one of them was a journalist. The rest were hikers.
@@Dogtles Can't be both. If you found all the evidence, it is revealed that the body in the lake is Ed Benson one of the missing hikers.
lmao how would anybody ever figure this out just by playing the game once
Since when were there cameras in Chris Hackett's little camera room that had angles inside the cabin? Didn't they have the whole 'Oh but it's only trail cams so it's probably nothing creepy' conversation when they found that? Then again, continuity hasn't really been this game's strongsuit so far...
Oh well, as long as the Riddle Bros are there for us it'll still be guaranteed to entertain.
Wasn't there one shot where someone looked up at the Camera on the wall?
@@Steve_Keen That was one of the trail cameras outside catching Jeb take down a camera.
@@jenniferhamels1176 I must be thinking of something else. Media all blurs together!
I have to say, the one big thing that took me by surprise from this game was Supermassive teasing their classic 'the intro characters fuckin die no matter what' then breaking their own cliche. They did it decently well too, to boot - and it spawned Laura, the biggest badass in the game and a pretty great character all-round.
30:11 You’re telling me that thing can burst through a stone chimney and not just be able to break through any other part of that house???
It broke through a bricked up chimney and then struggled with a wooden door not a minute after. This games all over the place.
@@ArdinVincent But you're forgetting that door was supported by... a small wooden chair! 🥲
the chimney was already falling apart to be fair, but yes the door did seem odd
If bricks are crumbling and no longer secured together by the mortar, it's actually probably easier to "break" (topple) than breaking through a solid door. However, the werewolf shouldn't have had any trouble either way. They toss around human bodies like tissues lmao.
I mean they've been talking about the rickety chimney every episode it's been in.
"Look, I didn't know he was a werewolf, I just thought I was relasing an incredibly deformed and violent kid into the woods to starve or freeze or die of infection, that's all"
-Kaylee Hackett, one of the "kindest gentlest souls on Earth"
But ain't nobody said she's the smartest
I mean she was like 10 at the time. The part where she knows that SHE turns into an incredibly deformed and violent kid in the woods but doesn't want to stay in the cage for the night now that she's in her mid to late teens is... a bit harder to explain
Also love that they have the cages but they still just chain Chris up in the attic or lock him in the storm cellar haha
Shakespearian karma claimed that kind gentle soul real fast, like, no choice or anything, just wig snatched face down in the pool
Yeah, they really needed to have another twist- the ghost bit felt REALLY underutilized, like I was expecting after the white wolf bit that the ghost would be the antagonist.
Ultimately, felt it was okay, but I don't know that Supermassive have lived up to Until Dawn since. Granted, I'm still watching a playthrough of House of Ashes- kinda blah on it so far but I've been told it gets really good.
House of Ashes is by far the best game of the anthology, which isn't saying much considering the other two are utter dogshit, but it really does have good points here and there despite the many flaws. As others have said (so avoid the comments if you don't want spoilers!), it has a great final couple of chapters and climactic finale.
The ghost aka the witch aka the hag of Hackett’s Quarry, was trying to get you to save Silas. If you choose to save Silas he ends up killing 2 or 3 out of that group at the end. The ghost/witch/hag basically gloats at the end like an antagonist because Silas and the curse is still alive.
@@jenniferhamels1176 that's kind of an underwhelming payoff with how much the ghost herself shows up. Like, id expect a bit where she becomes directly antagonistic to the crew if you kill Silas or something like that, a few more scenes for the crew to survive
7:39 This has to be the biggest troll from the developers man. He doesn’t see the werewolf while swimming over??? Just if you pick that die instantly. wtf
It does seem stupid he doesn't see the werewolf, but it's pretty obviously spelled out that staying on the island would be the right choice. At this point, they knew (or maybe forgot, but should have known) that Max was the only werewolf on the island, so should've stayed there if they wanted to keep him safe
"Danerys just didn't see the warewolf fleet in front of her"
@@ButzPunk I think their logic was "If we stay he's safe. If we swim he's no longer necessarily safe, but might be needed for something. Thus someone might die later because he stayed."
@@niclastname Fair. I think part of the logic might also have been "it'd be funny if he died, and we want to see how it will happen"
@@ButzPunk Yeah for sure. Idk they certainly didn't care about that character living haha.
It wasn't perfect, but the characters and dialogue were certainly better than ever, and these games don't come out that often, it's not like we're drowning in them, so I think it's fine for them to just be "good enough". I enjoyed it.
The characters were much improved but everything else nosedived, most notably the script. I always look forward to the bros playing these but, honestly, that was disappointing. If it had been longer or tried to put some twists or subplots in I would've felt better. Pity, because while there have been highs and lows with these games they always seem like someone's put the effort in and House Of Ashes was a real improvement; difficult to fault from start to finish. This felt like they'd quartered the budget and started writing the script a week before development began. Maybe next time.
@@synchc I would hard disagree that the script nosedived. Man of Medan and Little Hope both had _awful_ stories. This one wasn't anything special, but easily better than both of those. Until Dawn wasn't bad, but there wasn't really much in terms of explaining anything that I remember. It's been a loooong time on that one though. House of Ashes was a fun story, but also had a large details that just get glossed over as well.
@@niclastname Until Dawn didn't just shove everything in your face which is why it was so good. You learn new things every playthrough, lots of stuff to miss and discover. And there is A LOT to learn in Until Dawn. Much more than any of the other games.
You're kidding right? Until Dawn was the only one with decent characters and dialogue because it was the only one with an experienced writer signed on. They tried to recapture the cheesy dialogue in every subsequent game because they knew people liked it (or atleast responded to it) and it is mostly jarring and poorly sequenced in all of them, especially the quarry,
@@mechafloob You're right, if they were trying to recreate cheesy dialogue of Until Dawn, they failed, instead they produced some genuinely witty and funny characters. Not just slasher tropes masquerading as characters.
I enjoyed this series so much. Gonna miss the Riddle Bros!
I hope you guys play the 2nd game made by the creator of Witch Hunt, Skinwalker Hunt at some point. Or just some more goofy horror games.
Yeah. It's like once or twice a year we see a Simon and Tom collab and they really are the best things on the internet.
SKINWALKER HUNT?! That sounds like a perfect Tom and simon game. I loved their play through of witch hunt so much
I know right! Everytime I see Riddle Bros I stop everything I'm doing to watch the video. 😂
I know the podcast epilogue is pretty downright terrible, but it still provides some info on the outcomes for the remaining survivors, such as whether the kids, or the Hacketts, or nobody, goes to prison for the unexplained deaths. Maybe you should have left it in?
I haven't watched anything about this game or read anything about it at all besides for this channel, so I have to admit, I'm really gutted they left it out. It feels like I got to the last page of a book, and it was torn out.
EDIT: To be fair though I just looked up like the perfect ending, and the podcast host people are unbearable. It really is just awful dialogue.
And now, having finished that video ... wow, it was really anticlimactic and useless. It wasted like twenty minutes time to show 1 picture on a computer screen saying teens acquitted. Doesn't say who ended up with who, so all that character development is useless. Really spoiled the game for me.
The podcast goes on for so long though and it's honestly not that interesting, it's just footnotes and speculation on the whole plot based on the evidence so it's really not worth it, not to mention the hosts being terrible as said before me so looking it up might be worth it for you but I can't recommend it at all lol
I didn't think the podcast was that bad
I guess if it was worth having it in they would've left it in. So most likely nothing happened.
@@thefinal9923 I get why they left the podcast out (I saw one version of it on another playthrough), but they still could have showed the "1 picture on a computer screen" that said whether they were aquitted or arrested. I get that it's not a big deal at the end of the day, but it would have been nice to see.
Sad that there'll probably be no Riddle Bros for a while.
If we're good maybe they'll play Skinwalker Hunt from the maker of Witch Hunt. Another one of those series would be clutch.
The Dark Pictures Anthology: The Devil in Me should release in Fall. Hopefully, our Riddle Bros will play that one too.
I'm surprised they hated max so much I thought he was pretty likable and funny. He was super loyal and pretty reasonable the whole time too.
Hopefully the witch likes wooden boy, who will also never leave you
I liked this one a lot, tho I agree that at the end a lot of the deaths or possible deaths felt very arbitrary and less in control.
While I agree that the overall story could have definitely had some more of a twist to it, I would definitely say this was the most entertaining one. I'm with Tom that it was fun how tropey it was, and the characters were all so much better by being written as more of a self-aware tongue in cheek tone. Dylan was a highlight for sure! Hell, Salim and the marine buddy duo are the only characters I even have any memories of from any of the previous games. The rest have all been so uninteresting and unfun. Basically every character in this game was far more memorable than any of the other games. Even the father son hunters that barely spoke.
I'd say Until Dawn has pretty memorable characters, I think they peaked with that game and have been trying to recapture it ever since. House of Ashes had more of a interesting story/concept but yeah the characters were nothing. With the Dark Pictures ones, it felt like they didn't put as much effort into characters, even the mocap and acting was noticable worse, even though there were some pretty shonky stuff in this one too. In Man of Medan I guess the schtick was the multiplayer possibilities but honestly the "hallucinations" aspect of it was foreshadowed way too early so it was just a bunch of jumpscares, and then I guess because most people would figure out not to murder the other characters they had a bunch of arbitrary endings where they could all get screwed anyway based on something you couldn't possible predict. With Little Hope, I think they messed up by having 2 games in a row where it turned out not to be real all along, also they went a bit too far the other way with not setting up the twist. I'd say the ranking goes UD > HoA for story/TQ for fun >>> the other games.
Sad that we didn’t get closure on Dylan and Ryan’s romance
@@DataMembrain True. We needed to see if Dylan actually called him for a date like he said at the start!
It's been a wild ride, and I hope that we get more Riddle Bros and other duo dynamics again sooner rather than later!
The whole kitchen scene gave me Jurassic park vibes! That’s why I went freezer
Can't believe they didn't think to check on the guy they trapped in the freezer when the sun came up.
@@Steve_Keen yeah also, I could be wrong, but wasn't the power supposed to be out? at worst it would be a bit chilly in there also what kind of freezer can only be opened from the outside?
@@oerwout10 yeah makes 0 sense that he died in there, a walk in freezer will absolutely stay cold for hours after power goes out but there was a handle on the inside so why, when he turned into a human, didn't he just open the door.
1. These games should always have a mystery to them, that was a big problem with The Quarry.
2. The game had too many characters making some of them obsolete as you only play as them a couple times, like Abigail.
3. The ending needed interviews like in Until Dawn, that really tied the story and your actions into a nice bow.
4. The best thing about this game is a lot of stuff can happen, there are a lot of special interactions like everyone getting infected and werewolves not attacking them. So there is more variation than any other one of these games.
5. The ending is VERY underwhelming. Until Dawn and House of Ash ending with all the characters together in one final stand was such a rush.
6. The werewolves are kind of wimpy. Imagine a Wendigo fighting one of them, they would destroy them, but normal humans can melee werewolves in this.
7. Laura was the best character in this, she saved the game. But no one can compare to Mike in Until Dawn, he was the perfect transformation of jerk/jock to hero you root for.
It is a shame House of Ash was wasted in a anthology game instead of being its own thing, because the twist from that was the best of all these games.
I think it has the epilogue interviews. They mentioned editing it out because it was too long.
This one did have a mystery, it was just explained quite a bit before the end: The whole Hackett family drama/curse and the fact that Chris was the one in the basement etc. This one isn't perfect but easily has the most fun characters, and is certainly miles better than Man of Medan and Little Hope. Neither of them had anything going for them aside from Tom and Simon's commentary.
House of Ashes would've been SICK if it got the full game treatment. This game was too much like Until Dawn, but not in a good way. It fell into ALL the clichés that Until Dawn satirized. Really poor decisions from Supermassive ever since they decided to do a lazy anthology collection instead of putting the real effort in.
@@mechafloob Yeah, the twist once they got to the deepest parts of the tunnels seems so wasted now that it's over.
I thought those games were linked in terms of story but afaik it's just the narrator/historian dude afaik from these videos?
@@Dewi-H I don't see them linking up at all since the same faces have been reused in each story
The funniest thing is that they're overthinking all the water warnings: these are just normal liability warnings in America that camps must have for safety and proper drowning rescue
There was an in-game reason for the water warnings that wasn't just normal liability warnings. They just didn't pick the option that revealed what that reason was in this playthrough.
I still don't understand why the Aus kid was thrashing about in the water ... That's what led to the hydrophobia train of thought.
@@synchc He was infected at that point, and the werewolves don't like clear water.
I’m a big fan of this genre honestly. Even when one like this, that doesn’t feel super well thought out or polished, comes out and is still super insanely enjoyable because the interactions and dialogue and watchability are so fun despite the jenkiness, it shows me that they literally only get better at making these games each time. House of Ashes is still my favorite, the twist is so cool and the military trope is my favorite. Like, this didn’t have insane advertising or tons of hype around it (probably because it did seem a little flat or straight forward) but I still made it the whole way through wanting more from these character because they had charm or true-to-life if not a little tongue-in-cheek modern, 21st century personalities and honestly more fun cameos than ever. And at this point, Ryan’s face model is also kind of like seeing an old friend again lol
little fact i learned recently , because the "were" part of werewolf is from the anglo-saxon word for man , the anglo-saxon word for woman is wif and so a female lycanthrope is a wifwolf :)
what about a sheepwolf though 🤔
@@galacticnipple2586 scēapwolf
In keeping with your wordplay, if you want to use the Anglo-Saxon origins and create a new gendered word using the historical roots, the Anglo-Saxon word for wolf was wulf. Your female wolf person would be a wifwulf, as compared to a werewulf.
A woofwoof?
Thanks for this playthrough! Had a blast watching you guys play this sort of choose-your-own-adventure game!
45:10 omfg I saw that coming as soon as Emma and Nick were shown as human, but Tom's reaction was so good
Simon: Maybe it's nice to have a mix of the supernatural and the more ... explainable
Tom: Tangible, physical
Me: Natural?
Loved the series. The ending was a bit anticlimactic, but overall the game was fun. Good characters (love Dylan!). -- I'd like to see you play 'As Dusk Falls' next.
*possible spoilers*
The signs about not going in the water are due to there being razor wire down there which you discover as Jacob if you choose to go after the dropped rotor arm instead of helping Abi early in the game.
Why is there Razor wire in the water?
@@simonsonlyfan8600 If I had to guess, it's to make sure any werewolves that end up in the lake have 0 chance of getting out and die there (since they hate clear water), or at least incapacitate them to make it easy to kill them (or identify by leaving them thrashing in the water until sunrise). I initially thought that the body we saw in the water was a former werewolf caught in that trap, but apparently it's one of the hikers who went missing in the area.
@@Benzux They dump the bodies of hikers killed by werewolves in the lake, that makes sense, but we saw that werewolves wouldn't even try swimming. Razor wire is overkill and could injure the kids, because let's face it, a sign that says to not do something, there's always one kid that does the thing.
Some of the deaths at this point of the game seem pretty cheap
I look forward to these games if only for these videos. Tom and Simon are such a great duo.
Agree with Simon, I still loved House of Ashes the most, putting this 3rd after Until Dawn, but I would watch anything with the Riddle Bros! Hope to see you guys together more often!
Who was the werewolf that had a car dropped on it?? Conveniently missing from the ending montage
Another great series! Loved watching you guys play this!
Also, poor Max 😂
excellent series. Can't wait to watch more of your dual gaming sessions.
the quarry was great but the ending leaves much to be desired, like: in order to find out what happens after the nights done you have to listen to a podcast that blabbers for 20 minutes......? really quite a silly way to end it rather than giving us a satisfying cutscene with the survivors maybe reuniting and showing the police the evidence you gathered and the stuff you saw throughout the game, it would've made the ending feel more like an... end... i guess?
The podcast at the end doesn't really say what happened. The podcast plays during the credits, and there is a picture on the screen the whole time that says whether they were arrested or not, but the podcast itself doesn't say what happened to the counsellors- at least not in the playthrough I watched the podcast on.
I think the two major wins from this game are the dialogue/characters and the relative flexibility with how the game changes via who gets werewolfed (hard to tell on one playthrough). Overall I personally believe that's worth losing the big twist where x is actually y, particularly since in its own way - after Until Dawn and three Dark Pictures - that was also getting pretty predictable. The end definitely rushed a bit and could've tied more together, but what was there was solid.
And I admit I'm willing to admire a game that just has a werewolf story that runs on werewolf rules and lets people go 'oh these are werewolves' halfway into it. It's a decent monster whose only crime is being so well-known that you can't expect the characters to not know what they're dealing with, and that's never stopped the vampire writers.
Yeah, the "crazy wild twist" bit was starting to get so predictable with The Dark Pictures games that it kind of overtook the rest of the game and trained you to just spend the whole time trying to see past the actual story and overthinking it. Which is exactly what Tom and Simon did during this playthrough. I got the sense this time the devs just wanted a straight cheesy monster film that had a lot of variable paths without any sort of deeper mystery.
Plus after that absolutely bonkers 'alien starship' twist in House of Ashes I was worried they were going to start just M Night Shyamalan-ing it and try to continually out crazy themselves. So a straightforward concept is kind of appreciated to me.
I just wish they didn't force you to kill so many of the Hacketts. Like Caleb and Caitlyn are mutually exclusive to survive. The whole point of killing the wolf at the end is to save Caleb and then he just dies in a fridge.
Pulverize @@Jay_Johnson You actually can keep Kaitlyn and Dylan alive along with Caleb, but to do so both of them have to have acute werewolfitis, which causes Caleb to sniff them and bug off instead of trying to murder them. And to do THAT you need to mess up very specific QTEs to get bitten without screwing up enough OTHER QTEs that you drop dead.
@@drakynlp1022 looked this up and the guides I read were wrong. There is a lot of S***ty information around this game.
Honestly though it's been another whole case of just being honest. If the policeman didn't hide everything then they could have worked together from the get go and stopped this WAY earlier. They should have locked all the family members in the electric cages then they'd NEVER have escaped or been any danger. The witch should have told us if there was an alternate way instead of "DONT KILL MY BOY!" like please woman, you're dead and you're clinging onto your child who is a danger to others but who has no life regardless, until suggested otherwise, a bullet was the best option.
As for the evidence, would have been nice for the police to sit everyone down and talk to them about the evidence and what it means i.e how much they strung together and learned
What a great run through! I never saw that many people surviving after the first episode with Tom learning the buttons, how to hold his breath and quick time directions. Sad it's over, these playthroughs are always fun on this channel. Can't wait for the next series.
I love watching you two play these genre of games, hope you play the next dark picture anthology: the devil on me 👍
I really thought they were going to twist that killing Silas was a more questionable choice after the fact. Like rather than the fire being an error in judgement caused by Kaylee and Caleb trying to free Silas, instead it turns out they weren't trying to save anyone, they had just burned down the sideshow with full malice because of 'freak-show'-type hate and because they were on their property or some shit, then the hag cursed them after death (would have made more sense if the fire was set further in the past than six years).
Then they could have had a heel-face-heel turn arc with Travis and the Hackett family. The first time I saw someone shoot Silas, I was so sure that after you killed him it would be revealed that Travis was lying, that you were stupid just for believing Travis at his word when pressed--like of course he's not going to say "yeah my family had it coming". So, after all, killing the 'big-bad white wolf' turns out to be a problematic choice. There was more to the Hacketts somehow, the family was shady, and in killing Silas you somehow get the bad guys off the hook. Like the only good Hackett was the Sheriff one that died in the fire trying to warn/save Harum Scarum crew after finding out about the Hackett kids'/rest-of-the-family's plan.
The more I think about it, the more it feels like that was maybe the plan at some point?
All of the focus on past members of the family (family tree, paintings, etc) makes me think maybe in development they had some 'First born son cursed forever' kind of story, that the circus had originally been burned in the 40s or something instead of present day (Why else would Travis 'not even know this was here' regarding the burned circus arena, his predecessor died there)
I feel like maybe the Devs had more planned like you say (I like your theory), but maybe they were out of time development wise or maybe someone just decided it was getting too complex? I don't know
Eh, I still like Travis too. Of all the evils, he's at least the least bad one.
Yeah like maybe Travis gives her the gun in the lead up to the final showdown because he knows a curse will come on to him if he kills Silas, that's why he is so fretted, cryptic and avoidant with some of his dialouge. It would also explain why the hunt for the White Wolf has failed for so long.
I was really happy to see this from the start till the end. Stay healthy you two.
I enjoyed every minute, I would rate this 2nd among these games, after until dawn but they have all been very entertaining. Riddle bros are top notch bros.
Jingle wolves, jingle wolves.. heeeere's Johnny! 22:33
I felt sure that the "shining bath woman" was just some West Country woman wrapped in foil.
Breaks my heart that this has to end
What an interesting ending to this series. I saw the ending if you DONT kill the werewolf and it is uh... probably the most brutal thing this game has to offer! It was super entertaining to watch The Riddle Bros play this! Hope to see these two play some more games in the future!
they really missed the part where they said unless you kill a werewolf on a full moon the people they bit don't turn back
Their point still stands though, if they catch him as a boy they can still just keep him locked up like they did Max and then murder him when he turns.
@@kpack1993 You can’t catch what you can’t find in the first place. Just because Silas turns human the rest of the month doesn’t mean all of a sudden he would be easier to find. He was a feral child when the hag aka his “mother” found him. The old lady isn’t his birth mother. The hag found him and turned him into a circus attraction. Silas being feral could still help him hide and survive in human form.
Kind of ridiculous that the werewolf containment solution is as simple as "put everyone who's infected on an island" and the Hacketts still set themselves up for disaster
Final summary:
Riddle bros - great as always (and more successful than I expected), really made this enjoyable to watch
Game - Really dropped the ball. Had a good start, but after that fell off. The glitches and animation errors can be overlooked, and the plot was serviceable (though butchered) - but what on earth were the choices about? I’d say the only death that felt fair was Max’s (though you’d think the werewolf would be obvious from the other shore), but the others were so arbitrarily random that it didn’t feel like they made poor choices, just were tricked into it by not being told what the choices actually mean
It should really say "bait" or "trap" instead of "freezer". Game feels rushed in a lot of places. Apparently development time was halved compared to the other games...
@@jfolz actually im pretty sure if you choose the freezer option and dont have the rabbit toy or whatever, kaitlyn locks herself inside the freezer for safety and dies that way instead--for all the possible outcomes related to it, "freezer" is the most accurate description as it definitely implies an equal amount of unsafety to ingeniousness
45:07 Wait- so you're telling me that no one let Caleb out?? How the hell are you supposed to keep him alive then!?
I looked it up and apparently Kaitlyn needs to be infected for him to survive as he ignores her if she is. Kinda bullshit that you need to purposefully fail QTEs to get the best ending
Nice Jurassic park reference with the kitchens and freezer
Somewhere in the game its mentioned 3 ppl have gone missing in the woods 2 hikers and 1 reporter looking for the hikers, its assumed they got accidentally killed by the Hackett werewolves (Caleb or Kaylee on a full moon), and for some reason they hid the reporter's body in the lake. So that is the weird shot of the body tied down in the lake, and why they tried to get ppl not to swim or go into the lake at all.
Geez Laura didn't need to be so harsh on Travis, I know he locked her in a cell for 2 months but she literally just murdered nearly his entire family.
Well, like half of his family. Werewolf Chris chomped a couple of them up. Just shotgunning his mum in the face right in front of him felt pretty bad tho
Technically Laura only killed two-Kaylee and Constance. Werewolf Chris killed Bobby and Jeb, Ryan killed Chris, and Caleb froze to death after the White wolf was slain. Killing two out of six people isn't mudering 'nearly his entire family', even if the rest of them are killed by someone else.
Not sure you can really hold it against anyone for killing them in wolf form. It's not like they look like their human selves, and they're probably going to be killed if they don't defend themselves.
@@andrewthorpe3377 I think it's still pretty understandable to be mad at someone who only killed 1/3rd of your family lol.
@@andrewthorpe3377 The fact the game forces you to kill so many of the Hacketts really annoys me. Like what was the point of Travis going to kill the white wolf at the end if Caleb is going to just die in a fridge anyway. and you can't even save Caleb without killing Caitlynn.
It cant be a twist every time. I personally liked it a lot. Even if it had flaws, it kept me engaged and it was fairly enjoyable.
Lol Abigails lastname was Blyg that translates to shy in Swedish. Real creative writing
Oh god I know it'd been a while so they'd have forgotten but that bit with Max was painful
I thought the whole point of the island is that the werewolves hate water so he's safe to just stay there until morning, was there something I missed?
@@Defnotdiablo minus the fact Max had been a werewolf and locked in on the island, pretty much yeah - he had just returned to normal
@@Calanon no I get that, he's locked on there by Laura because he can't swim out so she knows where he is after she kills Chris, but is there something else hunting at Caleb just being at the exact right place and time to kill max there?
@@Defnotdiablo Yeah, Laura left him there because it was safe. No werewolves could reach the island because they "shun open water" and Max couldn't leave for the same reason, and therefore the safest and fairly obvious option is to just stay there.
@@Defnotdiablo not specifically, just that Caleb and Silas are still werewolves, no reason for him to swim to shore at all
Gutted that this is finally over :(
Same. I wish the Riddle Bros had a more busy schedule of cases to solve. :( I'd watch them literally all year round. Maybe they would get bored of it though, who knows.
I really wanted the rum-running business to tie into the travelling circus, and somehow be a cause for the fire. Also, having the option to save Silas's mother during the fire cutscene seems odd. It didn't really reveal any new information when she went chasing her son into the woods, and it conflicts with the sheriff's story that she died in the fire. It would be interesting to see what the story looks like if you lean into the werewolf team.
You don't save her, she instantly blows up as she goes off into the woods to look for Silas. She dies in the explosion
She did die in the fire either way. If you miss the QTE, she dies and you don't see the rest of the flashback. If you make the QTE you get a little more info, but she never makes it to the forest to look for Silas as she intends. She died in the gas tank explosion at the end of the flashback.
Loved the series, dudes!
Looking forward to some more of The Riddle Bros.!
I'm glad you used that life the way you did.
The horror host in the framing device actually being part of the plot in the end was an interesting direction, I thought that was neat. Shame about Max, though. Won't shed a tear for Jacob, but would've liked to have rescued Max in the end. Ah, well~
It was pretty clear you were supposed to make Max stay on the island and they just wanted to see what happens. In my mind that one was pretty much a freebie. Since there's apparently no payoff besides the slideshow at the end not much was lost.
I thought originally that the water had a curse too and that the quarry was a hive of supernatural events
I think the warning about the water was they just didn't want anyone finding the body.
It would be sheepwolf. Wer- is the term of man (hence werwulf - man wolf).
Tom, you should check out the demo for Contraband Police, it's like Papers Please but you get to do a lot more things - manually searching cars for hidden contraband, etc.
10:43 I believe Simon is talking about once apon a time in Hollywood, where Brad pitt chucks a dogfood can
I would pay Tom and Simon a buncho bucks to talk over a scary movie mystery science theater style
Good game everyone! I had a blast as usual! The riddle bro's are such a good combination together! Me and many other look forward to this every year! Thank you! I wish you all the best and I hope you all have a good day/night!
I will be doing a quick run down of the story below. So spoilers ahead! You have been warned!
So no one knows why Silus was cursed, it's never said anywhere in the game.
The hag, (forgot her name) Found him one day and decided to make him her son, while Also locking him in a cage and showing him off to visitors for money. She had ran this circus before she found him.
Chris's kids Either visit themselves or learn about Silus through the posters.
Kaylee decides to save him and release him, but as we know it didn't go well.
(DON'T LIGHT HAYBALES'S ON FIRE! As a farmers son, I know this already. But please don't, Haybales are just dead grass or crops that didn't grow enough to be sold and are turned into silage. Dry grass burns very fast, That's why wildfires burn so quickly.
Also don't ever try to pick up a haybale or catch one that is falling or rolling down a hill. It might not look like it, but haybales weigh a lot and can easily crush you. A square haybale can weigh over 40 or more pounds. A round haybale can weigh anywhere between 500 to 2,000 pounds. All that grass adds up.) So they caught on fire quickly and burned the entire circus down, while killing everyone but Silus and Chris's kids. Yes, the hag does die. she can not survive the event, she dies to different ways.
Caleb then infects Kaylee later and Chris after her. The older Hackett family, learns of this and tries to help them. But as they need lots of money and don't have much after they quit making moonshine, they decided to do a legal business for once.
The camp! If you put the time into it and monitor the moons, you can have kids live there for 2 months and then have them leave before the full moon shows up. That way you get money and no one gets hurt.
They spend there money on lot's of equipment to find and hunt Silus.
Turns out, the longer someone is a werewolf. The stronger and smarter they become, which is why the Hackett's couldn't find him for over 6 years. Silus decided to run off and hide in the woods for long periods of time, way outside the Hackett search range.
But he would always come back to his cage home. Sometimes he would come near the camp, but not all the time.
At some point, Two people decide to do there own snooping and investigate the rumors of the hag, Hoping to get a good story.
They were a camera man and his reporting lady. Both were killed, But It's not stated how. The Hackett's might of done it. Which causes a rift between Chris and Travis and the older family. That body in the water we saw way back in the early chapters, that was the cameraman.
Because of this, Travis. Who is actually the nicest guy in the show, decides to kidnap the two councilors that arrived early, after Chris infected max. Travis comes off as creepy, but he actually is very compassionate and caring. And to prevent them from being murdered, decided to keep them caged up until they killed Silus, which would save everyone infected. Despite his older family wanting to kill them.
Fun fact, bobby not only was a retired solider, but also had the personality of a 10 year old kid. Which is why he becomes shocked you stabbed him, since he hasn't realized how painful death and wounds are. So that's pretty much it. We already saw the rest of the story play out. So I guess I will just say some facts. Every character in the game can be saved. (except for Kaylee)
Travis had a ugly relationship with his mom and dad, they both saw him as weak and hated him. But would tolerate him if it suited there fancy.
He was my favorite character, he was creepy but he truly didn't mean to be. But Chris and Bobby and Chris's kids did like Travis.
Well, that's all I can think of, so I guess that's it. If you have any questions, I will do my best to answer them. I mainly found this info from the wiki! Have a good day/night everyone and I wish you all the best!
Thank you for this!
@@SgtFlynn-ve7zn Your very welcome! Happy to help!
I liked it it was fun. The characters I liked survived. House of Aashes is still my favorite so far.
I really enjoyed watching this! It has some pacing issues, and the decisions are a bit arbitrary but I did enjoy the story, as it is.
Not sure if they ever figured out they are Laura's clothes and Emma is technically naked cause she wolfed out. The head cannon of them doing swapsies before the cops show up is good though.
Killing these kids with reckless abandon smh.
Lin Shaye is the actress and aye she has basically just became a horror actress since the early 80s
So, the White Wolf lived in the woods, in a purpose built wooden bed/cage/nest and was feral so stayed there the whole time... not moving away. In 6 years the expert wearwolf hunters didn't find any tracks, trails, the nest... in the woods they live in.
I am not sure why you wouldn't put down the wolf boy to lift the curse from everyone else and then also ya know not have werewolves anymore?
The only reason I can think of is if you're trying for a "Witch's team" or "All deaths" playthrough.
The only thing I don't understand is what is the other option at the end even supposed to achieve? Just leave everyone infected? Maybe find some way to detain Silas until he turns back and... experiment on him until you find a cure?
Turns out toms one independent decision “kinda” saved a character woo hoo
So... Most of this game was pretty damn predictable. However there was one I didn't realize until closer towards the end. Throughout the game we occasionally hear the witch whisper "kill them all", which at first I took as her telling the characters to "kill all the werewolves", and then as "kill all the Hackett's". HOWEVER with that final scene of her after Silas was killed I think she was actually saying "kill all the hunters and councilors" directly to the player, as doing so would be the safest thing for Silas.
Simon was thinking about the movie "Better Watch Out," a pretty decent horror movie that you don't expect.
I wonder, if Abi is dead and she didn't get the rabbit and Dylan and Caitlyn never got infected, would using a life in the kitchen restart the entire game?
It sorta makes sense for them to prohibit people swimming in the lake. if a counselor were to see the body and jump in to save it that would be bad. But why even hide the body there at all just bury it in the woods somewhere.
Would like to see a video of you guys watching the best/worst ending
I do wish you hadn’t cut the epilogue out
I can't believe it took you two tries to get the freezer choice right. That scene was ripped straight out of Jurassic Park where the kids trapped the raptor in the freezer.
Well I guess you'll just have to believe it, since it already happened. Not everyone thinks the same way as you.
@@orrhousecreative who pissed in your cheerios lmao
finally been waiting for years
I loved you guys playing through this game
I think this was the best ending we could have hoped for. Well done you two. Best duo in the Yogs.
Ahh man. I was looking forward to a Lilo and Stitch moment where the wolf's arm would suddenly dangle from the undercarriage of the car.
The game had its ups and downs but at least it was entertaining to watch. Also, I really missed these videos with Simon, hopefully we won't have to wait as long for another Riddle Bros. playthrough.
Thank you for the playthrough I loved it!
you know what, it was good and made very good by the riddle bros
This has been so fun to follow, love you guys. Keep playing games!!
ty guys! this was v fun. more riddle bros in future??
This series was great. More Riddle Bros please.
Loved watching you play this game!
44:43 😂😂😂😂😂
A shame they cut the epilogue out, also don't they show a teaser of the next game at the end? Would've been cool if they had reacted to that.
This is not a part of the Dark picture anthology. This was just a one off.
@@Skybreaker1337 Ah true.