Non-Believers of Color: Atheists and Skeptics in the Black Community
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- This short documentary is intended to show the world what it is like to be an African-American Atheist. American culture often assumes that being Black also means being religious, and the mainstream media reinforces this stereotype.
The purpose of this video is not to convert, but to give people something to think about.
Please note: I have no problem with disagreements, and encourage discussion. However, the comments section for this video is being monitored closely. Rude, malicious, or trolling comments will not see the light of day on this page. There will be no tolerance for any kind of bullshit.
This is amazing, I was starting to feel like I was the only black atheist on Earth.
Responses like yours really show me that the work I've put into this (as well as the work I'll be putting into the full length version) is worth it. I want all black non-believers to know they're not alone even when they're surrounded by hyper-religious friends and family.
sweetie there are many of us but many who want to get married or be in a relationship would be ostracized . i am 63 and have been a atheist since i was 12. i always say if gawd is so good why are blacks doing so bad
I thought I was for a very long time.
Being a black atheist from Mississippi is the worst!!! Everybody I know is overly religious.
I'm glad we're out there and slowly growing.
I'm Ethiopian and a PROUD atheist
Warms my heart to hear it. Are you currently living in Ethiopia? I imagine with my limited knowledge of Ethiopia that Atheism is a very rare thing there. If you're living there, what is it like being an Atheist there?
darrinjohnsonnews No i live in Denmark, but to answer your question to be an openly atheist in Ethiopia is suicide :) Ethiopia is deeply religious country, the national identity is based on Orthodox judaic Christianity. so it's very difficult to speak out against religion.you do not have freedom of speech or thought you are censored by the government and church
mase-8220
Sounds absolutely frightening and stifling. I can see why you're not living there anymore!
I could ask the same question, why do u belive in god ? why do you follow christianity ? Science cannot prove or disprove the existence of a flying pink unicorn ethier but that doesn't mean a pink unicorn really excist.. i hope one day you'll grow up and realize that there is no "god" is a stupid human concept made up out of thin air.
pathstogodbyfaithcom Let me aske u this: If you had the power to help all people who are suffering or in need, at no cost or effort to yourself, would you do it? If so, why hasn’t God done this already? Explain why babies are born with serious birth defects, why does "god" create severely handicapped babies. Why would a loving god allow death and suffering ?
I hate when a talented Black Americans/Brown Americans thank to JESUS after they win an award, even if he/she did not ever put a feet in a church. They NEVER give credit for their creativity and themselves. Yak!
I'm a black proud atheist, I like this
Thank you Mr. Thornton!
As a white swedish atheist, this was something I had never even thought about, so it was a big eyeopener for me! Suuuuuper interesting video and I hope that the black atheist community will expand!
As a Kenyan atheist I have always wondered how any African could believe in the same doctrine used to suppress and colonize them. "When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land". Desmond Tutu
LOL at Steve Harvey calling someone else an idiot. Ah, the irony.
As a white atheist I applaud the makers,and the advocates in this video for opening my eyes,and showing me that black atheist community is alive and well.I know it has to be extra difficult for you to make your stance. Keep your chin up,we'll all get there someday. Peace!
Glad to have shown you a part of the black community you may never have realized existed.
darrinjohnsonnews the future is peace or be Damned!
Iam a Hindu but still an aethist in many aspects especially religion. So
Only difference other than Internet I never open up these topics so easily. Bcz it may lead to fight or argument. Never reveal anything weak or controversy of you. Bcz some people are just there to pounce on you
I lost a girlfriend because she said she couldn't imagine having a family with an atheist.
***** Lack of religion has affected the love life of myself and many others I know. You're not alone in that, either.
Excellent... when I think Atheism I think intelligent, a seeker,and empirically based.
Thank you, Freedom! The rapper's name is Greydon Square. You can find him here: th-cam.com/users/greydonsquare
Tell him, Darrin sent you!
"God has a plan" is the theist "get out of Jail free" pass
I've heard that more times than I could ever count, and unfortunately I'm sure I'll hear it plenty more times.
The girlfriends asks (somewhat rhetorically) "how can you love anyone if you don't love god?" But WHY must you love God to love another human being? In fact, many non-Christian religions--like the ancient Greek--have believed there to be gods but didn't expect anyone to love them, and didn't assume that you had to love gods in order to love another human being.
How does that question even make sense? If 2 year olds can love their parents with no knowledge or understanding of what god is, then how in the world can you not love without god? Whoever that script writer is, he/she seriously lacks knowledge.
Ninja07Keaton Good point. Small children can experience love before they even have a concept of god.
Can a 2 year old really love their parents? Is dependency love? And how is that child-parent love the same love thats between two former strangers in a relationship? Sounds awfully Oedipal. Also, how does it make sense to hold your GF's God accountable for the more convenient traits of separate Gods?
I get that you don't want to admit God is real, but your conclusion doesn't follow from your premises.
A lot of people believe God is our conscience. There is the right thing to do, which isn't always easy, but builds character and makes you and the world better. Then there is the wrong thing to do, which may be easy and convenient, but betrays us and our peers in the end. You've got to love God, aka yourself, that voice that truly knows what u must do, to stop yourself from doing wrong and harming yourself and others. Someone with diseased thinking like an addict or or coward will opt for drugs or safety over a possibly difficult opportunity in life.
Hopefully you can see how someone must love themselves and their self-interests to be a fully contributing member to a relationship, while understanding the sacrifices that must be made in the name of peace and love.
thug2ryde
It's not exactly the same, but it is still a proof of concept. The average 2 year old can't even fathom the idea of a god, yet are still capable of feeling love towards their parents.
"A lot of people believe God is our conscience. There is the right thing to do, which isn't always easy, but builds character and makes you and the world better. Then there is the wrong thing to do, which may be easy and convenient, but betrays us and our peers in the end. You've got to love God, aka yourself, that voice that truly knows what u must do, to stop yourself from doing wrong and harming yourself and others. Someone with diseased thinking like an addict or or coward will opt for drugs or safety over a possibly difficult opportunity in life."
Those statements hold no objective barring over reality. Since morality is entirely subjective, anything can qualify as the "right" thing to do and vice versa. You're basically saying that your moral standard supersedes all of ours, which it doesn't.
Second, you are preaching that stupid nonsense "harming someone is wrong" as if it were a moral absolute. So the men and women of our military who fight and die so self righteous hypocritical insects like you enjoy relative happiness and security are monsters in your eyes? Apparently they must be since no one should harm another under any circumstance by your moral standard.
And let's not forget depriving the majority of food, houses, and medical attention so your precious minority can function. All the while telling people they need to serve your god or they will be tortured for eternity is a contradiction even a child could see. What is that, if not harmful? It would be fine if people didn't pretend it was justice, and just accepted it for what it really is, survival of the fittest. It would make people like you more honest pieces of trash.
* goes back to listening to Double Dragon neon OST *
Ninja07Keaton There are people (especially in Western Europe) who grew up in very secular environments, even among atheists, and who never believed in god even in childhood. But they show no inability to love other human beings. For while there was no god in their lives there were other human beings in their lives, people with whom they emotionally bonded.
As an atheist in the South (white, not black) I have only come across maybe 4 black atheists and I find that somewhat disheartening. And the ones I have met had to hide it from their families and communities out of fear of being shunned. I mean, that happens even to a lot or most of white atheists as well, but it seems as though for black atheists it is to a much higher degree and extreme. Only one of the ones I have met has "come out" so-to-speak about his atheism and said that only his father accepted him and stands by him, and that the rest of his family now views him as "evil" and "Satanic".
It's tough at times being a black atheist. I normally keep it to myself to avoid "The Discussion" and the backhanded compliments like "You're ATHEIST?!?! But you're such a good person!"
It's also why I'm still single...
But it's still nice to see there are also few out there and we have a voice.
This was really well done.
Thank you, Sir! Are you a friend of Greydon's?
darrinjohnsonnews Absolutely. We are both members of the Grand Unified collective and have performed together several times. My stage name is Tombstone Da Deadman.
Oh, Tombstone! Greydon mentions you all of the time, plus I've heard some of your work. Yet another seriously talented individual!
darrinjohnsonnews Thanks man! Keep up the good work. It would be awesome if this was a full length documentary.
I'm black, I'm a non-believer, and proud to be both. This video was helpful - well put together. Thanks.
You're welcome, and thank you! I hope to see more of us speaking up about our freethinking, skepticism and non-belief, and my hope is that this mini-doc and the eventual full length doc will help to make that happen.
Yeah, that's nice and all, but you're still a Jayhawk, so the job is unfinished. M-I-Z!!
MKrip808 Haha ..... Missouri loves company.
"How can you love anybody if you can't love God?"
I would stare her in the face and say, "Are you serious?"
woooooooow...... Steve Harvey is waaaay more narrowminded than I thought he was.... he always acts like he knows everything, and that gets on my nerves.. -_- lol. oh well... that's him.
Frankly, the comments on atheism is just the tip of the iceberg.
Wow... lol. that's sad.
You think he's narrow-minded? Have you heard Katt Williams lately?
So true. I can't stand to hear him speak.
Black Atheists Oh lord... :\ I haven't heard him make a comment about atheists but I have heard him make comments against the evolutionary theory.
Damn, I love seeing fellow black atheists. I know that we are all united in our lack of belief in a god, but when you are raised in a Christian environment and you don't believe like everyone else, it gets so lonely. And then add being gay to that... pfft. Black, Atheist, and Gay... the unholy trifecta lol!!
Sidenote: I'm not an atheist because I'm gay. I was a believer and gay at the same time. I only became an atheist after actually taking the time and looking into what I believed and found it had no substance.
Frederick, from the video, had a very similar life experience. As he mentions in the video, he started out as gay and religious before he rejected religion.
But yes, having that trifecta make up your self-identification...I can only imagine. Hopefully you have a support system that helps you with this. It's always good to be able to talk to like-minded people.
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I can say from experience that being able to meet up face-to-face is vastly superior to online interaction. Online communities are still better than nothing, though.
There are black Atheist groups in Texas. Donald Wright, former black church pastor turned Atheist and author of the book "The Only Prayer I'll Ever Pray", operates in Houston. If you do end up back there, you might want to get in touch.
***** I know how difficult it is to be a skeptic or unbeliever. But is it more difficult being gay than being atheist? Neither are especially popular in our black communities.
***** Wow! that's serious considering how much anti-gay prejudice there is in our community. I can tell you that when I was still religious I was antigay. Not a militant homophobe, but someone whose anti-gay prejudice was deeply informed by my Christian upbringing. As my religiosity declined so did my antigay antipathies. But now that I think back on it, I was LESS anti-atheist than I was anti-gay. So, maybe you're right.
That's funny, I've noticed sexuality plays a role, too. I'm a gay, white Jew and I'm not religious whatsoever.
So many people allow fear to keep them from understanding reality. And most of that fear stems from ignorance, the ignorance of when they don't what to understand.
I really wish more people, especially black people would open their eye's and listen to reason.
I love ❤ to see when people wake up
When I tell people I'm agnostic people look at me funny. I find it moderately entertaining.where I live if your not christian your kind of an outcast
I can definitely relate to this. Where are you from, if you don't mind my asking?
P.A.
I'm white and Latino but I would say we NEED more black people to come out as atheists in order to move forward.I did not know there were black atheists until I saw this video so I feel a little better because America can be very isolating as a non believer you are meant to feel lesser like something is wrong with you if you don't believe in God, and I do NOT want people to feel that way.
This program was very good, and I really enjoyed it. I'm a black American male and an atheist. I think the problem with religion is it makes people complacent and enforces narrow mindedness. In my life I have encountered people who says that "they only read the bible", the problem with this is people will close themselves off from other type of reading material and base everything in the world on faith, instead of evidence.
Agreed on all counts, mrknowledgeispower.
Who is the rapper.... love his music!
I'm a southern Black atheist and proud!!!
When I do my expansion, I definitely want to talk to at least two different Southern Black Non-Believers. I, and I'm sure many others, would like to hear your stories.
Am really happy to see another black athiests. .... and great dokument
Happy to know there are more of us out there as well. We just need to make ourselves known to the world!
This is really inspiring for me as a black Atheist, thanks for sharing this video!
Reading messages like these is what makes having created this mini-doc worth it, and why I am currently working on making a full length documentary.
You are most welcome!
There should be a video about Atheist in the Hispanic community!
I'd actually like to feature them more in my upcoming expansion. It is called Non-believers of Color, after all. I'm intrigued to learn more about the experiences of non-believers in the Latino community.
darrinjohnsonnews Please do so! You have my support! Saludos
As a Hispanic Atheist myself I support your suggestion.
Great documentary, really enjoyed it...Just a thought:
If the account of creation as written in the bible is wrong (and it is), there was no Adam & Eve, which means there was no original sin, which means there was no need for salvation through Jesus' death on the cross and his resurrection. In other words, if biblical creationism is wrong, the whole thing comes crashing down.
I always felt this underlying sense of guilt when watching anything related to Steve Harvey that he had some sort of negative view on atheism.
Morgan Quell Don't let comments like his get you down or make you feel guilty. Harvey himself is no one to talk down to anyone. There is nothing shameful about being skeptical and rejecting any religion.
This is awesome, thank you!!!!! I'm a black atheist living in Atlanta, it's insanity. ..
As overwhelmingly Christian as I've heard Atlanta is, there actually is an active black Atheist community there. There in the minority of course, but they're there.
I can only imagine what it is like to be both black and Atheist in the Bible Belt.
Everything should be a choice if that choice does not hurt others.
Half-Filipino, Half-Mexican Atheist here, this was an exceptional documentary and Greydon Square is a fucking hero.
I myself am not black but an atheist! And I see every single comment posted has a response from you! I love seeing the interaction! Keep up the good work man! Thanks for sharing these stories!
You're welcome, and thank you for the kind words!
Im not alone......needed to see this.
Extremely interesting short documentary on Atheism in the African American community...
Thank you, Dave!
You're welcome.
Glad I'm an Atheist. Thank you for uploading this.
While I can understand that currently black atheists have to stand up 'by themselves', because their stigma is even larger than our own, I do hope we can finally put that race issue behind us once and for all and stand as one huge group together.
Cause hell, I miss the black atheist speaking out on atheist festivals and I miss hearing good debates between a black atheist and who-ever else. I like hearing your voices too and I do hope to hear them more often and loudly
Amazing! Even if you disagree with the religious views you cannot DENY that it is a thought provoking and well put together documentary.
Thank you once again, Sis! It's encouragement from you and the fam that makes a project like this possible!
Thanks for this upload. In my 30 years of living I've only met TWO other Black Atheists (Blatheists).
Like the gentleman said at the beginning, church and God and religion as a whole just never made any fucking sense to me, and thankfully my mother infused a healthy skepticism in me at a young age (and she stopped going when I was four). My grandmother was heavily into religion--she's stopped that now, as well...but I don't think she'd ever call herself an atheist, out loud.
Now as an adult, I've had Black people ask me, once they learn I don't believe in God, "well...how did you get like that?" as if I contracted some sort of disease, or incredulously going "oh...really?" I had a friend, whom I admire very much, when I was going through tough times, ask me confusedly "why don't you believe in GOD???", instead of offering me good counsel or useful advice for coping with my circumstances.
Additionally, there seems to be, within Black America, a subculture built around Crazy Church Stories, rife with archetypes, stereotypes, tropes and cliches, that every Black Person Should Just Know. I'm always on the outskirts of those conversations, entertaining though they may be. And as an actor, if I do a play with a majority black cast, inevitably there is some prayer circle before every performance, and I either have to swallow my discomfort or exile myself. Rock and a hard place.
I hope that more and more Blatheists will speak up as time goes on.
I hope so, too. That's part of what this documentary is about: the hope that more black skeptics will speak up.
Interesting to hear about your experience as a black actor in predominately black productions. I can see how there would be awkwardness, and it is interesting to hear accounts of how the religiosity is not just on-camera, but behind the scenes as well.
My hope is that this documentary (and the eventual full-length doc) will help to change this religious stigma that is firmly planted on African-Americans and show that we are not a monolith!
"The desire to continue to learn", Greydon Square has a new fan.
"I would drop dead trying to search for information if I had to" I admire this man so much you don't even know.
Excellent points, summer. Yes, both the whole Atheist community as well as different racial communities can greatly benefit from the acceptance of Non-believers of Color. This would combat this attitude of there being something wrong with someone if they don't believe in a god.
We're just like anyone else, except that we have come to the conclusion that there is no god that we believe in.
Thank you also for hoping things get better for those of us who have to deal with the intersectionality of our people and our lack of faith. It isn't easy (it certainly hasn't been for me), but life isn't about everything being easy, is it?
Keep on growing.
It's good to hear about people who believe in thinking instead of mind-numbing faith without any evidence.
Why is it that people who believe in childish fairy tales without any evidence believe they are right and those who don't are wrong?
Yes, very interesting.
I too would like to see an extended take on this, with people from outside the USA as well.
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nicoleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee (wait, the e in your name is silent?)
Absolutely brilliant documentary my brotha. Keep up the good work. Shout out to all the free thinkers out there.
Black Atheist from the Motor City...
Greydon Square is a genius.
the desire to look, learn more, ask questions... well said.
This is really well made, thanks for bringing it to my attention. I've never faced any real struggle with being an atheist and it's always healthy to hear about someone else's experiences.
I definitely wanted to illuminate the unique experience of black atheism. I'm glad to see people are seeing a new perspective. Thank you for your input!
Hmmm....If you've never had any real struggles with being an atheist are you from a large cosmopolitan urban community? Your picture suggests that you are not from a Black or other religiously drenched minority community. It is really hard being unreligious in those communities.
Excellent documentary! I would very much enjoy watching an extended version, with more subjects, and a chapter dedicated to relations between white and black (or black and non-black) atheists.
The black experience is so different because of black culture is so infused with religion. And not just any religion. Usually a pretty conservative form or christianity (of course, I am ignoring the many black muslims, but one issue at a time).
Frankly, I wish there was a way that I, mediterranean stock white Italian man, could support the struggle of black atheists outside a patronizing environment. But I think that if anything, black atheists are going to play a major role in making all atheists more accepted in society as well. If they can change the perception of atheists in their community and especially in their entertainment and popular culture, that's going to make a major difference for all culture, for all atheists.
I think we need more black atheist musicians, directors, screenwriters. We need black shows were after the atheist fiancee reveals his/her beliefs, there is no break up. Where the discussion is centered not on "what made you an atheist" but on "how could your parents stop talking to you because of that. A child is more important than a sky daddy".
I am not sure about the author's plans about this documentary, but I can see a version that goes more in depth be successful. Even generate that change we would all would like to see.
Forgot to add: kickstarter. I would give this project more than my $0.02.
Hmm...Kickstarter? I'm not sure why it never occurred to me to go through Kickstarter to get a full documentary funded. I just may do that.
Thank you for your compliments and input, Mr. Strada! I definitely did plan on showing more of the Black/White differences in Atheism in an extended version. You're right about the form of Christianity that is often practiced by blacks as being remarkably conservative. I say remarkably, because of Blacks often being associated with the Democratic (and more liberal) party.
The primary way I feel that the conversation on race in the Black community and in the larger Atheist can change is by putting the word out. We have so much media that is saying that it is wrong to be black and Atheist, and as you mentioned, we need more media (T.V., movies, music and online) that says otherwise. We need more examples of blacks being more than just the stereotypical hyper-religious caricatures that we see all day, every day. We have a story that needs to be told, and this is my attempt to do my part to get the word out there.This is a message that can be spread by everyone. Not just blacks.
darrinjohnsonnews add me to the list of people that would love to see a full-length documentary! i think Kickstarter is worth looking into, as well as IndieGoGo and some of the other crowdfunding sites. they all operate a little differently, so one might be a better fit than the others.
this sort of thing always interests me, but i'm a white atheist: i kinda already have a pretty good handle on the whole White Atheist Experience, so i get kind of bored with the average atheism documentary. i'd much rather see and learn about a far more ethnically diverse collection of fellow atheists; not only from a "human condition" standpoint, but also to have a better understanding of the unique difficulties of various cultural backgrounds in regards to being an atheist. i think it would do a tremendous amount of good for atheists in general, especially when it comes to outreach and letting people know that it's okay to not believe in a god, no matter how engrained it might be in that person's culture and upbringing. on the flipside of that, hopefully it will bring a greater awareness to their communities that, yes, atheists are the same loving, successful, intelligent people they always were.
darrinjohnsonnews
Kickstarter isn't the only game in town. Do some research before you decide on a funding vehicle. You may well do better somewhere else. Or you may not. But you won't know until you investigate your options. (I don't have any opinions about, or experience with, any of the different funding options out there, so I can't offer more specific advice.)
darrinjohnsonnews The subject is so ripe for exploration, you would probably have difficulty cutting it down to a single documentary.
The origin of black religiosity is tremendously interesting. But I think you're right to emphasize the portrayal in media, because as a white Canadian whose exposure to black culture is almost exclusively through the media, it is almost impossible to separate black culture from religiosity.
If you decide to do a Kickstarter campaign, I would absolutely contribute.
It's not hard to understand why so many African-Americans have high religiosity. Black churches were the only extra-familial organization they had any control over, so it was the only available support infrastructure for dealing with countless years of racist abuse.
Having said that, the way they treat members of their own community who turn away from Christianity is inexcusable. How can you get mad at someone for rejecting the religion that was forced on his or her ancestors through slavery?
It's time to stop treating African-American atheists as an invisible minority-within-a-minority.
Indeed it is the service that churches have provided that Black community that has helped them have such prominence there. The so-called "New Atheist" movement, that has asked "why aren't there more black Atheists?" would be smart to learn from this. There has been little to no secular alternative for African-Americans to turn to.
The other problem is that, from doing my research for this, I have found that "invisible" is exactly the word to describe black Atheists. Many people that I spoke to, including African-Americans themselves, don't know that there are any black Atheists at all. Many people literally didn't know that we exist. Yet another one of the many goals of this project was to simply illuminate our existence.
darrinjohnsonnews Part of the problem has to do with evangelical denominations. White ex-evangelical atheists who live in predominantly evangelical communities also tend to stay deep in the closet for what I imagine are similar reasons.
White ex-evangelical atheists do tend to get extra noisy on the Internet, though. ;)
Paul T Sjordal I know I'm four months late, but my folks are from Africa, Nigeria. Most people there are religious, my mother is extremely religious, so is this more of a racial thing? I mean religion is not as heavy for blacks in America than it is in any other country/region. Telling my mother that I was atheist was the hardest thing to do for me, let's just say she was not too proud...
Don Ndubuaku I don't think it's a racial thing, but religiosity tends to be higher in places with more poverty and other social ills. It's an understandable emotional crutch for people who are having trouble dealing with the real world.
Paul T Sjordal
Well said, thank you.
Ha, "god" didn't know there's no black/white/yellow/brown, there simply is no race, we are truly one family, thanks Science.
Very interesting video but very harsh and pretty disgusting that the media portrays them like that. Everyone should be allowed to choose their own faith or beliefs, I really hate it when they angle things in the media to try and benefit themselves.
Thankfully in Sweden, a lot people are atheists so you can get a lot of support from other people but really unless you go into the small communities here. Everyone is very accepting of others beliefs. So I've had it very easy, I can't imagine the stuff they have to put up with in other countries though.
Sweden has a lot going for it, and I like to hear that society there is less excluding of those that don't accept religion. Non-believers may not have it as bad here in the States as they do in other countries, but we still have a long way to go. My hope is that this mini-doc (and eventual full-lenth doc) can help us get a little closer to where I feel we should be...
darrinjohnsonnews Interesting enough, none other the very Christian Dr. Martin Luther King talked about how progressive he thought Sweden was. Malcolm X questioned whether King knew that this may have been due to socialism. I wonder whether Sweden's progressiveness (its social democracy included) is due largely to Scandinavian secularism.
What IS truly sad, is the fact that there still are so many "Christians LIGHT" out there, who apologize for Christianity (and religion in general), when there simply is no evidence whatsoever supporting the existence of any God. Another sad little fact is that ALL religion uses some sort of after-life as a "grand prize" for those who believe, when immortality is a profoundly ignorant concept, for idiots only. - I embrace my mortality and I reject any notions that there is a big sky daddy with magic powers to grant me wishes. It's simply not rooted in logic, and anyone apologizing for any form of supernatural make believe shares in the ignorance that is religion. Sorry, but if you STILL believe in God, you're not mature enough to argue with scholars. NO points for you!
This was so great, wish it was longer.
Full length doc is still in the planning stages. Stay tuned!
darrinjohnsonnews I literally forgot I'd seen this and went to the comments to say I wish it was longer...to my surprise I had already watched it and said the same exact thing. It seemed really familiar though lol. Let us know when you've finished it, it is fantastic so far
Fantastic! Thank you for sharing these experiences, these voices. And for being a part of this: “When images are normalized in popular culture, that has a huge impact.”
Thank you very much, Brianne. That quote hits at the very heart of what I'm trying to do here. Frederick, the gay man in this video, actually spoke about how "Dharma and Greg" helped make the gay community seem less alien to those not familiar with it. This was in a soundbite that I wanted to use, but could not fit into this mini-doc. I'm hoping for something like that to happen for Atheism and Black Atheists in particular.
Thanks for this guys. i'm in a boat by myself in southern baptist va. I know i'll have white support (in this issue in VA), but not black and that's the problem. I don't think the majority of my family would understand. I was raised by a very religious family so there would be serious ramifications and misunderstandings of my stance and skepticism. I know that going to college doesn't turn you into an atheist or make you more intelligent per-say, but being the first from my immediate family to go separates me greatly in the ability to use logic and reason. HA Ha i hear y'all now, "welcome to the real struggle buddy". Shit, being a christian you believe that everyone wants to persecute you and your beliefs, when in reality its the people that withhold belief and put forth logical skepticism that bear the persecution.
I can directly relate to a lot of what you said here, Jon. I have at least one family member who has made the claim that college is evil and is some sort of conspiracy to turn people away from God. Most of my family is religious, and I've already experienced their disapproval. I haven't been disowned or anything, but some of my family are clearly not cool with my not being Christan anymore.
As I've stated before, one of my primary goals with this was to let other black skeptics, or skeptics of any color who can relate to the stories being told here, know that there ARE others like them out there and they are not alone. And you, Mr. Colemon, are certainly not alone!
African Americans need to research the history of their religiosity.
I was brought here by the Black Atheists page on FB. Thanks for the great documentary. Subscribed
I'm also a member of the Black Atheists group on Facebook, though I don't post often. Good to see you here, and thank you for the kind words.
As a guy from Denmark, I have always found the word "black community" very stupid. People are not defined by the colour of their skin. People are defined by the their beliefs, their political views, their interests and their actions. Therefore it makes much more sense to speak about the atheist community as they at least have their lack of believe in god in common. I think it sometimes holds individuals back, when they identify too much with something that they just happen to be (like being black, yellow or white. Or being from a country).
Don't be proud of what you just happen to be, be proud of what you have chosen to become. And of course don't judge people for what they just happen to be, judge the for what they have chosen to become.
Anyways, great video. Hopefully it will inspire people to rethink their beliefs in god and start making choices based on rationality.
I've been a mixed race skeptic for the longest time, absolutely loved this documentary. Like many others I grew up being forced to say prayer and sometimes go to church w/ out knowing what its for. I once had a caretaker who was so deeply religious, that whenever I was dropped off at her house, she wouldn't let me do ANYTHING unless I went to church. Last thanksgiving, my dad had friends over and one of them seemed to be really cool. We talked about video games and 3D modeling and stuff, and then he brought God into the conversation and it all broke down. Then of course, I was forced to hold hands and bow my head in prayer. None of it made any sense to me and they didn't respect my own beliefs, or rather lack thereof. I want to just disconnect from all my family and move, I feel as if it would be better than trying to go to family meetings/weddings/funerals with the fear of almost certain rejection.
Churches are on every street, crosses are in every house, bibles are sitting on every desk. I feel like Christianity is a dark swarm that envelops me and I can't see my own path anymore. I'm legit scared and I do not know what to do next.
I would love to see this as a full length documentary. I think it's paced really well and it covers a lot of ground for only being 15 minutes. The editing, lighting and sound are really well done. It looks completely professional.
--This is Niala btw =D
Thank you very much, Niala! I definitely do plan on expanding this in the near future. I'll let you know when I do. And feel free to share this with whoever you'd like to share it with.
Extremely interesting. It's so rare to hear black Atheists speak out.
I wish it was a bit longer, though.
Someone needs to make an epic black Atheist documentary!
A full length doc is in the works! Just working on getting funding for it...
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Wish I could help out with donations, but even though I'm an Atheist, I'm not a rich one. :)
Good luck.
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Ha ha! I know what it's like to not have much money, but thank you for the well wishes!
Thanks for this documentary.
Thank you for the kind words.
Holy crap I remember watching that episode of Good Times when I was little. My Dad got mad and turned the channel.
It's really sad that a lot of my people (Black people) still do not understand that religion and God are two totally separate things. Spirituality came before the creation of religion...of any religion out there. Regarding Black people, Christianity was forced upon you by our enemies. Also see where Christianity even stem from. Islam was also forced upon many Blacks in Africa. Now you tell me..isn't a coincidence that the Arabs forced Islam onto Blacks in Africa while Whites forced Christianity onto us in America yet both of these groups have enslaved and oppressed Blacks for as long as 1600+ years. Yes, I said 1600+ hundred years! 400 for Whites and 1200+ for Arabs. What makes you think that your enemy will give you anything that will benefit you for the better, a religion they've been practicing, and say that it's good for you only taking your spiritual practices away during slavery? You can still love God without conforming to religion. That's what Blacks don't understand and wonder why they are in the condition they are in now. It's because you are actually worshiping your religion and false idols without even realizing it. Christianity is ruining the Black community in America. I am so glad to see more and more Black Americans leaving Christianity these days. Christianity is in decline around the world and not all by force. This is a good start. I am a theist myself, however I am anti-religion. Religion is almost like a social construct to control the spiritual mind and essence of the weak minded. You don't go through Peter, Paul, and Mary to get to God. If you want to ask something, then go straight to God. I have no problem with Black atheists. I actually enjoy having discussions with them about religion and theism/atheism. I can definitely see why they would lack the belief in a deity, higher power, or God. It's totally reasonable when I listen to their arguments about theism.
Ashley M Wow. You're black? If only more black women thought like you did. I might look at them romantically.
Declan Valliantheart It's probably why I attract mostly White guys and Latinos :-O. My mind is an analyzing one that tend to think critically, beyond the BET uncut videos. I don't watch that garbage by the way.
Ashley M You seriously need to have a chat with the sistas. I'm just saying we could've been friends if we had met in real life.
Declan Valliantheart Precisely. Too often do Blacks use insulting words incorrectly, the word sellout being of them. Haha how many humans would you say you hate?
Ashley M Oh. Sellout. Haha. That's what black girls say when a black man dates a white woman. They fail to realise that a lot of them simply make better partners in this day and age. Failure to look inwards. Another plague on the black "community".
How many? Try all of them.
Thank you so much for producing and sharing this.
Thank you for taking the time to watch and leave feedback.
Why is it so taboo or weird if you don't believe in god? Or what they have taught you. Is society that brainwashed? Sheep follow sheep while the wolves look and laugh
I wish it wasn't taboo, and this doc is my attempt to make it less so. The more people talk about it, the less taboo it gets.
Daisy Black Desire
Totally agreed, Daisy Black Desire.
It only taboo in America, but in places like the UK they are mostly atheistic. It depends on where in the UK though.
I especially love the part that talks about representation of black atheists in the media. Interestingly enough, the two movie clips were from movies based of plays by Lorraine Hansberry (an admitted atheist) and Langston Hughes (noted for his religious skepticism). So apparently they were all too familiar of the poor treatment of non-believers in their own community. I wish that someone would do something like that in a broader sense; that is, talk about media representation of atheists as a whole.
Excellent point, TheAtticus! I have to admit that I didn't know that any of these films were based on a Langston Hughes play. Looks like I have more research to do.
darrinjohnsonnews Yeah, Black Nativity was originally a play written by Hughes.
TheAtticus Adam New
I didn't know that! That adds yet another layer of depth to the story. Thank you for the info TheAtticus!
Fantastic video. It helps me feel less alone in this world knowing that I am among fellow black skeptics!
I think this short documentary raises some great points. I do not understand how people can read and understand African American history and the bible and still remain a christian. I appreciate a healthy debate on this subject but sadly I do not believe that we will ever come a point where we can all agree to disagree.
Thank you, Mr. Woods. The day we all agree to disagree seems far away, but any small steps we can make toward that are worth taking.
I do agree with you and I appreciate you bringing awareness to this subject. I have never thought about my 'blackness' being so closely associated with being religious. It makes me wonder about my what does being black really mean.
Brandon Woods That's the eternal question, isn't it? I would only say that don't let anyone, be it other people, the media, the church, black people, white people or brown people, define what blackness is for me.
I had always wondered why I never met many black atheists. It's cool that the movement is growing!
Strikingly intelligent & intellectual people. I'm Irish, so I'm about as pink as you can get, but the rapper's spot on when he talks about the importance of music.
During the centuries of slavery in America, most Blacks had one hope, the promise of a better life in the next world. Hope is a very powerful emotion to help us survive. But music makes us feel alive & feel connected.
Christianity has some of the best tunes & some of the best voices, but for me, some of the lyrics are no so appealing.
Hey, even I like some gospel music, and the influence of Christianity has made it into every major form of music there is. That fact won't make me stop listening to that music.
Thank you also for the kind words David!
Great work with this mini documentary. Hope you continue to explore the topic.
Thank you Mark-Anthony. Plans for further exploration are in their early stages. With the support of people like you, a full length documentary will certainly happen.
I guess being an Atheist Chicano/Mexican in my community is just as bad as a black Atheist. When I told my parents after I got out the Army, I almost though they were going to disown me and even till this day they refuse to accept it.
I've heard it can be difficult to be a Latino Atheist. That is a community that is also very religious, so I definitely feel your pain. I imagine this makes family gatherings potentially difficult. It certainly has made things a little awkward for me and my extended family.
Differences in religion can tear friends and family apart. This is something that I'd like to change.
darrinjohnsonnews Yes it can tear families apart. There is a saying in Mexico about not discussing religion and politics with family & friends because it always leads to a fight.
I guess oppressed people often feel they need something to cling to. Religion is often it.
As a fellow free thinker, I just want to say THANK YOU, Darrin. I found this short doc to be just as compelling and insightful as any Sam Harris, Dawkins, or Hitchens lecture.
Jonathan Baker New Atheists are dogmatic. Sam Harris is a classic example of that.
What a well made video from a perspective that does not get nearly enough attention. It deserves millions instead of only thousands of views. These discussions are so desperately needed. Not that long ago even asking the "wrong" questions about religion used to be taboo, and still is in many churches. All those long years of silence enforced deep ignorance while dishonesty and violence were rewarded. Unquestioning childlike faith naturally led to a passive frame of mind and gullibility in other areas of life besides religion such as social, political, and financial, with crooks enjoying the easy pickings. Yet that will still go on as long as many millions of people refuse or fear to hear another point of view and cling tightly to the past like barnacles on the bottom of an old sinking ship.
Those claiming to have strong faith should not fear hearing an atheist point of view. We atheists should feel welcome to attend a church as their honest selves without having to pretend to believe.
Long ago while visiting with my fundamentalist aunt I tried hard to avoid the subject of religion but it always was hopeless, she’d bring it up anyway no matter how I tried to change the subject. She’d always start up about how I’d “die in my sins”. She had hovered over my dying mother’s bedside singing a hymn into her ear, “Into the heart of Jesus” because Mama was in a pantheist church. You just could not have a rational discussion with her. She seemed to feel good about not having a college education unlike my mother and me and her own son. And yet she was otherwise a very pleasant and intelligent person.
Thank you Dorothyellen. I have had similar experiences with some of my religious relatives. I also agree with the gullibility that some religious people exhibit. In many cases, all a person has to do is claim that whatever they're doing is in the name of God and someone will be convinced that any action the claimant takes is justified.
Solid and well orchestrated/informative short film.
Thank you, Haneed!
No doubt king! Thank you darrinjohnsonnews .
awesome video !!! greetings from Brazil
Thank you Gustavo! Greetings from the U.S.!
More of this please.
Nice brother when I tell them iam atheist they look in awe. However I ask them when they whipped our ancestors with the whip in one hand and the bible in the next. How do you think they got religion into us.
Precisely. I never get adequate answers when I pose that question to anyone. Do you?
The one answer that I received was that he was with us in our pain and suffering. This was said by my cousin.
Dexter Blake
Wouldn't it be better if God just stopped that from happening rather than "suffering with us"?
"I just know that I can't stop looking"
Nailed it...
I knew when big momma stood up, she was gonna smack the shit out of that girl (what movie was that from?). As a black atheist myself, I had seen most of those clips before, and was irritated when I was rewatching Steve Harvey, Oprah, and that TV scene ) (can't remember the name) when the woman asked "How could you love anybody if you don't love god?" - she souned as though she had the mental capacity of a 9 year old. I could have better understood if she said something like "My religion is very important to me, and I am looking for someone Christian to share my life with." Everybody has his or her own preferences. But to question someone's ability to love simply because he or she lacks a faith in a god, is narrow-minded and childish. Not to mention stupid. He got off lucky.
WOW! This warmed my heart. Ive spent a lot of time thinking about this very subject. This needs to be a full length doc. GREAT, GREAT job Mr. Johnson and Thank you!
With a lot of work and a little bit of luck, it will indeed be a full length doc someday soon. Stay tuned...
I've ALWAYS had many questions about the Bible that could never be answered. Plus, many things just didn't make any sense to me. With "extensive" research and interacting (online) with other Free Thinkers such as myself...I stand proud today as a NON-BELIEVER!! :)
That's great to hear, Crystal! This is what other closeted Atheists need to see: that they are not alone and that there are some of us who are willing to be out and proud as Non-believers!
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Please do more videos. This was great.
I'd really love to. Unfortunately, I currently lack the equipment to make any more. Still working on that...
Very good one ,I'm an indian an I can relate to the social opposition of atheists in the black community . I always wanted to know more about atheism in other communites where it is not very acceptable.Good job & all the very best , would like to see a full length documentary .
Thank you, Vikram. The demand for an extension is increasing, which is good to see since I planned on extending it from the very beginning. If you could point me to any media about Indian Atheists, I'd be very interested to read or watch it.
darrinjohnsonnews you can check this page indianatheists.org for info
Excellent. Thanks again!
Very nice video, I enjoyed it! I was always intrigued, even as a young boy, by African Americans latching on to Christianity. The thought that many wouldn't have converted had they not been brought over here against their will left me wondering how many could still become attached to it without really questioning it thoroughly. Why should a person, at no fault of their own, be condemned and shut out of Heaven if they never had the fair opportunity to be exposed to it in the first place? Not that I believe in a heaven, its just part of the conundrum that helped bring me out of my own mind molested ignorance that religious teachings infected me with at my earliest vulnerability. We are all born atheist after all.
Greydon Square is my new favorite rapper! Kardashev Scale is my favorite song so far! Check it out. The lyrics dominate.
Interesting. Really interesting stuff. I hope skeptic/atheist groups can combine whether they define themselves as white or black or whatever. We're ultimately the same.
I appreciate the sentiment, but I think it's the embracing of our cultural differences that is the key.
I don't think I understand. You think white and black people should be in separate groups?
Excellent video.
Thank you, Godis MEME.
You're right it hasn't been easy for me either and life is not about being easy.I feel like somebody finally understands here thank you.
You're welcome, and thank you for the comments and support.
Nice report. Respect to those people in the US to come out for their atheist opinion.
It often takes more bravery than some people expect.
This was well done, inspiring, and informative. I hope to see more in the future. Kudos!
Thank you, Mario. Please stay tuned, as I'm working on expanding this into a full length documentary. Unfortunately, there is a lot of work to be done to even get this project started, but trust me when I say that an expansion is in development!
Excellent video!! We need to talk about this more.
Thank you! Hopefully this will get that conversation moving forward.
I'm black and was never raised with religion which made me study other Ideas and beliefs systems. I remember I was in 6th grade and we were talking about different religions for world history and someone was like why did people believe that. I turned to them and said so Christian belief is different because why?
Do you realize that you are a rare case? Not a non-existent case, but a rare one. I was actually hoping to get someone who was not raised with religion for my documentary. Everyone I did get was raised with it, or was a believer at earlier points in their loves. From my observations, there are philosophical differences between Non-believers who were raised without religion, and those that were believers and then rejected it.
darrinjohnsonnews That's an interesting idea. Have you researched it? I am reminded of Bertrand's Russell's essay in WHY AM AMNOT A CHRISTIAN in which he noticed philosophical and psychological differences between unbelievers from Catholic societies and unbelievers in Protestant countries. It would be interesting to see what you discover about the differences between Black atheists and skeptics who were raised as believers and those who were not.
Great Video. I could never tell my black family that I want to be an Atheist. They feel that's saying I want to worship the devil. Lol. Sad but very true.
I've heard a lot of comparisons between Atheism and devil-worshipping from religious people. Ironically, as an Atheist, you couldn't be any further from a devil-worshipper. I don't think people that make this claim really know what Atheism means.
Very good documentary. I find it an excellent work.
Thank you, Mr. Carmoega.
I feel the biggest point is what the guy said in the beginning that if blacks were never put in slavery would they have found Christianity. The answer is no and if they're so against slavery then why when someone challenges god about how he let slavery occur they automatically say "he works in mysterious ways." It just boggles my mind that people still believe in God. I think karma is real, like if you do good, good things will happen and if you do bad, bad things will happen. But how can people still say that evolution is fake or the big bang theory is fake, its insane. Anyway, awesome documentary, very informative! :D
Good questions, and ones that I have wondered myself. Thank you for the commentary and input.
This was well done. Excellent presentation.
Thank you B redwhiteblue.
Great documentary. Can't wait to see an extended version or similar subject
Thank you, Tawani. There is definitely the demand for it. I am in the beginning stages of planning for an expansion.
Edy the Coyote Encinias thx a million
My heart really goes out to anybody who has fought with their family about religion. I've been there too.
I see a strange echo in another way. My mom's side of the family was all of Irish descent, and there was the same link of church to ethnicity -- in this case, the catholic church. Only in recent years has the bond broken, because of the pedophilia scandal and in Ireland itself the use of young women who had become involved in some local scandal as slave labourers in something called the Magdalene Laundries.