“Of all the monsters I have created, I still regard Darth Vader as something of a minor masterpiece. No, he was not an entirely alchemical creation, but he was my monster nevertheless. Even though he failed to live up to his full potential, there was much pleasure in transforming Anakin Skywalker from a bright-eyed, tousle-headed youth into the greatest Jedi killer of all time. Yes, he ultimately turned against his Master, as monsters sometimes do, but that was my fault, not his. Given the opportunity to create Vader again, I would, and with zeal.” - Palpatine in The Creation of Monsters.
This passage by Palpatine is beyond insulting and an absolute disgusting affront to prophecy of the chosen and original story by George. Absolutely revolting. Palpatine should never come back and the very notion that anakin “failed” is a cheap diminishment to the Anakin’s story arc as a character.
I disagree! In Episode 9, Palpatine says "nothing can stop the return of the Sith!" Anakin also says "bring back the balance, Rey, as I did." These two lines confirm that Anakin DID fulfill his journey and the prophecy in Return of the Jedi. So nothing is diminished really. I think Palpatine coming back is dumb, and it DOES cheapen Anakin sacrificing himself to save Luke, but I don't really worry too much about the chosen one prophecy anymore. Star Wars is much more enjoyable if you just ignore the chosen one thing.
I do agree that Palpatine's return was a horrible idea (both in canon and Legends), but I like this passage a lot considering it's an insight into Palpatine's mind. It's not the writer saying the prophecy didn't matter. It's Palpatine being arrogant and his thoughts on how he was able to corrupt the chosen one. It's that same arrogance and his misinterpretation of the prophecy that justified him allowing the guy everyone said was destined to kill him to become his apprentice.
While he did view Anakin's redemption as pointless as he had plans to return should he die, Palpatine was definitely salty about being betrayed and killed by a slave whom he viewed as a broken shell of the man he could have been. Hence why he tries to do the same to Ben Solo.
Arguably turning into Vader was one act of restoring balance as was throwing palps off a ledge. Ashoka series in ghost world did a nice in explaining. Obiwan’s quote of ‘you were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them’ shows how the Jedi misunderstood the prophecy, as did Sidious.
That's not what balance means in Star Wars. Obi-Wan and the Jedi did actually understand the prophecy. As Lucas and Filoni have said multiple times, the Chosen One prophecy and bringing balance means the destruction of the Sith. That is what brings the Force into balance. There is no such thing as a balance between light and dark. Balance is meant more like harmony or order. You wouldn't say having an equal amount of good and evil within you is better and more harmonious/balanced than having more good. It's about acknowledging that evil/darkness and fighting against it and not allowing it to corrupt you.
As long as there are Jedi the Sith can always come back. As Darth Krayt said in one of the legacy comics (and yes I know they are legends): “Don’t look so surprised. The Sith were always born and reborn from the ranks of the Jedi.” And he is right: every incarnation of the various Sith Orders ever since the Hundred Year Darkness come from Sith Lords that were once Jedi: the Dark Jedi Exiles, their descendants, Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, Revan and Malak, Darth Ruin, Skere Kaan, even Darth Bane became a Sith because of the Brotherhood of Darkness formed by Lord Kaan. The point is there is no reason for the Sith to not return at some point in the future if the Jedi still exist in the galaxy.
Disney wants to over explain the Lucas films. This is also the problem with Windu. Windu was stronger in the fight, that's why Anakin needed to stop him and become a sith knight. After Skylwalker saga Palpatine's ghost existed. Not the full sith lord.
Palpatine Said in episode 9 “nothing will stop the return of the Sith” which Means Anakin did destroy the Sith and Rey is Protecting his legacy by stopping the Sith from coming back. Simple as that bro
Tbh, I really don’t like this take. Palpatine gloating about how Vader’s death meant nothing actually hurts when you realize that palpatine was meant to die in episode 6. His chosen one status didn’t really matter then, as Rey finished off Sidious. Pretty bad story telling Disney.
Snoke was a big let down to me. It made no sense to those of us who had only seen the movies. He was just a generic meaningless seat warmer. Left a bad taste. He had no back story, no reason to suddenly be the new bad guy. There was just a bad guy because good needs something to fight?
The Chosen One part is important for the story but in the way that is just a prophecy. Just because it's a prophecy it doesn't mean it's true. At least, that's what I think and how I see things as they are.
Palpatine Said in episode 9 “nothing will stop the return of the Sith” which Means Anakin did destroy the Sith and Rey is Protecting his legacy by stopping the Sith from coming back.
Ep 9 ruins the franchise even more. They were trying to "create something new", they pooped on the old chatacters, and the resolution involved... palpatine! Emperor of the galaxy and CEO at Disney.
Maybe the chosen one hasn’t arrived yet. I don’t see the problem w/ Palpatine coming back. He done it in legends. I think people just enjoy complaining nowadays 13:30 . Nothing is diminished. This isn’t yours or mine or anyone else’s story to write. Just be glad we have it and quit over analyzing everything about it.
Lucas himself said Anakin was the chosen one. Even though they could have made Rey surpass him, that involves some clever writing. Anakin was a product of the force...
Yes, that is the official canon reason given in The Last Jedi and its novelization. Luke training Ben Solo and Ben’s corruption by Snoke is what created imbalance in the Force.
Once palpatine comes back, everyone jumps on that saying that it Makes Anakins Sacrifice completely meaningless but no, he did what the prophecy said, that a Child with no father will take down the sith, didn't say for how long. It still saved the rebellion, it created peace and gave 3 decades of democracy and freedom. It also stands that peace is never permanent and defeating evil is an effort each generation must face.
@@dylanmorgan2374 I do not care for Episodes 7-9, however it should be pointed out that even in Star Wars Legends, the Sith still return. There are characters like Joruus C’Boath (probably spelt that wrong) and other Dark Jedi and then the Sith return in the Legacy of the Force series. Anakin’s sacrifice wasn’t demeaned in any way because as long as there are force users, the chances of falling to the dark side and recreating the Sith is always there.
It fully destroyed his story and every character luke and solo. Had anikan force ghost killed his spirit that is the only way Disney could fix it. The only good thing is ian acting and it was great but he should of refused the roll.
Palpatine's new clone body is weaker than his original body, and was defeated by a descendent of another one of his clones. i think the clone aspect here distinguished it from the "original palpatine" and chosen one prophecy. i think the poetic symmetry from this perspective is cool and creates a sort of closed loop of a good clone defeating the bad clone.
When I heard that the EU was becoming Legends, my first thought was "well so long as the emperor doesn't come back or get cloned, it might be a good thing". Well crap.
Palpatine: "I'll tell you the truth about your father! The great Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask! Yes, that mask inspired terror throughout the Galaxy... but the feeble heart within was forever possessed by the IMPOTENT side of the Force!"
Palpatine was the sum total of the Sith. To assume the Sith mantle you had to destroy the Sith master. Darth Maul was robbed of assuming the mantle and later became a rival but no match for Palpatine. Anakin was a Jedi but a non traditional Jedi and never achieved master despite his great power. So Vader in the end did destroy the Sith. George Lucas script for seven, eight, and nine had Darth maul trying to resurrect the Sith with a new beginning with Darth Talon as his apprentice. With Leigh being the lead antagonist by establish the new republic. Clone wars altar of mortis gave a for shadow of Anakin future. With father’s daughter who symbolizes the light represents Luke and the son who represents darkness symbolizes Leigh via politics. Leigh rejected Luke’s training because she had a vision of her son dying and she turning to the dark side. It would have been interesting to have seen George Lucas’s actual vision.
1. The fact that Palpatine had to transfer his life force means Anakin killed him, bringing balance. 2. Palpatine returning was perfect. Not only was he a former shell of himself, he was confined. I think that this part of the story could have been done better. Even if he made a full recovery, he would have never been the Palpatine of old. 3. Luke was able to continue the Jedi order, which was all but extinct. 4. The Galaxy had a chance to fight back, whereas it would not have if there were two death stars roaming the Galaxy unchecked. 5. Anakin brought balance by being born, stopping the trade federation as a child, showing those sand people what a blade tastes like, showing the Jedi that they have fallen from greatness during order 66, And finally bringing much-needed balance by tossing palpatine's spoiled ass off a balcony. He brought even more balance when he had Luke who popped 2 death Stars like a balloon. Anakin did his job
The Sith died in Ep. VI prophecy fulfilled George Lucas’s story was finished. They ruined it by bringing him back with an explanation of “somehow” lol…. I will always hold it with George. But George Lucas created it. I disagree with you, though the chosen one prophecy makes the movies that much better.
He didn't have any thoughts on it because he was dead. In my mind he stayed dead. Out of all the dumb choices they made with the sequel trilogy bringing back Palpatine was the dumbest, even though he is one of the best full on evil villains of all time and Ian plays him perfectly. I can't fault his performance in any of the films. It's well trod ground as to why it's a bad idea to bring him back, so I'll just say one thing about it-it totally undoes everything Like did to save his father and it spits in the face of the sacrifice Anakin made to save his son. Ultimately it's just a film franchise and it's fiction so if someone else likes that they brought him back that's ok. I don't like it and I don't really accept it but it's not like I spend much time on the topic. It was Disney's IP, Disney hired people through Lucasfilm to write the last movie and that's what they decided to write. It's fiction. You can make up wherever you are want to. Some people will like it some people won't. There's no perfect film that everyone likes.
I am going on 41 years old and loved DARK EMPIRE trilogy. It made The Emperor very slick and always plotting showing why he was always a big threat. (Plus it was early 90s prequels never existed yet , of course but I love the prequels as well lol). I never felt Anakin/Vader sacrifice being meaningless cause ultimately Vader was redeemed by his sacrifice and live for his son, Luke. I hated the sequel trilogy and Rise of Skywalker plagiarism of Dark Empire and no where as good, not even close. "Some how The Emperor has returned"...😐😐....okay annnnd...lol. I mean hey it's okay if you like the sequels but when you see the E.U (also cause in my generation that's all there was.) It was done with this love for the O G lore and characters that made sense showing progression instead of regressing which just felt pointless. I dunno....I ranted and spoke about this many times but E.U/Legends Palpatine revival was done way better with better context and showed how he died before Vader killed him on the 2nd Death Star and showed how " He cheated Death" going back to the prequels when they finally arrived on film.
Are jedi and sith religions? I thought religion was blind faith, the force is a Real tangible thing in star wars. Would that still be a religion... If not, what Would it be?
@RetneysHolocron that definitely sounds like one then✌🏻honored by the reply, long time listener. You probably help me go to sleep more than any other youtuber but I promise you that's a compliment coming from me.
No, it actually destroys Anakin's story. All challenges he overcame, his tragic fall turns out to be actually pointless. It was a great turn of events, when Darth Vader, plagued by 20 years of darkness and mistakes eventually comes back, sacrifising himself and bringing balance to the force. And here comes "ah, nevermind, some random girl, who once ludicrously waved around the lightsaber is actually going to kill Palpatine. Why? Just why not". There is a great rule in science. It says: "Don't try to find an intricate answer to a question, if a perfectly fitting answer already exists".
Just my $.02: I dont think the issue exactly is that Palpatine came back, but HOW it was done. Sure, Palpatine coming back in Legends was dumb, but at least it was explained and handled way better than in "Disney canon." Palpatine's return in Episode 9 was extremely clumsy and ham-fisted. It was evident that Mickey Mouse had no idea what he was doing and Papa Palps was only brought back for one reason: the $$$$$ *Edit: I don't care that Palpatine's return was explained after the fact in comics and novels which came out after Ep. 9. Disney could have handled that entire story arc way better than they did.
I respect your opinion, but I’m never going against George and again is the chosen one that’s the prophecy no, it’s not law but it didn’t say a Jedi would restore balance. They even said it’s misread it was when Vader becomes Anakin and dies…. of course you could bring more dark siders. The original Sith….are gone. The prophecy is fulfilled. Of course they will have evil. It will always exist. That’s why George had his sequel trilogy and he wishes there is a time machine to go back to not sell it.
He died just as Lucas says himself and he never comes back. Anyone can try and say what they want. It ruins the story of star wars,one of the stupidest things ever done in movies or story telling. Make any excuse you want,it never happened
My question is if everyone supposedly loved the EU, in which Palestine survived, what's the problem now? Oh yeah, big bad Disney! 😂 It's just a film folks.
People also give Dark Empire a pass because it was written before the Prequels, when George introduced the chosen one prophecy. But personally I think Palpatine's return still undermines the act of Vader sacrificing himself to save his son. I care more about him redeeming himself to save Luke than I do about an ancient prophecy
I respect your opinion, but I’m never going against George and again is the chosen one that’s the prophecy no, it’s not law but it didn’t say a Jedi would restore balance. They even said it’s misread it was when Vader becomes Anakin and dies…. of course you could bring more dark siders. The original Sith….are gone. The prophecy is fulfilled. Of course they will have evil. It will always exist. That’s why George had his sequel trilogy and he wishes there is a time machine to go back to not sell it.
“Of all the monsters I have created, I still regard Darth Vader as something of a minor masterpiece. No, he was not an entirely alchemical creation, but he was my monster nevertheless. Even though he failed to live up to his full potential, there was much pleasure in transforming Anakin Skywalker from a bright-eyed, tousle-headed youth into the greatest Jedi killer of all time. Yes, he ultimately turned against his Master, as monsters sometimes do, but that was my fault, not his. Given the opportunity to create Vader again, I would, and with zeal.”
- Palpatine in The Creation of Monsters.
Is this a book? Or a comic? I want to read more
Palpatine died in episode 6
Or did he 😏
@@swedishfarmboy07 but he somehow didn't 🧐
Facts. They can keep that Disney bullshit
@@MichaelMedici61W2 technically EU did it first but hey i'm just joking here alright👍
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This passage by Palpatine is beyond insulting and an absolute disgusting affront to prophecy of the chosen and original story by George. Absolutely revolting. Palpatine should never come back and the very notion that anakin “failed” is a cheap diminishment to the Anakin’s story arc as a character.
I disagree! In Episode 9, Palpatine says "nothing can stop the return of the Sith!" Anakin also says "bring back the balance, Rey, as I did."
These two lines confirm that Anakin DID fulfill his journey and the prophecy in Return of the Jedi. So nothing is diminished really. I think Palpatine coming back is dumb, and it DOES cheapen Anakin sacrificing himself to save Luke, but I don't really worry too much about the chosen one prophecy anymore. Star Wars is much more enjoyable if you just ignore the chosen one thing.
I do agree that Palpatine's return was a horrible idea (both in canon and Legends), but I like this passage a lot considering it's an insight into Palpatine's mind. It's not the writer saying the prophecy didn't matter. It's Palpatine being arrogant and his thoughts on how he was able to corrupt the chosen one. It's that same arrogance and his misinterpretation of the prophecy that justified him allowing the guy everyone said was destined to kill him to become his apprentice.
While he did view Anakin's redemption as pointless as he had plans to return should he die, Palpatine was definitely salty about being betrayed and killed by a slave whom he viewed as a broken shell of the man he could have been. Hence why he tries to do the same to Ben Solo.
Palpatine said in Episode IX that he actually died but used essence transfer to survive
I love your take on the Prophecy of the Chosen one. I like how you look at the Sith as an ideal that could be brought back.
Arguably turning into Vader was one act of restoring balance as was throwing palps off a ledge. Ashoka series in ghost world did a nice in explaining. Obiwan’s quote of ‘you were supposed to destroy the Sith, not join them’ shows how the Jedi misunderstood the prophecy, as did Sidious.
That's not what balance means in Star Wars. Obi-Wan and the Jedi did actually understand the prophecy. As Lucas and Filoni have said multiple times, the Chosen One prophecy and bringing balance means the destruction of the Sith. That is what brings the Force into balance. There is no such thing as a balance between light and dark. Balance is meant more like harmony or order. You wouldn't say having an equal amount of good and evil within you is better and more harmonious/balanced than having more good. It's about acknowledging that evil/darkness and fighting against it and not allowing it to corrupt you.
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Very well said. I completely agree.
As long as there are Jedi the Sith can always come back. As Darth Krayt said in one of the legacy comics (and yes I know they are legends): “Don’t look so surprised. The Sith were always born and reborn from the ranks of the Jedi.”
And he is right: every incarnation of the various Sith Orders ever since the Hundred Year Darkness come from Sith Lords that were once Jedi: the Dark Jedi Exiles, their descendants, Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma, Revan and Malak, Darth Ruin, Skere Kaan, even Darth Bane became a Sith because of the Brotherhood of Darkness formed by Lord Kaan.
The point is there is no reason for the Sith to not return at some point in the future if the Jedi still exist in the galaxy.
Right! Because a Jedi can always turn. Thanks for sharing the info.
Disney wants to over explain the Lucas films. This is also the problem with Windu. Windu was stronger in the fight, that's why Anakin needed to stop him and become a sith knight. After Skylwalker saga Palpatine's ghost existed. Not the full sith lord.
Palpatine Said in episode 9 “nothing will stop the return of the Sith” which Means Anakin did destroy the Sith and Rey is Protecting his legacy by stopping the Sith from coming back. Simple as that bro
@@theforcedragon3781 Rey is not in the canon, no one can force episodes 7-9 into it.
If you refuse to acknowledge that there can be a counter argument then your arguments are invalid and pointless.
Tbh, I really don’t like this take. Palpatine gloating about how Vader’s death meant nothing actually hurts when you realize that palpatine was meant to die in episode 6. His chosen one status didn’t really matter then, as Rey finished off Sidious. Pretty bad story telling Disney.
Snoke was a big let down to me. It made no sense to those of us who had only seen the movies. He was just a generic meaningless seat warmer.
Left a bad taste. He had no back story, no reason to suddenly be the new bad guy. There was just a bad guy because good needs something to fight?
No, Anakin might've served his purpose by weakening the Sith for the time needed.
The Chosen One part is important for the story but in the way that is just a prophecy. Just because it's a prophecy it doesn't mean it's true. At least, that's what I think and how I see things as they are.
Lucas said that Anakin is the chosen one.
Nice video I really enjoy these types of videos of palpatine and his thoughts
Palpatine Said in episode 9 “nothing will stop the return of the Sith” which Means Anakin did destroy the Sith and Rey is Protecting his legacy by stopping the Sith from coming back.
His last thought was, "Oh f...!"
great video!
Palps is vitiate nuff sed.
Seriously tho anakin did bring balance to the force....multiple times...half the time
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Ep 9 ruins the franchise even more. They were trying to "create something new", they pooped on the old chatacters, and the resolution involved... palpatine! Emperor of the galaxy and CEO at Disney.
It's a multi-generational saga.
Dude in the book he don't die dark empire is all about Luke being a sith lord leha saved him
Maybe the chosen one hasn’t arrived yet. I don’t see the problem w/ Palpatine coming back. He done it in legends. I think people just enjoy complaining nowadays 13:30 . Nothing is diminished. This isn’t yours or mine or anyone else’s story to write. Just be glad we have it and quit over analyzing everything about it.
Lucas himself said Anakin was the chosen one. Even though they could have made Rey surpass him, that involves some clever writing. Anakin was a product of the force...
did you just say when Ben Solo become a Jedi that's when The Balance in The Force Broke? that makes no sense to me!? or i could have heard you wrong?
Yes, that is the official canon reason given in The Last Jedi and its novelization. Luke training Ben Solo and Ben’s corruption by Snoke is what created imbalance in the Force.
@ so both of those things?
Once palpatine comes back, everyone jumps on that saying that it Makes Anakins Sacrifice completely meaningless but no, he did what the prophecy said, that a Child with no father will take down the sith, didn't say for how long. It still saved the rebellion, it created peace and gave 3 decades of democracy and freedom. It also stands that peace is never permanent and defeating evil is an effort each generation must face.
EXACTLY! Ugh it makes me so angry people just refuse to see this fact and turn their brains off like Karen’s
I agree with this 100%. They weren't able to build in a coherent way.
@@dylanmorgan2374 I do not care for Episodes 7-9, however it should be pointed out that even in Star Wars Legends, the Sith still return. There are characters like Joruus C’Boath (probably spelt that wrong) and other Dark Jedi and then the Sith return in the Legacy of the Force series. Anakin’s sacrifice wasn’t demeaned in any way because as long as there are force users, the chances of falling to the dark side and recreating the Sith is always there.
It fully destroyed his story and every character luke and solo. Had anikan force ghost killed his spirit that is the only way Disney could fix it. The only good thing is ian acting and it was great but he should of refused the roll.
George Lucas Star Wars is the only real Star Wars. The rest …I’m sorry is crap money grab. Remember that
Star Wars is not a Space Opera. There's no one singing.
Palpatine's new clone body is weaker than his original body, and was defeated by a descendent of another one of his clones.
i think the clone aspect here distinguished it from the "original palpatine" and chosen one prophecy. i think the poetic symmetry from this perspective is cool and creates a sort of closed loop of a good clone defeating the bad clone.
When I heard that the EU was becoming Legends, my first thought was "well so long as the emperor doesn't come back or get cloned, it might be a good thing". Well crap.
Palpatine: "I'll tell you the truth about your father! The great Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask! Yes, that mask inspired terror throughout the Galaxy... but the feeble heart within was forever possessed by the IMPOTENT side of the Force!"
Somehow Palpatine returned...
Palpatine was the sum total of the Sith. To assume the Sith mantle you had to destroy the Sith master. Darth Maul was robbed of assuming the mantle and later became a rival but no match for Palpatine. Anakin was a Jedi but a non traditional Jedi and never achieved master despite his great power. So Vader in the end did destroy the Sith. George Lucas script for seven, eight, and nine had Darth maul trying to resurrect the Sith with a new beginning with Darth Talon as his apprentice. With Leigh being the lead antagonist by establish the new republic. Clone wars altar of mortis gave a for shadow of Anakin future. With father’s daughter who symbolizes the light represents Luke and the son who represents darkness symbolizes Leigh via politics. Leigh rejected Luke’s training because she had a vision of her son dying and she turning to the dark side. It would have been interesting to have seen George Lucas’s actual vision.
1. The fact that Palpatine had to transfer his life force means Anakin killed him, bringing balance.
2. Palpatine returning was perfect. Not only was he a former shell of himself, he was confined. I think that this part of the story could have been done better. Even if he made a full recovery, he would have never been the Palpatine of old.
3. Luke was able to continue the Jedi order, which was all but extinct.
4. The Galaxy had a chance to fight back, whereas it would not have if there were two death stars roaming the Galaxy unchecked.
5. Anakin brought balance by being born, stopping the trade federation as a child, showing those sand people what a blade tastes like, showing the Jedi that they have fallen from greatness during order 66, And finally bringing much-needed balance by tossing palpatine's spoiled ass off a balcony. He brought even more balance when he had Luke who popped 2 death Stars like a balloon.
Anakin did his job
Disney wars isn't star wars
The Sith died in Ep. VI prophecy fulfilled George Lucas’s story was finished. They ruined it by bringing him back with an explanation of “somehow” lol…. I will always hold it with George. But George Lucas created it. I disagree with you, though the chosen one prophecy makes the movies that much better.
He didn't have any thoughts on it because he was dead. In my mind he stayed dead. Out of all the dumb choices they made with the sequel trilogy bringing back Palpatine was the dumbest, even though he is one of the best full on evil villains of all time and Ian plays him perfectly. I can't fault his performance in any of the films. It's well trod ground as to why it's a bad idea to bring him back, so I'll just say one thing about it-it totally undoes everything Like did to save his father and it spits in the face of the sacrifice Anakin made to save his son.
Ultimately it's just a film franchise and it's fiction so if someone else likes that they brought him back that's ok. I don't like it and I don't really accept it but it's not like I spend much time on the topic. It was Disney's IP, Disney hired people through Lucasfilm to write the last movie and that's what they decided to write. It's fiction. You can make up wherever you are want to. Some people will like it some people won't. There's no perfect film that everyone likes.
I can’t wait until they fuck with the lore more in the new trilogy 🫠
I am going on 41 years old and loved DARK EMPIRE trilogy. It made The Emperor very slick and always plotting showing why he was always a big threat. (Plus it was early 90s prequels never existed yet , of course but I love the prequels as well lol).
I never felt Anakin/Vader sacrifice being meaningless cause ultimately Vader was redeemed by his sacrifice and live for his son, Luke.
I hated the sequel trilogy and Rise of Skywalker plagiarism of Dark Empire and no where as good, not even close. "Some how The Emperor has returned"...😐😐....okay annnnd...lol.
I mean hey it's okay if you like the sequels but when you see the E.U (also cause in my generation that's all there was.) It was done with this love for the O G lore and characters that made sense showing progression instead of regressing which just felt pointless.
I dunno....I ranted and spoke about this many times but E.U/Legends Palpatine revival was done way better with better context and showed how he died before Vader killed him on the 2nd Death Star and showed how " He cheated Death" going back to the prequels when they finally arrived on film.
Sith coming back is fine but bringing back Palps and planet killing Star Destroyers or the planet killer in Ep7 was dumb.
Are jedi and sith religions? I thought religion was blind faith, the force is a Real tangible thing in star wars. Would that still be a religion... If not, what Would it be?
Jedi and Sith are religions. They have their own beliefs and tenets about how the Force should be worshipped, served, used, etc
@RetneysHolocron that definitely sounds like one then✌🏻honored by the reply, long time listener. You probably help me go to sleep more than any other youtuber but I promise you that's a compliment coming from me.
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No, it actually destroys Anakin's story. All challenges he overcame, his tragic fall turns out to be actually pointless. It was a great turn of events, when Darth Vader, plagued by 20 years of darkness and mistakes eventually comes back, sacrifising himself and bringing balance to the force. And here comes "ah, nevermind, some random girl, who once ludicrously waved around the lightsaber is actually going to kill Palpatine. Why? Just why not".
There is a great rule in science. It says: "Don't try to find an intricate answer to a question, if a perfectly fitting answer already exists".
Even in Legends palpatine, died three deaths
Just my $.02: I dont think the issue exactly is that Palpatine came back, but HOW it was done. Sure, Palpatine coming back in Legends was dumb, but at least it was explained and handled way better than in "Disney canon." Palpatine's return in Episode 9 was extremely clumsy and ham-fisted. It was evident that Mickey Mouse had no idea what he was doing and Papa Palps was only brought back for one reason: the $$$$$
*Edit: I don't care that Palpatine's return was explained after the fact in comics and novels which came out after Ep. 9. Disney could have handled that entire story arc way better than they did.
I respect your opinion, but I’m never going against George and again is the chosen one that’s the prophecy no, it’s not law but it didn’t say a Jedi would restore balance. They even said it’s misread it was when Vader becomes Anakin and dies…. of course you could bring more dark siders. The original Sith….are gone. The prophecy is fulfilled. Of course they will have evil. It will always exist. That’s why George had his sequel trilogy and he wishes there is a time machine to go back to not sell it.
He died just as Lucas says himself and he never comes back. Anyone can try and say what they want. It ruins the story of star wars,one of the stupidest things ever done in movies or story telling. Make any excuse you want,it never happened
My question is if everyone supposedly loved the EU, in which Palestine survived, what's the problem now? Oh yeah, big bad Disney! 😂 It's just a film folks.
People also give Dark Empire a pass because it was written before the Prequels, when George introduced the chosen one prophecy. But personally I think Palpatine's return still undermines the act of Vader sacrificing himself to save his son. I care more about him redeeming himself to save Luke than I do about an ancient prophecy
…yeah it’s still a terrible idea and indeed cheapens the Anakin arc. Just lazy writing.
“Nothing will stop the *Return* of the Sith” -Palpatine
The sequel trilogy is horrible even though they had chances to make it good. I try to pretend it’s just a fan made film. That’s what they are.
I respect your opinion, but I’m never going against George and again is the chosen one that’s the prophecy no, it’s not law but it didn’t say a Jedi would restore balance. They even said it’s misread it was when Vader becomes Anakin and dies…. of course you could bring more dark siders. The original Sith….are gone. The prophecy is fulfilled. Of course they will have evil. It will always exist. That’s why George had his sequel trilogy and he wishes there is a time machine to go back to not sell it.
The sequel trilogy is horrible even though they had chances to make it good. I try to pretend it’s just a fan made film. That’s what they are.