Slam Meta Has Arrived
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- These changes to slams are pretty insane and got me rethinking everything to yolo slams and hit enemy real hard with no regrets.
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I would love to see you do this over chieftain rf. There are just too many multipliers not to do this. I think you are right, you probably can do sanctum on a slam build....crazy.
Fire convert chieftain with a seven link and infinite power will be insane as well. Stacking war cry effect with infernal cry + herald of ash will give a stupid amount of phys as extra fire
Infinite power will only work if u press warcry yourself. Piano gameplay is sad
@@XisnotinX Infernal cry will work because it's power doesn't scale with any buff. It scales with "covered in ash" debuff which isn't excluded by autoexertion.
@@milosz204 infernal cry no longer covers enemies in ash
@@XisnotinX True. I missed that
@@XisnotinX u just piano very important warcries where u need power and others just automate
I'm actually more interested in playing chieftain slams than berserker because i think that infinite warcry power without having to use redblade and being able to use a two handed weapon just seems absolutely crazy
Fully agree on this!
same, i see chieftain way more as a slam build, double exerts seems kinda useless.
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since armor stacking is dead, this is probably what i will do, and you can get the rage on tree but not the inc effect or more dmg, but you get fist of war still so idk 7L without take 10inc dmg is kinda good
But then you cannot use autoexertion. With autoexertion, you don't gain buffs from infinite power.
Lance, your joy and energy always bring life back to my withered bones. Thanks for existing and doing what you do, mang.
Some things to consider:
-Pride and Flesh and stone now multiply each other. Madness since both are affected by aura effect
- Bleed slams can be insane now! Aggravation, if we can make sure we can keep it on Fist of War and Ruthless... Madness
- Chieftain and Jug can achieve 35%+ life regen per sec.
- Area of effect for slams can reach 250% easily (that is beyond screen wide for Vaal Ground Slam, Sunderland, Earthshaker transfigured version etc)
how can you easily reach +250% AoE on slams?
@@miflofbierculles5117 fist of war, warcries with buff effect, (that's easily 180%), there are new notes on the tree that also give attack speed etc, than you also have the 2 hander notes and the masteries. 250% is just the easy to reach number....thats without other supports or clusters or out of the way notes. If you go hit based slams you got Pulverize (44%), carcas jack, karui ward, Dying sun, Starforge....jewels, clusters there is so much man.
@@Vulgaels with warcry buff effect you mean seismic cry? the 50% more aoe isnt actually a buff tho so will it even get affected by buff effect?
@Zeyhn I believe it does plus the generic increases of area effect, but even If not there is so much aoe as I listed
@@Vulgaels I just tested it with 60% buff effect and current Seismic Cry and did not see any increase at all, I do agree tho that there is a lot of other sources of AOE, I am excited to try it out on league start!
Been trying to come up with a slam build and it is tough. I don't know if I wanna go berserker or chieftain. Berserker lets you focus on rage stacking, seems to deal more damage and has double exerted attacks for comfiness. Chieftain you get a 7L + Infinite power warcries and also pretty easy ~85% max elemental res (combined with a lightning coil). On both of them though, it seems crit is a no-go, at least until a lot of investment, and you're gonna be resolute techniques. Been also trying to decide if impale is worth it or not. In PoB it gives tons of damage (you can download a 3.25 beta tree), but takes a support gem + 7-8 points of investment to use it. Also thinking about using the Impaler Keystone along with it.
Lots of stuff to figure out and work with. It is really interesting. Haven't played a slam build since they were first added. I actually don't mind pianoing warcries, but that may change if you're not berserker and getting double exerted attacks. Chieftain also seems that it may be good to get some of the warcry buff effect on the tree since you're always at max. Gonna be interesting to see how all this turns out.
Bud just go Jug, enjoy immortality and go bleed slam. U get 450% bleed multi from tree especially if end game you go crit....Endurance charges and warcries will lead to 250area screens wide....on top you can achieve 35% life regeb per second on Jug and Chieftain. Forget about phys to ele, just go Doppleganger and enjoy immortality with arctic armour
with infinite warcry power and some increased buffeffect you can use battlemage to get +4% basecrit from your warcry. You should also use staffs because crit is just way too good on slams, the way higher crit makes more than up for the lower base damage. Maces and axes are better early before you go crit but staffs so far have been the better option at the medium to high end due to insane crit multi at a much lower investment.
@@miflofbierculles5117 that's what my end game will be, crit Bleed slammer with Perfect Agony. Will see how I will reach 100% crit but so far it looks....insane. 450% dot multi om the tree alone to grab on the way to Perfect Agony or with Impossible Escape who knows. We still haven't seen all the new uniques
@@Vulgaels What sort of slam are you going for with bleed? I hope not EQ just because I remember not really liking that lol. I am curious to check it out though, I am sure it is too early for a PoB but I am willing to try any kind of slam build, I wanna go slammin and jammin this league start.
Rallying cry only gives buff to allies not you like it already was. Still good to use for one more warcry exert for the new gem and the unique helmet, put it in automation.
i don't know how you find 60% more damage for war banner, for me it's 4% x (1+500%) = 24% more damage.
it does give buff to the player, not just allies
If not for aggravated bleed, I would play a slam build too. Gladiator rework looks sooooo gooooooood!
Why not both? Bleed Earthquake, my brother!
imma just say , dont get baited. glad lost alot of speed through challenger charges and u lost maim + blind + bleed chance. also they removed bleed chance mods on weapons.
u gained 10% more phys dot IF you use an axe and u gained more bleed explosion dmg. and the QoL of not using ensnaring arrow (weapon swap).
bleed bow is kinda meme now. only melee bleed will be viable. and im not sure if that will be taht much better then before.
@@contrakt666 The overall damage increases to melee skills will also help melee bleed a lot.
I’m so sad they removed challenger charges
SST bleed is it better now ?
a good slambuild could already oneshot guardians, i did that in affliction. Also i think new warbringer is bait, if you automate exerts you only need 25% reduced cooldown on slams for exert on intimidating to never run out if you stick to the fist of war slam cycle. This quickly makes chieftain a better choice because 500% explosion and fist of war as a free 7th link is pretty darn good and on top of that you get pretty good defenses with the resist thing. Also full warcry power on chieftain is genuinly insane coupled with the 30% buffeffect, you can automate maybe two slams where you don't really need the buffs like seismic or intimidating, but with battlemage and infernal cry you can easily get +4% crit and around 45% of phys damage as extra fire. The buffs are actually huge now. And i know many people hate the piano gameplay but it's not nearly as bad as people make it out to be, with some warcry speed it's near instant and you only attack every 2s anyways at most, most of the time even less because if you build correctyl nothing outside of big bosses should survive a hit from you while you clear the entire screen with a single hit. A lot of things changed though so we have to see, slam meta might be way diffrent from what we expect.
VF of snaking sounds like it would fit really well. is that strong enough for bosses though?
You'll need golden apple to automate warcry if you want to use the power buff. The automation gem disable warcry buffs
@@catastropherz2533 read the dude's post
@@moie1647 Well it was edited
How is war banner 60% more dmg? Patch notes say its 4% more phys at all levels and scales up to 500% increased aura effect at 50 valor
Wondering the same thing
I took your tri stacker to max end game and it was so fun ! thank you for saying youre making a new guide for it as im prolly going for it again , as always thanks for the effort you put out for the community and Good luck with your league start
Chieftain slams with infinity power warcry is looking solid. You should easily sustain full rage with the rage mastery, sure you are gonna piano to get the full effect but it should be insane on top of getting chieftain defenses. I'm tempted to just cheiftain tectonic slam
Ground slam might be better because with tectonic you need a shitload of endurance charges, both max and generating, which can be hella expensive.
@@miflofbierculles5117 i wonder if you can get enough aoe on VF of snaking to actually shotgun.
@@miflofbierculles5117 but you want to go endurance cuz you get so much add elemental reduce, just don't spend them =D
Great content!
I am confused about the 60% more damage with the War Banner though... =(
Here is what I thought it would be:
4% more dmg * (50 stages * 5% effect/stage) = %4 * 250% = 10% more dmg
How did you get to 60% more?
im confused too, it is actually 10 effect per stage on level 20 gem, so it will be like 20 more damage
> Provides 5% more Area of Effect and 5% more Aura Effect per Valour Consumed at gem level 1, both scaling up to 10% at gem level 20. Banner grants 8% increased Accuracy Rating to You and Allies, and 4% more Physical Damage with Melee Skills to You and Allies at all gem levels.
> Banners also cause Enemies to take 8% increased Damage (mastery)
I can get there for 4 + 3 passive points:
4% * ((50 base stages + 55 extra max stages from tree) * 10% more effect/stage) * 1.25 increased banner aura effect from tree + 8% = 60.5%
If you don't want to spend any passive points then yes it's only 20%. But at 5% more damage per point it is extremely worth it. Aurastackers struggle to get 5% more damage per point. (1.05^7 ~= 1.405)
@@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 There's a pretty good chance that Valour/banner/aura effect will boost the 8% increased damage taken as it seems like it's a stat being given to the banner, similar to what Commander of Darkness does to auras so it may in fact be even more!
@@GrilledCheeseSandwich1 Tyvm for the detailed reply. Thats a lot of damage! Awesome!
Battlemage's Cry still seems nice to use to automate some support spells on hit, on top of all the more% from Overexert and Echoes of Creation
Ground Slam Zerker let's goooo
Thanks for this video. I was thinking about something like this after looking at the changes, but I started in affliction so I assumed I could be misinterpreting or missing something that made it not as good as I was thinking. Nice to hear I am not too far off the mark.
I want to try tectonic slam of cataclysm ignite chieftain or rage vortex of berserking berserker. After watching this video, a regular slam build using autoexertion sounds very cool too. I can't decide what to start!.
YOU KNOW IT. SLAM LEAGUE HERE WE GO.
I'm going chieftain for sure for slams. Easy 90% all res with fourth vow\lightning coil, infinite warcry power and 7 link. Later can get double exerts with forbiddens.
I am league starting with Perforate of Duality, if you change stance that skill has 2332% attack damage.
Wtf really?
If all of the spikes hits yes, but in average, Perforate hit 70% of the spikes. So it's more 1632% than 2332% at 15 spikes.
Being able to make more than a few rage per second while attacking is huge, as someone who loved old rage-zerker this is going to be glorious.
The lines for Overexert are separate, so they should multiply (See Arcane Surge for a similar support). That would make your example (12% more x exerts ) x 10% more so it would actually be 49.6% more. Not huge but every little bit counts!
glad i tried melee build this league now that i have more knowledge about melee, building in next league will be easier so more time in testing new stuff than learning basics and setups.
If we're considering slams, I'd recommend taking a look at Ice Crash. It has 100% base Phys -> Ice Conversion, has the 2nd highest added damage effectiveness of any slam (661%), and can freeze (especially with boss action speed cap now at 50% from 70%). It also seems to be the largest beneficiary from the crazy 50% phys as extra ele enchant since it doesn't need any investment whatsoever in conversion.
But no advantage of auto target nearby enemies.
@@2_Stepperwhat slams auto target?
@@spamstabber None, thats the whole point im making
@@2_Stepper vaal ground slam, nuke the screen, Vaal EQ just run
@@Vulgaels That might work fine in a map. I doubt it will be very good in bossing
The first thing i thought to start with this league is slams, super hyped for it, please keep updating.
Ran RF in Necro league, had ideas for other builds for 3.25 but after watching your stream last night you sold me on a slam build. This video just solidifies it.
I'd love to see a slam starter guide from you Cpt. Lance :)
Tectonic slam of cataclysm is going to be insane at map clearing
doryani's fist or bust
Oh captain, My Captain! Chad melee vibes
oni-goroshi tectonic slam looking REAL ENTICING RIGHT NOW
Yo is that any good?
@@alexdicicco5230 yeah oni-goroshi is a good option until you can afford nebulochs (and cope with the degen from them)
@@SpazerLaser any good pob too follow ?
"Zerker dogshit now" - Alk
I'll trust grandfather Alk :D
I wont. Seen enough of his "great takes" over years.
@@_Aynix jealous weeb
@@bogdanlazy1997 Jelous of what? Go touch grass
After having so much fun with the Manaman in Necropolis ,i will listen to you and try slams ,i never go wrong with your builds and ideas . Also ,last time i played slams was in Ultimatum league
I'm thinking about just doing my Kondo's Pride Cleave Cruelty build. It was some random jank piece of crap build I put together and somehow got to Red maps with it. It's the whole reason I bought the Cleave MTX.
If you have time I would love to see both of these PoBs coming together, both builds looks like great options to play as a starter. :D
I haven't player a Berserker build ever. Would love to try it if the slams are actually this good.
@CaptainLance9 I love glacial hammer. Do you think there is something there with the GH on the warden with the new Freeze node/Shock Node and take Barkskin for defense?
Going to be trying out a melee Warden build! I think double tincture is going to be insane with some of the tincture nodes they spoiled! Also, the 100% more damage shock is INSANE!! I love it!
Also echos of creation gives you a self damage effect which may be useful for one of the new when-hit skill gems. The one with the big fist maybe?
any chance you could review this with Volcanic Fissure of Snaking? would love to play that skill but i have no idea how now
I want to do volcanic fissure of snaking, think zerker would be the one for it?
I was already thinking about starting with warcry slam, glad you're looking at it too cus you're a much better tree builder than me!
I've been hoping and praying that I'll be able to play VFoS without having to play Boneshatter through Delve to get up to 150div Str Stacking gear to make it viable. It has happened. Volcanic Chieftan coming right up! So stoked for a melee league!
I really want to do double strike of impaling. I can't decide between Jugg or Slayer, though. My initial leaguestart was shield crush but I NEED to try out these new numbers.
I'm interested in the level scaling of the gems now before I make my choice, but I'll likely remake my old 3 warcry and general's cry slammer.
Once I see the 20+ scaling on the gems I will make my choice, it's not that hard to get 30 odd levels.
This I will put on my radar as something to try out. This could also be altered for bleed earthquake setup for better survivability.
Hey Lance, are you sure automating warcries will be good enough? They currently have very good buffs (especially when paired up with Infinite Power that secures their maximum effect + warcry buff effect) and the support got reworked - "It now reserves 15% Mana per Supported Warcry to cause those Warcries to be repeatedly triggered. Autoexertion Support can now support multiple Warcries, and no longer causes Warcries to share Cooldowns. It now grants Supported Skills 0-19% increased Cooldown Recovery Rate (previously 30-11% reduced Cooldown Recovery Rate), and now has "Supported Warcries do not grant Buffs or Charges to you or Allies"." so it becomes a 45% reservation aura that removes warcry buffs (and the reason to scale Power) - but keeps the exertion effects which are technically the main profit. It still has 150% mana multiplier and those auto-shouts will have an impact on your mana sustain (new mana cost reductions don't apply to them as they aren't attacks and 15% conversion to life cost is the maximum with a mastery). How fittable is it on a melee build that should run Determination, Herald of Purity and possibly one more aura?
bro Capn is selling a third build to me already, man, choices are gonna be tough 0_0 looks awesome tho, thanks a lot for sharing!
i cant wait for this build, i'm here for it lol. this is going to be fun.
so now my ice crash of cadence slayer can blast without 5000 div invested? login
im more sold on staffs like Eventuality Rod which will have 8.3% base crit and considering how disgusting endurance charges are going to be especially on jugg
Staves never had a problem capping crit, they are comparably low on %increased however.
@@txflood2519 yea i know, but its not like you equip one and you are capped. that base crit is almost a crit chance support which can be very useful earlier in the league to replace with a "real dmg link"
it is good to be a slambro
With the new call to arms the warcries no longer give any buffs right? Just exerted attacks.
yeah, this is pretty bad, if u want the buffs u need to use the warcry manually AND they now have very very low duration, idk how that can be good
lance says he can automate 2 warcries for the buffs, that cant be done anymore, right?
2things:
1 yes the auto exert support gem now only is used in the cases where you care about the specific exertion effect(50% more aoe seismic/double damage intimidate)
2-automation for warcries can be done through items like eternal apple still as for warcry duration, they have been normalized for 3.4 seconds which is higher in most cases and very easilly increased via warcry nodes having a lot of warcry duration and increased duration support being a "more" multiplier for duration instead of increased now. So generally if you want to play around there buffs it will require thinking like eternal apple setups OR outright pressing them manually(example being I am considering RF where I don't have much to do so have plenty of freetime to do a warcry every now and then)
@@CaptainLance9 double dmg don't count in the buff sect i think, so you still get double dmg even with automate, i could search again but i'm prestty sure i did this back in the day and it doesnt count as the buff part.
Jugg earthquake is back on the menu boys
Really appreciate the info, captain!
Im definitely excited to try EQ Bleed again haha, especially with aggravated
My fav play style. Piano slam Chieftain. LETS GO!
This patch got tears running down my leg
"But this...this has me questioning my sexuality" - CaptainLance9, 2024
Captain, please PoB for a league starter slamer. I'm confident that it will be insane late with 300+ divines. But let us league start this !
This is EXACTLY what I want to play I hope you make this build happen
Can you explain how war banner is giving 60% more dmg? I feel like one of us is misunderstanding something.
Doryani's Touch, here I come baby xD
I hope the math adds up to easy 1-shot bonks on bosses and at least middling clearspeed
I would be interested by PoBs for your slam ideas. I'm considering a Juggernaut because I prefer tankiness and not dying, but if the Berserker can have interesting damage without going overboard with investments (I only get a few divs with my available play time) and clear screens, then the probability of dying gets smaller and could be a viable alternative for my play style.
Please consider making a starter guide and PoB for slam skill.
I was also looking at your General's Cry build for Bladestorm. Do you think that General's Cry is still a viable way of playing ? I was thinking of using GC with Tectonic Slam of Cataclysm.
Would all the slam multipliers also apply to the clones ?
Thank you for your feedback. Have a great day/evening/night.
The walls are no long soft but this man is still insane
Are you worried about the uptime of the cries? Seems like durations were nerfed across the board on those. Also, seems like mana is gonna be a major issue
SLAM MEAT
Would you plan to do this with RT? If not, how would you plan to solve Accuracy for a left side of the tree, mace build?
Back in the ritual days the old tectonic slammer build used hits can't be evaded craft from Vagan veil once you wanted to transition out of RT.
I'd say this scales very comfortably as RT, so no need to stretch yourself thin trying to solve for crits. But if you were to do this, the cost-efficient options for accuracy are Precision, suffixes on gloves/rings/jewels/weapon, Eater gloves implicit, Eagle Eye cluster with mastery, Transcendent Spirit (socketed south of Scion start for 5×125=625 raw accuracy), and possibly a lucky Megalomaniac (with Graceful Execution and/or Martial Prowess together with 1-2 other useful nodes). Hits can't be evaded craft is also an option if you don't mind losing a damage prefix.
I don't mind many buttons because of mouse macros. As long as build is strong and fun.
If there is anyone that'll put you on a build that can do all content in the game its captainlance.💪
Video was nice and informative, but the tapping on the desk was causing mic bass pops - at 2x speed it was causing enough discomfort i nearly closed out. Not trying to be a whinger but i figured you might want to know about it for the future
This shoudl work well on Chieftain as well right? Especially for hc? Staff Crit with the new cry effect and higher base crit on staves to include some extra block as well.
they returned self-summon spectre, so u can use it as alternative to HoP summon blessing, if low socket pressure
Slam Meta, I'm here for it! Been waiting a long time.
Def doing dancing duo with the wild wolf claw minions.
Now that we can weapon swap with duo we gotta meme 😂
forbidden flesh and flame with the warcry infinite power from chieftain gonna be 1 mirror each
probably yes, i hope rites of ruin is going to be cheaper
@CaptainLance9 hey would u be willing to do a noob friendly video where u explain how one would do this build idea once u finish act 10 what steps to take and what to look for when crafting gear
hey I thought I wasnt going to return to poe till poe2 but here I am. Any chance you can put together a basic gem link guide for min maxing physical dmg builds? I want to do sweep. I think bleed sweep would be the best version for max dps but I have been away from the game for 5 leagues give or take. Tldr guide would be sick.
Melee damage wise looks very spicy this league but defense wise im not so sure. Besides the endurance charge change what else is there that will make a big difference? I guess for sanctum farming it doesnt matter much.
I hope you have some decent defences planned to go alongside this madness :)
Its about 6x the previous damage if you count all the sht you mentioned in, if you taje one of those 2x damage skills
Hey Captain, which slam skill did you intend to use?
i am going Warden. I think increased effect of non-damaging elements will be nuts.
How would you go about building an ice crash character with these changes?
Banners are so cool! I wanted more focus to remember to pop ❤🔥
Ground Slam impale are back baby!
Look forward to your slam league starter!
While this sounds like it will have sanctum damage, you also want auto targeting and freeze ideally and there's already builds that do that, so a bit skeptical about the sanctum part
Fairly certain rallying cry weapon damage portion of the buff only applies to allies not yourself. I'm not sure how your calculating the War Banner buff, 50 valor x 5% more effect x 4% more phys damage I think is just 14% more damage. Which is still great for sure. I could be wrong though, this is the first league i've looked at banners in a while.
Got me wanting to start a slam build now
I'm sold.
Actually, i always wanted to try sunder ever since it got reworked, so i guess, if u decide to go this route - im here for the hype train
thanks for the vid as always, good stuff
I just want the days of Ground Slam Call of Steel back where even Drox was getting one shot. Please god, maybe this is it
Nice, CaptainSlamce9 :)
I don't get it. You use autoexert but still talk about all the bonusen? Are they not disabled?
Haven't played slams since ground slam and call of steel one shot boss's would love to see what you do with this and give it a try!
Let us know when you post the PoB!!! Really excited to see melee finally addressed
Slams so good made Lance think about what he really likes xdd