Key thought's here: Leo 1 is still a great tank, and in fact excellent at 8.0. However, as discussed the problem isn't with the Leo, it's with the game; specifically compression. Between 8.0/10.0 there is such a disparity in technology between minor BR changes (I mean just look at the TURM at 8.3) that tanks that would perform fantastically at their BR are almost obsolete by even 1 BR step in up-tiers, the same goes for *most* other tanks around these BR's. It still works well, but it is certainly not a beginner friendly tank. I already said all this in the video, but just leaving it here for those who comment without watching! I hope you enjoyed the games today! :D
also same story with air rb and people calling planes or jet's 'support' planes or jets because they don't do well against other planes (normal fighters or interceptors etc not Literal ground attackers and support bombers etc)
@@TurnyPlaysso I was one of the guys relentlessly reporting the old apds bug on spaced and sloped armour back about a year and a half ago and after a lot of back and fourths with the devs I can defintely say that the reason the mantlet is so buggy is that at one point apds was made to be weak and shatted against spaced armour. Unfortunately this was implemented terribly and made all early apds bounce with odd behaviour against spaced and sloped armour, the fix for this was creating a value of spaced armour where early apds would shatter that just happens to be a tiny bit below the value of the leopard 1 mantlet. this fix along with some other things I dont know about cause a lot of shells to behave weirdly with the leopard 1 mantlet but I know for a fact from talking with the devs that its related to those apds reworks
I dont know what is worst, this at 8.0 with the TURM 3 0.3 BR higher or the A1A1 at 9.0 with the 1A5 just 0.3 BR higher or any german 9.3 for that matter
i always had very similar performance with the leopard 1 and soumua sm back when I played I got most of my nukes from those two (and then the rest in the op 279) I think both nations had it alright at that br back about a year and a half ago
I never found this thing fun even at 7.7. The main problem was the lack of stab against fully stabilized vehicles every single match which only got worse when it went to 8.0. I actually have a positive K/D and a 60% WR in it but its just so frustrating to face stabilized vehicles that its just not fun.
same here, even here i did everything he did yet i still died, every other tank at this br had the same mobility, better armor and apfsds, this tank only has mobility going for it, this is why i mostly play the m48a2 c, the m48 actually does well in uptiers rather than the leo
After playing like 150 games I have only seen one single downtier. A single one. I’ve played US 7.0 as well and full uptiers are effectively non existent.
@@Jonathan-oe5vz tbh I’ve played 7.7-9.0 Germany and 8.0 is pretty much just full up tiers, 9.0 is just full down tiers, tbh the down tier dosent help much, sure the leopard a1a1 has a fully stabilized gun but its basically just a leopard 1 with a stabilized gun and access to apfsds, pretty much just go for the m48, German armor is basically non existent at these brs.
i recently got to 8.0 and the leopard 1, was so confused how enemies like chieftan mk3 were snapshotting me even when driving on rough terrain until i learned about stabilizers. its so broken
BRs for what used to be mid-tier are now worse than ever, but there is no reason the Leopard 1 shouldve EVER been lower in BR than the M60, and it finally is where it belongs; at the same BR as the M60's. The new BR for M60s, Leopard 1, and their NATO counterparts are shit due to constant uptiering and stabilizers on tanks far better than them being in nearly every single game due to a difference of only .3; but atleast the Leopard 1 isnt a blatantly OP handhold vehicle and can be taken off of the list of German handholds, though there are still PLENTY left.
8.0 is hell because .3 br up will make you see stupidly more advanced and more tech and in an uptier to 8.7 you see the bmp2 and and bmp is 8.0 so its not really good either now too too much br compression causes most countries that aren't ussr or America to be hell to play.
Just got the leo 1 as my first MBT and it made me stop playing , the gun is has good pen but no filler so when you go against any other mbt you have to aim for weakspots whitout a stabilizer while they just shoot anywere and kill you , the mobility is good for a tank but still gets outclassed by light vehicles who are faster armored the same and some whit similar firepower. But what really got me was the premiums while i grinded months for a crappy tank , ppl just buy the turm III that is fully stabilized whit a better reload and an autocannon or the Vidar whit a a laser rangefinder better reload and a fucking 155mm shell that pretty much one shots anything, and good head on survivability since it has so much crew and most people dont carry he loaded in the breach. Update : i unlocked HEAT and makes it playible
TP Tizzle with another cracking video. Its so sad what's happened to the Leopard, I remember when it was 7.3 and it was incredible, even at 7.7 it was great but 8.0 is simply too much for it.
@@irirjhrhr4645 Dont agree with that at all far worse armor and no stabilizer which is the biggest part. I stomp leopard 1s in my t55s. Especially the t55am1.
@anthonyjones8043 at that br less armor is more. since it's just HEAT and early apfsds, those are gonna pen you regardless, and having less armor means it would spall less and you get more mobility. leos 1 gun handling is also better (than t54) and it's a 105. and t55am1 is 8.7 which is considerably more
good show giving the right advice, I see ALOT of german teams get steam-rolled because people believe they have top notch tanks that can take all sorts of abuse, when in reality at this BR it's best to shoot and scoot, use cover and speed to your advantage and more importantly as you stated flanking!
Yep, HEAT has more penetration, and is useful for "open top" vehicles, so make sure you take a few. but the APDS has far more consistent post penetration damage, as well as not getting caught on trees/bushes/fences. However, the big dog reason is Target acquisition. the APDS has far higher velocity, meaning it is much more likely you will score a hit on a long distance or moving target, which is by far the most important part. Nothing else matters if you dont hit the target to begin with. Hope that helps!
yea I've noticed it has decent mobility and I was able to run around a BMP a couple of times waiting for a teammate to help (Breech was out) and he couldnt catch up (He had no engine and I MG'd tracks) but his teammate showed up first in the form of a M103
Leopard I My favorite modern kitten after TIGER E 🐆🐅 I have used the Leopard I a lot in 11.7 Full Tiger, always with APDS to pierce the lateral ERA and the bottom plate of the T-90 and other Russians, very good for flanking and the APDS is better than the HEAT-FS
it doesn't have armor , no stablizer , the cannon is decent, not the best depression so you can't get good hulldown angles and it lacks a laser rangefinder to help against long ranges
@@crazyadam9281 sweden, russia, britain, all them get a decent amount of stalized tanks at this br, while germany gets its first full stablized at 8.3 in the form of an spaa
I just unlocked it after grinding up to it, am USSR too tier and Germany is my second I’m really struggling with the LEO. But I’ll keep at it, going to kill my KDR for a while lol
I got my first cold war tank leo 1 and then got the marder 1 too and the me 262 a1u4 in my highest tier lineup right now. However i just can't play those tiers anymore. I just cant know where people are, get slapped from 1.5km away. The bigger maps and the sheer paranoid schizophrenic gameplay is just not fun for me. How does someone play this tier and above is beyond me. I still remember it was the Finland map and an OF40 had sniped 2 people while it wasnt even 20 seconds into the game. I too was slapped as i was going towards the b hill crest while he was on the left of us near our a and b connection. Just fucking not fun dude. Update: Leopard 1 is insanely good. It requires a drastic shift in gameplay. It is an absolute beast of a tank and uptiers are not an issue at all. Love the gun on it ❤. Skill issue of the player does it in 99%
Leopard is still the best german tank at 8.0 in my opinion. The raketen is too situational and the dfs gun is harder to aim and while having a better reload the gun feels powerfull. Marder is atrocious and the bmp konkurs nearly made me quit the game
HEAT has more penetration, and is useful for "open top" vehicles, so make sure you take a few. but the APDS has far more consistent post penetration damage, as well as not getting caught on trees/bushes/fences. However, the big dog reason is Target acquisition. the APDS has far higher velocity, meaning it is much more likely you will score a hit on a long distance or moving target, which is by far the most important part. Nothing else matters if you dont hit the target to begin with. Hope that helps!
@@TurnyPlays never in a million years would I expect a response from you🤯 you’re my favorite wt cc turny, just my opinion of how many bounces you had compared to pens, I’ll get maybe 2-3 bush or fence hits a day of gaming compared to the 50+ bounces of apds
It's just a dog shit tank, really. Just play something else. Any tank will have leo 1 on the platter in no time. But they can't put this tank to something like 7.3 either.
Key thought's here:
Leo 1 is still a great tank, and in fact excellent at 8.0. However, as discussed the problem isn't with the Leo, it's with the game; specifically compression.
Between 8.0/10.0 there is such a disparity in technology between minor BR changes (I mean just look at the TURM at 8.3) that tanks that would perform fantastically at their BR are almost obsolete by even 1 BR step in up-tiers, the same goes for *most* other tanks around these BR's.
It still works well, but it is certainly not a beginner friendly tank.
I already said all this in the video, but just leaving it here for those who comment without watching!
I hope you enjoyed the games today! :D
Turm III only being 8.3 is premium bia-
nvm I want my family back
Strong upper plate that will bounce Russian APHE? Absolutely not at that BR. It goes through that like a hot knife through butter.
yeah i dont know how he came to that conclusion lol.
Bro this game is retarded thats why. A lot of times when i shoot 100mm aphe that ufp just bounces it
Amx-30 tends to do that tho.
Yeah what? I just checked and the t-54s APHE lulpens the UFP at 500.
simply put this tanks should be played like a very light/support tank rather than an MBT
As soon as "situational" is a description if a tank it's bad in more ways than good.
yeah that means it's only good in certain situations
not really an mbt if it's situational 💀💀
also same story with air rb and people calling planes or jet's 'support' planes or jets because they don't do well against other planes (normal fighters or interceptors etc not Literal ground attackers and support bombers etc)
3:05 realest Turny statement ever recorded
I am a deep thinker after all
Tiger 2s for the views. Leaopard 1s for the funs.
The mantlet on that thing is absolutely mad. It survived shots that really shouldn’t
yeah, leo mantlet is certainly a little sus lol
@@TurnyPlaysso I was one of the guys relentlessly reporting the old apds bug on spaced and sloped armour back about a year and a half ago and after a lot of back and fourths with the devs I can defintely say that the reason the mantlet is so buggy is that at one point apds was made to be weak and shatted against spaced armour. Unfortunately this was implemented terribly and made all early apds bounce with odd behaviour against spaced and sloped armour, the fix for this was creating a value of spaced armour where early apds would shatter that just happens to be a tiny bit below the value of the leopard 1 mantlet. this fix along with some other things I dont know about cause a lot of shells to behave weirdly with the leopard 1 mantlet but I know for a fact from talking with the devs that its related to those apds reworks
I dont know what is worst, this at 8.0 with the TURM 3 0.3 BR higher or the A1A1 at 9.0 with the 1A5 just 0.3 BR higher or any german 9.3 for that matter
T-54 at 8.0 vs t55 at 8.3 with stabilizer and dart and more mobility. Turm 3 doesnt have apfsds at least
When you shot that plane after he killed your “buddy” was priceless
Payback’s a bitch ain’t it? XD
I still remember when the Leo 1 was chilling at 7.3 and France had to suffer with the AMX-30B at 8.0. So glad the Leo has been moved up
i always had very similar performance with the leopard 1 and soumua sm back when I played I got most of my nukes from those two (and then the rest in the op 279) I think both nations had it alright at that br back about a year and a half ago
That’s because they were counting the German main retard stats and hand holding them, larder was 7.3 too
Amx 30 is now 8.3 and B2 which is same tank but with darts at 8.7 both unstabilized...
1st game - how everyone thinks playing the Leo 1 is like
2nd game - how it's really like
Great video !
I never found this thing fun even at 7.7. The main problem was the lack of stab against fully stabilized vehicles every single match which only got worse when it went to 8.0. I actually have a positive K/D and a 60% WR in it but its just so frustrating to face stabilized vehicles that its just not fun.
same here, even here i did everything he did yet i still died, every other tank at this br had the same mobility, better armor and apfsds, this tank only has mobility going for it, this is why i mostly play the m48a2 c, the m48 actually does well in uptiers rather than the leo
After playing like 150 games I have only seen one single downtier. A single one. I’ve played US 7.0 as well and full uptiers are effectively non existent.
@@Jonathan-oe5vz tbh I’ve played 7.7-9.0 Germany and 8.0 is pretty much just full up tiers, 9.0 is just full down tiers, tbh the down tier dosent help much, sure the leopard a1a1 has a fully stabilized gun but its basically just a leopard 1 with a stabilized gun and access to apfsds, pretty much just go for the m48, German armor is basically non existent at these brs.
0:08 is too funny
No way, I've been looking for a video like this after the 8.0 nerf. This is perfect as Iam grinding with the leopard to get the TAM
Awesome man, that's why I covered it, no one else has! lol
You've got to check out some of the vehicles coming in Update 'Seek & Destroy', like the XM800T or the Namer. When the update does go live that is.
i recently got to 8.0 and the leopard 1, was so confused how enemies like chieftan mk3 were snapshotting me even when driving on rough terrain until i learned about stabilizers. its so broken
Keep up bro❤. Never stop uploading
Thank you brother
BRs for what used to be mid-tier are now worse than ever, but there is no reason the Leopard 1 shouldve EVER been lower in BR than the M60, and it finally is where it belongs; at the same BR as the M60's. The new BR for M60s, Leopard 1, and their NATO counterparts are shit due to constant uptiering and stabilizers on tanks far better than them being in nearly every single game due to a difference of only .3; but atleast the Leopard 1 isnt a blatantly OP handhold vehicle and can be taken off of the list of German handholds, though there are still PLENTY left.
8.0 is hell because .3 br up will make you see stupidly more advanced and more tech and in an uptier to 8.7 you see the bmp2 and and bmp is 8.0 so its not really good either now too too much br compression causes most countries that aren't ussr or America to be hell to play.
10:36 bro what was that laugh 💀🙏
Bro, that intro was great!! The aircraft kills are the most satisfying! 😂
6:00 your Streams are always nice to watch when I don't have time to grind. 🙂
Just got the leo 1 as my first MBT and it made me stop playing , the gun is has good pen but no filler so when you go against any other mbt you have to aim for weakspots whitout a stabilizer while they just shoot anywere and kill you , the mobility is good for a tank but still gets outclassed by light vehicles who are faster armored the same and some whit similar firepower.
But what really got me was the premiums while i grinded months for a crappy tank , ppl just buy the turm III that is fully stabilized whit a better reload and an autocannon or the Vidar whit a a laser rangefinder better reload and a fucking 155mm shell that pretty much one shots anything, and good head on survivability since it has so much crew and most people dont carry he loaded in the breach.
Update : i unlocked HEAT and makes it playible
Stop playing cause of Leo 1? Pfft hahaha 😂
@@stinky7278 Its not the Leo being crap , is premiums being way better than the tank i spent months grinding
TP Tizzle with another cracking video.
Its so sad what's happened to the Leopard, I remember when it was 7.3 and it was incredible, even at 7.7 it was great but 8.0 is simply too much for it.
France would like a word....
I think 8.0 is where it should be, it's equivalent to (even a bit better) the t54/55 which are 8.0/8.3
@@irirjhrhr4645 Dont agree with that at all far worse armor and no stabilizer which is the biggest part. I stomp leopard 1s in my t55s. Especially the t55am1.
@anthonyjones8043 at that br less armor is more. since it's just HEAT and early apfsds, those are gonna pen you regardless, and having less armor means it would spall less and you get more mobility. leos 1 gun handling is also better (than t54) and it's a 105. and t55am1 is 8.7 which is considerably more
@@anthonyjones8043that’s why the T-55s are higher in br genius
bro killed an airplane and turned into a loony tunes character
good show giving the right advice, I see ALOT of german teams get steam-rolled because people believe they have top notch tanks that can take all sorts of abuse, when in reality at this BR it's best to shoot and scoot, use cover and speed to your advantage and more importantly as you stated flanking!
VBC (PT2) next please
Really nice video. But could you explain to me, why you should main the APDFS and not the HEAT? It seems like the HEAT is ways better at a first look
Heat has better pen but that's all.
Post pen damage are horrible, bad balistic, and it explodes on bushes or fences
Yep, HEAT has more penetration, and is useful for "open top" vehicles, so make sure you take a few. but the APDS has far more consistent post penetration damage, as well as not getting caught on trees/bushes/fences.
However, the big dog reason is Target acquisition. the APDS has far higher velocity, meaning it is much more likely you will score a hit on a long distance or moving target, which is by far the most important part. Nothing else matters if you dont hit the target to begin with.
Hope that helps!
That plane got absolutely destroyed 😂😅
Cries in amx 30-B2 that is at 8.7, unstabilized with a mediocre apds of 350mm pen
its not even that bad
yea I've noticed it has decent mobility and I was able to run around a BMP a couple of times waiting for a teammate to help (Breech was out) and he couldnt catch up (He had no engine and I MG'd tracks) but his teammate showed up first in the form of a M103
Looking forward to the next stream of "As the Turny turns"
Monday :)
Leopard I My favorite modern kitten after TIGER E 🐆🐅
I have used the Leopard I a lot in 11.7 Full Tiger, always with APDS to pierce the lateral ERA and the bottom plate of the T-90 and other Russians, very good for flanking and the APDS is better than the HEAT-FS
Yes turns thank you so much ❤
Told you I would! :P
it doesn't have armor , no stablizer , the cannon is decent, not the best depression so you can't get good hulldown angles and it lacks a laser rangefinder to help against long ranges
And? The majority of vehicles at 8.0 don't have a lot of things you put in your comment and they do just fine.
Meanwhile the T-54 also at 8.0 that doesn’t even have good mobility while having most of the same problems
The T-55 at 8.3 is a joke. Two plane stabiliser, APFSDS, good armor and decent mobility.
@@crazyadam9281 sweden, russia, britain, all them get a decent amount of stalized tanks at this br, while germany gets its first full stablized at 8.3 in the form of an spaa
actually one of the worst tanks on 8.0 (T-54 and amx are worse)
I love the leopard I, it’s cannon is great and it’s quite fast
i never really had bad games with the leopard one the worst i get is 3 kills its a really good tank for me
I just unlocked it after grinding up to it, am USSR too tier and Germany is my second I’m really struggling with the LEO. But I’ll keep at it, going to kill my KDR for a while lol
tbh the only stock leo problem is not having heat rounds and overall leo problems are armour and no stab at all
Finally I can see how to use this glass cannon
This tank is fine at 8.0 at least it doesn't suffer as much as the AMX-30's(tech tree and premium one).
Bro be laughing like he was the mf Woody Woodpecker 😂😂😂
What BR is the leopard 1 on arcade from old days?
I just use it insanely aggressive and it works like a dream mind the fact you would have to use 3rd person view
wp Tmizzle making apds look fun
Could you do a vid on the Of-40 or the Of-40 Mk. 2A?
Ah, the better Leo 1 :P
@@TurnyPlays The cooler Leo 1 😎
where u edit 1440p?
This tank is useless if you use realistic gunner sight, 'cause they set the commander sight as the default gunner sight.
The BMP 2/3, Fox and XM800T always ruin my day, and theres always 2 goobers that are on the enemy team that have the same idea, thats why i hate it
I intentionally get myself killed in this thing just in the hopes that gaijoob will bump it down in the future.
I would *never* consider the Leo 1 *mid*
It's still one of the better tanks I've played
I got my first cold war tank leo 1 and then got the marder 1 too and the me 262 a1u4 in my highest tier lineup right now. However i just can't play those tiers anymore. I just cant know where people are, get slapped from 1.5km away. The bigger maps and the sheer paranoid schizophrenic gameplay is just not fun for me. How does someone play this tier and above is beyond me. I still remember it was the Finland map and an OF40 had sniped 2 people while it wasnt even 20 seconds into the game. I too was slapped as i was going towards the b hill crest while he was on the left of us near our a and b connection. Just fucking not fun dude.
Update: Leopard 1 is insanely good. It requires a drastic shift in gameplay. It is an absolute beast of a tank and uptiers are not an issue at all. Love the gun on it ❤. Skill issue of the player does it in 99%
8.0 Israel is the same... always up tiered
ZA-35 pls :)
wasnt it at 8.0 for a while now or am i tripping
Yeah, but no one has covered it :)
Comonn Turrnyyy play the Black Prince
Tge us 8.3vehicles are all very enjoyable to me
I like cotton clothing.
Polyester sucks.
😂
What a classic
We out here
How to play Leopard 1 in War Thunder: don't play it. It sucks so bad at 8.0.
Love you turny
10:33☠️
all the mobility but no stabilizer? pass!
literal skill issue
lets go leopard1 and good shit turney
Leopard is still the best german tank at 8.0 in my opinion. The raketen is too situational and the dfs gun is harder to aim and while having a better reload the gun feels powerfull. Marder is atrocious and the bmp konkurs nearly made me quit the game
Day 10 asking if Turny can play the Brummbar
Day 234 of asking for some juicy black prince gameplay 👾
Day 2 of asking you to play Type 60 ATM
Best way to play the leopard 1?
Play the OF 40 instead.
Need stabalizer
uploadet 21 seconds ago, instand click
Same crap as oddbawz. Every game is a slaughter, always #1.
This is an entertainment channel brother. If I just uploaded me dying that wouldn't be very entertaining now, would it? :)
Heat is better
HEAT has more penetration, and is useful for "open top" vehicles, so make sure you take a few. but the APDS has far more consistent post penetration damage, as well as not getting caught on trees/bushes/fences.
However, the big dog reason is Target acquisition. the APDS has far higher velocity, meaning it is much more likely you will score a hit on a long distance or moving target, which is by far the most important part. Nothing else matters if you dont hit the target to begin with.
Hope that helps!
@@TurnyPlays never in a million years would I expect a response from you🤯 you’re my favorite wt cc turny, just my opinion of how many bounces you had compared to pens, I’ll get maybe 2-3 bush or fence hits a day of gaming compared to the 50+ bounces of apds
Appreicate you brother :) @@nathancorbett9448
erster und ich genieße jedes deiner Videos
im glad brother!
Leo 1 is the best 8.0 MBT change my mind⬅️😎
*OF-40 intensifies*
It's just a dog shit tank, really. Just play something else.
Any tank will have leo 1 on the platter in no time.
But they can't put this tank to something like 7.3 either.
21 seconds 0 views bro fell off =(