Oh I forgot to mention. For the last three four months I've been on the fence as to which one of these units I want to purchase. After your video demonstration I think I have to go with the Tascam.
Man I really do enjoy your channel a lot. The content is great, and I really appreciate the time and work that you put into preparing everything so that it's very user-friendly! Happy holidays to you and your family
Excellent video! The dp-24sd and the dp-32sd are amazing units from as far as the UI goes. Anyone familiar with 1986 to 1996 analog tape recording will be blown away be the feature set. The precursors the dp24sd and dp32sd were the dp24 and dp32. These older units sported a mix down to cdrom. I suspect the cdrom versions required some timing logic/components that were needed for the cdrom and the midi. So, once the cdrom was removed, the midi was dumped. Also, I can tell you that the midi versions were readily helpful for timing, they had more bugs than a pigs carcass after a week in an Oklahoma summer. To be honest, it took Tascam years to shake the bugs out. But, the current version the most stable. If remember the workflows of analog recoding, you will just love the feature set in the DP-24sd and DP-32sd
Great video. DP: suited for a serious studio work. Prerecord ideas in or off studio and Integrate in studio workflows. 48K rate is the main reason. R20: Someone producing for less commercial purpose or live small group performances. where sampling rate not a concern, for basic accompaniment tracks. All other features are just smoke screens..don't mean much outside these two main goals.
Thanks for the video! It helped make a decision to get the Tascam. (Used the cassette version in the 80's/90's so hope some of those skills remanifest themselves!)
I had (and ended up selling) the Tascam DP-32sd. Just too large for me. But it is a great recorder. Recently got the Zoom R-20. I’ve been using multitrack recorders since the 90’s. The R-20 is a game changer! I’m really enjoying it so far and the touch screen is awesome. So much easier than its predecessors!
I just ordered one hoping to use it as a tool to quickly get down song ideas and track demos. As a guitar player, the pre baked drum loops are great for me to be able to just drop and track bass and guitar over. Would you say it's good for that? Looking forward to it!
@@guitfiddleblue Gotcha, do you have another device you'd recommend for that use or is the next step up just learning/getting better at programming drums lol?
@@CargoShorts7 I import some drum loops to the R20. I use Cubasis on my iPad (but any app like that would probably do). The WAV file has to be specific to the htz/bit rate and it took me some time to figure out how to get it to match up. The R20 is great to work with though.
Wow I really enjoy your videos comparing these multichannel recorders! I am in the process of boiling it down to between Tascam and Zoom. Your side by side comparison videos have really aided in my decision. Thank You for your unbiased surmise of these units, I really appreciate it!!
I had to learn this the hard way as well. In essence: any physical gain knobs should be adjusted from the board. As a matter of being safe, then save the scene.
Great job as always! I have a brand new DP 32SD just sitting around. I took $100 off the top and attempted to sell it on eBay. I think I'm going back to the Mac based Digital Performer application. I seem to be most productive with DAW. Merry Christmas to you and your family!
I really appreciate your perspective. It's awesome when we are able to find out how we work best to be the most productive. That makes for some great music! Thanks so much for your support, and wishing you and family Happy Holidays. 👍🏿
Great job on this comparison video. The 48khz/24 bit recording and the footswitch are pretty much the main reasons I went with the Tascam DP-24SD. Otherwise, Zoom has pretty much everything else going for it.
Very good Video! I'm using Tascam dp24sd, and it works fine. I starded with a Boss Micro Br, minimal interface but great sound! I upgraded to Zoom R8 and then at home with Tascam. I think that the converters of the Tascam are better then the ones of Zoom. Don't know if they have been improved with the new R20. I normally use Tascam for tracking, i love the overall sound it gets. Then sometimes i export tracks to daw (Cakewalk by bandlab) for further editing, mixing and mastering. Sometimes i mix and master direct in the DP24 and its fine. I also tried to record straight to daw, using the interface oh a guitar multieffects and it's also fine but maybe i prefer the overall sound of Tascam. In the daw i can manage tracks better. I bought also a Boss Br800 with a good trade and use as audio interface and control surface. Interesting. My dream gear coud be a Tascam DP24SD with audio interface and control surface capability. Could be a match winner! Saluti dall'Italia e buona musica!!!!
I also bought a Boss Br-80, then a Zoom R8 and now a Tascam DP 32 SD. I still use the Boss as a multi guitar effect. The sounds are already processed and ready to be used without any further touch-ups. I started recording in 1990 on a Yamaha MT120 4 track recorder (great sound) and owned a few more 4 and 8 track recorders. It seems we have developed a similar workflow. Many fellows think DAW or non-DAW solutions. I use them both. I record on the R8 (without any latency issues) and now on the DP32 SD and mixing and editing is done on the PC with a monitor. I do lots of scrolling while editing songs. Don't want think about doing this on a tiny display. Greets from Germany.
I have the DP: couldn't live without the (optional Tascam) wired footswitch to punch in and out, rewind to mark, etc. The external effects send is also something I use constantly for stand-alone effects units (as Tascam's onboard effects are barely adequate.) The DP is a legitimate hardware solution for advanced recording and mixing that is very familiar for those of us who have grown up in that genre of equipment. The R20 seems to be trying to cross over from a pure hardware platform to something that's more DAW/digital. If I could have one thing on the DP that's 'more digital', it would be a midi sync track.
For details on how to get a MIDI Sync track on the DP-24SD, check out my video "Tascam DP24/DP32 SD Digital Portastudio: SYNC to MIDI (No Hardware Required)", on this channel. The external hardware solution in that video should work with any MIDI device and get the results you're looking for. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Yes, thank you; I had previously watched that video with fascination as you've created a viable work-around... appreciate you sharing. Still hoping Tascam would create a simple inboard solution but as one commenter noted here, the company has probably gone as far as they're going to go with a pure hardware recording platform. The world is digital; not many of us Tascam 244 dinosaurs around anymore. I'm ok with that as the DP24SD is the best piece of gear I've ever owned.
Today I ordered a R20 to give it a shot. They’re only $399. I’m holding off awhile on a DP24SD as my local music store is keeping its eyes out in search for a DP24. Thank you for posting this video.
Zoom had it all with the r24 and somehow they stopped producing it ! I don't know why they did that but the r24 is better than either of these for d.a.w,less users of synthesisers and other instruments. If my r24 fails eventually I hope there are more options on the market by then .
This review is hard, and dare I say it stretches far and wide regarding both devices. The major similarity here is that they are super sleek and compact (I basically drool over their design); as an amateur who has a fair share of interest in recording and multimedia, I will be as fair as I can be within my limited knowledge, declaring here that I never had any of the devices described above - but I do play guitar, and I have an audio interface (coincidentally, a TASCAM US-2x2) on my home computer, so I know a thing or two to get my point across. The DP-24 is a product that's been on the market for ages. I came across one of their earlier versions when it still had a CD port - talk about old-fashioned, even back in the early 10s -, and was glad to see that they updated it into an SD version. TASCAM products are known to be reliable, making this model a true bang for their buck, and definetely something that will make you look like a trained professional in the eyes of your peers just by having one laying around. And with 24 tracks, for small-time recording gigs or home studio projects you need to look no further, and may never have to truly up your game from it. The DP series is made to avoid the computer, being its own workstation (it's not like it isn't clunky or anything), after which you can import and export files between computer and workstation or SD card. But it is an old (but very reliable) unit, and compared to the competition, it is starting to show. The size and lack of portability compared to other devices makes it a solution in the grander scale, where you have a studio reduced to the size of a suitcase you can put on a desk, when this would normally be a whole desk. Still, it's understandable that it's not for everyone, and the target customer might look for something you can easily carry around. Now, in order to have the conversation naturally bleed into the competition, I'll go over a Zoom unit that has just the same number of tracks as the DP-24, which is the R24. Same 8 tracks, same 24 tracks total, with the possibility of using it as an audio interface, and much more portable too, about a fifth of the weight. But, you could easily notice the chassi was made of plastic - so for a build, while it looked professional, it also gave the feel that it was something like a toy. I did, for a time, consider both the DP-24 and the R24 when they fell on my radar, and it was a strong pull between portability, sturdiness, looks and design either way. With the R20, the looks have been updated into a sturdier look, and the device is simply compact that you could easily carry it from place to place, and use it as an audio interface as well; Zoom takes points for selling this pitch of portability, versatility, and user-friedliness. It's an updated product that just got into the market by the time of this review, and it can store a whole TB of info on an SD. It looks like you can't go wrong with this product, right? ...Right? Well... Here's where it gets tricky for the R20. Unlike its predecessors, which came with all inputs of the combo type, the R20 has only 2, leaving the remaining 6 as XLR inputs, and that translates into a lot less musical combinations. If I had an a capella choir, this wouldn't be a problem, but if I have a band that relies heavily on instruments, say, a folk guitar, an electric, a bass, a keyboard and a drum machine, setting it all up would make it problematic. The best I can equate this is to the R8, the 'baby' of the Zoom R series. It has only 2 combo inputs, where you'd have to take turns for your instruments and voices, and that would make it a repetitive process. Of course, it is a bit unfair to compare the R20 to an entry-level product, but the same situation presents itsel, if to a lesser degree - the R20 is, just like the R8, not a solution for bands that rely heavily on instruments. In the case of the R8, well you'd go to the bigger brothers, the R16 or the R24. So why this sleek, sturdy, light AF, professional looking, updated-for-its-time beauty only coming with two combo inputs, when all the inputs on the previous models were combo, is beyond my understanding. Sure, you can have two guitars, or a guitar and a bass, leaving the XLR inputs for the mikes, but anything more than that, and the problem will persist. In a band, you normally have one, maybe two vocals. Why is a product that's band-oriented built with podcasts in mind? For that you got the Podtrak series! Which is a shame, really. If all the inputs were combo, this device would be like an insta-buy for an informed amateur like me. Instead, I find myself still looking at older units, and how they would suit me best, and crying over the fact their designs are not so clean and their functionalities more limited. Why, Zoom... Why?
I’ve got a tascam and a zoom..and a fully blown studio with real synths…but I use an iPad Pro 12.9 inch with terra bites of memory..using Logic Pro with a midi controller keyboard 61 key ..with the iPad I have access to many pro synthesis and samplers..like akai Mpc,Roland,korg,Novation,Yamaha,moog..ect..the list is endless…it’s lightweight and portable and you don’t actually need the keyboard to record…..trust me..get an iPad Pro…as a musician..I can truly say..it will change your life…cheers…☝️🥂🙏🏻💪🧨
Which product is best? That depends not on what you want, but on what you need to be the most productive in your home studio. I wanted to provide some important facts that can help you make the best possible decisions, based on your requirements. I hope this presentation serves useful to anyone interested. 👍🏿
ill tell you !!! i own them both !!!!!! the Tascam is sturdier and more durable !!! last longer on the flip of the token the zoom has more features but its very very very very delicate!!!!!! and they burn very easy !! i have a grave yard of zoom products!!! learned the hard way !! and you can too!!!
It looks like the #3 comparison is incorrect. I own the DP24SD. Bit depth can be set to either 16 or 24, and sampling rate can be set to either 44.1 or 48, giving a total of 4 combinations. I have definitely recorded at 24/44.1. According to the R20 manual, sampling rate is fixed at 44.1, but bit depths of 16 and 24 are available. Now, my opinion. The technology in the DP24 is a decade old and is being surpassed by Tascam's own products. I'm talking about preamps, analog to digital converters, effects, and the display. It is screaming (metaphorically :) ) for an upgrade, but Tascam has so far decided that a new DP series is not worth their while economically. I'm hoping that the R20 (and yet to be announced R28?) will force Tascam's hand. Otherwise, I will likely record on an R20/28 and master on my Tascam. Happy holidays to all.
The #3 comparison for the DP-24SD is indeed correct. It displays the standard recommended bit rates at each Khz for recording setting, which was the intent. Your additional information is a good addition to that information.Thanks so much for watching and sharing your perspective. It's appreciated and Happy Holidays to you as well. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Okay, thanks for the clarification. Anyway, nice comparison video. I'm hoping there will be a follow up soon when Zoom unveils its R28.
Your project can be mixed down and output as a stereo mixdown file (WAV). The mixdown stereo file will be saved in the “AUDIO” folder on the SD card with the following format. • Sample rate: 44.1 kHz • Bit depth: This is set during project creation *A mixdown button on the touchscreen puts the unit into "Mixdown" mode. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
I enjoy your presentation thank you. I have a question for you sir. Would it make sense to do the recording on the R 20 and use the Tascam for mastering? I'm asking cause i have the Tascam DP 32 with the CD Burner and i really like the Zoom R 20.
If you have an app you your phone that allows you to record audio with an adapter, then answer is yes. I don't work that way so I can't make any suggestions, but if you search you should be able to find a software package that works for you. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Hello, I am planning to buy R20 and I am interested if I use Logic Pro with Mac, should I switch studio monitors on Mac ? Because as in the video mentions, R20 does not have monitor input. So, where should I switch monitors?
For me is important, that the Multitrack can Audio Quantize, Midi to record Synthesizer and has got enough Prozessorpower to use Effects on every Single Track. Is this possible with R20? Further more I need the possibility to import Midi and Audiotracks from extern to practice Guitar or play (record in clean) with Amp Models like Boss BR 80 and continue working in DAW. Is this possible here in both?
If I'm understanding your 1st question, The answer is "No". These units are digital audio recorders, not sequencers. If you want to quantize synth tracks, this is generally done using a sequencer. You can import audio tracks to both units as long as they are in the correct audio file format that the unit's require ecognize. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Wait how about sound quality? Now the fact that the DP goes to 48 KHZ will make a difference for sibilence. Things will sound a bit brighter. The mixdown thing surprised me cause a lot of other Zooms do mix down. The voice over thing with the Zoom is verry much cool. I'm blind and if it is as accessible as Zoom clames I'd be able to use the thing totally on my own. About time. I've been 1 of the 1s harping and harping on Zoom to make something that talks. Now if the BP doesn't need you to dive threw menus much meh it need not talk much. Though it would be cool for when you do dive into the menus.
We know both units offer professional sound quality. However Zoom's preamps are better than the DP. With this, depending on what you're doing and how you do it the sound quality will vary. Thanks for checking out the video and for sharing. It's appreciated. 👍🏿
Hi, Powercoat Music. Do you know if i can use a recorded track as a clic? This feature comes in the R8, and is very useful for songs with variations of beat. If in the R20 i can send some output track only to the headphones out, and not to the main output, i can solve that issue. Can you help me?
The R20 has a metronome with a precount function. This metronome, which can function during recording and playback, has switchable sounds and precount on and off settings. Also, the metronome volume can be adjusted for different outputs, for example, to make the sound loud only in headphones. I hope this helps and thanks for watching. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Thank you very much for the answer, but the beat is not variable, and one of my songs has different beats. The option would be to be able to assign a track as a click, with output only to headphones, an option that the R8 has. Too bad, very nice device, but it does not work for me.
I bought the R20 a few weeks ago & just returned it. The touch screen was either non-responsive or too responsive. The drum patterns are not as many nor as good as compared to an old Boss BR600 or BR800. Because the touchscreen had issues, I wasn’t able to finish a project. I will be getting the DP24SD as I still have my old Boss equipment & a new Akai MPC ONE.
@@b.j.jennings5020 Great. I’ve only done one short project so far. “Back of Her Hair” - on my channel, WALSKY, was done with the MPC ONE and Tascam DP24SD. They’re the best purchase I’ve made. Im working on a new project now
I'm looking for my first MT recorder and going around in circles a bit. Got an MPC1,TR8-S and some other gear but reading between the lines the DP24SD looks the one to go for although for simplicity of use the R20 gets more points.I've also seen a BR600 for £99 and a BR800 for £175 and would appreciate some advice as a novice hobby musicianalist please !
@@twiglet2214 The R20 is Chinese junk. The drum tracks are few and the touch screen is poor. Using your MPC ONE to enter in every drum note will make you a better creator rather than relying on a machine that has it done for you. I just finished my 4th project using the MPC ONE and the DP24SD. I’ll publish it in a hour or so. I’ve used recorders since 2006 and I’m very happy with the DP24SD.
@@WALSKY Great to hear thanks Walter i somehow was veering towards the DP24SD and the touchscreen on the R20 doesn't get good feedback either.Good to hear the voice of experience speaking clearly and reassuringly so thank you very much.
There are no send effect outputs like on the DP-24. R20 send and insert effects work differently. For the Send effect, the input or playback sounds from individual tracks are sent to this effect. The sound with the effect applied is output through the PHONES and OUTPUT jacks, so it can be checked through headphones or powered monitors. The amount the effect is applied can be adjusted by setting the level sent to the effect (send level). The send effect does not affect recording data, but it does affect mixdown data. This effect can be applied to multiple tracks, allowing it to be used, for example, to add reverb to every track. For the Insert effect, This effect is applied directly to the track, so it does affect recording data. Use this to record a guitar with distortion, for example. The insert effect can only be used on one track. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
I just need to convert my vinyl to high quality digital format that is 96k or better. If I cud remove pops and clicks that is a luxury, but sound quality is a must. I am familiar with electronics circuitry, so I will tweak the circuit including making the mic pre into RIAA.... So which digital recorders I sud buy, any advice from the old hand ? Tks
If you are looking for the best sound quality, I wouldn't recommend using the mic preamp. The bulk of your sound quality is going to come from 2 places. The phono cart and the phono preamp. There's a lot of misinformation on this topic, but its very important you match the 2. Also, there's no way you're going to pull enough information off a record using the mic preamp to justify recording in hi rez. I don't know what your budget is, but I can give you a couple of suggestions for you to consider. If you can, get the lowest output moving coil cartridge you can afford, and match it to a phono preamp of equal quality. If a setup like that is out of your price range, a good price/performance system would be to get a high output moving coil cart (HOMC - about 2.5-3mv), and match it to a good quality moving magnet phono stage. This is a great way to go, but the one thing you need to be careful of is the phono stage. There's a very good chance whoever you buy this from is going to try and sell you a moving coil phono preamp because you would be using a moving coil cart. It will not work. You'll have way too much gain, and the signal will distort. But even if you go with a low cost moving magnet cart and preamp, you'll still be much better off than using a mic preamp. If you are just going to use this setup to rip vinyl, you can always sell everything when you are done. If you list this stuff on Audiogon or Ebay, you'll get most of your money back, and it will sell right away. So, there's not much downside.
Split between the 2. The Tascam has no built-in drum kits,limited to 32GSDCards, but has rca+punch pedal access. Sometimes evolution don't mean better and pratical. I think portable recording consoles took the wrong path circa 2006-2010. Having purchased reel to reel, cassette portastudios to CD recorders to hardrive consoles. I was very disappointed with the Zoom "R" series. Slow unit, getting "Stop Recorder" when you want to change a parameter, no playable pads to record drum sounds, only an unpractical beat programmer along with a tiny screen display. The "R" series was a downgrade. This new Zoom R20 is interesting for sure with its portability and touch screen, and i would need to experience the internal drums and editing functions before drawing any conclusions. Along with the "L" series and "R",,, to me, the best of all recording consoles was the solid metal chassis made in japan Zoom MRS1608. 8 track at once recording with available switchable phantom power with also a total of 16 tracks along with the 8 inputs in the rear ,there was also an easy access panel in the front with inputs for phones and 1/4" hi-z instruments,, a USB sound card to export, very large screen display, parameters adjustable while recording or playing with no "Stop recorder" or hourglass waiting, the best drum machine ever with 12 sensative drum pads that you could play and record "Live" and even play cymbals and fills with the pads while the drum machine was playing and the unit recording everything at once. The pads could even be used to execute samples, USB out, RCA outs, RCA ins,Optical out, 1/4" out and to top it off it could burn CDs. The only upgrade Zoom should have done, would've been to upgrade the 16bits to 24bits. Not downgrade everything to a small screen not playable drum machine slow loading SDCard data extracting with an annoying hourglass and having to stop everything to make a parameter adjustment. A New MRS series at 24bits with 24 tracks , a DAW-like touch screen and a complete built-in drum machine with playable pads is what musicians still need.
I agree but instead of the Zoom MRS1608, I'm looking at the one that came right after that, the Zoom HD16, which seemed to keep all the MRS1608 features but added USB 2 and some other things, but like you said that was it - starting with the R series no more midi sync, great drum machine, sampling etc.
I've used the R24 for around 7 years. The multi-faceted menu-accessed EQ and effects drive me insane. By the time you get the sound figured out you've lost your inspiration. The size is nice but I'm watching this video because I'm really interested in going back to a Tascam product. The last Tascam product I owned, nearly 14 years ago, was the DP 8CF, or something like that. It used a compact flash card as media. At the time I was not using appropriate studio monitors, creating a horrible EQ balance when I played my material on a home stereo or car stereo. As a result I assumed that the problem was the Tascam. I sold it and bought an Akai 16trk which was excellent. I made some of the best recordings of my life with that machine. Eventually it got old and beat up and I had to sell it and I bought the Zoom R24. At times I produce some impressive results without having to go menu diving so much to get the right sound and balance, but I think it's just dumb luck. By tomorrow I will probably have a DP24CD or -32CD on the way. I'm not going to sell the R24 though. I've always found the internal microphones to be quite adequate. I'm going to use it for live recording and copy the tracks to the Tascam when I get it. Both of them have their uses. Some of the effects on the zoom or excellent, but just not fun to work with.i like the approach of having everything spread out before me much bette, at least when playing. For mastering I don't mind a menu or PC based approach and might actually prefer it then.
For many people, "Mobile" or "Portable" means a smaller size that you can easily transport from one place to another. Not necessarily that a unit can run on batteries or not. Especially these days when there are various types of alternative power sources available at so many locations. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Just looked at the R20 manual and it says you can mixdown to a stereo wav. I think what he means is, is that the Tascam has mastering effects in addition to this.
@@obidenim the R20 doesn't have master effects? I have been reading a bit on this device (also have the R16), noticed the R20 lacks a bunch of features.
At 4:45 or so you say "this easily lets you track an entire band". I have to disagree. 8 mic channels is not enough to get a good capture of a band of any size if you are going to mix down later. You need at least 4 mics on the drums if you are going to have any flexibility at the mixdown stage. Kick, snare, plus at least a couple of overhead or ambient mics. (That's a minimum, more would be very desirable). With 8 mic channels you're then left with only 4 to record everything else: how are you going to fit everything in? Maybe if you have just one guitar, bass, keyboard and vocalist you could just squeeze it in. But if you have more than one guitar or vocal, or want stereo on the keyboards, you're SOL. For some reason affordable portable recorders seem to have been stuck at 8 input channels for years... I had a Korg D888 almost 10 years ago and things don't seem to have advanced much since then!
At 4:45, I was not referring to recording a larger live band, the intent was multi-tracking in the studio (maybe unclear there). I would recommend an expanded setup to address live band recording. It's good to remember that the inputs are expandable, so you're not limited. There different solutions available (with submixing) to address that. Thanks for watching and sharing. It's very appreciated. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic True, 8 channels is fine for recording the rhythm section if you are going to build up a song using overdubs later. Bass and a guide guitar track leaves 6 for drums, which should give you plenty of options at the mixdown stage. Heck, Glyn Johns often used only 4 mics on drums! I've used the old D888 that way for a lot of stuff, back when pre-covid days let us work closely with other musicians.. :-( I'm just a bit surprised that there aren't quite a few affordable machines available today with 16 simultaneous mic record channels... after all, the digital electronics has gotten a lot cheaper over the years. Maybe I've overlooked some; over the last couple of years I've been hunkered down in the studio working with friends over the internet rather than a full band situation....
Maybe they should join forces and become Tasoom...or Zoocam.!! Needed...10" touch screens.!! Needed.. 32 track capability Needed ... At least 2 hi z inputs Needed... 5 gig of live drum samples.!! Needed... The best highest quality Mastering abilities with out the need for accomputer.!! Yes...A phucking true stand alone recording studio.!! This pick and choose method of creating new hardware without input from those who know what they want and need " the purchaser".!! Is the downfall of all recording units.!
Without at least 48khz… what’s the point..? I remember how rad the AW4416 was when it came out.. It’s still usable due to it being 24/48k and it sounds Terrific.. (plus the effects are astounding)..With the Waves card it’s still a great sounding, valuable and very competent tool… I know..Different video .. But still 48k is important, There is a noticeable difference.. O.t. Unreal.. Used to cost an inheritance to get your band a decent demo… Now a 15 year old with a pc can do it..(better).. I will say that ever since this recording revolution…Music in general, has suffered… massively.. Everything kinda sucks(really) It sounds the same, feels the same and is cringe.. Not sure how it’s related but home studios probably play a factor. “No Artists” worth taking notice of in decades, Nothing worth anything music wise has come out after 2000.. Perhaps “the Darkness” and a few ones managed to do something cool but for the most part.. Good Music is dead.. ( 60-70-80’s we’re soo RAD.. Even the 90’s were Luke warm at best, even with nirvana, cult and the left over rock from the earlier decades ..All grunge sounded the same anyway..).. Yeah, Music is dead, Unless your a rainbow touting, woke, indoctrinated leftist stooge…For Now.. Once we fix America from the election rigging Leftist (Nazis)and rid Europe of the Brussels/U.N./ liberals(Nazis) again..Perhaps good music will come back?
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Oh I forgot to mention. For the last three four months I've been on the fence as to which one of these units I want to purchase. After your video demonstration I think I have to go with the Tascam.
I would only add, as someone who owns both units, that mastering the Tascam requires a LOT more time and effort than the more user-friednly R20.
Man I really do enjoy your channel a lot. The content is great, and I really appreciate the time and work that you put into preparing everything so that it's very user-friendly! Happy holidays to you and your family
Thanks you so much for your kind words and support. It's appreciated. Happy Holidays as well to you and family. 👍🏿
Excellent video! The dp-24sd and the dp-32sd are amazing units from as far as the UI goes. Anyone familiar with 1986 to 1996 analog tape recording will be blown away be the feature set.
The precursors the dp24sd and dp32sd were the dp24 and dp32. These older units sported a mix down to cdrom. I suspect the cdrom versions required some timing logic/components that were needed for the cdrom and the midi. So, once the cdrom was removed, the midi was dumped. Also, I can tell you that the midi versions were readily helpful for timing, they had more bugs than a pigs carcass after a week in an Oklahoma summer.
To be honest, it took Tascam years to shake the bugs out. But, the current version the most stable. If remember the workflows of analog recoding, you will just love the feature set in the DP-24sd and DP-32sd
Glad you are back.
Hope all is well.
I am Tascam all the way.
Thanks so much for watching and sharing. 👍🏿
Great video.
DP: suited for a serious studio work. Prerecord ideas in or off studio and Integrate in studio workflows. 48K rate is the main reason.
R20: Someone producing for less commercial purpose or live small group performances. where sampling rate not a concern, for basic accompaniment tracks.
All other features are just smoke screens..don't mean much outside these two main goals.
Beyond the content, you are an excellent presenter brother!
Thanks for the video! It helped make a decision to get the Tascam. (Used the cassette version in the 80's/90's so hope some of those skills remanifest themselves!)
Thanks so much for watching. 👍🏿
I had (and ended up selling) the Tascam DP-32sd. Just too large for me. But it is a great recorder. Recently got the Zoom R-20. I’ve been using multitrack recorders since the 90’s. The R-20 is a game changer! I’m really enjoying it so far and the touch screen is awesome. So much easier than its predecessors!
Thanks for watching and sharing. 👍🏿
I just ordered one hoping to use it as a tool to quickly get down song ideas and track demos. As a guitar player, the pre baked drum loops are great for me to be able to just drop and track bass and guitar over. Would you say it's good for that? Looking forward to it!
@@CargoShorts7 the drum loops are limited but they sound good and work well.
@@guitfiddleblue Gotcha, do you have another device you'd recommend for that use or is the next step up just learning/getting better at programming drums lol?
@@CargoShorts7 I import some drum loops to the R20. I use Cubasis on my iPad (but any app like that would probably do). The WAV file has to be specific to the htz/bit rate and it took me some time to figure out how to get it to match up. The R20 is great to work with though.
Wow I really enjoy your videos comparing these multichannel recorders! I am in the process of boiling it down to between Tascam and Zoom. Your side by side comparison videos have really aided in my decision. Thank You for your unbiased surmise of these units, I really appreciate it!!
You're most welcome. Thanks for watching and sharing. 👍🏿
I had to learn this the hard way as well. In essence: any physical gain knobs should be adjusted from the board. As a matter of being safe, then save the scene.
Great presention bud ... I've ordered an R20 on the strength of this .... solo musician writing own tunes from the UK 🇬🇧
Great job as always! I have a brand new DP 32SD just sitting around. I took $100 off the top and attempted to sell it on eBay. I think I'm going back to the Mac based Digital Performer application. I seem to be most productive with DAW.
Merry Christmas to you and your family!
I really appreciate your perspective. It's awesome when we are able to find out how we work best to be the most productive. That makes for some great music! Thanks so much for your support, and wishing you and family Happy Holidays. 👍🏿
Another essential must-see video. Thank you!
You're most welcome. Thanks for watching.
I like this touch screen generation
Great job on this comparison video. The 48khz/24 bit recording and the footswitch are pretty much the main reasons I went with the Tascam DP-24SD. Otherwise, Zoom has pretty much everything else going for it.
This is the video I knew you would do, and the one I was waiting on. Thank you.
You're most welcome. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Very good Video! I'm using Tascam dp24sd, and it works fine. I starded with a Boss Micro Br, minimal interface but great sound! I upgraded to Zoom R8 and then at home with Tascam. I think that the converters of the Tascam are better then the ones of Zoom. Don't know if they have been improved with the new R20. I normally use Tascam for tracking, i love the overall sound it gets. Then sometimes i export tracks to daw (Cakewalk by bandlab) for further editing, mixing and mastering. Sometimes i mix and master direct in the DP24 and its fine. I also tried to record straight to daw, using the interface oh a guitar multieffects and it's also fine but maybe i prefer the overall sound of Tascam. In the daw i can manage tracks better. I bought also a Boss Br800 with a good trade and use as audio interface and control surface. Interesting. My dream gear coud be a Tascam DP24SD with audio interface and control surface capability. Could be a match winner! Saluti dall'Italia e buona musica!!!!
I also bought a Boss Br-80, then a Zoom R8 and now a Tascam DP 32 SD. I still use the Boss as a multi guitar effect. The sounds are already processed and ready to be used without any further touch-ups.
I started recording in 1990 on a Yamaha MT120 4 track recorder (great sound) and owned a few more 4 and 8 track recorders. It seems we have developed a similar workflow. Many fellows think DAW or non-DAW solutions. I use them both. I record on the R8 (without any latency issues) and now on the DP32 SD and mixing and editing is done on the PC with a monitor. I do lots of scrolling while editing songs. Don't want think about doing this on a tiny display. Greets from Germany.
Had a couple tascams but I'm sold on the Zoom now because of the synth.
To each, their own. It really comes down to what works best for you, right? Thanks for watching.
I have the DP: couldn't live without the (optional Tascam) wired footswitch to punch in and out, rewind to mark, etc. The external effects send is also something I use constantly for stand-alone effects units (as Tascam's onboard effects are barely adequate.) The DP is a legitimate hardware solution for advanced recording and mixing that is very familiar for those of us who have grown up in that genre of equipment. The R20 seems to be trying to cross over from a pure hardware platform to something that's more DAW/digital. If I could have one thing on the DP that's 'more digital', it would be a midi sync track.
For details on how to get a MIDI Sync track on the DP-24SD, check out my video "Tascam DP24/DP32 SD Digital Portastudio: SYNC to MIDI (No Hardware Required)", on this channel. The external hardware solution in that video should work with any MIDI device and get the results you're looking for. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Yes, thank you; I had previously watched that video with fascination as you've created a viable work-around... appreciate you sharing. Still hoping Tascam would create a simple inboard solution but as one commenter noted here, the company has probably gone as far as they're going to go with a pure hardware recording platform. The world is digital; not many of us Tascam 244 dinosaurs around anymore. I'm ok with that as the DP24SD is the best piece of gear I've ever owned.
Today I ordered a R20 to give it a shot. They’re only $399. I’m holding off awhile on a DP24SD as my local music store is keeping its eyes out in search for a DP24. Thank you for posting this video.
get a tascam 2488 they are better the dp24sd is junk does not have midi or anyway to bypass the awful preamps
@@theprogrammerrolandmc3039 thank you for input. I’ll look into it.
Yo bro can you make some update video's on these 2 units, thanks
Thanx for this comparison video. It definitely helped me make up my mind. Subscribed!!
Thanks for watching and subscribing. 👍🏿
Tascam has better pre-amps as well as the functionality to record at a higher bitrate to actually hear the difference.
r20 for me !
0:38 my first home studio. Still got the tapes for it and the 8-track version #imOld 😎
Good presentation, but the title says it is the DP-32, not the DP-24.
Corrected! Thanks so much for the update and for watching. 👍🏿
Zoom had it all with the r24 and somehow they stopped producing it ! I don't know why they did that but the r24 is better than either of these for d.a.w,less users of synthesisers and other instruments. If my r24 fails eventually I hope there are more options on the market by then .
Thank you for a fantastic presentation and explanation
Thanks so much for watching. 👍🏿
This review is hard, and dare I say it stretches far and wide regarding both devices. The major similarity here is that they are super sleek and compact (I basically drool over their design); as an amateur who has a fair share of interest in recording and multimedia, I will be as fair as I can be within my limited knowledge, declaring here that I never had any of the devices described above - but I do play guitar, and I have an audio interface (coincidentally, a TASCAM US-2x2) on my home computer, so I know a thing or two to get my point across.
The DP-24 is a product that's been on the market for ages. I came across one of their earlier versions when it still had a CD port - talk about old-fashioned, even back in the early 10s -, and was glad to see that they updated it into an SD version. TASCAM products are known to be reliable, making this model a true bang for their buck, and definetely something that will make you look like a trained professional in the eyes of your peers just by having one laying around. And with 24 tracks, for small-time recording gigs or home studio projects you need to look no further, and may never have to truly up your game from it. The DP series is made to avoid the computer, being its own workstation (it's not like it isn't clunky or anything), after which you can import and export files between computer and workstation or SD card.
But it is an old (but very reliable) unit, and compared to the competition, it is starting to show. The size and lack of portability compared to other devices makes it a solution in the grander scale, where you have a studio reduced to the size of a suitcase you can put on a desk, when this would normally be a whole desk. Still, it's understandable that it's not for everyone, and the target customer might look for something you can easily carry around.
Now, in order to have the conversation naturally bleed into the competition, I'll go over a Zoom unit that has just the same number of tracks as the DP-24, which is the R24. Same 8 tracks, same 24 tracks total, with the possibility of using it as an audio interface, and much more portable too, about a fifth of the weight. But, you could easily notice the chassi was made of plastic - so for a build, while it looked professional, it also gave the feel that it was something like a toy. I did, for a time, consider both the DP-24 and the R24 when they fell on my radar, and it was a strong pull between portability, sturdiness, looks and design either way.
With the R20, the looks have been updated into a sturdier look, and the device is simply compact that you could easily carry it from place to place, and use it as an audio interface as well; Zoom takes points for selling this pitch of portability, versatility, and user-friedliness. It's an updated product that just got into the market by the time of this review, and it can store a whole TB of info on an SD. It looks like you can't go wrong with this product, right? ...Right?
Well... Here's where it gets tricky for the R20. Unlike its predecessors, which came with all inputs of the combo type, the R20 has only 2, leaving the remaining 6 as XLR inputs, and that translates into a lot less musical combinations. If I had an a capella choir, this wouldn't be a problem, but if I have a band that relies heavily on instruments, say, a folk guitar, an electric, a bass, a keyboard and a drum machine, setting it all up would make it problematic.
The best I can equate this is to the R8, the 'baby' of the Zoom R series. It has only 2 combo inputs, where you'd have to take turns for your instruments and voices, and that would make it a repetitive process. Of course, it is a bit unfair to compare the R20 to an entry-level product, but the same situation presents itsel, if to a lesser degree - the R20 is, just like the R8, not a solution for bands that rely heavily on instruments. In the case of the R8, well you'd go to the bigger brothers, the R16 or the R24.
So why this sleek, sturdy, light AF, professional looking, updated-for-its-time beauty only coming with two combo inputs, when all the inputs on the previous models were combo, is beyond my understanding. Sure, you can have two guitars, or a guitar and a bass, leaving the XLR inputs for the mikes, but anything more than that, and the problem will persist. In a band, you normally have one, maybe two vocals. Why is a product that's band-oriented built with podcasts in mind? For that you got the Podtrak series!
Which is a shame, really. If all the inputs were combo, this device would be like an insta-buy for an informed amateur like me. Instead, I find myself still looking at older units, and how they would suit me best, and crying over the fact their designs are not so clean and their functionalities more limited. Why, Zoom... Why?
Thanks for watching and for your attention to detail and additional information. 👍🏿
Great video. Thanks always inspiring
Thanks so much for watching.
I’ve got a tascam and a zoom..and a fully blown studio with real synths…but I use an iPad Pro 12.9 inch with terra bites of memory..using Logic Pro with a midi controller keyboard 61 key ..with the iPad I have access to many pro synthesis and samplers..like akai Mpc,Roland,korg,Novation,Yamaha,moog..ect..the list is endless…it’s lightweight and portable and you don’t actually need the keyboard to record…..trust me..get an iPad Pro…as a musician..I can truly say..it will change your life…cheers…☝️🥂🙏🏻💪🧨
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@@awjaaa I agee man. 😂
Which product is best? That depends not on what you want, but on what you need to be the most productive in your home studio. I wanted to provide some important facts that can help you make the best possible decisions, based on your requirements. I hope this presentation serves useful to anyone interested. 👍🏿
ill tell you !!! i own them both !!!!!! the Tascam is sturdier and more durable !!! last longer on the flip of the token the zoom has more features but its very very very very delicate!!!!!! and they burn very easy !! i have a grave yard of zoom products!!! learned the hard way !! and you can too!!!
It looks like the #3 comparison is incorrect. I own the DP24SD. Bit depth can be set to either 16 or 24, and sampling rate can be set to either 44.1 or 48, giving a total of 4 combinations. I have definitely recorded at 24/44.1. According to the R20 manual, sampling rate is fixed at 44.1, but bit depths of 16 and 24 are available.
Now, my opinion. The technology in the DP24 is a decade old and is being surpassed by Tascam's own products. I'm talking about preamps, analog to digital converters, effects, and the display. It is screaming (metaphorically :) ) for an upgrade, but Tascam has so far decided that a new DP series is not worth their while economically. I'm hoping that the R20 (and yet to be announced R28?) will force Tascam's hand. Otherwise, I will likely record on an R20/28 and master on my Tascam.
Happy holidays to all.
The #3 comparison for the DP-24SD is indeed correct. It displays the standard recommended bit rates at each Khz for recording setting, which was the intent. Your additional information is a good addition to that information.Thanks so much for watching and sharing your perspective. It's appreciated and Happy Holidays to you as well. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Okay, thanks for the clarification. Anyway, nice comparison video. I'm hoping there will be a follow up soon when Zoom unveils its R28.
Can you chop splice copy like the r20 ,can you also record tracks in reverse aka back masking slightly delay tracks for old school effects
Very informative video, although a bit dry and slow pace.
I ordered the R20...Waiting for it...
Let us know how you like it when you get it? Thanks so much for watching and sharing. 👍🏿
Subscribed. Nice smile. Choo choo!
Thanks for watching and for your support!
Fantastic video. Thank you. 👍
Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Great video! I learned to produce on a Roland 1880. My question is if you can't mixdown on the R20, how are you supposed to produce a final product?
Your project can be mixed down and output as a stereo mixdown file (WAV).
The mixdown stereo file will be saved in the “AUDIO” folder on the SD card with the following format.
• Sample rate: 44.1 kHz
• Bit depth: This is set during project creation
*A mixdown button on the touchscreen puts the unit into "Mixdown" mode. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
You can use cards much larger than 32GB on the Tascam.
Hello there, thank you for the video. I can’t get the vocal effects to work, is there a video on this?
I enjoy your presentation thank you. I have a question for you sir. Would it make sense to do the recording on the R 20 and use the Tascam for mastering?
I'm asking cause i have the Tascam DP 32 with the CD Burner and i really like the Zoom R 20.
Are we going to get a tutorial on R20 soon sir Thanks? and the manual is not available we can we download one at, thanks Happy Holidays
If I can get one for an extended amount of time I will. Check Zoom's website for the manual. Happy Holidays to you too and thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Can I plug zoom into phone to get studio quality for my lives and social media uploads . If not do you know which do thank you I'll go with zoom
If you have an app you your phone that allows you to record audio with an adapter, then answer is yes. I don't work that way so I can't make any suggestions, but if you search you should be able to find a software package that works for you. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
This was very helpful ! Thank you - you got a “ like “ and “ subscribe “ from me
Thanks so much for watching. You're support is appreciated. 👍🏿
Great comparison.
Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Great content! Thanks for this.
Thanks so much for watching. 👍🏿
Hello, I am planning to buy R20 and I am interested if I use Logic Pro with Mac, should I switch studio monitors on Mac ? Because as in the video mentions, R20 does not have monitor input. So, where should I switch monitors?
For me is important, that the Multitrack can Audio Quantize, Midi to record Synthesizer and has got enough Prozessorpower to use Effects on every Single Track. Is this possible with R20?
Further more I need the possibility to import Midi and Audiotracks from extern to practice Guitar or play (record in clean) with Amp Models like Boss BR 80 and continue working in DAW. Is this possible here in both?
If I'm understanding your 1st question, The answer is "No". These units are digital audio recorders, not sequencers. If you want to quantize synth tracks, this is generally done using a sequencer. You can import audio tracks to both units as long as they are in the correct audio file format that the unit's require
ecognize. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic yes, i'm searching for a multitrack device with functions of DAW..Thanks for answer!
Wait how about sound quality? Now the fact that the DP goes to 48 KHZ will make a difference for sibilence. Things will sound a bit brighter. The mixdown thing surprised me cause a lot of other Zooms do mix down. The voice over thing with the Zoom is verry much cool. I'm blind and if it is as accessible as Zoom clames I'd be able to use the thing totally on my own. About time. I've been 1 of the 1s harping and harping on Zoom to make something that talks. Now if the BP doesn't need you to dive threw menus much meh it need not talk much. Though it would be cool for when you do dive into the menus.
We know both units offer professional sound quality. However Zoom's preamps are better than the DP. With this, depending on what you're doing and how you do it the sound quality will vary. Thanks for checking out the video and for sharing. It's appreciated. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Ah okay thanks.
Hi, Powercoat Music. Do you know if i can use a recorded track as a clic? This feature comes in the R8, and is very useful for songs with variations of beat. If in the R20 i can send some output track only to the headphones out, and not to the main output, i can solve that issue. Can you help me?
The R20 has a metronome with a precount function. This metronome, which can function during recording and playback, has switchable sounds and precount on and off settings. Also, the metronome volume can be adjusted for different outputs, for example, to make the sound loud only in headphones. I hope this helps and thanks for watching. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Thank you very much for the answer, but the beat is not variable, and one of my songs has different beats. The option would be to be able to assign a track as a click, with output only to headphones, an option that the R8 has. Too bad, very nice device, but it does not work for me.
8:17 will it be a problem plugging in my Roland drum kit, into the Tascam it is a 3.5 Input on the kit
I bought the R20 a few weeks ago & just returned it. The touch screen was either non-responsive or too responsive. The drum patterns are not as many nor as good as compared to an old Boss BR600 or BR800. Because the touchscreen had issues, I wasn’t able to finish a project. I will be getting the DP24SD as I still have my old Boss equipment & a new Akai MPC ONE.
How did the DP24 fit with your MPC One I'm thinking of getting the same setup
@@b.j.jennings5020 Great. I’ve only done one short project so far. “Back of Her Hair” - on my channel, WALSKY, was done with the MPC ONE and Tascam DP24SD. They’re the best purchase I’ve made. Im working on a new project now
I'm looking for my first MT recorder and going around in circles a bit. Got an MPC1,TR8-S and some other gear but reading between the lines the DP24SD looks the one to go for although for simplicity of use the R20 gets more points.I've also seen a BR600 for £99 and a BR800 for £175 and would appreciate some advice as a novice hobby musicianalist please !
@@twiglet2214 The R20 is Chinese junk. The drum tracks are few and the touch screen is poor. Using your MPC ONE to enter in every drum note will make you a better creator rather than relying on a machine that has it done for you. I just finished my 4th project using the MPC ONE and the DP24SD. I’ll publish it in a hour or so. I’ve used recorders since 2006 and I’m very happy with the DP24SD.
@@WALSKY Great to hear thanks Walter i somehow was veering towards the DP24SD and the touchscreen on the R20 doesn't get good feedback either.Good to hear the voice of experience speaking clearly and reassuringly so thank you very much.
No effect sends on the Zoom ?
There are no send effect outputs like on the DP-24. R20 send and insert effects work differently. For the Send effect, the input or playback sounds from individual tracks are sent to this effect. The sound with the effect applied is output through the PHONES and OUTPUT jacks, so it can be checked through headphones or powered monitors. The amount the effect is applied can be adjusted by setting the level sent to the effect (send level). The send effect does not affect recording data, but it does affect mixdown data. This effect can be applied to multiple tracks, allowing it to be used, for example, to add reverb to every track. For the Insert effect, This effect is applied directly to the track, so it does affect recording data. Use this to record a guitar with distortion, for example. The insert effect can only be used on one track. I hope this helps. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
Para cuándo un nuevo portaestudio de Tascam?
no sé.
Can R20 "Bounce Down"?
Yes, but not in a way you would expect. It's more of a workaround. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
I just need to convert my vinyl to high quality digital format that is 96k or better. If I cud remove pops and clicks that is a luxury, but sound quality is a must.
I am familiar with electronics circuitry, so I will tweak the circuit including making the mic pre into RIAA....
So which digital recorders I sud buy, any advice from the old hand ?
Tks
If you are looking for the best sound quality, I wouldn't recommend using the mic preamp. The bulk of your sound quality is going to come from 2 places. The phono cart and the phono preamp. There's a lot of misinformation on this topic, but its very important you match the 2. Also, there's no way you're going to pull enough information off a record using the mic preamp to justify recording in hi rez.
I don't know what your budget is, but I can give you a couple of suggestions for you to consider. If you can, get the lowest output moving coil cartridge you can afford, and match it to a phono preamp of equal quality. If a setup like that is out of your price range, a good price/performance system would be to get a high output moving coil cart (HOMC - about 2.5-3mv), and match it to a good quality moving magnet phono stage. This is a great way to go, but the one thing you need to be careful of is the phono stage. There's a very good chance whoever you buy this from is going to try and sell you a moving coil phono preamp because you would be using a moving coil cart. It will not work. You'll have way too much gain, and the signal will distort. But even if you go with a low cost moving magnet cart and preamp, you'll still be much better off than using a mic preamp.
If you are just going to use this setup to rip vinyl, you can always sell everything when you are done. If you list this stuff on Audiogon or Ebay, you'll get most of your money back, and it will sell right away. So, there's not much downside.
Split between the 2. The Tascam has no built-in drum kits,limited to 32GSDCards, but has rca+punch pedal access.
Sometimes evolution don't mean better and pratical. I think portable recording consoles took the wrong path circa 2006-2010. Having purchased reel to reel, cassette portastudios to CD recorders to hardrive consoles. I was very disappointed with the Zoom "R" series. Slow unit, getting "Stop Recorder" when you want to change a parameter, no playable pads to record drum sounds, only an unpractical beat programmer along with a tiny screen display. The "R" series was a downgrade. This new Zoom R20 is interesting for sure with its portability and touch screen, and i would need to experience the internal drums and editing functions before drawing any conclusions.
Along with the "L" series and "R",,, to me, the best of all recording consoles was the solid metal chassis made in japan
Zoom MRS1608.
8 track at once recording with available switchable phantom power with also a total of 16 tracks along with the 8 inputs in the rear ,there was also an easy access panel in the front with inputs for phones and 1/4" hi-z instruments,, a USB sound card to export, very large screen display, parameters adjustable while recording or playing with no "Stop recorder" or hourglass waiting, the best drum machine ever with 12 sensative drum pads that you could play and record "Live" and even play cymbals and fills with the pads while the drum machine was playing and the unit recording everything at once. The pads could even be used to execute samples, USB out, RCA outs, RCA ins,Optical out, 1/4" out and to top it off it could burn CDs. The only upgrade Zoom should have done, would've been to upgrade the 16bits to 24bits. Not downgrade everything to a small screen not playable drum machine slow loading SDCard data extracting with an annoying hourglass and having to stop everything to make a parameter adjustment.
A New MRS series at 24bits with 24 tracks , a DAW-like touch screen and a complete built-in drum machine with playable pads is what musicians still need.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and perspective. It is much appreciated. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic Please forgive me, i forgot to mention about your nice detailed reviews! Lol
Good job! 👍👍👍
I agree but instead of the Zoom MRS1608, I'm looking at the one that came right after that, the Zoom HD16, which seemed to keep all the MRS1608 features but added USB 2 and some other things, but like you said that was it - starting with the R series no more midi sync, great drum machine, sampling etc.
Superb
I'm wondering why Tascam hasn't built a multitrack recorder like the Zoom R24. Tascam DP24 seems too bulky.
I've used the R24 for around 7 years. The multi-faceted menu-accessed EQ and effects drive me insane. By the time you get the sound figured out you've lost your inspiration. The size is nice but I'm watching this video because I'm really interested in going back to a Tascam product. The last Tascam product I owned, nearly 14 years ago, was the DP 8CF, or something like that. It used a compact flash card as media. At the time I was not using appropriate studio monitors, creating a horrible EQ balance when I played my material on a home stereo or car stereo. As a result I assumed that the problem was the Tascam. I sold it and bought an Akai 16trk which was excellent. I made some of the best recordings of my life with that machine. Eventually it got old and beat up and I had to sell it and I bought the Zoom R24. At times I produce some impressive results without having to go menu diving so much to get the right sound and balance, but I think it's just dumb luck. By tomorrow I will probably have a DP24CD or -32CD on the way. I'm not going to sell the R24 though. I've always found the internal microphones to be quite adequate. I'm going to use it for live recording and copy the tracks to the Tascam when I get it. Both of them have their uses. Some of the effects on the zoom or excellent, but just not fun to work with.i like the approach of having everything spread out before me much bette, at least when playing. For mastering I don't mind a menu or PC based approach and might actually prefer it then.
hi cuality content
Can Zoom R20 be powered via AA or AAA batteries? If not, then why call it portable?
For many people, "Mobile" or "Portable" means a smaller size that you can easily transport from one place to another. Not necessarily that a unit can run on batteries or not. Especially these days when there are various types of alternative power sources available at so many locations. Thanks for watching. 👍🏿
This unit does not usb bus power... 😐
Where are midi?
No mixdown to a master track on the R20?
My question as well
Just looked at the R20 manual and it says you can mixdown to a stereo wav. I think what he means is, is that the Tascam has mastering effects in addition to this.
@@obidenim very cool. Thanks for the info.
@@obidenim the R20 doesn't have master effects? I have been reading a bit on this device (also have the R16), noticed the R20 lacks a bunch of features.
At 4:45 or so you say "this easily lets you track an entire band". I have to disagree. 8 mic channels is not enough to get a good capture of a band of any size if you are going to mix down later. You need at least 4 mics on the drums if you are going to have any flexibility at the mixdown stage. Kick, snare, plus at least a couple of overhead or ambient mics. (That's a minimum, more would be very desirable). With 8 mic channels you're then left with only 4 to record everything else: how are you going to fit everything in? Maybe if you have just one guitar, bass, keyboard and vocalist you could just squeeze it in. But if you have more than one guitar or vocal, or want stereo on the keyboards, you're SOL.
For some reason affordable portable recorders seem to have been stuck at 8 input channels for years... I had a Korg D888 almost 10 years ago and things don't seem to have advanced much since then!
At 4:45, I was not referring to recording a larger live band, the intent was multi-tracking in the studio (maybe unclear there). I would recommend an expanded setup to address live band recording. It's good to remember that the inputs are expandable, so you're not limited. There different solutions available (with submixing) to address that. Thanks for watching and sharing. It's very appreciated. 👍🏿
@@PowercoatMusic True, 8 channels is fine for recording the rhythm section if you are going to build up a song using overdubs later. Bass and a guide guitar track leaves 6 for drums, which should give you plenty of options at the mixdown stage. Heck, Glyn Johns often used only 4 mics on drums! I've used the old D888 that way for a lot of stuff, back when pre-covid days let us work closely with other musicians.. :-(
I'm just a bit surprised that there aren't quite a few affordable machines available today with 16 simultaneous mic record channels... after all, the digital electronics has gotten a lot cheaper over the years. Maybe I've overlooked some; over the last couple of years I've been hunkered down in the studio working with friends over the internet rather than a full band situation....
R20 dosent have punch in and punch out
The R20 has so many flaws. As a home studio platform, Pass it up.
my 1990s multitrack did 24/96 these bastardi wont give us anything more than 48khz. bastards. WTF!!! 30 years behind guys 30 freakin years behind
Zoom R24 does 24/96. So that the R20 does not is just annoying :)
Maybe they should join forces and become
Tasoom...or Zoocam.!!
Needed...10" touch screens.!!
Needed.. 32 track capability
Needed ... At least 2 hi z inputs
Needed... 5 gig of live drum samples.!!
Needed... The best highest quality Mastering abilities with out the need for accomputer.!! Yes...A phucking true stand alone recording studio.!! This pick and choose method of creating new hardware without input from those who know what they want and need " the purchaser".!!
Is the downfall of all recording units.!
Without at least 48khz… what’s the point..?
I remember how rad the AW4416 was when it came out.. It’s still usable due to it being 24/48k and it sounds Terrific.. (plus the effects are astounding)..With the Waves card it’s still a great sounding, valuable and very competent tool… I know..Different video .. But still 48k is important, There is a noticeable difference..
O.t.
Unreal.. Used to cost an inheritance to get your band a decent demo… Now a 15 year old with a pc can do it..(better)..
I will say that ever since this recording revolution…Music in general, has suffered… massively.. Everything kinda sucks(really) It sounds the same, feels the same and is cringe.. Not sure how it’s related but home studios probably play a factor.
“No Artists” worth taking notice of in decades, Nothing worth anything music wise has come out after 2000.. Perhaps “the Darkness” and a few ones managed to do something cool but for the most part.. Good Music is dead.. ( 60-70-80’s we’re soo RAD.. Even the 90’s were Luke warm at best, even with nirvana, cult and the left over rock from the earlier decades ..All grunge sounded the same anyway..).. Yeah, Music is dead, Unless your a rainbow touting, woke, indoctrinated leftist stooge…For Now..
Once we fix America from the election rigging Leftist (Nazis)and rid Europe of the Brussels/U.N./ liberals(Nazis) again..Perhaps good music will come back?
Are you sure they are all Nazi's?