@@matney12 if you have not followed us from the beginning, you may not understand why we selected Montenegro. we do love our little country Montenegro and we have friends here as well. We bought our first home in Montenegro in 2016 while we were still working in America. At that time you could have residency and travel six months out of the year with homeownership, those rules changed however in 2019 before we retired in 2020. We were never even looking at Albania at that time, our first visit to Albania was in 2018 to the city of Duress which we do not recommend for Expats, it definitely negatively impacted our desire to explore the country further. However, we heard from many people about how much they liked Sarande and and Tirana so we decided to give the country another look. we did very much enjoy our stay and Sarande, we cannot speak with knowledge about Tirana from what we understand, there are some good places and not so good places in the city. We also saw some prom when we were passing through Vlore. Having had eight years of experience with Montenegro we feel very comfortable at home with the country. Everyone however, should make their own decisions and check out locations that are going to be best suited for them.
Thank you for this. This is one of your most useful videos (that I’ve seen) for me! I hadn’t realised Albania allows up to a year - I’ll have a look into that…
Just in case you're not from the USA: the 1-year allowance is only for people with a United States passport, under special agreement between these countries. Albania's normal tourist visa for almost everyone else is 90 days.
This was really useful, thank you. I was wondering why you choose Montenegro. Does it make things easier in some ways, like car registration that you mentioned? Or was it the climate? Language, medical etc? I like the idea of shuffling around Europe but worry about the winters. I'm not a fan of the cold and it looks both cold and wet in that region over the winter months. Is winter a bit milder in Albania given that its a little further south? With our European motorhoming dreams shattered by Brexit, I'm starting to think about something like this as an alternative without setting up a residency somewhere. So which of your videos do you recommend I start with please? And thanks again for all the info. p.s. I am British but non-resident for 20 years so can only spend about 40 days a year back in the UK.
@@oliverdietz2495 here’s the first video we did to buy and register our vehicle and the process How Americans Can Buy and Register a Car in Europe (Expats, Nomads, and Retired in Europe) th-cam.com/video/zpDRM9pSGLE/w-d-xo.html
Nice coverage of the Schengen shuffle. I would really be interested in a video or a couple on driving throughout Europe. Since you have driven through so many EU countries it would be great to hear about interesting experiences with different types of roads, roundabouts, tolls, signage, parking etc.. between various countries for good or bad. Road conditions and any maintenance and accidents or close calls or parking damage. Very few slow travelers drive.
@@zeitgeist888 we do speak about our car situations in videos as they are relevant. Here’s our car purchase and registration video How Americans Can Buy and Register a Car in Europe (Expats, Nomads, and Retired in Europe) th-cam.com/video/zpDRM9pSGLE/w-d-xo.html
Right! I was expecting a “loophole“ or something. Absolutely nothing new here! Sad to see they have gone the clickbait way to get views. I just unsubscribed.
They left some words out of the title: Avoid the [consequences of breaking the] 90/180 day rule! But then it wouldn’t have caused me to click and trigger the ads that earn them money.
You may already be aware of this, but technically you can stay within the Schengen area for 180 days or more. Here's how. Poland and Denmark, both of them Schengen members, each have their own 90 day visitor clock in addition to the 90 day one for Schengen. If you enter either of these countries as your 90 days in Schengen is about to expire, you get an additional 90 days. So, if you wanted, you could enter either of these countries on your 90th day in Schengen and get an additional 90 days! Probably, if you were scrupulous about your timing you could shuffle between the three countries indefinitely! Anyway, glad to find your channel!
We do understand the Poland bilateral agreement, but firstly, you have to fly in and out, which is not possible if you are traveling by car. Secondly, we have spoken to attorneys in a few countries, and sometimes even though these rules exist they are very difficult. Thirdly, we don’t feel we should put this information out because it is subject to scrutiny from immigration. Quick Google of a Danish agreement for travel extending time over Schengen did not produce a response similar to Poland’s. Here is a link with a story from a person doing the Polish bilateral to add perspective. www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad/comments/1dfpzvy/denmark_and_poland_bilateral_agreement_with_usa/
@@WarrenJulieTravel Thanks for the reply! I've actually done it in both countries. You must enter Denmark FROM another Schengen country, in order to trigger the Danish visitor clock. (On entry they actually put a Danish visa stamp in your passport.) You can enter Poland overland from a Schengen country, but then you must get an exit stamp when leaving Poland, which you can only do at an airport that has an international border and not all of them do!
In the Schengen Zone there is one exception for US citizens (and only US citizens): Poland. US citizens are allowed a 90 day stay in Poland and they can return for another 90 days (you need to go outside the Schengen Zone to get another 90 days). This is from a treaty between Poland and the US.
Yes, we are completely aware of the bilateral agreement. We have chosen not to speak about it because there are some hurdles and we don’t want to misguide anyone.
Thanks for the update. Your videos keep mentioning that you can stay in Albania for 1 year, but when I look it applies only to Americans. On review I have found you have a tendency to be " Amercentric" in your comments. Is it possible to be a little more exact in your future comments for those of us that are from Australia, New Zealand, Canada or other expat countries? I believe it would make your videos more inclusive. Thanks again for keeping the expats informed on travel issues! Cheers S
Since you travel with dogs, can you do a specific video on the requirements between Schengen and non-Schengen countries for travel with pets? We are from the US and have an American dog with a European passport that she acquired in Italy. We were considering going to Albania as our "Schengen Shuffle" but the Italian vet told us that we may not be able to return with our dog to Italy because rabies tests from Albania are not reciprocal with Italy. The test would have to be sent to a lab in the US and the turnaround time could be 3-6 months. Have you experienced anything like this? If so, are there other non-Schengen countries that are better options for travel with pets? Thanks for your videos! They are very informative!
This will not be a short answer, but I will do my best to do it here in the comments section. Unfortunately, your Italian Veterinarian is correct however I believe there is a way around this . You don’t mention if you were currently in the United States or if you are in Italy, however regardless, it should be the same process . You will need to have your dog rabies titer tested. After that test is completed, it is not valid until it is 90 days old. You can get the test in the United States or in Italy, I do believe Italy will be less expensive, but I don’t know that for sure . Once you have this titer test and the results have come back within the range, this test is good for the lifetime of your pet unless you let the rabies vaccination expire. The reason that the vet is telling you that you may not be able to re-enter Italy after going to Albania is that there are many European countries that are on the high rabies list therefore, the EU requires a rabies titer test for antibodies. We do intend to do a new video on pet travel soon, but this should help to inform you until that video is released .
Hey, I’m currently in Cyprus and heading back to the uk after my 90 days are up, for Christmas. Does this mean pretty much straight away I can head to Portugal straight away for 90 days, then back to Cyprus again after that? Thank you! Great vid
If montenegro goes into EU 2028 say,would this allow their resudents/ citizens to move to any other EU country like is now within the 27 or so EU countries?
I'm not in your shoes as a Brit, but would have thought a much safer and less nerve wracking option is to have a tri-factor setting = to spend 60 days in each on average, then start a new 180-day cycle. What do you think? You could extend your EU stays to around 88 days and just over 3 months in the other two; that probably adds some years to life :)
You have to realize we’re not talking about EU. We are talking about Schengen, so there are 29 countries that have to share the same 90 days out of every 180 days. if you want to do a trifecta with one Schengen country and two non Schengen countries your plan could work. However, the typical problem is trying to live in Europe despite the Schengen time restrictions.
@@WarrenJulieTravel I do, sorry for my slippage! :) As I understand it, the only way in Schengen other than 90/180 days is to become a resident/citizen of one of Schengen countries. I just watched your French residency with the Italian consultant - it's brilliant because $30-40k would buy you a liveable property in some places in France (not in Paris, Saint-Tropez etc of course) then you're almost there with his magic! Great news, I'm very happy for you
@@davidmatthews3093 Well, first of all, it depends. It doesn't in some countries and does in others - both residency and citizenship. Secondly Warren and Julie would like to stay in the Schengen Area longer than '90 days in every 180 days'. If you've watched their French residency video, you know it's not difficult for them to get French residency but having a permanent address in France is pivotal to that and then they'd be outside the '90 in 180' ruling. It's my conjecture that buying a cheap property there is more cost effective than renting one.
I would say, instead of looking to circumnavigate the rules, just go spend time in nearby non-schengen countries. Countries like Albania, Macedonia, and Serbia are amazing locations to travel. And bonus, they're WAY better on the costs, especially if you slow travel and budget travel them like my wife and I did from May-August this year.
Not sure if you were directing the comment to us or someone else who commented. Yep, that’s what we’ve done for four years, what we teach in the video.
Any ideas for those who don't want to move around as much...is it possible to rent an apartment in a low-cost country long-term and stay 89 days twice a year, and then do the same outside the Schengen zone? I'm looking for a solution in-between schlepping from one short-term rental to another or buying property. Splitting time between 2-3 countries while still feeling like I have a home base (and not having to get residency or become a tax resident) is my goal.
There are a lot of possibilities to do this, many do Croatia and Montenegro, some Italy to Albania, Greece & Albania, Hungary & Serbia, and these are simple border and ferry combinations. You could easily select any single Schengen and pair it with a non Schengen and drive or fly to and from.
@@WarrenJulieTravel yes since Albania lets you stay a year, it's the most logical choice to stay there if you want to focus on Italy or Greece. Which is what looks like a great option to me.
In my opinion, Romania has one of the easiest ones when you take into account taxes, and other things. th-cam.com/video/O39BJV2q5Kc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pD_kc_Z-tCnjvWmp
Hi guys. Very good your Chanell. Could you share if it is possible to be in the Schengen for example for 60 days, come back after 2 months and stay one month longer then get out and stay 1 month outside of the Schengen and then return to Schengen? Would it get in the relevant of 90/180 days? I met my boyfriend in the end ig it and I would like to get back to Greece and stay with him for a while.
@@lucineiaaraujo6793 we really can’t talk to you in terms of months to be exact, we really need to be talking exact numbers of days. So potentially yes, and no to your question without actually knowing the dates. You just have to remember you can only be in the zone 90 days every 180, and the entry and exit day may be counted as one day for each of the countries.
Could you spend 1 day in Schengen, then non-Schengen for 91 days. Then Schengen for 89 days, leave for a day or so while the original 180 days sunsets and then come back to Schengen starting a new 180 days set, staying for another 90 days, essentially getting close to 180 in a row
@@Mikesadventures-m2q yes 👍however in the near future they plan to implement EES which will be fingerprints and biometric photos at these borders to enter and exit.
No, you can probably go to Poland under the bilateral agreement but returning to Italy legally before 90 days is a No. Even returning after Poland, going to Italy without an exit and entry stamp in and out of Schengen can lead to problems if you are ever stopped and checked.
Hi guys. I want to leave US and check out multiple locations/countries to see where I think I want to land. In doing this, I will give up my apartment in the U.S because I cannot afford to keep my apartment. I need more than 90 days to do my due diligence. Is there any way I can extend my time to 6 months? I am not particularly interested in checking out non-schengen countries, except Montenegro. Can a country give you and extension?
Montenegro would allow you the additional time you’re hoping for in the continent as it is non-Schengen; however, that will not give you more time in the Schengen. It will simply make it easier for you to remain in Europe for easier flights. You will still have only 90 days total in the Schengen. After the 90 you will have to go to a non Schengen country for 90 before returning to the Schengen territory. If you want to stay longer you will have to consider residency programs. www.warrenjulietravel.com/essentialtravelresources/europeanresidencyoptions
@@JayandSarah we went into Kosovo through Albania, North Macedonia and Montenegro, without any issues. It’s mostly the Serbia border that is the only concern. Just best to avoid that border direction altogether.
@tuairisc_ou agree. Sadly, I was making the distinction between the free and fair republic and the occupied north of island of Ireland. Hopefully, soon, Ireland will be reunited.
Keep in mind Andorra is not a Schengen country. With evidence that you have been in Andorra with accommodation in Andorra, you can count that in your Schengen shuffle adventure. Gibraltar too.
We’ve looked into this option, I couldn’t get guidance from the Andorra government, in fact they wrote me to discourage it. This said maybe it’s possible, however there is a lot of record keeping and responsibility and convincing of the border guards to believe you. We have yet to meet anyone that has successfully managed doing the Schengen shuffle in this manner, keeping in mind the entry and exit count as the same day for both countries. If anyone has actually managed to do it we extend an interview invitation.
@@WarrenJulieTravel I've not done it myself, but may well do it when my French residency expires. I know Andorra well and the border situation (I live in France. close to Andorra) The Andorra government wouldn't want to encourage this kind of thing, so not surprised you got no clear answer. But Andorra is NOT a Schengen country, so the law is 100% on the side of anyone spending 3 months in Andorra. The border guards stamp no one in or out. There is no convincing of French/Spanish/Andorran border guards of anything. It's an open border for immigration. All the checks at the border are for customs, to make sure anything bought in Andorra is for personal use. There might be a problem when exiting Schengen at a distant border, say, Finland, where they see no Schengen exit or entry stamp, and don't know where Andorra is, but that would be resolved when they look up Andorra and then see your 3 months airbnb booking for Andorra, and ATM dated bank slips/receipts as extra evidence of stay in Andorra. The same would apply for Gibraltar except, at the moment, passports are stamped on entering Schengen from Gibraltar. but a Gibraltar/Morocco combo would be an attractive 3 month option. I'll let you know how it goes if I do this (the Andorra thing)!
@@duncansmith7562 please let us know, correct I am not concerned about the Andorra to Spain or France migration from one country to another. It is when you actually try to leave the Schengen zone I expect you’ll have a good chance at encountering problems.
@@WarrenJulieTravel If you google "Andorra Schengen Visa explained" you will see some good info on this. Foreigners working and resident in Andorra are in the same situation as foreigners staying in Andorra doing the Schengen shuffle, in that coming and going from Andorra to Spain or France is never a problem, but flying out of Schengen from an airport other than Barcelona or Toulouse finds immigration officers confused about how long such a person might have been in Schengen. It's as you said, documentation showing that Andorra is NOT a Schengen country, and evidence of having spent the time in Andorra you claim you have spent, should be enough. I'm guessing anyone who demands a French or Spanish entry/exit stamp could get one, but it's hard to take care of all that when you are stuck in a line of traffic that is just being waved through and no officer wants to say a word to you, let alone stamp anything! I'm sure Andorra is a viable option, AND gives you access during your 90 day stay to great places in France and Spain while you are technically out of Schengen! I'll let you know how this works when and if I try it!
We have a friend who does it, but she literally has to step out of the car, locate a border officer and request a stamp. We considered adding Andorra to the list, but we don’t want to put information out to the masses that can be difficult or questionable.
"rewarded with borderless travel" if only that were true! Germany recently re-instated border controls with all its neighbors, all countries did so through Covid, the France side of the border with Spain does checks within France, at the first autoroute toll booth, and so it goes on.
We actually did a video and spoke about the bilateral agreement, go look at our Poland Residency video… You’re not telling us anything we don’t know. We just don’t know of anybody who successfully uses that. So do so at your own risk if you go through the Hungary border by land outside of Schengen expect to be penalized. Your land options to leave Poland are Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia, not too appealing right now.
@@michael2685 you misunderstand, when you leave the Schengen and the countries you’re naming are Schengen their border guards are not going to associate your stay with Poland’s bilateral agreement, they see you as a Schengen over stay. You must depart Schengen via Poland or expect problems. You also should stay in Poland beyond your 90 day entry, if you have a traffic stop in Germany they will see you as an overstay if beyond 90 days. The bilateral does not grant you a Schengen visa just time in Poland.
@@WarrenJulieTravel -- A friend has done this for over FIVE years already,,,, and you? Yes, I understand the "spirit" of the rule, however there are not border checks within the Schengen area. Train out of the country somewhere, have lunch, keep your receipts, go home to Poland.
@@michael2685 please give your friend my email address so we can interview him please. We would love to talk to him. WarrenJulieTravel@gmail.com we had one of Viewer that used to do Ukraine, but he never came through with contacting for an interview. If your desire is to just be in Poland full-time and going to Ukraine, it’s cool, the war has changed the enthusiasm for running across the border. Here is the residency video we did where our expert explains the bilateral relationship. Expert Tips for Poland Residency Programs th-cam.com/video/FYiuJQuJ73w/w-d-xo.html
But you dont need to stay out of the Schengen Zone for 90 days, you just have to avoid spending more than 90 days in the previous 180 days. You can return 89 days later or 49 or 29 days later if you wanted to.
This is correct, however, when you do strange combinations, it becomes very difficult to track. Simplicity is best to avoid those accidental overstays, so we don’t provide doing it as a recommendation, however, if you’re tracking yourself efficiently do whaat you’re comfortable with. Since we drive, it often requires a long distance to get out of Schengen depending on where we are so we try to keep to a clean 90 day or less venture.
No, bureaucrats in Poland made it difficult. I did a final video on the residency process and have the citizenship packet ready but I have not submitted. The tax laws and bureaucracy has tempered my enthusiasm.
@@WarrenJulieTravel Oh nooooo! I'm sorry. I hope it works out, maybe a pushy residency consultant can do the legwork and keep them on their toes while you're spending quality time in Serbia etc
@@WarrenJulieTravel Haha, yeah the taxes throughout Europe REALLY make you step back and look at the big picture and build a plan. Having said that I HAD a plan, but I saw one of your videos recently (probably because I made myself a low tax France plan) and that led me to watching this video. My initial plan was/is just put in the time somewhere for a passport and have total free movement, with no time constraints. I have to say, because of THIS video, I'm really, really considering altering what I intended to do. And it might even be something you'd consider. Cyprus has a stay for 60 days for TAX residency, you just need to accumulate those days throughout the year. Very low rate, and you can get for SEVENTEEN years! So, if a person really is looking to do what you're doing (and I plan to do). It's a good tax base. And actually by NOT being Schengen, it's a great way to get your 60 tax days in while recharging your Schengen power. Anyway, you've literally done what I plan to do these last 3-4 years (minus all that driving!) and I thank you for triggering an alternative plan for myself. I'm hoping I can dump these 2 US properties in the next 8 weeks if the sales go through (no more houses, that's it for me) and should be able to hit all the Christmas markets this year.
Not sure why you make a big deal about 89 days vs 90. So what if you are short one day. You are not blocked from entering if you have less than 90 days outside. They just look at how many days you were inside out of the last 180 days (as of that moment), and if it's less than 90, they let you in.
@@DavidFletcher566 are you a citizen of a Schengen country? You are oversimplifying it. Our goal is to keep people from going over 90 in 180 and explaining how to track those days. Over stays can lead to fines and a ban. You don’t have to stay out for 90 days if you stayed in less than 90, but the person better track effectively. If doing the Schengen Shuffle 90/91 is the easiest solution.
@@WarrenJulieTravel No, I'm a US citizen slow traveling like you guys. Was just in Saranda and Corfu recently, and now Vlore. Going to Montenegro next. Yes, the 90 out of 180 calculation is annoying, but can be done. It's hard for people to wrap their head around the concept, as for example, the idea that days you were in are dropping off your count as they go past 180 days in the past (from today). Mind bender :)
From an American perspective, we are avoiding having to leave Europe. This is educating others on how to remain in Europe and avoid having to leave Europe, as unfortunately many believe they must.
Sorry, I’m confused by this Schengen/EU thing. Through my grandfather, I am eligible for Irish citizenship. I was hoping to get an Irish passport that would then allow me visa free access to the EU. I’m no longer sure if this is possible due to the difference between EU and Schengen
Ireland can't join Schengen due to t he ongoing Brutish occupation of part of their land. If they were to join Schengen, they would have to set up a land border on their own island between the republic and the Brutish Occupied Territories of Ireland
I really don't like Denmark! Norway is the most beautiful place in Scandinavia. Everything in Denmark is pretty horrible. The food (unless you like stinky fishy stuff) the people are not the friendliest and smell lof fish. The little mermaid in Copenhagen is in a horrible industrial area and I was so shocked by that 😢 You can see immediately what an ugly industrial area it is where the little mermaid is, you don't need to stay there for years to see what a horrible place it is. Not everyone has the same opinions as other people. So don't judge people because they have a different opinion to yourselves.
Terrible and frankly stupid advice. If you spend more than half a calendar year in the EU you should be paying taxes here and this video is kinda the same thing as filming yourself speeding on the road... You might not get caught right away but you documented an infraction and might have to pay for it later... In case of tax evasion it would be paying the due taxes + penalties + a ban from entering the EU for a few years....
What in the world are you talking about? Do you have any idea about The Schengen??? There is no tax evasion here ! Everything we are doing is completely 100% legal and we are telling people how to remain on the continent for a year or more if they choose to do so. The EU and Schengen are two different things You are grossly misinformed or uninformed . I chose to reply to this rather than remove it .
New here, i heard a slip of you have dogs. I have service dog and cats how do you do this stuff. Find a place to stay with animals travel with pets ETC. Me and my wife want to do this stuff are budget is 7k a month.
Brilliant video! Well done Warren and Julie 👏
Thank you 😊
We appreciate you watching:)
Hi, Did you ever consider Albania ? If so I would love to hear your reasons for choosing Montenegro. Looking to do the same things to avoid taxes.
@@matney12 if you have not followed us from the beginning, you may not understand why we selected Montenegro. we do love our little country Montenegro and we have friends here as well. We bought our first home in Montenegro in 2016 while we were still working in America. At that time you could have residency and travel six months out of the year with homeownership, those rules changed however in 2019 before we retired in 2020. We were never even looking at Albania at that time, our first visit to Albania was in 2018 to the city of Duress which we do not recommend for Expats, it definitely negatively impacted our desire to explore the country further. However, we heard from many people about how much they liked Sarande and and Tirana so we decided to give the country another look. we did very much enjoy our stay and Sarande, we cannot speak with knowledge about Tirana from what we understand, there are some good places and not so good places in the city. We also saw some prom when we were passing through Vlore.
Having had eight years of experience with Montenegro we feel very comfortable at home with the country. Everyone however, should make their own decisions and check out locations that are going to be best suited for them.
Thank you for this. This is one of your most useful videos (that I’ve seen) for me! I hadn’t realised Albania allows up to a year - I’ll have a look into that…
Just in case you're not from the USA: the 1-year allowance is only for people with a United States passport, under special agreement between these countries. Albania's normal tourist visa for almost everyone else is 90 days.
@@thurianknight that’s good to know - thank you - as I’m not American!
This was really useful, thank you. I was wondering why you choose Montenegro. Does it make things easier in some ways, like car registration that you mentioned? Or was it the climate? Language, medical etc? I like the idea of shuffling around Europe but worry about the winters. I'm not a fan of the cold and it looks both cold and wet in that region over the winter months. Is winter a bit milder in Albania given that its a little further south? With our European motorhoming dreams shattered by Brexit, I'm starting to think about something like this as an alternative without setting up a residency somewhere. So which of your videos do you recommend I start with please? And thanks again for all the info. p.s. I am British but non-resident for 20 years so can only spend about 40 days a year back in the UK.
You taught me the Schengen shuffle. I hope we meet some time. Sorry, can't find your car in Bulgaria video. Thanks.
@@oliverdietz2495 here’s the first video we did to buy and register our vehicle and the process
How Americans Can Buy and Register a Car in Europe (Expats, Nomads, and Retired in Europe)
th-cam.com/video/zpDRM9pSGLE/w-d-xo.html
Nice coverage of the Schengen shuffle. I would really be interested in a video or a couple on driving throughout Europe. Since you have driven through so many EU countries it would be great to hear about interesting experiences with different types of roads, roundabouts, tolls, signage, parking etc.. between various countries for good or bad. Road conditions and any maintenance and accidents or close calls or parking damage. Very few slow travelers drive.
@@zeitgeist888 we do speak about our car situations in videos as they are relevant.
Here’s our car purchase and registration video How Americans Can Buy and Register a Car in Europe (Expats, Nomads, and Retired in Europe)
th-cam.com/video/zpDRM9pSGLE/w-d-xo.html
Good stuff, useful info/tools, thanks! 🙌
@@BasicAmericanDadAbroad thanks 😊
But your not "avoiding" the 90/180 day restriction. You are leaving to a non-Shengen country for 90 days then going back in to a Shengen country.
Right! I was expecting a “loophole“ or something. Absolutely nothing new here! Sad to see they have gone the clickbait way to get views. I just unsubscribed.
@@Laura-y8n6dwell of course there is no loophole, what did you expect?
They left some words out of the title:
Avoid the [consequences of breaking the] 90/180 day rule!
But then it wouldn’t have caused me to click and trigger the ads that earn them money.
You may already be aware of this, but technically you can stay within the Schengen area for 180 days or more. Here's how. Poland and Denmark, both of them Schengen members, each have their own 90 day visitor clock in addition to the 90 day one for Schengen. If you enter either of these countries as your 90 days in Schengen is about to expire, you get an additional 90 days. So, if you wanted, you could enter either of these countries on your 90th day in Schengen and get an additional 90 days! Probably, if you were scrupulous about your timing you could shuffle between the three countries indefinitely! Anyway, glad to find your channel!
We do understand the Poland bilateral agreement, but firstly, you have to fly in and out, which is not possible if you are traveling by car. Secondly, we have spoken to attorneys in a few countries, and sometimes even though these rules exist they are very difficult. Thirdly, we don’t feel we should put this information out because it is subject to scrutiny from immigration. Quick Google of a Danish agreement for travel extending time over Schengen did not produce a response similar to Poland’s.
Here is a link with a story from a person doing the Polish bilateral to add perspective.
www.reddit.com/r/digitalnomad/comments/1dfpzvy/denmark_and_poland_bilateral_agreement_with_usa/
@@WarrenJulieTravel Thanks for the reply! I've actually done it in both countries. You must enter Denmark FROM another Schengen country, in order to trigger the Danish visitor clock. (On entry they actually put a Danish visa stamp in your passport.) You can enter Poland overland from a Schengen country, but then you must get an exit stamp when leaving Poland, which you can only do at an airport that has an international border and not all of them do!
Really interesting - many thanks to you both!!
Great Video Warren & Julie!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching:)
In the Schengen Zone there is one exception for US citizens (and only US citizens): Poland. US citizens are allowed a 90 day stay in Poland and they can return for another 90 days (you need to go outside the Schengen Zone to get another 90 days). This is from a treaty between Poland and the US.
Yes, we are completely aware of the bilateral agreement.
We have chosen not to speak about it because there are some hurdles and we don’t want to misguide anyone.
@@WarrenJulieTravel And one more (non-Schengen) country: Albania. Albania gives US Citizens (and only US citizens) a 365-day visa.
Good update....Thanks
Thanks for watching, we appreciate it.
where do you register your car or is it better to lease a car and we have two dogs as well.
www.warrenjulietravel.com/noneucitizenvehicleregistration
thnx you 2 :) - The Artists liked this one
Thanks guys! ❤
Romania and Bulgaria just joined lol…funny stuff…
? They Joined Schengen in March 2024…
Thanks for the update. Your videos keep mentioning that you can stay in Albania for 1 year, but when I look it applies only to Americans. On review I have found you have a tendency to be " Amercentric" in your comments. Is it possible to be a little more exact in your future comments for those of us that are from Australia, New Zealand, Canada or other expat countries? I believe it would make your videos more inclusive. Thanks again for keeping the expats informed on travel issues!
Cheers S
Yes, I need to do a better job when referring to Albania in videos like these. The policy is American specific.
Excellent, thanks
Thanks for watching:)
Since you travel with dogs, can you do a specific video on the requirements between Schengen and non-Schengen countries for travel with pets? We are from the US and have an American dog with a European passport that she acquired in Italy. We were considering going to Albania as our "Schengen Shuffle" but the Italian vet told us that we may not be able to return with our dog to Italy because rabies tests from Albania are not reciprocal with Italy. The test would have to be sent to a lab in the US and the turnaround time could be 3-6 months. Have you experienced anything like this? If so, are there other non-Schengen countries that are better options for travel with pets? Thanks for your videos! They are very informative!
This will not be a short answer, but I will do my best to do it here in the comments section.
Unfortunately, your Italian Veterinarian is correct however I believe there is a way around this .
You don’t mention if you were currently in the United States or if you are in Italy, however regardless, it should be the same process .
You will need to have your dog rabies titer tested.
After that test is completed, it is not valid until it is 90 days old.
You can get the test in the United States or in Italy, I do believe Italy will be less expensive, but I don’t know that for sure .
Once you have this titer test and the results have come back within the range, this test is good for the lifetime of your pet unless you let the rabies vaccination expire.
The reason that the vet is telling you that you may not be able to re-enter Italy after going to Albania is that there are many European countries that are on the high rabies list therefore, the EU requires a rabies titer test for antibodies.
We do intend to do a new video on pet travel soon, but this should help to inform you until that video is released .
Please feel free to email me at warrenjulietravel@gmail.com
Hey, I’m currently in Cyprus and heading back to the uk after my 90 days are up, for Christmas. Does this mean pretty much straight away I can head to Portugal straight away for 90 days, then back to Cyprus again after that? Thank you! Great vid
As long as Cyprus stays a non-Schengen country, yes. They are poised to join the Schengen, but it is not guaranteed.
If montenegro goes into EU 2028 say,would this allow their resudents/ citizens to move to any other EU country like is now within the 27 or so EU countries?
You didn't mention Georgia. It's a beautiful country and be well worth a visit.
@@Paul-cg1bn we did mention it.
I'm not in your shoes as a Brit, but would have thought a much safer and less nerve wracking option is to have a tri-factor setting = to spend 60 days in each on average, then start a new 180-day cycle. What do you think?
You could extend your EU stays to around 88 days and just over 3 months in the other two; that probably adds some years to life :)
You have to realize we’re not talking about EU. We are talking about Schengen, so there are 29 countries that have to share the same 90 days out of every 180 days. if you want to do a trifecta with one Schengen country and two non Schengen countries your plan could work. However, the typical problem is trying to live in Europe despite the Schengen time restrictions.
@@WarrenJulieTravel I do, sorry for my slippage! :) As I understand it, the only way in Schengen other than 90/180 days is to become a resident/citizen of one of Schengen countries.
I just watched your French residency with the Italian consultant - it's brilliant because $30-40k would buy you a liveable property in some places in France (not in Paris, Saint-Tropez etc of course) then you're almost there with his magic! Great news, I'm very happy for you
You're in worse shoes because you had all the rights, but some corrupt liars took them away from you...
@@soundslight7754Property ownership doesn’t give you any shortcut to residency.
@@davidmatthews3093 Well, first of all, it depends. It doesn't in some countries and does in others - both residency and citizenship. Secondly Warren and Julie would like to stay in the Schengen Area longer than '90 days in every 180 days'. If you've watched their French residency video, you know it's not difficult for them to get French residency but having a permanent address in France is pivotal to that and then they'd be outside the '90 in 180' ruling. It's my conjecture that buying a cheap property there is more cost effective than renting one.
Quick question, maybe I missed it on some of your other videos - just wondering how the polish citizenship was going?
I think it was denied
I would say, instead of looking to circumnavigate the rules, just go spend time in nearby non-schengen countries.
Countries like Albania, Macedonia, and Serbia are amazing locations to travel. And bonus, they're WAY better on the costs, especially if you slow travel and budget travel them like my wife and I did from May-August this year.
Not sure if you were directing the comment to us or someone else who commented. Yep, that’s what we’ve done for four years, what we teach in the video.
@@WarrenJulieTravel It was intended for someone else. We're happy to have others out there talking up all the good things about the Balkans.
Any ideas for those who don't want to move around as much...is it possible to rent an apartment in a low-cost country long-term and stay 89 days twice a year, and then do the same outside the Schengen zone? I'm looking for a solution in-between schlepping from one short-term rental to another or buying property. Splitting time between 2-3 countries while still feeling like I have a home base (and not having to get residency or become a tax resident) is my goal.
There are a lot of possibilities to do this, many do Croatia and Montenegro, some Italy to Albania, Greece & Albania, Hungary & Serbia, and these are simple border and ferry combinations. You could easily select any single Schengen and pair it with a non Schengen and drive or fly to and from.
@@WarrenJulieTravel yes since Albania lets you stay a year, it's the most logical choice to stay there if you want to focus on Italy or Greece. Which is what looks like a great option to me.
Hi, what is the best country in the Schengen area to your knowledge and experience to get another visa? (the easiest one that is)
In my opinion, Romania has one of the easiest ones when you take into account taxes, and other things.
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@@WarrenJulieTravel Very appreciated, thank you
Hi guys. Very good your Chanell. Could you share if it is possible to be in the Schengen for example for 60 days, come back after 2 months and stay one month longer then get out and stay 1 month outside of the Schengen and then return to Schengen? Would it get in the relevant of 90/180 days? I met my boyfriend in the end ig it and I would like to get back to Greece and stay with him for a while.
@@lucineiaaraujo6793 we really can’t talk to you in terms of months to be exact, we really need to be talking exact numbers of days. So potentially yes, and no to your question without actually knowing the dates. You just have to remember you can only be in the zone 90 days every 180, and the entry and exit day may be counted as one day for each of the countries.
my dad was born in England I wonder if I could get citizenship there.
Potentially:)
I believe you get 30 days visa free if you fly into Belarus
It's now land borders too until at least the end of the year
That’s correct
Could you spend 1 day in Schengen, then non-Schengen for 91 days. Then Schengen for 89 days, leave for a day or so while the original 180 days sunsets and then come back to Schengen starting a new 180 days set, staying for another 90 days, essentially getting close to 180 in a row
@@San_Dee no, it’s a rolling calendar.
Sorry if youve already explained. Why dont you just get EU residency?
We have chosen not to do an EU residency for several reasons, but one of the biggest reasons is taxation.
@@WarrenJulieTravel Tax avoidance is illegal as is working without a visa
Driving out of schengen is there a proper border crossing to stamp your passport or visa?
@@Mikesadventures-m2q yes 👍however in the near future they plan to implement EES which will be fingerprints and biometric photos at these borders to enter and exit.
I have to leave Italy November 3 after 90 days but want to return sooner than 90-is there any way to do this by flying to Poland?
No, you can probably go to Poland under the bilateral agreement but returning to Italy legally before 90 days is a No. Even returning after Poland, going to Italy without an exit and entry stamp in and out of Schengen can lead to problems if you are ever stopped and checked.
Hi guys. I want to leave US and check out multiple locations/countries to see where I think I want to land. In doing this, I will give up my apartment in the U.S because I cannot afford to keep my apartment. I need more than 90 days to do my due diligence. Is there any way I can extend my time to 6 months? I am not particularly interested in checking out non-schengen countries, except Montenegro. Can a country give you and extension?
Montenegro would allow you the additional time you’re hoping for in the continent as it is non-Schengen; however, that will not give you more time in the Schengen.
It will simply make it easier for you to remain in Europe for easier flights.
You will still have only 90 days total in the Schengen. After the 90 you will have to go to a non Schengen country for 90 before returning to the Schengen territory.
If you want to stay longer you will have to consider residency programs.
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I heard US citizens are not allowed to enter Serbia from Kosovo.
Yes, that’s a border you should avoid.
You want to enter Serbia from Montenegro or Skopje. And Kosovo from Albania.
@@JayandSarah we went into Kosovo through Albania, North Macedonia and Montenegro, without any issues. It’s mostly the Serbia border that is the only concern. Just best to avoid that border direction altogether.
@@WarrenJulieTravel exactly.
You forgot to mention the Republic of Ireland, which is a non schengen EU country
@nobreshit.9694 we mention it, we explained that it has 90 days whereas the UK has six months. Go to the 10:00 mark
The country name is Ireland.
@tuairisc_ou agree. Sadly, I was making the distinction between the free and fair republic and the occupied north of island of Ireland. Hopefully, soon, Ireland will be reunited.
@WarrenJulieTravel ok. Fair enough. Sadly, since the brexshit coup of 2016, the uk is now a non EU xenophobic nightmare we should avoid.
Keep in mind Andorra is not a Schengen country.
With evidence that you have been in Andorra with accommodation in Andorra, you can count that in your Schengen shuffle adventure. Gibraltar too.
We’ve looked into this option, I couldn’t get guidance from the Andorra government, in fact they wrote me to discourage it. This said maybe it’s possible, however there is a lot of record keeping and responsibility and convincing of the border guards to believe you. We have yet to meet anyone that has successfully managed doing the Schengen shuffle in this manner, keeping in mind the entry and exit count as the same day for both countries. If anyone has actually managed to do it we extend an interview invitation.
@@WarrenJulieTravel I've not done it myself, but may well do it when my French residency expires. I know Andorra well and the border situation (I live in France. close to Andorra)
The Andorra government wouldn't want to encourage this kind of thing, so not surprised you got no clear answer.
But Andorra is NOT a Schengen country, so the law is 100% on the side of anyone spending 3 months in Andorra.
The border guards stamp no one in or out. There is no convincing of French/Spanish/Andorran border guards of anything. It's an open border for immigration. All the checks at the border are for customs, to make sure anything bought in Andorra is for personal use.
There might be a problem when exiting Schengen at a distant border, say, Finland, where they see no Schengen exit or entry stamp, and don't know where Andorra is, but that would be resolved when they look up Andorra and then see your 3 months airbnb booking for Andorra, and ATM dated bank slips/receipts as extra evidence of stay in Andorra.
The same would apply for Gibraltar except, at the moment, passports are stamped on entering Schengen from Gibraltar. but a Gibraltar/Morocco combo would be an attractive 3 month option.
I'll let you know how it goes if I do this (the Andorra thing)!
@@duncansmith7562 please let us know, correct I am not concerned about the Andorra to Spain or France migration from one country to another. It is when you actually try to leave the Schengen zone I expect you’ll have a good chance at encountering problems.
@@WarrenJulieTravel If you google "Andorra Schengen Visa explained" you will see some good info on this.
Foreigners working and resident in Andorra are in the same situation as foreigners staying in Andorra doing the Schengen shuffle, in that coming and going from Andorra to Spain or France is never a problem, but flying out of Schengen from an airport other than Barcelona or Toulouse finds immigration officers confused about how long such a person might have been in Schengen. It's as you said, documentation showing that Andorra is NOT a Schengen country, and evidence of having spent the time in Andorra you claim you have spent, should be enough.
I'm guessing anyone who demands a French or Spanish entry/exit stamp could get one, but it's hard to take care of all that when you are stuck in a line of traffic that is just being waved through and no officer wants to say a word to you, let alone stamp anything!
I'm sure Andorra is a viable option, AND gives you access during your 90 day stay to great places in France and Spain while you are technically out of Schengen!
I'll let you know how this works when and if I try it!
We have a friend who does it, but she literally has to step out of the car, locate a border officer and request a stamp. We considered adding Andorra to the list, but we don’t want to put information out to the masses that can be difficult or questionable.
"rewarded with borderless travel"
if only that were true!
Germany recently re-instated border controls with all its neighbors, all countries did so through Covid, the France side of the border with Spain does checks within France, at the first autoroute toll booth, and so it goes on.
A police van at the border with Germany is hardly "border controls".
We read about Germany. We were just there in late August and just barely missed the new process.
How can you NOT know about the treaty for US citizens between the US and Poland?
We actually did a video and spoke about the bilateral agreement, go look at our Poland Residency video… You’re not telling us anything we don’t know. We just don’t know of anybody who successfully uses that. So do so at your own risk if you go through the Hungary border by land outside of Schengen expect to be penalized. Your land options to leave Poland are Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia, not too appealing right now.
@@WarrenJulieTravel --- Or Germany, or Czech Republic, or Slovakia, or Lithuania.
You don't have to exit Schengen, only Poland.
@@michael2685 you misunderstand, when you leave the Schengen and the countries you’re naming are Schengen their border guards are not going to associate your stay with Poland’s bilateral agreement, they see you as a Schengen over stay. You must depart Schengen via Poland or expect problems. You also should stay in Poland beyond your 90 day entry, if you have a traffic stop in Germany they will see you as an overstay if beyond 90 days. The bilateral does not grant you a Schengen visa just time in Poland.
@@WarrenJulieTravel -- A friend has done this for over FIVE years already,,,, and you?
Yes, I understand the "spirit" of the rule, however there are not border checks within the Schengen area. Train out of the country somewhere, have lunch, keep your receipts, go home to Poland.
@@michael2685 please give your friend my email address so we can interview him please. We would love to talk to him. WarrenJulieTravel@gmail.com we had one of Viewer that used to do Ukraine, but he never came through with contacting for an interview. If your desire is to just be in Poland full-time and going to Ukraine, it’s cool, the war has changed the enthusiasm for running across the border. Here is the residency video we did where our expert explains the bilateral relationship. Expert Tips for Poland Residency Programs
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But you dont need to stay out of the Schengen Zone for 90 days, you just have to avoid spending more than 90 days in the previous 180 days. You can return 89 days later or 49 or 29 days later if you wanted to.
This is correct, however, when you do strange combinations, it becomes very difficult to track. Simplicity is best to avoid those accidental overstays, so we don’t provide doing it as a recommendation, however, if you’re tracking yourself efficiently do whaat you’re comfortable with.
Since we drive, it often requires a long distance to get out of Schengen depending on where we are so we try to keep to a clean 90 day or less venture.
What do you think of Germany restricting their borders currently…is this possibly a trend in the Schengen due to illegal immigration?
They are not "restricting" their borders.
I thought you're now Schengen citizens via Warren's Polish ancestry, no?
No, bureaucrats in Poland made it difficult. I did a final video on the residency process and have the citizenship packet ready but I have not submitted. The tax laws and bureaucracy has tempered my enthusiasm.
@@WarrenJulieTravel Oh nooooo! I'm sorry. I hope it works out, maybe a pushy residency consultant can do the legwork and keep them on their toes while you're spending quality time in Serbia etc
@@WarrenJulieTravel Haha, yeah the taxes throughout Europe REALLY make you step back and look at the big picture and build a plan. Having said that I HAD a plan, but I saw one of your videos recently (probably because I made myself a low tax France plan) and that led me to watching this video. My initial plan was/is just put in the time somewhere for a passport and have total free movement, with no time constraints.
I have to say, because of THIS video, I'm really, really considering altering what I intended to do. And it might even be something you'd consider. Cyprus has a stay for 60 days for TAX residency, you just need to accumulate those days throughout the year. Very low rate, and you can get for SEVENTEEN years! So, if a person really is looking to do what you're doing (and I plan to do). It's a good tax base. And actually by NOT being Schengen, it's a great way to get your 60 tax days in while recharging your Schengen power.
Anyway, you've literally done what I plan to do these last 3-4 years (minus all that driving!) and I thank you for triggering an alternative plan for myself. I'm hoping I can dump these 2 US properties in the next 8 weeks if the sales go through (no more houses, that's it for me) and should be able to hit all the Christmas markets this year.
Not sure why you make a big deal about 89 days vs 90. So what if you are short one day. You are not blocked from entering if you have less than 90 days outside. They just look at how many days you were inside out of the last 180 days (as of that moment), and if it's less than 90, they let you in.
@@DavidFletcher566 are you a citizen of a Schengen country? You are oversimplifying it. Our goal is to keep people from going over 90 in 180 and explaining how to track those days. Over stays can lead to fines and a ban. You don’t have to stay out for 90 days if you stayed in less than 90, but the person better track effectively. If doing the Schengen Shuffle 90/91 is the easiest solution.
@@WarrenJulieTravel No, I'm a US citizen slow traveling like you guys. Was just in Saranda and Corfu recently, and now Vlore. Going to Montenegro next. Yes, the 90 out of 180 calculation is annoying, but can be done. It's hard for people to wrap their head around the concept, as for example, the idea that days you were in are dropping off your count as they go past 180 days in the past (from today). Mind bender :)
So, you are not "Avoiding the 90/180 day Schengen rules" you are keeping to keeping to them.
From an American perspective, we are avoiding having to leave Europe. This is educating others on how to remain in Europe and avoid having to leave Europe, as unfortunately many believe they must.
Oops, you just mentioned Georgia!
Yes, thanks for watching:)
I thought Ireland was in the Schengen
I believe it's EU not Schengen, opposite of Switzerland for ex., which is Schengen not EU.
@@matthewkendall8544 as Bob just mentioned, they are EU only.
Sorry, I’m confused by this Schengen/EU thing. Through my grandfather, I am eligible for Irish citizenship. I was hoping to get an Irish passport that would then allow me visa free access to the EU. I’m no longer sure if this is possible due to the difference between EU and Schengen
Ireland can't join Schengen due to t he ongoing Brutish occupation of part of their land. If they were to join Schengen, they would have to set up a land border on their own island between the republic and the Brutish Occupied Territories of Ireland
@@matthewkendall8544 You can stay as long as you like in the Schengen area with an Irish passport
Hello from Ukraine. Happy to have you visit us.
Thank you! 😃
you look like Alec Baldwin in your thumbnail
Hmmm, not sure if that’s good or bad….
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I really don't like Denmark! Norway is the most beautiful place in Scandinavia. Everything in Denmark is pretty horrible. The food (unless you like stinky fishy stuff) the people are not the friendliest and smell lof fish. The little mermaid in Copenhagen is in a horrible industrial area and I was so shocked by that 😢 You can see immediately what an ugly industrial area it is where the little mermaid is, you don't need to stay there for years to see what a horrible place it is. Not everyone has the same opinions as other people. So don't judge people because they have a different opinion to yourselves.
Terrible and frankly stupid advice. If you spend more than half a calendar year in the EU you should be paying taxes here and this video is kinda the same thing as filming yourself speeding on the road...
You might not get caught right away but you documented an infraction and might have to pay for it later...
In case of tax evasion it would be paying the due taxes + penalties + a ban from entering the EU for a few years....
What in the world are you talking about?
Do you have any idea about The Schengen???
There is no tax evasion here !
Everything we are doing is completely 100% legal and we are telling people how to remain on the continent for a year or more if they choose to do so.
The EU and Schengen are two different things
You are grossly misinformed or uninformed .
I chose to reply to this rather than remove it .
Also quite obvious you didn’t watch the video.
New here, i heard a slip of you have dogs. I have service dog and cats how do you do this stuff. Find a place to stay with animals travel with pets ETC. Me and my wife want to do this stuff are budget is 7k a month.
I think you emailed us about this and I emailed you back asking a few additional questions.