✈️🕵️ Outsmart the 90/180 Rule: 3 Tactics for US Travelers to Stay in Europe Indefinitely!
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🔺 Apologies for leaving out Ukraine in this episode. It completely slipped our minds to include it due to the ongoing war and the travel advisory. Ukraine has been on our list to travel to for some time now.However, as U.S. citizens, you can stay in Ukraine for 90 days out of every 180 days, without needing a visa. It's worth noting that Ukraine is a non-Schengen country
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9:46 EU Non Schengen Visa on Arrival
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🇺🇦 Apologies for leaving out Ukraine in this episode. It completely slipped our minds to include it due to the ongoing war and the travel advisory. Ukraine has been on our list to travel to for some time now.However, as U.S. citizens, you can stay in Ukraine for 90 days out of every 180 days, without needing a visa. It's worth noting that Ukraine is a non-Schengen country
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Thanks for the alert to the bilateral agreement countries. This was new information for me. I will have to do further research to fully understand this, but I appreciate you getting me started.
Glad it was helpful! Yes please do your own research for your specific situation. Thanks for sharing!
@@TheWanderingHartz Have you or anyone you know tried what you suggested with regard to using the bilateral agreement to stay beyond the initial 90 day stay? The reason I ask is because I had read that some immigration officers are unaware of these agreements. Thank you!
Not as of yet, we are looking into this ourselves for next summer. Read about this a few years ago, i think it may have been a Nomadic Matt article.
Highly recommend checking with each country and asking this specifically. Recommend documenting everything and bringing receipts and copies of correspondence just for this reason.
@@TheWanderingHartz Great idea and thanks for sharing! 💛
For any New Zealanders: New Zealand has bilateral visa waiver agreements are: Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and Switzerland.
Thanks for sharing this info!
Newer subscriber here. Thank you so much for this information!
DH and I are looking to retire later next year, sell everything and slow travel Europe in retirement for at least a few years.
It seems there are numerous options for doing so. We’ve seen folks that get retirement-type visas as well as those that slow travel on tourist visas and utilize the Schengen Shuffle.
Seems to reason that one might want to do the latter, see if overseas retirement is really their jam, find a place that appeals to them, then do the former.
A lot of options, kind of overwhelming but nevertheless an exciting prospect.
Thanks again and cheers! 🥂
Welcome aboard! We like the idea of doing preliminary visits or a three months trip to see what might be more your jam. 😎 Certainly are a lot of options and ways to explore, wishing you both the best upon your retirement!
The ETIAS looks like the EU is cracking down on Digital Nomads and other non-citizens who want to live in Europe but avoid paying income taxes.
Interesting, ETIAS will be good for 3 years. Most other digital nomads we meet tend to move quite a bit quicker than we do. With the availability of several digital nomad visas through the EU, I'm not as certain that is the case. We have a video coming out about ETIAS soon.
So Hungary, Poland and Denmark can be entered for 90 days even if you've just been 90 days in other Schengen countries. It's like they're non-Schengen except other Schengen countries will consider that you've just been in the Schengen 90 days if you try to leave one of these three countries for another 90 days in Schengen
Yes that is our understanding. You would still need to leave the Schengen to reset your clock before entering a schengen country unless you visit one with a bilateral agreement. Definitely double check with consulate your plan.
Hi Michelle, we met a couple if weeks ago in Albania, and not sure if we spoke about this but we will be using the bilateral agreement between Canada and Netherlands. In my discussion with Immigration and Naturalization department in NL, we need to prove theres a reason for us to stay longer. For us, its logical because of our canal boat that resides here. We have documentation for our meeting in July.
Ill let you know how it goes for us. 😊
Hi Laura, I remember you mentioned briefly about the agreement between Canada and the Netherlands. Yes, please let us know how it goes, we are interested in trying out a bilateral agreement next year!
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Glad it was helpful! 👍Ddo you have any footage of your travels on your channel? It all looked like stock footage. People like to see actual feet on the ground experience, essentially proof of expertise. Good luck!
@@TheWanderingHartz not so much, i don’t have any good cameras 😅 Only my cell phone 😁
You can do a lot with a cell phone 😀
Great video.
Thanks! It was a doozy to write and research lol
Love your video and it really helped understand a lot of things. Thank you.. New subscriber here and looking forward to
More videos
Welcome aboard! Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video I've watched it 3 times.😊 I found the Bilateral Agreement tip very helpful. 👍🌎
Did you get the thicker passports , one with more pages?
Love the drinking game idea.😅😂
👍 I did indeed
Have you successfully stayed in a Schengen country over 90 days with a bilateral agreement? I have read that doing this is extremely difficult. Have you been able to make this work?
We have not done so ourselves yet. We have read about many who have done this to some degree. We are looking to try this next summer 🤞
@@TheWanderingHartz I hope you will report on the channel if you can make it work. It would be a great option.
Sure thing
I don't recommend making a drinking game out of this video for each time we say Schengen or Bilateral Agreement! You will hate yourself the next morning 🤮
I’ve heard people that have tried to get an extended visa based on a bilateral agreement but I’ve never heard of anyone actually successfully doing so. It maybe tricky since passports don’t get stamped so there may not be adequate documentation.
The reddit thread has a few good examples. If all goes well we hope to try it next summer. Once ETIAS begins there will no longer be a requirement for passport stamps. Bring receipts for stays, busse, airline tickets etc. We create a travel document with all of our booking info and get digital receipts for it all even though we haven't tried this yet. We have been stopped before entering the schengen area with only a few days left. They want to see that we are leaving before our days are up.
The bilateral agreements have nothing to do with any extended visa, its just an agreement that allows anyone who's country has one with a Schengen country a fresh 90 days stay regardless time spent on other Schengen countries, there's plenty of propaganda out there surrounding this and kudos to these guys for highlighting it, plenty of other travel "experts" appear to be in denial over it and it's interesting how there's never been any doubt about the agreement between UK and Ireland's similar agreement since UK left Schengen. With regards to customs officers not knowing about it, it's their job to know all the laws, including these agreements.
Correction, UK left EU but not Schengen.
I've heard about this but do not know anyone who has actually done this successfully
Yeah for sure. It's why we recommend doing further research to see if it can work for your situation. ALthough I am not sure i would want to stay in Poland, Latvia, Denmark or Hungary through the winter months 🥶 Summer and Fall would be my preference.
@@TheWanderingHartz thanks for bringing this up though, it's definitely worth looking into to see whether it can work, I would love to spend 3 months in Poland and then 3 months in neighboring Hungary, or the opposite, say May-Oct :)
In the thread there was mention of this. It seems that may be a good option. Would recommend double checking with the consulates and/or border agencies.
Just missed the live stream??
It was a premiere so you can still watch anytime.
Hi there! I'm so glad your channel popped up in my feed. I've been slow traveling for two years. I'm currently in Serbia for three months and took a day trip to Hungary, lol, just last week. If I heard you correctly, can I go to Hungary on my 90th day here and stay for 6 months?
No, as I understand it you can spend and additional 90 in Hungary according to the bilateral agreement if your are coming from another Schengen country. 180 days is if you went directly to Hungary and spend you 90 Schengen days and stayed an additional 90. You would still need to leave directly for Hungary to a third country since your Schengen time would have been exhausted (as you are still technically in the Schengen Area) you must leave the Schengen Area to rest your time. Of course always check with the consulate or appropriate authorities in advance to verify your plan. I hope that helps.
@@TheWanderingHartz Thank you for explaining this; it does help.
I hope it helps, check with the authorities prior and let us know how it goes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Republic of Ireland allows 90 days but it can be based on how much time you have left from your 180 days spent in the UK. For instance, some people think they could spend 180 days in the UK then another 90 days in Ireland. This is not how it works. If you spent 150 days in the UK, you have 30 days of your 180 left. You can only spend that much time in Ireland, not a full 90. The same is true in reverse. If you spent 30 days in Ireland and then went to the UK, you can spend 150 days there, not 180.
Also, you are at the mercy of immigration officers, and they are especially suspicious in the UK. You WILL NOT get away with spending 180 days every year in the UK, no matter what your visa allows. Upon your second or third attempt to do that, it becomes pretty obvious that you're trying to just live in the UK without becoming a resident. They can and will tell you to turn around and get a flight to somewhere else. You won't even be allowed to leave the airport.
It seem you are confusing Northern Ireland (part of the United Kingdom) and the Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland is not a part of the Republic of Ireland, they are under separate governance. Border agents everywhere can deny entry if you dont have valid documentation or or they deem you are living somewhere. Best to have proof of onward travel/return travel , valid reason to be there, etc.
@@TheWanderingHartz No, I'm not confusing them. I know northern Ireland is part of the UK, that's why I specified Republic of Ireland. The travel agreement between ROI and UK is between them specifically and separate from any EU or Schengen rules. One absolutely cannot spend 180 days in the UK and then just pop over to ROI for another 90 days. And yes, border agents everywhere have the right to refuse entry. Too many people think their 90 (or 180) days is a RIGHT. It isn't. It is a privilege and not a guaranteed one.
Interesting stuff. There is the CTA (common travel area) and how "deemed Leave" vs. arriving to the UK as a visitor for non-visa nationals. It looks confusing and as not as easy to explain the difference. here is a good read that explains it better than I ever can: www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d60430a7-9704-4956-aa86-2c3f2e5c2234
TDLR They are not the same, however the concept of "deemed Leave" really only seems to pertain to someone moving about back and forth between Ireland and the UK. Six months for first visit from Ireland to Uk and 2 months second visit under "deemed Leave" concept, essentially a right of movement vs. being a visitor arriving in the UK on a tourist visa.
I dont think this will be an issue for someone moving through Europe. This is really only going to affect those trying to live in the UK and Ireland year round. A visit to another country in-between solves the biggest issue with this concept. Thanks for the great question! I hope this helps others.
@@TheWanderingHartz Oh, and I do hope my original post and reply don't sound like I was correcting (or worse, attacking!) you. I was just adding some more information to correct a common incorrect assumption that some people make which could lead them into trouble.
@@TheWanderingHartz Thanks for the clarification and the link. Putting a third country in between the UK and ROI likely would solve the problem.
Wait... are you saying that Poland still accepts "visa runs", i.e. that you get another 90 days by just leaving and then immediately re-entering the country? I thought this practice was long gone, at least within "Schengen-land". I think it is still possible between some of the (non-Schengen) Balkan countries, but even if legal, this is always risky since you will always be at the mercy of the immigration officer...
From our research it appears so. Your time in Poland would still count as Schengen, so you would need to to to a 3rd country to reset if you are staying past 90 days in Poland. Yes border control may not understand. so be prepared. check the reddit link, there is a great explanation about Poland specifically.
Visa-free travel to Belarus through Minsk International Airport was revoked for US passport holders in 2021 although it does still exist for EU, UK and Canadian passport holders.
Here is our source: travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Belarus.html
"30 Day Visa Free Travel
U.S. passport holders traveling to Belarus via Minsk International Airport may enter visa-free for up to 30 days (the 30-day limit includes the day of arrival and the day of departure) for tourism or business.
Visa-Free Travel Requirements
U.S. citizens wishing to enter Belarus for 30 days without a visa must:
Hold a valid passport;
Enter and exit Belarus via Minsk International Airport;
Arrive from and depart to any country other than the Russian Federation;
Show evidence of finances in the form of cash, credit cards or travelers checks equivalent to 25 Euros for each day of stay;
Show evidence of a medical insurance policy with at least 10,000 Euros of coverage valid throughout Belarus. Such a policy may be purchased at the airport upon arrival; please see the Embassy of Belarus website for information about current fees; and
Register with the local office of the Citizenship and Migration Department of the Ministry of the Interior for stays longer than five working days (see below).
The Visa-free option is not available to you if:
You are coming directly to or from the Russian Federation.
You enter and exit Belarus anywhere other than Minsk International Airport.
You plan to stay longer than 30 days.
You are entering on a diplomatic or official passport."
Have you actually done this or is this conceptual based on your research?
Hey Linda, it is conceptual on our part. We have read about many who have done this to some degree. We are looking to try this next summer 🤞
Doesn’t France have a 90-day bilateral agreement?
I believe so, but haven't had a chance to research it yet.
I do not see any evidence that bilateral agreements existed after a country has become a part of the Schengen agreement. These agreements could have existed before then. Please show us government documentation before getting our hopes up. Because I really wanted to believe these bilateral agreements are current for my own full-time travel purposes!
There are links in the description you can follow to help in your research.