Way I see it, landscape photography is not crime scene photography: the goal isn't documentation, it's communication and expression. So yeah, you're of course "allowed" to express what you want. Split-toning and vignetting are both completely legitimate means to express what you want to express. I'm not a split-tone guy but I love the look of it from others. That's a great photo of the tree, Chris, very nicely done. 👍
"landscape photography is not crime scene photography: the goal isn't documentation, it's communication and expression." I feel EXACTLY the same James! I might have a t'shirt made with that quote on it.
It’s a nice image in colour but really stunning in black and white! I’ve not spent much time trying black and white images, to me they give impression of mood and sorrow however this video has changed that. I’ll have to force myself to give it a try on my next outing.
The real skill in monochrome is finding the right subject and burnishing it with lovely grain and texture. Not always i might add, but some subjects depend on it. Be nice to see more images like it being promoted..
Another great video Chris, I too recently started shooting more black and white, I made my camera shoot in Mono so I had a JPEG mono and a RAW file to adjust. I am really enjoying it....great work Chris
Ooooh you rebel!!!! Thanks Chris - all tips gratefully accepted and appreciated. Love the image with the foreground - and I like the vignette - enhances the shot a lot! (a bit of poetry never hurt anyone!!!) 😅🤣😂 Stay safe Chris 👍👌👌
Brilliant video Chris. The new approach between outside video and indoor tutorial really works well and I find is just the right balance. You've inspired me to go out and focus some sessions just on B&W for a change.
Jan and I have just watched this absorbing video. She has just 'shot' out of the door with my camera set on B/W style !!! Never mind, I'll just watch your Winter video. :)
Thanks Chris for this great video, photos and advices. I love b&w (I've a dark room when young in film times), love b&w portrait and street photography, but landscape b&w are, for me, a really hard challenge.
Nice one mate. I don’t do much B&W photography but these tips will probably help me when I do give it a go. I think you’ve got your “studio” lighting sorted-looks good. 👍 Cheers.
Some really good advice Chris. I especially agree with setting your camera to shoot in the black and white mode. I found that the more I do that, it helps me to visualize in my mind what a particular scene might look like in monochrome even when I'm not looking through the viewfinder.
Great video Chris, there's a lot if freedom in black and white that you don't get with colour (just my humble opinion ) editing in b&w really ollows for anything goes approach and as long as you like it thats what counts , i use the radial filter along in my processing.
Most helpful thanks Chris. I have been working on bw more recently but I will try the luminosity and split tone that will be a good experiment. I live in Aust so ideal for bw, in fact I have taken beach scenes in colour on bright day but converted to bw can give quite an atmosphere. Thanks, I never miss.
Used to love toning B&W print images in the darkroom and was just getting into doing it digitally before my photography took a break about 10 years ago. Will definitely be exploring split toning now that I'm back out taking photos again. Thanks Chris
Great video Chris, and I'm sure handy for anyone considering their first steps into digital black and white photography. Even as a seasoned landscaper, I'd not necessarily thought about going out into the landscape with black and white in mind, preferring instead to react to the conditions and make the choice at the time that a lack of colour would work best. I must give this a try myself, but at a location that is not familiar to increase the chances of breaking out of my comfort zone. All the best.
Hi Chris: Thanks for preparing and sharing your workflow for processing B & W images. Like you, I am starting to use B&W a little more for my images. However, I am not comfortable yet with split-toning my images. If I do, then I use it very sparingly. I also like using Nik's Silver Efex Pro2 for get some additional leverage for these images. Keep safe . . . Cheers, Keith
I have use Silver Efex in the past Keith and I think it is excellent. But as I have so many images to process these days I tend to stick to LR. It is where I am most comfortable.
@@ChrisSalePhoto I am with Keith on this Nik efex is a superb tool, Silver efex is just so good to work with and with toning it will give you a precise edge and you can save your recipes for a one-click fix on your workflow.
Interesting video, Chris. I've done a heap of film b&w (home processed and printed) when it was popular to produce high contrast shots; film had to be "pushed" which sounded so much more dramatic than under-exposed, and every street shot just had to be "gritty" (high ISO film, again under-exposed). There were more would-be Cartier-Bressons running around than you could poke a stick at. I went the other way, trying to get a range of tones with subtle "luminosity" the goal. If you know the old "In Search of …. Scotland", et al name any country, travel books of HV Morton (UK) from the 1920s and 1930s, the dozen or so illustrations in each book are good examples. Split toning (eg mimicking selenium) is an important skill, and again its subtle effects can add great atmosphere. When less is more..
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment Alexander. I really appreciate it. I always find it fascinating to hear how other photographers approach things.
Hi Chris, Lovely black and white images and nice touch with the split toning! Thanks for the great tips. Btw, You might like to check: the link in the description to you blogpost black and white is not working properly,.......
Those were really great tips - thank you. I'd never thought of the split toning, but it looked really good; now I'm going to give that a try. Thanks again
Great tips man. I like your toning on these, but I don't like marmite haha. I'm going give some black and white film a go soon. Just making sure the old slrs I have work ok
Great video, thanks. Question: Why doesn't converting to B&W in post accomplish the same thing as shooting in B&W? I always do it in post, but now I'm questioning that.
Hi Timothy, I shoot RAW so the image is always captured in colour and then converted to black and white in post. However, changing the picture style of my camera to monochrome helps me to see exactly what the scene looks like in black and white. But the RAW is still in colour. Hope that helps.
@@ChrisSalePhoto Good explanation, Chris, thanks. Makes a lot of sense. In fact it clears up something I have been worrying about I should have known. I was worried that capturing an image in B&W would lock me into B&W, but that's not true. Shooting in RAW is the key. No matter what picture style is showing up on the video screen, the RAW will be RAW, and I can process the file as I see fit -- even producing one color and one B&W if I choose. And I always shoot RAW+jpeg. Thanks for hitting the "Ah, Ha" button that made me see this -- it should have been obvious, but alas. That's why you're the pro, and I'm just a slug. lol
Good advise. I definitely prefer using split toning for my monochrome images. :) I also use an infrared converted camera which adds another dimension. The various tones of green vegetation will switch to different levels of white and the blue sky can be dark. The details in wood really stands out too.
Tnx, really nice, I think a video explaining the Lr controls (your usual straightforward down to earth way) would be helpful cause there is a lot of confusion about what pushing this or that means, etc. Stay safe and healthy
@@ChrisSalePhoto Tnx, interesting I follow your channel almost since the beginning and get all your notifications, etc. but somehow the video you suggest didn't register. I'll watch it (again?) - All the best D
Thanks for the tips Chris. I really do need to do more b and w. I would love to know more of why you do your standard edits before switching to black and white. Why not switch to black and white first?
Ah, sorry Jon, I should have explained. I do the standard exposure adjustments first to reveal detail in the shadows and highlights. I then scan the image so that I understand which are the dominant colours so that when it comes to adjusting the luminosity of the separate colour channels I know which ones I want to focus on. Then I convert to black and white and begin the process of editing the image. Hope that helps.
Chris, another good and informative video. I usually use BW to "save" a color image that I find to be just not quite what i wanted. Unfortunately, I have fairly limited editing software so I don't get too fancy with the edits. Looking forward to the next video.
Another great video. It is timely for me too, as that I've been exporting shooting a LOT of B&W lately myself. I started mostly doing it on medium format film, I have a Hasselblad 6x6, and a Shen Hao 6x17 view camera as my two main MF film formats and have been exploring shooting square and large pano shots with those. However, I'm now playing with doing just like you mentioned, and taking my digital cameras out for the purpose that day of shooting B&W. In the past, I really only used B&W to try to rescue shots, ESPECIALLY concert shots where the lighting is often horrid for color shooting....but more and more, I'm appreciating the aesthetics of black and white. I"m really trying to teach myself how to "see" in black and white, how to see tonal variances that lens themselves to good monochrome compositions. Ive found some TH-cam lessons on doing just this, on the Adomrama and other sites. You might give them a search and watch, one was like over 2 hours, but by the end, I was starting to be able to 'see' tonal variations beyond the colors in a scene. Keep up the great work and stay safe Chris!! CC
Enjoyed watching. I found I came to appreciate black and white more as I got older. I think as you say it can simplify the image and can instil emotion. BTW Chris there is an ‘s’ missing from landscape in your blog link.
Thanks for letting me know Andy. I have fixed the link now. Did you manage to find the article on my website. I'd been keen to hear what you thought of it.
Hi, I prefer the portrait photo rather than the landscape orientation. If you start by raising the shadows and lowering the highlights isn't that reducing contrast before you start your b/w editing?
Yes it does Glyn. It is all about getting to a good starting point to begin the edit. By lifting the shadows and pulling down the highlights I aim to reveal more detail in these areas. Then this can be exaggerated when I start to tune the different colour channels and boost the clarity.
I do like your comments and workflow tips.... I quite like your 'split-toning as well - BUT... a word of warning to those who might enter these in competitions. Most competitions would not accept split-toning as a true monochrome image .
I like the composition. However, the light didn't do you any favors even in the B&W. That white sky is just so distracting. Appreciate the video including the post-process work.
Be careful not to confuse light with interest in the sky Erich. The light was ideal for this shot. The diffused light is perfect for revealing fine detail which can be exaggerated in post with a touch of clarity. I do take your point about the bright sky but ultimately I am very happy with the final result. Thanks as always for your input, it's greatly appreciated.
Way I see it, landscape photography is not crime scene photography: the goal isn't documentation, it's communication and expression. So yeah, you're of course "allowed" to express what you want. Split-toning and vignetting are both completely legitimate means to express what you want to express. I'm not a split-tone guy but I love the look of it from others. That's a great photo of the tree, Chris, very nicely done. 👍
"landscape photography is not crime scene photography: the goal isn't documentation, it's communication and expression." I feel EXACTLY the same James! I might have a t'shirt made with that quote on it.
@@ChrisSalePhoto There is your first piece of Chris Sale merch sorted :)
Huw Alban Sign me up for a tshirt! Chris can take credit for that one. 🤙 (His video we were talking about after all.)
That subtle vignetting was so good.
An excellent video on Black and White!!! Thanks Chris!
The black and whites are amongst your your best work IMHO.
A very informative video Chris with some very good pointers on black and white images.
I learned new things here. Quite useful, this video. Thank you for posting it. I am sure I will watch it a few more times.
Another great video with good tips! Thanks!
It’s a nice image in colour but really stunning in black and white! I’ve not spent much time trying black and white images, to me they give impression of mood and sorrow however this video has changed that. I’ll have to force myself to give it a try on my next outing.
The real skill in monochrome is finding the right subject and burnishing it with lovely grain and texture. Not always i might add, but some subjects depend on it. Be nice to see more images like it being promoted..
Another great video Chris, I too recently started shooting more black and white, I made my camera shoot in Mono so I had a JPEG mono and a RAW file to adjust. I am really enjoying it....great work Chris
Ooooh you rebel!!!! Thanks Chris - all tips gratefully accepted and appreciated. Love the image with the foreground - and I like the vignette - enhances the shot a lot! (a bit of poetry never hurt anyone!!!) 😅🤣😂 Stay safe Chris 👍👌👌
thanks, that was great and gave me a lot to think about since i seldom edit landscape into B&W
Brilliant video Chris. The new approach between outside video and indoor tutorial really works well and I find is just the right balance. You've inspired me to go out and focus some sessions just on B&W for a change.
Jan and I have just watched this absorbing video. She has just 'shot' out of the door with my camera set on B/W style !!! Never mind, I'll just watch your Winter video. :)
Thanks Chris for this great video, photos and advices. I love b&w (I've a dark room when young in film times), love b&w portrait and street photography, but landscape b&w are, for me, a really hard challenge.
Thanks, Chris .... very interesting and useful discussion!
I liked the split tone. Good job.
Nice one mate. I don’t do much B&W photography but these tips will probably help me when I do give it a go. I think you’ve got your “studio” lighting sorted-looks good. 👍 Cheers.
Some good tips there Chris.
As always, great video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and your process.
Thank you for your tips Chris, enjoyable video, i myself do not do hardly any black and white so now i might give it a try. Take care.
Some really good advice Chris. I especially agree with setting your camera to shoot in the black and white mode. I found that the more I do that, it helps me to visualize in my mind what a particular scene might look like in monochrome even when I'm not looking through the viewfinder.
Great video Chris, there's a lot if freedom in black and white that you don't get with colour (just my humble opinion ) editing in b&w really ollows for anything goes approach and as long as you like it thats what counts , i use the radial filter along in my processing.
Nice video like your BW work dude
Most helpful thanks Chris. I have been working on bw more recently but I will try the luminosity and split tone that will be a good experiment. I live in Aust so ideal for bw, in fact I have taken beach scenes in colour on bright day but converted to bw can give quite an atmosphere. Thanks, I never miss.
Used to love toning B&W print images in the darkroom and was just getting into doing it digitally before my photography took a break about 10 years ago. Will definitely be exploring split toning now that I'm back out taking photos again. Thanks Chris
Great tips. I like the split toning, it's what I've done on some images and really like it.
Great video Chris, and I'm sure handy for anyone considering their first steps into digital black and white photography. Even as a seasoned landscaper, I'd not necessarily thought about going out into the landscape with black and white in mind, preferring instead to react to the conditions and make the choice at the time that a lack of colour would work best. I must give this a try myself, but at a location that is not familiar to increase the chances of breaking out of my comfort zone. All the best.
Hi Chris: Thanks for preparing and sharing your workflow for processing B & W images. Like you, I am starting to use B&W a little more for my images. However, I am not comfortable yet with split-toning my images. If I do, then I use it very sparingly. I also like using Nik's Silver Efex Pro2 for get some additional leverage for these images. Keep safe . . . Cheers, Keith
I have use Silver Efex in the past Keith and I think it is excellent. But as I have so many images to process these days I tend to stick to LR. It is where I am most comfortable.
@@ChrisSalePhoto I am with Keith on this Nik efex is a superb tool, Silver efex is just so good to work with and with toning it will give you a precise edge and you can save your recipes for a one-click fix on your workflow.
Interesting video, Chris. I've done a heap of film b&w (home processed and printed) when it was popular to produce high contrast shots; film had to be "pushed" which sounded so much more dramatic than under-exposed, and every street shot just had to be "gritty" (high ISO film, again under-exposed). There were more would-be Cartier-Bressons running around than you could poke a stick at.
I went the other way, trying to get a range of tones with subtle "luminosity" the goal. If you know the old "In Search of …. Scotland", et al name any country, travel books of HV Morton (UK) from the 1920s and 1930s, the dozen or so illustrations in each book are good examples.
Split toning (eg mimicking selenium) is an important skill, and again its subtle effects can add great atmosphere. When less is more..
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment Alexander. I really appreciate it. I always find it fascinating to hear how other photographers approach things.
Good Job
very interesting video, a black and white fan here .
Another great video Chris.
Some really sound advice.
I have never thought of using luminosity or split tone,but i will give it a try.
Hi Chris, Lovely black and white images and nice touch with the split toning! Thanks for the great tips. Btw, You might like to check: the link in the description to you blogpost black and white is not working properly,.......
Thanks for letting me know Corine, I have fixed the link. Did you manage to find the post? I'd be interested to hear what you thought of it.
@@ChrisSalePhoto Yes Chris, had no problem finding the post! Your website looks neat and is easy to navigate. Just subscribed to your newsletter!
Those were really great tips - thank you. I'd never thought of the split toning, but it looked really good; now I'm going to give that a try. Thanks again
Great tips man. I like your toning on these, but I don't like marmite haha. I'm going give some black and white film a go soon. Just making sure the old slrs I have work ok
Great video, thanks. Question: Why doesn't converting to B&W in post accomplish the same thing as shooting in B&W? I always do it in post, but now I'm questioning that.
Hi Timothy, I shoot RAW so the image is always captured in colour and then converted to black and white in post. However, changing the picture style of my camera to monochrome helps me to see exactly what the scene looks like in black and white. But the RAW is still in colour. Hope that helps.
@@ChrisSalePhoto Good explanation, Chris, thanks. Makes a lot of sense.
In fact it clears up something I have been worrying about I should have known. I was worried that capturing an image in B&W would lock me into B&W, but that's not true. Shooting in RAW is the key. No matter what picture style is showing up on the video screen, the RAW will be RAW, and I can process the file as I see fit -- even producing one color and one B&W if I choose. And I always shoot RAW+jpeg.
Thanks for hitting the "Ah, Ha" button that made me see this -- it should have been obvious, but alas. That's why you're the pro, and I'm just a slug. lol
Good advise. I definitely prefer using split toning for my monochrome images. :) I also use an infrared converted camera which adds another dimension. The various tones of green vegetation will switch to different levels of white and the blue sky can be dark. The details in wood really stands out too.
I do like the split toning. Great tips.
Tnx, really nice, I think a video explaining the Lr controls (your usual straightforward down to earth way) would be helpful cause there is a lot of confusion about what pushing this or that means, etc. Stay safe and healthy
Hi Dimitris - have you seen this video of mine... th-cam.com/video/aeSptwVY5fY/w-d-xo.html
@@ChrisSalePhoto Tnx, interesting I follow your channel almost since the beginning and get all your notifications, etc. but somehow the video you suggest didn't register. I'll watch it (again?) - All the best D
Great Video Chris really loved the ferns in the photo il definitely have a go at split toning never done that with a B&W 👍🏻
Thanks for the tips Chris. I really do need to do more b and w. I would love to know more of why you do your standard edits before switching to black and white. Why not switch to black and white first?
Ah, sorry Jon, I should have explained. I do the standard exposure adjustments first to reveal detail in the shadows and highlights. I then scan the image so that I understand which are the dominant colours so that when it comes to adjusting the luminosity of the separate colour channels I know which ones I want to focus on. Then I convert to black and white and begin the process of editing the image. Hope that helps.
@@ChrisSalePhoto No need to apologize, yes that helps a lot.
Chris, another good and informative video. I usually use BW to "save" a color image that I find to be just not quite what i wanted. Unfortunately, I have fairly limited editing software so I don't get too fancy with the edits. Looking forward to the next video.
Another great video. It is timely for me too, as that I've been exporting shooting a LOT of B&W lately myself. I started mostly doing it on medium format film, I have a Hasselblad 6x6, and a Shen Hao 6x17 view camera as my two main MF film formats and have been exploring shooting square and large pano shots with those.
However, I'm now playing with doing just like you mentioned, and taking my digital cameras out for the purpose that day of shooting B&W.
In the past, I really only used B&W to try to rescue shots, ESPECIALLY concert shots where the lighting is often horrid for color shooting....but more and more, I'm appreciating the aesthetics of black and white.
I"m really trying to teach myself how to "see" in black and white, how to see tonal variances that lens themselves to good monochrome compositions. Ive found some TH-cam lessons on doing just this, on the Adomrama and other sites.
You might give them a search and watch, one was like over 2 hours, but by the end, I was starting to be able to 'see' tonal variations beyond the colors in a scene.
Keep up the great work and stay safe Chris!!
CC
Thanks so much for the tips about the other videos. I will give them a watch when I find the time. :)
Enjoyed watching. I found I came to appreciate black and white more as I got older. I think as you say it can simplify the image and can instil emotion. BTW Chris there is an ‘s’ missing from landscape in your blog link.
Thanks for letting me know Andy. I have fixed the link now. Did you manage to find the article on my website. I'd been keen to hear what you thought of it.
Yes I found it off your blog menu, but it was only a quick peek this morning, had time to read it more fully tonight and left a comment on it.
Fun to shoot B and W.
Hi, I prefer the portrait photo rather than the landscape orientation. If you start by raising the shadows and lowering the highlights isn't that reducing contrast before you start your b/w editing?
Yes it does Glyn. It is all about getting to a good starting point to begin the edit. By lifting the shadows and pulling down the highlights I aim to reveal more detail in these areas. Then this can be exaggerated when I start to tune the different colour channels and boost the clarity.
I do like your comments and workflow tips....
I quite like your 'split-toning as well - BUT... a word of warning to those who might enter these in competitions. Most competitions would not accept split-toning as a true monochrome image .
I like the composition. However, the light didn't do you any favors even in the B&W. That white sky is just so distracting. Appreciate the video including the post-process work.
Be careful not to confuse light with interest in the sky Erich. The light was ideal for this shot. The diffused light is perfect for revealing fine detail which can be exaggerated in post with a touch of clarity. I do take your point about the bright sky but ultimately I am very happy with the final result. Thanks as always for your input, it's greatly appreciated.
I need to be careful when I'm waving my DSLR camera around, otherwise I'll accidentally hit someone or drop my camera. 🤣
What is the advantage of waving it around, Mike?