I'm considering not complaining. I realize 2014 was the proazoic age and those early digital earners were seen as advanced iF they didn't draw on dried mud with scavenged charcoal briquettes.
this stuff really does help people do it! i do have 2 comments tho.. 1. for the straight lines bit try not to press down too hard cause you dont want to create a little "channel" in the paper thats going to aide in keeping your stroke straight. 2. keep in mind that you arent just learning how to draw but learning how YOU draw.. listen to your body find the range of motions that come easy and find how you can use it to your advantage... if you need to rotate the paper a certain way to get the best line in a given angle go for it.. be loose and comfortable
I had issues with pen control when it came to using newer pens rather than ergonomic ballpoint ones. But once I discovered this exercise video, it really made a huge difference. Been practicing all night during Nine PM while following this video, thus obtaining amazing results. Thank you so very, very much for this!!!!!😆
This is so great to help improve muscle memory and improve ones control of their drawing instrument. Even though some people don't actually use these methods for drawing it's kinda like gym for your drawing hand😜 the more you practice the abstract stuff the easier it gets to put shapes together to make your art what you want it to be. Thanks for this video. I appreciate the concept!👍👍👍👍👌
Amazingly I actually know all these exercises. did them everyday. it was... tedious but necessary. I enjoy learning new ways to draw. the last one is the one that interests me. how you shade them. I did something similar but on separate exercises.
I have this one exercise i definitely prefer to do over this which it you make a dot and draw a bunch of lines from that vocal point and then you make circles using the lines guide lines
I like your exercises here, my problem is that I am left handed & need to adapt to each one individually. I have only found 2 left handed 'Tube' instructors so far, but they haven't done videos on exercises. Well, I guess it's practice, practice until I get it better. Thank you for you video.
Oopsy, yeap maybe. I just got too carried away by these exercises as they are the only one's which I practice everyday and my sketches turn out to be really good.
The angle of the camera is slightly freaky at first but actually seems to help with clarity. What are your thoughts on using toned paper? Any advice on how it differs? A great video! : )
+Baraku L Toned paper is great, i don't use it a lot but still nice to work with and a good study medium. it differs in the fact it's toned? you work from the middle rather than from the highlights down to black, or in the case of black paper, from that to the lights? Changing the patterns up a but helps to be more aware of them, and thus learn more.
I'm left handed and find it easier if I do the opposite of what you do. If you start to draw from the top left of the page, I start from the top right.
I know this is 3 yrs but glad I'm not the only one who's using a left hand I know its obvious that others use left handed, but in drawing I was shooked
I liked the video but I think when using pencils to draw, holding the pencil about two inches down from the tip seems to work best. It allows your wrist and fingers to engage while drawing which helps people stay loose and to make larger shapes. When drawing smaller/more precise objects, then slide closer to the tip but not before.
As it would happen +Stephen Wisniewski I agree completely. Indeed, I teach a variety of grips for similar reasons. A closer tripod gives you tighter control of fine detail-hence why it's been the go to for writing for ages. But once you want to open up a bit yes, more room gives you greater range of movement. I have a later clip about grip, here! th-cam.com/video/QYNaXrhCbls/w-d-xo.html
They mainly give you more control, so it will have a huge influence on your drawing. BUT they are only one component of study, you still need to do a lot of observational drawing and all the rest.
I posted some that way back when I used that stand and people complain about that too! lol. Better camera mount now but you can never make everyone happy when they are getting a free demo.
I got so made that I couldn't draw a straight line I put a big "fuck!" on the page. I'm gonna keep going, but keep in mind I'm using a shitty pen and not a spiral flat sketchbook, so maybe that's why I keep fucking up. IT'S SO FUCKING DIFFICULT DAMN IT!!!
When I'm practacing (And especially now) all I use is cheap 'crappy' stuff, just makes me work a little harder for desired effects. Just keep practicing!! You'll get there :)
No he's a decade or so younger than me, and I'm from Toronto. I recognized the stuff he teaches for sure, a lot of this is old drafting teachings and things I picked up learning to draw from animators and a variety of artists I grew up around. I definitely recommend his instructional stuff, some of the advice he gives in his earlier clips I find a little 'you just do it' at times, but over all very solid.
@@Salgood very helpful. Anything you’d advice a young artist stuck in the “practicing phase” I’ve understood a lot of concepts but would like to know if there’s a way I can track my progress so I know if I’m on the right track probably.
Do we have to lock our wrist all the time with all the shapes mentioned? I notice that when you are drawing the first row for small circles, your wrist can also move.
I don't think you ever really want to fully lock it, you don't want to tense up so locking it is often bad for that. I use my wrist a little for both larger movements where most of the action is in the elbow and shoulder, but also it comes into play a little for things where most of the action is in the fingers.
Alex yep, there's a few things that overlap, that's partly because it's old drafting and calligraphy practices and really just a great way to increase hand eye control fast. But I've seen his clips too, he's great! When the name for the course I teach was suggested by the director of my school, I googled it and his stuff came up right away, I assumed the boss had it in mind when he suggested the course title so I made sure to include pattern form and line control excersises in the course I teach too. that's why the clips, these were made for my students first and foremost to use, though your free to as well!
@@Salgood ah yeah you did my bad, sorry! that's helpful though thanks. while a lot of drawing courses teach beginners to draw from their shoulder, i would still like to train my precision with my wrist, that isn't too great at times when drawing small shapes
I’m sorry to say but this goes against all drawing lessons I’ve ever seen (from reputable teachers) starting from the way of holding the pen, to resting your elbow. First thing they teach you is to hold the pen with the overhand grip and draw from your shoulder, with the hole arm, moving freely and only changing to the tripod grip for closer smaller details. The idea of drawing repeatedly either lines or shapes is correct though, (practice makes improvement) but needs to be done with the hole arm, at the right distance and angle towards the paper (perpendicular to you) otherwise, the way it’s shown here, you’ll maybe get good for calligraphy and small drawings, but what if you want to do bigger drawings? (You’ll need really long arms from the elbow to hand! 😉)
So first of all, I'm a reputable teacher as well, btw. Second over hand is for more upright easile work drawing life at, it's less practical at a drafting table. Different techniques, for different situations.
Question: Do you have your pencils taped together to use them up better, or is there another reason? Is it just tape or another procedure sticking them together? Thanks!
yes +Annie Brewer, the first thing! i take the eraser and mettle holder off one, and the eraser out of the other [the erasers that come with them aren't that good anyway] and then fit them together with the mettle holder left behind on the one so I can keep using them when they are stubby. Also mixing the colors makes it east to do two tone work.
I find where you hold it has an impact on how tight the forms are, and some of the grips I use are better for line control than others, but how far back I hold it, for straight long lines? Never found that makes a bit difrence, if anything if I hold it too far back it can less precise for straight lines. I have a whole post and video about this stuff, I use what i called in this post an "extended tripod" more for gestural drawing than for controlled drafting. But if you mean like an "artists tripod", yeah sure? Though I don't find a standard tripod grip to be an issue for line control at all either. Check out the link for what all those look like. dd.salgoodsam.com/grip/
Just a thought for future videos you might want to use black paper if you're going to use a light colors pencil. This was very difficult to see due to low contrast...
Nope, have you drawn on black paper with this kind of coloured pencil? It doesn't show at all. It would be far worse. The lines are easy to see on my screens, you might need to adjust your monitor.
You want to draw a hairy arm, they can be useful! Otherwise not much, just make extra work later. Don't think of it as 'committed' lines, just clean and clear. Go light, not hairy, if you're still figuring it out.
When you draw the third line, the long one, and you talk about anchoring the elbow - this is what people refer to as "drawing with the shoulder"? Because you are rotating from the shoulder yes? Some people talk about drawing from the "Arm", this is the same thing too? Thanks
sort of, though it's NOT drawing in that case with the shoulder, it's using the elbow. there are other situations where the shoulder is better for related reasons.
+Salgood Sam I get confused when the terminology of Elbow, Shoulder and Arm are used. I dont know anything about anatomy but i feel there is more than one way to move the shoulder - this blurs the distinction between it and the elbow. Do you have any videos or can you link me any resources that would make this clearer? Thanks
Is smudging your hand along the paper cheating in order to keep the lines straight? My lines are pretty straight when I do when I dont my lines curve a bit more.
Well first I don't recall where I said that in this clip, it's been over 6 years. What's the time stamp? But i talk in the clip about the impact of various angles on the line, I don't say ONLY hold it at 90 degrees. And you might be also thrown by the camera angle. there are times where I definitely do hold it at 90 degrees from the plain of the paper, but the cam is not, it's closer to 75.
@@Salgood thanks for the reply the time stamp is at 1:00 to 1:18. Looking at it again you said to keep the pencil vertical which I mistook for a 90 degree angle. This makes it much clearer thank you
I don't understand what practising this will do for me. When I don't know how to draw. I just can't see what practising this contributes. And what in return makes easier to learn? Pleas, elaborate a bit.
+Utrilus Drawing is like handwriting, in that a great deal of it is about consistent, repeatable, control of your tools. Being able to make the mark you want, when you want, where you want. Learning to do that is twice as hard if you only ever do things like, drawing figures from life. That's good to do of course, but it's just ONE exercise. When doing life studies, you're also trying to learn how to see, interpret, and render anatomy. being attentive to line control, repetition, how the tool works, is hard to manage at the same time. You can get some in that way, but mostly you're thinking about proportions anatomy, lighting and drapery maybe? Pattern and control exercises like this free you from thinking about getting the subject-a person, a car, a dog, etc-"right", and let you JUST focus on how to make a specific kind of mark, reliably. How to draw, a pattern, a line, shade forms. A good drawing, is made up of a collection of skills being applied. These exercises help isolate the training of some of those skills. That help?
+Salgood Sam Yes, a bit. Now it starts to fit into the whole. Analog movement, easy to practice. So not studying this will just get in the way of drawing. Or cause unnecessary confusion. Or if not confusion its just wasteful divide of focus between the subject and the drawing. Because its easy to practice. You mentioned handwriting. How does that connect? Hmm... In handwriting I practice letters~ So the patters are the equivalents to individual letters.
Salgood Sam I've been doing a lot of line practice, like 80% of all my drawing. Sure I'm getting incrementally better at doing it, and am starting to find beginnings of small rhythms but my progress is so very slow. Yeah it feels like I did great work and it was fun to do it. Is there something like too much practice. Have you had students who just go ham on practising lines and pretty much forget to do anything else~ What do you tell them?
+Utrilus I'm not totally sure what going 'ham' on practice is, but for sure don't just practice one thing. I teach "dynamic drawing", you don't get anything dynamic if you just develop one thing. Dynamic comes from range, flexibility. Diversity.
I dont know why these practices are so difficult for me. Been trying this for months.. I just dont know why my arm, brain and eye cant seem to work together
"+Tony D. i never know when to use my arm..my wrist..my elbow.." +Tony D. So that part is easy for me to answer. It's all down to the size of the form you're drawing, for these practices anyway. If you only use your fingers for example, to draw a circle, the circle can only be as large as they are able to reach. To get bigger, first the wrist will give you a bit more range. To get larger still, the elbow. Same for a line. A short one, like 3 to 4 inches, I can do with just the range of movement available to my fingers without moving my arm. i can do a bit better than 6 inches with my wrist and fingers working together. and over a foot if i use mostly my elbow. If that long line needs to be straight, you have to use you hand and wrist to compensate for the natural arch created by swinging your arm from the wrist. make sense?
"I dont know why these practices are so difficult for me. Been trying this for months.. I just dont know why my arm, brain and eye cant seem to work together" +Tony D. unfortunately without seeing you do the work, I can't really say what your problem is. Sorry! Could be a lot of simple technical things, but I'd have to at least see your results, and ideally you doing them to be able to say.
Sarah Talaid lol, sure, you going to buy me expensive rigging for that? you can see what I'm doing this way a lot better, if it was behind me, my hand would be in the way. and it's where I can mount my cam.
@@jerrywebster7678 No problem. Lots of good Pigment Pens out there, i'm planning to do an actual tool vid soon. But those were my first, my mother is an artist and i started using hers as a kid! Still love them.
Salgood Sam How wonderful. I think I would have loved growing up with an artist parent. Thanks for the tips in the video. I’m literally just trying to get started with drawing, and this should improve eye hand coordination. Should you do these every day for about 15 minutes or something? I’ll be looking out for more tips. Thanks and thank your mom😉
you can see it fine, and the light colour is used with intention when it is, so you can also see the darker work I do over them clearly. Also this is a 6 year old clip, not like I can go back and change it after it was posted and 2.3k views later you're the first to mention this so not really a problem people were having.
I am a beginner at all things drawing. i followed along as best i could and i have to tell you.. my hand hurts LOL but i can see how doing this kind of exercise every day would strengthen your hand and you would get better and better control as you go. thank you for the video its very helpful.
Charlie Mattox, glad to help, fyi make sure not to grip your tools very hard, look up the clip I posted on grips for details but while drawing a lot may make your hand tired, a little sore at times, it should not hurt badly, that's typically a sign your holding it too tightly!
It will strengthen your hand to draw regularly, but drawing doesn't require strength really, and a lighter touch will help in the subtlety you're able to achieve quite a lot.
It's a 4 year old clip, you get what you get. Try holding your phone upside down if it's a problem but at the time it was the only place I could mount the camera that you could see what was happening clearly.
I said, use a pen to keep from erasing things and correcting because that's not the point of the exercise and I saw students doing that all the time in my classes, which this was done for. Then I used a pencil because I'm not tempted to fix my mistakes here as I demo the exercise
I don't usually comment on videos but I'd like to mention that you are not the originator of these lessons and that you should have given credit to the originator. This lesson is from Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching Course.
Hi +Jasmine Redd I'm aware of Peter's work, but i strongly doubt he wholly conceived of these lessons before anyone else. When I was putting together the course i found a number of teachers using similar ideas or even the same ones. Peter's came up early, due to the fact his course is very similarly named. Dynamic Drawing, my course's name, came from a conversation I had with the administrator at the school I work at, and wondering if there were others using the same name, and thinking about what ideas would make sense to present under that heading, I googled it. Very near the top of the list of hits was Peter's course. His "pardon my dust" clip did help me think about what sorts of ideas to include in the course, but there's nothing in there I wasn't already aware of either. I didn't learn of them from him, I just saw it and thought, oh yeah, that's a classic, good fundamental exercise to include in my course. I really dig what he does, we probably had teachers with the same kinds of backgrounds I'd bet. And indeed on the site I keep i've got one page dedicated to spotlighting Peter's work, specifically the way he uses chalkboards in doing these kinds of exercises. I recommend it along with other teachers work, generally I encourage my students to seek out a lot of different ideas and mentors. I didn't think to credit him in the clip due to my own history with things like, but i've added some meta text and links to this clip now.
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Can we all appreciate the fact that this video made 7 years ago... And not complain about camera angle..
I'm considering not complaining. I realize 2014 was the proazoic age and those early digital earners were seen as advanced iF they didn't draw on dried mud with scavenged charcoal briquettes.
this stuff really does help people do it! i do have 2 comments tho.. 1. for the straight lines bit try not to press down too hard cause you dont want to create a little "channel" in the paper thats going to aide in keeping your stroke straight. 2. keep in mind that you arent just learning how to draw but learning how YOU draw.. listen to your body find the range of motions that come easy and find how you can use it to your advantage... if you need to rotate the paper a certain way to get the best line in a given angle go for it.. be loose and comfortable
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thnx it helped alot
@@marcusrodrigues516 good advice
I had issues with pen control when it came to using newer pens rather than ergonomic ballpoint ones. But once I discovered this exercise video, it really made a huge difference. Been practicing all night during Nine PM while following this video, thus obtaining amazing results. Thank you so very, very much for this!!!!!😆
Your voice is really really really soothing.
This is so great to help improve muscle memory and improve ones control of their drawing instrument. Even though some people don't actually use these methods for drawing it's kinda like gym for your drawing hand😜 the more you practice the abstract stuff the easier it gets to put shapes together to make your art what you want it to be. Thanks for this video. I appreciate the concept!👍👍👍👍👌
You're welcome! I didn't really invent it myself, just passing on things i was taught over the years that i find work :)
Good luck!
This is a very good exercise and really helps me a lot with my sketching. Beautiful hand by the way.
Ahhh his voice is so gentle. I could fall asleep to it.
This vid is 8 years old but I NEEDED IT THANK YOU SO MUCH! Love your channel BTW
Thank you. Its extremely usefull to see the mechanics of your arm.
I appreciate this video made 10 years ago
did anyone mentioned before how soothing your voice is ? :)
Thank you! This is the foundation. Its hard to find foundational things.
Amazingly I actually know all these exercises. did them everyday. it was... tedious but necessary. I enjoy learning new ways to draw. the last one is the one that interests me. how you shade them. I did something similar but on separate exercises.
i dont know why but the angle makes me dizzy haha
3 point perspective..ish
Nope. there are no vanishing points in this shot at all.
Same
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It’s because the camera is looking down from above top so kinda upside down, an unnatural position.
I have this one exercise i definitely prefer to do over this which it you make a dot and draw a bunch of lines from that vocal point and then you make circles using the lines guide lines
Thx for the help man! I’m gonna try out your methods
good luck, it's not really my method so much as a set of classic drafting exercises i was taught myself! :)
hey Sam, I'd suggest trying doing your circles clockwise. I recently tried it and for some reason, they ended up better than what came naturally haha.
This is very helpful. Thank you for making this video.
Very nice tips and excercises ....Thanks alot bro...keep it up....
Great exercises!
I like your exercises here, my problem is that I am left handed & need to adapt to each one individually. I have only found 2 left handed 'Tube' instructors so far, but they haven't done videos on exercises.
Well, I guess it's practice, practice until I get it better. Thank you for you video.
THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED OMG THANKSSS
These exercises are all that you need to practice everyday to get better and better in sketching. Thank you.
Oh, well i wouldn't say they are ALL you need, but they are helpful for sure! You're welcome!
Oopsy, yeap maybe. I just got too carried away by these exercises as they are the only one's which I practice everyday and my sketches turn out to be really good.
Thanks I'll practice more
Nice video. Repetitive learning is definitely a way to put in the practice time. But, your camera angle is just disturbing lol
The angle of the camera is slightly freaky at first but actually seems to help with clarity. What are your thoughts on using toned paper? Any advice on how it differs? A great video! : )
+Baraku L Toned paper is great, i don't use it a lot but still nice to work with and a good study medium.
it differs in the fact it's toned? you work from the middle rather than from the highlights down to black, or in the case of black paper, from that to the lights? Changing the patterns up a but helps to be more aware of them, and thus learn more.
Thanks for the prompt reply : ) Have been thinking about trying out toned paper, I have always liked the visual effect it has on drawings.
Thank you Mr. Sam.
I'm left handed and find it easier if I do the opposite of what you do. If you start to draw from the top left of the page, I start from the top right.
Yep, i don't recall if I did in the clip but I suggest this for lefties in my class often.
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I always start from the right and im lefty :3
Thank you
I know this is 3 yrs but glad I'm not the only one who's using a left hand I know its obvious that others use left handed, but in drawing I was shooked
Hey , i found your channel today , thx for this ! Cheers mono
Really cool video!
I liked the video but I think when using pencils to draw, holding the pencil about two inches down from the tip seems to work best. It allows your wrist and fingers to engage while drawing which helps people stay loose and to make larger shapes. When drawing smaller/more precise objects, then slide closer to the tip but not before.
As it would happen +Stephen Wisniewski I agree completely. Indeed, I teach a variety of grips for similar reasons. A closer tripod gives you tighter control of fine detail-hence why it's been the go to for writing for ages. But once you want to open up a bit yes, more room gives you greater range of movement.
I have a later clip about grip, here!
th-cam.com/video/QYNaXrhCbls/w-d-xo.html
+Salgood Sam I didn't see that video! Good stuff!
+Salgood Sam so which to start? Pen or Pencil?
FZD uses pen.
Much Obliged Sir for the insight,,
thank you for this brother!
I've continuously the feeling to fall over the paper, with this camera angle,eh eh..Thanks for the tutorial, in any case.
Thanks for your WiLDly OriGiNal comment....everyone has to have their 2 cents.
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I can do these exercises pretty well by now. Unfortunately it hasn't much influence on my drawing.
They mainly give you more control, so it will have a huge influence on your drawing. BUT they are only one component of study, you still need to do a lot of observational drawing and all the rest.
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Tip: watch the video upside down.
I posted some that way back when I used that stand and people complain about that too! lol. Better camera mount now but you can never make everyone happy when they are getting a free demo.
Salgood Sam You can’t always make everyone happy! So try to do what you think seems right.
I got so made that I couldn't draw a straight line I put a big "fuck!" on the page. I'm gonna keep going, but keep in mind I'm using a shitty pen and not a spiral flat sketchbook, so maybe that's why I keep fucking up. IT'S SO FUCKING DIFFICULT DAMN IT!!!
When I'm practacing (And especially now) all I use is cheap 'crappy' stuff, just makes me work a little harder for desired effects. Just keep practicing!! You'll get there :)
how are your straight lines now?
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I ended up turning my abstract drawing into a little cartoon dinosaur thingy lol
arent these as they are in Peter Hans course
did you guys go to school together by any chance? Art Center LA
No he's a decade or so younger than me, and I'm from Toronto. I recognized the stuff he teaches for sure, a lot of this is old drafting teachings and things I picked up learning to draw from animators and a variety of artists I grew up around. I definitely recommend his instructional stuff, some of the advice he gives in his earlier clips I find a little 'you just do it' at times, but over all very solid.
@@Salgood very helpful. Anything you’d advice a young artist stuck in the “practicing phase” I’ve understood a lot of concepts but would like to know if there’s a way I can track my progress so I know if I’m on the right track probably.
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Do we have to lock our wrist all the time with all the shapes mentioned? I notice that when you are drawing the first row for small circles, your wrist can also move.
I don't think you ever really want to fully lock it, you don't want to tense up so locking it is often bad for that. I use my wrist a little for both larger movements where most of the action is in the elbow and shoulder, but also it comes into play a little for things where most of the action is in the fingers.
i've seen this in peter han's class
Alex yep, there's a few things that overlap, that's partly because it's old drafting and calligraphy practices and really just a great way to increase hand eye control fast. But I've seen his clips too, he's great! When the name for the course I teach was suggested by the director of my school, I googled it and his stuff came up right away, I assumed the boss had it in mind when he suggested the course title so I made sure to include pattern form and line control excersises in the course I teach too. that's why the clips, these were made for my students first and foremost to use, though your free to as well!
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wtf is this camera angel
It must have fell from heaven
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Downward spiral staircase angle.
Thank you for this super helpful.
should have done this before, thanks anyways great help ^_^
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Thank you
thanks for the help. for the circles, are you drawing them with your wrist or shoulder?
I think I mentioned in the clip but that depends enterally on the size.
@@Salgood ah yeah you did my bad, sorry! that's helpful though thanks. while a lot of drawing courses teach beginners to draw from their shoulder, i would still like to train my precision with my wrist, that isn't too great at times when drawing small shapes
I’m sorry to say but this goes against all drawing lessons I’ve ever seen (from reputable teachers) starting from the way of holding the pen, to resting your elbow. First thing they teach you is to hold the pen with the overhand grip and draw from your shoulder, with the hole arm, moving freely and only changing to the tripod grip for closer smaller details. The idea of drawing repeatedly either lines or shapes is correct though, (practice makes improvement) but needs to be done with the hole arm, at the right distance and angle towards the paper (perpendicular to you) otherwise, the way it’s shown here, you’ll maybe get good for calligraphy and small drawings, but what if you want to do bigger drawings? (You’ll need really long arms from the elbow to hand! 😉)
So first of all, I'm a reputable teacher as well, btw. Second over hand is for more upright easile work drawing life at, it's less practical at a drafting table.
Different techniques, for different situations.
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Question: Do you have your pencils taped together to use them up better, or is there another reason? Is it just tape or another procedure sticking them together? Thanks!
yes +Annie Brewer, the first thing!
i take the eraser and mettle holder off one, and the eraser out of the other [the erasers that come with them aren't that good anyway] and then fit them together with the mettle holder left behind on the one so I can keep using them when they are stubby. Also mixing the colors makes it east to do two tone work.
+Salgood Sam Thank you!
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Really want to watch it but I'm getting some motion sickness because of the angle of the camera 😭
thanks super useful
I thought it's better to hold the pencil farther back for long lines?
I find where you hold it has an impact on how tight the forms are, and some of the grips I use are better for line control than others, but how far back I hold it, for straight long lines? Never found that makes a bit difrence, if anything if I hold it too far back it can less precise for straight lines.
I have a whole post and video about this stuff, I use what i called in this post an "extended tripod" more for gestural drawing than for controlled drafting. But if you mean like an "artists tripod", yeah sure? Though I don't find a standard tripod grip to be an issue for line control at all either. Check out the link for what all those look like.
dd.salgoodsam.com/grip/
Just a thought for future videos you might want to use black paper if you're going to use a light colors pencil. This was very difficult to see due to low contrast...
Nope, have you drawn on black paper with this kind of coloured pencil? It doesn't show at all. It would be far worse.
The lines are easy to see on my screens, you might need to adjust your monitor.
So do hairy lines/sketching/line petting have no use? Or is it still fine as a base with which to put your committed lines?
You want to draw a hairy arm, they can be useful! Otherwise not much, just make extra work later.
Don't think of it as 'committed' lines, just clean and clear. Go light, not hairy, if you're still figuring it out.
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+colorpaper princess (colorpaperprincess) thanks! I'm going to be posting some new ones soon hopefully!
When you draw the third line, the long one, and you talk about anchoring the elbow - this is what people refer to as "drawing with the shoulder"? Because you are rotating from the shoulder yes? Some people talk about drawing from the "Arm", this is the same thing too? Thanks
sort of, though it's NOT drawing in that case with the shoulder, it's using the elbow. there are other situations where the shoulder is better for related reasons.
+Salgood Sam I get confused when the terminology of Elbow, Shoulder and Arm are used. I dont know anything about anatomy but i feel there is more than one way to move the shoulder - this blurs the distinction between it and the elbow. Do you have any videos or can you link me any resources that would make this clearer? Thanks
that last one hurt my brain. I don't think I'm at 3D shapes yet.
Is smudging your hand along the paper cheating in order to keep the lines straight? My lines are pretty straight when I do when I dont my lines curve a bit more.
Smudging?
To save paper, is it fine to use old notebooks with grids?
Paper is pretty cheap, but if you want to sure.
W r u from
you say hold the pen or pencil at 90 degree angle yet in the demo it appears to be in a 60-75 degree angle. Why is that?
Well first I don't recall where I said that in this clip, it's been over 6 years. What's the time stamp?
But i talk in the clip about the impact of various angles on the line, I don't say ONLY hold it at 90 degrees. And you might be also thrown by the camera angle. there are times where I definitely do hold it at 90 degrees from the plain of the paper, but the cam is not, it's closer to 75.
@@Salgood thanks for the reply the time stamp is at 1:00 to 1:18. Looking at it again you said to keep the pencil vertical which I mistook for a 90 degree angle. This makes it much clearer thank you
I don't understand what practising this will do for me. When I don't know how to draw. I just can't see what practising this contributes. And what in return makes easier to learn? Pleas, elaborate a bit.
+Utrilus Drawing is like handwriting, in that a great deal of it is about consistent, repeatable, control of your tools.
Being able to make the mark you want, when you want, where you want.
Learning to do that is twice as hard if you only ever do things like, drawing figures from life. That's good to do of course, but it's just ONE exercise.
When doing life studies, you're also trying to learn how to see, interpret, and render anatomy. being attentive to line control, repetition, how the tool works, is hard to manage at the same time. You can get some in that way, but mostly you're thinking about proportions anatomy, lighting and drapery maybe?
Pattern and control exercises like this free you from thinking about getting the subject-a person, a car, a dog, etc-"right", and let you JUST focus on how to make a specific kind of mark, reliably. How to draw, a pattern, a line, shade forms.
A good drawing, is made up of a collection of skills being applied. These exercises help isolate the training of some of those skills.
That help?
+Salgood Sam Yes, a bit. Now it starts to fit into the whole.
Analog movement, easy to practice.
So not studying this will just get in the way of drawing. Or cause unnecessary confusion. Or if not confusion its just wasteful divide of focus between the subject and the drawing. Because its easy to practice.
You mentioned handwriting. How does that connect? Hmm... In handwriting I practice letters~ So the patters are the equivalents to individual letters.
+Utrilus exactly yes, you got it!
Salgood Sam I've been doing a lot of line practice, like 80% of all my drawing. Sure I'm getting incrementally better at doing it, and am starting to find beginnings of small rhythms but my progress is so very slow. Yeah it feels like I did great work and it was fun to do it.
Is there something like too much practice.
Have you had students who just go ham on practising lines and pretty much forget to do anything else~ What do you tell them?
+Utrilus I'm not totally sure what going 'ham' on practice is, but for sure don't just practice one thing. I teach "dynamic drawing", you don't get anything dynamic if you just develop one thing. Dynamic comes from range, flexibility. Diversity.
I dont know why these practices are so difficult for me. Been trying this for months.. I just dont know why my arm, brain and eye cant seem to work together
+Tony D. i never know when to use my arm..my wrist..my elbow..
"+Tony D. i never know when to use my arm..my wrist..my elbow.."
+Tony D. So that part is easy for me to answer. It's all down to the size of the form you're drawing, for these practices anyway. If you only use your fingers for example, to draw a circle, the circle can only be as large as they are able to reach. To get bigger, first the wrist will give you a bit more range. To get larger still, the elbow.
Same for a line. A short one, like 3 to 4 inches, I can do with just the range of movement available to my fingers without moving my arm. i can do a bit better than 6 inches with my wrist and fingers working together. and over a foot if i use mostly my elbow.
If that long line needs to be straight, you have to use you hand and wrist to compensate for the natural arch created by swinging your arm from the wrist.
make sense?
"I dont know why these practices are so difficult for me. Been trying this for months.. I just dont know why my arm, brain and eye cant seem to work together"
+Tony D. unfortunately without seeing you do the work, I can't really say what your problem is. Sorry! Could be a lot of simple technical things, but I'd have to at least see your results, and ideally you doing them to be able to say.
It's best to watch upside down
I'm probably the only one not bothered by the angle. I was too focused on the subject and how flawless the lines were...😔
I'm no expert, but the camera should definitely be at the angle you're looking down at the paper on, behind you.
Sarah Talaid lol, sure, you going to buy me expensive rigging for that? you can see what I'm doing this way a lot better, if it was behind me, my hand would be in the way. and it's where I can mount my cam.
actually 90 degree angle to the paper.
You want me to quickly stroke it? Ok but I really only came here for the art lesson....
How’s maturity working out for you now that 2 years have passed? Are you out of public school yet?
Camera angle??????
Shot 6 years ago with what I had in terms of mounting it and you get it for free?
Anyone know what kind of pen he used?
Pilot DR pigment pen, and Col-erase pencils.
www.jetpens.com/Pilot-Drawing-Pens-Water-Based-Ink/ct/1939
Salgood Sam Thanks for the reply.
@@jerrywebster7678 No problem. Lots of good Pigment Pens out there, i'm planning to do an actual tool vid soon. But those were my first, my mother is an artist and i started using hers as a kid! Still love them.
Salgood Sam How wonderful. I think I would have loved growing up with an artist parent. Thanks for the tips in the video. I’m literally just trying to get started with drawing, and this should improve eye hand coordination. Should you do these every day for about 15 minutes or something?
I’ll be looking out for more tips. Thanks and thank your mom😉
darker color colored pencil would help see what your doing
you can see it fine, and the light colour is used with intention when it is, so you can also see the darker work I do over them clearly. Also this is a 6 year old clip, not like I can go back and change it after it was posted and 2.3k views later you're the first to mention this so not really a problem people were having.
Sounds a lot like Bob Ross
So calming and soothing
Happy little strokes.
My hand keeps shaking whenever i draw :3
Very poor camera angle
yes let me go jump in my time machine and see if i can do something about that.
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I am a beginner at all things drawing. i followed along as best i could and i have to tell you.. my hand hurts LOL but i can see how doing this kind of exercise every day would strengthen your hand and you would get better and better control as you go. thank you for the video its very helpful.
Charlie Mattox, glad to help, fyi make sure not to grip your tools very hard, look up the clip I posted on grips for details but while drawing a lot may make your hand tired, a little sore at times, it should not hurt badly, that's typically a sign your holding it too tightly!
It will strengthen your hand to draw regularly, but drawing doesn't require strength really, and a lighter touch will help in the subtlety you're able to achieve quite a lot.
Please adjust camera angle
Please note the clip is 8 years old
theres got to be a better angle Oof
It's a 4 year old clip, you get what you get. Try holding your phone upside down if it's a problem but at the time it was the only place I could mount the camera that you could see what was happening clearly.
He says to use a pen while holding a pencil then starts drawing with a pencil. Huh?
I said, use a pen to keep from erasing things and correcting because that's not the point of the exercise and I saw students doing that all the time in my classes, which this was done for. Then I used a pencil because I'm not tempted to fix my mistakes here as I demo the exercise
I don't usually comment on videos but I'd like to mention that you are not the originator of these lessons and that you should have given credit to the originator. This lesson is from Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching Course.
Hi +Jasmine Redd I'm aware of Peter's work, but i strongly doubt he wholly conceived of these lessons before anyone else.
When I was putting together the course i found a number of teachers using similar ideas or even the same ones. Peter's came up early, due to the fact his course is very similarly named. Dynamic Drawing, my course's name, came from a conversation I had with the administrator at the school I work at, and wondering if there were others using the same name, and thinking about what ideas would make sense to present under that heading, I googled it.
Very near the top of the list of hits was Peter's course. His "pardon my dust" clip did help me think about what sorts of ideas to include in the course, but there's nothing in there I wasn't already aware of either. I didn't learn of them from him, I just saw it and thought, oh yeah, that's a classic, good fundamental exercise to include in my course.
I really dig what he does, we probably had teachers with the same kinds of backgrounds I'd bet. And indeed on the site I keep i've got one page dedicated to spotlighting Peter's work, specifically the way he uses chalkboards in doing these kinds of exercises. I recommend it along with other teachers work, generally I encourage my students to seek out a lot of different ideas and mentors.
I didn't think to credit him in the clip due to my own history with things like, but i've added some meta text and links to this clip now.
very helpful thankyou