I would politely disagree with you. Lennon solo work and or with the Beatles is still very popular with the young generation, now more than ever, the Get Back documentary proved that, even The so called Beatles last song made by Lennon ( Now and Then ) was a great hit in 2023, even though it was written over 45 years ago, it still had a catchy tune, and a beautiful message
You smoking too much man. Lay off it a bit with that nonsense
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Grow up ffs. Dunning Kruger effect. Why do people have to be so arrogant and think they know everything when they know nothing. It's always the fools that are the loudest and most confident in proclaiming their idiocy. The wise man understands he knows very little and is always learning and only speaks on what he knows based on facts and evidence. Internet is full of the opposite types. Idiots who don't know the different between their opinions and fact. Why don't you check whether something is true or not before talking bs. Black arrogance is now at an all time peak, as is it opposite, but as with all of humanity, the smart people are always the minority. All the many smart, intelligent, successful black people I follow online are disgusted about what the dumb side are doing. The Hodge twins frequently show clips of black people that think only their ethnocentric, racist worldview is true and they get a free passgfk going around being ridiculously racist. The Beatles are loved and adored the world over, but people of all colours. Plenty of black reactors who have taken the journey of discovery about the Beatles and why they were the greatest band of all time cried when the Beatles released their last song recently, because the Beatles came from a higher place of love, like the Wailers, and touched millions upon millions. It's genuinely scary the detachment from reality people have today. They simply believe the tiny bit of knowledge they have about the world is all there is to know, and that their opinion is fact.
GTFOH with that BS! You're a dipshlt to believe Lennon's music is irrelevant today. Stop while you're ahead cuz you're only embarrassing yourself by saying some silly shlt like that. "Get Your Mind Right!" 🤨😵💫 Seriously, WTF-OVER.
@@leonardocarretero1054 personally I've always thought most of lennons solo work was sh*te, and I'm a beatles fan especially of the later stuff Rubber soul onwards.
As someone who has grown up with John Lennon as a songwriting hero, and later Bob Marley I can objectively say i appreciate Bobs lyrical ability's in his careers more than Lennon, and thats hard for me to even say. Lennon lost touch a little, but Marley always remembered his roots
Bob Marley never lost "it." His style evolved over the years and, in my opinion, got better with each successive album. The same could be said of the Beatles whose style evolved in much the same way.🎸🎶🇯🇲
John Lennon was sour because the Beatles broke up, he had a solo career but his popularity was waning and other people like Bob Marley were on the rise.
All I can say is...I love Bobs music. Some people will kill me but I never understood the Beatles hype. I never liked the Beatles - SORRY!! From rumours I heard John even had issues with Elvis!
I thought you covered this brilliantly. An added layer to this Marley-Lennon dynamic, of course, was that the Wailers were sometimes called “Jamaica’s Beatles,” and as you touch on, all three of the original Wailers were big fans of the Beatles. It’s hardly a surprise that the likes of Lennon and Harrison would also come to appreciate Marley and other Jamaican artists. (To my knowledge, “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” was partly inspired by Paul’s friendship with Desmond Dekker.) You also touched something that I can attest to: My best friend (and a former band mate of mine) is an absolute “Wailers purist” who believes that the original three were pure gold and that their output from 1969-73 is unrivaled. He even argues that their material with Lee “Scratch” Perry was the cream of the crop, but he concedes that, as far as studio albums go, “Catch a Fire” is his favorite. (Bunny is also his favorite of the original trio.) My favorite is “Exodus,” which he enjoys, but for him, nothing else comes close to the earlier stuff. John Lennon, perhaps a bit like Peter Tosh, was eccentric and thoughtful. He was definitely a musician’s musician, in a sense. He could, however, be unyielding, and sometimes very scathing and black-and-white in his critiques, as you mentioned, and he didn’t always elaborate on what he meant, often being prepared to let his initial - and sometimes puzzling - statements speak for themselves. As a result, statements like this one seem to contain both admiration and snobbery. (As an aside, Eric Clapton wrote that he had noticed John’s enigmatic behavior, his odd communication style, and his sheer talent as a musician and songwriter when they collaborated together in around 1969-70 with the Plastic Ono Band. Clapton thought that Peter Tosh, too, was equally as brilliant and, sometimes, just as hard to read - an impression he got when the two of them had worked together in 1974-75 on one of Clapton’s albums. He deeply admired Peter and his raw talent, though, just as he did with John.) All of this considered, if I’m being charitable in my interpretation, I think John Lennon’s sentiments here are less an intended act of disrespect towards Bob Marley per se and more an expression of “Wailers purism” than anything else. It would have been helpful, in my opinion, if Lennon had explained his views on what the “it” was that had been captured by Bob and the other Wailers during the “Catch a Fire/Burnin’” era. One of your best episodes yet!
didnt listen to the whole video, but Lennon was a bit of a character, he did the same with Maccartney. And in the end, he was only a little bit jealous of Paul's success. Individuation comes with it's consequences and he left off being a rockstar to being a dad, and then became a critic of the music that was around, and Jhon isnt a Guru of music, he himself didnt live up to the expectations of what his lyrics said, and neither did Bob... The only thing i can say about them both is that they are great Artists, that knew or succeded on how to express certain feelings into a tune and a beat.
@@An-dre6109as a musician I can no longer look at the Beatles through rose-colored glasses... Lenon was a dick dude through and through... When I was a kid we were led to believe that McCartney was the aggressor... And it all stems from A fistful of songs that McCartney wrote that Lennon could have never ever ever ever ever ever written... Hey jude, let it be, jhon was officially outclassed... And wasn't gracious about it at all
I’d take any opinion of Lennon’s with a pinch of salt. He was renowned for talking off the top of his head which on one hand gave him a charming sense of honesty but on the other gave it a conversationalist air that allowed for off the cuff remarks that contradict each other.
Yes. He was a weathercock. More about being contrarian to keep discussion and thought active. I say John lost it when he got with Yoko who became his manipulative Oidipus mother.
I love John's music but the thing to remember about John is he lashed out if he felt threatened or insecure. He'd criticise if he felt out loved by public. I doubt John really felt that way. Probably jealous. He criticised others such as Bowie, Elton John and of course Paul McCartney in a similar way. I love Bob and John. Once in the mainstream, I don't think Bob released One cover version, everything was original. A phenomenal amount of originals. in the late 70s, John was the washed up one. I think it's awful that they both died when they both still had so much to offer the music world. Bob would have gotten better and bigger in the 80's. Absolutely love the channel by the way. Thanks for all your content. I find Bob such an enigmatic person and love your stories and thoughts on his life and music. Was listening to the confrontation Album today. Absolutely love it. Give Thanks and Praises... for BOB!
Confrontation is a slept on album criminally underrated and overlooked it’s the unsung album 💿 by f hai career. Can you please do a reaction and/or review in the making and creation of that posthumous album 💿 thanks?!?!?!
Wow! You Sir, are a commanding and knowledgeable figure on Reggae in my opinion. This was a fantastic post on Reggae, Bob Marley & John Lennon. Thanks for the insights and please continue to share your wonderful knowledge of Reggae music. Jah Bless & One Love.
I can truthfully say that I enjoy ALL of Marley’s output to this day, while Lennon gets virtually no play time in my home or headphones. In my humble opinion, Marley’s music is universal & timeless no matter where along his catalog’s timeline you happen to tap into. Great video, both in terms of subject & commentary!
well, in Mexico Bob is very popular but the beatles are constantly played on the radio. They even do festivals in different states and sports events dedicated to their legacy.
@@fgoindarkg thank you for saying that, he became a Christian on his death bed and told his wife not to tell his fans. This tells you about love for others or just self interest?
Great video. Marley and Lennon are two musical heroes, and Lennon was known to be a sharp critic and later regretted things he'd said. I think he maybe thought Bob's music was getting too "commercialized" and looked past its genius. And I'm sure those criticisms came out of his deep love for Bob's earlier music. That being said, John was wrong and I'm sure he would have took that statement back as he did many other statements. I see a lot of under appreciation for Lennon's music on this thread and have to point out that Mind Games is amazing and Lennon was a social hero. Nothing needs to be said for Bob! I bet the two of them must have had a beautiful bond on that night in 79. Cheers!
There is a book by a guy called Frederic Seaman who was Lennon's personal assistant in the last months of his life. In the book that he wrote - I read it 30 years ago - he essentially says that Lennon idolised Bob Marley. From memory, Marley gets mentioned a fair amount and in very, very glowing terms.
Wow, amazing to think that Bob Marley and John Lennon two icons was once in the same room sharing a spliff together, talking about life.. Two great Legends of music and their respective fields of music, that both sang about peace, love and equal rights, sadly they both passed away not long after, and within months of each other..
A lot of people don't understand how much influence Bob had over the music industry during that time. A lot of the mega stars were in Ah over his music and aura, you had Marvin Gaye, Rick James and Michael Jackson to name a few. They were all fans of his music!
There is a marked difference between the Lee Perry era Bob Marley and the Chris Blackwell era Bob Marley for sure. Lennon was outspoken and gave everything a broad stroke but pointing out he preferred early Tuff Gong wasn't a fan of the extra on top. There's only 6 months between John and Bob's departure, always chilled me that.
Agreed. The only Lennon albums that had any bite were POB and walls and Bridges (my fav). Double fantasy had some great cleverly crafted songs, but zero bite. Yokos were more cutting edge on it than his.
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I agree that the earlier recordings are more "real". Also, I prefer the original Wailers harmonies with Peter Tosh and Bunny Wailer to the later I Threes. But those songs are great too in their own way!
I’m not sure how anyone could argue with that.. people can be awfully triggered these days and simple critique is often labelled as “hate”. I can’t think of any artist that hasn’t in some way “lost it” as their fame, wealth and adoration from fans increases, Lennon included.
Thank you again for such excellent content. Perhaps it’s best to say “I prefer” a certain period of an artist’s music, rather than to make statements such as Lennon’s. Who was he, who is anyone, to pontificate in such a way that demeans an individual’s artistry? Hierarchical thinking is a human trait that fuels racism, capitalism, and cruelty. Love to all!
Lennon was known for sticking his foot in his mouth every now and again and getting shot and getting cancer are setbacks that would mess anybody up, even Bob Marley. Both men died too soon, sadly, to see how "Get Up Stand Up" grew in popularity in the eighties. Ten years later and Lennon would likely have been apologizing for any harsh feelings caused by his remarks.
Lennon was an A hole! No way his inflated ego would allow him to say sorry to anyone! He was an A hole from the moment he hit the spotlight till the moment he lost his life!
My uncle gave me Uprising in 1981 when I was 12. I think i had it on repeat for about 4 years. I rarely bought records as I had no money so that was one of the few I owned. Never got bored of it.
Maybe John didn't like the more modern R&B influence of the late 70's in Bob's music. Plus by 1979 Bob was becoming more mainstream here in the states, maybe John thought Bob was watering down.
In the 1970's some Jamaicans thought Marley sold out when he changed his music for a global audience, but came to appreciate it, especially after he passed. An example "No Woman No Cry." His earlier lyrics he sang "No woman Nuh Cry" which translates from patois No Woman Don't Cry.
@@culturedat... Survival wasn't commercial. It was HARD HITTING!! Nuff people cuss Bob saying the prior album (Exodus) was too 'white'. Check every chune pon 'Survival'. It was an anti-colonial project.
@@taopaille-paille4992 you really know nothing??? He was speaking more militant but he wasn't putting any names on it. Just us and them so if a white man listened who's us and them to him??
How great it would be if people, including famous artists, could give their opinion without having to face a horde of angry fanboys. I love Marley, but there are a lot of people here belittling Lennon and the Beatles and they just have to be kidding me.
I agree with you. And Bernie Taupin’s actual quote was that “Bob and his entourage were in awe of Lennon” when they met Lennon. It wasn’t Lennon and Bernie who were in awe of Bob, but it was obvious to Bernie that Bob was The Man. Though broken up, the Beatles were the apex of popular music, and meeting John Lennon would have been an incredible treat for any artist who came after the Beatles.
The Beatles were very, average musicians whose entire career was fabricated by the Tavistock Institute as a PsyOp. In fact, each member of the Beatles were swapped out by lookalikes like a car assembly line thru their entire career, not just Paul. Ringo could barely play the drums as Quincy Jones has confirmed. They do not even desearve to be mentioned in the same category with genuine great muscisians like the Wailers. The truth will always hurt the feelings of fannatics. That is why Little Richard did not even want a piece of the ownership of their music when he had an opportunity in the beginning (they were poor version of a Little Richard cover band when they started), so don't let the hysteria around their supposed fabricated, talent which was manufactured cloud the truth about their importance to music.
Lennon worshipped Elvis but also later said Elvis "died" in the army, ie stopped making good music after that. There are artists I admire such as Lou Reed and Frank Zappa that have said quite negative things about The Beatles and it doesn't bother me at all in spite of the fact I'm a Beatle fanatic, in fact I understand it coming from their perspective even though I completely disagree with them. I think it's much more interesting when artists give their true opinions even if they might be negative. I don't think we should treat our favorite artists like they're our children, better to step back and have more objectivity.
Fela Kuti also criticized Bob Marley. He criticized Marley for never naming the oppressors he attacked in his songs. But Marley sang "I don't come to fight flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high and low places". When you name evil men in your songs, you will make them eternal. Your songs will feed and maintain the memory of these people through space and time. They don't deserve it.
That was very good. I didn't think Lennon's comment was that critical or shocking. He was just brutally opinionated. Maybe sometimes wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even rock stars. Endless adoration is a bore and a drag anyway. I love the courage and creativity of both of them. RIP, John and Bob. ❤❤
Off topic but I have another request. Please if you have not do a vlog on the impact reggae and ska has or had on rock groups such as The Police, 10cc ( Reggae Holiday) , No Doubt , Steely Dan ( Haitian Divorce) and other groups. Great channel and continued success upward! 🎉🎉
Excellent video. The remark, although seems rather critical if you listen to the tone, it’s actually praiseful. Did the sound change to being less pure, true. This does not take away from the power of the message of the ultimate musician / profit of our time Robert Nesta Marley. My favorite Bob Marley song is Bus Dem Shut. amazing.
Lennon was no match to Marley. Marley was a planet and Lennon was a tiny grain of sand. It would take years to listen to a single Lennon’s song whereas Marley’s music is a universal language and resonates with the entire humanity
Lennon had been a fan of Reggie music since the late 60’s, and he even saw Marley live in Concert in 74-ish… When recording his Mind Games album in 73 he had to teach the studio band how to play Reggie as it was not quite a big hit in the states yet. He was probably a fan of the early 70’s music, then went off in the late 70’s…. As it was apparently a trip to Bermuda in 1980’s and a night out at a local underground club that reinvigorated his passion for Reggie. I would take Lennons comments with a pinch of salt and that he was just being brutally honest as a fan with what he likes (George Harrison said they can not stand any of Elton Johns post 1972 stuff, yet love his stuff before that)
I get what Lennon was saying, he liked “real reggae” and not what Blackwell influenced over the Wailers, but they could have told Chris “thanks for the advice but pass (the spliff)”. Wailers shows in Hollywood were instantly packed with big name musicians.
@@thmdrt_XXII the one whose family supports a genocidal ethnostate to this day, while Tosh was singing "Palestine is fighting for equal rights and Justice" while wearing a Kuffiyeh on stage in 1977. The one who did not Get Up, Stand Up to the establishment in any meaningful way, while raking in cash for a song that wasn't really his. The Wailers was a trio of Peter, Bunny and Bob. One of these had such an ego he put his name in front of the band name, without the other two in the band, at the behest of a White dude named Chris Blackwell (whose mother is Blanche Blackwell, a muse to MI6 asset Ian Fleming, among other items of note), who screwed the other two over, while buttering the ego of the original group's resident narcissist. Look at Tosh's output, Legalize It, Equal Rights, Mama Africa, No Nuclear War... I wonder why a record label owner connected to British Intelligence, would refuse to put out his solo work while promoting Marley's? Tosh also wrote 400 years, Stop That Train, and No Sympathy, amongst others, and was lead guitarist, keyboardist, and vocalist of the Wailers until 1974. He's what Lennon could hear Marley lost.
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@@johnkayoss5422 ''genocidal ethnostate''. God you people are sick. You can't win with rational, objective, logical argument (because you have none), and so you create all these disgusting totalitarian propaganda words. You're Marxists. Look at the devestation og Marxist states and the 100's of millions killed for no other reason the opposing those in power politically. You don't know the actually history. And you don't care. You think in the most infantile way that Israel are the stronger force, therefore the underdog must be right. I spoke to my dad on the morrning of the 8th. I don't care about one side or the other, supporting one blindly like a football team. I saw images of you girls getting taken away in trucks as savage animals spat on them and chanted ''Allahu Ackbar'' and thousands of innocents slaughters. I couldn't even get the worlds out about how terrible it was before my dad said they were freedom fighters. He has the same mental illness and emotional incontinence, the same narcissism as anyone on the Left. Who even admit that it was atrocity waged on innocent people. The are probably 50+ Muslim states. When just one was proposed, the Islamic world, who hate Jews and are have been taught non-Muslims are filthy, attacked from the outset. Jordan. Egypt. Others. Each time Israel won. France and UK won the territory fighting the Ottaman Empire in WW1, who controlled it before. And partitioned. But no. Israel is not allowed to have anything. It's not even allowed to avenge 7th Oct, and wipe out a genuinely religiously-inspired genocide in the true sense of the world. I'd love to see ever disgusting, brainwashed cretin calling their war on people still holding their hostaged a genocide poked in the eye every time that mention that grotesque, fabricated weasal word.
@@johnkayoss5422 you keep harping on about get up stand up ye a good song written by Peter tosh but how many great songs did Bob write? A endless amount he wrote most of the songs for the early wailers FACT.. and wrote many a great song later and didn't Peter try and chase the money when he signed with the rolling stones? Playing at there gigs in front of large white crowds, don't tel me Peter wasn't after a mainstream audience to boost his popularity and album sales and bob always pushed the message even if you didn't agree, stop playing Peter off against bob, both incredible artists in my opinion but I can see how the great bob marley had more of a mass appeal.
John Lennon was the same with his rock 'n' roll - his first love was always early rock 'n' roll - he always thought the 'real' rock 'n' roll was the early stuff... Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Elvis, Buddy Holly etc. He loved the early rock 'n' roll recordings and tried to capture the sound many times in his career. His love for the early reggae recordings make sense in this light. When he said 'clever' he meant in the studio. As a studio recording artist the simplicity & honesty of early recordings attracted him.
At that time it would have been extremely risky to do that. If fans didn’t like the raw version that could have destroyed Bob’s career before it even started. So thank you Chris Blackwell for having the foresight to retouch the original version.
Many Jamaicans - artists or not - claim to have written Bob Marley's songs for him. But strangely enough, all these geniuses did not produce anything as great after Bob was dead and buried. Soon they will accuse Bob Marley of taking their genius with him to his grave.
Musicians are entitled to their opinions of other musicians, which are often eccentric and hard to understand. I don't think there's any big scandal here. Music is subjective. Cheers!
To me, I think John Lennon meant it as, Bob Marley has lost his revolutionary spark after Get up and Stand up. he obviously got it back later. This was very interesting , thanks very much 🎼🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Thank you for your interesting information, as always well researched & presented. I have the impression that John Lennon accepted/cultivated his 'rebel' role (in contrast to the more cheerful womanizer Paul ;-)) from the beginning, and really enjoyed it. While Peter Tosh may have struggled with it a bit at the beginning (or was jealous of Bob? ;-)), and only later began to enjoy this kind of role? Both rebels were my favorites when I was young & wild, and now with more 'elderly wisdom' I like the two nice guys just as much. 🌻✌🏻😎
@@ReggaeAppreciationSociety I found the distribution of roles to be similar, while all four were undoubtedly very creative minds, and none of them 'slacked off'. I don't want to do John Lennon an injustice because Yoko Ono pissed me off. 😁 Both of them were later extremely successful in their solo careers, Bob same as Paul.
You're totally right. Personally I like both Marley periods but I totally get what Lennon gets at. I also like the Beatles and their early 70s solo stuff more than their late 70s stuff. It's like that with every artist: Once the big labels, producers and bankers get hold of your music, creativity takes a hit. It's the nature of the beast. ...That's why they make those "I like their earlier stuff better" T-shirts. It's almost a universal truth about any band or artist. There simply are NONE artist who were better in their later career. More successful, yes sure, but not artistically better.
To be bluntly honest, Bob Marley's music just squashes Lennon's music like a flea. No comparison, even. Not even close. Bob Marley's music is far more than head and shoulders above Lennon's. Bob Marley's music continued to evolve magnificently all throughout 100% of it's history. AND Bob Marley's discography is *gargantuan* .
@@Sebastian-y6b6s His music ear is either still in infancy, doesn't know real instrument played music from computerization, or he's trying too hard to make an #** out of himself...or *all* *three* ! 🤣!! I couldn't even reply to him; the comment was just too stupid!! 🤣!!! Yours I can reply to because it is *intelligent* ! 😃
Let us not forget Lennons seminal song “ imagine “: it is up there with redemption song. So stop all this human ego comparing. It’s a nonsense. ( Bob himself said; I didn’t write these songs anyway, God did.
Everything Bob did musically in his lifetime was great.But that early incarnation of The Wailers was incredibly powerful.The version of Concrete Jungle performed by the band on The Old Grey Whistle Test is one of the greatest live performances ever.Hearing Bob,Bunny and Peters sublime vocal harmonies combined with that raw reggae sound they had is just a sublime experience.
I think Bob’s style became more global as his audience became more diversified. His music for Jamaica’s struggles became more universal and applied to struggles everywhere.
Here we go, folks arguing over 2 dead musician’s catalog. Hilarious. One thing we can agree on, they both wished, prayed and hoped for a better World.🌎
Sure, Bob's music was intentionally crafted (instrumentally) by Blackwell, to be palatable for a not global, but (rock and roll, therefore white) audience. Nothing wrong with that. It was the reason for Bob's global success. I'm Jamaican, and when I first heard Babylon by Bus, I heard "noise" Don't forget also that Eric Clapton's recording of I Shot the Sheriff was also instrumental to introducing bob to the wider (whiter; Just a pun, no disrespect) audience. Despite the forgoing, the essence of reggae was not lost. Furthermore, the recording was superior to the Jamaican single-track recording. And as attested by the guitar intro to Concrete Jungle, the changes were mostly pleasing.
John Lennon was ALWAYS inclined to romanticize the original un-adorned periods of his favorite artists- including the Beatles! On Elvis he said, right after his death- “it’s like he died twice, the first time was when he went to the army and became a movie star.” On the Beatles- “our best period was never recorded, we were at our best when we were in Hamburg playing the clubs” He always loved the most raw, authentic versions of genres. He loved ska before Reggae, and often directed the musicians who played with him to emulate the sound.
Lennon was a jerk. He jammed with Frank Zappa on stage and they agreed that each could use the recording but they played to an instrumental called King Kong by Zappa but Lennon changed the name of the song, put his name on it and ripped Zappa off of publishing rights.
What a jerk. John Lennon wasn't talented enough to write his own songs so he has to steal other people's music, like Frank Zappa... Give me a break. The situation you're referring to was about publishing, something Lennon had little to do with.
I so admire the evolution of Bob's music throughout the succession of his albums. To me, it's like a storybook. I think it's clear that unfortunately, Lennon wasn't around long enough to be able to appreciate this in the same way. ❤️🎶
Good observations my brother, but I was wondering if you know anything about the reggae community's reception to the Kaya album. Although I like the LP, I have to admit that it felt like Bob had watered down his message a bit to reach us here in America. I can recall some African American reggae fans (there were so few of us back then) saying as much back then. But when he came back with Survival, all that criticism was quickly forgotten. The Tuff Gong let the whole world know exactly where he stood in the Pan-African struggle. Bless up, brother, and keep up the excellent work.
@@andreyviana504 Of course I have. Those are two of my favorite songs on Kaya. However, you have to admit that those are the two of the stronger tunes in terms of political messages. But when you compare Kaya to say Exodus and Survival, the latter two are way more political. Again, I like Kaya, but not as much as I like the other two
@@kilabob1200Kaya sound and mixing are miles ahead any other album he did prior or after many effects and studio tricks applied to the boards and reel to reel analogue tapes. The studio was used as an instrument in the recording, mixing, and mastering of that project in particular. Just my opinion!
@@kilabob1200, in 1978, Bob visited Ethiopia, I think he just left the political content behind because he seen a revolutionary movement that took away Haile Selassie. Even though Bob sang Jah Live, probably he felt that he couldnt contribute to movements like that. Mengstu was the product of a revolutionary movement, and Bob didnt believe that Jah gave power to a baldhead.
I would tend to agree with Lennon to a point. I think Bob Marley's best work was with the original Wailers , after that he still made some excellent songs, but i think his zenith was with the Wailers...
@Revolver1981 Twist and Shout. They didn't steal it. They simply released a quite decent but inferior cover. The Isley Brothers version is gloriously raw and sexually charged, Lennon could not quite hit the same heights. Good effort.
@@jafarparkes It's just a cover version. The Beatles did lots of covers in their early years. They weren't copying anyone. Lennon's voice was destroyed by a long 12 hour recording session. Twist and Shout was the last song they recorded that day so his voice was gone but he still made a good effort.
Some call the Wailers 'Caribbean Beatles'… very crudely, in my mind, Marley= MacCartney Tosh= Lennon 'Bunny'= Harrison When Mr. Marley had control of the group and the other two were out, it lost something, but it gained something else. Still, there is no Bob Marley and the Wailers album without at least one song from the Wailers period redone. Mr. Marley didn't forget where he'd come from. I can understand why Mr. Lennon might say what he said, but, by 1980, both he and Mr. Marley had but months to live. I think maturing- losing youth and energy- isn't so bad, but the shame is that neither man got to mature completely to end of his natural life span.
Thank you mate. This had always bugged me too but you went to the heart of it. John also said very unkind things about avant-garde art and we know how that worked out...
Lennon couldn’t handle his smoke he was a weirdo 😂how dare he even think of mentioning Bob Marley … jealousy is a wicked thing. Bob could mash up these people with his music and his herb 😂
Chill out, it was just a strictly musical observation from a master. If Lennon didn’t dig Marley’s later material, that’s his prerogative. Marley isn’t validated by Lennon’s opinion of his later works.
I think Lennon probably felt what happened to him in the Beatles was happening to Marley...they both started out as authentic and once fame grows and people are making money off of your art you unfortunately become part of the machine.
I wasn’t really into him in the late 70’s as I preferred less commercial reggae. After he died I went back through his catalogue and discovered more of his earlier classics. I still think his later stuff was too “Lion King”.😂
My uncle was born in Guatemala but his family were Rasta. He shaped a lot of my musical influence and I loved Bob. Although I don't play Reggae, I think about him a lot when I write my music
In 1977 Paul & Linda McCartney sent some demos to Lee Perry, to be recorded in the Black Ark studio with local musicians. Some tunes (vocalised in Scotland) were released on Linda's posthumous album Wide Prairie: Mr Sandman & Sugar Time.
Lennon had a strong lip. Listen to the Rolling Stone 1970 interview and you'll know he goes too far. But, that kind of honesty is rare so remember that phrase, you hurt the ones you love.
In John's eyes Bob was not the same to him. Musicians listen music much different and the sound he was use's to wasn't there.The split in the band and the different musicians from time to time could play apart.
In my eyes John & Bob at one point were both trying to put out the same energy vibe for peace in life for all people in this world by so many important messages they wrote in their music back in the day & is still well needed even right now today. The obstacle both Lennon & Marley unfortunately faced was the fact their messages for world peace fell on deaf ears by the majority of society. Let's keep it a buck ya dig? 🤔 Just saying... Eeerrr... Hit this shlt & puff, puff, pass. 😎🚬 +++Peace, Funk & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+++ 🤘😜🤘
Lennon was a helluva a songwriter and had a great voice, but a lot of his musical opinions were bad. He maintained for instance that the Beatles should have never evolved their sound from the more straight forward rock n roll sound of their earlier albums, and he was really dismissive of a lot of their most loved songs. I think he got real caught up in the idea of himself as an artist for a while and then got real critical of the idea of being an artist. He was probably bipolar. He had periods of insane creativity and periods where he did nothing and during the former periods he’d be real arrogant and in the latter periods he’d get real depressed and abuse heroin. In other words, despite my respect for his musical abilities, his comments in the press can be ignored
What John Lennon meant was that he preferred The Wailers earlier raw material-when The Wailers were literally hungry. John felt the same way about the Beatles. John wanted to play pure rock and roll, and didn’t like the later pop-sounding Beatles sounds. Bob’s later sound was made more palatable to global audiences by Island Records by making the music less raw edged traditional roots reggae, to a more western pop-melodic style (though still reggae). John simply couldn’t get into Bob’s later sound the way he admired the earlier sound. But many of us liked the evolution and progression, though we still loved the earlier material. Lennon believed that he (Lennon) was a revolutionary, and he likely saw a kindred spirit in Bob, especially with the Wailers earlier militant songs. But when John heard “Turn Your Lights Down Low,” “Waiting In Vain,” and “Is This Love,” John would have wondered what the heck was happening to Bob, and others asked this very question back then. Bob himself jokingly mentioned it himself. But if you listen to an earlier interview of Bob’s from the early 1970s, he did stress that love songs were necessary. Women enjoy love songs and don’t want to constantly hear the heavy militant material. Women have always been major consumers of music and they’d buy love music in volumes. Bob knew this, and also that in order to get action from women, you got to show that other side. I disagree with Lennon though, in that lyrically, Bob maintained his militance in all his albums up till the “Uprising” masterpiece. But were Lennon strictly judging by the later Marley sound (compared to the sound from earlier years), then yes, the later sounds were more refined and polished. And I can see how some music purists won’t take a liking to the more refined and polished material.
This is the only right answer. They forget we are talking about a badass musician who went through the whole changing paradigms shit. Jhon was the biggest hater of some of the Beatles songs because he also knew the greatness that they acchieved with their masterpieces.
Looks John liked bobs early version of get up stand up. I'd say John loved bob and whalers a lot and it influenced his own later work. He like those early takes of get up stand up. I'm going to g to listen to both and see for myself
As a big fan of both the Beatles and Bob, I think you have it right. John Lennon was an opinionated SOB. He always reacted in the moment, and overstated his case. As you say, it's very common for fans to latch on to the original sound of an artist, and lose interest when it changes. So this isn't really to be taken seriously. I think the reason he didn't like Paul's "Obladi Oblada" was that it was such a watered down version of real reggae, with lame lyrics. But he did come up with its piano intro.
Enough said. King was a natty dread. Bob was always 100 out of 100 and that is why he was and will always be the King of Reggae. John Lennon as a solo artist could never be compared to Bob as a singer or song writer because Bob's body of work and influence is greater. The Beatles compared to Bob Marley and The Wailers does not even come close. End of conversation and this is going to everyone throughout every nation. Bob Marley was the best to ever do it and still is.
Nobody remember John Lennon music anymore, but Bob Marley music appreciation keep growing every year
I would politely disagree with you. Lennon solo work and or with the Beatles is still very popular with the young generation, now more than ever, the Get Back documentary proved that, even The so called Beatles last song made by Lennon
( Now and Then ) was a great hit in 2023, even though it was written over 45 years ago, it still had a catchy tune, and a beautiful message
You smoking too much man. Lay off it a bit with that nonsense
Grow up ffs. Dunning Kruger effect. Why do people have to be so arrogant and think they know everything when they know nothing. It's always the fools that are the loudest and most confident in proclaiming their idiocy. The wise man understands he knows very little and is always learning and only speaks on what he knows based on facts and evidence. Internet is full of the opposite types. Idiots who don't know the different between their opinions and fact.
Why don't you check whether something is true or not before talking bs. Black arrogance is now at an all time peak, as is it opposite, but as with all of humanity, the smart people are always the minority. All the many smart, intelligent, successful black people I follow online are disgusted about what the dumb side are doing. The Hodge twins frequently show clips of black people that think only their ethnocentric, racist worldview is true and they get a free passgfk going around being ridiculously racist.
The Beatles are loved and adored the world over, but people of all colours. Plenty of black reactors who have taken the journey of discovery about the Beatles and why they were the greatest band of all time cried when the Beatles released their last song recently, because the Beatles came from a higher place of love, like the Wailers, and touched millions upon millions.
It's genuinely scary the detachment from reality people have today. They simply believe the tiny bit of knowledge they have about the world is all there is to know, and that their opinion is fact.
GTFOH with that BS! You're a dipshlt to believe Lennon's music is irrelevant today. Stop while you're ahead cuz you're only embarrassing yourself by saying some silly shlt like that. "Get Your Mind Right!" 🤨😵💫 Seriously, WTF-OVER.
@@leonardocarretero1054 personally I've always thought most of lennons solo work was sh*te, and I'm a beatles fan especially of the later stuff Rubber soul onwards.
I’d listen to Bob over John any day
Not me !! JL is iconic unless you want to pander !!!!
@@TheLobocantaore his arrogance ruined his music for me.
@@chrissmith7669 It happens !!!
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@@chrissmith7669 JL genio !!!!
As someone who has grown up with John Lennon as a songwriting hero, and later Bob Marley
I can objectively say i appreciate Bobs lyrical ability's in his careers more than Lennon, and thats hard for me to even say.
Lennon lost touch a little, but Marley always remembered his roots
But Lennon never said that he is better than Marley though
@@the-engneer Lennon never lost touch the world lost touch
Reggae music and Bob Marley forever one love. Forever loving Jah.
Nobody can touch Bob Marley.
And all Reggae music doesn't sound the same.
@@marklayne1781 🙌🏽
Spiritual reggae and the winny winny reggae
I choose the spiritual Reggae atb
Bob Marley never lost "it." His style evolved over the years and, in my opinion, got better with each successive album. The same could be said of the Beatles whose style evolved in much the same way.🎸🎶🇯🇲
To me.. That 'SURVIVAL' album was perfect!! mi favorite Bob Marley Album.
@@goodmanfilife me too and im not even Black.
@@Heathcliff_hensel
What colour got to do with it ???????
John Lennon was sour because the Beatles broke up, he had a solo career but his popularity was waning and other people like Bob Marley were on the rise.
All I can say is...I love Bobs music.
Some people will kill me but I never understood the Beatles hype. I never liked the Beatles - SORRY!!
From rumours I heard John even had issues with Elvis!
I thought you covered this brilliantly. An added layer to this Marley-Lennon dynamic, of course, was that the Wailers were sometimes called “Jamaica’s Beatles,” and as you touch on, all three of the original Wailers were big fans of the Beatles. It’s hardly a surprise that the likes of Lennon and Harrison would also come to appreciate Marley and other Jamaican artists. (To my knowledge, “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” was partly inspired by Paul’s friendship with Desmond Dekker.)
You also touched something that I can attest to: My best friend (and a former band mate of mine) is an absolute “Wailers purist” who believes that the original three were pure gold and that their output from 1969-73 is unrivaled. He even argues that their material with Lee “Scratch” Perry was the cream of the crop, but he concedes that, as far as studio albums go, “Catch a Fire” is his favorite. (Bunny is also his favorite of the original trio.) My favorite is “Exodus,” which he enjoys, but for him, nothing else comes close to the earlier stuff.
John Lennon, perhaps a bit like Peter Tosh, was eccentric and thoughtful. He was definitely a musician’s musician, in a sense. He could, however, be unyielding, and sometimes very scathing and black-and-white in his critiques, as you mentioned, and he didn’t always elaborate on what he meant, often being prepared to let his initial - and sometimes puzzling - statements speak for themselves. As a result, statements like this one seem to contain both admiration and snobbery. (As an aside, Eric Clapton wrote that he had noticed John’s enigmatic behavior, his odd communication style, and his sheer talent as a musician and songwriter when they collaborated together in around 1969-70 with the Plastic Ono Band. Clapton thought that Peter Tosh, too, was equally as brilliant and, sometimes, just as hard to read - an impression he got when the two of them had worked together in 1974-75 on one of Clapton’s albums. He deeply admired Peter and his raw talent, though, just as he did with John.)
All of this considered, if I’m being charitable in my interpretation, I think John Lennon’s sentiments here are less an intended act of disrespect towards Bob Marley per se and more an expression of “Wailers purism” than anything else. It would have been helpful, in my opinion, if Lennon had explained his views on what the “it” was that had been captured by Bob and the other Wailers during the “Catch a Fire/Burnin’” era.
One of your best episodes yet!
@@spencerpennington07 Blessings mon ✌️ Thanks a lot
Super explained 🌻🙏🏽
Great reply. Especially the last paragraph. I agree with it wholeheartedly.
didnt listen to the whole video, but Lennon was a bit of a character, he did the same with Maccartney. And in the end, he was only a little bit jealous of Paul's success. Individuation comes with it's consequences and he left off being a rockstar to being a dad, and then became a critic of the music that was around, and Jhon isnt a Guru of music, he himself didnt live up to the expectations of what his lyrics said, and neither did Bob... The only thing i can say about them both is that they are great Artists, that knew or succeded on how to express certain feelings into a tune and a beat.
@@An-dre6109as a musician I can no longer look at the Beatles through rose-colored glasses... Lenon was a dick dude through and through... When I was a kid we were led to believe that McCartney was the aggressor... And it all stems from A fistful of songs that McCartney wrote that Lennon could have never ever ever ever ever ever written... Hey jude, let it be, jhon was officially outclassed... And wasn't gracious about it at all
The message reached STILL…and well well established.
“Who God bless,no man can curse!”
I’d take any opinion of Lennon’s with a pinch of salt. He was renowned for talking off the top of his head which on one hand gave him a charming sense of honesty but on the other gave it a conversationalist air that allowed for off the cuff remarks that contradict each other.
Sign of a genius
Sign of a Gobshite
@@vipeton.8927Overated songwriter.
@@erickvanommeren8799 elaborate please
Yes. He was a weathercock. More about being contrarian to keep discussion and thought active.
I say John lost it when he got with Yoko who became his manipulative Oidipus mother.
bob never EVER LOST anything
Yuh nuh see a mad man that bout bob lost it 😂
Bob was a Super Hero lots of them even Lennon Glitter & Glamour Puppets 😂
"Never EVER" really! How about his life!
@@alcodelange1975Lennon was 20 times the star Marly was. Lennon was the Beatles, and no one will ever touch the Beatles!
@@mikeycraig8970To you?
I love John's music but the thing to remember about John is he lashed out if he felt threatened or insecure. He'd criticise if he felt out loved by public. I doubt John really felt that way. Probably jealous. He criticised others such as Bowie, Elton John and of course Paul McCartney in a similar way. I love Bob and John. Once in the mainstream, I don't think Bob released One cover version, everything was original. A phenomenal amount of originals. in the late 70s, John was the washed up one. I think it's awful that they both died when they both still had so much to offer the music world. Bob would have gotten better and bigger in the 80's.
Absolutely love the channel by the way. Thanks for all your content. I find Bob such an enigmatic person and love your stories and thoughts on his life and music. Was listening to the confrontation Album today. Absolutely love it. Give Thanks and Praises... for BOB!
Confrontation is a slept on album criminally underrated and overlooked it’s the unsung album 💿 by f hai career. Can you please do a reaction and/or review in the making and creation of that posthumous album 💿 thanks?!?!?!
Agree totally with what you've said in this video. I grieve Bob's loss as I would a family member.❤
bless you
Right, I think Bob would have evolved and developed even more!
He was very critical of Mick Jagger and I know thought "whatever."
Wow! You Sir, are a commanding and knowledgeable figure on Reggae in my opinion. This was a fantastic post on Reggae, Bob Marley & John Lennon. Thanks for the insights and please continue to share your wonderful knowledge of Reggae music. Jah Bless & One Love.
I LIKED THE BEATLES WHEN I WAS A KID AND LOVED BOB MARLEY AS A TEENAGER.
Bob Marley legacy got bigger after his death so many cant fathom any Marley criticism, Lennon was giving his musical critique base on the moment
I can truthfully say that I enjoy ALL of Marley’s output to this day, while Lennon gets virtually no play time in my home or headphones. In my humble opinion, Marley’s music is universal & timeless no matter where along his catalog’s timeline you happen to tap into.
Great video, both in terms of subject & commentary!
@@joepipisitoface3380 💯💯💯
@@joepipisitoface3380 Same opinion here. Bob's music and messages will be listened to forever. 💯🎸🇯🇲❤️
John was joking, he had a odd sense of humor
Only John song played here in UK is imagine that's it, sometimes you might get a Beatles song but that's about it
well, in Mexico Bob is very popular but the beatles are constantly played on the radio. They even do festivals in different states and sports events dedicated to their legacy.
Bob Marley was the musical prophet ordained by Jah Almighty. He never lost his edge.
Amen to that
There is another that is born in the same place as Bob, st Ann. He is the true minstrel of Almighty God. He will be revealed soon.
You know Bob abandoned Rastafari?
Ordained by an Ethiopian fraudster, who claimed he was Jesus Christ
@@fgoindarkg thank you for saying that, he became a Christian on his death bed and told his wife not to tell his fans. This tells you about love for others or just self interest?
Great video. Marley and Lennon are two musical heroes, and Lennon was known to be a sharp critic and later regretted things he'd said. I think he maybe thought Bob's music was getting too "commercialized" and looked past its genius. And I'm sure those criticisms came out of his deep love for Bob's earlier music.
That being said, John was wrong and I'm sure he would have took that statement back as he did many other statements.
I see a lot of under appreciation for Lennon's music on this thread and have to point out that Mind Games is amazing and Lennon was a social hero. Nothing needs to be said for Bob! I bet the two of them must have had a beautiful bond on that night in 79.
Cheers!
There is a book by a guy called Frederic Seaman who was Lennon's personal assistant in the last months of his life. In the book that he wrote - I read it 30 years ago - he essentially says that Lennon idolised Bob Marley. From memory, Marley gets mentioned a fair amount and in very, very glowing terms.
Some really nice insights into the lives of two genius musicians, well done.
In Brazil we have a saying "When quiet, Pelé is a poet." I suppose the same can be said about John Lennon.
That's quite a Brazilian saying. 😂
Esse ditado serve te bem. Cala te poeta.
Trouble is,Lennon never cared about being politically correct
Não. John era inteligente, diferente de Pelé.
@@JoaoGabriel-lk9cvPele is greatest footballer to ever live , white racism try tell you other wise
Wow, amazing to think that Bob Marley and John Lennon two icons was once in the same room sharing a spliff together, talking about life..
Two great Legends of music and their respective fields of music, that both sang about peace, love and equal rights, sadly they both passed away not long after, and within months of each other..
John Lennon cannot outsmoke Bob Marley
@@KaBangiPapaRasta I hear ya, especially due to Bob being a Rastaman..
Did they meet?
Yes they did meet, according to the story told in this video..
@@neonh161 Thank you. Didn't finish the video. I will now.
👏👏👏great deep dive with this video 👊thank you so much for the good work.
@@dailypolishme Thanks for watching ✌️
I loved John and Bob. I’m grateful for their gift of songs that not only entertain but inspire and enlighten.
A lot of people don't understand how much influence Bob had over the music industry during that time. A lot of the mega stars were in Ah over his music and aura, you had Marvin Gaye, Rick James and Michael Jackson to name a few. They were all fans of his music!
Do you think they understand what he saying
@@michaelle8384 What does that mean?
Stevie Wonder. Tangentially, The Clash. Modern times, Manu Chao
Manu chao,the clash,yeah...!@@majwilsonlion
WOW!
John Lennon was a fan with opinions just like us.
:)
Congratulations on your opinion. It's a relief to read, for a change, a moderate and considered opinion on the subject.
They got so much things to say right now so much things to say I never forget oh no they crucified Jesus Christ.
He can suck him Mada wid him opinion
Right? Who would have taught?
I believe John Lennon was a purist and it was his opinion. I can understand what he is saying though I don't agree with him.
There is a marked difference between the Lee Perry era Bob Marley and the Chris Blackwell era Bob Marley for sure. Lennon was outspoken and gave everything a broad stroke but pointing out he preferred early Tuff Gong wasn't a fan of the extra on top.
There's only 6 months between John and Bob's departure, always chilled me that.
They were to powerful that’s why it chills me as well
I wouldnt say Bob "lost it" but Lennon certainly had a point , although the same can be said for most musicians...John Lennon included.
Agreed. The only Lennon albums that had any bite were POB and walls and Bridges (my fav). Double fantasy had some great cleverly crafted songs, but zero bite. Yokos were more cutting edge on it than his.
@@mumbles215. 🤔👍
No one stays the same. Creatively, you have to evolve
@@tinamichele22 . You're right about that my dear. Up 📈and down 📉 like light switchers 👆💡👇📊
What point did John have ? Bob Marley was great to the end of his life. His legacy proves it.
Bob's music lives on ❤️💛💚
🇯🇲 *_Get-Up!! Stand-Up!!_* 🇯🇲
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Nonsense
People all salty cause Lennon loved Marley’s music lol… does he have to love ALL of Bob’s music??!
But on one side he is right
I agree that the earlier recordings are more "real". Also, I prefer the original Wailers harmonies with Peter Tosh and Bunny Wailer to the later I Threes. But those songs are great too in their own way!
Burnin' is a masterpiece with that Jamaican gospel influence and church organ throughout. 👍
I’m not sure how anyone could argue with that.. people can be awfully triggered these days and simple critique is often labelled as “hate”. I can’t think of any artist that hasn’t in some way “lost it” as their fame, wealth and adoration from fans increases, Lennon included.
They're both legends, rip ❤
Thank you again for such excellent content. Perhaps it’s best to say “I prefer” a certain period of an artist’s music, rather than to make statements such as Lennon’s. Who was he, who is anyone, to pontificate in such a way that demeans an individual’s artistry? Hierarchical thinking is a human trait that fuels racism, capitalism, and cruelty. Love to all!
Well said..
@@Francesco6961 Thanks for this intervention mi lion ✌️ Blessings
I agree with you...thanks for covering this..😊
Lennon was known for sticking his foot in his mouth every now and again and getting shot and getting cancer are setbacks that would mess anybody up, even Bob Marley. Both men died too soon, sadly, to see how "Get Up Stand Up" grew in popularity in the eighties. Ten years later and Lennon would likely have been apologizing for any harsh feelings caused by his remarks.
Yes I forgot about his cancer!
Lennon was an A hole! No way his inflated ego would allow him to say sorry to anyone! He was an A hole from the moment he hit the spotlight till the moment he lost his life!
My uncle gave me Uprising in 1981 when I was 12. I think i had it on repeat for about 4 years. I rarely bought records as I had no money so that was one of the few I owned. Never got bored of it.
Maybe John didn't like the more modern R&B influence of the late 70's in Bob's music. Plus by 1979 Bob was becoming more mainstream here in the states, maybe John thought Bob was watering down.
In the 1970's some Jamaicans thought Marley sold out when he changed his music for a global audience, but came to appreciate it, especially after he passed. An example "No Woman No Cry." His earlier lyrics he sang "No woman Nuh Cry" which translates from patois No Woman Don't Cry.
Marley was okay I guess, but he wasn't no David Cassidy I tell you.
The album Survival disproofs any claims of lost creativity!
@@retlaw190 Absolutely!
Survival is commercial, the real sound was when Peter was on guitar and Bunny on percussion and thats all facts
@@culturedat... Survival wasn't commercial. It was HARD HITTING!! Nuff people cuss Bob saying the prior album (Exodus) was too 'white'. Check every chune pon 'Survival'. It was an anti-colonial project.
@@culturedatYou know nothing ! Early works of Bob had lyrics that were way less militant than later work.
@@taopaille-paille4992 you really know nothing??? He was speaking more militant but he wasn't putting any names on it. Just us and them so if a white man listened who's us and them to him??
How great it would be if people, including famous artists, could give their opinion without having to face a horde of angry fanboys. I love Marley, but there are a lot of people here belittling Lennon and the Beatles and they just have to be kidding me.
I agree with you. And Bernie Taupin’s actual quote was that “Bob and his entourage were in awe of Lennon” when they met Lennon. It wasn’t Lennon and Bernie who were in awe of Bob, but it was obvious to Bernie that Bob was The Man. Though broken up, the Beatles were the apex of popular music, and meeting John Lennon would have been an incredible treat for any artist who came after the Beatles.
Please. John thought Yoko was talented. His opinion carries no weight.
The Beatles were very, average musicians whose entire career was fabricated by the Tavistock Institute as a PsyOp. In fact, each member of the Beatles were swapped out by lookalikes like a car assembly line thru their entire career, not just Paul. Ringo could barely play the drums as Quincy Jones has confirmed.
They do not even desearve to be mentioned in the same category with genuine great muscisians like the Wailers. The truth will always hurt the feelings of fannatics.
That is why Little Richard did not even want a piece of the ownership of their music when he had an opportunity in the beginning (they were poor version of a Little Richard cover band when they started), so don't let the hysteria around their supposed fabricated, talent which was manufactured cloud the truth about their importance to music.
Wonderful breakdown. Bob was a blessing and evolved beautifully over the course of his career.
Lennon worshipped Elvis but also later said Elvis "died" in the army, ie stopped making good music after that. There are artists I admire such as Lou Reed and Frank Zappa that have said quite negative things about The Beatles and it doesn't bother me at all in spite of the fact I'm a Beatle fanatic, in fact I understand it coming from their perspective even though I completely disagree with them. I think it's much more interesting when artists give their true opinions even if they might be negative. I don't think we should treat our favorite artists like they're our children, better to step back and have more objectivity.
100%
Very good comment.!
Fela Kuti also criticized Bob Marley. He criticized Marley for never naming the oppressors he attacked in his songs. But Marley sang "I don't come to fight flesh and blood but spiritual wickedness in high and low places". When you name evil men in your songs, you will make them eternal. Your songs will feed and maintain the memory of these people through space and time. They don't deserve it.
That was very good. I didn't think Lennon's comment was that critical or shocking. He was just brutally opinionated. Maybe sometimes wrong. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even rock stars. Endless adoration is a bore and a drag anyway. I love the courage and creativity of both of them. RIP, John and Bob. ❤❤
Off topic but I have another request. Please if you have not do a vlog on the impact reggae and ska has or had on rock groups such as The Police, 10cc ( Reggae Holiday) , No Doubt , Steely Dan ( Haitian Divorce) and other groups. Great channel and continued success upward! 🎉🎉
@@dee24874 Blessings mon 🙌 Great suggestion! Will work on it soonest
@@ReggaeAppreciationSociety thank you! 😊😊
@@dee24874
Excellent topic!!
Reggae immensely influenced 80's music; New Wave and Pop was very much influenced by Jamaican Reggae and Ska!
I like Harrison,...... Bob still hits my heart,...!
Excellent video. The remark, although seems rather critical if you listen to the tone, it’s actually praiseful. Did the sound change to being less pure, true. This does not take away from the power of the message of the ultimate musician / profit of our time Robert Nesta Marley. My favorite Bob Marley song is Bus Dem Shut. amazing.
Lennon was no match to Marley. Marley was a planet and Lennon was a tiny grain of sand. It would take years to listen to a single Lennon’s song whereas Marley’s music is a universal language and resonates with the entire humanity
😂😂😂😂tiny grain of sand 😂😂 ooh me gosh !!!JL was jealousing BM for real 😂
Always felt like Lennon did it with heart and complete lack of rhythm.
While Bob did it with complete heart and complete rhythm.
Lennon had been a fan of Reggie music since the late 60’s, and he even saw Marley live in Concert in 74-ish…
When recording his Mind Games album in 73 he had to teach the studio band how to play Reggie as it was not quite a big hit in the states yet.
He was probably a fan of the early 70’s music, then went off in the late 70’s…. As it was apparently a trip to Bermuda in 1980’s and a night out at a local underground club that reinvigorated his passion for Reggie.
I would take Lennons comments with a pinch of salt and that he was just being brutally honest as a fan with what he likes (George Harrison said they can not stand any of Elton Johns post 1972 stuff, yet love his stuff before that)
I get what Lennon was saying, he liked “real reggae” and not what Blackwell influenced over the Wailers, but they could have told Chris “thanks for the advice but pass (the spliff)”. Wailers shows in Hollywood were instantly packed with big name musicians.
Agree on all points (except its Junior Murvin not Marvin). Excellent video 💯
By "It", Lennon meant Peter Tosh, who wrote Get Up Stand Up.
Tosh was not lost, but thrown under the bus, by a man who loved money more than his soul.
And who is that man may I ask?
@@thmdrt_XXII the one whose family supports a genocidal ethnostate to this day, while Tosh was singing "Palestine is fighting for equal rights and Justice" while wearing a Kuffiyeh on stage in 1977.
The one who did not Get Up, Stand Up to the establishment in any meaningful way, while raking in cash for a song that wasn't really his.
The Wailers was a trio of Peter, Bunny and Bob. One of these had such an ego he put his name in front of the band name, without the other two in the band, at the behest of a White dude named Chris Blackwell (whose mother is Blanche Blackwell, a muse to MI6 asset Ian Fleming, among other items of note), who screwed the other two over, while buttering the ego of the original group's resident narcissist.
Look at Tosh's output, Legalize It, Equal Rights, Mama Africa, No Nuclear War... I wonder why a record label owner connected to British Intelligence, would refuse to put out his solo work while promoting Marley's?
Tosh also wrote 400 years, Stop That Train, and No Sympathy, amongst others, and was lead guitarist, keyboardist, and vocalist of the Wailers until 1974.
He's what Lennon could hear Marley lost.
@@johnkayoss5422 ''genocidal ethnostate''. God you people are sick. You can't win with rational, objective, logical argument (because you have none), and so you create all these disgusting totalitarian propaganda words. You're Marxists. Look at the devestation og Marxist states and the 100's of millions killed for no other reason the opposing those in power politically.
You don't know the actually history. And you don't care. You think in the most infantile way that Israel are the stronger force, therefore the underdog must be right. I spoke to my dad on the morrning of the 8th. I don't care about one side or the other, supporting one blindly like a football team.
I saw images of you girls getting taken away in trucks as savage animals spat on them and chanted ''Allahu Ackbar'' and thousands of innocents slaughters. I couldn't even get the worlds out about how terrible it was before my dad said they were freedom fighters. He has the same mental illness and emotional incontinence, the same narcissism as anyone on the Left. Who even admit that it was atrocity waged on innocent people.
The are probably 50+ Muslim states. When just one was proposed, the Islamic world, who hate Jews and are have been taught non-Muslims are filthy, attacked from the outset. Jordan. Egypt. Others. Each time Israel won.
France and UK won the territory fighting the Ottaman Empire in WW1, who controlled it before. And partitioned. But no. Israel is not allowed to have anything.
It's not even allowed to avenge 7th Oct, and wipe out a genuinely religiously-inspired genocide in the true sense of the world. I'd love to see ever disgusting, brainwashed cretin calling their war on people still holding their hostaged a genocide poked in the eye every time that mention that grotesque, fabricated weasal word.
@@johnkayoss5422 Very well said.
@@johnkayoss5422 you keep harping on about get up stand up ye a good song written by Peter tosh but how many great songs did Bob write? A endless amount he wrote most of the songs for the early wailers FACT.. and wrote many a great song later and didn't Peter try and chase the money when he signed with the rolling stones? Playing at there gigs in front of large white crowds, don't tel me Peter wasn't after a mainstream audience to boost his popularity and album sales and bob always pushed the message even if you didn't agree, stop playing Peter off against bob, both incredible artists in my opinion but I can see how the great bob marley had more of a mass appeal.
John Lennon was the same with his rock 'n' roll - his first love was always early rock 'n' roll - he always thought the 'real' rock 'n' roll was the early stuff... Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Elvis, Buddy Holly etc. He loved the early rock 'n' roll recordings and tried to capture the sound many times in his career. His love for the early reggae recordings make sense in this light. When he said 'clever' he meant in the studio. As a studio recording artist the simplicity & honesty of early recordings attracted him.
Chris Blackwell should have released one raw version and one watered down pop version album, to let the fans deceide which one they chose🤔
@@Michel-7.7.7 I heard some of the original recordings still exist
At that time it would have been extremely risky to do that. If fans didn’t like the raw version that could have destroyed Bob’s career before it even started. So thank you Chris Blackwell for having the foresight to retouch the original version.
Eventually that was done; the current Deluxe Edition of _Catch A Fire_ has the OG Jamaican mixes in one disc, and the released version in the other.
Many Jamaicans - artists or not - claim to have written Bob Marley's songs for him. But strangely enough, all these geniuses did not produce anything as great after Bob was dead and buried. Soon they will accuse Bob Marley of taking their genius with him to his grave.
Lennon called it how he saw it from a musician prospective...Blackwell watered down the real sound but couldn't keep a good man down
Musicians are entitled to their opinions of other musicians, which are often eccentric and hard to understand. I don't think there's any big scandal here. Music is subjective. Cheers!
Evolution is imperative is music
But hardly a wise commercial move
Lennon tended to like artists with an earlier less polished sound so he preferred Bob with the Wailers. He made similar comments about Elvis.
One shouldn't pay too much attention to offhand remarks by famous people who are, after all, still just people.
thanks for sharing this
Bob the greatest ever.
To me, I think John Lennon meant it as, Bob Marley has lost his revolutionary spark after Get up and Stand up. he obviously got it back later.
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Thank you for your interesting information, as always well researched & presented.
I have the impression that John Lennon accepted/cultivated his 'rebel' role (in contrast to the more cheerful womanizer Paul ;-)) from the beginning, and really enjoyed it. While Peter Tosh may have struggled with it a bit at the beginning (or was jealous of Bob? ;-)), and only later began to enjoy this kind of role?
Both rebels were my favorites when I was young & wild, and now with more 'elderly wisdom' I like the two nice guys just as much. 🌻✌🏻😎
@@SabiArtStory777 Hmmm 🤔 Interesting comparison mi lioness 🔥 McCartney = Bob
Lennon = Tosh
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I found the distribution of roles to be similar, while all four were undoubtedly very creative minds, and none of them 'slacked off'.
I don't want to do John Lennon an injustice because Yoko Ono pissed me off. 😁
Both of them were later extremely successful in their solo careers, Bob same as Paul.
@@SabiArtStory777 Great observation. I'm not fond of Yoko either. She helped drive the man cuckoo
You're totally right. Personally I like both Marley periods but I totally get what Lennon gets at. I also like the Beatles and their early 70s solo stuff more than their late 70s stuff. It's like that with every artist: Once the big labels, producers and bankers get hold of your music, creativity takes a hit. It's the nature of the beast. ...That's why they make those "I like their earlier stuff better" T-shirts. It's almost a universal truth about any band or artist.
There simply are NONE artist who were better in their later career. More successful, yes sure, but not artistically better.
To be bluntly honest, Bob Marley's music just squashes Lennon's music like a flea.
No comparison, even. Not even close. Bob Marley's music is far more than head and shoulders above Lennon's.
Bob Marley's music continued to evolve magnificently all throughout 100% of it's history.
AND Bob Marley's discography is *gargantuan* .
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too bad all reggae sounds the same....
@@gzuskreist1021Too bad you don't have a musical ear to hear the difference!!! Then I guess all funk,rock,blues,jazz sounds the same to you?
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His music ear is either still in infancy, doesn't know real instrument played music from computerization, or he's trying too hard to make an #** out of himself...or *all* *three* !
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I couldn't even reply to him; the comment was just too stupid!!
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Yours I can reply to because it is *intelligent* ! 😃
Let us not forget Lennons seminal song “ imagine “: it is up there with redemption song. So stop all this human ego comparing. It’s a nonsense. ( Bob himself said; I didn’t write these songs anyway, God did.
Wonderful take on this. Well done.
Ppl don't realize that Bob was a religious messenger not a musician
Everything Bob did musically in his lifetime was great.But that early incarnation of The Wailers was incredibly powerful.The version of Concrete Jungle performed by the band on The Old Grey Whistle Test is one of the greatest live performances ever.Hearing Bob,Bunny and Peters sublime vocal harmonies combined with that raw reggae sound they had is just a sublime experience.
“Even at what they call his worst, Bob was still better than them best.”
Rest in Paradise to the legend Bob Marley
Jah Lives
I think Bob’s style became more global as his audience became more diversified. His music for Jamaica’s struggles became more universal and applied to struggles everywhere.
Here we go, folks arguing over 2 dead musician’s catalog.
Hilarious.
One thing we can agree on, they both wished, prayed and hoped for a better World.🌎
Don't know why they think they are in any position to cast their mouths our way.
Without black music where would they be?
Sure, Bob's music was intentionally crafted (instrumentally) by Blackwell, to be palatable for a not global, but (rock and roll, therefore white) audience.
Nothing wrong with that. It was the reason for Bob's global success. I'm Jamaican, and when I first heard Babylon by Bus, I heard "noise"
Don't forget also that Eric Clapton's recording of I Shot the Sheriff was also instrumental to introducing bob to the wider (whiter; Just a pun, no disrespect) audience. Despite the forgoing, the essence of reggae was not lost. Furthermore, the recording was superior to the Jamaican single-track recording. And as attested by the guitar intro to Concrete Jungle, the changes were mostly pleasing.
John Lennon was ALWAYS inclined to romanticize the original un-adorned periods of his favorite artists- including the Beatles!
On Elvis he said, right after his death- “it’s like he died twice, the first time was when he went to the army and became a movie star.”
On the Beatles- “our best period was never recorded, we were at our best when we were in Hamburg playing the clubs”
He always loved the most raw, authentic versions of genres. He loved ska before Reggae, and often directed the musicians who played with him to emulate the sound.
You’re right.
Lennon was a jerk. He jammed with Frank Zappa on stage and they agreed that each could use the recording but they played to an instrumental called King Kong by Zappa but Lennon changed the name of the song, put his name on it and ripped Zappa off of publishing rights.
You say that like it’s a bad thing!😂
What a jerk. John Lennon wasn't talented enough to write his own songs so he has to steal other people's music, like Frank Zappa...
Give me a break. The situation you're referring to was about publishing, something Lennon had little to do with.
I so admire the evolution of Bob's music throughout the succession of his albums. To me, it's like a storybook. I think it's clear that unfortunately, Lennon wasn't around long enough to be able to appreciate this in the same way. ❤️🎶
Good observations my brother, but I was wondering if you know anything about the reggae community's reception to the Kaya album. Although I like the LP, I have to admit that it felt like Bob had watered down his message a bit to reach us here in America. I can recall some African American reggae fans (there were so few of us back then) saying as much back then. But when he came back with Survival, all that criticism was quickly forgotten. The Tuff Gong let the whole world know exactly where he stood in the Pan-African struggle. Bless up, brother, and keep up the excellent work.
What? Have you ever heard time will tell and crisis?
@@andreyviana504 Of course I have. Those are two of my favorite songs on Kaya. However, you have to admit that those are the two of the stronger tunes in terms of political messages. But when you compare Kaya to say Exodus and Survival, the latter two are way more political. Again, I like Kaya, but not as much as I like the other two
@@kilabob1200Kaya sound and mixing are miles ahead any other album he did prior or after many effects and studio tricks applied to the boards and reel to reel analogue tapes. The studio was used as an instrument in the recording, mixing, and mastering of that project in particular. Just my opinion!
@@kilabob1200 According to Neville Garrick - "Bob sucked in new reggae fans with Kaya and unleashed the militancy on them with Survival"
@@kilabob1200, in 1978, Bob visited Ethiopia, I think he just left the political content behind because he seen a revolutionary movement that took away Haile Selassie. Even though Bob sang Jah Live, probably he felt that he couldnt contribute to movements like that. Mengstu was the product of a revolutionary movement, and Bob didnt believe that Jah gave power to a baldhead.
I would tend to agree with Lennon to a point.
I think Bob Marley's best work was with the original Wailers , after that he still made some excellent songs, but i think his zenith was with the Wailers...
Uncle Bob evolved , the Beetles stole from the Isley Brothers . Ask Sting if Bob ever lost it .
Don't be foolish. The Isley Brothers?🤣
@Revolver1981 Twist and Shout. They didn't steal it. They simply released a quite decent but inferior cover. The Isley Brothers version is gloriously raw and sexually charged, Lennon could not quite hit the same heights. Good effort.
@@jafarparkes It's just a cover version. The Beatles did lots of covers in their early years. They weren't copying anyone. Lennon's voice was destroyed by a long 12 hour recording session. Twist and Shout was the last song they recorded that day so his voice was gone but he still made a good effort.
Beatles music is written in the Western Classical Tradition. To suggest they stole from just one band is incorrect.
I mean, ask Sting?why?
Some call the Wailers 'Caribbean Beatles'… very crudely, in my mind, Marley= MacCartney
Tosh= Lennon
'Bunny'= Harrison
When Mr. Marley had control of the group and the other two were out, it lost something, but it gained something else. Still, there is no Bob Marley and the Wailers album without at least one song from the Wailers period redone. Mr. Marley didn't forget where he'd come from.
I can understand why Mr. Lennon might say what he said, but, by 1980, both he and Mr. Marley had but months to live. I think maturing- losing youth and energy- isn't so bad, but the shame is that neither man got to mature completely to end of his natural life span.
Damn good observation... to add on Bob Marley music was never the same after Bunny and Peter left and a real musician like Lennon knew it...
That 'SURVIVAL' album was on point!!
@@goodmanfilife survival album was good but it was commercial frfr
Thank you mate. This had always bugged me too but you went to the heart of it. John also said very unkind things about avant-garde art and we know how that worked out...
@@ledatape John was one interesting character
Lennon couldn’t handle his smoke he was a weirdo 😂how dare he even think of mentioning Bob Marley … jealousy is a wicked thing. Bob could mash up these people with his music and his herb 😂
@@DJ25Blessed 😂😂 I am beginning to think he was angry at how stoned Bob got him
Bob gave him a 'Seasoned Spliff' 😅
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You're all bad guys 🌿💨🤪😁
@@goodmanfilife 😂
Chill out, it was just a strictly musical observation from a master. If Lennon didn’t dig Marley’s later material, that’s his prerogative. Marley isn’t validated by Lennon’s opinion of his later works.
I think Lennon probably felt what happened to him in the Beatles was happening to Marley...they both started out as authentic and once fame grows and people are making money off of your art you unfortunately become part of the machine.
I wasn’t really into him in the late 70’s as I preferred less commercial reggae. After he died I went back through his catalogue and discovered more of his earlier classics. I still think his later stuff was too “Lion King”.😂
My uncle was born in Guatemala but his family were Rasta. He shaped a lot of my musical influence and I loved Bob. Although I don't play Reggae, I think about him a lot when I write my music
In 1977 Paul & Linda McCartney sent some demos to Lee Perry, to be recorded in the Black Ark studio with local musicians. Some tunes (vocalised in Scotland) were released on Linda's posthumous album Wide Prairie: Mr Sandman & Sugar Time.
Yeah and they’re crap!
@@mrnobodyzI haven't heard 'em, but this comment is so funny
Bob Marley is a wonderful man!! John Lennon is the 1 who lost it! Thank Jah for Bob Marley!!❤🎉🧡💛💚🙏🏻
"Uprising" is definitely my favourite post- Lee Perry album.
Survival and Uprising are my faves. ❤❤
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I was just thinking about perfect albums throughout history and Uprising was one of them...
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@@dee24874confrontation and Kaya are others ones that come to mind!
Lennon had a strong lip. Listen to the Rolling Stone 1970 interview and you'll know he goes too far. But, that kind of honesty is rare so remember that phrase, you hurt the ones you love.
In John's eyes Bob was not the same to him. Musicians listen music much different and the sound he was use's to wasn't there.The split in the band and the different musicians from time to time could play apart.
You understand...
Doesn't make sense at the time John said it
John also thought Yoko was talented, so there's that.
In my eyes John & Bob at one point were both trying to put out the same energy vibe for peace in life for all people in this world by so many important messages they wrote in their music back in the day & is still well needed even right now today. The obstacle both Lennon & Marley unfortunately faced was the fact their messages for world peace fell on deaf ears by the majority of society. Let's keep it a buck ya dig? 🤔 Just saying... Eeerrr... Hit this shlt & puff, puff, pass. 😎🚬 +++Peace, Funk & Rock n' Roll 4 Your Soul My Friends+++ 🤘😜🤘
Lennon was a helluva a songwriter and had a great voice, but a lot of his musical opinions were bad. He maintained for instance that the Beatles should have never evolved their sound from the more straight forward rock n roll sound of their earlier albums, and he was really dismissive of a lot of their most loved songs. I think he got real caught up in the idea of himself as an artist for a while and then got real critical of the idea of being an artist. He was probably bipolar. He had periods of insane creativity and periods where he did nothing and during the former periods he’d be real arrogant and in the latter periods he’d get real depressed and abuse heroin. In other words, despite my respect for his musical abilities, his comments in the press can be ignored
What John Lennon meant was that he preferred The Wailers earlier raw material-when The Wailers were literally hungry. John felt the same way about the Beatles. John wanted to play pure rock and roll, and didn’t like the later pop-sounding Beatles sounds. Bob’s later sound was made more palatable to global audiences by Island Records by making the music less raw edged traditional roots reggae, to a more western pop-melodic style (though still reggae). John simply couldn’t get into Bob’s later sound the way he admired the earlier sound. But many of us liked the evolution and progression, though we still loved the earlier material. Lennon believed that he (Lennon) was a revolutionary, and he likely saw a kindred spirit in Bob, especially with the Wailers earlier militant songs. But when John heard “Turn Your Lights Down Low,” “Waiting In Vain,” and “Is This Love,” John would have wondered what the heck was happening to Bob, and others asked this very question back then. Bob himself jokingly mentioned it himself. But if you listen to an earlier interview of Bob’s from the early 1970s, he did stress that love songs were necessary. Women enjoy love songs and don’t want to constantly hear the heavy militant material. Women have always been major consumers of music and they’d buy love music in volumes. Bob knew this, and also that in order to get action from women, you got to show that other side. I disagree with Lennon though, in that lyrically, Bob maintained his militance in all his albums up till the “Uprising” masterpiece. But were Lennon strictly judging by the later Marley sound (compared to the sound from earlier years), then yes, the later sounds were more refined and polished. And I can see how some music purists won’t take a liking to the more refined and polished material.
This is the only right answer. They forget we are talking about a badass musician who went through the whole changing paradigms shit. Jhon was the biggest hater of some of the Beatles songs because he also knew the greatness that they acchieved with their masterpieces.
Looks John liked bobs early version of get up stand up. I'd say John loved bob and whalers a lot and it influenced his own later work. He like those early takes of get up stand up. I'm going to g to listen to both and see for myself
Marley was the master blaster
As a big fan of both the Beatles and Bob, I think you have it right. John Lennon was an opinionated SOB. He always reacted in the moment, and overstated his case. As you say, it's very common for fans to latch on to the original sound of an artist, and lose interest when it changes. So this isn't really to be taken seriously.
I think the reason he didn't like Paul's "Obladi Oblada" was that it was such a watered down version of real reggae, with lame lyrics. But he did come up with its piano intro.
Lennon was critical of his own band
Who is Anyone, to Judge ANOTHERS Music?! We All have our Specials!! Just LUV...❤
Enough said. King was a natty dread. Bob was always 100 out of 100 and that is why he was and will always be the King of Reggae. John Lennon as a solo artist could never be compared to Bob as a singer or song writer because Bob's body of work and influence is greater. The Beatles compared to Bob Marley and The Wailers does not even come close. End of conversation and this is going to everyone throughout every nation. Bob Marley was the best to ever do it and still is.
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