@@jmangames5562 lol It's not real 4090 performance. It's going to be with frame generation which probably adds noticeable input lag. Nobody is going to want to use it in games where you want to react with any speed. Realistically the 5080 will be more in line with the 4090s rasterization performance. And I don't have a 4090 I have a 6950xt.
@@oceyho Not fake. Jensen said that such performance improvements are NOT possible without DLSS4 and GDDR7. AI rendering is the future of gaming. I really don't want to see any CS Go benchmarks with these cards. That information is worthless to me.
@@dyspnoe586 Well kinda... As graphics and games become more complex using silicon for more raster (or ray traced) rendering would not have helped as much as using that silicon for AI frame generation. It's the right trade off for modern games that will use DLSS4. CS:GO won't run much faster but it's already over 700 average FPS at 4K, and just doesn't need any more performance.
It's still decent uplift without the frame gen BS. It's just not the miraculous uplift the marketing team wants you to think it is. When you get 25-30% more performance for slightly _less_ cost that's still good news and a far cry better than the 4060ti, 4070, and 4080s poor value. And if Reflex 2 works even half as well as they claim you just might _want_ to finally enable frame gen sometimes.
The fact that people are shrugging over $1000 for an 80-class card is exactly what Nvidia was hoping for. Conditioning everyone to think that's acceptable and okay. I'll pass.
Exactly! They cooked us good. I'm sticking with my 4070 Super, which is fine for GTA 5 at 4k, which is all I play from time to time anyway, lol. I only finished Half-Life 2 Ep. 2 during the lock down, ha, ha.
@@BlockThrone Yup! I rock a 6800XT, so I'm right there with ya. Not much to worry about in terms of performance. The ultra high-end is so obscenely powerful, I honestly don't know if there is a point to upgrade from like... even a 3080 other than the Vram limitation...
Uhh nobody never said it had more rasterization performance than the 4090. Were u even listening to the man on stage or do u just have comprehension problems? He literally said it couldn't be done without AI 💀
Fun fact: The jacket is actually end user neural-push rendered with 0.0 Watts drawn. It is all powered by tears and crushed hopes of naive gamers and pure schadenfreude from *Jensen - Bringer of Harmageddon.*
I think I'll buy one used in 3 years. My 3080 is still doing great at 2k res, and modern AAA titles are slop so I really don't need a better GPU to run games that I won't buy.
Very wise decision. There are 10’s of thousands of games that you can play, thousands are entertaining and a massive amount you haven’t played yet. They are also available for cheap. Cheers 🍻
@@LprogressivesANDliberals you mean the 5090? I was fortunate to get a used SuprimX Liquid 4090 for $1325 on FB Marketplace when everyone was selling in anticipation for the 5090. I'll hold onto it for a long time or until the pump dies lol.
It's all relative. When you take into account the pathetic uplift we saw with 40/7000 series like the 4060ti and 7800xt I'm just glad they didn't _raise_ prices more. No one ever expected the 5090 to magically see a price cut, but the rest of the stack isn't terrible when it looks like you'll see a respectable 25-30% uplift when the frame gen BS is turned off. Why is everyone acting like that's a _bad_ thing? In the world of Bidenomics where gas is $4 a gallon and eggs are $6 a dozen we'll probably never see a $300 mid range GPU again.
What country are you from im from sweden and graphic cards cost around 300 dollars more than in USA and remember that this is before tarrifs, taxes aftermarket cards and more. The cheapest cards with the worst cooling and overclocking probably cost as much as they say but every other card will probably cost more
@ That’s crazy. I’m in Japan. It depends on the card. At the midrange (what I pay attention to) everything is about 150~200 dollars more expensive than the US. At the top end I think it’s closer to the 30 mark like you said. But salaries are so depressed in this country that we earn a fraction of what US workers make.
I can't decide if it's depressing, or comical, how easy it is for our community to succumb to marketing hype. 5070=4090 is obviously not raw performance.
Mostly I see people being critical of it and pointing the very thing out that you are pointing out in regards to performance, so I don't know... which community are you referring to?
looking at the comments and the "pricing isn't that bad actually" makes me understand how the US was able to elect someone like DT twice, even after a failed first term...people will easily be persuaded by a b/s narrative
@@anthonyp9591 The only other choice we had was Kamala... THAT would have been a disaster. I'm retired Air Force and I despised this past four years. I'm excited to be an American again. Oh, and I'm getting the 5090 on day one! I'll have a cheap 4090 for sale... lol
@@randytaylor4766 Not sure how Kamala would be a disaster especially since it is Biden who pulled us out of the disaster that was DJT. Inflation in the US outpaced inflation worldwide. Statistically, Biden put the US in a better position than it was previously, so not really understanding all of the hate at Kamala. Her whole campaign was about unifying the country, while the other side was preaching divisive rhetoric. I can't see myself dropping $2000+ on a GPU but there are always those people that will and Nvidia knows this and prices accordingly
Not the price we expected to be $2500 or more? Or the other gpus at their pricing, which are ALL below last gen price? Or 3x framegen? Or dlss improvements which is simply a better tech than FSR? Find a bright side in life.
The pricing of this announcement was so inoffensive after all of the speculation, further improvements to DLSS is promising, the hardware leap from the 40 series to the 50 series architecture is much greater than 30 to 40.
Lol 4090 performance at $549. There's no way the hardware gimped 5070 is doing that. That's only with DLSS 4 and multi frame gen. Fake performance. Doesn't count. Fake frames are shit and they always will be. Full of latency and artifacts. Nvidia just uses these cheap, gimmicky, overrated, scam AI technologies to try and justify cutting corners on the hardware and raw performance. Obviously, deranged fanboys will still defend Nvidia for this.
I still think the FPS is bogus in frame generation. So, people now judge a card totally based on FPS. Nvidia figures this out and simply generates extra frames and then count's them. That is not a real measure of FPS because it's pumped up with fake frames. That falsely causes gamers to go for the fake frame GPU's.
A good thing to keep in mind is that MSRP doesn't say much when it comes to nvidia products. Even taken VAT into account, they ended up being priced (much) higher in the past.
@@Bojcha76 hasn't that thing had like 50 stealth revisions since the 40 series launched 🤣 Definitely keep peeping at Pwer supplies and seeing new revisions every few months it seems
The max power draw of the new standard is 600w and the card is 575w so it technically should be fine. My 4090 almost never reaches its TDP of 450 so I assume even though it can draw that much power, it won't in most cases. Just need a good power supply and cables and for the love of God don't use adapters.
The fact that they shrank the board on their FE cards makes flexing and cracking even less likely. AIB 4090s can be at great risk of pcb bending if not supported. But tbf, their last FE pcb designs were already small.
Normal (read: expensive) pricing tells me that we'll actually get 5-10% rasterization performance. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the 70 model was less than 5% since the MSRP is lower.
Nvidia performance slide on their site shows roughly about 35% uplift for 5070 vs 4070 in Plague Tale Requiem (*the only benchmark without DLSS4 on 5000 series turned on, so basically the only one worth looking at). So if you consider that 4070 Super is already ~15% faster than 4070, seems like 5070 should be 20% faster than 4070 Super and about the same performance as 4070 Ti Super (but with only 12GB VRAM, which is a deal breaker for me anyway). This is of course if we are to believe Nvidia's slides.
nobody wants 12 gig cards any more, 8 is barely enough already. everything needed a 4 gig bump from 40 series, if that had happened the 50 series would have been much more compelling.
@@kosmosyche sad but RT could be making a Big Big difference and we don't know if that Neural stuff is able to kick in. Its simply too early to look at a single game and extrapolate. Remember DLSS still has frame gen and that might also be improved. There are too many variables for Nvidia's numbers to be trusted. Wait for HUB or your other favourite benchmarker to do their stuff first. But I hope you are right, really I do, as it might make it worth upgrading my current setup.
It was more or less the same with the 4070Ti. I think the -70 Ti will almost always be the best bang/buck option for someone willing to spend some real cash without going nuts. That said the 5080 not being over 1000 makes it theoretically tempting.
Idk, a used 4090 sounds better if its under 1k, unless you want dlss4. Depends on the performance, if its really gen on gen uplift. If a 5070ti can't beat a 4080, well idk.
The whole 5070 = 4090 will be untrue depending on how you look at it. They claimed the same for 4070 vs 3090. They most likely turned on all the bells and whistles (DLSS 4 performance boost, Framegen, etc) on the 5070 and just had a no bells and whistles 4090 and then the performance is roughly the same just like the 4070 vs 3090. Still nice perfomance on a less than 600$ card, but once you turn on all the bells and whistles on a 4090, you will see it most likely still blows the lowest tiers cards out of the water. I would not be surpriced a 4090 with everything turned on will be close to a 5080 stock settings or in the middle between a 5080/5070 just like the 3090 was in the middle of 4080/4070
GPU prices are absolutely ridiculous. Im starting to consider a new hobby. I just dont get excited anymore about technological advancements in games and the additional cost each seems to cause. I still enjoy playing some older games proving to myself good game play is superior to pretty graphics.
Venture off to photography like I did. Cameras from 10 years ago can still take great pictures, and good lenses never get outdated. There are people like me who seek lenses made as late as the 1960s to adapt them on modern cameras achieve great results. a €2k lens will never get outdated and you'll be able to use it for decades. Also this hobby gets you to get out the house, and met a lot of people through it. Servicing broken vintage film cameras or lenses is heaps of fun also, and very cheap.
@@zuldo8577 Wait what? When did this happen? Who knew you didnt have to only buy the most expensive. Mind blown.........Thank you Captain Obvious. I dont know what we would do without your incredible insight.
@asmallphd9648 Not how many, but how fast it does calculations. But I was more wondering what those calculations was for, and what part of the card does it? Is there a dedicated processing unit for the "AI" part? Or can that part of the gpu be used for non-ai stuff if AI frame generation is turned off? I would rather have native frames running smoothly at 100fps than blurry, dlss4, AI genreated, 300 fake frames.
I noticed that the improved performance is with RT enabled. Its very suspicious that there were no plain raster comparisons. Given how Nvidia are saying what the improvements to RT performance are it looks like improvement in plain raster may be as little as a big fat zero.
Those prices are just theoretical. Almost nobody will actually be able to buy a 5090, 5080, or 5070Ti at MSRP. Maybe a 5070, but only because it lacks sufficient VRAM.
that 5070=4090 claim is an incredibly dishonest and misleading statement. it would have been better to say that dlss4 is so good that it can buff a lot the 5070 when applied, to make clear that its the dlss4 technology what is a great improvement, instead of the 5070 card itself, which looks to be around 25% increase over the 4070, which can't even match the 4080.
I do think there's some merit to the idea that they're so poised to make literal billions upon billions of dollars with the industrial AI and robotics stuff that they more-or-less don't need to make a whole lot from the classic GeForce market and it's essentially just important to have them out there so that people can work with AI stuff at home.
I think it's more a case of they can't just take over 100% of TSMC 😂 No, no. They'd tripple down of datacenter orders then probably. And still only toss scraps towards "anyone not ordering in bulk."
I was curious so went and had a look at their financials. $35b revenue of which $30.8b came from data centre, $3.3b from gaming and AI PC's (they don't break those out into separate categories as far as I can see). Still comfortably the second highest of their four segments (the other two each come in just under $500m revenue). No breakdown on profit numbers but they're definitely a data centre company first and foremost these days. Of course while they've got effectively no competition at the high end the gaming revenue is effectively free money. Keeping that category going also diversifies their risk to a degree but I'd love to see how everything breaks down on margins etc. I do wonder if the biggest threat to them in gaming isn't another high end competitor at all but mid to low end hardware becoming good enough for the vast majority of gamers. Speaking as someone who ended up running a dual Voodoo 2 setup back in the day I genuinely can't see a reason these days to go anywhere near the top of Nvidia's product stack, the visual improvements simply aren't there to justify the cost IMO.
In the past, it wasn't unusual for the new xx70 series cards to match the previous gen's xx80 Ti or xx90 series cards. But given how obsessed Nvidia is with AI everything now, they seem to have changed the metrics to get to that point altogether. If you're going to say the 5070 has 4090 levels of performance because you're using DLSS + Multi-frame gen (while also testing with RT on), then you should also let the 4090 use DLSS + regular frame gen to compare the two. Oh, and run them both at 4k to prove your 12GB of VRAM is up to snuff. Nvidia says their new DLSS & frame gen models make it so you now use less VRAM, so let us see how it stacks up with other cards at 4k.
Im mu country The RTX 4090 cost between $1800 and $2400 (in recent months) as there hasn't been more stock, now the minimum is between $2500 and $3000 hahaha, so I will definitely buy a 5090 because it will be much cheaper.
prices are insane but also very stable. you wont lose much, if anything, if you got a 4090 at release and sell it now. doubt that will be any different when you get a 5090 now, there wont be anything around that could touch it.
Maybe I am in the minority, but I don't want fake frames, I don't want fake resolutions, and I sure as hell don't want any AI. I want a graphics card purely for gaming, as outdated as this seems to be lately.
Highly doubt it. They've been stockpiling these units for 4 months and cut production of 40 series. This is going to be a flooded market to get it all out before tariffs.
Wait a minute. According to the graphs on the website, the image generation speed using Flux dev on the 5080 and 5090 is actually doubled. This would mean one of two things: 1. Their FP16 performance is actually twice that of the previous gen card 2. They introduced native FP8 datatypes and get twice the throughput on those If they actually have twice the FP16 flops, this is truly a massive upgrade. edit: 4090 already had FP8 support, so it's gotta be actually doubling performance of low-precision datatypes.
@@MaddJakd My bad. FP8 was introduced with rtx 4000 which I didn't know of. I'm not sure if they would actually introduce a 4-bit datatype, so I will assume this is actually fp8 vs fp8 performance, meaning that has actually doubled.
@Alice_Fumo I'm assuming FP4. Definitely been hearing A LOT of how that improves things in that world, so presumably Nvidia would be all over it for their latest. Could be FP8 tricks too I guess
@@MaddJakd While model weights are often quantized to 4 bit, I am relatively sure you can't directly calculate with that precision, as in that context, a scale factor and zero offset of the current layer is saved along it. The actual math is done at higher precision by converting the values back to real numbers instead of relative ones. Imagine adding together 4096 values at 4 bit precision and not expecting overflows or numerical instability.
Unfair to compare the 8800 GTX to the 5090. More appropriately you would compare the 8800 GTX at $599/$935 to the 5080 at $999. And you would compare the 8800 Ultra which debuted at $829/$1292, to the 5090 at $1999. However, the 8800 Ultra was only about 10% faster than the 8800 GTX. While I'd be willing to bet that the 5090 is at least 30% faster than the 5080. If you match that same price scaling of an additional $230 2007 dollars per 10% performance increase, then comparatively that value in todays dollars would be $2009.
After the PC community speculated absurd prices for sometime, all it accomplished was to make Nvidia seem generous in slightly undercutting those still absurdly high pricing structure. The 5070 continues the kneecapping tradition of insufficient vram for premature obsolescence. The 5070 is really a 5060 with a $200 premium. The whole stack should be reduced by $200 to truly be a fair value. As it stands, still paying more with diminishing advancements in raw performance.
It's sad and ridiculous for us in Australia.... $4,019 AUD for the 5090 for us, we don't get FE's so it will likely be $4,200 AUD and above for actual brand card for us, big ouch! If the 5080 was at least 20GB vram, then the upgrade from my 4080 would be worth it and a good price, but for the same vram (even though it may be double the performance, we will wait and see) I might be skipping the 50 series all together I think, which sucks because I was excited for the 5090, but at that price for us Aussies is just painful.
@ Oh I know, but at least it’ll be a giant leap from the 40 series rather than from 1 series to the next, plus, I only did my build 12 months ago, so by the 6090 I’ll be able to save up the $$$$ and justify the price and upgrade
Yeah pricing here sucks like our dollar. I was hoping the rasterization performance increase over the 4090 would be much higher, as without DLSS frame generation working in VR, it would more than make up for the performance loss in MSFS 2024 for high resolution VR headsets. Guess I might be sticking to my 4090, we shall see.
Availability is relatively good though in Australia, and there is a tendency to have price drops/deals here when you might not even be able to buy on in the states.
@@FusionDeveloperthat amount of vram would make it a workstation card, gaming and consumer activities don't need anywhere near that much. Running AI models and other activities that need the VRAM aren't meant to be done on consumer cards. But yeah, the price is definitely a, "we don't have real competition so we can charge what we want" prices.
That 5070 will be at best 10% quicker in pure raster performance than the 4070. More likely no quicker with it all being hidden by MFG and DLSS. As for the product stack itself, plenty of room for 5080 TI, super and 5070 super.
As a 3090 user I’ll wait until a 5080ti with decent vram or get a secondhand 4090, it’s crazy that the whole point (as far as my small brain can tell) of newer cards is to run 4k which is where vram starts becoming more important with good settings and the only series to actually get a vram bump is the highest end 90
5070 will equal 5060 super probably lol. They're using DLSS to fudge the numbers. Different settings will destroy the accuracy of any benchmark. I don't understand how they get away with that. Real frames are different than hallucinated ones that have a heavy cpu task too.
Too many nvidiots that ONLY buy nvidia and don't consider any other options. Besides, with the gains nvidia gets from AI, we gamers are not going to get anything good.
I'm glad I'm still enjoying playing 10+ year old games on my 10+ year old system. With prices the way they are I am not going to be buying anything until I have to.
the whole frame generation discussion reminds me of what happened to the TV world some years ago where they also introduced frames in between to "smoothen" the playback. ultimately many movies where shot in 24 frames per second but somehow they rendered them into more than that. they called it motion-something at sony or Philips for example. Basically more FPS but the basic data was usually 24 FPS. GPU makers are starting to do the same.
Agreed. TVs do this with cinematic smoothing. AI can make entire videos off of a few words of text. If we can’t see a noticeable problem with it, then who cares.
@@mikezappulla4092 TV's can do this because adding 200ms latency and looking many frames ahead is irrelevant to them. It's easy to create frames if you know not only what the next frame looks like, but also a dozen frames ahead. Doing the same while gaming isn't going to work. Trying to predict the future results in a smeary mess.
I get a lot of the pessimism out there, but when you strip away the frame gen marketing BS it looks like you're still getting a respectable 25-30% uplift while slightly _lowering_ prices. Why are so many people acting like that's a _bad_ thing? No one expected the 5090 to magically see a price cut, but the rest of the stack is notably better than what 40 series offered. If you're a 4090/5090 buyer congratulations. You're getting no worse value than before at a slightly higher performance level. For the other 95% of us that DO have a budget to stay under we finally have some GPUs we might actually _want_ to buy. And if Reflex 2 works even half as well as they claim you just might be able to turn on the frame gen gimmick in some games. We need to be realistic. If you're one of the people I see here that thinks $550 is ridiculous for a 70 class card and they'll magically drop to the $300s again if you just "hold out," go buy a console. In this Bidenomics world of $4/gal gas and $6/doz eggs you're never seeing $300 mid range GPUs again. It's literally been 10yrs since the 970 launched at $320. What are you still holding out for? I hate GPU prices as much as anyone but what you want and what you should _expect_ are 2 very different things. $800 5070. Gamers: I knew it! $700 5070. Gamers: It should be $600 $600 5070. Gamers: It should be $500 $550 5070. Gamers: It should be $450 $450 5070. Gamers: It should be $350 No matter what Nvidia charges you're going to be unhappy. When many people thought the 2070 wasn't that bad because it gave you 1080ti performance for $500, $550 for a 5070 isn't a terrible price for a GPU that's sure to be 2.5 _times_ faster. It's a damn sight better than the the 4060ti and 4070 that gave you *no* performance per dollar uplift, or the 4080 that actually gave you _worse_ value being 49% faster but 71% more expensive.
oh look, the prices are just as shyt as we all thought they would be, but some people are pretending these prices are good. Frogs in slowly heating water they are.
Real world Prices... 5090... $2400+ 5080... $1250+ 5070 Ti... $900 5070 .... $650 Have fun Overpaying!! If you can even find one when then launch!! LOL!
Dude I dread to think how much one of them will cost in Australia considering Donny's BS trade tariffs are going to make our dollar so friggin low as it targets China's economy
same energy as people saying 4070 super is as good as a 3090. except 3090 is basically a 3080ti but with 24GB vram instead of 12GB vram. So 4070S is as good as a 3080ti. 5070 may get 4090 frames, but what use are they if you only have tiny 12GB vram in 2025?
Frame gen is such a gimmick it is not smooth at all , they should focus on DLSS , I would rather turn off RT and get 120hz than use frame gen to get 120hx with RT on any day
I am just starting a build. I was also thinking of an rtx4090 but I refuse to pay the scalpers prices. I’ll purchase a 5080 when they first come out before the price go up 500.00 overnight
They didnt really focus on much beside those post-boot optimization features, I wonder if we will ever get a conference focused on the non-ai hardware features ever again.
It's not as good as it could be at best, but let's be honest, it's a lot better than the doom and gloom that has been going around recently, and honestly a pretty decent set of cards at this point if the pricing were to stay as they present. They didn't bump up the pricing, even came down a bit. That's the complete opposite of what I expected.
Can't wait to get the 5080 upgrading from a 3060 Ti, I have a friend who works at Micro Center who will put one aside for me all I have to do is wait in line and pick it up on release day.😁
People have been slowly walked into accepting these ScamVidia prices since 30 series where they found out people will pay for any price. So each generation they increased and claimed prices high due to other people and they release so many different skus of the same type of card with different configurations. Flood the market with piece meal increases or decreases confuse the consumer. The whole Ai thing is just annoying and leads me too think this will lead to many game studios continuing on the lazy train of not optimizing games and just letting the GPUs run with settings that should be a option not a necessity. We are going down a route of BS, Scamming, slop, lazy game studios that don't optimize their games, etc. I hope AMD & Intel and their GPUs continue to do well and force competition onto ScamVidia so they get off of their high-horse and actually have reasonable prices not lets milk people dry prices. AMD as well I couldn't stand their naming scheme this gen and Ai crap thrown in, Intel needs to comeback so they can give competition to AMD and we get progress and actual changes and consumers get good prices. I am not a fan of any of the three but at this time I won't go Intel for CPU or Nvidia for GPU.
@@Unordinary-lg4yt I'm not upset at not having the new RTX if that is what you are implying. I'm just stating how things seem to have been going in a direction of you own less pay more. And how that model is moving into other fields not as a 1:1 but similar model. Take for example Space Marine 2, people are complaining that the expansions and content that they are adding isn't fast enough and it isn't timed only. People are being trained into accepting their dollar spent has a time limit and you should be happy with that. If you disagree, you are fine to do so. I appreciate your comment on my thoughts.
@@VelcroSnake93 well tbh i think its slightly overpriced but only slightly but the 4090 is way overpriced and not worth it at all, only 15-20fps difference between itself and the 4080super in 4k for £1000 extra. Now we have a 5080 which i think might be on par with the 4090 for 1000 with all its new features like DLSS4 and the new frame gen i think its a very good deal. I have not upgraded my gtx1080ti but i will this year with the 5080
With everyone happy about the prices, it seems like the price anchoring tactic with the top spec card is working. What would've been the 5080 sku is actually missing entirely. The 5080 is actually the 5070 for $999, the 5070 Ti is actually the 5060 but for $750, and everything below that has too little VRAM to matter. The "20% perf bump" confirms this, instead of the usual 30%, because it's like the skus all getting shifted down one.
Here's hoping the new generations will suppress pricing on some of the older stuff...a 3060 12GB is plenty for my needs, so anything that makes it cheaper is a win for me.
Those pass-thru fans though, I wonder if that will be better for the over all system. Less resistance for the flow, but that is going to be a lot of hot air in the case. Better have lots of case fans.
Is the 5090 the complete max out die? Is there potentially a 5090 ti or titan on the way? I dont wanna sell my 4090 and get the 5090 only to have another card come out thats 5 to 10% better 😢 and have to take a loss on the 5090 to get the better one.
@ got a strix 4090 here. Let the whole bubble of “5070=4090” burst when reviewers get to benchmark then sell at a decent price for a 5090 december 2025! Plus you dont want to be a beta tester for a card that pulls 575w. Could be a new case of melting connectors
If I can really get a 5070 ti for $750 then I will be building a new PC in 2025.. I am doubtful though.. One thing I am sure about is how ugly that jacket was..
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All the $2500 price leaks were to just get us comfortable with the still higher $2000 pricing.
A 600$ RTX 5070 for a 1500$ RTX 4090 power is fine for me.
It's not real 4090 performance though. Not rasterization wise. It's probably the same fps performance with the use of AI and dlss 4.0.
@@alexh7513 USD600 for fake frames. yum.
@@T.K.9I take it you have a 4090 and are mad for 550$ people can match it in gaming in most AAA games?
@@jmangames5562 lol It's not real 4090 performance. It's going to be with frame generation which probably adds noticeable input lag. Nobody is going to want to use it in games where you want to react with any speed. Realistically the 5080 will be more in line with the 4090s rasterization performance. And I don't have a 4090 I have a 6950xt.
Jensen pulled out the Captain Taiwan shield 😂
Between that, the jacket, and the brainlette comment "everyone has a $10k pc at home". I seriously think he has started his bond villan arc.
Jensen declaring he will defend Taiwan with Nvidia against any outside intruders
@@ChinchillaBONK he was talking about 4090 users. Not "everyone"
😅😂😅
I spotted my drink while reading this, thanks for the laugh
It's like when you're given good news and then take a closer look at the fine print...
Yeah its 100% fake, probably like last time (3090 vs 4070) they compared the 4090 with every software help off vs the 4070 with every help on.
@@oceyho Not fake. Jensen said that such performance improvements are NOT possible without DLSS4 and GDDR7. AI rendering is the future of gaming. I really don't want to see any CS Go benchmarks with these cards. That information is worthless to me.
@@ericmatthews8497 ah yes, performance is so poor that we have to rely on AI to fill the holes
@@dyspnoe586 Well kinda... As graphics and games become more complex using silicon for more raster (or ray traced) rendering would not have helped as much as using that silicon for AI frame generation.
It's the right trade off for modern games that will use DLSS4. CS:GO won't run much faster but it's already over 700 average FPS at 4K, and just doesn't need any more performance.
It's still decent uplift without the frame gen BS. It's just not the miraculous uplift the marketing team wants you to think it is. When you get 25-30% more performance for slightly _less_ cost that's still good news and a far cry better than the 4060ti, 4070, and 4080s poor value. And if Reflex 2 works even half as well as they claim you just might _want_ to finally enable frame gen sometimes.
The fact that people are shrugging over $1000 for an 80-class card is exactly what Nvidia was hoping for. Conditioning everyone to think that's acceptable and okay. I'll pass.
Exactly! They cooked us good. I'm sticking with my 4070 Super, which is fine for GTA 5 at 4k, which is all I play from time to time anyway, lol. I only finished Half-Life 2 Ep. 2 during the lock down, ha, ha.
@@BlockThrone Yup! I rock a 6800XT, so I'm right there with ya. Not much to worry about in terms of performance. The ultra high-end is so obscenely powerful, I honestly don't know if there is a point to upgrade from like... even a 3080 other than the Vram limitation...
Until the devs make mandatory RT game with MFG only to hit 60fps then you will realise you have to upgrade
Yeah, not interested in this crap at all.
Consumers just plain stupid anymore.
Remember when games used to have actual frames?
Before 3Dfx ? VGA games ?
do they not?
Yeah, Raw power is costing too much on the hardware side. A modern GTX 1080 would be a 6 slot card and have its own power brick :D.
AI is generating entire videos these days based off of a few words of text. I think it will be just fine.
@@mikezappulla4092 wth does that have to do with his comment?
Yeah, there’s zero chance the 5070 has rasterization performance equal to a 4090. If it does, I’d be both shocked and impressed.
Uhh nobody never said it had more rasterization performance than the 4090. Were u even listening to the man on stage or do u just have comprehension problems? He literally said it couldn't be done without AI 💀
Even if it’s similar to 4080 that would still be very impressive, but even that is way to optimistic
zero chance
@@504Treycalm down. Nvidia isnt going to send you a free GPU or some company stock
it wont. it will only have 4090 levels of performance when you have dlss4 and all that AI shit active.
Jensen drained a ton of snakes to sell that Snake Oil and then turned all the drained snakes into his jacket.
Fun fact: The jacket is actually end user neural-push rendered with 0.0 Watts drawn.
It is all powered by tears and crushed hopes of naive gamers and pure schadenfreude from *Jensen - Bringer of Harmageddon.*
I think I'll buy one used in 3 years. My 3080 is still doing great at 2k res, and modern AAA titles are slop so I really don't need a better GPU to run games that I won't buy.
Very wise decision. There are 10’s of thousands of games that you can play, thousands are entertaining and a massive amount you haven’t played yet. They are also available for cheap. Cheers 🍻
Paul, Nvidia now has us saying "Some of these prices seem somewhat reasonable."
And that's when we gotta be like "Nah LOWER IT!" I am not upgrading
@ZinoAmare agreed
Most 40 series cards were above msrp except the basic models. I am assuming the same for the 5000 series.. the 4090 will probably be 2200$
@@LprogressivesANDliberals you mean the 5090?
I was fortunate to get a used SuprimX Liquid 4090 for $1325 on FB Marketplace when everyone was selling in anticipation for the 5090. I'll hold onto it for a long time or until the pump dies lol.
It's all relative. When you take into account the pathetic uplift we saw with 40/7000 series like the 4060ti and 7800xt I'm just glad they didn't _raise_ prices more. No one ever expected the 5090 to magically see a price cut, but the rest of the stack isn't terrible when it looks like you'll see a respectable 25-30% uplift when the frame gen BS is turned off. Why is everyone acting like that's a _bad_ thing?
In the world of Bidenomics where gas is $4 a gallon and eggs are $6 a dozen we'll probably never see a $300 mid range GPU again.
If its that price in the US, its gonna be insane in my country
What country are you from im from sweden and graphic cards cost around 300 dollars more than in USA and remember that this is before tarrifs, taxes aftermarket cards and more. The cheapest cards with the worst cooling and overclocking probably cost as much as they say but every other card will probably cost more
@ That’s crazy. I’m in Japan. It depends on the card. At the midrange (what I pay attention to) everything is about 150~200 dollars more expensive than the US. At the top end I think it’s closer to the 30 mark like you said. But salaries are so depressed in this country that we earn a fraction of what US workers make.
It’ll be higher just like the 40 series. The basic gigabyte model might be msrp or the FE but all cards will be 50-200$ more expensive
@@corkmarsThat still looks better than Brazil, which is usually 2x the price 😢
I can't decide if it's depressing, or comical, how easy it is for our community to succumb to marketing hype. 5070=4090 is obviously not raw performance.
Mostly I see people being critical of it and pointing the very thing out that you are pointing out in regards to performance, so I don't know... which community are you referring to?
@@oldmatttv pc gaming community.
looking at the comments and the "pricing isn't that bad actually" makes me understand how the US was able to elect someone like DT twice, even after a failed first term...people will easily be persuaded by a b/s narrative
@@anthonyp9591 The only other choice we had was Kamala... THAT would have been a disaster. I'm retired Air Force and I despised this past four years. I'm excited to be an American again. Oh, and I'm getting the 5090 on day one! I'll have a cheap 4090 for sale... lol
@@randytaylor4766 Not sure how Kamala would be a disaster especially since it is Biden who pulled us out of the disaster that was DJT. Inflation in the US outpaced inflation worldwide. Statistically, Biden put the US in a better position than it was previously, so not really understanding all of the hate at Kamala. Her whole campaign was about unifying the country, while the other side was preaching divisive rhetoric. I can't see myself dropping $2000+ on a GPU but there are always those people that will and Nvidia knows this and prices accordingly
The 5090 being way smaller is the only good thing...
🎉 I can finally add a 230V circuit and fit 5 cards in a common workstation motherboard!
Not the price we expected to be $2500 or more? Or the other gpus at their pricing, which are ALL below last gen price? Or 3x framegen? Or dlss improvements which is simply a better tech than FSR? Find a bright side in life.
The pricing of this announcement was so inoffensive after all of the speculation, further improvements to DLSS is promising, the hardware leap from the 40 series to the 50 series architecture is much greater than 30 to 40.
Depends. I doubt many AIB Partners will make such Cards. I think they wont.
@@gamist8166 they leaked a 2.5k price point so you ignore being cucked at a 2k price point 😭
RIP native gaming. :(
welcome to future brokie
They sell more with AI than with raster performance
@@Teilerderden ironic that its made cheaper for specifically non native gaming, so wdym brokie 😂
@@Teilerderden your profile photo tells me everything I need to know
Lol 4090 performance at $549. There's no way the hardware gimped 5070 is doing that. That's only with DLSS 4 and multi frame gen. Fake performance. Doesn't count. Fake frames are shit and they always will be. Full of latency and artifacts. Nvidia just uses these cheap, gimmicky, overrated, scam AI technologies to try and justify cutting corners on the hardware and raw performance. Obviously, deranged fanboys will still defend Nvidia for this.
I still think the FPS is bogus in frame generation. So, people now judge a card totally based on FPS. Nvidia figures this out and simply generates extra frames and then count's them. That is not a real measure of FPS because it's pumped up with fake frames. That falsely causes gamers to go for the fake frame GPU's.
Yup, if those frames don't convey more information or lower input latency, then they don't count in my book.
A good thing to keep in mind is that MSRP doesn't say much when it comes to nvidia products. Even taken VAT into account, they ended up being priced (much) higher in the past.
Bingo and agreed. The 40 series were all over msrp except the basic models over their life time. The 5090 will be 200$ minimum more expensive
Nobody talks about how will that same 1 connector work with 600w card
Nuclear meltdown impending doom 😂😂
@@Bojcha76 hasn't that thing had like 50 stealth revisions since the 40 series launched 🤣
Definitely keep peeping at Pwer supplies and seeing new revisions every few months it seems
@@MaddJakdno
The max power draw of the new standard is 600w and the card is 575w so it technically should be fine. My 4090 almost never reaches its TDP of 450 so I assume even though it can draw that much power, it won't in most cases. Just need a good power supply and cables and for the love of God don't use adapters.
and being a 2 slot?? how in the hell is that gonna cool 575w
The fact that they shrank the board on their FE cards makes flexing and cracking even less likely. AIB 4090s can be at great risk of pcb bending if not supported. But tbf, their last FE pcb designs were already small.
Normal (read: expensive) pricing tells me that we'll actually get 5-10% rasterization performance. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the 70 model was less than 5% since the MSRP is lower.
Nvidia performance slide on their site shows roughly about 35% uplift for 5070 vs 4070 in Plague Tale Requiem (*the only benchmark without DLSS4 on 5000 series turned on, so basically the only one worth looking at). So if you consider that 4070 Super is already ~15% faster than 4070, seems like 5070 should be 20% faster than 4070 Super and about the same performance as 4070 Ti Super (but with only 12GB VRAM, which is a deal breaker for me anyway).
This is of course if we are to believe Nvidia's slides.
nobody wants 12 gig cards any more, 8 is barely enough already. everything needed a 4 gig bump from 40 series, if that had happened the 50 series would have been much more compelling.
@@kosmosyche sad but RT could be making a Big Big difference and we don't know if that Neural stuff is able to kick in. Its simply too early to look at a single game and extrapolate. Remember DLSS still has frame gen and that might also be improved. There are too many variables for Nvidia's numbers to be trusted. Wait for HUB or your other favourite benchmarker to do their stuff first. But I hope you are right, really I do, as it might make it worth upgrading my current setup.
We are going to have to be happy with AI gen frames, and pray they do not take it away or pay wall the AI gen frames.
if i was to buy one, it would probably be the 5070 Ti
Same here. The 5070Ti is a fair price to performance
Looks like the sweet spot...at least on the surface from what we know.
It was more or less the same with the 4070Ti. I think the -70 Ti will almost always be the best bang/buck option for someone willing to spend some real cash without going nuts.
That said the 5080 not being over 1000 makes it theoretically tempting.
Idk, a used 4090 sounds better if its under 1k, unless you want dlss4. Depends on the performance, if its really gen on gen uplift. If a 5070ti can't beat a 4080, well idk.
The 4GB of vram version
The whole 5070 = 4090 will be untrue depending on how you look at it. They claimed the same for 4070 vs 3090.
They most likely turned on all the bells and whistles (DLSS 4 performance boost, Framegen, etc) on the 5070 and just had a no bells and whistles 4090 and then the performance is roughly the same just like the 4070 vs 3090.
Still nice perfomance on a less than 600$ card, but once you turn on all the bells and whistles on a 4090, you will see it most likely still blows the lowest tiers cards out of the water. I would not be surpriced a 4090 with everything turned on will be close to a 5080 stock settings or in the middle between a 5080/5070 just like the 3090 was in the middle of 4080/4070
thats obvious for everyone with brain
I don't mind. I've had a 1070 ti 👍
@@herkadoo5519 same i have 1070 ti
@@GB_Rishad why upgrade it ? good enough for u !!!
I wouldnt be surprised if the 4090 still is better than the 5080
Appreciate your coverage. Got a chuckle out of the crew of 15 people LTT brought to Vegas while you and Joe do a lot of coverage with only 2 people.
GPU prices are absolutely ridiculous. Im starting to consider a new hobby. I just dont get excited anymore about technological advancements in games and the additional cost each seems to cause. I still enjoy playing some older games proving to myself good game play is superior to pretty graphics.
PSA: you dont need the best GPU
Venture off to photography like I did. Cameras from 10 years ago can still take great pictures, and good lenses never get outdated. There are people like me who seek lenses made as late as the 1960s to adapt them on modern cameras achieve great results. a €2k lens will never get outdated and you'll be able to use it for decades. Also this hobby gets you to get out the house, and met a lot of people through it. Servicing broken vintage film cameras or lenses is heaps of fun also, and very cheap.
@@zuldo8577 innit lol, everyone acting like you NEED to buy the latest gen of hardware day one.
@dr_diddy never do. Not even the games usually. I game and benefit from all the improvements, patches, and driver updates. Too much to play as is.
@@zuldo8577 Wait what? When did this happen? Who knew you didnt have to only buy the most expensive. Mind blown.........Thank you Captain Obvious. I dont know what we would do without your incredible insight.
Prices before tariffs
Theres no proof these will be affected. Not all countries will be affected the same if at all. We like Taiwan because China hates Taiwan.
But… but they were eating the dogs… the TV man said it. Aw shucks ☹️
XD
XD
You did it. You said orange man bad for everyone to see. Where should we send your trophy?
What does even "4 petaflops of ai performance" mean? I'm lost
how many calculations are being done
@asmallphd9648 Not how many, but how fast it does calculations. But I was more wondering what those calculations was for, and what part of the card does it? Is there a dedicated processing unit for the "AI" part? Or can that part of the gpu be used for non-ai stuff if AI frame generation is turned off? I would rather have native frames running smoothly at 100fps than blurry, dlss4, AI genreated, 300 fake frames.
@@johanlahti84 66 million jiggatorks of rastigial masterclock performance. Big fancy words with big numbers = sell more product.
I would be 100% happy with 100-120 fps on 4k ultra gaming in games. I don't want to see 360 FakeFPS
I noticed that the improved performance is with RT enabled. Its very suspicious that there were no plain raster comparisons. Given how Nvidia are saying what the improvements to RT performance are it looks like improvement in plain raster may be as little as a big fat zero.
My kingdom for Nvidia to actually show base rasterization performance.
I haven't bought a card since GTX 1070. When they say available January 30 is that the date it's available for preorder?
Micro Center on their Twitter account said that there will be 5090 and 5080 in stock at the store on the date of 1/30/25
Zack
Why daddy needs a gaming PC ????
Those prices are just theoretical. Almost nobody will actually be able to buy a 5090, 5080, or 5070Ti at MSRP. Maybe a 5070, but only because it lacks sufficient VRAM.
Reference models. Its always been this way sense everyone called them out for trying to sell their reference models for more than non reference.
Bibgo! The 4090 was hardly never at 1600$ 😂 during the life of it. Usually 1800$ or more so I expect the same thing for the 5000 series.
These are FE MSRP. AIB will always cost more
@@hameed You missed the point. These will quickly sell out and/or be scalped.
@@rangersmith4652 I didn’t miss the point at all. MSRP is MSRP
What scalpers choose to sell products for isn’t MSRP
that 5070=4090 claim is an incredibly dishonest and misleading statement.
it would have been better to say that dlss4 is so good that it can buff a lot the 5070 when applied, to make clear that its the dlss4 technology what is a great improvement, instead of the 5070 card itself, which looks to be around 25% increase over the 4070, which can't even match the 4080.
I do think there's some merit to the idea that they're so poised to make literal billions upon billions of dollars with the industrial AI and robotics stuff that they more-or-less don't need to make a whole lot from the classic GeForce market and it's essentially just important to have them out there so that people can work with AI stuff at home.
I think it's more a case of they can't just take over 100% of TSMC 😂
No, no. They'd tripple down of datacenter orders then probably. And still only toss scraps towards "anyone not ordering in bulk."
I was curious so went and had a look at their financials. $35b revenue of which $30.8b came from data centre, $3.3b from gaming and AI PC's (they don't break those out into separate categories as far as I can see). Still comfortably the second highest of their four segments (the other two each come in just under $500m revenue). No breakdown on profit numbers but they're definitely a data centre company first and foremost these days. Of course while they've got effectively no competition at the high end the gaming revenue is effectively free money. Keeping that category going also diversifies their risk to a degree but I'd love to see how everything breaks down on margins etc.
I do wonder if the biggest threat to them in gaming isn't another high end competitor at all but mid to low end hardware becoming good enough for the vast majority of gamers. Speaking as someone who ended up running a dual Voodoo 2 setup back in the day I genuinely can't see a reason these days to go anywhere near the top of Nvidia's product stack, the visual improvements simply aren't there to justify the cost IMO.
Growing the market for their real business, it's an advertising side business now
will wait for you guys to review them.... Thanks :)
8:13 Where's the link you said would be in the description.
In the past, it wasn't unusual for the new xx70 series cards to match the previous gen's xx80 Ti or xx90 series cards.
But given how obsessed Nvidia is with AI everything now, they seem to have changed the metrics to get to that point altogether.
If you're going to say the 5070 has 4090 levels of performance because you're using DLSS + Multi-frame gen (while also testing with RT on), then you should also let the 4090 use DLSS + regular frame gen to compare the two.
Oh, and run them both at 4k to prove your 12GB of VRAM is up to snuff. Nvidia says their new DLSS & frame gen models make it so you now use less VRAM, so let us see how it stacks up with other cards at 4k.
I knew when he said 5070 was the same level as 4090 at gaming it was a lie period..5070 12gd ddr7 192bit vs 24gb ddr6 314bit...like hell
Nvidia website says January 30th release for 5090 and 5080 and Feb for the 5070
The fact that they said the 5070 was as fast as the 4090 made me LOL, now that is some wishful thinking.
4090's are now discontinued. Don't expect to see them on the cheap used. you'll still be paying $2k for one and probably closer to $3k for a 5090
Im mu country The RTX 4090 cost between $1800 and $2400 (in recent months) as there hasn't been more stock, now the minimum is between $2500 and $3000 hahaha, so I will definitely buy a 5090 because it will be much cheaper.
prices are insane but also very stable. you wont lose much, if anything, if you got a 4090 at release and sell it now. doubt that will be any different when you get a 5090 now, there wont be anything around that could touch it.
4090s are all over market place for 1000 1300 right now
@@djbpresents9584 LOL, probably the whole 5070 = 4090 LIE induced massive panic to those who do get it.
Maybe I am in the minority, but I don't want fake frames, I don't want fake resolutions, and I sure as hell don't want any AI. I want a graphics card purely for gaming, as outdated as this seems to be lately.
Same, same
I just want performance. I dont care how its cooked in the background.
That said, my only worry is compatibility with games.
fake resolutions? The image you are looking at is a fake too lol
Some people take videogames too serious
I don't think you're in the minority, but you'll get shouted down by Nvidia fans and Nvidia marketing.
I cant wait for the 5090 benchmarks
It'll be $2000 for scalpers, $2500 to $3000 for actual customers.
Only one year to have normal prices just like RTX 4090 were sold out for some years
Better make friends with some BestBuy tech sales people. Before the scalpers do
That hotel in the background looks like a cybertruck just ran into it.
Pure art, Cybertruck + Hotel
The price leaks were deliberate and orchestrated by nVidia so when the actual price is revealed it appears to be good value.
Who In their right mind is gonna spend that money on a gpu with marginal gains
Everyone. That's how Nvidia grew the way it did. Fools spending thousands on 4090s and 3090s just for clout.
whales, tech bros, people with more money than brains
aka average nvidia consumer lol
people with money who want the best performance regardless of value
Great video! Keep it coming. Informative.
You can easily add over 30% to the RRP with scalpers and low stocks worldwide, for the coming months!!!
Highly doubt it. They've been stockpiling these units for 4 months and cut production of 40 series. This is going to be a flooded market to get it all out before tariffs.
Honestly even if this card was 4000 I'd buy it every second I save editing and rendering i make more 😂
@@levigoldson yeah IIRC AMD and NVIDIA ramped up production hard to beat the tariffs. Hopefully it's enough
Noticed the power plugs in on an angle now as well.
Wait a minute. According to the graphs on the website, the image generation speed using Flux dev on the 5080 and 5090 is actually doubled. This would mean one of two things:
1. Their FP16 performance is actually twice that of the previous gen card
2. They introduced native FP8 datatypes and get twice the throughput on those
If they actually have twice the FP16 flops, this is truly a massive upgrade.
edit: 4090 already had FP8 support, so it's gotta be actually doubling performance of low-precision datatypes.
FP4
@@MaddJakd My bad. FP8 was introduced with rtx 4000 which I didn't know of.
I'm not sure if they would actually introduce a 4-bit datatype, so I will assume this is actually fp8 vs fp8 performance, meaning that has actually doubled.
@Alice_Fumo I'm assuming FP4.
Definitely been hearing A LOT of how that improves things in that world, so presumably Nvidia would be all over it for their latest.
Could be FP8 tricks too I guess
@@MaddJakd While model weights are often quantized to 4 bit, I am relatively sure you can't directly calculate with that precision, as in that context, a scale factor and zero offset of the current layer is saved along it. The actual math is done at higher precision by converting the values back to real numbers instead of relative ones.
Imagine adding together 4096 values at 4 bit precision and not expecting overflows or numerical instability.
Nice timing Paul!
nvidia had the lead back in the day too 8800 GTX was $599 adjusted for inflation that's $935.18. The 5090 is $2000.
Unfair to compare the 8800 GTX to the 5090. More appropriately you would compare the 8800 GTX at $599/$935 to the 5080 at $999. And you would compare the 8800 Ultra which debuted at $829/$1292, to the 5090 at $1999. However, the 8800 Ultra was only about 10% faster than the 8800 GTX. While I'd be willing to bet that the 5090 is at least 30% faster than the 5080. If you match that same price scaling of an additional $230 2007 dollars per 10% performance increase, then comparatively that value in todays dollars would be $2009.
Bots/scalpers and low supplies will not let msrp be a thing for a long time.
Jensen jacket "Gator or Crocodile"...
After the PC community speculated absurd prices for sometime, all it accomplished was to make Nvidia seem generous in slightly undercutting those still absurdly high pricing structure.
The 5070 continues the kneecapping tradition of insufficient vram for premature obsolescence.
The 5070 is really a 5060 with a $200 premium.
The whole stack should be reduced by $200 to truly be a fair value.
As it stands, still paying more with diminishing advancements in raw performance.
It's sad and ridiculous for us in Australia.... $4,019 AUD for the 5090 for us, we don't get FE's so it will likely be $4,200 AUD and above for actual brand card for us, big ouch! If the 5080 was at least 20GB vram, then the upgrade from my 4080 would be worth it and a good price, but for the same vram (even though it may be double the performance, we will wait and see) I might be skipping the 50 series all together I think, which sucks because I was excited for the 5090, but at that price for us Aussies is just painful.
FYI, 6090 won't be cheaper
@ Oh I know, but at least it’ll be a giant leap from the 40 series rather than from 1 series to the next, plus, I only did my build 12 months ago, so by the 6090 I’ll be able to save up the $$$$ and justify the price and upgrade
Yeah pricing here sucks like our dollar. I was hoping the rasterization performance increase over the 4090 would be much higher, as without DLSS frame generation working in VR, it would more than make up for the performance loss in MSFS 2024 for high resolution VR headsets. Guess I might be sticking to my 4090, we shall see.
lol_stralia
Availability is relatively good though in Australia, and there is a tendency to have price drops/deals here when you might not even be able to buy on in the states.
Good luck getting hold of one of the higher-end models (for us mere mortals at least)
These prices are still ridiculously high. 2K for a consumer graphics card? You must be mad.
Unless it has 128gb or 256gb VRAM.
@@FusionDeveloperthat amount of vram would make it a workstation card, gaming and consumer activities don't need anywhere near that much. Running AI models and other activities that need the VRAM aren't meant to be done on consumer cards.
But yeah, the price is definitely a, "we don't have real competition so we can charge what we want" prices.
600$ for the power from a 1500$ sounds fine for me.
@@alexh7513 Dont be taken in by cleaver vague marketing speak.
Exactly.
Water blocks are going to be nice and small for these cards.
More VRAM or it's a waste.
That 5070 will be at best 10% quicker in pure raster performance than the 4070. More likely no quicker with it all being hidden by MFG and DLSS.
As for the product stack itself, plenty of room for 5080 TI, super and 5070 super.
Welcome to NVidia GPUs, where the frames are made-up and the MSRPs don't matter.
ROFL. 1 million points!
As a 3090 user I’ll wait until a 5080ti with decent vram or get a secondhand 4090, it’s crazy that the whole point (as far as my small brain can tell) of newer cards is to run 4k which is where vram starts becoming more important with good settings and the only series to actually get a vram bump is the highest end 90
The more you buy the more you save.
Feels like i should wait another gen to upgrade my 3080ti
5070 will equal 5060 super probably lol. They're using DLSS to fudge the numbers. Different settings will destroy the accuracy of any benchmark. I don't understand how they get away with that. Real frames are different than hallucinated ones that have a heavy cpu task too.
Too many nvidiots that ONLY buy nvidia and don't consider any other options.
Besides, with the gains nvidia gets from AI, we gamers are not going to get anything good.
it looks to be about 20%-30% better than the 4070 without the fake frames
@@Malachai000 Where you get those numbers from?
Paul does love the Venetian/Palazzo! Grate rooms!
I will record myself eating shit if 5070 can be equal to 4090 without that dlss 4.0 bullshit
You're safe, then.
I'm glad I'm still enjoying playing 10+ year old games on my 10+ year old system. With prices the way they are I am not going to be buying anything until I have to.
the whole frame generation discussion reminds me of what happened to the TV world some years ago where they also introduced frames in between to "smoothen" the playback. ultimately many movies where shot in 24 frames per second but somehow they rendered them into more than that. they called it motion-something at sony or Philips for example. Basically more FPS but the basic data was usually 24 FPS. GPU makers are starting to do the same.
Agreed. TVs do this with cinematic smoothing. AI can make entire videos off of a few words of text. If we can’t see a noticeable problem with it, then who cares.
@@mikezappulla4092 TV's can do this because adding 200ms latency and looking many frames ahead is irrelevant to them. It's easy to create frames if you know not only what the next frame looks like, but also a dozen frames ahead. Doing the same while gaming isn't going to work. Trying to predict the future results in a smeary mess.
Don't forget scalpers and the extra cost of AIB's they will be way up there.
32GB at 1.8TB/sec is insane, $2000 for that sounds about right
I get a lot of the pessimism out there, but when you strip away the frame gen marketing BS it looks like you're still getting a respectable 25-30% uplift while slightly _lowering_ prices. Why are so many people acting like that's a _bad_ thing? No one expected the 5090 to magically see a price cut, but the rest of the stack is notably better than what 40 series offered.
If you're a 4090/5090 buyer congratulations. You're getting no worse value than before at a slightly higher performance level. For the other 95% of us that DO have a budget to stay under we finally have some GPUs we might actually _want_ to buy. And if Reflex 2 works even half as well as they claim you just might be able to turn on the frame gen gimmick in some games.
We need to be realistic. If you're one of the people I see here that thinks $550 is ridiculous for a 70 class card and they'll magically drop to the $300s again if you just "hold out," go buy a console. In this Bidenomics world of $4/gal gas and $6/doz eggs you're never seeing $300 mid range GPUs again. It's literally been 10yrs since the 970 launched at $320. What are you still holding out for? I hate GPU prices as much as anyone but what you want and what you should _expect_ are 2 very different things.
$800 5070. Gamers: I knew it!
$700 5070. Gamers: It should be $600
$600 5070. Gamers: It should be $500
$550 5070. Gamers: It should be $450
$450 5070. Gamers: It should be $350
No matter what Nvidia charges you're going to be unhappy. When many people thought the 2070 wasn't that bad because it gave you 1080ti performance for $500, $550 for a 5070 isn't a terrible price for a GPU that's sure to be 2.5 _times_ faster. It's a damn sight better than the the 4060ti and 4070 that gave you *no* performance per dollar uplift, or the 4080 that actually gave you _worse_ value being 49% faster but 71% more expensive.
oh look, the prices are just as shyt as we all thought they would be, but some people are pretending these prices are good. Frogs in slowly heating water they are.
These prices are great 😂 ur just poor
"people can afford things, therefore they are stupid"
The price of the 5070 is what I paid for my 4070 so I guess thats a good thing but I’m betting we will never see one at that price.
Real world Prices...
5090... $2400+
5080... $1250+
5070 Ti... $900
5070 .... $650
Have fun Overpaying!! If you can even find one when then launch!! LOL!
Scalpers already sniffing around like bloodhounds. Can only imagine how much x% they will raise those prices.
Dude I dread to think how much one of them will cost in Australia considering Donny's BS trade tariffs are going to make our dollar so friggin low as it targets China's economy
@@KingofKran Not sure what's worse, The Scalpers or the Idiots that buy these cards at Scalper Prices!? LOL! 🤔🤦♂🤦♂😂
@@bigal2688 someone out there has definitely purchased an RTX 4090 for 3000+ in the past month. Wonder what they think of the new launch.
@@bigal2688 they stopped producing them, but he needs them still now, fancy old cards, LOL !!!!!!!!
same energy as people saying 4070 super is as good as a 3090.
except 3090 is basically a 3080ti but with 24GB vram instead of 12GB vram.
So 4070S is as good as a 3080ti.
5070 may get 4090 frames, but what use are they if you only have tiny 12GB vram in 2025?
Frame gen is such a gimmick it is not smooth at all , they should focus on DLSS , I would rather turn off RT and get 120hz than use frame gen to get 120hx with RT on any day
Agree. DLSS is great, FG is trash. Too many artifacts and just feels wonky with the input lag.
I am just starting a build. I was also thinking of an rtx4090 but I refuse to pay the scalpers prices. I’ll purchase a 5080 when they first come out before the price go up 500.00 overnight
They didnt really focus on much beside those post-boot optimization features, I wonder if we will ever get a conference focused on the non-ai hardware features ever again.
It's not as good as it could be at best, but let's be honest, it's a lot better than the doom and gloom that has been going around recently, and honestly a pretty decent set of cards at this point if the pricing were to stay as they present. They didn't bump up the pricing, even came down a bit. That's the complete opposite of what I expected.
Can't wait to get the 5080 upgrading from a 3060 Ti, I have a friend who works at Micro Center who will put one aside for me all I have to do is wait in line and pick it up on release day.😁
fake frames everywhere bad times for gaming
People have been slowly walked into accepting these ScamVidia prices since 30 series where they found out people will pay for any price. So each generation they increased and claimed prices high due to other people and they release so many different skus of the same type of card with different configurations. Flood the market with piece meal increases or decreases confuse the consumer. The whole Ai thing is just annoying and leads me too think this will lead to many game studios continuing on the lazy train of not optimizing games and just letting the GPUs run with settings that should be a option not a necessity. We are going down a route of BS, Scamming, slop, lazy game studios that don't optimize their games, etc. I hope AMD & Intel and their GPUs continue to do well and force competition onto ScamVidia so they get off of their high-horse and actually have reasonable prices not lets milk people dry prices. AMD as well I couldn't stand their naming scheme this gen and Ai crap thrown in, Intel needs to comeback so they can give competition to AMD and we get progress and actual changes and consumers get good prices. I am not a fan of any of the three but at this time I won't go Intel for CPU or Nvidia for GPU.
Sour grapes
@@Unordinary-lg4yt I'm not upset at not having the new RTX if that is what you are implying. I'm just stating how things seem to have been going in a direction of you own less pay more. And how that model is moving into other fields not as a 1:1 but similar model. Take for example Space Marine 2, people are complaining that the expansions and content that they are adding isn't fast enough and it isn't timed only. People are being trained into accepting their dollar spent has a time limit and you should be happy with that. If you disagree, you are fine to do so. I appreciate your comment on my thoughts.
I think the prices are actually reasonable i mean I can buy a 5080 for the same price as a 4080
That's if you think the price of a 4080 is reasonable in the first place.
@@VelcroSnake93 well tbh i think its slightly overpriced but only slightly but the 4090 is way overpriced and not worth it at all, only 15-20fps difference between itself and the 4080super in 4k for £1000 extra. Now we have a 5080 which i think might be on par with the 4090 for 1000 with all its new features like DLSS4 and the new frame gen i think its a very good deal. I have not upgraded my gtx1080ti but i will this year with the 5080
Amazing video, great news, thank you Paul.
Being that small, that's awesome! Portable gaming, VR, etc
The diagram missed out on how much power the 50s cards will draw...500w? 600? Or😮
With everyone happy about the prices, it seems like the price anchoring tactic with the top spec card is working. What would've been the 5080 sku is actually missing entirely. The 5080 is actually the 5070 for $999, the 5070 Ti is actually the 5060 but for $750, and everything below that has too little VRAM to matter. The "20% perf bump" confirms this, instead of the usual 30%, because it's like the skus all getting shifted down one.
Here's hoping the new generations will suppress pricing on some of the older stuff...a 3060 12GB is plenty for my needs, so anything that makes it cheaper is a win for me.
I was genuinely worried about Jensen at one point when he stopped and asked for water. Looked like he was about to faint.
Raster = Sanity, DLSS MFG + RT = Vanity
Those pass-thru fans though, I wonder if that will be better for the over all system. Less resistance for the flow, but that is going to be a lot of hot air in the case. Better have lots of case fans.
Is the 5090 the complete max out die? Is there potentially a 5090 ti or titan on the way? I dont wanna sell my 4090 and get the 5090 only to have another card come out thats 5 to 10% better 😢 and have to take a loss on the 5090 to get the better one.
Wait till 2026
@asadshoro2088 😔 😥
@ got a strix 4090 here. Let the whole bubble of “5070=4090” burst when reviewers get to benchmark then sell at a decent price for a 5090 december 2025! Plus you dont want to be a beta tester for a card that pulls 575w. Could be a new case of melting connectors
@asadshoro2088 i have a Dell 4090. More or a stock experience
@ wait dell made a 4090 gpu?
The card "jensen" hold up had the text RTX 5090 on it aswell showed in the close up.
If I can really get a 5070 ti for $750 then I will be building a new PC in 2025.. I am doubtful though.. One thing I am sure about is how ugly that jacket was..
Is the “shimmering look” going to be fixed with Blackwell?
Don't cry because it's over, smile because actual frames existed.
When is the review embargo lifting for rtx 5080 and rtx 5090?
Joe & Paul 👍
Nvidia pricing 👎
Where can I order my T1000 terminator? Couldn't find it on Nvidia's website.
THE REAL QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE 5090 PERFORMS ON GAMES THAT DO NOT SUPPORT DLSS OR FRAME GENERATION? EVERYONE, ASK YOURSELF THAT?