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What is wrong with you people, picking on a ten yr old show. Witch was a musical drama mainly music but did get things moving on the social problems of the day ! I can't think of an other show that had such an impact on modern society. You should hide your heads in shame !
Another issue is Mr Shuester itself. He acted like a creep since the pilot when he was stalking Finn in the showers just bc "he sang good". Also forced him to join the Glee club by threatning him with drug. Sang about fucking students, didnt know the language of the class he was teaching and mocked a whole culture telling he was teaching latino culture (which is hard to say it like that since in the Latino community there are many cultures, even in one country there can be many but details) and still showed Spanish culture. In season 5 or 6 ( I dont remember really) he tried to justify twerk between students and even dared to compare twerk with other classical dances 💀. Oh yeah, and the Marley thing in season five.
Me, My theory is Glee might be a cursed show for the actors
@@ValeriaHernandez-06 Hi! I agree with you about Mr. Schue. Personally they should have fired him after the Blurred Lines episode and been replaced with Ricky Martin’s guest star character.
I just watched a video about controversy on the Glee set & it said that Ryan Murphy was biphobic so sadly #3 makes sense.
I was disappointed that the writers treated Ryder's sexual assault like that
sexual abuse
Unfortunately that's also in real life too, you rarely hear stories about guys being sexually assaulted by a woman, and when it is addressed, it's brushed off.
The show did not use Ryder’s situation as a teaching moment, but that isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
This list ignores the shared trauma Ryder and Kitty have and the social commentary told by Sam and Arie’s reactions, plus Kitty’s friend’s parents, that many sexual assault victims are either too embarrassed to come forth, or ignored altogether.
It brought forth the idea that society treats SA victims inappropriately, or not at all. It didn’t have to have the boys learn something, because in this instance, the boys were a megaphone for society’s faults.
Could the episode benefit from them learning something more? Sure. But the show certainly did not approach it as if the boys were correct.
@@TigStripe it kinda is a bad thing so much could have been learned if they addressed and took it seriously
@@dasiareed2708 it was taken seriously, just not from a "hey, this behavior is bad" standpoint.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think the show DID say "hey, this behavior is bad," they just didn't punish Artie or Sam for it.
We saw how uncomfortable Ryder was from that response. We saw Mr. Schue attempt to stamp it down. We saw Kitty come to Ryder with "they didn't take my situation seriously, either." We saw everything EXCEPT Artie and Sam getting punished. It was just left to the audience to decide "hey, those two were jerks."
The scene with Artie and Sam was hauntingly realistic.
Marley Rose was the purest and kindest character in "Glee," and she was so likable, but she was still TREATED LIKE CRAP!
She was manipulated by Kitty Wilde into thinking that she was gaining weight, most of the Glee Club blamed her for making them lose at Sectionals because she fainted (because the Glee Club only cared about winning more than Marley's mental health, and they never called out Kitty for her manipulative actions), and while she was recovering from her eating disorder, she got suspended for not wearing a revealing outfit? That's messed up.
Poor Marley. She's one of those characters who absolutely deserved better, along with Tina Cohen-Chang and Mercedes Jones.
Honestly, Kitty’s family should have paid for Marley’s treatment…
I get this was supposed to be satire but this was cruel. Seriously even Blazing Saddles handled issues better than this. That film is almost 50 and wpuld never get made today
The early 2000s shows always show eating disorders wrong
Well, nobody knew for sure about Kitty’s manipulations. She denied to everyone except to Marley herself like 10 episodes later, and nothing suggested that Marley told anyone else after that.
@@mncdssctn9110 You're right, but after Marley fainted, wasn't Santana the only one who yelled at Kitty because she knew what Kitty was doing to Marley?
THANK YOU SANTANA.
Finn outing Santana was truly horrible
She didn't have to hit him though
it was an accident in terms of what happened afterwards so I don't think that can be overlooked and she did say some very mean things to lead to that point. I'm not saying she had it coming however I would ask what you think he should have done to get the bullying and what she was doing in that moment was bullying to stop?
@@joelroman6839I think her anger was justified
Finn outing santana was terrible and the worst part is that the show tried to make us seem like it was fair because she had been on his neck for a whole while
Bro shes a bully she deserved it
Hearing Kurt say bisexuality isn’t real was a shocker and disappointing. I wanted to think he was just angry about Blaine considering dating Rachel he said whatever he could to make sure he doesn’t
But it's a typical response from gay men, particularly at a young age, where they can't accept anything other than themselves and so see Bi as a cop out. Hardly shocking at all.
That’s how I saw it. He said what he said out of jealousy. Plus he was so young. That might not be how he actually feels
It's still toxic rhetoric to write without having a moment if someone saying
‘Hey that's not right you wouldn't be ok with someone telling you you're just going through a phase. Then why is it ok for you to tell someone their sexuality isn't valid’
Given the showrunner/ creator often writes Bi-erasure into their shows even their Lesbian storylines get crapped on more often than not
He never said it wasn't real from what I understand. He was just jealous. Here he was finally falling for someone that just might like him back, an openly gay at that. And he just might lose him to a girl. Imagine how crushing that must have felt to him. It was wrong of Kurt to act that way, but his actions were completely understandable
@@missyblack8005 It wasn't just that, in Season 3, when Kurt was trying to convince Unique not to perform in a dress and instead be as Wade, he got called out for being Transphobic. It's not that you're young when you say a comment like that, there are some Gays & Lesbian who literally feel that way when it comes to Bisexuality. On a episode of this MTV show called Faking it, the character Shane, who's openly Gay, like Karma, who's a fake Lesbian also liked this guy, who turned out to be Bisexual. But Shane, like Kurt also said the same comment that Bisexuality is a stepping stone in the coming out stage.
Whoever decided to vote Mr. Shue as Best Teacher clearly never noticed when he was an inappropriate creep. Both he and Sue and Sandy should not have been allowed to teach children
Remember the episode where sue and schue makes fun of beist weight then moments later he was furious that Rachel sends sunshine to a crackhouse (I think it's the same ep). Not only is this hypocritical but schue didn't even punish her. His expectation is for her to "make this right" honestly I'd take Rachel over schue
@@leonardolim8976 Oh completely agree. think they may be the same episode because they happen at the very beginning of the season. Rachel is not always a likeable character but it's because of Will that she's entitled because he's nurturing her talent by letting her be the star and not always letting anyone else have a chance to shine; if she has a fit, he either scolds her or lets her have her way. Meanwhile he frequently makes rude comments, does an offensive display of Spanish culture than gets mad at Santana for calling him out, twerks with his students, suspends Marley for not wanting to wear an outfit she's uncomfortable in, the list goes on. He does try to inspire his students to learn and be who they are, but he also gaslights and has awkward relationships with them.
@@AliAngelpie i mean its ok to be a Spanish teacher. The problem is schue knows squat about anything Spanish. He just took the job bc its the only one free on the spot
@@AliAngelpie i mean rachel is wayyy far from perfect but even she didn't reach creep factor/borderline offensive level as mr schue. Honestly schue deserved to see Rachel's duct-taped mouth protest for all the times schue was creepy towards his students. Rachel has some likeable/redeemable moments like when shes there for confidence boost for sunshine and even apologize for you know what. I think she at times help the glee club strive thru victory
@@AliAngelpie i mean schue has some redeemable quality like he does care for his students at times (but only if he didn't put his ulterior motive first) but there are limits to how much u care for ur students. Like for example u can be friends with ur students but dont take it to a point where u ask Finn to be your best man
About the Ryder thing : I actually think it was an honest, though upsetting, representation. Pretty sure in that pre-me Too era any straight boy would have reacted the same way Sam and Artie did, and Mr Schue, for once, did have a decent reaction to the whole thing.
However, they dropped the topic too quickly and Ryder's story with Kitty should have explored that a bit : trust issues, difficulties engaging in a sexual relationship, maybe even going to the police together or choosing not to and explaining the reason why.
Straight guys still do react like that, and that's a problem that needs to be addressed socially.
I absolutely agree. It is a realistic representation. But I did think the writers dropped the ball after. They could've made such a valuable teaching moment out of it.
Marley (a teenager) being suspended for not wearing a bra in front of everyone really left a bad taste in my mouth. I guess Schuester wasn't doing it for pervy reasons, but it's not right. I didn't understand why they didn't make her mom march in there and remind Will that the Glee Club might be his whole life, but hurting her daughter's future (with a permanent mark on her school records which could hurt her college applications later) for one freaking performance was out of line.
she also refused to wear it bc she was literally recovering from an eating disorder and will AND the glee club knew that and acted like she was in the wrong for refusing to wear it
marley’s eating disorder will never sit right with me. they all made her feel like shit about it especially when she fainted at Sectionals and it was like no one took her seriously.
I feel the same way. It’s horrible. I also just have to say that it is realistic. From personal experience, a lot people dismiss others’ mental health if it effects them in anyway. So sick. They should of made the point at the end that she shouldn’t have made her feel bad in anyway, and should have tried to get her help. If they did that, I think the storyline would have been realistic, but also teaching the audience the severity of mental illnesses’ as well as the person should not be blamed for it either.
Honestly just the ED’s on the show in general practically every single of the the ND’s had an eating disorder yet they were all handled poorly
Thanks for addressing biphobia. I haven't watched much Glee, but it's good to see biphobia addressed on a list.
It still goes on. I belong to a LGBT group on Fb and there are many people who joke that it would just be LGT “if the bi’s made up their minds” and other such comments.
Lesbians constantly telling me if I had two husbands then I’m not a lesbian. I’m straight. But the 5 women in my romantic life, “just a straight gal experimenting with a new trend”.
Bisexuality is not new or a trend I tell them but it goes nowhere.
And do not get me started with the harshness gays throw at trans people or bisexuals. It’s cruel.
It's been a minute since I watched Glee, and the biphobia hits me hard. I came out as bi to my grandparents 2 months ago, and they don't buy it since I've only dated men and gone on one date with a woman.
I wonder if Ryan Murphy is biphobic, these story lines are in most of his shows.
@@Lsaldana92 he's 100% one of _those_ gay men who think bisexuality isn't real
@@Nishanth_mementomoriI'm not surprised 😒
They handled Ryder’s dyslexia story in such a horrible way. Marley didn’t even want to postpone her date with him because she was impatient. And Ryder literally had to see someone to help him with his problem.
Finn outing Santana was awful, but I would've added Santana's body shaming of Finn to the list as well. And this is coming from someone whose favorite character is Santana. He made a horrible choice and there's no excuse for it, but he was trying to "get back" at her for her bullying, he didn't just get up one day and decided to out her out of nowhere.
Rewatching Glee right now and while I don't condone him outing her, she really pushed him hard. She was bullying everybody (focusing a lot on Finn), and not in her usual "I keep it real" kind of way. She was downright cruel. Like I said, I don't condone the outing but I have a hard time blaming him for snapping and trying to hit where it hurts (since everything else failed to tone her down).
I often think Santana body shamed him cause Finn was the last guy she slept with before she came out and was disgusted with sleeping with guys in general. He also was the guy that girls fought over more so than Puck cause he wasnt a womanizer. It is not an excuse whatsoever but I really don’t think her disgust had anything to do with him but with herself.
The reaction to Ryder's molestation still bothers me to this day. But the truth is this is a likely reaction from teenage boys, as is never getting an apology for it. He was helped by Kitty, as I think they were trying to say that only someone who had gone through it can understand.
It's also the reaction from a lot of grown men. Whenever there's a story online about a female teacher touching one of her male students, we get the "where were teacher's like this when I was in school", or "he should have just kept his mouth shut, because he's so lucky".
@@dgaller06 Yes. There would even be some who truly believe it is impossible for a man to be raped.
@@dgaller06 But you know what's really sad about that? Anytime a girl gets molested by a man, everyone's ready to be up in arms and come for the person. But if it's the other way around, and a boy's being molested by a woman, no one really bats an eye.
Ryder revealing that he was sexually assaulted by his female babysitter is something that doesn’t really get representation. Even in shows like Law and Order: SVU most of the episodes center on female victims. And Glee missed out on a potential pairing when Kitty reached out to Ryder and tells him that she knows how he feels because she reveals that a former friends older brother assaulted her.
I remember the episode of SVU where the male sexual assault case was being investigated. Detective Stabler was actively against investigating it, refusing to believe that a man could be sexually assaulted by a woman. Detective Stabler was my favorite character on the show, and I remember feeling so disappointed in him after I watched that episode.
@@dgaller06 What season was that one?
@@omarcogle1965 It was the Season 3 episode Ridicule.
@@dgaller06 I'll have to rewatch that one. Did you ever see the Season 12 episode Delinquent, where Elliot & Olivia find out about this young teenager, who's 15 and a serial rapist, and the reason he's the way he is, was that when he was younger, he was molested by his babysitter.
@@omarcogle1965 No, I think I stopped watching after Season 10.
I was utterly gobsmacked when everyone treated Ryder like he was LUCKY he got molested as a child.
Sadly, that's an all too realistic reaction when it comes to men being sexually assaulted
The biphobia in this show really affected me and my friend group in high school. I knew people who were very vocal about bi being a phase and actively agreeing that Santana deserved a lesbian gf.
I’m honestly glad it was a gay person being biphobic, because shockingly being an asshole is not hetero-exclusive (though people like to pretend it is) 😒😒😒
@@LadyLeomon oh this is so true! I’ve experienced more biphobia from in the community than out. I wish they would have shut that mind set down however.
@@Jigglypowerpuffgirl I’m genuinely sorry you had to go through that, and I wish you only good things for 2023 and beyond 🙏🏻
I remember during the original run of Will and Grace they had a comment about
Bisexuality being the bus stop on the way to gay
But when they brought the show back
They had a younger generation telling Will and Grace off for this closed mindset
Basically asking Will how did it feel when straight people told him being gay was just a phase
Because they doing the exact same thing
I’d add neurodiversity. The addition of Sugar Motta was insulting to people on the spectrum. Also, several disability advocates have called out the show for casting an able-bodied actor as a disabled character.
Can I ask what is "neurodiversity"? Someone made a rude, uncalled for commented on a Korean childrens show (TH-cam clip) about two normal young boys behaving mischieviously.
@@charliejoson9145 The way I define neurodiversity is accepting everyone, no matter what their brains are like. Granted, Glee did a good job with the cheerleader with Downs Syndrome, but when they introduced Sugar Motta who claimed to be on the autism spectrum but clearly was neurotypical and just using the disorder as an excuse to be rude, it was very insensitive.
@@charliejoson9145 I assumed it was referring to inclusion of people with mental disabilities. I actually DO have the form of autism that used to be called "Asperger's" and when Sugar appeared and used it jokingly as an excuse to just passively say whatever she wanted I found it extremely offensive and in bad taste toward people with autism, and the show just shrugged it off for laughs.
@@PrinceTrexus - this is why some Americans who watch international shows with young children as the central focus should not freely throw out ridiculous diagnosis since they're just watching a Korean [entertainment] television show and they quickly judge based on the children's common unruly behavior.
Also thank you for your explanation.
I thought Britney had some disability
Dude Marley deserved SO MUCH BETTER!! Girl literally never did anything to anyone and somehow everyone still found some way to shit on her the whole time
In the episode "Grilled Cheesus," I thought the other characters were pretty disrespectful to Kurt when he revealed he was an atheist. When Mercedes took him to her church near the end, even if it was well-intentioned, I still felt like she was trying to push her religion onto him.
Say it louder
I.... wow. I swear Glee really was just watered down trying to appease everyone but keeping it christian.
i feel like thats kind of realistic though, a lot of people are insanely disrespectful to atheists.
Omg yass...
glad i’m not the only one who thought it was kind of gross
Marley being suspended for feeling uncomfortable with sexy costume is totally messed up. Personal agenda my a--. If schue ask me to be nude, i mean shirtless i can do if i have muscles, ill pick being suspended instead
Glad her actress has gone on to better things and i haven't seen much of the show beyond clips on youtube.
It was for not feeling comfortable in a sea shell bikini. It's even more messed up when you realize they had changed what they were going to do with the calendars for Artie to be comfortable but couldn't do the same for Marley.
@@XCityOfClockWorkAngelX well yeah but same thing. It's provocative. I mean sure it's enticing but the school has limits/jurisdiction and schue clearly violated the dress code
Her issue was with dressing as Gaga, period, not the specific costume. She could’ve used any of Gaga’s non revealing outfits and it would’ve been fine, but instead she ignored the assignment and made a point to dress as Katy because she feels more like a Katy than a Gaga.
@@mncdssctn9110 EXACTLY
As a bisexual person I found it so offensive they put Brittana back together not even addressing Santana and Kurt Biphobia against Brittany
Me. Shue had multiple red flags on the show like Twerking with the students and saying “Your all minorities”
Yes! Can we talk about their handling of race and racism? Santana rightly calls out Mr. Shue for being a Spanish teacher who doesn't speak Spanish, and for playing into stereotypes of the Latine community. Then in her performance, which is supposed to be an example of "authentic" Latine culture, she sings "La Isla Bonita"...by Madonna. Um... I'm sorry. Madonna is the height of authentic Latine culture?
@@cv8499 even Madonna would raise ab eyebrow
Or what about the one time he sexually harassed Sue by grinding all up on her and singing "Tell Me Something Good"?
coach beiste was GREAT trans representation!! often times those who come out later in life deny their true selves from a young age. the fact that he wanted to be seen as a woman so badly was to suppress any thoughts he had about his true self. everyone has their different journeys and they never look the same... it's important to remember that! this storyline did not come out of nowhere. sheldon was struggling with gender identity the entire time on the show. him coming out seemed beautiful for the character and it makes us understand him so much more.
Who’s sheldon?
@@jessrosefawkes2721 That's Coach Beistes name.
@@ADDButterfly Thank you for letting me no that, I stopped watching glee half way through but looks like I need to catch up. Thank you for your comment x
The problem was not Beiste coming out as trans, it's that it undermined the earlier plot line that she did feel like a woman inside and was never treated as one because of the way she looked or the fact that she liked traditionally masculine things like football. It was a good commentary about gender norms and traditional gender roles, which they then threw away by implying that if a person looks or acts masculine, they're really a guy.
Also, the actress that portrayed Coach Beiste isn't trans, so that was problematic too. If her earlier desire to be seen as a woman was just part of her truly being trans and fighting against it, that could have been addressed in the plot, but it wasn't. And for such a sensitive topic aimed at mostly young teens, that would really need to be more explicit. Instead it just felt like clumsy retconning. If the intention had always been for the character of Coach Beiste to eventually come out as trans, it would've been great if the part had been played by a trans actor or at least to have been given clearer signs along the way.
no… Coach Bieste’s transition was clearly not planned throughout the show and obviously added in there just for the sixth season. It felt like an afterthought
Plus, having a trans man played by a cisgender woman is wrong on so many levels. There are so few trans roles in media. Those that do exist should be played by trans people (they managed it just fine with Unique.)
There were some positives, like the support Coach Bieste got from everyone around him and I agree there should be rep for people who realise they’re trans later in life. And I know that this plot line was probably well meaning, it was just done VERY badly
I disagree with Ryder being on the list at 9:45. The whole point of that storyline was to point out the hypocrisy in SA cases. It was showing the reality that male victims face
Completely agree since in media female victims are given more focus which is unfair to male victims who are afraid to ask for help because they won't be believed and will only be judged.
It shouldve still had the men be held accountable though I think the point is to show the negative aspect and how we should all learn not to do that. I do understand what you mean though.
Agree. The story was always going to be messy, as the topic is messy. It would have been worse if the storyline was wrapped up in a nice little bow with all offenders getting arrested.
Yeah but still it wasn't right to make the other two comment "you are lucky" or smn like that. Men who have really been molested may probably feel like their expiriences dont matter if media gives them this kind of messages. With such topics, is important the way they send their message or how the people perceive it
@@ValeriaHernandez-06 Yes, we all felt disgusted by their reaction, because we were supposed to.
The Britney breakdown episode was hard to watch for me even back then.
The Teen Pregnancy was handled pretty badly!
How it handled Trans issues was uneven. Some parts were great, but others were bad.
The Biphobia was BAD!
The mistreatment of Ryder has aged so badly!
I never forgave Kitty's character for what she did to Marely! She should have been kicked out of Glee club!
Glee was groundbreaking in some ways, but far from perfect. I can still appreciate some of what it accomplished.
There are no perfect shows out there but I'm grateful for glee for covering issues like these when nobody said a thing about them
The best way to describe Glee is "for entertainment purposes only". I'm not very knowledgeable on all the LGBTQ+ stuff personally, but even while watching this during airing I knew there were some heavy mistakes in representation of tolerance and understanding. I can't name a single character that was a good role model for anything more than 50% of the time. Everyone had their major wtf moments, and WAY too much was used for humor instead of real life relateability.
Yep definitely
There's a lesson in this: ALWAYS do research
I was seriously offended by the Marley thing. Kitty supported her eating disorder and was never punished for it. She fainted on stage during sectionals and instead of being concerned they were all mean to her and blamed her for losing. It was so unfair. How about a little compassion?
Overall, Glee handled Marley's character very poorly. She was probably the nicest and most pure of heart character but the writers made it their mission to dump on her character every chance they got. Kitty encouraged her to have an eating disorder and then when she passes out from said eating disorder during a competition everyone gets mad and Marley and blames her and they show no concern for her. Kitty basically gets away with what she did. Later on the creep of a teach Mr Shue punishes her because she won't wear a revealing outfit she clearly states she is uncomfortable in.
The biggest problem with Glee is that nothing really means anything. Nothing has any lasting impact. No matter how hard they try to talk about serious topics it will never carry any real weight because we know it will only last an episode. Stories are moved on from quickly and never addressed again so there are never any consequences for anyone or anything.
What a time to be alive cuz even as a viewer at the time of airing I knew they handled these wrong especially the Britney episode & the ED they stuck with me the most
So the show can be summed up as everyone is selfish and awful and learns nothing but it's fine because they sing their cares away
Exactly
Yeah that's call humanity.
That's culture
I really hated that the show mocked Britney breakdown 🤬
A Few Honorable Mentions: When Kurt's dad has a heart attack and everyone gets mad at him because he doesn't believe in God
Cheating in relationships: From the minute Quinn cheated on Finn, almost every Glee relationship had one cheating on the other, which sadly is sometimes the case, but not that many freaking times geesh.
Sam being a teen stripper, they insulted him several times, when Blaine said "It means I'm not for sale" and when Sam asked Marley if she thinks he feels comfortable dancing up their shirtless and she responds "Yeah you do!" Or something like that
When Kurt gets attacked by homophobes in New York. The episode was called Bash so you expect the episode to center on what happened to Kurt and how they're handling the aftermath, right? No. We yet Rachel drama, Mercedes and Sam drama, which honestly could have been an episode on its own, and then we got to the attack and then everyone at the hospital, Blaine singing to Kurt (which kills me everytime) then Burt talking to Kurt, and then Kurt is released from the hospital, I just feel they could have handled it better
Oh wow I remember that first one. They really messed up representing that everyone has their own beliefs and religions. Christianity is the largest religion in America, but there are plenty of people who are not Christian. They shouldn’t have tried to convert Kurt, but should have had respect for his pov and comforted him about his dad.
I dunno, I feel like on that first one his friends were right to be mad at him - he spent the whole episode telling them their god isn't real, he's not gonna believe in fairytales, etc. The doubling down and trying to "help him find faith" was one thing, but they're a little justified in being mad when he's screaming at them half the episode 😆
And for 'Bash' we do get more of that in later episodes, tbf - he displays some signs of trauma/PTSD a couple times and uses the incident as a catalyst for some of his personal changes and improvement. Still agree that the episode itself could have covered more though.
The worst cheating in my opinion was when Quinn and Finn were sneaking around behind Sam's back. In my opinion it's the worst because of Finn being involved. Finn, someone who knows what it feels like to have his girlfriend sneak around with his friend, did that exact thing to someone else. He acted like he was Sam's friend, while getting with Quinn behind his back.
@@dgaller06 omg that made me so mad! I was like Finn you know what it's like to get cheated on, so how could you do that to Sam, someone who's considered you a friend!
Even I thought they handled Ryder's being molested badly and I'm not terribly good about noticing that kind of stuff. It always bothered me that Marlie never thought to check if her dress was still the right size, but just assumed she was gaining weight.
Her dress was being altered. I mean you can look to see if it got switched with anyone else's, but it wouldn't even occur to most people to check the garment itself for changes in size. Why should it? Outside of occasional shrinking in the dryer (which wouldn't happen repeatedly on the same garment), clothing doesn't just get smaller by itself.
Funny how Sam thought it was cool that he was molested by an older woman but he slutshamed Artie?
I’m stumped that a perceived weight issue is considered worse than a little boy being assaulted by a woman he trusted!
I'm gay and was outed in high school but I couldn't feel bad for Santana when she was. Before being bullied as a teen for my sexuality I was bullied more as a kid for being the only overweight one in my family. I was bulimic and sixteen years after high school I continue working to not fall back into it. I would've included the mishandling of body shaming on Glee because that too can have long-term effects on a person. It was immature of the writers to think it was funny or acceptable to make frequent weight jabs at a guy like Cory because he wasn't shredded with 6% body fat like the other guys. He was at a perfectly healthy weight but was still called lumps/orca/tubs even in season 4 when he was at his thinnest and in the Quarterback episode after he died. Santana set the stage for this conflict by repeatedly exploiting Finn's biggest weaknesses/insecurities unprovoked and airing them publically to humiliate and demean him so he did the same to her. People in this world will walk all over you if you let them, kindness is too often perceived as weakness so sadly there are times you have to get up and fight in a way you don't prefer instead of staying down while someone keeps kicking you. Men especially are put in a no-win situation when a woman physically or verbally abuses them, they're expected to just take it but the second she gets a taste of her own medicine only then it suddenly becomes an issue and this conflict between Santana and Finn is a great example of that double standard. And being gay doesn't mean you have a protective bubble around you and can get away with treating others terribly without being held accountable. Gay or straight if you're putting ugliness out in the world it will come back to you. If you choose to go around hurting others with the intention of dehumanizing them, getting off on the fact that you successfully put them down because your own self-esteem sucks, then don't be surprised when the same treatment is directed at you because your words could be what pushes someone already in great pain over the edge. She also told Rory to do everyone a favor and just disappear which is unforgivable to me. I know this topic hits differently with everyone, and being outed absolutely can be a traumatic experience. But it's just as wrong how often the effects of Santana's behavior are diminished in this situation
I absolutely agree. While Finn shouldn't have stooped to Santana's level of cruelty and outed her, I hated that because she was outed (and again, I don't condone what Finn did) everyone ignored the fact that she was being a cold-hearted bitch to Finn for no reason and the awful way she treated Rory. Not to mention in season 2 when she threatened to out Karofsky if he didn't agree to be her beard and run for prom king&queen with her (whether or not she would have actually done it, idk, but even just threatening to out him was wrong)
Kurt had more problems than just biphobia. He also was super predatory towards Finn and not respectful of Finn's heterosexuality. Then when Finn got mad about it, Finn got in trouble, not Kurt.
More than a year later Kurt's dad finally brought it up again and admonished Kurt for his behavior, but it was a single line that was very easily missed, and Kurt didn't grow as a character, he just was into Blaine instead.
He used a homophobic slur.
@@vanessastegall Okay, and?
Is that somehow supposed to negate all the predatory stuff Kurt was doing to him?
So let me ask you this. Kurt had a huge crush on Finn therefore he went for it 🤷🏽♀️ doing thing she thought would get Finn to possibly like him now Rachel also had a huge crush on Finn and went to great lengths to get him including telling Finn he wasn’t the father despite that not being her place and more but I bet you ship Finchel right ? And see no problem with Rachel doing what she did ? Correct ? But it’s wrong when Kurt did it because he’s gay so what he’s doing is wrong and gross because Finn doesn’t swing that way
@@KaitlynJ18 It's wrong when Kurt does it because there is no situation where Finn falls in love with him because Finn isn't gay.
It was gross, but not because Kurt's gay (I'm gay), it's gross because Kurt refused to accept anyone else's sexuality.
It would be just as gross if Finn had pressured Kurt to date girls.
@@kodahansen8080 So you answered my question then it’s wrong bc Kurt is also a guy and it’s okay that Rachel did all the drastic things she did to get Finn because she’s a girl. Regardless on if you’re gay yourself or not you see it the same way someone that’s most likely homophobic does.
You see Kurt who’s got his first crush and would love to have Finn as his boyfriend despite knowing he mostly likely won’t get Finn he still tries anyway and leaves it be in the end. Then you see Rachel who doesn’t give a crap that Finn has a girlfriend and goes on two dates with him and kisses him not once but twice and then proceeds to do all possible to find out if he is actually the father of his girlfriends baby. Rachel then tells Finn that he isn’t the father simply so that she can have him to herself.
Now if Kurt had done all the want crazy drastic things to get Finn and even possibly had a shot would be STILL be wrong ?? Or would you think it’s okay bc he has a mega crush on this boy who he may have a shot with
As someone who's bi, I just want to say that I don't believe Kurt was truly biphobic. Does that mean I agree with what he said/believe he had any right to say it? HELL no. But I understand why he said it.
Blaine had only ever portrayed himself as gay to Kurt, and Kurt looked up to him as a role model as he didn't know anyone else that was gay like him (that he knew of). He was also frustrated, because both Blaine AND Rachel knew about his crush on Blaine at this point and to him, it was like a slap in the face, as if Blaine was saying "I'd rather date a girl than you 🤷♀" and Rachel was saying "I know you're crushing on this guy and you're my friend, but I'm gonna date him anyway 😊". So when he found out Rachel asked Blaine out and Blaine said yes, he lashed out and said things he didn't mean. Teenagers are hormonal, emotional, and impulsive; Kurt verbally lashing out because of teen heartbreak isn't that farfetched. He hasn't shown signs of being biphobic at any other point in the series that I can remember; in fact, he's very accepting and supportive of Brittany, who is an established bi character.
Was he completely in the wrong for his comments to Blaine? ABSOLUTELY. He could have handled it a lot better and without being hurtful to the bi community. But do I understand why he lashed out? Yes.
Now, we could go on about the creators' failure to include more bi rep outside of just Brittany (or any additional sexualities outside of lesbian and gay), but that's a whole other can of worms lol.
Well, it seems that there is one thing that "Glee" got right, and it's that any kind of bullying behaviour in school is not appropriately punished.
Biphobia is a real thing... lots of gay men don't care for bi dudes.
I am Asexual and I don't care for either of you guys.
Same with straight people too
I remember loving the show for having such a wide arrangement of issues and stuff, but I forgot how poorly they actually executed those.. Like some of them could have turned into heartbreakingly beautiful moments if they were resolved or supported later or properly ._.
The biphobia breaks my heart the most. Also Ryder telling his story like wtf was up with that?
imo kurt wasnt biphobic he was just really jealous and didnt want blaine to go for rachel but in the end it was all poor writing
The story that always irked me was when Quinn was in that car accident and left in a wheelchair because she was Texting and Driving. 2 or 3 episodes later she gets out of the wheelchair on stage at Prom and walks again. I don't recall her fellow students reacting at all. But this story really grates my cheese.
They never did a good job teaching consequences.
Great video!
Thanks for sharing!
Honestly I think a storyline about her not recovering and learn to accept her new disability would have been a more powerful storyline.
There it just seems so pointless. Just a reason to stop Rachel and Finn's wedding.
To put this in honest words, Glee, despite being released in the late 2000's, will always be more iconic for teens growing up in the 2010's due to its majority running through the decade. But especially seeing how many episodes from the decade tried to use serious issues, the TV Teen Drama Show can have a mix bag when doing it. Does anyone agree that LGBT social issues was often a mixed bag for the show on some occasions sometimes?
Maybe. Did like how they didn't go the predictable route with burt hummel hating that his son is gay. Also, bonus points for karofsky's dad for not being a reason he can't come out of the closet since his dad wasn't on dave's side when he bullied kurt
Really the issue is Glee would take on these really big issues and then drop them just as quickly. Like with Ryder and Sam’s dyslexia. Remember that? Glee doesn’t. The structure and tone of the show wasn’t equipped to bear the weight of the stories they wanted to tell- it just didn’t stop them from doing it anyway.
I'll never get over the fact that Artie and Sam were never called out for literally congratualting Ryder for beeing a victim of child abuse. For once the show decided to be realistic and they did it with sexual abuse victims not beeing taken seriously?
Oh yeah. What's strange to me is that no one called them out for their reaction. I don'tt mind their reaction as it is realistic, but why didn't they make a storyline where they learn they should nott have and apologize?
Turning coach Beiste into a trans man was the worst. God forbid a woman has a masculine body and likes sport, if she does, she's probably a man. At the beginning she was written as this super delicate, vulnerable and very "girly" character and it was just her appearance that made people think she was "manly". And then they decided to do a 180 and turn her into an actual man. Disgusting and offensive, both to women who don't fit the typical "feminine" standards and to trans men.
I am glad they pointed out that moment with Ryder. It always made me upset. They even did a similar thing in ER and just like Glee, the topic was pushed aside like nothing.
The original Degrassi did a better job at adressing these issues. And that was from the 80s.
I don't watch ER but I'm curious how they handled it and if it was any better. What season/episode was that?
But yeah, for Glee's case, I always hated that episode because Sam and Artie shouldn't have reacted like that. I really wish they could have at least apologized before Ryder mysteriously was no longer in the show. Considering the info only came out because Unique catfished him, and he felt he had to say something because he didn't trust Unique to keep a secret, the way that it was handled was poor from the get go.
@@frankieseward8667 it's been forever since I've seen the show so idk what episode it was. But maybe the 2 season 🤔
The handled it worse. They ended up interrupting him and then just blew off what he said and went back to their own conversation.
@@dimanimatedtakes It was an episode when some of the doctors were stranded somewhere in a building, and Carter admitted that his first time was with a maid when he was only 11.
7:19 tbh as a trans man myself there’s sometimes this “pipeline” of like not caring abt gender to “oh everyone says im a girl but anyone who says otherwise feels like kind of a threat for reasons i dont wanna explore yet, and to combat this im gonna be hyper feminine/upset when anyone points out my more ‘masculine’ traits” to “oh zamn umm maybe???” to acceptance so coach beast being defensive of being a woman is actually kinda realistic. obviously i would never expect a ny cis person to get it since it can be such a personal thing, but a lot of my trans friends have had this feeling, ive had this feeling and honestly im happy to see it in coach beast!
To be honest - when folks say glee “celebrated” LGBTQIA’s they really only promoted the stereotypes of the lbgt folks. And that’s seen in the flip flopping of the issues shown - as pontes out in the top 10 here. I learned nothing about lbgt all I saw was sadly what I’d always seen when it came to portrayals of the community
Glee touched on many issues but there was never any follow thru Or consequences. Glee has not aged well imo
How about bullying? While they occasionally had one or two good moments dealing with bullying, as a whole any bullying moments in the show is usually treated for laughs and no big deal. Santana is worse for being a bully yet never really faces any real backlash from her bullying or consequences past a brief apology that's usually forgotten by the next episode. In fact the only reason Finn outed her was because she was just constantly, insistently harassing him in a really vile way that would have made many other people stop going to school in order to avoid it. (Not excusing his outing her by the way, just noting that the bullying in the show was never really treated like a serious issue that could effect kids long after they leave school.)
the biphobia throughout the entire show (particularly from Kurt, Santana and Dani) was actually SO disappointing, especially for a show that claimed to be so inclusive of lgbtq+ people!!!!!! it was clear the writers were just biphobic in general and took it out on characters who realistically would never be biphobic (like really, kurt??? the character who was always talking about being yourself and accepting others??? that was SO out of character for him)
Ngl Glee really messed up looking at it now, it's humiliating to see how wrong they were about a lot of topics
Marley was not suspended for not wearing the bikini, she was suspended for not doing the assignment and wearing a GaGa outfit. Plus, she went against her whole team. Should she have been suspended, NO, but stop lying about WHY she was suspended.
I'm rewatching Glee right now, and she's not my favorite character but they did Quinn SO dirty. Not only did she had to give up her baby (while it was the right thing to do, it still took its toll on her), they also never adressed how she was kicked out by her parents. Sure her mom ends up coming around... but only because the dad cheated? What if he hadn't? And speaking of the dad, we never hear about him again. No apology, nothing.
Being abandoned and shunned by those who were supposed to love her the most clearly took a toll on her, but it's never adressed. Everyone just outright ignore her cries for help (first part of season 3 is basically a giant one) because... she seems to hold it together? Because she's pretty and popular? Quinn should have been in therapy since the moment she found out she was pregnant, but everyone left her struggling on her own.
She was a mean girl when she was pregnant and she left it under wraps like we don't even want to talk about how she lied the kid belonged to Finn because Quinn can do no wrong?
I actually kinda pitty Quinn and she’s not innocent either but I really hated how they made her & puck together, not healthy and trappy, This series is really problematic
Finn didnt "out" Santana, and he didnt deserve to be assaulted by her. He wasnt wrong in what he said.
Firstly season 4 was trash and had so many plot holes and was straight up stupid with so many plots and characters.
Secondly, I know that Finn outing santana was wrong but come on you guys totally ignored what Santana did to warrant such a thing she straight up insulted Finn's future and fed on his insecurities that was straight up wicked and if it was real life it might have led to some consequences, making it all about Santana just because it has to deal with the LGBTQ doesn't mean that it's more important we also have they're also important issues in the world and you can see that he was hurt because Finn wasn't the kind of guy to just say awful things to you for fun. Let's call a spade a spade.
The outing of Santana by Finn and the handling of Brittney’s learning disability were both pretty horrific.
Also Mr. Shuester was a fucking creep. I thought it at the time and I still think it today. He was fucking creepy with more than one female student, and putting the weed in Finn’s locker was played as funny, but it was not. He was no better than that Sandy guy who was openly played as a predator like that was some kind of joke. Sofa king gross, all of it.
Finn outing Santan was dick move, but she wasn't innocent in this either. She was making back handed comments not only to him but to Rory as well, after Mercedes & Shelby told her that was enough after the Dodgeball game. Finn was in wrong for what he did, but so was Santana.
@@omarcogle1965 making a few rude comments is nowhere in the same level as outing someone who’s in the closet and then gaslighting the situation by saying “everyone already knew, so who cares”. Especially considering that Santana’s abuela, someone she loved dearly disowned her for it.
@@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb It was still bullying regardless on her part, and it was more than just a few rude comments. As I said, Finn outing her was still a dick move, but that still didn't excuse her to make back handed comments about Finn's weight and telling Rory to ship himself back to Scotland, even though he's Irish. I know her Abuela's old school, and it was messed up that she disowned Santana until 3 Seasons later, when Brittany tried to be the Olive Branch.
Ryan Murphy clearly doesn’t believe in bisexuals. They’re also portrayed horribly in AHS.
The way they casually handled Kurt’s bully (who’s name I can’t remember) suicide attempt. As someone whose been down that road and witness the horrors of it, makes me want to strangle the writers. Quinn’s dismissal of it was the deciding factor that I hated her. No one knows what it takes to drive someone to that point in there life, only that they must go through something so terrible to view death as an answer. It was an embarrassment of a plot line.
Dave Karofsky
Yes! Absolutely. Also how easily they brushed aside the fact that Karofsky had assaulted Kurt on numerous occasions and made very real death threats--serious enough to force Kurt to switch schools. Yet after he came out, Blaine starts dating him? What??
@@khendralibbey617 THANK YOU!
I never understood the drama around Santana coming out. She openly and proudly flirted with Brittney all of season 1 - that was basically her whole character back then. Even when she was with guys she was making out with Brittany in front of them. So why is she ashamed all of a sudden?
Finn was totally wrong to out Santana, but Santana actually made him, when she callously insulted his weight. Tact is extremely important. If you don't have it, you can push someone to "that point." I know, when l taught my boss a lesson on why tactlessness and condescension is wrong. She once questioned me for putting black linens on the tables for the wedding reception instead of white, the correct/usual color (but in my defense, we usually put on black linens for *any* event, and I don't even generally set the reception linens). Oh, and she was upset I had signed up for a one-person shift. I'll admit, I am much better with a helping hand and guide, but come on, that's no excuse for being insensitive. One of our student leader's responsibilities is organizing who works which shifts on the schedule, and my boss scolded him for not noticing I had signed up for a one-person shift. When she asked him if she thought I could do the shift, I answered for him with a firm "yes," because I felt belittled by her. She said she didn't think so, was all "I've told you not to sign up for shifts by yourself, I've been very clear about that, I don't know how much clearer I can get for you to listen" (something like, that, so I'm not perfectly quoting her), and she told me I need someone there to give me instructions and guide me. I regretfully didn't stand up for myself because I was too intimidated
But feeling resentfully brave and determined _this_ time, I decided to do what she did to me back to her. My college's disability services was hosting a program to educate and prepare disabled high schoolers who were considering enrolling here. We caterers were serving the food, and every time I saw my boss talking to a high schooler (who wasn't physically disabled), I would immediately go over there and either *a.* tell my boss she's needed somewhere or there's been a situation, or *b,* offer _my_ help to the kid. My boss eventually concluded that I was deliberately trying to keep her away from the disabled students, and she insisted I tell her what was going on. I acted like I had no choice and "admitted" I was trying to prevent her from potentially saying anything offensive to the learning-disabled kids. I acted like I was trying to protect them because I wasn't sure she would be 100% respectful; that I worried she might say something condescending, even if unintentionally. When she expressed her offense at such a judgmental, faithless perspective, I reminded her what she said about me when I signed up for the said one-person shift, and how _that_ was a motive to prevent anything similar happening to the other disabled learners.
Hey Msmojo can you make a Top 10 Things we want to see in The Phineas and Ferb Revival list.
I hated the shooting episode- it came out of nowhere and was completely pointless
the Coach Beiste situation is one of the worst representations of trans people in a show that tried to portray it as positive. It completely destroyed the character and made no sense narratively. While Unique was more accurate to how things would have been (even closely matching my own high school experience) i think if they wanted to change Beast's character, it would have been better to reveal her to be a butch lesbian
That would have made much more sense, especially since the actress actaully is a butch lesbian.
Nah,it wouldn't have made any sense of her turning into a lesbian overnight,it will reenforce a stereotype that sexuality is chosen especially from a young kid like me growing up in Nigeria
@@jeffersonhassan4558 well actually many women and men her age realize they’re gay.
@@BlackRoyalty-hh8tb yes they do but it would tell a wrong message especially at the time the series was made
The song choices Will use's to sing to Rachel were inappropriate as well.
Don't stand so close to me. Is about a teacher who thinks his student is good looking and shouldn't stand so close to him.
The song Young Girl, Young Girl get outta my mind, my love for you is way outta line, you better run girl, you're much too young girl.
WTF
Kudos for managing to reduce the list to only 10
Ryder was a good character and he actually got treated bad in the show but he should of been in season 6 even tho season 6 wasn't the best season
All the times.
I don't agree that the character having the right reaction and making the right conclusions in the end shows if the subject was handled poorly or not. This is a reality that gay guys can be biphobic or that there is transphobia or that some teenagers woud high five you if you had a Ryders experience. And most of the time these people will not be enlighted at the end of the day, they will still think the same. Showing that every time a person admits they were wrong about some subject is just not true. I think it is better to show the reality of things and viewers will judge some of the individual behaviors, showing everyone as saint who always knows better in the end is not realistic.
I think Rachel sending Sunshine to the drug house and not getting in trouble for it could have been on the list
It’s kind of hard to get behind this list and the reasons situations are on it. It’s not an instructional manual on how to live your life “right” and be “woke.” It depicts actual situations. The viewer can take what they want from this. I’ve seen all of the LGBT related items on the list played out in real life exactly as depicted. And that’s all it is…. Depictions. I could be wrong, but it sounds like this script was written by a heterosexual trying to be an ally. And kudos for that but ….
The thing with outing Santana is Santana is a bully- we love her, I love her, but she is. She viciously tears down the people around her, people who typically have done nothing to her. So what happened to her was simply the consequences of her actions, built up karma for being so awful to people. Was it really heartbreaking to watch? Absolutely. It’s also what happens when you keep turning up the heat- eventually the pressure builds and then explodes. That’s also why she forgave him, because she understood this was on her too. He only crossed a line because she kept pushing until he did.
What about when blaine was drunk and forced himself on kurt when he was saying stop.
It was really terrible, and he didn't even apologize for it, and he even got mad at Kurt for stopping him. And people said that cheating was out of his character when he did really bad things.
i use to love glee but gosh it is soooo like controversial now like omg wich writer wrote the plot about puck and shelby gross and if you arent aware the actor who played puck was an actual predetor irl and so the storyline with shelby is disturbing even more than it already was. also the biphobia is horibleeee
The only person who apologized to Santana about the outing was Sue and tbh she didn’t even do anything like Finn or the dad who made the campaign
i love Unique shes like a trans version of mercadez which i love 😊
1:22 I’d agree that this episode was very disrespectful toward Britney Spears.
#3 easily made me hate Kurt not because he’s gay, but rather because he’s insulting a group from the community he’s a part of. Same goes for what Santana said to Dani about how she’s glad she didn’t have to fight over men with her like with Brittany. #6 was a mixed moment for me because it was bad enough that Santana would constantly make Finn feel insecure about his body image, but it didn’t mean I liked that he outed her. They were both in the wrong.
Some of this was accurate to how people acted though? For example, yes, it was terrible for Finn to out Santana...but do you really think a high schooler wouldn't do that just because it's a terrible thing to do? Is Kurt's biphobia awful? Yeah, but it's also pretty common amongst gay men. If everyone was just a good person all the time, the show wouldn't be better.
It's not about the accuracy or realism, more so about the consequences. Yeah, Finn outing Santana and Kurt being biphobic is something that could happen. The problem is the consequences : Santana forgives Finn wayyy too quickly, given the consequences his actions has on her. Basically, the show is saying "yeah, he was wrong, but look, everyone already knew and Santana is better off without that mean abuela anyway", which is pretty terrible to do, like one "has" to come out. The whole situation made her very unsafe, as a minor living in a Catholic household (of course the show portrayed her parents as understanding, but Finn's outing might have kicked her out of her house). He should have taken more accountability than that.
Blaine's plotline proves Kurt point right, which is quite terrible, like the show is saying "yeah, it was actually a phase". A brave thing to do would have been for Blaine to actually be bi, and for Kurt to gradually accept it, even though they end up together at the end.
@@matariki9818 The Blaine being bi plotline could have been damaging either way. Blaine was introduced as the confident gay role model that Kurt looked up to. Having him believe he is homosexual and then have him kiss Rachel and question his sexuality could be used to portray that gay men are only gay until they meet the right girl. If Blaine was bi and chose Rachel it would also be harmful to Kurt's storyline about there being hope for being in a relationship, having the only 'gay' person he knew pick a girl over him. I do think there should have been more prominent bi characters but in that instance it may have done more harm than good.
@@crystalxvu Blaine choosing Rachel would have been harmful indeed, but a story where Blaine questions his sexuality, realizes he's bi, but that it does not change his feelings for Kurt and still dates him could have been good. So far, in media, there was no instance of a bisexual teenage boy, and bringing it (well) to the table, as well as the issue of biphobia within gay men, would have been a huge thing.
Or make Blaine fully gay and briefly questioning like in this instance, but without the whole biphobic thing. My issue with this episode is that it essentially validates Kurt's toxic point of view : the subject should have been more carefully treated. I'm pretty sure many bi boys watched Glee and the whole "bi does not exist" would have been really harmful to them.
Excellent point. I think people forget that they were in high school. Sadly, people often act terrible in HS. Not an excuse just saying
@@crystalxvu Also ew, Rachel. Blaine could do better.
And if you ask me Shuester didn't do enough of a job of shutting down Sam and Artie acting like Ryder being molested was cool.
I've never been able to forgive him for suspending Marley from the club for a week just because she wasn't comfortable in the Gaga outfit - he shamed both Gaga and Perry with his actions and he knows that Marley had an eating disorder.
Guys please don’t watch the documentary airing on id tommorow night it’s coasting on the tragedy’s of Cory naya and yes mark it’s not ok and they shouldn’t be airing it anyway
I totally agree with you
I HATED the gun violence episode. The students speaking in FULL VOICE and being all dramatic making final videos; disobeying lockdown protocol. The fact the whole thing was an accident made all the ridiculous handling of the classroom worse.
Only 10!?!? This series is over-filled with poorly handled social commentary, terrible writing and ghosted character arcs. It used to be a clever take on the genre, mostly in its first season, then it was turned into a parody of itself. Just awful!!!
You are so right. The first 13 episodes still hold up well enough and are some of the funniest things I've ever watched. Post season 1 turned into Degrassi with singing.
what about the dyslexia thing with Sam and Ryder
Something that always confused me was that Marley’s costumes were just getting smaller and smaller and nobody noticed??? And Marley is pretty skinny too, so they must’ve been really small
Glee has a tendency to approach issues with the mentality “it’s a serious accept for when it’s not”, and the Britney Spears 2.0 episode is a sign of that. Season 2 and we loved Britney and did a cameo, now we’re making fun of one of her lowest public moments? In a tribute episode no less?
Don't know why I thought racism/ racist stereotypes would be included...
Glee was as flawed as it’s characters and storyline’s, you can pick everything apart but at the end of the day this list is quite good. The only episode that was handled well was the tribute to Finn/Cory. Can’t watch it anymore cause I get to emotional, the grief was real. The way each of them mourned tears at your heart, what truly broke me was Lea singing Make you feel my Love and Will stealing Finn’s jacket, Santana breaking down and screaming from the room is right up there too.
There are actually times when I feel like I need a good cry and I will watch the quarterback
When Glee is known for this rather than singing
The Puck-Kitty relatoionship was also superrr weird
To be honest I'm okay with the representation in Glee. Because you don't just magically transform from one thing to another. It takes time. It takes effort. It starts with baby steps not with masterstroke. Also considering so many topics they have covered, its understandable how they have handled soms things not upto par according to current social norm. Sure it has issues but considering the time when it was shot and aired, it was revolutionary. It was a not a documentary, it was a fictional show that does social commentaries with what ifs.
I’m not gonna lie, I think it’s ridiculous to paint Finn in a bad light because of the Santana situation. He didn’t mean for her sexuality to become a shaming tactic in a politician race that wasn’t his intention. He was bullied over and over by Santana, she talked down on his entire appearance and personality and when he fights back he’s the bad guy? Because it’s about her being gay ? But her bullying Finn for his weight was ok? On top of the fact that she’s not one to keep a secret either, exposing that her a Finn slept together while he was dating Rachel.
It seems like the only thing treated seriously is homphobia. Ryan Murphy thinks the worst issues have to do with being gay (with a side of biphobia).
Glee in retrospect was a problematic show
the fact that kitty didn’t get in ANY trouble for the stuff she pulled GRINDS MY GEARS
Sometimes, I feel like the writers for Ms. MOJO don't really put effort into researching. Let me tell you, as a former teen mom, I didn't miss a day of school until I went into labor. Also if you had done any reading about pregnancy would would know that women who are physically active before and during pregnancy are usually able to maintain that activity. Example fitness influencer Abby Pollock was still going to the gym almost every day during her pregnancy. A healthy pregnancy even in your terns doesn't complete immobilize you.
I disliked Beist’s transition because I liked having a straight female who didn’t look or act feminine and did masculine things. Beist was upset because she wanted to be seen as a WOMAN