@@nk73wrong thread for you, bud. You shouldnt be posting unrelated comments to original post just because it has more likes and is pinned, in the hopes people will see your comment.
@shankrl1 Vlad is the OG in top level chess cheating. 2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet. So it is VERY clear. Start the procedure.
@@shankrl1 On the contrary, it is because Kramnik is the famous toiletgate guy and he is the trailblazing pioneer. Thus he is doing his best to appear to be holier-than-thou to deflect attention from himself.
I asked Kramnik to analyse someone 288 rating points lower who beats you in 19 moves, with the move Bf5, particularly after you played a strong opening with black equalising and even getting a tiny advantage by move 7, in a paid event. He said it's interesting, should be looked into and would be reported.
I remember when Kramnik, in 2000, took the world chess championship from Kasparov. There was an account by Kasparov's driver that he was going apeth in the car, kicking the sides, he was so frustrated, he could not find a way to beat him.
2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet.
@@jayr.3720 yes, i guess he is more happy do unlock the "Lets do the procedure" achievement than actually winning. lmao Magnum Calcium is going to be the troll those dusty grandmaster vibes away ;)
@@carlcox7976 2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet. wanna keep defending kramnik?
There was a point in that game where Karpov could have played the Bxh7+ sac and possibly gained an advantage, but when he was asked about that possibility, Miles replied, "Karpov does not play such moves"
magnus does this a lot. he plays an inferior opening to get an "interesting" game, and MOSTLY (almost always), his opponent flubs the continuation. but sometimes, the bear eats you. on the other hand, magnus would not consider this a serious event.
I also had this hypothesis but am not "pretty sure" at all, just a speculative thought. What triggered me was after meeting up with Hans Nieman (who I don't think has ever cheated OTB, but he has online), Kramnik and HN both won TT on the same day. "Very interesting" (but it could well be a simple coincidence). Just a thought. btw at top level chess you don't need to cheat on every move, just one or two moves a game, typically at the end when there's time trouble and people blunder. The traditional cheating detected by experts is of the blatant kind where players cheat on every move. But cheating just when in time trouble is for all intents and purposes not detectable unless you make certain Bayesian assumptions that may not be universally valid (no time to get into it here).
However, this is not cheating because this is for an experiment! Also, nobody is being harmed because it is completely obvious that GM Kramnik is performing an experiment, and therefore nobody should be offended by the fact that they actually played Stockfish.
After Kramnik makes a good move, he compliments himself with "phew...... vot a move....." hehehehhe Then after that stunning fork he was certainly convinced he had to have used an engine even though he couldn't remember using one so ... he had to do the procedure!
It would be so hilarious if it was discovered that kramnik used an engine. Only problem, this is one of those times where even an average club player could spot the bishop deflection. However like an idiot I spotted the bishop deflection and the King and rook fork completely overlooking the pinned pawn and the queen fork
2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet.
Miles beat Karpov with the St. George’s defence to be on the first English player to beat the reigning world champion. Before that Johnathon Penrose had a draw against either Botvinik or Tal, when they were champ. Wookie 1 fantastic.Thanks James.
When Magnus accuses Hans Niemann without any evidence everything is good, but if Kramnik asks questions? He has gone insane. Like cheating isn't a huge problem in online chess. You people can't think for youselves.
For the future - Boomerang Pawn structure - is now called Banana Prawn Banana prawns are a large, translucent to yellow prawn with tiny reddish-brown spots that are found in the tropical and subtropical coastal waters of northern Australia. You're welcome.
why didn't Magnus push pawn to E6 instead of Queen takes bishop giving a fork? I'm super noob 500 rating, so its probably a terrible idea a few moves down the line, but his move was instant fatality.
You're right with your 500. e6 is the better move. After; 1. Bf5, e6 {And now we just take on e6 opening the e-file} 2. Nxe6, {With the tremendous threat of Nec7++ Double check. Winning the Queen. So, you have to take.} Bxe6 3. Bxe6, Qe7 {Trying to pin the bishop on e6, but now we get} 4. Bd7+, Kxd7 5. Rxe7+ {winning the Queen} But in the game it just cost a bishop to win the queen and in the e6 variation it cost a Knight and a Rook. Ow, and checking with the engine it gives 3..., Qd8! {instead of my silly Qe7. But then we have} 4. Bxd5+, {Winning a pawn} Be7 5. Bxc6+, bxc6 6. Nd4, {With the threat of taking on c6 or even better forking the Queen and Rook on e6 after} 0-0 7. Ne6 Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that you open the e-file for the rook on e1 with all kinds of discovery attacks on the King. As long as you understand you can just take on e6.
I'm just here on a Kramnik movie marathon because he just got banned from Cheating Tuesday till June 2025. RIP Implier, he's gonna come back even procedurer.
Can you please post more prawn content? A dedicated prawn masterclass, focusing on things like poisoned prawns, prawn chains, hanging prawns, and the technique that no channel has dared to talk about: promotion to King prawn.
No matter how good you are if you play 1...a6 you are reducing your probability of winning. 2...c6 is taking mysterious too far even a class player such as myself can see that.
Now, Kramnik is going to calculate his performance vs Carlsen in Cheating Tuesdays games and conclude it's according to ratings expectation. That's good for Magnus: he's not in the Procedure danger anymore!
"It is a well known fact that in any brain-based game, either I win because I am smarter than you, or you win because you got lucky and/or cheated." /Sun Tzu
Honestly. Before that Bishop move I paused to find it. I saw the bishop move and if you don't take the moves solid but it's not strong enough to resign.
In all seriousness; Carlsen often gets credited with developing the London into a proper opening, but he just popularized it. It was Kramnik who did. Great champion still capable of this at his age. Just makes it all that much sadder what hes doing to his legacy. Really hope to have this nonsense resolved, apologies issued so he can go back to just being a great champ the chess world can be proud of. PS. You or whoever did the "block, block, block, this is first what I do" on beat deserves a round of applause. @Epic Chess: If it was you, the world deserves Kramnikwave.
Ouch. Well, it happens to the best of us. Maybe Qd7 was a mouse slip and Magnus meant d8? I'd like to see him play 1...a6 every time against Kramnik. Why start respecting him now?
Enjoyed this commentary immensely! Thank you Epic cheese! Carlgnus made multiple mistakes early, but let’s give it to the chess policeman, Kramnik deserves it! …and what a move, pffff, doing the procedure on himself, respect that integrity! 😂
Genius lol. Kramnik saying what a move about one of his moves. Like he surprised himself how good he is. Lmao. Apparently no one understands. I'm saying epic chess is a genius for adding the what a move clip which makes it look like Kramnik is surprised and impressed by his winning move
Plot twist: when the contents of the Kramnik scrolls are finally examined closely, it turns out that Kramnik merely wrote his own name down over and over, for many thousands of lines.
Help me here, I'm only 1200 elo.. What if Magnus played Qb4 at 4:45 ? He would be attacking the black Queen as well as the knight on f4, effectively forcing an exchange in a bad position?
What's also hilarious is: IMAGINE being Magnus & losing to Vlad-the-Walking CryCheat-Controversy who could probably do with some Antipsychotic Chill pills 😅
Despite efforts of some popular streamers (e.g. Hikaru), many haven't actually bought into the Kramnik hate bandwagon. He retains a lot of fans, and *some* of his accusations are actually being taken very seriously.
@@robinhoodwinker8621 True, and recall Kramnik was shaped by the Toiletgate Topalov scandal which was "very interesting' especially when Topalov, of course a strong player, started making a series of seemingly uncharacteristic "Tal-like" moves especially when his coach was in the playing hall. Once bitten twice shy, tho I don't know if Topalov actually cheated rather than just making uncharacteristically good moves for a while.
Using Kramnik's logic -- the only possible answer is that Kramnik cheated...
can we stop with making fun of peoples names Epic Chess? Its not funny anymore.
100%
@@nk73 Mushrooms 🍄
@@nk73wrong thread for you, bud. You shouldnt be posting unrelated comments to original post just because it has more likes and is pinned, in the hopes people will see your comment.
@@nk73 I consider it immature. He is trying too hard to be creative.
Kramnik was so impressed with Carlsens performance that he forgot to report him.
I had to delete my comment because everyone was thinking the same thing 🤣
Kramnik's eyes are looking at more than one direction. It is clear what this means. Let's do the procedure.
Do you think Vlad thinks everyone cheats so much that he just started cheating too?
@shankrl1 Vlad is the OG in top level chess cheating. 2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet. So it is VERY clear. Start the procedure.
@@shankrl1 On the contrary, it is because Kramnik is the famous toiletgate guy and he is the trailblazing pioneer. Thus he is doing his best to appear to be holier-than-thou to deflect attention from himself.
Still trying to figure out if magnus' hair is a national treasure, or a threat to national security.
Why not both
@@stevenstudler5507 It’s a top tourist destination like a World’s Fair, except “Hair”
Oh man, getting Kramnik to Vaht A Move himself is comedy gold. Well played.
We start the procedure.😉
Magnus lost on purpose to escape Vlad the implier.
This is actually a good one!
I asked Kramnik to analyse someone 288 rating points lower who beats you in 19 moves, with the move Bf5, particularly after you played a strong opening with black equalising and even getting a tiny advantage by move 7, in a paid event. He said it's interesting, should be looked into and would be reported.
Kramnik: If ya can't beat em, join em
😂
Magnus: Everything is clear to me. I block and report
There's no way a former World Champion looses in a random Blitz game. Everything is clear, yeah
@@howard5992hence the result must be a draw. Neither can lose
loses*
If Kramnik would just play his best chess he’d get all the respect he craves, such a pity really.
I remember when Kramnik, in 2000, took the world chess championship from Kasparov. There was an account by Kasparov's driver that he was going apeth in the car, kicking the sides, he was so frustrated, he could not find a way to beat him.
That's the contradictory predicament of human existence; the more you crave something, the less likely you are to get it.
He did he was world champion and played his best chest for years when you're retired you don't need to keep playing😂
2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet.
@@anomaly3215 I did not know this. One would have though the toilet would have been thoroughly inspected before hand.
Can’t remember too many games where Magnus was crushed like that. Great game by Vlad.
By Stockfish, you mean?
@@ShilTild
Yeah, comfort yourself.
Vlagnus Krarlsen vs Madimir Camnik
Magnus probably drunk lol
drunk magnus is pretty powerful
I think he's bored/doesn't care/would rather disrespect Kram than win, winning would've been a bonus
@@jayr.3720 yes, i guess he is more happy do unlock the "Lets do the procedure" achievement than actually winning. lmao
Magnum Calcium is going to be the troll those dusty grandmaster vibes away ;)
Simp some more 😂😂😂
@@carlcox7976 2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet. wanna keep defending kramnik?
This opening was used to beat Karpov. That is TONY MILES and the opening is the St George./... he used it to slay Karpov the Dragon
Karpov the dragon I like that haha
There was a point in that game where Karpov could have played the Bxh7+ sac and possibly gained an advantage, but when he was asked about that possibility, Miles replied, "Karpov does not play such moves"
@@dash_r_media sounds like BS to me, he clearly just missed how good it was and didn't want to admit that he missed an idea
@@anomaly3215 Oh, that's probably the case. But there is something to it. Karpov was a strong tactician, but he wasn't fond of speculative sacrifices.
True, and Miles wasn't playing it to disrespect Karpov, just to avoid his famous opening prep. Miles was also England's first official Grandmaster.
Alas, Magnetic Circuitson got short-circuited
Kramnik now affectionately called Kramya as Danya is to Daniel.
😁
Casually destroys Magnus, then trashes the final game of the world championship.
Worthy villain of the chess world.
magnus does this a lot. he plays an inferior opening to get an "interesting" game, and MOSTLY (almost always), his opponent flubs the continuation.
but sometimes, the bear eats you.
on the other hand, magnus would not consider this a serious event.
quality of game looks like a round 2 or 3 of an open tournament
I swear, I never thought so much laughing was possible in a TH-cam video 😂😂
Haha glad you enjoyed thanks for watching
0:56 Such rumors violate the rules of cheese club 🧀 🥊
Phoo what a move..
"Vaht a move"
I wouldn't have even thought of that move.. very interesting
Im pretty sure he is using an engine in order to prove his point of view.
100% I believe this
@@shankrl1 One of the best ever maybe you are incorrect?
I also had this hypothesis but am not "pretty sure" at all, just a speculative thought. What triggered me was after meeting up with Hans Nieman (who I don't think has ever cheated OTB, but he has online), Kramnik and HN both won TT on the same day. "Very interesting" (but it could well be a simple coincidence). Just a thought. btw at top level chess you don't need to cheat on every move, just one or two moves a game, typically at the end when there's time trouble and people blunder. The traditional cheating detected by experts is of the blatant kind where players cheat on every move. But cheating just when in time trouble is for all intents and purposes not detectable unless you make certain Bayesian assumptions that may not be universally valid (no time to get into it here).
500 elos suspect the engine moves hahaha. All the moves were pretty natural, just a pretty poor preformance by Magnus
However, this is not cheating because this is for an experiment! Also, nobody is being harmed because it is completely obvious that GM Kramnik is performing an experiment, and therefore nobody should be offended by the fact that they actually played Stockfish.
After Kramnik makes a good move, he compliments himself with "phew...... vot a move....." hehehehhe Then after that stunning fork he was certainly convinced he had to have used an engine even though he couldn't remember using one so ... he had to do the procedure!
🤣
Tony Miles beat Karpov in 1980 with the St. George Defence.
It would be so hilarious if it was discovered that kramnik used an engine. Only problem, this is one of those times where even an average club player could spot the bishop deflection. However like an idiot I spotted the bishop deflection and the King and rook fork completely overlooking the pinned pawn and the queen fork
2006 world championship vs Topalov. Kramnik was seen to be going to toilet more than a dozen times each game. Cables were found in the toilet. Kramnik never provided medical proof that he was required to go to toilet that often. The last time someone went to toilet that often is Kirill Shevchenko - he was caught cheating in the toilet.
Magnus was probably on 20 pints of beer 😂 😂.
I've decided that for the most entertainment, Kramnik must win the next world championship.
Maximum content will be achieved.
*Maximum Contentalson will achieve
I doubt VK has the incentive to go for the WCC again.
@@dannygjk Definitely not but it's the storyline we all want and deserve
Only one explanation: Hans lent Kramnik his beads.
Or....Hans is under the desk ;).
Or Magnus played like he did when Hans beat him OTB with the black pieces. But but but... THEM THERE BEADS!!!
Gukesh lucky ❌️ not give up attitude ✅️🙌
There's life in the old dog yet, lol
The old dog got the implants!
Miles beat Karpov with the St. George’s defence to be on the first English player to beat the reigning world champion. Before that Johnathon Penrose had a draw against either Botvinik or Tal, when they were champ. Wookie 1 fantastic.Thanks James.
Wasn't that a win against Tal in Benoni, Penrose attack?
@ I don’t think so before Miles beat Karpov that draw was the best result, George Thomas also came close once about a century ago.
@@joseraulcapablanca8564 I found the game that I mentioned. Penrose - Tal, Leipzig Olympiad, 1960. Tal was the champ at that time.
@ yes i just checked I was mistaken, thanks for letting me know.
Thanks for another great video and not overdoing it with the comedy, there isn't a better chess channel.
Thanks for the high praise appreciate it!
When Magnus accuses Hans Niemann without any evidence everything is good, but if Kramnik asks questions? He has gone insane. Like cheating isn't a huge problem in online chess. You people can't think for youselves.
Yes, that one move, made it so obvious... to me!
Vlad had no choice but to do "the procedure"!
Bf5!! Nice tactical play from Kramnik .Magnus just got out Magnused . Very Clever Kramnik . thanks James
Actually tactics is not one of Carlsens strong points.
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why didn't Magnus push pawn to E6 instead of Queen takes bishop giving a fork? I'm super noob 500 rating, so its probably a terrible idea a few moves down the line, but his move was instant fatality.
yeah probably should have done to survive longer though then you're opening your king to the rooks line so not even threatening to take due to the pin
Loses a pawn and deeply weakens the king
You're right with your 500. e6 is the better move.
After;
1. Bf5, e6 {And now we just take on e6 opening the e-file}
2. Nxe6, {With the tremendous threat of Nec7++ Double check. Winning the Queen. So, you have to take.} Bxe6
3. Bxe6, Qe7 {Trying to pin the bishop on e6, but now we get}
4. Bd7+, Kxd7
5. Rxe7+ {winning the Queen}
But in the game it just cost a bishop to win the queen and in the e6 variation it cost a Knight and a Rook.
Ow, and checking with the engine it gives
3..., Qd8! {instead of my silly Qe7. But then we have}
4. Bxd5+, {Winning a pawn} Be7
5. Bxc6+, bxc6
6. Nd4, {With the threat of taking on c6 or even better forking the Queen and Rook on e6 after} 0-0
7. Ne6
Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that you open the e-file for the rook on e1 with all kinds of discovery attacks on the King. As long as you understand you can just take on e6.
Amazing analysis 😁🎉
Magnus needs to initiate the procedure!
This might be the best first 10 seconds of a video I’ve ever seen 💀
🤣🤣
Vlad literally implied Cagnus. Moral of the story is, never disrespect the BIG BAD VLAD😏
that thing of 'Magnus' riding the English horse... haunting my dreams, man! 🙂 6:23
Please cover the next e4 a6 game, because Magnus will absolutely play it again I'm sure of that.
VERY INTERESTING
Carlsen finds an opening worse than the Cow.
is the fischer quote: "best by test" too familiar to everyone?
I'm just here on a Kramnik movie marathon because he just got banned from Cheating Tuesday till June 2025. RIP Implier, he's gonna come back even procedurer.
Block, block, block. Boris is getting about.
Can you please post more prawn content? A dedicated prawn masterclass, focusing on things like poisoned prawns, prawn chains, hanging prawns, and the technique that no channel has dared to talk about: promotion to King prawn.
Hahaha I’ll bear in mind thanks
Karpov-Miles on BBC television
No matter how good you are if you play 1...a6 you are reducing your probability of winning. 2...c6 is taking mysterious too far even a class player such as myself can see that.
Now, Kramnik is going to calculate his performance vs Carlsen in Cheating Tuesdays games and conclude it's according to ratings expectation. That's good for Magnus: he's not in the Procedure danger anymore!
that photo goes back a bit. pun intended.
Vlad the Implier, lol.
Mangus’s love sense must have run out of batteries.
Mango Carly vs Voldemort Krum
Trolling on twitter - this is first what I do
🤣
Tony Miles v Karpov where Tony played 1…a6
begin the procedure
I’d buy an Epic Cheese t-shirt that says “Deez Knights”
But you might get copyright stricken by Hikaru? ;)
BBC
Cagnus: Son of Mal. Perfect!
This video is a masterpiece of subtle chess comedy. The best I have seen in a long time. Maybe ever?
We need a new meme: random GMs' Virgin Noobcedure vs Kramnik's ULTRA CHAD Procedure!
Epic Chess always a great video best chess youtuber
Vlad the Implier
A glitch in the Magnus?
Kramnik HAS been hanging out with Hans lately...
Listening to you speak is like you’re playing chess with my mind
"It is a well known fact that in any brain-based game, either I win because I am smarter than you, or you win because you got lucky and/or cheated." /Sun Tzu
Tony Miiles and Anatoli Karpov
Honestly. Before that Bishop move I paused to find it. I saw the bishop move and if you don't take the moves solid but it's not strong enough to resign.
In all seriousness; Carlsen often gets credited with developing the London into a proper opening, but he just popularized it. It was Kramnik who did. Great champion still capable of this at his age. Just makes it all that much sadder what hes doing to his legacy. Really hope to have this nonsense resolved, apologies issued so he can go back to just being a great champ the chess world can be proud of.
PS. You or whoever did the "block, block, block, this is first what I do" on beat deserves a round of applause. @Epic Chess: If it was you, the world deserves Kramnikwave.
Yeah I did I’ll have to do full song at some point ahha
is that Tony Miles?
yes
Ouch. Well, it happens to the best of us. Maybe Qd7 was a mouse slip and Magnus meant d8? I'd like to see him play 1...a6 every time against Kramnik. Why start respecting him now?
you are the funniest chess channel i've ever seen
Haha thanks
Karpov got his ass kicked because he tried too hard to avoid prep.
This must be the funniest chess commentary, love it!
Thanks a lot glad you enjoyed
Gonna call Kramnik out for his interesting play.
Enjoyed this commentary immensely! Thank you Epic cheese! Carlgnus made multiple mistakes early, but let’s give it to the chess policeman, Kramnik deserves it! …and what a move, pffff, doing the procedure on himself, respect that integrity! 😂
Glad to hear thanks for watching and yes!
Magnus played like an absolute idiot
Genius lol. Kramnik saying what a move about one of his moves. Like he surprised himself how good he is. Lmao. Apparently no one understands. I'm saying epic chess is a genius for adding the what a move clip which makes it look like Kramnik is surprised and impressed by his winning move
No he is talking about stockfish :p
Er...
@@daviddurbin7682 Kramnik is genius because he actually cheated but since he already accused everyone else of cheating, no one will suspect him.
Plot twist: when the contents of the Kramnik scrolls are finally examined closely, it turns out that Kramnik merely wrote his own name down over and over, for many thousands of lines.
Q-K fork ! my earliest chess memory
Yes, it's called a royal fork and when rook is also involved I believe it's a family fork.
No one messes with the Jesus!
Vlad the Implier - LMAO
Well, Magnus obviously wasn't playing serious there. And Kramnik rightly crushed him. But yeah, it wasn't boring anyways. 😉
Still lost tho
Help me here, I'm only 1200 elo..
What if Magnus played Qb4 at 4:45 ? He would be attacking the black Queen as well as the knight on f4, effectively forcing an exchange in a bad position?
There were defo lines with that, can’t remember if white then wins and exchange in those lines at some point forgot details sorry
Oh and threatening the rook for ez mate, so he would have been forced to trade, at least in my humble opinion 😂
Kramnik unlocked the rare double comment from redundant accounts
Lmao 😂 procedure executed perfectly
Swimming in the freezing water is not as much of a deal as you make it out to be. The only reason you're cold is because you don't.
Where were you looking Kramnik?
Based on the engine, both Kramnik and Carlsen played so many innacurate moves which made me convinced they both cheated...on themselves.
Magnus, Magnus, Magnus, Magnus, how can you troll the Big Stockfish and then hope to run away with your life? Silly, Silly Magnus!
Vlad the Implier made me giggle
Great job, Krammy the Implier!
What's also hilarious is: IMAGINE being Magnus & losing to Vlad-the-Walking CryCheat-Controversy who could probably do with some Antipsychotic Chill pills 😅
What is Kramnik's favorite tuesdays engine?
Cagnis son of marl 😂
If Kramnik keeps up that performance and throws some lighthearted banter in there he could win fans again.
Despite efforts of some popular streamers (e.g. Hikaru), many haven't actually bought into the Kramnik hate bandwagon. He retains a lot of fans, and *some* of his accusations are actually being taken very seriously.
@@robinhoodwinker8621 True, and recall Kramnik was shaped by the Toiletgate Topalov scandal which was "very interesting' especially when Topalov, of course a strong player, started making a series of seemingly uncharacteristic "Tal-like" moves especially when his coach was in the playing hall. Once bitten twice shy, tho I don't know if Topalov actually cheated rather than just making uncharacteristically good moves for a while.